1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Sophia Bush here. Welcome to Work in Progress, 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: where I talk to people who inspire me about how 3 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: they got to where they are and where they think 4 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: they're still going. Today's guest is fierce. She is a 5 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: woman who I would call something that I've been called, 6 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: which I find very flattering. Tiny but mighty. Today's guest 7 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: is none other than Gretchen Carlson. She joins me to 8 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: talk about her new organization, Lift Our Voices, which is 9 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: advocating for the end of non disclosure agreements, confidentiality provisions, 10 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: and clauses that have prevented employees from publicly discussing and 11 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: disclosing their experiences in toxic workplaces, including inappropriate conditions like 12 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: sexual harassment and assault. And that is exactly what happened 13 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: to Gretchen. And after she was fired from Fox News, 14 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 1: she filed a sexual harassment lawsuit against Fox News chairman 15 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: Roger Ales and helped to bring him down. And she 16 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: was only allowed to make that lawsuit public because she 17 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 1: sued Ales personally rather than Fox News as an organization. 18 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: If she'd sued the organization she'd been employed under, she 19 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: would have been forced into arbitration. We're going to get 20 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: into all the technicality of this today, and we're going 21 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: to talk about her inability even still to publicly share 22 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: her own story as it makes its way onto the 23 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: big screen onto the small screen, and why she is 24 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: fighting so hard to change that system. She also explains 25 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: why sexual harassment and sexual assault in the workplace shouldn't 26 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: be called a woman's problem, it should be called a 27 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: men's problem, why she believes that predatory men should not 28 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: be allowed to have comebacks, and what we can do 29 00:01:53,200 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: to help push these positive movements for equality forward. Gretchen, 30 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: I'm so happy to have you here today. Thanks for 31 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: having me, Congratulations on your podcast. Thank you, it's really spectacular. 32 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, and especially coming from internalist, that 33 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: means a lot to me. Well, you're very comfortable and 34 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: free flowing, and journalists could actually learn something from you 35 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: because sometimes because sometimes journalists are very like into perfection 36 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: and reading the teleprompter perfectly and and not self deprecating. 37 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: And if there's one thing I learned about being on 38 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: cable TV versus network was just that there was so 39 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: much more time to fill that you had to add 40 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: lib a lot, and then you had to learn to 41 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:40,239 Speaker 1: just make mistakes and be like, oh well, and actually 42 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: people end up appreciating that a lot more because you 43 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: come across as so much more authentic and real of course. Well, 44 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: And I think that's something I love about the podcast 45 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: space is that it offers you an arena for discussion 46 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: but also discovery exactly. And when you're on you know, 47 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: a news show or you're doing an interview, and they're 48 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: grabbing a sound bite and you have and prepared questions 49 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: and you don't get to stray, so you don't really 50 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: get to explore. And I think in a world that 51 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: feels like it's becoming more and more bifurcated, and you know, 52 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: red versus blue, and us versus them and everything is 53 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: sort of a nightmare having a space where you can 54 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 1: just converse with people and and when they make a point, 55 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: maybe add your own thought and then ask a follow 56 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: up questions. But it's really counterintuitive to the way in 57 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:26,959 Speaker 1: which we live in the world right now, which is 58 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: so fast paced and everything snack able. So it's very 59 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: interesting how podcasts have become so popular because I think 60 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: it shows the craving of the American people, young, middle 61 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: age and older who want to have those kinds of real, 62 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: authentic conversation still, which is very uplifting to me in 63 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: this hyperpartisan environment that we need to say that I 64 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: hate me too, me too, me too. And the irony 65 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: of me repeating me too with you sitting here across 66 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: from me is that you really helped open the doors 67 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: for the movement. Thank you. You know, we were speaking 68 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: just before we started recording about what the environment was 69 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: like in sen and people forget that it was iron 70 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: clad and terrifying. And you know, now we're having these 71 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: conversations out in the daylight. It's yet to be seen 72 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: what the real outcomes will be from them, but we're 73 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: talking about it. And you boldly filed a claim against 74 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: Roger Ailes in July sixteen. It's like a date that 75 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: I'll never ever forget because it was the scariest thing, 76 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 1: in the boldest, most courteous thing I ever did in 77 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: my life. I mean, were you just shaking that morning? 78 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 1: But you know what's happening to you that I've been 79 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: shaking for a lot of years, because you know, I've 80 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: been living through something that wasn't comfortable at all. But listen, 81 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: I had worked so hard, killed myself to get to 82 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: the top of my career in journalism, and I finally 83 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: got to do a morning show, you know, five days 84 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: a week, which was my dream. It was a great 85 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 1: combination of news and having fun. At least that's what 86 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: I thought it was going to be at the beginning. 87 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: And so when I had been contemplating this for quite 88 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: some time, courage is not something that you just decided 89 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 1: to flip on like a light switch. And if anyone 90 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:12,799 Speaker 1: knows me really well, they know that I'm very prepared 91 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 1: about things. So I needed to get my ducks in 92 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 1: a row. And then, really what was the catalyst or 93 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: the final push off the cliff was that they fired me. 94 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: They fired me on June and that was shocking because 95 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 1: it was so retaliatory. And so I went away with 96 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: my sister for my birthday to Mexico and planned this 97 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 1: whole thing in very fast pace motion. Then, because it 98 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: sort of came out of the blue, I was always 99 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: planning it, but not necessarily planning to get fired. And 100 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: so then we filed on July six. And I know 101 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: that this is complicated because you are one of the women, 102 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: and and there are also so many men who have 103 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: been put into these forced nd A nondisclosure agreement situations. 104 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,239 Speaker 1: So there's we can talk about this, but we can't 105 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: talk about this, which is tricky, and I'm excited to 106 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: get into the conversation and see, but can you walk 107 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: the listeners through what you're working environment was like what 108 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 1: you were being forced to sort of put up with 109 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:25,559 Speaker 1: and and why you were told you were fired? No? Great, 110 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: So the thing is, I can't tell you anything about 111 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: the claims that I alleged. People can go online and 112 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: read my complaint. Now, I will say a caveat here 113 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 1: is that my lawyers figured out a brilliant strategy to 114 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: make my case public, or we wouldn't even be having 115 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: this conversation right now, and arguably we wouldn't be in 116 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: this movement per se. But they figured out a way 117 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: to sue Roger L's personally and not Fox News, which 118 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: is how my complaint became public and I wasn't forced 119 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: into arbitration, which is a whole another secret chamber that 120 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: people don't understand and that I've become an expert on 121 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 1: and what I'm trying to change on Capitol Hill. So 122 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: that was the first good move, was that my case 123 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 1: became public. But no, I can't tell you about the environment. 124 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: I can share with you that there were very obvious, 125 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:14,119 Speaker 1: small protests that you can go back now and see 126 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: what I was doing. For example, one day I walked 127 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: off the set of Fox and Friends, the morning show 128 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: that I was hosting, because somebody had said something about 129 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: the fact that women we just allow women to do 130 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,559 Speaker 1: everything now, and I said, well, if that's the case, 131 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: and you guys are so great, then you guys handle 132 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: the rest of the show. And I walked off, and 133 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: it was, you know, seen in in in jest, but 134 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: it was truthfully, it was my way of showing my 135 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: kinds of protest, and I had to be very careful. 136 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: You know. Three weeks before I got fired, I came 137 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: out live on my show and said that I was 138 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: in favor of reinstating the assault weapons span that was 139 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: not popular on Fox News. To say that I had 140 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: had it with gun violence. I'm a mom of two kids, 141 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: I lived near Sandy Hook, Connecticut. I know people who 142 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: died six year olds, and I had had it, and 143 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: so I said what I felt. There was a day 144 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: that I came on my show and had no makeup on. 145 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: Because I've always been a supporter of women and girls. 146 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: And I believe that we empower young girls from the 147 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: inside of their souls, not by how they look on 148 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: the outside. I struggled with my weight as a teenager, 149 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: so luckily I built my self esteem from the inside out. 150 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: And that's something that I feel is just a crucial 151 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: message to give to our young girls. That didn't go 152 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: over as being very popular either. So there were these 153 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: small protests that I was doing to keep myself in 154 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: the right frame of mind. And when you say small protests, 155 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: it my whole body feels carbonated right now, if that 156 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: makes sense, Like everything in my body is kind of 157 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 1: buzzing and fizzy, because I know what you mean. Right 158 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: There is an experience when you sit with someone who 159 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: has been through what you've been through, and that kind 160 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: of recognition is so powerful that it can often have 161 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: a physical reaction in the body. And I I know 162 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: from experience, and I'm curious if you've felt this. People 163 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: on the outside don't quite understand how much courage a 164 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: small protest, a quote small protest takes, how risky deviating 165 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: from the line is, how it puts a target on 166 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: your back, and or walking down the hallway with a 167 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: knife in your back, watching the blood dripped down, looking 168 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: over your shoulder, wondering, wondering what's next. And it's interesting 169 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: to me how there seems to be this there seems 170 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: to be cognitive dissonance around the experience of women in 171 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: this case when we talk about the mew too movement, 172 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: and when we talk in a larger framework of employees 173 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: who have courage to step outside the lines in these 174 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: big corporate environments. Because we act as though it's a 175 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: one to one kind of ratio, right like, well, you 176 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: could have done more, you could have said more, Why 177 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: didn't you? Why would you stay? They're all the same 178 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 1: myths sys domestic violence exactly. And what people don't often 179 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: realize is that it's it's a David and Goliath story. 180 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:19,719 Speaker 1: It's it's you as one against tens of thousands. If 181 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: we're thinking about, you know, pressure, and it's it's just 182 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: so it's so infuriating and culturally ingrained to see that's 183 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: the problem. That's what I've learned. It's so culturally ingrained 184 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: that we, for some reason, we'll go to the ends 185 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 1: of the earth to protect a predator. I've seen it, 186 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: I've seen I mean, I just could have never envisioned 187 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: that this was such a pervasive eponemic when I did 188 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: what I did, but I started hearing from thousands of 189 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: women in every profession. It was unbelievable to me because 190 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 1: you assume it's just you, well, you assume it's you 191 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: because they see corporations have figured out a way and 192 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,679 Speaker 1: society to make you feel all alone, right by silencing 193 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: you and putting you in these secret chambers where nobody 194 00:10:58,160 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: ever finds out what happened to you, and they just 195 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: get rid of the troublemaker. Let's get rid of her. 196 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: You know, we've got a totally bass ackwards. It's like, 197 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: wait a minute, what the hell are we firing a 198 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: woman who simply had the courage to come forward, and 199 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: we're going to protect this predator. And guess what, it's 200 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: protecting predators who aren't even the money makers. I've found 201 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: out the really sad, scary state of affairs in our 202 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: country is that will protect also the low end employee 203 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: who's a harasser. I've seen it. So we have a 204 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: lot of soul searching to do as a nation. You know, 205 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: It's why I took the reins of this issue and 206 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: ran with it, because a lot of people said to me, well, 207 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 1: you know, after your case resolved, you could have just 208 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: gone home, spent more time with your dog and your kids. 209 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: And but that's not me. I've always been a fighter, 210 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: and I realized, oh my god, there's so much work 211 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: to be done. So you know, here I am with 212 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: more jobs than I ever had when I was doing 213 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 1: live TV on a daily basis. You know, but it's 214 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: it's all. It's all to help women, and it's all 215 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: to help the next generations. Yeah, and when you really 216 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: see a miscarriage of justice, when you care about justice, 217 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: you can't you can't sleep unless you're working toward it. 218 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: And I know that to your point, we often say, well, 219 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: of course they'll protect someone like a Roger Ales. You know, 220 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: he's he's the bestan of this network. He's this epitome 221 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: of success. And we're so obsessed with success in this 222 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: country that, for whatever reason, when men achieve it, we 223 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: look at them. Is infallible, But I love that you 224 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: bring up the point that the low level, it could 225 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: be an entry level employee who harasses, our assault someone 226 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: who gets protected. Also, because we have this weird subconscious 227 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: generationally ingrained in my in my estimation idea that men 228 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 1: have somehow earned it and women are lucky to be there. 