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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome my favorite Murder. That's Georgia Hard Start,

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Speaker 1: that's Karen Kilgariff, And this is a podcast that's also

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Speaker 1: a video party. Don't I feel like we haven't done

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Speaker 2: Does it feel like that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels very foreign. You know what it was

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Speaker 3: because we flipped our record days, all right, so it

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Speaker 1: Which I hate because we talk about the super Bowl

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Speaker 1: now and how amazing bad Bunny was.

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Speaker 2: That happened fucking two weeks and people are.

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Speaker 1: Like, shut up, bad Buddy was amazing.

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Speaker 3: But then did we talk about the reaction videos from

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Speaker 3: the families who were watching the super Bowl and then

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Speaker 3: watching themselves be represented and recognizing all the references and

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Speaker 3: people who know Puerto Rico, And I mean, I have

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Speaker 3: been just sitting around my house watching families have big

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Speaker 3: emotional shared experiences and crying, staring.

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Speaker 2: At my phone.

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Speaker 3: It's amazing, It's so crazy. That thing was incredible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 1: It was moving, like, so beautiful and wonderful, especially because

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Speaker 1: there are people who just didn't like it based on

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Speaker 1: the fucking based on nothing, based on fear, Yeah, very

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Speaker 2: And hopefully this did something to fix that divide. I

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Speaker 3: Well, one hundred and sixty four million people watched it, yeah,

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Speaker 3: and we're into it, or at least watched it long

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Speaker 3: enough to be recorded. Yeah, So I think that's all

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Speaker 1: Of things, support it, all the things, dancing grass and

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Speaker 2: What's going on with you?

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Speaker 1: Just exactly what I told you me watching families have experiences? Well,

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Speaker 1: is I took Instagram off my phone because I was

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Speaker 1: getting just trigger upon trigger with the Epstein files shit,

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Speaker 1: Like I just needed to stop because you know, as

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Speaker 1: soon as I start clicking on it, that's all they

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Speaker 1: feed me. Yeah, so I'm getting fed and fed and

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Speaker 1: so now I took it off, but I'm just reading

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Speaker 1: Virginia Roberts Jeffree's memoir, yeah, which is you know, at

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Speaker 3: So you were reading it on social media and then

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Speaker 3: listening to a book about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah wow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's we got to measure out and meet out

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Speaker 3: our horrible realities, right and our and our unbelievable truths

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Speaker 3: that we're all now living through. Yeah, because I just

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Speaker 3: co hosted Brief Recess.

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Speaker 1: With Michael That's awesome.

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Speaker 3: On it, I was told for the first time, and

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you've already heard this, they're now

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Speaker 3: getting together the evidence that Kurt Cobain did not kill himself.

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Speaker 3: That was breaking on that show where I was like, sorry,

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Speaker 3: like he was telling me, was the evidence now, Well,

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Speaker 3: they want it to be looked at again because and

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Speaker 3: then they did, like point by point evidence that they have.

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Speaker 3: One of the things was that all of the caps

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Speaker 1: The word is that he odd with.

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Speaker 3: Three needles full of heroin and then shot himself, right,

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Speaker 3: and the caps were on those needles.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that doesn't really add up.

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Speaker 1: That all together.

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Speaker 3: I was just like, wait what And then that's just

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Speaker 1: My god, Okay, now I have to get back on it.

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Speaker 1: But I can't wait to hear more about that.

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Speaker 3: There's just so much to absorb and so.

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Speaker 1: And by the time this comes out, that could already

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Speaker 1: be that could already.

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Speaker 2: Be solved completely. Yes, So just bear with us, you guys.

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Speaker 1: We're we're a little bit behind on our uh break

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Speaker 1: And it's it's not behind on the uptake, it's slow

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Speaker 1: This week on I Said No Gifts, Bridger does his

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Speaker 3: Michael's joined by substitute co host Karen Kilgariff with a

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Speaker 1: the fun wee. Today's story is one most of us

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Speaker 1: are probably familiar with because it's been immortalized in a

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Speaker 1: Janet's right about that, Yeah, but the whole story actually

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Speaker 1: has several more twists and turns. This is the story

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Speaker 1: of a promising boxer who was wrongfully convicted twice or more,

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Speaker 1: one of the world's most prominent advocates for the wrongfully convicted.

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Speaker 1: As the Bob Dylan song goes, here comes the story

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Speaker 1: of the hurricane such a good movie, Such a good movie,

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Speaker 1: the story are Ruben Hurricane Carter's own autobiography, The Sixteenth Round,

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Speaker 1: He's born in nineteen thirty seven to Lloyd and Bertha

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Speaker 1: When Ruben's dad finds out about a petty theft that

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Speaker 1: Now, even though Reuben is flourishing in a lot of

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Speaker 3: I mean, also, it makes sense that he has problems

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Speaker 1: And they're not not racist. I mean, it's kind of

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Speaker 1: That's what happened, right, And actually it turned out that

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Speaker 1: for all the white people.

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00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:14,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

440
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:15,760
Speaker 3: Well, but I was going to say that seems like

441
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,720
Speaker 3: the cops like if Reuben was the kind of person

442
00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:22,480
Speaker 3: that's like any two will do, which it must have

443
00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,680
Speaker 3: felt amazing just to be able to say that, because

444
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,200
Speaker 3: it's absolutely the truth that they had to live under.

445
00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,880
Speaker 3: But then it's like, you can, I'm sure that there

446
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:35,400
Speaker 3: was some white sergeant somewhere that's like that guy needs

447
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:39,880
Speaker 3: to be taught a lesson, absolutely, And sergeant isn't the rank.

448
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 3: I don't I don't really know.

449
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 1: While in prison, Reuben refuses to wear his uniform most

450
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,160
Speaker 1: of the time, which means he can't leave his cell,

451
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,640
Speaker 1: and he forgoes most prison meals, heating up his own

452
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,959
Speaker 1: cans of soup on an electric coil. Basically, you know,

453
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,680
Speaker 1: it's his own way of fighting the system however he can,

454
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,760
Speaker 1: and avoiding that food that you know I was discussed,

455
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:01,400
Speaker 1: My god.

456
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:02,480
Speaker 2: Oh, my god.

457
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

458
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 1: He reads voraciously, especially books from the law library, and

459
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,359
Speaker 1: while Rubin refuses to acknowledge many of the realities of

460
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 1: prison life, like that uniform, he's also so respected by

461
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 1: his fellow inmates that he is able to keep peace

462
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:20,159
Speaker 1: in the prison on multiple occasions when things could have

463
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 1: turned violent, and in fact, one prison guard credits Ruben

464
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,120
Speaker 1: was saving his life.

465
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 2: Wow during a riot.

466
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:30,200
Speaker 1: Okay. In November of nineteen seventy four, from prison, Ruben,

467
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 1: now thirty seven years old, publishes his autobiography, The Sixteenth Round.

468
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 1: The book gets a lot of attention, and Bob Dylan

469
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,400
Speaker 1: reads it and visits Ruben in prison. God, you should

470
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 1: have heard me trying to sing that to Vince while

471
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 1: I was like trying to do you know that song?