229 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: And if you're there, if you're if you're too smart, 230 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: they'll criticize you. If you're too pretty, they'll tell you 231 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: you're only there because you're a pretty face, and that's 232 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: clearly what paid your way into the room. If you 233 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 1: start making trouble, they'll begin to suggest that your pretty 234 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: face means you must have slept with someone to get 235 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: your job, or at least let them think maybe you 236 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: would because you were playing your quote Feminine Wiles Card. 237 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 1: I mean quite literally, no matter what we do, it's 238 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: not right right. We don't put those kinds of requirements 239 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: on men. I mean, even if you just think about 240 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: what we're supposed to wear to work, If you look 241 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: over the last couple of decades, we're supposed to wear 242 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: a dressed for a feminine side, and then we're supposed 243 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: to wear a pant suit to be more like men, 244 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: and then we were supposed to, you know, go back 245 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: to wearing I don't know, I don't even know what 246 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: we're supposed to wear right now. You know, here's my advice, 247 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: where whatever the hell you want, Yes, but it's just 248 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: this unbelievable. We can't even get we can't even get 249 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: it straight yet to pay women fairly, which is unbelievable 250 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: to me. If you're an O, B, G Y N 251 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 1: and you're delivering babies, I don't really give a rats 252 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: as if you're a man or a woman, although I 253 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: always go to women, but if you're a man or 254 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: a woman, you should be getting the same salary. That's 255 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 1: unbelievable that we're not to that point in time yet 256 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 1: in two thousand nineteen. And it's unbelievable to me that 257 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:04,199 Speaker 1: eight six percent of Americans think we are eight percent 258 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:08,959 Speaker 1: of Americans surveyed believe that the r A passed And 259 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: and people say that's a joke. It's illegal to pay 260 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: men and women differently, And any of us like you 261 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: and I, who are actual data researchers and who work 262 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: in policy arenas, know that there is no legal protection 263 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: guaranteeing women are paid the same and so they're actually not. 264 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: And companies won't make their salaries public because they don't 265 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: want people to find out how much more they pay 266 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: men than But it's so crazy, like when you think 267 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: about it, that men, somehow, some men grow up and 268 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: just think that's okay, that that's that's why I'm doing 269 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: what I'm doing, because I have a teenage daughter and 270 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: I have a teenage son. And here's what I've figured 271 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: out above all else, that it's actually more important to 272 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: get to our young boys than to our young girls 273 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: with these messages because as long as men still predominantly 274 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: run the fortuneies, we need them. We need them to 275 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: understand to be up to speed on the things that 276 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: we were just talking about, so that they will pay 277 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: us fairly and promote us and put us in the boardroom. 278 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: Because guess what doesn't happen when you do that harassment? 279 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: I mean, it's all intertwined. So that's what I found 280 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: out after my lawsuit. You can't just really stand up 281 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: and say, okay, let's stop sexual harassment in the workplace. Okay, 282 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: wait a minute, now, you've got fifteen other jobs. Because 283 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: it's it's intertwining to pay equity, it's intertwined to how 284 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: we raise our boys. It's intertwined to tech companies and 285 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: not having enough women there. Um, it's having just a 286 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: token woman in the boardroom who then straddles the fence 287 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: between being in the men's club and trying to protect 288 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: other women below her. It's complicated, and this is why 289 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: there's there's so much work to do. But we have 290 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: to start with our boys young, because it's too late 291 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: to try and change somebody in their fifties sixties, I think, 292 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: at least from my experience. I'm not trying to be 293 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: a pessimist, but we really need to get to them 294 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: at a young age so that they by the time 295 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: they get into the workplace, they respect women in the 296 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: same way in which they might have looked at their 297 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: mom or their sister. That's my hope, and I have 298 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: to be honest, I get it, and it also infuriates 299 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: me that we have to be described as someone's mom 300 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: or sister or daughter to be respected. It's like I'm 301 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: someone I know why. But you know what, Listen, it's 302 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: it's a start because just from what I just told 303 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: you about like low level employees and how we protect them, 304 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: I mean it's a long road up. Yeah. Well, and 305 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: I love that you said that it's a start, because 306 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: sometimes I think we look at what we want and 307 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: then we criticize the steps that will take to get there. 308 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: And if the first step to beginning to educate men 309 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: on the fact that women deserve I don't know, basic 310 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: rights is to remind them that we are sisters and 311 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: daughters and mothers and friends. Okay, if that has to 312 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: be the first step, we feel like we should be 313 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: past that. But clearly in so many of these arenas 314 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: we aren't. You know, look, I mean, look at the 315 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: last three and a half years. The American public was 316 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: not aware that this kind of ship was still going 317 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: on in the workplace. Okay, they just weren't. And it's 318 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: actually one of the reasons why this movement has continued. 319 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 1: I believe three important things. Social media it allowed after 320 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: my story, and then the me Too movement that came 321 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: a year later. It allowed it to explode, and women 322 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 1: and men could choose to be anonymous or put their 323 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: name and face on it. Okay, number two, the American 324 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,679 Speaker 1: public was pissed. They were like, why have we not 325 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: known about these stories? Well, I can tell you why now. 326 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 1: It's because companies have figured out a way how to 327 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: shove it all into secrecy to cover up their dirty laundry. 328 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: That's how you didn't know about it. And the American 329 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: public thought we had solved this by two thousand, sixteen 330 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 1: seventeen eighteen, nineteen twenty, but we hadn't. And number three, 331 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: the media, The media covered it. If I would have 332 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 1: told you, as a twenty five year plus journalist three 333 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: years ago that the media would actually be voting teams 334 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: of people to cover sexual harassment stories, you would have 335 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: laughed your ass off at me, right, because we didn't 336 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: cover stories like that. We were part of the problem. 337 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 1: But now the media, they're winning poolitzerprises for this, Now 338 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,400 Speaker 1: we're covering it. Those three things have been the perfect 339 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 1: storm to push this movement forward and and keep it alive. 340 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: And when you look at just what people were up 341 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 1: against before this became a popularized conversation, you know, you 342 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: read another another whistle bore, you read run in Pharaoh's book, 343 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 1: and you find out how long that's those stories about 344 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: Harvey had been squashed and and gone through the catch 345 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: and kill procedures and been bought off and paid off 346 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 1: and hidden. And I mean, it's horrifying, and and part 347 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 1: of me I was thinking when I got to the 348 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: end of the book and I was reading about Black 349 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: Cube and all these global organizations that were working to 350 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,719 Speaker 1: take down Harvey's accusers and protect him, I was like, 351 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: you need to assault women that badly that you're willing 352 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:11,199 Speaker 1: to spend millions of dollars and hire military experts to 353 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: try to discredit people who you've assaulted. You You really 354 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: just can't keep your hands in your dick to yourself. Really, 355 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I always said that if serial harassers weren't 356 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: so busy harassing, imagine how much freaking money they'd be 357 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 1: making for their companies. Yeah, how much work they'd get to. 358 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:29,919 Speaker 1: Imagine how much more work they'd get done, because if 359 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 1: they're already really, really successful, imagine if they were actually 360 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: paying attention to what they were actually doing. Oh and, 361 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: by the way, hiring more women, because the bottom line 362 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: is always increased when you have more women in the workforce. 363 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 1: Just look at any McKenzie study to show you that. So, 364 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: you know, having having said that, it's absolutely ridiculous that 365 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: so much time has been spent time and money by 366 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: these predators to to cover up and they were able 367 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: to get away with it for decades, for decades, but 368 00:19:55,600 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: not anymore him. I have so many questions about Fox. Okay, 369 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,239 Speaker 1: you talk about how you had been planning, trying to 370 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 1: figure out and planning how to press charges about what 371 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: you were being subjected to there and then you were 372 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 1: shockingly let go, and then you knew you needed to 373 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 1: act fast because you knew why you were let go, 374 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: and you were let go. I I can say this 375 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: because I've read the reports, and you may not be 376 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 1: able to say yeah, your name, but you were let 377 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: go for rebuffing advances that were sexual in nature and 378 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: grotesquely inappropriate from your boss. Silence, you all understand what's happening. 379 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: She's not allowed to say yes, but I can tell 380 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: you the answers yes exactly. We can all read it, 381 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 1: and so the answers yes when you because you mentioned 382 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: this earlier, your attorneys realized that this would wind up 383 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: in forced arbitration, which would be a secret backdoor, darkest 384 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: day of my life, closed room, goodbye, the world will 385 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: never know. Or you could stand a chance to take 386 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: this guy down for real by suing him personally. What 387 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: was it like when they presented that option to you? Good? 388 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 1: I mean, at this point you know I had made 389 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 1: the decision. Took me a long time to get there. 390 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 1: Luckily I had a very supportive family. I'm still blessed 391 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 1: to have my parents in my life. And I mean, 392 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: no matter how old you you get you, you want 393 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 1: to have their support. Listen, I grew up in a 394 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: small town in Minnesota. It's not like people around there 395 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 1: were used to suing people. There's this thing called Minnesota nice. 396 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: So it took me a while to convince my parents 397 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: and then they finally realized what it was and they 398 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: were like, yeah, we're with you. It's a really emotional 399 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: phone call, and so, you know, yeah, leading leading up 400 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: to that point and then finding out from my lawyers 401 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: that there might be another avenue was it was really 402 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: optimistic for me. And you know, listen, what I could 403 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: have never, ever, ever known how this was all going 404 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 1: to play out. When I jumped off the cliff, I 405 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: did not know what was going to happen the next minute, 406 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 1: much less the next hour, the next day, the next weeks. 