472
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:49,920
Speaker 1: And I just kept singing fucking, terrible, terrible, stupid, fucking Yeah.

473
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 3: It is a really good song. Also, it just makes

474
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:53,920
Speaker 3: me want to stop everything. But it's going to take

475
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,879
Speaker 3: too long to tell the story. But I told you

476
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 3: the story of when I walked into the wall in

477
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,439
Speaker 3: the movie theater, right, because we came in like no,

478
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,160
Speaker 3: and it was the Bob Dylan movie.

479
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 1: Oh, so it's very dark, and it was.

480
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 3: Like the beginning where you see that visiting someone in

481
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 3: the hospital and you.

482
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:08,879
Speaker 2: Thought you were turning into the theater and you just

483
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 2: walked into a fucking one.

484
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 3: I thought that I was going to get to the

485
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 3: stairs on the other side and go down because I

486
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 3: couldn't find my cousins. Yeah, and there were no stairs

487
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 3: on the other side, so I just very slowly walked

488
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 3: into a.

489
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 1: Wall, a carpeted wall. But luckily Sophie was sitting in

490
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 1: the last seat, so she's like, what are you doing?

491
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 1: And I'm like, god, damn, I would have left.

492
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 2: I would have fucking left.

493
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 3: We laughed for the rest of the movie and there

494
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,719
Speaker 3: was all these like, of course, heavy things in it,

495
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,439
Speaker 3: and we could not stop laughing.

496
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 1: It was the dumbest Okay, sorry, no, it's good and

497
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,880
Speaker 1: we needed a little stuff stopover. Yeah, okay, So Bob

498
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 1: Dylan visits Ruben in prison and then he releases the

499
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 1: song Hurricane, which tells the story of what happened that night,

500
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 1: which charts in the top forty in nineteen seventy five.

501
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 1: Reuben and John's case gains widespread attention at this point,

502
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 1: and at that time there finally awarded a new trial.

503
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 1: So this is chiefly because Bellow and Bradley to witnesses quote,

504
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,919
Speaker 1: had recanted their statements. It had also been revealed that

505
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 1: the prosecution had promised to be lenient to each of

506
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: them on their own crimes they were committing in that

507
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 1: moment that night. Yeah, so they get the reward money

508
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: and they get leniency, you know. To raise money for

509
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 1: their defense, Bob Dylan headlines a concert at Madison Square

510
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:28,679
Speaker 1: Garden and then one at the Houston Astrodome. Jesus, I

511
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: know that's amazing. Yeah, we don't do that anymore. Remember

512
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 1: like all the fucking tribute concerts people would do, and the.

513
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 3: Like Farm Aid and Live Aid and USA for Africa,

514
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 3: those we need that. I think it's because our center

515
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 3: has completely exploded. So there's nobody outside of the bad

516
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 3: stuff to be like, here's how we're going to help.

517
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 3: Everyone's inside of it going like we don't know what

518
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 3: to do. Also, our media is completely state run at

519
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 3: this point. We don't know what's goinging on.

520
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 2: Wow. He just basically he said it all.

521
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,159
Speaker 1: I know what's going on, I don't know what to

522
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 1: do about it, right, And you could play the astrodome,

523
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: it's not there anymore.

524
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 2: So.

525
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: The new Jersey Supreme Court overturns Ruben and John sentences

526
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 1: based on the recantations, but the Passaic County prosecutor decides

527
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: they want to try the case again and goes back

528
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 1: to trial in nineteen seventy six. Ruben and John are

529
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,479
Speaker 1: out on bail for nine months in between that and

530
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: at the new trial, Bellow recants his recantation. Wow, but

531
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: Bradley doesn't. He's like, I swear it was a lie.

532
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 1: And so that means he's the prosecution's only witness placing

533
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: Ruben at the scene and for other people saying he wasn't.

534
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, this time.

535
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: The liar and the steelers, the one holding out exactly,

536
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 1: the one who can actually gain from this whole situation

537
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:55,880
Speaker 1: is your only witness.

538
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:57,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, this time.

539
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 1: The prosecution does offer a motive, saying the killer was

540
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: revenge for the prior shooting of a black bartender in town,

541
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 1: but there's no evidence to back this up. However, Ruben

542
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 1: and John are found guilty again.

543
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 3: No, I mean you're surprised. I guess I did see

544
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 3: the movie, but I didn't. It's just when you hear

545
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 3: about the details of these things where it's so thin

546
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 3: and it's so overt and it's such a scam.

547
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just heartbreaking.

548
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 2: It is a scamuck man, what do we do.

549
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 3: We'll work on it later. We have to do this podcast,

550
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 3: I know, man gotta burn. It's coming down anyway.

551
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 2: So, no, they're found guilty again.

552
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: Ruben's second child, a son, is born two days after

553
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: he's found guilty again.

554
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 3: See this is that heartbreak of like you're telling me,

555
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 3: this man has spent so much time in jail in

556
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 3: his life, and then he gets out for nine months

557
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 3: for the retrial and he gets that taste of real

558
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 3: life again.

559
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, like maybe this will work out.

560
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: Maybe, like I'm actually free, they saw their error of

561
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 1: their ways.

562
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,959
Speaker 3: There's tons of people behind me now, like my story's

563
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 3: being told right.

564
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 2: No, No, it doesn't matter who's on your fucking side.

565
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: The system's corrupt. Right after his second conviction, Ruben tells

566
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: the New York Times, quote, they can incarcerate my body,

567
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: but they can never incarcerate my mind. End quote, And

568
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: that holds true as Ruben spends five more years in prison.

569
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 2: It's a dark time, obviously.

570
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 1: He and his wife get divorced, and Ruben is so

571
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 1: hopeless that he doesn't read any of the letters that

572
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 1: pile up in his self from supporters of his case,

573
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 1: because now it's like a known story and there's so

574
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: many people writing in.

575
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 3: And reading those letters would just be so bittersweet, if

576
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 3: not just so depressing, right.

577
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: But for some reason, in September of nineteen eighty he

578
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: opens a letter, a random letter, and he'll later say

579
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: it's because the letter had vibrations. And the letters from

580
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: a seventeen year old kid. This is a fucking long

581
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: story that I'm going to just truncate, but it's a

582
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: seventeen year old kid in Toronto named Lezra Martin, and

583
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,400
Speaker 1: Lezra had read Ruben's book and was so moved by

584
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: it that he wanted to get in touch and thank him,

585
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: and so Lesra's letter to Ruben, leaves him so touched

586
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: that he begins corresponding with the teenager. So Lesra had

587
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: actually been adopted from a tough neighborhood in Brooklyn by

588
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: a commune of artists and academics living in a mansion

589
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: in Toronto seriously aka Heaven. It wasn't a great It

590
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 1: ends up not being a totally great place. Shit, right,

591
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: But it's when there's a bunch of people together, it's

592
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: I was going to go to shit.

593
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.