407 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:12,239 Speaker 1: So when why Fox announced that day that they were 408 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: going to start an investigation, we were like, holy sh it. 409 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: Really we never expected that. I mean, my lawyer said 410 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: to me, look, they're going to crucify you, and they did, 411 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: but we never never believed that they would start an investigation. 412 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: So that was the first thing. I never thought that 413 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: he'd be fired. Ever happened. Two weeks from the day 414 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:35,719 Speaker 1: then my case was resolved, and it actually was an 415 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 1: incredibly progressive settlement because even then three and a half 416 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: years ago, I got a rare public apology. Nobody ever 417 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: gets that, and by the way, that's all women want 418 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 1: because they want to be validated for what happened to them, 419 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: and you never get it because some people might argue 420 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: that that's an admission of guilt. Yeah, it makes them 421 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: look culpable. So getting that apology was crucial to me, 422 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: and it was so emotional the day that my news 423 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: started trickling out because the news media picked up on 424 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 1: the apology, the headlines where Gretchen Carlson gets a public apology. 425 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 1: And I was getting my nails done because I had 426 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 1: brought my kids to the first day of school and 427 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 1: I was waiting to go to another appointment and I'm 428 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: by myself and this nail slaneteers are coming down my 429 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:21,239 Speaker 1: face and the woman is probably like, who the hell 430 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 1: is this person? And I was crying, not because of 431 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: the resolution. I was crying because I got an apology 432 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,719 Speaker 1: and that the media was picking up on it. I 433 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: also got the ability within the resolution to talk about this, 434 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: which is why I've been doing all the work I've 435 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: been doing trying to pass legislation and the initiative that 436 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: I'm about to tell you about to stop nd as. 437 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 1: I got that ability to become an activist for this issue. Now. 438 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: Had I known at that time that it would start 439 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: a cultural revolution and that the floodgates would open a 440 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,120 Speaker 1: year later with the Me Too movement, and that we 441 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 1: have would make so much progress in a short period 442 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: of time, I would have fought like hell to not 443 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: sign that nd A. But that's the next phase now 444 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: for other women, and that's why I'm trying to do 445 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: what I'm doing now. And the NDAs have always been 446 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: a standard practice. What was a way too? It was 447 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: here was the thought process behind it. Simplistically, Hey, we'll 448 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: we'll pay you some money and then you're going to 449 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 1: sign this. You can never tell anyone what happened, right, 450 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: and then you just go off on your little merry way. 451 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 1: But the part of it that people forget is that 452 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: women never work again. So when people say, oh, well, 453 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: you knew what you were getting into when you signed 454 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 1: the n d A, No, they primarily want to keep 455 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 1: you silent and they give you some money. But that's 456 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 1: because most of the women never work in their chosen 457 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: profession ever. Again, so arguably you're out of money even 458 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,360 Speaker 1: though you get a settlement, right, and so we need 459 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,159 Speaker 1: to eradicate nda s because the only way we're truly 460 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 1: going to resolve this issue is if we continue to 461 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: discuss this openly and have dialogue about it. That is 462 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 1: the only way to solve it and to allow women 463 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 1: to have a voice, which is why I've created with 464 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: my Fox colleague Julie Roginski, Lift Our Voices, which is 465 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 1: our new organization to get people all around the world 466 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: to sign up sign onto our mission to join us 467 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: to make companies not do this to women anymore. We're 468 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 1: to a point right now where women's voices need to 469 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 1: be heard, and we're very hopeful that this initiative is 470 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 1: the next phase of this revolutions so exciting. Thank you. 471 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: So how did the How did it come to me? 472 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: It came to be because I had already been working 473 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 1: on the hill for the last three years to get 474 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 1: rid of forced arbitration clauses, which I'm still incredibly optimistic about. 475 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: You know, have you heard about this thing called impeachment? Yeah, 476 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: it's gotten in the way of We've introduced the bill 477 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 1: to different times, but then with so many shenanigans going 478 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: on politically, um, it's never really made its way to 479 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: the floor. But I did finally testify before the House 480 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: last May, which is a prerequisite for it to come 481 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,159 Speaker 1: to the House floor. So I remained an incredibly optimistic 482 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,920 Speaker 1: and imagine this it's actually bipartisan, because I'm smart enough 483 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,719 Speaker 1: to know after covering politics for so long. But nothing's 484 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: going to pass if it's not bipartisan. It doesn't have 485 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: a chance in hell. And my bill is really simplistic. 486 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: It's only three pages long. It gives women a choice. 487 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 1: Do you want to go to the secret chamber of 488 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 1: arbitration nobody ever hears from you over again, or do 489 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 1: you want to be able to go to your Seventh 490 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: Amendment right of an open jury process for sexual harassment. 491 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: That will be key to really solving this problem. So 492 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: I'm still working really hard on that at the same time, 493 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: in tandem, I'm now fighting to stop nd as. And 494 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 1: how this came about was because NBC, after the run 495 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 1: in Pharaoh Book and Catch and Kill, I guess felt 496 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: under pressure two say that they were going to allow 497 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,159 Speaker 1: women who had signed NDAs there to be able to 498 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 1: be allowed out of them. And that weekend a couple 499 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,120 Speaker 1: of us at Fox who had been forced to sign 500 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: them got together on the phone and we said, well, 501 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 1: what about us? So we went out and did media 502 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: and demanded that Fox let us out of our NDA's 503 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 1: as well, which we have since never heard anything back 504 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: from them. And then that led us to starting lift 505 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: our voices because we realized there were so many women 506 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: out there who have been forced to sign these kinds 507 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: of secret agreements, even not about sexual harassment, about a 508 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: bunch of other stuff, toxic environments in the workplace. What 509 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: kinds of other things are people forced to sign NDAs 510 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 1: over maybe injuries that they incurred, you know, or maybe 511 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: they got really sick over something that was in the workplace, 512 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: or any kind of other discrimination, pay inequity. I mean, 513 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,399 Speaker 1: there's a myriad of other reasons of why. And listen, 514 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: we're not asking just to be clear, because you know, 515 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: trolls out there on Twitter will be like, you know, 516 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,719 Speaker 1: they want they don't want, they want everyone to get 517 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: rid of all their secrets. We're not asking you to 518 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: give us the formula for Coca cola, right, not that 519 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 1: and not that kind of not that kind of an NDA, 520 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: you know, or the big mac recipe. No, this is 521 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: about human rights violations and things that are not supposed 522 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: to be secret that companies want to keep secret. It's 523 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: they're basically, they're they're dirty laundry. The other impetus for 524 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: this was that, you know, these projects have been going 525 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 1: on about my story at Fox, um the miniseries on 526 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: Showtime The Loudest Voice, and then the movie Bombshell, and 527 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 1: I can't participate in these. And so while that's strange 528 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 1: and frustrating, you know, I wanted to have an answer 529 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: to that, And my answer is I couldn't participate in these, 530 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 1: and I don't want other women to not be able 531 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: to participate, debt, to not be able to have a voice. 532 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: And how wild that Naomi Watts who played you in 533 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: The Loudest Voice, and Nicole Kidman who's playing you in 534 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: Bombshell Casual by the way, You're like cool to have 535 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: the best actresses on the planet are just playing so 536 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: how crazy that you don't get to speak to them. 537 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 1: They can't do their jobs. They can't actually do research. 538 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: They have to watch your old interviews, they have to 539 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: read your complaints, they have to dig up what they 540 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: can find of you that's been out in the public sphere. 541 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: They can't sit and have a coffee with you and 542 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 1: hear about how you felt in your body here, about 543 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: the ways in which you were touched or spoken to 544 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: or demeaned or and the list goes on. And that 545 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: as a person who both is passionate about journalism and 546 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: who is an actor as my career, that would make 547 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: me crazy. It's been incredibly difficult. Now. I have become 548 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: friends with Naomi Watts since then, because you could speak 549 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: to her once production was rap, but I could spare, 550 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: you know, technically I could have gotten together with her 551 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: and just said, you know, hey, what's your favorite color? 552 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: I mean, like I could talk to her about anything else, 553 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: but at the point, you know, it would be tortured. Yes, 554 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: So I met her at the premiere of The Loudest Voice, 555 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: and it was really it was fascinating because it was 556 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: like this instant connection because I knew she had done 557 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: so much research on me, and she had played this 558 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: really difficult, painful role, and so she had to immerse 559 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: herself into what she thought I was feeling, which wasn't good. 560 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: And so we had this immediate connection and she wrote 561 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: this beautiful Instagram post about how courageous she felt that 562 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: I was, and it really it was a tribute that 563 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: I'll never ever forget because it really sort of tied 564 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: it up in a nice bow because I couldn't participate 565 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 1: it in it at all, and it was like a 566 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: nice ending and conclusion that she actually understood me and 567 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: everything that it took to to get there. You know. 568 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: But it's it's tough to watch something that was such 569 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: a painful period in your life. Now, Listen, I have 570 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: to take the high road because I wake up every 571 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: morning optimistic about this fight. I were a bracelet on 572 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: my arm that says be Fierce, which is the title 573 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 1: of my book. And I looked down some warnings and 574 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: I go, ship, I don't really feel like it today. 575 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: And then I go, Nope, I gotta gotta do it. 576 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 1: Gotta do it, not necessarily for me, but for everyone 577 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: else out there who doesn't have the same platform that 578 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,719 Speaker 1: I might have. And so I have to look at 579 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: this in the big picture and say, you know, Okay, 580 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 1: this movie bombshell. Couldn't participate, couldn't talk to Nicole Kidman, 581 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 1: couldn't talk to the writer. They take a tremendous amount 582 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: of liberties can't tell you what's true and what's not. 583 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 1: So the big picture is, look, if this continues the conversation, fantastic. 584 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 1: If this helps one more woman to come forward, yes, great, 585 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 1: that's the way I have to look at this. But 586 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: I don't want future generations of women and men to 587 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: be silenced, and that's why I continue to press forward. 588 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: That's really incredible. Thank you, You're welcome. Look in the 589 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: face of my kids when when you say that, I 590 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: think of them when you say that that, Yeah, you're 591 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: a little bit punk rock, which I think people don't 592 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: know about you, but you what way you just are 593 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: like you're you have that fierce like damn the man, 594 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: fuck the system. You're sitting here like you've diamond safety 595 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: pins in your ears. You know, I just got this. 596 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: This was this was Merry Christmas to me. They're very 597 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: cool like you are. You are a little bit punk rock, 598 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 1: which a lot of people might not assume. From a 599 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 1: long time Fox News anchor. Listen, I have been underestimated 600 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 1: my entire your life, and people thought because I worked 601 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: at Fox that I wasn't a supporter of women. I 602 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: have been a registered independent my entire life. At my 603 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: first job, I called my mom and I'm like, Mom, 604 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: holy sh it, women aren't paid the same as men. 605 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: Did you know that? She's like, why do you always 606 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: have to talk about women's rights? Because that was me. 607 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: And then when she became the CEO of a company 608 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 1: first day she called me up. She's like, holy shit, 609 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 1: you're right, we're not paid. I'm like, Mom, stop being 610 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: so naive. This is what I've been trying to tell 611 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: you all along. So but we assume, But we assume, 612 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: like we assume because I grew up in a small 613 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: town of Minnesota, and I'm blond and I'm short that oh, 614 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: I'm just some little lamb, you know, and we are 615 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: so cute and meek and mild. And let me tell 616 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: you something, I am fucking fierce, okay. And I have 617 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: fought tooth and nail my entire life. I've clawed my 618 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: way to the top of anything that I've tried to achieve. 619 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: Because all girls should feel that way, and we should 620 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: be honored for that. We shouldn't be thought of as 621 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 1: aggress of bitches because we're like that. We should be 622 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: empowering like that for the next generation. So, in fact, 623 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 1: the last thing my husband said to me the night 624 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 1: before I filed the lawsuit, in the middle of the 625 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: night when we weren't sleeping, was I really think they 626 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: underestimated you. I was like, yeah, but I've been used 627 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 1: to it, you know, my my whole life. It's all 628 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: part of sexism, it really is. It's all part of 629 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: how we think we know somebody because of the way 630 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: she looks and where she's from and where she works. Right, 631 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 1: and they'll find any reason to demean you. It's funny. 632 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 1: My best guy friends said to me years ago, and 633 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: I've been thinking about getting it tattooed ever since, but 634 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: I just haven't done it. That would be really fierce 635 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: for me. He looked, he looked at me, and he 636 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: was like, you're tiny but mighty. I love that. And 637 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I am, you know, and I 638 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 1: like that. But when women go in and and show 639 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: that part of themselves, especially in the workplace, what's the 640 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: number one thing we're called shive or a bite? I mean, 641 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: this is how as though he is a dirty word, 642 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 1: it is, but it's like salt and pepper hair for men. 643 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 1: Oh they're wise and and you know when they go 644 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 1: in there, listen that study that shows that men go 645 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 1: and ask for a raise when they are only ten 646 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: capable of doing the next job. Women only go and 647 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: ask for a raise when they're nine sure they're capable. 648 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:27,280 Speaker 1: That is a very sad statistic, which makes me realize 649 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: we have a long way to go. It's crazy, and 650 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: I mean to your point, you know, even when you 651 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,800 Speaker 1: talk about the way our looks are perceived. A couple 652 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 1: of weeks ago, there was a whole big, I mean, 653 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: an internet moment happened because Kanu Reeves walked on a 654 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 1: red carpet with his girlfriend. Kiana Reeves is fifty five, 655 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 1: his girlfriend is forty six, but she doesn't dye her hair, 656 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,360 Speaker 1: and she has this like stunning lee beautiful, you know, 657 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:56,320 Speaker 1: sort of Georgia O'Keefe waterfall of silver hair. She looks. 658 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: She looks like a mystical creature. To me, I think 659 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 1: she's just so beautiful. She's an accomplished artist and is 660 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,799 Speaker 1: ten years his junior. And people were like, who is 661 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: that old woman? Kiana Reeves is dating and you and 662 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 1: what's going on? And and then there was this whole 663 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 1: other faction of people saying good for her, should just 664 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 1: be who she is and thank god, you know, good 665 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 1: for him to have an age appropriate girlfriend. And but 666 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 1: people were so shocked by seeing a woman in her 667 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 1: mid forties with gray hair, and I just thought, what 668 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 1: are we doing? Well, this is how we socialize girls 669 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,839 Speaker 1: though from very beginning, of magazines and toys that we 670 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: buy for them, and the you know, the princess culture 671 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 1: and not building your self esteem from the inside out, 672 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 1: which is what I've always tried to do and tried 673 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 1: to preach. So that's what I mean about how much 674 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 1: work we have to do. There's another study that came 675 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 1: out that showed that five year old girls, when you 676 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: ask five year old girls and five year old boys, 677 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 1: you say, this is a smart statement. Who could have 678 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: said it? And at five they say, oh, a man 679 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,719 Speaker 1: or a woman. By the time girls are six, they 680 00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 1: say only men. That's tragic. That So what happens between 681 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 1: five and six? Yes, they go to school. They go 682 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,920 Speaker 1: to school. So even if you have parents who are 683 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 1: home trying to teach quality, right, you go to school. 684 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 1: And predominantly it's women who are teachers. And I'm sure 685 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,879 Speaker 1: that they don't intend to be sending subtle cues at all, 686 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: but it shows how pervasive the way in which we 687 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 1: socialize our girls and our boys is in our society 688 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: because people don't even realize that they're doing it still 689 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 1: and giving off signals and subtle cues that that boys 690 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 1: are smarter and grow up to be and girls have 691 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:41,800 Speaker 1: surpassed boys in education, oh always. And but no woman 692 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,240 Speaker 1: looks in the mirror and thinks, oh, I am an agent. 693 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,120 Speaker 1: I'm a secret agent for the patriarchy. But women have 694 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 1: been cultured to fit into the patriarchy, and thus they 695 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 1: behave in deference to it. So often. One of my 696 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,279 Speaker 1: favorite courses at Stanford actually was took a couple of 697 00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 1: anthropology courses about matriarchs in the African cult sure, and 698 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 1: it was fascinating to just see how how different that is, 699 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,400 Speaker 1: because I remember being dumbfounded, like, whoa, these women are 700 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,759 Speaker 1: in charge? You know when it was really really empowering 701 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,240 Speaker 1: and so fascinating because people would look at those cultures 702 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: and think that they were primitive, right, and yet they 703 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,720 Speaker 1: were actually leaps and bounds ahead of us with regard 704 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,400 Speaker 1: to our quality, you know, very very fast. Not to 705 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 1: be tangential, but it was fascinating for me. Yeah. Likewise, 706 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,719 Speaker 1: I had a really interesting experience I was at a 707 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,239 Speaker 1: lecture recently and this phenomenal woman who does a lot 708 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 1: of work in Silicon valleys, Kindersing, was speaking and she 709 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,760 Speaker 1: has created an organization trying to put more women on boards. 710 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 1: And there will be people listening, and there's people at 711 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,319 Speaker 1: home and people who want to be contrarian who are like, well, 712 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,359 Speaker 1: you know, you got to earn your seat, and it's like, yeah, no, ship, 713 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,839 Speaker 1: women earned them. They just get passed over. And and 714 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 1: if you don't, to our earlier point, diversify a board, 715 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 1: the entire company is a mess and by the way, 716 00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,800 Speaker 1: makes less money. So like gender parody, not only is 717 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 1: more all, but it's a financial upside. So Sue Kinder's 718 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 1: research shows that when one woman makes it into the boardroom, 719 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 1: she's immediately identified as an enemy by all the men 720 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 1: in the room, even just energetically. No one's gonna say, oh, 721 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 1: she's my enemy, but they're like, we've been invaded. When 722 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,359 Speaker 1: there are two women, all the men in the room 723 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 1: look at those two women as though they've ganged up 724 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,560 Speaker 1: on us and they're here to make our life difficult. 725 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,719 Speaker 1: It's only when there are three women in the room 726 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 1: that they become gender neutral and they just become teammates. 727 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,400 Speaker 1: So when people say, oh, we have a woman on 728 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,239 Speaker 1: our board, I'm like, cool, that's like saying that you 729 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 1: have a black person on your board and you think 730 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,719 Speaker 1: your board then could not be racist. It's like you 731 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,160 Speaker 1: have put the person who has been oppressed in in 732 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:49,360 Speaker 1: the glaring view in the target zone of your oppression, 733 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,719 Speaker 1: and you've pretended that you're somehow diversifying. So I'm fascinated 734 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 1: by that that it really requires enough of us in 735 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 1: a space to neutral as our gender in the ideas 736 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,200 Speaker 1: of men so that they just start treating us like people. 737 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,440 Speaker 1: This is why it's a tangled web to fix yes, 738 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 1: which I had no idea of. Yes. So this is 739 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 1: what's interesting. And I normally do this as like my 740 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,800 Speaker 1: second question, but we've just we've just taken the dive 741 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,359 Speaker 1: off the hyghboard, and I'm obsessed with you because it's 742 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,520 Speaker 1: so it's just so interesting what you went through and 743 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,399 Speaker 1: what you've done, what you've done and what you're doing. 744 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 1: But when we talk about childhood, when we talk about 745 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,080 Speaker 1: the environments were raised in, I often love to sit 746 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,480 Speaker 1: across from these accomplished people who I get to interview 747 00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:38,040 Speaker 1: and say, Okay, I know you now and especially for you, 748 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 1: all of your time and media, all of the exposure 749 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 1: after the lawsuit. Everything we can all read and we'll 750 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,320 Speaker 1: link to it. Listeners will will link to your complaints 751 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,440 Speaker 1: so they can really they can read the words you're 752 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,280 Speaker 1: not Unfortunately, you are unfortunately not allowed to say today 753 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 1: until I get out of my exactly. God, I'm counting 754 00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:00,839 Speaker 1: down the days. Um, But I'm curious because you say 755 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,640 Speaker 1: you were just as minded as a kid. Who who 756 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,080 Speaker 1: were you as a little girl? Who was Gretchen at ten? 757 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,440 Speaker 1: Gut gutsy Gretchen? Um? When is that your nickname when 758 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,279 Speaker 1: my brothers weren't. Not it's my own nickname. But when 759 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 1: my brothers were calling me goalpost Gretchen. Because I used 760 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,680 Speaker 1: to be able to fit my pinky finger between my 761 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,719 Speaker 1: two front teeth, I had this massive space. I had 762 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,399 Speaker 1: braces twice, I've had a million teeth pulled. Uh yeah, 763 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,120 Speaker 1: inside story of Gretchen. But again why I built my 764 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,400 Speaker 1: self esteem from the inside out. But but Gutsie was 765 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,080 Speaker 1: sort of you know who I was, according to my 766 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,400 Speaker 1: mom telling me before. I have memories, but really what 767 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,239 Speaker 1: was important? While some of that may have been intrinsic 768 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,440 Speaker 1: my mom told me every single day, you can be 769 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 1: whatever the hell you want in this world, and she 770 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,800 Speaker 1: empowered me to believe that. And she also gave the 771 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,520 Speaker 1: caveat with a hell of a lot of hard work. 772 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,279 Speaker 1: So I learned from a very young age to work 773 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,280 Speaker 1: really hard. I was really serious violinist as a child, 774 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,200 Speaker 1: and I practiced three, four or five hours a day. 775 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,840 Speaker 1: And so that was really my career as a child, 776 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,480 Speaker 1: and it really although I don't play anymore now, it 777 00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,520 Speaker 1: gave me immense discipline and folk us and it gave 778 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,640 Speaker 1: me one of the greatest gifts in life, which is 779 00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,399 Speaker 1: I learned that by putting time into something, you get 780 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 1: better at it. And it built myself confidence and it 781 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,799 Speaker 1: was something nobody could take away from me, so incredibly, 782 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,440 Speaker 1: you know, crucial lessons to I think moving on into 783 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:21,000 Speaker 1: a very difficult world. So in kindergarten I a story 784 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,120 Speaker 1: that I think we'll we'll shape what I ended up 785 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,080 Speaker 1: doing at Fox is that I went to school on 786 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:28,920 Speaker 1: the first day, and back then they used to divide 787 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,040 Speaker 1: you into groups of kids who could read and couldn't read, 788 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,560 Speaker 1: and they put me in the group of could not read. 789 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 1: But I knew how to read, so I went up 790 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,120 Speaker 1: to my teacher's desk three times that day and I said, 791 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,200 Speaker 1: but Mrs gross Line, I know how to read. And 792 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:41,800 Speaker 1: she was a nice woman, but she pooh pooed me, 793 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,400 Speaker 1: and she said, just go back and sit in that group. 794 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,960 Speaker 1: I can still feel myself running home from school that 795 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:47,880 Speaker 1: day and slamming the back door of my house and 796 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,680 Speaker 1: screaming for my mom and telling her what happened, and 797 00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,680 Speaker 1: she called the school and the next day I was 798 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,480 Speaker 1: in the right group. But I shared that story because 799 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,040 Speaker 1: what would have happened to my educational trajectory had I 800 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,680 Speaker 1: not spoken up that day at five, I would have 801 00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,360 Speaker 1: forever thought, oh, well, even though I can do something, 802 00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,160 Speaker 1: if if somebody superior to me puts me in a 803 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,360 Speaker 1: certain place, then I should just stay there and be quiet. 