594
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: After hearing about Ruben through Lesra, three of the members

595
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 1: of the commune wind up moving down to New Jersey

596
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: to work full time on Reuben's wrongful conviction case, and

597
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: after numerous appeals, the cases heard in the US District

598
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: Court in Newark, and the judge overturns the conviction on

599
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: constitutional grounds, ruling that the prosecutors had quote fatally infected

600
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: the trial end quote with an unfound theory of racial revenge.

601
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: Ruben is free for good in nineteen eighty five at

602
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: the age of forty nine, having spent just about twenty

603
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: years in prison for a crime he didn't commit, and

604
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: James had been paroled in nineteen eighty one, so he

605
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: leaves prison and for his first six years after leaving,

606
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: Rubin lives at the Commune in Toronto. Oh wow, it

607
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: goes back. Eventually, the Commune proves to also be too

608
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: oppressive for him and he leaves it. It's a very

609
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: long story that I'm making very small that you can

610
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: look it up. Once independent in Toronto, Ruben founds a

611
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: group called Association in Defense of the Wrongfully Convicted, which

612
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: is now called Innocence Canada. They actively work on the

613
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: cases of people who they believe are wrongfully convicted. The

614
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 1: group has helped to exonerate thirty six wrongfully convicted Canadians.

615
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: In addition, Rubin works as a motivational speaker and advocates

616
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: for the wrongfully convicted all over the world, contributing to

617
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: many many more exonerations than in nineteen ninety nine, director

618
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: Norman Jewison makes a movie about his life called The

619
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: Hurricane Denzel. The movie glosses over his military discharge and

620
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: his prior convictions to make it look like he's a

621
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: purely sympathetic figure. But like when you know the truth

622
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: of his actual life and the violence and unfairness that

623
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: he overcame, the fact that he spent his formative years

624
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: in highly abusive and highly racist institutions. It makes his

625
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: later contributions to society that much more impressive, meaning like,

626
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: we don't you don't have to gloss over them. You

627
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: don't have to be a perfect person to deserve a perfect.

628
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 3: Life, and to not deserve being wrongfully convicted for a

629
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 3: crime he did not commit to just then be another

630
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 3: body that's being warehoused in this prison system.

631
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: Right, it's almost more impressive that he ended up being

632
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,959
Speaker 1: this incredible motivational person. Oh my god.

633
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 3: The idea that he left prison to then turn around

634
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 3: and help other wrongfully convicted people says it all to.

635
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: Me, exactly. He could have walked away and just lived

636
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: his life. Yeah, and he didn't, which is okay too,

637
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: Go live your fucking life everyone. When asked about being

638
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: played by Denzel Washington, Reuben says, quote, I didn't.

639
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 2: Know I was that good looking. Well here's a photo

640
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 2: of Ruben and Denzel Washington. Let's show that one.

641
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: Oh I know, Oh, look at that.

642
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 2: Such a cute pick.

643
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: Ruben dies at seventy six years old in April of

644
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen of prostate cancer, and he spends his last

645
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: week's campaigning for the release of a black man named

646
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: David McCallum, who had been wrongfully imprisoned for twenty nine years.

647
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: He writes an op ed for The New York Daily

648
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: News called Hurricane Carter's Dying Wish, saying quote, if I

649
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: find a heaven after this life, I'll be quite surprised

650
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: in my own years on this planet, though I lived

651
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: in hell for the first forty nine years and have

652
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: been in heaven for the past twenty eight years. To

653
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: live in a world where truth matters and justice, however

654
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: late really happens, that world would be heaven enough for us.

655
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 2: All end. Quote.

656
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: David McCallum is freed four months after Ruben's death. And

657
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Speaker 1: that is the story of Reuben Hurricane Carter. Amazing. What

658
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Speaker 1: a quote.

659
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Speaker 3: I know, that's a great quote. I know it's really true. Wow,

660
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 3: very inspiring.

661
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 2: So read his book. It's called The Sixteenth Round.

662
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: All right, So I'm going to take a left turn.

663
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 3: We as we like to do, we play levels, we

664
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Speaker 3: do different tones and tastes.

665
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 2: It contain multitudes, we always have.

666
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Speaker 1: And I'm going to tell you a survival story, which

667
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: is one of my favorite things to do. Classic Karen

668
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Speaker 1: Our story begins in Alaska on December twenty first, nineteen

669
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Speaker 1: forty three.

670
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Speaker 3: We're in the thick of World War Two. It's around

671
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 3: nine to forty five in the morning, and a crew

672
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 3: of five Americans in a B twenty four Liberator bomber

673
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 3: plane has just taken off for a test flight from

674
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Speaker 3: what used to be called lad Field but is now

675
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 3: called Fort Wainwright in Fair Bays, Alaska. Okay, here's the

676
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 3: plane right away.

677
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so old school, so old school.

678
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 3: The co pilots of this plane are Lieutenant Leon Crane

679
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 3: and Second Lieutenant Harold Hoskin. The flight crew is Sergeant

680
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 3: Ralph Wen's, Master Sergeant Richard Pompeo, and Lieutenant James Seibert.

681
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 3: As of this day, there's no active threat, but the

682
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 3: Allies are afraid that there could be an enemy invasion

683
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 3: of America by way of Alaska. So the troops are

684
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 3: taking these routine flights and patrolling the area. So here

685
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Speaker 3: is a picture of Lieutenant Leon Crane.

686
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Speaker 1: Hi, he's one of the pilots.

687
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 2: So I'm sorry.

688
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: The other day I was in Jess's office and I

689
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: don't remember. We were chatting about Christina said, do you

690
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: know as you ask any man if he thinks you

691
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: could land a plane, they all say they can.

692
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 2: They think they can.

693
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: Really, Yes, that's like when men were saying they thought

694
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: they could fight off a bear exactly, I asked Vince

695
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: and he laughed and said, hell though, So I'm really

696
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: happy for that.

697
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 3: That's actually pretty wild. I also recently just saw what

698
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 3: was a viral video. Do you ever see that one

699
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 3: of the girl who had just gotten her pilot's license

700
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 3: she'd flown three times and.

701
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 2: Her she was with her dad.

702
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 3: No, she's by herself and the landing gear like locked

703
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 3: up and she just didn't have any landing gear in

704
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 3: the back, I think. So a commercial pilot jumps on

705
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 3: and talks her through the landing.

706
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she does it and it is fine.

707
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 3: It's one of the scariest, craziest things that I was like,

708
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 3: I don't want to watch this, but I have to

709
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 3: see what happens.

710
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: Scary is amazing. Okay, So it's all business for this

711
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: flight crew until just after noon, when the bomber is

712
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: about one hundred and thirty miles out from lad Field,

713
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: flying over the Alaskan interior, when one of the engines fails.