804 00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,360 Speaker 1: And instead I used my voice. And so I think 805 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,600 Speaker 1: from a young age, you know, a couple that with 806 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,840 Speaker 1: getting up in front of big audiences and doing violent 807 00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,480 Speaker 1: competitions at a young age and performing on stages, and 808 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,960 Speaker 1: that took a tremendous amount of guts, and then other 809 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,720 Speaker 1: things in my in my life. I think that led 810 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,680 Speaker 1: to giving me the courage to do what I did 811 00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:34,040 Speaker 1: all those years later. At Fox. So I do think 812 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:38,520 Speaker 1: upbringing has, you know, a tremendous amount of impact on 813 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,160 Speaker 1: how you see the world, obviously, but whether or not 814 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,719 Speaker 1: it gives you courage, whether or not it makes you 815 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,600 Speaker 1: realize that you have a voice, and it matters whether 816 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,879 Speaker 1: or not you realize that people are equal. Upbringing, to me, 817 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:55,360 Speaker 1: was was essential in who I became. That's so cool. 818 00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,680 Speaker 1: How old were you when you tuck up the violence six? 819 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:03,440 Speaker 1: Which was late by like by Prodigy standards. Yeah, because 820 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,080 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of kids start playing when they're 821 00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,080 Speaker 1: three or four. But there's kind of an argument about it, 822 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,080 Speaker 1: and people in the music world think that that six 823 00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,280 Speaker 1: is probably your pretty goodag because it's when you're starting 824 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,160 Speaker 1: to read and notes. Seeing notes and seeing letters are 825 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,880 Speaker 1: very similar in your brain, and if you start that 826 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,799 Speaker 1: too early, it can be confusing for the brain. So yeah, 827 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,479 Speaker 1: so so, and it just clicked, like I had no idea. 828 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,760 Speaker 1: I actually wanted to play piano, and the piano teacher 829 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,120 Speaker 1: looked at my hands and she was like, oh, your 830 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:29,960 Speaker 1: hands are way too small. You'll never be any good. 831 00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,120 Speaker 1: And so, by a fluke, she sent me up to 832 00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,480 Speaker 1: the school and I looked at all the string instruments 833 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,320 Speaker 1: hanging on the wall, and I was like, holy crap. 834 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,560 Speaker 1: The bass is too big for me. The cello is 835 00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,520 Speaker 1: too big for me, the viola is too big for me. 836 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,680 Speaker 1: The violins the smallest one. I think I'll try that. 837 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,880 Speaker 1: And that's how it started. And by the way, I 838 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,600 Speaker 1: do play the piano now, but and I still actually 839 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,680 Speaker 1: play the piano, and I don't play the violin because 840 00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,520 Speaker 1: I never competed with the piano and there's too much 841 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,799 Speaker 1: pain and emotion involved in picking up the violin now 842 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,279 Speaker 1: because I'll never ever, ever, ever be anywhere near as 843 00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,160 Speaker 1: good as I was when I was fourteen. It's not 844 00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,640 Speaker 1: like riding a bike. You. I can still see all 845 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,920 Speaker 1: the notes in my head, but I can't play them, 846 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,800 Speaker 1: so it's painful. So I don't know I should I 847 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,520 Speaker 1: should go back to it, because my dad would really 848 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,880 Speaker 1: love for me to go back to it. But anyway, 849 00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,839 Speaker 1: I it was essential in my life to teach me 850 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,359 Speaker 1: discipline and self pride and things that people can't take 851 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,239 Speaker 1: from you. When you say it's painful to not be 852 00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:31,000 Speaker 1: able to play the way you could, I'm interested in 853 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,640 Speaker 1: that because you you also speak about it with such 854 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,200 Speaker 1: love and such affection. You light up when you talk 855 00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:41,960 Speaker 1: about playing music, and and you said that it was 856 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,000 Speaker 1: something that taught you that you could always get better practicing, 857 00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,719 Speaker 1: and that gave you discipline, not to say, obviously you 858 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,319 Speaker 1: need to be putting yourself through these disciplined hoops at 859 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,960 Speaker 1: this you know time in your life. You have plenty 860 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,600 Speaker 1: of other things that are requiring your effort. But so 861 00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:57,800 Speaker 1: now I can I can go binge, stream watch something. 862 00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:59,520 Speaker 1: I mean, hey, how do you feel like it's fair? 863 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:05,480 Speaker 1: But I guess I'm curious. Where do you think the 864 00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:10,160 Speaker 1: hurdle comes in in just being able to enjoy it? Why? Why? 865 00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:11,920 Speaker 1: Why does it? Why do you think it has to 866 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,520 Speaker 1: be a thing that you prove a level of skill? 867 00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,120 Speaker 1: Is it is that the overachiever in you? Is that 868 00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,920 Speaker 1: the the professional in you? What what puts the roadblock 869 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,359 Speaker 1: in front of the violin? But not the piano? Because 870 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,480 Speaker 1: I never competed with the piano, So I was never 871 00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,680 Speaker 1: set to any standard or competitive levels. So now when 872 00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,160 Speaker 1: I go sit down and play and I suck, it's 873 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,399 Speaker 1: like who cares? It's it's much more. You know, it's 874 00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,960 Speaker 1: tough when you've achieved a certain level of something at 875 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,920 Speaker 1: such a young age. And and listen. I vicariously still 876 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,239 Speaker 1: do all my music through my children. My children are 877 00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:47,720 Speaker 1: accomplished pianists, and I don't begin to make them practice 878 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,000 Speaker 1: like I had to practice. I probably should, but I don't. 879 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,319 Speaker 1: Kids are just way too busy these days, much more 880 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,360 Speaker 1: so than when I was growing up. But I I 881 00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,400 Speaker 1: you know, I don't play, but I do in the 882 00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,560 Speaker 1: way that I've transferred passion to everything else I do 883 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,160 Speaker 1: in my life. People used to say to me, well, 884 00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,000 Speaker 1: you were a serious musician and that was going to 885 00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:07,720 Speaker 1: be your career, and then you ended up in television. 886 00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,640 Speaker 1: How are those similar? And I say they're really similar, 887 00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,480 Speaker 1: because it's it's like seeing the red light come on 888 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,480 Speaker 1: on the cameras, that same feeling of walking out on 889 00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:20,480 Speaker 1: stage and being the soloist. It's it's that same comfort 890 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:26,000 Speaker 1: zone of being a performer or a communicator. And so 891 00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,800 Speaker 1: there's a lot of similarities. And I can still draw 892 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,000 Speaker 1: on that experience without actually playing the violin every day. 893 00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,000 Speaker 1: That's so interesting. So where did that take you? You 894 00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,400 Speaker 1: started playing at six and you were saying you were 895 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:41,000 Speaker 1: obviously you set some sort of incredible standard by fourteen. 896 00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,280 Speaker 1: What what's the what's the journey? There, well, I didn't 897 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,880 Speaker 1: intend to at all. My parents just kept moving me 898 00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,920 Speaker 1: to different teachers because I was excelling at the craft. 899 00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,400 Speaker 1: I eventually was studying with the teacher at Juilliard in 900 00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,160 Speaker 1: New York City, and I was, you know, performing for 901 00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:58,719 Speaker 1: the top violinists in the world, starting when I was 902 00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,799 Speaker 1: ten years old. But then I burned out when I 903 00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,400 Speaker 1: was seventeen. And you know, a lot of if you 904 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,879 Speaker 1: look at a lot of gymnasts or figure skaters, where 905 00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:10,319 Speaker 1: there's these sort of solo tennis players, solo kind of 906 00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:14,600 Speaker 1: competitive things, it can be very isolating. And I loved 907 00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,600 Speaker 1: so many other things in life. I loved being in 908 00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,880 Speaker 1: school plays. I loved being in singing groups at school. 909 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:25,600 Speaker 1: I liked boys. I really thrived academically, and I realized 910 00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:27,600 Speaker 1: at that young age that for me to become what 911 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,760 Speaker 1: I wanted to become in music, which was a famous 912 00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,240 Speaker 1: concert artist, that I would have to give up everything 913 00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,359 Speaker 1: else in my life. And I wasn't willing to do 914 00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,800 Speaker 1: that because I just enjoyed too many other things. So 915 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,520 Speaker 1: I quit and my parents were devastated, and and then 916 00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,120 Speaker 1: I went off to an academic college and went to 917 00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:48,480 Speaker 1: Stanford and really focused on my my academics. So you know, 918 00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:52,520 Speaker 1: I don't regret quitting the violin at all, because I 919 00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,000 Speaker 1: have used it as a platform to to go on 920 00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,920 Speaker 1: to do other things in my life. And listen, my 921 00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,920 Speaker 1: life is a testament to that life works in mysterious ways, 922 00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,759 Speaker 1: and that if anyone's listening, they've had a hard time 923 00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:06,480 Speaker 1: in their life or they feel like they're not on 924 00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,640 Speaker 1: the right path or direction. My life is one to 925 00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:12,200 Speaker 1: look at for optimism because I've gone in so many 926 00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,960 Speaker 1: different directions and recreated myself and I'm currently back now 927 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:20,080 Speaker 1: in a recreation mode, you know, And really what's at 928 00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:25,319 Speaker 1: the center of finding happiness and success is understanding how 929 00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,440 Speaker 1: to recreate yourself and feeling okay with these diversions in 930 00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,440 Speaker 1: the path. So I think sometimes we put so much 931 00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,000 Speaker 1: emphasis in our society about knowing what you want to 932 00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:37,880 Speaker 1: do and sticking to it, and and that's a disservice 933 00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,640 Speaker 1: to people out there who have a lot of fantastic 934 00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:44,040 Speaker 1: ideas and interests and you can always change who you are, 935 00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,520 Speaker 1: and especially for moms who maybe want to get back 936 00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,200 Speaker 1: in the workforce, it's a really fantastic message that you're 937 00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,080 Speaker 1: worth it. Well. I started thinking about it in these 938 00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,040 Speaker 1: terms just being a bit of a data science nerd 939 00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:59,800 Speaker 1: and loving technology. We laud innovation. We love innovation. We 940 00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:04,160 Speaker 1: of a new app, a new technology, you know, the 941 00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,440 Speaker 1: next stage of something. Yet we don't make space for 942 00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:11,279 Speaker 1: innovation in our own lives. And if we treated ourselves 943 00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:19,920 Speaker 1: like startups or tech platforms or anything in those arenas, 944 00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,960 Speaker 1: we could realize that we could have so many iterations, 945 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,440 Speaker 1: We could have so many versions of ourselves in our lives. 946 00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,880 Speaker 1: You could become an incredibly accomplished musician and then decide 947 00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,719 Speaker 1: you want to be incredibly accomplished at some other creative thing, 948 00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,000 Speaker 1: and why not. But I think sometimes for women to 949 00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:40,120 Speaker 1: we get caught in this box of not taking risks right. 950 00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,960 Speaker 1: And that's my biggest piece of advice to young women 951 00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,640 Speaker 1: is to step outside the line and to color outside 952 00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:49,680 Speaker 1: of the lines and step outside of the box. Because 953 00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,279 Speaker 1: that was the biggest piece of advice that I got 954 00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,359 Speaker 1: early on in my television career was to try and 955 00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,160 Speaker 1: do my live reports different than other people out there, 956 00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,520 Speaker 1: so that I would take that risk and be my 957 00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:04,319 Speaker 1: own individual. And it was really tough to do. It 958 00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,560 Speaker 1: was hard because especially in news, you don't want to 959 00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,279 Speaker 1: make a mistake but I think women are and girls 960 00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:13,000 Speaker 1: are socialized to live up to this perfection standard and 961 00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:17,760 Speaker 1: to stay in inside the lanes. And so my biggest 962 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:19,880 Speaker 1: piece of advice is to be a little bit of 963 00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,560 Speaker 1: a renegade. And the thing that happens when you step 964 00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,960 Speaker 1: across the line and you come out okay, you can 965 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:28,879 Speaker 1: look in the mirror and go ship. I did that, 966 00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,400 Speaker 1: and that builds your self confidence even more so the 967 00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,719 Speaker 1: next time you go a little bit more and and 968 00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,399 Speaker 1: through that, I believe that you actually achieved much more 969 00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,719 Speaker 1: success in your life because you become so much more 970 00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,799 Speaker 1: proud of yourself and you're not just living in this 971 00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,680 Speaker 1: very sheltered way in which society has deemed that is 972 00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:47,759 Speaker 1: appropriate for you to do. I love the way that 973 00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,600 Speaker 1: you talk about things, in the way that you observe them. 974 00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,040 Speaker 1: Do you think, because you know, obviously, going through and 975 00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:57,720 Speaker 1: doing my research, I know that you went from symphony 976 00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:01,800 Speaker 1: orchestras to as you said, academicly achieving being the valedictorian 977 00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,080 Speaker 1: of your class. And then this is the thing that 978 00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,480 Speaker 1: really boggles my mind and makes me excited. You went 979 00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:13,680 Speaker 1: to Stanford and you studied organizational behavior. And so sometimes 980 00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:15,960 Speaker 1: when you talk about the way systems are organized. I'm like, 981 00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,200 Speaker 1: oh my god, I love the way that your brain works. 