714
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: So the bomber begins to spin the pilot's fight to

715
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 1: regain control, but the plane goes into a nose dive

716
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: at three hundred miles an hour and smashes into the

717
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: snowy earth. Oh shit, it's silent until one man's voice

718
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: can be heard calling out for the others, and what

719
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: begins is a tragedy now restarts as an incredible story

720
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: of survival that will play out for the next eighty

721
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: one days across the Alaskan interior. This is the story

722
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: of twenty four year old Lieutenant Leon Crane's long journey

723
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: back to civilization.

724
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,720
Speaker 2: Oh I forgot it was a survivor's story that quickly.

725
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: It's that easy. Yeah, show you a couple of pictures,

726
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: done right?

727
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

728
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 3: So the main sources use today are the book eighty

729
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 3: one Days Below Zero by Brian Murphy and two lave Lahoo.

730
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 3: Also at twenty twenty three Anchorage Daily News article by

731
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Speaker 3: journalist David Riemer entitled Lost in the Wilderness for eighty

732
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Speaker 3: one Days, a write up on the National Park Services

733
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 3: website entitled WW two's survival Story from the Charlie River,

734
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Speaker 3: and the rest of the sources are in our show

735
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 3: notes so when the plane was crashing all the chaos,

736
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 3: Lieutenant Crane somehow gets his parachute on and is able

737
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 3: to eject himself from the bomber or bail out. So

738
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Speaker 3: as he's floating down to the earth, he watches the

739
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 3: bomber in the distance as it smashes into a mountain

740
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,760
Speaker 3: side and erupts into what he'll later describe as quote

741
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 3: a huge blob of red flame. Miraculously, he was like

742
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 3: out before any of that ever happened. When I first

743
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 3: was reading it, I was like, this man survived a

744
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 3: nose dive into the earth.

745
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: I was totally picturing that. So climbing out of the wreckage, no,

746
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: snow isn't that powerful.

747
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 3: The problem, though, is that he's floating down to earth,

748
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 3: he doesn't know if any of the other crew members

749
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 3: have also been able to get out of the plane

750
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 3: like him. Also, as he's floating down, the air around

751
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 3: him is somewhere between forty and fifty degrees below zero,

752
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 3: but the wind chill makes it more than one hundred

753
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 3: degrees below zero. He's wearing his army issued flight suit,

754
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 3: a downfilled parka, and canvas mucklucks, and luckily he also

755
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 3: has several pairs of socks on. What he doesn't have

756
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 3: on are his heavy duty gloves because he had to

757
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 3: just you know, yeah, escape. So the air stings his

758
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 3: exposed hands and face as he's floating toward the earth.

759
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 3: Somehow he avoids all the trees and rocks and everything

760
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 3: that's super dangerous and he lands without injury. But then

761
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 3: he immediately sinks hip deep into snow. He's about two

762
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,720
Speaker 3: miles from where the plane crashed. He has no idea

763
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 3: if any of his crewmates are alive or dead. He

764
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 3: just starts shouting anyway, just in case someone could hear him,

765
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 3: but he's met with silence. Lieutenant Leon Crane is now

766
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 3: faced with the fact that he'll have to figure all

767
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 3: of this out on his own, which would be a

768
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:54,240
Speaker 3: huge problem for anybody, but especially Lieutenant Crane, who sources

769
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Speaker 3: describe as quote a city boy from Philadelphia.

770
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Speaker 2: Oh shit.

771
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 3: So it's not like he's got some survival list experience

772
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 3: or anything, and despite being stationed in Alaska for the

773
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 3: last two months, he hasn't gotten any practical survival training

774
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Speaker 3: for this cold, rugged environment. The good news is there's

775
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 3: some things that are just playing common sense. He knows

776
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 3: the temperature is going to plummet once the sun goes

777
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 3: down somewhere between two and three o'clock, and that means

778
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 3: he has just a couple of hours before he's at

779
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 3: risk of freezing to death.

780
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Speaker 1: And if by some.

781
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 3: Miracle he does survive the night, he knows whatever food, water,

782
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 3: or supplies the bomber head on board have gone up

783
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 3: in flames, so that can't help him, like if he

784
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 3: just hikes to the wreckage.

785
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Speaker 1: He also knows that the.

786
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Speaker 3: Last time he and his crew gave their location via

787
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 3: radio contact was around eleven oh eight am when they

788
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 3: were about sixty five miles out from ladd Field, but

789
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 3: they continued traveling for nearly an hour after that without

790
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 3: checking in, so he realizes to the Army he and

791
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 3: his crewmates could be anywhere. So Lieutenant Cranes starts with

792
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 3: what he's got in front of him. He wraps himself

793
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 3: up in his parachute for warmth, and he looks at

794
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 3: the tools that he actually brought, two match boxes with

795
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,439
Speaker 3: about forty matches between the two, a boy scout knife

796
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 3: that he carries with him everywhere, and a letter from

797
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 3: his father back in Pennsylvania. Then he scans the area

798
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 3: around him, identifying a small frozen over river, and he

799
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:27,439
Speaker 3: heads toward that. Always go toward the water, Yeah right, yes, okay,

800
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 3: so then you can follow it down because it's always

801
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 3: going down to meet bigger water.

802
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: Where people build homes because it's near the water and

803
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: we need water to survive. That's right, you are very smart.

804
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 2: I made that all up.

805
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 3: What so Leon can't know this at the time, but

806
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 3: he is at the headwaters of the Charlie River and

807
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 3: that empties out into the Yukon. He starts collecting driftwood

808
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 3: from the river banks, which he then cuts down with

809
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 3: his pocket knife and arranges into a little cone to

810
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 3: start a fire for warmth. But his hands are so

811
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Speaker 3: ice cold as he does this they've gone completely numb,

812
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 3: so he struggles to get the fire started, and he

813
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 3: ends up having to use the letter from his father

814
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,280
Speaker 3: as kindling. But he does get a small fire going,

815
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Speaker 3: so he warms himself up as much as he can.

816
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 3: He's obviously exhausted and he can't help but start wondering

817
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 3: if he might die out there all alone. Fortunately, he

818
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 3: does wake up the next morning, bundled in his parachute,

819
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 3: still very cold, increasingly hungry, and unsure of what comes next.

820
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Speaker 1: But he is alive.

821
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Speaker 2: You carry a knife. I carry a knife.

822
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Speaker 1: Do you carry a knife. I always make sure there's

823
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: something sharp in my purse, that something kind of like

824
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: could cut through something. But I don't. I so easily

825
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: forget things of like, I'm not gonna I'll walk through security.

826
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Speaker 1: Oh like beeper with a knife easily.

827
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Speaker 2: Yes, I had.

828
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: To replace my pepper spray so many times cause I

829
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Speaker 1: don't take it out.

830
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Speaker 2: Of the airport.

831
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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm not like savvy savvy, smart aware enough, you

832
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I'm still putting my phone down

833
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: when I start looking at sweaters and walking away. I

834
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: just can't so me and knives, aren't you know? Oh?

835
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: You carry the night? So he wakes up.

836
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Speaker 3: It's day two in the Alaskan wilderness and Lieutenant Crane

837
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 3: is still holding out hope that rescuers will find the

838
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 3: crash site and then be able to save him. He

839
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 3: focuses on that short term survival, so he keeps his

840
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 3: driftwood fire going as he makes an impromptu campsite, and

841
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,760
Speaker 3: he stays hydrated by eating snow. This is actually something

842
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 3: experts say can be risky to do because it burns

843
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 3: a lot of your energy because it's cold, and so

844
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 3: then you have to heat it up. Your body expends

845
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 3: too much energy to heat it up. It also risks

846
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 3: cooling your body to the point of hypothermi.

847
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: Oh man, I was like snow, you have unlimited water,

848
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: No careful, also ice cream headaches, but it does work

849
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: for Lieutenant Crane. In this situation, he waits for the

850
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: sounds of a rescue plane all time long, then the

851
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: next day and the next day. After nine days pass,

852
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: he is forced to accept no one is coming for him.

853
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: So on top of that, he hasn't had anything substantial

854
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: to eat in that long. But the problem is he

855
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: can see squirrels running in the trees above his campsite.

856
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: So the hungrier he.

857
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 3: Gets, the more desperately he tries, like to, you know,

858
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 3: basically hunt these squirrels, but he doesn't have any real

859
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,399
Speaker 3: weapons to help him, and he tries to make them,

860
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 3: but he has very limited materials, so he attempts linking

861
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 3: like rudimentary clubs and a slink shot, and he tries

862
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 3: to fashion a sort of spear. None of it works.

863
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,720
Speaker 3: The squirrels always get away. Lieutenant Crane's morale is sinking

864
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 3: and Fearing he might starve to death, he decides his

865
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 3: best bet will be to follow the frozen river, hoping

866
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 3: it just leads him to people like he can't just

867
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 3: stay at this campsite.

868
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: But following the.

869
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Speaker 3: River turns out to be a treacherous hike through ice

870
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 3: and snow along sometimes very steep, rocky inclines. The Anchorage

871
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 3: Daily News reports that it takes Lieutenant Crane several hours

872
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 3: just to travel a few hundred feet, So he's in

873
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 3: some serious wilderness.

874
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 2: You a picture of, like what it looks like?

875
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, can we put up a picture of maybe the

876
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: crash site? But that's it. The crash slite is too clear.

877
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:23,879
Speaker 2: Oh but he's on snow right, Well, he bailed.

878
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 3: Out, Like I think what it would be like two

879
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 3: miles away from here. Yeah, that's where the crash site.

880
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 3: Like they probably went back to take that picture totally.

881
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 3: So of course he's getting exhausted, but he is able

882
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 3: to find breaks in the ice and he's able to

883
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 3: drink river water, which is good. He still isn't eating

884
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 3: that much though, aside from a few plants here and there.

885
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 3: And then at night he follows the same routine. He

886
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 3: lights a small fire, he warms himself up, he wraps

887
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 3: himself up in his parachute. But the hungrier he gets,

888
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 3: of course, the more he's dreaming of food. He has

889
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 3: vivid dreams about steaks and potatoes, frothy milkshakes, same every day.

890
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 3: So this goes on for another week for Lieutenant Crane,

891
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 3: and at this point he's been out in the wilderness

892
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 3: for over two weeks. He is nearly just depleted, but

893
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 3: he keeps on. He gets up to hike one more time,

894
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 3: and one day, as he's trudging along the river, something

895
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 3: amazing happens. He looks up to see a small log

896
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 3: cabin in the distance. As he gets closer, he discovered

897
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 3: this cabin is not only unlocked, it is fully stocked

898
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:32,240
Speaker 3: with food and supplies.

899
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: And this is not a mirage.

900
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 3: It's actually customary in the frontier as a sort of

901
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 3: pay it forward practice by hunters and trappers who know

902
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 3: how lethal getting lost in the Alaskan wilderness can be,

903
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 3: so they leave their stuff open and they leave it

904
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 3: fully stocked for anyone who might need it.

905
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 2: That's amazing, It's kind of beautiful. That's like that.

906
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: In certain towns where polar bears are always around, people

907
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: leave their car doors unlocked, just so if you're like walking,

908
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: you can get in fucking polar bear. You can jump

909
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: someone's car.

910
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 3: Oh, I didn't know that it has to be Alaska, right,

911
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 3: Oh makes sense. Leon finds a name on some of

912
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 3: the items around the property, and that name is Phil Breil,

913
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 3: and he figures it's the cabin's owner, and he is like, oh,

914
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 3: never forget this person. Yeah, because this cabin is a

915
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 3: literal lifesaver. Lieutenant Crane finds clothes. He also crucially finds

916
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 3: a pair of mittens. Among the supplies, there's also shelf

917
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 3: stable food. There's a gun for hunting. There's all sorts

918
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 3: of tools, there's a stove, there's a supply of ready

919
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 3: to use firewood. Like, he doesn't even have to go

920
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 3: chop firewood.

921
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:36,959
Speaker 2: It's like he leveled up in a video game.

922
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: Yes, you know he earned this cabin. Yeah. Yeah.

923
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 3: He even finds himself some hot cocoa. Oh yeah, so

924
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 3: he warms up, He feeds himself. He stays the night

925
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 3: in Phil Burreil's cabin, desperately hoping that means that some

926
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 3: other person, maybe Phil himself, if not, an entire homestead

927
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 3: is nearby. But this is the part of the movie

928
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 3: where if the camera pulled up and out of the

929
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 3: roof and then expand it out, you would be able

930
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 3: to see high in the air that Lieutenant Crane is

931
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 3: one hundred miles away from the nearest settlement. Oh no, yeah,

932
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 3: he doesn't know that though. What Lieutenant Crane knows is

933
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 3: that he's fed and rested, and that the next morning,

934
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 3: with mittens finally covering his frost bit and hands and

935
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 3: pockets filled with raisins that he's found at the cabin,

936
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 3: he sets out on his course along the Charlie River.

937
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 3: He spends the entire day hiking that same punishing terrain,

938
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 3: hoping that he is going to find a cabin a

939
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 3: mile away, two miles away. He doesn't find anything, so

940
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 3: then he has to turn back and hike all the

941
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 3: way back to the cabin. When he gets there, he's

942
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 3: exhausted and defeated and he.

943
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: Collapses pocketfull of raisins, with fucking raisins.

944
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 2: Rh let's don't keep.

945
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: But back then it was like the forties, people were like,

946
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: this is nature's candy delicacy. I love this shit. So

947
00:46:56,520 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: Lieutenant Crane spends the next six weeks then sing out

948
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: of this cabin a couple miles at a time, hoping

949
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:08,240
Speaker 1: to find something other than vast Snowy expanses it never happens,

950
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: and he doesn't know what else to do. What would

951
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,280
Speaker 1: you do? Stay there, just keep staying, just live, yeah,

952
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: ration stay yep, hope that someone comes back at some point.

953
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: I think what I would do is light the forest

954
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: around me on fire and be like, try to find

955
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,280
Speaker 1: some liquor and be like, if they don't see this smoke,

956
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: I don't know what. I don't know how to help

957
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: these people.