982 00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:22,040 Speaker 1: What pushed you into wanting to study organizational behavior and 983 00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,560 Speaker 1: what do you think now in hindsight? Your big takeaways 984 00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,640 Speaker 1: have been because on the day that I had to 985 00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:28,719 Speaker 1: declare my major, I was out of options and I 986 00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:32,640 Speaker 1: had to choose something amazing. And luckily at Stanford, you 987 00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:34,759 Speaker 1: you didn't have to declare until you were junior, which 988 00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,520 Speaker 1: was really really late. In this listen, I had declared 989 00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,879 Speaker 1: my major a million times. This proves my point about 990 00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:41,560 Speaker 1: who I am and why I couldn't just stick with 991 00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,359 Speaker 1: the violin. I was a humbio major because I wanted 992 00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,160 Speaker 1: to be a doctor until I realized I passed out 993 00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,200 Speaker 1: when I see blood. Oh great, so that wasn't gonna work. 994 00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:50,799 Speaker 1: Then I was going to be a lawyer, which I 995 00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:52,640 Speaker 1: still was going to do. I actually took the l 996 00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,840 Speaker 1: sets and then that didn't materialize, and then I was 997 00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,040 Speaker 1: going to be an industrial engineer. But I didn't really 998 00:51:58,080 --> 00:51:59,680 Speaker 1: want to do all the calculus and all that stuff 999 00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:01,280 Speaker 1: that came along with that once I got to college. 1000 00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,360 Speaker 1: So organizational behavior was kind of a nice compositive of 1001 00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,440 Speaker 1: that because it's kind of like a problem solving major. 1002 00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,319 Speaker 1: So I would have been like a corporate consultant had 1003 00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,719 Speaker 1: I used my major um And back when I was 1004 00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,919 Speaker 1: graduating from college, it was either big careers were going 1005 00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:18,560 Speaker 1: into finance or going into being a consultant for firms, 1006 00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,560 Speaker 1: a problem solver like at McKenzie or something like that. 1007 00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,920 Speaker 1: And that's truly who I am at heart. Is that 1008 00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,440 Speaker 1: and it's very similar to journalism actually, because it's like 1009 00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,160 Speaker 1: asking a lot of questions and getting to the bottom 1010 00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,879 Speaker 1: of things, the same thing as being a lawyer. So 1011 00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,880 Speaker 1: all of those things actually fit me perfectly. Like my 1012 00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:36,120 Speaker 1: husband will say to me all the time, why do 1013 00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,080 Speaker 1: you have to ask so many questions? I'm like, well, 1014 00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,440 Speaker 1: because that's the job I do, and that's who I 1015 00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:45,040 Speaker 1: am at heart. So organizational behavior. I'm also incredibly organized, 1016 00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,160 Speaker 1: I hate to admit, but that's not really what the 1017 00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,840 Speaker 1: major is. The major is really looking at an issue 1018 00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,160 Speaker 1: from the outside and figuring out how to make it 1019 00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,279 Speaker 1: easier for somebody and solving it for them. And that's 1020 00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,560 Speaker 1: a lot what what journalism is like to it's asking 1021 00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,239 Speaker 1: a lot of questions and getting to the heart of 1022 00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:03,279 Speaker 1: the matter. So it was actually a really it was 1023 00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,920 Speaker 1: a good, good major for me. I didn't use it 1024 00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:09,799 Speaker 1: at all in the corporate world, but I think that's 1025 00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:13,720 Speaker 1: another great lesson for young people, like stop obsessing about 1026 00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:15,239 Speaker 1: what you're supposed to do or what you think you 1027 00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:19,400 Speaker 1: are whatever, it will work out. I what I always 1028 00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,960 Speaker 1: want to encourage people to do, similarly to your talking 1029 00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,640 Speaker 1: about studying organizational behavior, I want to push young people, 1030 00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:32,040 Speaker 1: college students into studying in arenas that will make them 1031 00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:38,760 Speaker 1: better critical thinkers. Study subjects that give you nuance, perspective, 1032 00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,960 Speaker 1: that allow you to analyze and and to have your 1033 00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:45,480 Speaker 1: own thought, because that's how you become an asset in 1034 00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,160 Speaker 1: a work environment, exactly as as long as you're allowed 1035 00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:53,360 Speaker 1: to speak, which brings us full circle asterisk, big bat asterisk. Yes. 1036 00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:06,160 Speaker 1: So so how did you end up going into TV? 1037 00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,680 Speaker 1: Oh gosh, well, this is a long, you know, secuitist story. 1038 00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,040 Speaker 1: So my parents were upset that I wasn't playing the 1039 00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,960 Speaker 1: violin anymore. So I was studying at Oxford at the 1040 00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,279 Speaker 1: time for a semester and I got a call from 1041 00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,160 Speaker 1: my mom and she said, I just got this for 1042 00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,120 Speaker 1: sure in the mail, and it's from the Miss America 1043 00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:25,520 Speaker 1: organization and it says that fifty percent of a candidate's 1044 00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,359 Speaker 1: points are based on talent, and you have that, so 1045 00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,719 Speaker 1: you should start playing the violin again and is on 1046 00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:35,759 Speaker 1: interview and you're smart, so I think you should do this. Yeah, 1047 00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:39,600 Speaker 1: dead silence, I said, are you nuts? I am. I 1048 00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:41,880 Speaker 1: was a tomboy growing up. As I told you earlier, 1049 00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:45,160 Speaker 1: I struggled with my weight. I'm short, classical violin had 1050 00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:49,080 Speaker 1: never won. I'm from Minnesota, it's not really a pageant state. 1051 00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,239 Speaker 1: I had a lot of things going against me from 1052 00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,680 Speaker 1: what I thought in the pageant world. And but my mom's, 1053 00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:57,279 Speaker 1: you know, incredibly convincing person, and she believed in me. 1054 00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:02,600 Speaker 1: So I dropped out of Stanford senior year and decided 1055 00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:04,800 Speaker 1: at that point that I would go full steam ahead, 1056 00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:08,840 Speaker 1: you know, towards this particular goal. And you know, listen, 1057 00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,160 Speaker 1: it happens to to work out. I became the first 1058 00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:15,680 Speaker 1: classical violinist ever to achieve that goal still to this day, 1059 00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:19,720 Speaker 1: and it taught me amazing communications skills. It's the hardest 1060 00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:21,759 Speaker 1: job I'll ever have as a two year old being 1061 00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:25,839 Speaker 1: Miss America. Yes, I was also introduced to the world 1062 00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:29,799 Speaker 1: of being bullied the minute that I became a unfortunately 1063 00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:32,319 Speaker 1: by other women, and there was a female reporter at 1064 00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:36,000 Speaker 1: my first press conference who deliberately dubbed me the smart 1065 00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:39,400 Speaker 1: Miss America, but in a mocking way, and then gave 1066 00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,080 Speaker 1: me a series of questions like a test during my 1067 00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,360 Speaker 1: first press conference to try and take me down. And 1068 00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,880 Speaker 1: they were questions like, who's on the fifty dollar bill, 1069 00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:49,520 Speaker 1: who's on the hundred dollar bill? You know what you're 1070 00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:51,319 Speaker 1: to the Vietnam War? And do you know what chap 1071 00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,799 Speaker 1: of quittic is? With Ted Kennedy owned by the way, 1072 00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,120 Speaker 1: Number nineteen, have you ever done drugs? And number twenty 1073 00:55:56,160 --> 00:56:00,000 Speaker 1: have you ever had sex? And the entire New York 1074 00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,000 Speaker 1: City Press corps bowed her, which, as you know, the 1075 00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:06,200 Speaker 1: New York City Press court doesn't boo. So it was 1076 00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,359 Speaker 1: like alarming to me that this woman was taking me 1077 00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,480 Speaker 1: down like this. It was like my resume just evaporated 1078 00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:16,319 Speaker 1: overnight and all of my accomplishments, and so I'm not 1079 00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:20,719 Speaker 1: a huge believer in revenge. However, I saw her ten 1080 00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,600 Speaker 1: years later and we were both covering the same event 1081 00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,799 Speaker 1: in New York City and have you ever had one 1082 00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,120 Speaker 1: of those moments in your life where you think to yourself, 1083 00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:32,399 Speaker 1: should I? You know? Could I? This is about being 1084 00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,400 Speaker 1: a gutsy Gretchen right, And I decided when I got 1085 00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:36,759 Speaker 1: done with my live reports that I was going to 1086 00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,920 Speaker 1: approach her, and my heart was racing out of my chest. 1087 00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:41,960 Speaker 1: And I marched up to her, and I put my 1088 00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,480 Speaker 1: hand out and I said, Hi, Penny. I said, I'm 1089 00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:48,000 Speaker 1: Gretchen Carlson. You probably don't remember who I am, but 1090 00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,520 Speaker 1: about ten years ago you tried to take me down 1091 00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:52,839 Speaker 1: at a press conference. And I just want to let 1092 00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,360 Speaker 1: you know right now that I'm a correspondent for CBS 1093 00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,319 Speaker 1: News and you're not. And then I marched away as 1094 00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,520 Speaker 1: fast as I could, and it felt so good. It 1095 00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:05,439 Speaker 1: felt so good, and I'm literally sitting here at my 1096 00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:10,440 Speaker 1: arms and yeah, oh god, that's great. Good for you. 1097 00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:14,279 Speaker 1: You know, Listen, there are moments in every person's life. 1098 00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,320 Speaker 1: Whenever I tell that story, people are like, oh, yeah, 1099 00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,480 Speaker 1: I can think about ten other things that I've done 1100 00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,880 Speaker 1: in my life, and I wish I would have that opportunity. 1101 00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:24,760 Speaker 1: You know. Listen, it's about taking your power back and 1102 00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:28,360 Speaker 1: and somebody tries to wrong you like that for no 1103 00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:32,280 Speaker 1: good reason. Listen, that stayed with me. It stayed with me. 1104 00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:35,480 Speaker 1: It's still with me my whole life. To humiliate me 1105 00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,880 Speaker 1: like that and and try to subjugate me into some 1106 00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:40,960 Speaker 1: sort of power struggle like that and make me look 1107 00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:45,200 Speaker 1: like an idiot. Women, women and men don't deserve that, 1108 00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,160 Speaker 1: because when people really come for you and they really 1109 00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:51,959 Speaker 1: cut you to the core, that wound leaves a scar, 1110 00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:55,680 Speaker 1: and everybody says, well, what does it matter? But nobody 1111 00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:57,640 Speaker 1: knows what it's like until they're on the receiving end 1112 00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,320 Speaker 1: of it. Nobody knows when when you bring up, you know, 1113 00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:02,960 Speaker 1: internet trolls. Some of the things that I've been through 1114 00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,520 Speaker 1: with people on the Internet have actually changed me as 1115 00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:10,520 Speaker 1: a person, and that's something I can't undo. The way 1116 00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:18,080 Speaker 1: I react in public spaces, the the increased paranoia I 1117 00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:21,000 Speaker 1: feel in certain avenues like that will never leave me 1118 00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:24,600 Speaker 1: because things have happened, and people forget that they can 1119 00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:30,040 Speaker 1: have a lasting impact on you. That is harmful, especially 1120 00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:33,840 Speaker 1: when that was so public. Yes, I know those Internet 1121 00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,640 Speaker 1: rolls are sitting in their basements. I mean, and I 1122 00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,439 Speaker 1: used to respond to Internet trolls, but no, you can't. Well, 1123 00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,080 Speaker 1: but no, no, I would do it in a funny way. 1124 00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,360 Speaker 1: I would if they would, you know, comment on my 1125 00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:44,960 Speaker 1: looks or something like that, I would say, oh, I'm 1126 00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,240 Speaker 1: sure you're a perfect ten. And then often I would 1127 00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,680 Speaker 1: right back and I would be like, if they said 1128 00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:51,840 Speaker 1: something horrible, I'd be like, wow, you're sounds like you're 1129 00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,680 Speaker 1: really having a bad day. You know. Um, I'll think 1130 00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:56,240 Speaker 1: about you and hope that it gets better. And then 1131 00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:57,840 Speaker 1: they would write back, oh, I didn't I didn't really 1132 00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:00,400 Speaker 1: mean what I said. It's amazing how people can you 1133 00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,480 Speaker 1: can turn them around by treating them well. Now listen, 1134 00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:04,760 Speaker 1: I don't have time to do that all that. I 1135 00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:06,800 Speaker 1: just do it like as my own social experiment to 1136 00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,840 Speaker 1: see what would happen I've done that, and and people 1137 00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:11,680 Speaker 1: will say, well, don't respond. I'm like, you didn't see 1138 00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:15,080 Speaker 1: the n didn't respect. Every once in a while, I 1139 00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:17,520 Speaker 1: have to one of my favorite things when someone's being 1140 00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:21,800 Speaker 1: really nastiest, to go, huh you seem nice. Yeah, exactly. 1141 00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:23,480 Speaker 1: And the problem is, after I've had a couple of 1142 00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:26,680 Speaker 1: glasses of chardonnay, you should not let me near Twitter, yeah, 1143 00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:28,440 Speaker 1: because because then I look at some of them, I'm 1144 00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:31,520 Speaker 1: you know, my apprehension about saying something goes down a 1145 00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:33,840 Speaker 1: little bit. So I'm never a good idea to go 1146 00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:37,000 Speaker 1: on and talk to trolls then, But but anyway, so life, 1147 00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,320 Speaker 1: you know, that experience was was life changing for me 1148 00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:44,160 Speaker 1: and really made me strong as as a person. And 1149 00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,520 Speaker 1: I ended up doing so much television during that year. 1150 00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:50,120 Speaker 1: And I sort of had this idea of television in 1151 00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:52,200 Speaker 1: the back of my mind from my music career because 1152 00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:54,800 Speaker 1: stories had been done about me, so I was I 1153 00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,000 Speaker 1: had a little bit of knowledge about TV. And then 1154 00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,520 Speaker 1: it just really heightened that for me. And I did 1155 00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:01,760 Speaker 1: this this show where it was called Bloopers and Practical 1156 01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,400 Speaker 1: Jokes It's Before Your Time, and Dick Clark and Ed 1157 01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:07,840 Speaker 1: McMahon played a practical joke on me and I didn't 1158 01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:09,800 Speaker 1: know what was happening. And then so I had to 1159 01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:12,120 Speaker 1: talk about this satellite system for fourteen minutes that was 1160 01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:15,680 Speaker 1: really complicated and I knew nothing about it. And when 1161 01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:19,000 Speaker 1: the show aired, TV agents called me and they were like, 1162 01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:21,080 Speaker 1: if you can do that, you can do TV. Have 1163 01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:23,640 Speaker 1: you ever thought about it? Wow? And I was like really, 1164 01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,400 Speaker 1: because I was watching the show in my hotel room 1165 01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,120 Speaker 1: with like the covers over my eyes because I was 1166 01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:31,400 Speaker 1: so embarrassed even sitting there by myself, and it's it's 1167 01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:34,200 Speaker 1: it's another example of how what you perceived to be 1168 01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:37,720 Speaker 1: a negative life experience actually turns into this amazing new 1169 01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:40,720 Speaker 1: avenue and path. So I ended up in TV, but 1170 01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:42,720 Speaker 1: I knew my l SATs were good for five years, 1171 01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,919 Speaker 1: so if the TV thing didn't work for the first 1172 01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:47,960 Speaker 1: couple of jobs, I could still go back to law school. 