958
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 2: My stomach is growling now because I think I'm so

959
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 2: in it with you.

960
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: Yes, that happened.

961
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 3: I was working on this this morning, but I was

962
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 3: sitting outside, and of course everyone's going to hate me

963
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 3: and you when I say this.

964
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 1: It was freezing. It was like fifty three.

965
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 3: Degrees this morning, and I what so I was typing

966
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,280
Speaker 3: and I realized I thought I was really into the story,

967
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 3: but I was like, no, my hands are puld. I'm

968
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 3: not used to any temperature fluctuation whatsoever. Okay, So your

969
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 3: plan is what his plan was. At first, Lieutenant Crane

970
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 3: was just going to subsist on what is in Phil

971
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:05,479
Speaker 3: Burrell's cabin until warmer weather comes and basically thaws everything out.

972
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,720
Speaker 3: But then he realizes that even if he really rations

973
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 3: barely eats every day, there isn't enough food to sustain

974
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,959
Speaker 3: him for that long. So he is forced to once

975
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 3: again set out along the riverside. But this time he

976
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 3: has fashioned himself a very simple sled so that he

977
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 3: can take as many of the supplies and tools with

978
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 3: him as he can, which is great. So now he

979
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 3: has a tent and a sleeping bag. So as bad

980
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 3: as the situation is, it is definitely better than it

981
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 3: was before. He's gained strength, he's gained morale, he's gained

982
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 3: some mittens. So he heads out once again. He walks

983
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 3: for miles and miles. At one point he stops to

984
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 3: get cold water from the river, but he slips and

985
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,240
Speaker 3: he falls into the river.

986
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: It's, of course ice cold.

987
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,439
Speaker 3: Somehow Lieutenant Crane manages to get back out, but now

988
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 3: his clothes begin to freeze.

989
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 2: He's so embarrassed. All those little animals that saw him was.

990
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,240
Speaker 3: Like fucking lands, like on the side of his face

991
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 3: and shoulder.

992
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 2: His following theirs like just not.

993
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 3: No one wants to see that, No grown man child

994
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 3: doesn't matter. Falling is the ultimate humiliation alone or not

995
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 3: into it.

996
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: Maybe the first alone where then you're like kind of

997
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: grunting and getting up, like, oh, you're really left. No

998
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: one comes and says, oh, no, are you Okay, we

999
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: could laugh together about how funny and clumsy that was.

1000
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 3: No, I remember every fall it's just you and yourself

1001
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 3: beating yourself up for a falling down.

1002
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: Okay, wait, sorry, because this is supposed to be exciting. See,

1003
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: because he's going down the river and he's like, maybe

1004
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: I'm making progress. He falls into the river immediately he's

1005
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: in danger, like he's his life is immediately in danger,

1006
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: like as he's trying to assess the situation and fix it.

1007
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: He has to do it as quickly as possible, but

1008
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: he's shivering so hard he can barely control his hands,

1009
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: and he also kind of can't think straight because his

1010
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 1: body is in shock. So he pushes through and he

1011
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 1: is able to start a fire. He runs a rope

1012
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 1: above it. He strips off all of his.

1013
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 3: Icy clothes, hangs them across the rope, and then he

1014
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 3: runs into his tent naked and like you know, wraps

1015
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 3: himself up, praying that the flames won't burn so high

1016
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 3: that they burn his clothing. But like, basically I have

1017
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 3: to dry out that clothing and then warm myself up. Fortunately,

1018
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,839
Speaker 3: his clothes do dry out, He does warm up, He

1019
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 3: puts his clothes back on, he gets into a sleeping bag,

1020
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 3: and he just goes to sleep basis. So he then

1021
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,439
Speaker 3: just has to get up. The next day, he's back

1022
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 3: at it, hiking along the river. Occasionally he manages to

1023
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 3: catch a squirrel or a bird eating a bird, all

1024
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 3: those bones, he covers a couple miles a day.

1025
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,280
Speaker 1: He does this for two more weeks. At one point

1026
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 1: he has to abandon his sled. It's just too heavy

1027
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: and clunky and it's too hard. So whatever supplies or

1028
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: tools he can't carry he has to leave behind. So

1029
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: just another devastating moment of like, is this am I

1030
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 1: just like breadcrumbing my life? Way here totally trying to

1031
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: get somewhere, which is kind of what life feels like

1032
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 1: a lot of the time.

1033
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 2: Sure, we don't all get a sled, some of us

1034
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 2: get sleds.

1035
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 3: You got to make your own sled, right, and then

1036
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 3: you just got to focus that there will be a

1037
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 3: cabin that's unlocked, right, there will be you just got

1038
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 3: to keep going.

1039
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 2: Hot cocoa in the future. There is a tuck full

1040
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:19,399
Speaker 2: of raisins.

1041
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: We want people to keep going. You can put the

1042
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 1: raisins in the hot coco mean whatever you want them

1043
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: to mean, Like raisins are symbolical.

1044
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,879
Speaker 3: You're right of positive things, right, even though they don't

1045
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 3: seem like it. So he doesn't know if doing this

1046
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,879
Speaker 3: is the best plan for him. He just simply has

1047
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 3: no choice, and he continues, and then once again, the

1048
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 3: unlikeliest miracle happens. Lieutenant Crane comes across another unlocked and

1049
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 3: fully stocked cabin.

1050
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,760
Speaker 2: Oh god, this is actually really like life.

1051
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: We're like, some people just get fucking come across cabins

1052
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: stocked full.

1053
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and some of us don't. And you can't forget it.

1054
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: No, I'm going to continue this.

1055
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 2: You know what it is.

1056
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: It's the people who keep trudging along. It's the people

1057
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: who take risks, and it's the people who dig down

1058
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: and go like, I want to live and I want

1059
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: to make this and so I'm just gonna I'm going.

1060
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 3: To play the odds. I'm going to do my best.

1061
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna let my brain get me down, and

1062
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 3: I will believe that there are unlocked cabin filled with

1063
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 3: raisins to the brain.

1064
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: But meanwhile, the motherfuckers who were born in the cabin

1065
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: full of food are saying that the people who weren't

1066
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: I could just go on and on. I know, are

1067
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:36,800
Speaker 1: lazy and taking their skiing jobs.

1068
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 3: I mean, those people do exist, But let's focus on

1069
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 3: the people who leave the cabin unlocked, filled with supplies. Okay,

1070
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 3: because those people are there's more people like that.

1071
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 2: That's us. I think that's us.

1072
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 3: That's us, that's America right now, those blamers and those

1073
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,720
Speaker 3: cabin people, those original born in the cabin people.

1074
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: Let's not worry about this guys so much. Not in

1075
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 1: this story. Okay, this story is filled with raisins.

1076
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 2: Okay.

1077
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 3: So Lieutenant Crane lays down his pack and once again

1078
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 3: just sets out to recover, just like he did the

1079
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 3: first time. He stays in this cabin for about a week.