1173 01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,280 Speaker 1: And then I just ended up. I continued to move. 1174 01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:52,360 Speaker 1: I went to Richmond, Virginia for my first job. Then 1175 01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:54,400 Speaker 1: I went to Cincinnati. Then I went to Cleveland. Then 1176 01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:55,760 Speaker 1: I went to Dallas, and then I went to New 1177 01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,640 Speaker 1: York City to work for CBS and then eventually at 1178 01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,720 Speaker 1: at Fox. So, like I said, my life has worked 1179 01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:08,120 Speaker 1: in mysterious ways, very mysterious. So when you started your 1180 01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:12,720 Speaker 1: career as a political reporter, what what was the industry 1181 01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:16,200 Speaker 1: like for women at that time? Are you noticing things 1182 01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:18,280 Speaker 1: that are getting pushed under the rug? Is it that 1183 01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:22,080 Speaker 1: over funny you should ask? So, first of all, I 1184 01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:24,479 Speaker 1: got a new boss who was a woman, who made 1185 01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:26,880 Speaker 1: me the political reporter. I was only twenty three years old, 1186 01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:29,880 Speaker 1: and there were I don't know, I don't think there 1187 01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:31,840 Speaker 1: were any other women covering the governor at that time 1188 01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:34,240 Speaker 1: in the state of Virginia. So that was, you know, 1189 01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:36,800 Speaker 1: a huge sink or swim moment for me. But one 1190 01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:38,560 Speaker 1: of the first stories that I covered was the Anita 1191 01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:43,200 Speaker 1: Hill hearings, and I remember being mortified that they attacked 1192 01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:45,800 Speaker 1: her and didn't believe her. And then I was promptly 1193 01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:49,919 Speaker 1: sexually harassed on the job. What happened so by a photographer. 1194 01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:51,680 Speaker 1: We had gone out to do a story in the 1195 01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:54,200 Speaker 1: rural part of the state, and when we got back 1196 01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:56,520 Speaker 1: in the car, he this is before cell phones, by 1197 01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:59,400 Speaker 1: the way, just to put it in place. How fearful 1198 01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,840 Speaker 1: I was. He started asking me how I had liked 1199 01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:05,840 Speaker 1: it when he put the Lavalier microphone up my shirt 1200 01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:09,840 Speaker 1: and touched my breasts, and I was panicked sitting in 1201 01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,240 Speaker 1: the passenger seat, and then it went. It went downhill 1202 01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:16,200 Speaker 1: from there, and I actually envisioned myself opening up the 1203 01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:19,000 Speaker 1: passenger door and rolling out of the car like I 1204 01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:22,040 Speaker 1: had seen in movies. Perfect person to talk to about that, 1205 01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:24,439 Speaker 1: And then I was wondering how much that would hurt. 1206 01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,600 Speaker 1: So I ultimately didn't didn't do that, but I was 1207 01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:30,160 Speaker 1: shaking like a leaf and not a lot rattles me. 1208 01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:32,920 Speaker 1: And I got back to the newsroom and I was shaking, 1209 01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:37,360 Speaker 1: and to his credit, the interim news director at the 1210 01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:39,840 Speaker 1: time was a man, and he kept approaching me and 1211 01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:42,400 Speaker 1: asking me what was wrong, and I didn't want to 1212 01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:48,640 Speaker 1: tell him, obviously, and he finally coaxed me into into 1213 01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:52,680 Speaker 1: telling him. But that was, you know, a bizarre experience 1214 01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:55,560 Speaker 1: to be new in the business. Realized that women were 1215 01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:59,360 Speaker 1: not paid fairly, expressed that to my mom, then watched 1216 01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,440 Speaker 1: the Anita Hill hearings, wonder why the hell they were 1217 01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:03,800 Speaker 1: treating her like crap, and then go out on a 1218 01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:06,640 Speaker 1: story and be sexually harassed, and I was like, WHOA, 1219 01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:11,040 Speaker 1: Welcome to the real world. So I guess my Miss 1220 01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:15,560 Speaker 1: America experience quite frankly prepared me for those kind of 1221 01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:19,920 Speaker 1: tough experiences, and um, I was fortunate enough to not 1222 01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:22,920 Speaker 1: face that for my next you know, my next three 1223 01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:25,480 Speaker 1: or four jobs until I got to Fox. So the 1224 01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:28,520 Speaker 1: next couple of jobs were great. Yeah, Oh, I learned. 1225 01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:30,880 Speaker 1: I loved working in Cincinnati. I learned that's where I 1226 01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:33,480 Speaker 1: really honed my my live skills and being able to 1227 01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:36,680 Speaker 1: speak on my feet with no script and changing stories 1228 01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:39,400 Speaker 1: like on a dime. Cleveland was my first anchor job, 1229 01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:41,400 Speaker 1: so that was when I was behind the desk. But 1230 01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:43,360 Speaker 1: I had a really harrowing experience there too, because I 1231 01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:46,720 Speaker 1: was fired the week after I got married. Why because 1232 01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:49,760 Speaker 1: I was Ironically, I was part of the very first 1233 01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:54,520 Speaker 1: two female local primetime newscast in the country, so it 1234 01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:57,360 Speaker 1: was very progressive, so it's very telling for sort of 1235 01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:00,080 Speaker 1: my life history now. But it didn't work, and the 1236 01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:02,680 Speaker 1: other woman was from Cleveland, so she was the obvious 1237 01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:04,880 Speaker 1: one for them to keep. So I came back from 1238 01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:07,760 Speaker 1: my honeymoon and my male general manager called me up 1239 01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:10,040 Speaker 1: to the office and he said to me these words, 1240 01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:16,480 Speaker 1: now that you're married, you'll be fine. You're fired. Yep. 1241 01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:20,440 Speaker 1: Also illegal to tell a woman that. So I spent 1242 01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:25,160 Speaker 1: a year crying in my garage, which I also painted 1243 01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:27,160 Speaker 1: the floor of I'd like to get credit for that, 1244 01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:31,080 Speaker 1: um and I mowed the lawn every week on time. 1245 01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:33,880 Speaker 1: I kept busy, but I realized that to give another 1246 01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:35,040 Speaker 1: TV job, I was going to have to move to 1247 01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:37,080 Speaker 1: a different city, and I just got married, for God's sake. 1248 01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:40,520 Speaker 1: So I finally got a job in Dallas and moved, 1249 01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:42,160 Speaker 1: and then my husband had to stay in Cleveland. So 1250 01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:44,960 Speaker 1: then we commuted the second year of our marriage. And 1251 01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:46,840 Speaker 1: I never really talked about being fired, because this is 1252 01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:49,480 Speaker 1: another thing that we feel humiliated about, right that people 1253 01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:52,920 Speaker 1: keep secret and now I just shouted from the rafters 1254 01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:56,280 Speaker 1: because it's like, you know, there was I did nothing wrong. 1255 01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,919 Speaker 1: And it's a great thing for me to talk about 1256 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,600 Speaker 1: because millions of other people have been in that situation 1257 01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:07,640 Speaker 1: and they feel horrible about it and embarrassed and um, 1258 01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:09,520 Speaker 1: and I want to let them know that that I 1259 01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:11,840 Speaker 1: started over and I might have had to take two 1260 01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,760 Speaker 1: steps back, but it made me go four steps forward eventually, 1261 01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:17,800 Speaker 1: you know. And I just worked extra hard. Um. And 1262 01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:20,080 Speaker 1: by the way, going into every single newsroom for every 1263 01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:22,320 Speaker 1: job as a Formers America, I had to work trip 1264 01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:25,400 Speaker 1: really hard anyway, of course, because of those stereotypes like 1265 01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:29,040 Speaker 1: oh here comes the bimbo. And I came to understand 1266 01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:31,120 Speaker 1: that when I kept going to new jobs, and so 1267 01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:33,680 Speaker 1: I came in with a vengeance, like I was already 1268 01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:36,400 Speaker 1: a hard worker, but the first day I would be like, 1269 01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:38,280 Speaker 1: I'm going to become the best reporter in this shop. 1270 01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:42,080 Speaker 1: And so I would work myself to the bone to 1271 01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:45,360 Speaker 1: make sure that that happened, to try and disprove what 1272 01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:48,440 Speaker 1: the stereotype was about. Course, because that's the thing. We 1273 01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:51,240 Speaker 1: don't get to walk in the door just as ourselves. 1274 01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:54,720 Speaker 1: We walk in the door carrying other people's projections, especially 1275 01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:58,840 Speaker 1: after the stereotyping. Yeah, so, you know, I've had a 1276 01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:01,440 Speaker 1: lot of different ups and downs in my life. I 1277 01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:04,960 Speaker 1: had a life threatening stoker for four years, and um, 1278 01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:07,560 Speaker 1: I almost didn't continue in the news business as a result, 1279 01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:09,720 Speaker 1: because kind of the worst profession you could have is 1280 01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:13,240 Speaker 1: to be in the public eye where somebody can find you. So, 1281 01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:17,480 Speaker 1: you know, there's been sometimes people have these impressions of 1282 01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:21,040 Speaker 1: well known journalists says they've had a sheltered life, and 1283 01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:23,040 Speaker 1: you know, they just get to put on a lot 1284 01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:25,960 Speaker 1: of makeup and get their hair done and wear fancy clothes. 1285 01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:30,240 Speaker 1: Probably the same perceptions as being an actress, but so 1286 01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:32,600 Speaker 1: far from the truth in the television industry, when you're 1287 01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:35,920 Speaker 1: clawing your way up and getting paid next to nothing. 1288 01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:38,240 Speaker 1: I ate Domino's Pizza for the first eight months of 1289 01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:39,880 Speaker 1: my first job because I didn't have enough money to 1290 01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:45,600 Speaker 1: even buy electricity or eat. So, you know, I I 1291 01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:50,040 Speaker 1: really really, really worked hard and learned that from from 1292 01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:52,800 Speaker 1: early on in my life, and I think all of 1293 01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:55,280 Speaker 1: those things led up to what I ultimately did at 1294 01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:58,000 Speaker 1: Fox and what I'm doing now. How how did you 1295 01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:01,680 Speaker 1: wind up at Fox News? Because was doing the Saturday 1296 01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:05,280 Speaker 1: early show at CBS News, and I loved that, but 1297 01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:08,840 Speaker 1: it was only one day a week, and I had 1298 01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:12,760 Speaker 1: two babies and they were one and two. And Fox 1299 01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:14,840 Speaker 1: came calling and said, you know, we'd love to have 1300 01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:16,800 Speaker 1: you do this five days a week. And you have 1301 01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:19,040 Speaker 1: to put in perspective that this was fifteen years ago, 1302 01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:24,000 Speaker 1: this was before Fox is what foxes? That was going 1303 01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:26,800 Speaker 1: to be my question because and look, you know, for 1304 01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:29,920 Speaker 1: listeners at home, it's no secret you know that I 1305 01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:32,560 Speaker 1: think Fox News is helping to cause the downfall of America. 1306 01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:35,959 Speaker 1: You and I are friends, regardless, We have a lot 1307 01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:38,919 Speaker 1: of things in common, and I think I think people 1308 01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:40,800 Speaker 1: would be surprised that you and I have so much 1309 01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:44,120 Speaker 1: in common given that, again, they'll stereotype you because you 1310 01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:47,560 Speaker 1: were at Fox News. But I went there for the 1311 01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:50,440 Speaker 1: job opportunity because it was five days a week. And 1312 01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:52,240 Speaker 1: my mom was so psyched because she I used to 1313 01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:54,840 Speaker 1: send her my tapes and they'd be like murders and 1314 01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:57,280 Speaker 1: fires and all this serious news, and she'd be like, 1315 01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:00,320 Speaker 1: why can't you just smile a little more when you're 1316 01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:02,160 Speaker 1: reporting the news? Because I want people to be able 1317 01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:05,080 Speaker 1: to see all aspects of your personality. Because you're funny 1318 01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:07,280 Speaker 1: and you know this and that, and I'm like, mom, 1319 01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:11,640 Speaker 1: I'm covering a triple murder. I can't smile through and exactly. 1320 01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:14,240 Speaker 1: You know. So when this opportunity came up, which is 1321 01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:16,880 Speaker 1: always my goal to be able to to showcase all 1322 01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:19,760 Speaker 1: different sides of my personality, maybe even have to cook that, 1323 01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:21,640 Speaker 1: you know, it was just like wow, you know, this 1324 01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:25,759 Speaker 1: was the pinnacle of my career, and I didn't realize 1325 01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:28,599 Speaker 1: how it was all gonna play out, not just what 1326 01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:32,639 Speaker 1: was happening to me, but also the cultish behavior of course. 1327 01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:38,160 Speaker 1: So and this was pre Bush Cheney era reversal of 1328 01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:41,559 Speaker 1: a requirement for news to be non bias. It was 1329 01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:44,200 Speaker 1: right around that time that all that was, you know, 1330 01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:46,360 Speaker 1: coming in, you thought you were going to a news organization. 1331 01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:49,160 Speaker 1: You had no idea what was to come. So so 1332 01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:52,400 Speaker 1: what what's it like in the first couple of years there. 1333 01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:55,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I imagine, as you said, as a mom, 1334 01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:58,519 Speaker 1: you know, having this incredibly steady gig and being able 1335 01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:00,960 Speaker 1: to do this morning show where you're talking news and 1336 01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:04,519 Speaker 1: culture and life and and everything that's important to you. 1337 01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:09,760 Speaker 1: I imagine the beginning was wonderful. Yeah, I mean it was, 1338 01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:11,479 Speaker 1: you know, it was what I had always aspired to 1339 01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:16,240 Speaker 1: as far as the the actual description of of the job. Yeah, 1340 01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:18,320 Speaker 1: and my kids were one actually, my son was three 1341 01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:20,240 Speaker 1: months when I went there to start, because I remember 1342 01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:22,160 Speaker 1: I had to stop breastfeeding because it actually was just 1343 01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:24,080 Speaker 1: too much with a one year old and a three 1344 01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:26,320 Speaker 1: month old and going to a new job and getting 1345 01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:28,519 Speaker 1: up at three am in the morning, you know, and 1346 01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:30,880 Speaker 1: then and I'm not a napper, so I would the 1347 01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:33,720 Speaker 1: person who sacrificed sleep was was me, because you know, 1348 01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:35,559 Speaker 1: kids wake up in the middle of the night, you 1349 01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:38,080 Speaker 1: have to feed them and stuff like that. So but 1350 01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:40,200 Speaker 1: I got into a really good rhythm, and I lived 1351 01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:41,720 Speaker 1: in the city at the time. Then my husband had 1352 01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:43,679 Speaker 1: this crazy idea that we should move to the suburbs. 