1080
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 3: Now it's March tenth, and that means it's been eighty

1081
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 3: one days since Lieutenant Crane parachuted out of the bomber

1082
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 3: on December twenty. First shit, he's back on the riverside,

1083
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 3: walking along just trying to find someone's I mean, what

1084
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 3: a frustrating hike. This would be to be like, you're

1085
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,879
Speaker 3: just going to hike until you try to find something or.

1086
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 2: Somebody something somewhere at some point.

1087
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: But you're in the Alaskan interior.

1088
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 2: Oh thank you.

1089
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: Rough.

1090
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 3: He's walking along the riverside, he notices a neat trail

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00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 3: of packed snow and to him, it looks recent and

1092
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 3: it looks like it could be tracks from a dog sled,

1093
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 3: so there's something to be excited about. He follows these

1094
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 3: tracks until they lead him to another cabin, and this

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00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 3: one is occupied. Leon approaches and a man steps outside

1096
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 3: to greet him. It's the first person Lieutenant Crane has

1097
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 3: spoken to in more than three months, and he tells

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00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 3: the man quote, I've been in a little trouble. Boy,

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Speaker 3: Am I glad to see you?

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00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: Wow? I bet yeah.

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00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,439
Speaker 3: So this man explains that he is a trapper named

1102
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 3: Albert Ames, and he lives in this cabin with his family,

1103
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 3: so he actually lives out there. Crane apologizes for not

1104
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 3: being particularly coherent. He can barely talk to this man.

1105
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,800
Speaker 3: Like once he said I'm in trouble, I'm glad to

1106
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 3: see you. It was like the man Albertames was trying

1107
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 3: to talk to him, and he couldn't have a conversation.

1108
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 3: He hadn't seen people in eighty one days, oh for sure.

1109
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 3: Albertames shows him mercy. He takes Lieutenant Crane inside, offers

1110
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 3: some food, lets him spend the next few days recovering,

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00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 3: and Crane will soon learn he has walked just about

1112
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 3: one hundred miles in the last eighty one days. Here's

1113
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 3: a map of what it looks like. Whoa him crossing

1114
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 3: all those rivers?

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00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's really nowhere else he could have gone

1116
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 1: right kind of you know where it's like I hate

1117
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: those stories where it's like if he had just gone

1118
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: the other way those ten feet, yeah, I know, he

1119
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,800
Speaker 1: would have been in fucking' whatever. It's triangle of sadness

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00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: where it's like there's the sandals right on the other

1121
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 1: side of.

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00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 2: His mountain, but she went that way.

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00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: Wow. Right. Well, and also if he had followed, say,

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00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: a different river something else, he wouldn't have gotten to albert.

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00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 2: Ain, right, which is you need people, right.

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00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 1: The fact that he came upon two cabins is just

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00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 1: so unbelievable. Yeah, crazy kind of meant to be ish. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: This is also when Lieutenant Crane sees himself in the

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00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 3: mirror for the first time in months, and here's how

1130
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 3: he describes himself. When he sees himself, he says, quote,

1131
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 3: I had a two inch beard, black as coal. My

1132
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 3: hair was long and matted, covering my ears and coming

1133
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 3: down over my forehead almost to my eyes, so that

1134
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 3: I looked like some strange species of prehistoric man. I

1135
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 3: was dirty and sunburned and wind burned, and my eyes

1136
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:57,280
Speaker 3: stared back at me from the centers of two deep

1137
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 3: black circles.

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00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 2: Jesus yeah. Quote.

1139
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 3: So, as he's recovering, Lieutenant Crane tells Albert about Phil

1140
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 3: Berell's cabin and how it was this godsend that he

1141
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:11,359
Speaker 3: found at his lowest point, and he's shocked to learn

1142
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 3: that Albert knows exactly who Phil Breil is, because actually

1143
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 3: everyone in the area does. Fill's a regionally famous hardcore

1144
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 3: trapper who's described in the book eighty one Days Below

1145
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 3: Zero as having quote an almost scary tolerance for discomfort

1146
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 3: or pain. Nothing seemed to make him WinCE unquote wow.

1147
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 3: So he's basically a local legend. So three days later,

1148
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 3: when Lieutenant Crane is fully rested, Albert Dames loads him

1149
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 3: up on his dog sled and takes him on a

1150
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 3: two day trip to wood Chopper, Alaska.

1151
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: So even on a dog sled to get back to

1152
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: civilization takes two days.

1153
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 2: Two days, which is like just shows you.

1154
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 1: How far he went, yees, you know, and how far

1155
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,399
Speaker 1: he had left to go if you hadn't met anyone. Yes,

1156
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: alone with no sled, with no dogs, got dogs.

1157
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 3: But also I think that the thing, it's like there

1158
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 3: was so much snow because he's on a sled, but

1159
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 3: Albert Ames is in snowshoes, so they have to get through.

1160
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 3: It's like there's no paths, there's no it's been snowing,

1161
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 3: like it's the true wilderness.

1162
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: Why don't you understand.

1163
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 2: It's like Griffith Park on a rainy day.

1164
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 3: It's exactly when there's a light breeze in Griffith Park. Okay,

1165
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 3: So they get to wood Chopper, Alaska, best name of

1166
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 3: all time. This is an old gold mining settlement that's

1167
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 3: a ghost town now, but there's an air strip there,

1168
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 3: so Lieutenant Crane is able to contact his unit and

1169
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 3: have him come and pick him up there.

1170
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 2: Hey guys, it's me.

1171
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you thought it was dead, but it's me.

1172
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: Wood Chopper also happens to be where Phil Burrell lives,

1173
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: so they roll into town. Then Albert takes Lieutenant Crane

1174
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 1: to Phil's house and basically says, here's the man that

1175
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: saved your life. From a distance. The two men drink

1176
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: rum together while you tenant. Crane tells Phil his story

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00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: of survival over the past few months, and they bond

1178
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: over their shared toughness. Wow, because who could appreciate that

1179
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: story better than the man who doesn't win for sure.

1180
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 1: The next morning is March fourteenth, and Lieutenant Leon Crane

1181
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: boards the airplane that takes him back to Ladd Field

1182
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 1: in Fairbanks, Alaska. All this time he's been wearing his

1183
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 1: now tattered flight suit, so when he d planes at

1184
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 1: Ladd Field, everyone is stunned. It's not like he got

1185
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 1: to wood Chopper and was suddenly able to get it

1186
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 1: all together. It's a ghost town. Yeah makeover Yeah, so no.

1187
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: He walks off the plane looking pretty bad. After taking

1188
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 1: a hotch shower and getting a medical exam, Leon asks

1189
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 1: for a milkshake. It's reported that when Lieutenant Crane learns

1190
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: his four fellow crewmen have not yet been located, he

1191
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: immediately gets back onto yet another plane to help the

1192
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: army find that wreckage site, and it leads to the

1193
00:58:55,440 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 1: recovery of two krewman's bodies, Sergeant Ralph Wentz and Lieutenant James.

1194
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 1: It's not until half century later, in two thousand and six,

1195
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 1: when remains found not far from the wreckage are positively

1196
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 1: linked to Second Lieutenant Harold Hoskin, But to this day,

1197
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 1: Master Sergeant Richard Pompeo's remains have never been found.

1198
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 2: Wow.

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00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 3: So, despite Lieutenant Crane's story becoming legendary, especially within the

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00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 3: US military, he actually goes on to live a very

1201
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 3: quiet life. He eventually returns to Philadelphia, he starts a family,

1202
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 3: he becomes an aeronautical engineer, and he is credited with

1203
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 3: working on some of the earliest versions of modern helicopters.

1204
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 2: Wow.

1205
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 3: So, yeah, he's a very smart man in two thousand

1206
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 3: and two, and also maybe ooh, that's part of why

1207
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 3: it was meant to be, which part that he basically

1208
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 3: found those cabins and took the right path because modern

1209
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 3: helicopters needed to be invented. Okay, you're not seeing the fate.

1210
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 1: I'm following that trajectory with a lot of doubt. Near us,

1211
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be deep. In two thousand and two,

1212
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 1: Leon Crane passes away.

1213
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 3: He's in his early eighties and he leaves behind six children, who, then,

1214
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 3: in the summer of two thousand and five, three years later,

1215
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 3: decide they're going to revisit their father's journey along the

1216
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 3: Charlie River.

1217
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 1: God. They go via plane and then raft for a week.

1218
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: They witness the.

1219
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 3: World their father survived for eighty one days, including the

1220
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 3: ruins of Phil Burrell's cabin.

1221
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 2: Wow.

1222
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 1: They take it all in. They even find some of

1223
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 1: the tools their father left near Phil's cabin that he

1224
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: had described to them when he told the stories.

1225
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 2: Wow.

1226
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 3: Leon Crane never sought fame or seemed to want much attention,

1227
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 3: so we don't really have many firsthand quotes from him

1228
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 3: on this incredible survival saga. But he did agreed to

1229
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 3: a recorded interview in the nineties where he makes his

1230
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 3: feelings very well known in that he says, quote, God,

1231
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 3: awful place, Alaska, ice and snow and cold as hell,

1232
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 3: and that is the story of Lieutenant Leon Crane's incredible

1233
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 3: survival in the Alaskan wilderness.

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01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 1: Wow, you did it, He did it right, But that

1235
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 1: but we did it.

1236
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 2: We did it.

1237
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 1: Ultimately, this is our victory.

1238
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 2: We're gonna claim it's your own.

1239
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 1: That's all.

1240
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're in the car.

1241
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 2: We're in the car, and you know what that means.

1242
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 2: That means new honking.

1243
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: Horays presented by Hyundai.

1244
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 2: I wanna go first.

1245
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 4: Sure.

1246
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 3: This email was sent to us. It says, Hey, ladies,

1247
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 3: excited to share my horay with you. This year, I

1248
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 3: turned forty and I did something I've wanted to do

1249
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 3: for many years. I joined my local civic choir.

1250
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 1: What is that? That's the town choir?

1251
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 4: Wow?

1252
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 2: Okay.

1253
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 1: I was in chorus author high school, performed in musicals,

1254
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 1: and was a member of the prestigious all female ensemble

1255
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 1: called you know we're an ensemble called the Mellow Deers.

1256
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Speaker 1: It's been twenty two years since I graduated high school,

1257
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 1: and I really missed being an acchoir. Every Monday, I'm

1258
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 1: excited to go to rehearsal and I've made some wonderful

1259
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 1: friends these past few months. It's been such a fulfilling

1260
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 1: addition to my life, and I'm so glad I overcame

1261
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 1: the fear of thinking I was too old, or it

1262
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:21,919
Speaker 1: was too late, or people would laugh. You're never too old.

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01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 1: It's never too late, and don't listen to anyone who

1264
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 1: laughs at something that brings you joy. As a SDGM

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01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 1: Alana pronounced Elena, my parents couldn't be bothered to add

1266
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 1: an extra vowel. I don't know if I messed that up,

1267
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 1: but I love that one. I love the idea of

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01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 1: doing something you loved it as an adolescent and like

1269
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 1: you're allowed to do it as an adult. And also

1270
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of other adults that want to go

1271
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 1: back and like recapture some of that swing choir glory

1272
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 1: that you had long ago.

1273
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 2: I'm going to join a soccer team. Okay, I love

1274
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:52,479
Speaker 2: that mine.

1275
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 1: I can you start drinking by a rock again?

1276
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 2: Start going to a field with random contest?

1277
01:02:57,760 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 1: That's right?

1278
01:02:58,400 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 2: Okay.

1279
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 1: This is from Mike kelly Instagram. Next week, I'm starting

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01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 1: a job as an emergency room social worker after leaving

1281
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 1: a toxic workplace as a therapist.

1282
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 2: Jesus Wow.

1283
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 1: Although I was sad to leave my colleagues and the

1284
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 1: clients I was working with, I'm so excited for a

1285
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 1: move to a new city and a job that is

1286
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 1: going to be so fulfilling. Hooray emergency room social worker.

1287
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 1: How bad and toxic. Does your job have to be

1288
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 1: if you're like you know where I need to go

1289
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 1: for some peace and quiet, the er emergency room. Thank you.

1290
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 1: I'll handle people's problems with the emergency room.

1291
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 2: It's much more calm here.

1292
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 1: It's just my zen place. Well, congratulations for making that move. Yeah, parallel,

1293
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Speaker 1: here's this next one. It says email titled hooray, it's

1294
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 1: fun to type Hi, MFM fam gosh. I just love

1295
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Speaker 1: y'all so much. My horay is after literal years of searching,

1296
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 1: I finally landed the perfect job. I work for a

1297
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 1: small local mom and pop bakery. She's not working for

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Speaker 1: a small local mom, which is how I write welcome

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Speaker 1: just this little tiny mother. I work for a small

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Speaker 1: local mama pop bakery where I get to make sour

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Speaker 1: dough bread, cookies and cinnamon rolls on the daily. I

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Speaker 1: finally get to do what I love and get paid

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Speaker 1: for it. Stay sexy and eat local carbs.

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Speaker 2: DJ eat me her mm hm.

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Speaker 4: I love that right.

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Speaker 1: That's on car with joining choir totally. Like all the

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Speaker 1: stuff that makes you feel good, brings bringsy joy like

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Speaker 1: the er, and brings me joy like the ER's like

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Speaker 1: social work in the er.

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Speaker 2: Thanks you guys for tuning in to honking hoays.

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Speaker 1: Thank you Hyundai for making all of this possible.

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Speaker 2: Stay sexy and don't get murdered.

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Speaker 1: Elvis, do you want a cookie? This has been an

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Speaker 1: exactly right production. Our senior producer is Molly Smith and

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Speaker 1: our associate producer is Tessa Hughes. Our editor is Aristotle Ascevedo.

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Speaker 2: This episode was mixed by Leona Squalacci.

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Speaker 1: Our researchers are Mary McGlashan and Ali Elkin.

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