1353 01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:46,120 Speaker 1: And I'm like what He's like, Yeah, we both threw 1354 01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:47,600 Speaker 1: up in the Midwest. Would be really great if we 1355 01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:49,360 Speaker 1: could give our kids a backyard. And I was like, 1356 01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:51,760 Speaker 1: that would be fantastic. However, then I have to get 1357 01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:54,559 Speaker 1: up a whole hour earlier. But you won that battle. 1358 01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:58,719 Speaker 1: So I learned how to adjust, you know, organize to 1359 01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:02,479 Speaker 1: to not get up a our earlier and and make 1360 01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:04,760 Speaker 1: it make it all, make it all work out. But 1361 01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:06,720 Speaker 1: then we get into the time period where I can't 1362 01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:09,639 Speaker 1: talk to you about what what happened, and so things, 1363 01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:12,200 Speaker 1: you know, dramatically changed. So I'm just going to start 1364 01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:15,040 Speaker 1: asking you questions and if you can't answer them, that's okay. 1365 01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:17,200 Speaker 1: And for everyone listening at home, I'm sorry that you 1366 01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:19,040 Speaker 1: can't be in the room with us, but we'll try. 1367 01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:21,679 Speaker 1: And so the beginning is great, and then I imagine 1368 01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:24,960 Speaker 1: there's a point where you catch Roger's eye. So I'm 1369 01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:27,920 Speaker 1: just gonna say, hypothetically, yes, a lot of men have 1370 01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:31,400 Speaker 1: a real serious problem with smart women. And while they 1371 01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,880 Speaker 1: want you to be smart because it's great to promote that, 1372 01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:38,439 Speaker 1: they don't really like the true aspects of a smart 1373 01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:41,799 Speaker 1: woman because they actually speak up and have a voice, 1374 01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:45,400 Speaker 1: and they actually might say something's not fair and something's 1375 01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:48,720 Speaker 1: not right, and then they get penalized for that. So 1376 01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:52,280 Speaker 1: that's hypothetically what happens to many women in the workplace, 1377 01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:54,200 Speaker 1: and thousands of those women have reached out to me 1378 01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:56,320 Speaker 1: since my story broke. And it's not just TV people, 1379 01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:58,320 Speaker 1: by the way, or famous Hollywood actresses. As we know, 1380 01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:02,600 Speaker 1: this is pervasive everywhere US. I mean medical professions, teaching professionals, 1381 01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:07,360 Speaker 1: act police officers, firefighters, airplane mechanics, lawyers, and every single 1382 01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:11,880 Speaker 1: profession has been represented in emailing me. And so it's 1383 01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:15,040 Speaker 1: it's it's awful. But so that's hypothetically what what happens 1384 01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:21,280 Speaker 1: to two women many women in the workplace. So, as 1385 01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:25,599 Speaker 1: a smart woman, I imagine that you have to begin 1386 01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:29,120 Speaker 1: to try to figure out how to juggle who you 1387 01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:32,759 Speaker 1: are and your natural inclination to speak up for things, 1388 01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:38,000 Speaker 1: and figure out how to fold yourself in such a 1389 01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:41,479 Speaker 1: way that you fit into this space you're being given 1390 01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:45,559 Speaker 1: in your workplace, right, And I think hypothetically women go 1391 01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:48,759 Speaker 1: to other women, you know, to look for that support. 1392 01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:51,280 Speaker 1: And I think one of the most disappointing things that 1393 01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:54,280 Speaker 1: happens to women is when other women don't support them. 1394 01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:59,000 Speaker 1: And while I don't want to blame women for that, 1395 01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:00,800 Speaker 1: because I'm a huge belief we're in us all sticking 1396 01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:05,360 Speaker 1: together because there's power in numbers, it's a end result 1397 01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:08,320 Speaker 1: of the culture that we've created here, right, because we 1398 01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:10,960 Speaker 1: don't put enough women in powerful positions, and so again 1399 01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:13,719 Speaker 1: we get into this whole power struggle. So so women 1400 01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:15,640 Speaker 1: are straddling the fence between trying to be in the 1401 01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:17,360 Speaker 1: boys club and trying to help the other women who 1402 01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:21,200 Speaker 1: come to them with all of these issues. So, you know, hypothetically, 1403 01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:23,720 Speaker 1: I think women trust other women and then they end 1404 01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:25,960 Speaker 1: up getting screwed, you know, getting screwed over by it. 1405 01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:28,320 Speaker 1: And then and then the dynamic in the workplace, you 1406 01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:30,360 Speaker 1: just I think so many women realize that they're just 1407 01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:33,400 Speaker 1: all alone, right, and that everyone's out to get them, 1408 01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:36,040 Speaker 1: and because they simply had the guts to say something, 1409 01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:40,680 Speaker 1: and so then women run into this horrible quagmire. You know, 1410 01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:42,960 Speaker 1: I've killed myself to get to this position. They're not 1411 01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:45,599 Speaker 1: a lot of other jobs that are like this. Should 1412 01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:47,599 Speaker 1: I just keep my mouth shut and try to tow 1413 01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:49,599 Speaker 1: the line and have a couple of silent protests every 1414 01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:52,400 Speaker 1: now and then? Or should I quit and give up 1415 01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:54,160 Speaker 1: my livelihood? Why should I be forced to do that? 1416 01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:57,200 Speaker 1: You know? Why should women be forced to give up 1417 01:12:57,200 --> 01:12:59,439 Speaker 1: what they've worked so hard at because there's jerks that 1418 01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:02,880 Speaker 1: are around them. So these are the these are the 1419 01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:07,360 Speaker 1: quandaries that women find themselves in. And my greatest hope 1420 01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:08,600 Speaker 1: in all the work that I've been doing over the 1421 01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:10,080 Speaker 1: last three and a half years is that I've made 1422 01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:13,240 Speaker 1: it easier for women to not be in those quandaries 1423 01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:16,679 Speaker 1: for for women to bond together with men and say 1424 01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:18,439 Speaker 1: we're not going to put up with this. We're going 1425 01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:20,879 Speaker 1: to go to HR and say we don't want arbitration 1426 01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:23,200 Speaker 1: clauses in our employment contracts. We're going to go to 1427 01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:24,720 Speaker 1: HR and to c e O S and say we 1428 01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:27,240 Speaker 1: don't want n d A S anymore. Our voices matter. 1429 01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:29,679 Speaker 1: We're gonna go to the CFO and say we should 1430 01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:33,360 Speaker 1: be paid fairly. We're gonna have a Google walkout. I mean, 1431 01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:36,360 Speaker 1: look at that. There was one woman's idea and it 1432 01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:40,280 Speaker 1: became an international movement in one day. So I do 1433 01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:44,519 Speaker 1: believe that we, you know, we've made major, major progress 1434 01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:46,120 Speaker 1: on some of those things that I just said can 1435 01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:50,160 Speaker 1: happen to women hypothetically, but but they're so deeply in bed. 1436 01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:55,160 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's really hard to change cultural norms. 1437 01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:58,360 Speaker 1: And you know from being an activist that we never 1438 01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:03,320 Speaker 1: do cultural shifts quickly, which is why I remain optimistic 1439 01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:07,519 Speaker 1: about this particular cultural revolution, because so much has changed 1440 01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:10,439 Speaker 1: in a short period of time, and it's sustaining. It's sustaining. 1441 01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:12,599 Speaker 1: So when I did my case three and a half 1442 01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:17,639 Speaker 1: years ago, women were not believed almost never. Now women 1443 01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:21,160 Speaker 1: are are believed at least they're not crucified immediately when 1444 01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:23,680 Speaker 1: they come forward. That's huge, that's a huge step in 1445 01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:27,440 Speaker 1: the right direction. Men are being accountable, they're being held accountable, 1446 01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:31,719 Speaker 1: we're seeing them fired. I mean, I could have never 1447 01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:34,000 Speaker 1: in my world, as dreams believed that we would have 1448 01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:38,479 Speaker 1: had all of these well known men, these titans fall down, 1449 01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:40,679 Speaker 1: and hopefully a bunch of other men that we don't 1450 01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:43,160 Speaker 1: know about in other professions. Because it's really all about 1451 01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:49,120 Speaker 1: all those women. Number three, they're they're apologizing and actually 1452 01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:52,639 Speaker 1: admitting that they probably didn't behave in an appropriate way. 1453 01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:55,040 Speaker 1: They never did that before some of them. I did 1454 01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:57,920 Speaker 1: not have the same experience. But but your story was 1455 01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:02,360 Speaker 1: slightly you know before this, you know, as we continue 1456 01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:06,760 Speaker 1: to push because I quit my job pre Harvey, yes, 1457 01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:09,720 Speaker 1: and I had. It took me a year to do that, 1458 01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:12,639 Speaker 1: so I started trying to get out of my job 1459 01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:20,120 Speaker 1: in and finally was released in and I refused to 1460 01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:22,160 Speaker 1: sign the n d A that I was presented with. 1461 01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:27,320 Speaker 1: Good but just what an interesting experience. You know, they 1462 01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:30,840 Speaker 1: got word that someone on the set for something else 1463 01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:33,719 Speaker 1: after I left, I guess had gone to a reporter. 1464 01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:36,439 Speaker 1: And then I was called to confirm or deny what 1465 01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:38,599 Speaker 1: this person had told them. It happened to me and 1466 01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:41,479 Speaker 1: a lot of other women on our set, and I 1467 01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:43,040 Speaker 1: was like, oh man, this is going to be bad. 1468 01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:46,160 Speaker 1: You know, I was still pretty shaken up. This was 1469 01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:49,160 Speaker 1: in October, and I left my job in April, and 1470 01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:51,519 Speaker 1: I knew I would talk about it eventually, but you 1471 01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:54,760 Speaker 1: have to feel ready, and I didn't feel ready. I 1472 01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:59,120 Speaker 1: was still having a lot of just adverse side effects 1473 01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:01,640 Speaker 1: to the variants when when you were in such a 1474 01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:04,400 Speaker 1: stressful environment as you know, you know, I spent four 1475 01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:08,080 Speaker 1: years every day sixteen hours, eighteen hours a day, and 1476 01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:11,880 Speaker 1: the the sort of post traumatic stress effects don't go 1477 01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:16,559 Speaker 1: away overnight. And I remember thinking like, this is going 1478 01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:20,759 Speaker 1: to be really scary. And when the network was called 1479 01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:23,800 Speaker 1: for comment on what had been reported, I don't know 1480 01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:28,040 Speaker 1: exactly what happened, but within two days a statement had 1481 01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:33,160 Speaker 1: gone out where they made apologies stating that the person 1482 01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:37,600 Speaker 1: in question had been investigated by HR and forced to 1483 01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:41,840 Speaker 1: seek treatment for anger management issues, and that he had 1484 01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:45,320 Speaker 1: apologized to everyone involved. And I was like, I didn't 1485 01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:48,320 Speaker 1: get an apology. What I did get was him texting 1486 01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:50,800 Speaker 1: me the article essentially as a big fuck you like 1487 01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:54,160 Speaker 1: I got away with it, and I tweeted I remember, 1488 01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:56,479 Speaker 1: I said, Wow, it's amazing to me that gross sexual 1489 01:16:56,560 --> 01:17:01,040 Speaker 1: misconduct is being rebranded as an Angerman tim an issue. 1490 01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:04,960 Speaker 1: Well that fits into and they swept it right under 1491 01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:07,920 Speaker 1: the rug, and I thought, okay, your time will come. 1492 01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:11,559 Speaker 1: By the way, hr is not the place where these 1493 01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:16,040 Speaker 1: complaints should be going absolutely because hr IS isn't is 1494 01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:18,640 Speaker 1: an arm of the company exactly. They're looking out for 1495 01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:21,360 Speaker 1: the better interests of the company, not the employees, although 1496 01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:23,960 Speaker 1: it's billed as being the place where employees should go. 1497 01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:26,400 Speaker 1: And since the very beginning, I've been a staunch supporter 1498 01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:30,360 Speaker 1: of an independent council, so to speaker, an ombudsman coming 1499 01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:34,120 Speaker 1: in to handle any kind of discrimination sexual harassment cases. 1500 01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:36,200 Speaker 1: You know what you would love an organization that lift 1501 01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:38,000 Speaker 1: our voices might want to work with is actually an 1502 01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:41,559 Speaker 1: incredible tech company that one of the higher up female 1503 01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:44,680 Speaker 1: engineers from Uber who had been harassed there, and a 1504 01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:47,120 Speaker 1: couple of other women who went through harassment at various 1505 01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:51,360 Speaker 1: Silicon Valley tech companies started this organization called All Voices, 1506 01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:56,240 Speaker 1: and All Voices is a third party, independent data based 1507 01:17:56,680 --> 01:18:02,680 Speaker 1: company that corporations, films, studios. Any sort of office or 1508 01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:06,639 Speaker 1: company can onboard to be their reporting arm, so all 1509 01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:10,479 Speaker 1: voices takes in all of the reporting, anonymizes it, and 1510 01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:12,479 Speaker 1: gives it back to the company. But it's a third 1511 01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:16,240 Speaker 1: party who helps to hold the company accountable while protecting 1512 01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:19,880 Speaker 1: the employees who are reporting men, women, anyone who works there, 1513 01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:23,080 Speaker 1: everyone in between, so that the company gets the hard 1514 01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:26,599 Speaker 1: facts of what's happening within their walls and doesn't have 1515 01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:31,800 Speaker 1: the ability to try to shrink anyone's experiences through HR. 1516 01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:35,120 Speaker 1: Because it was interesting to me when when the then 1517 01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:37,479 Speaker 1: head of my network, who in my I was very 1518 01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:40,679 Speaker 1: lucky happened to be a woman at the time, found 1519 01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:43,439 Speaker 1: out I was asking to quit my job, which I 1520 01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:45,800 Speaker 1: which I discovered. She didn't find out until six weeks 1521 01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:47,920 Speaker 1: before I actually did. They had hidden this from her, 1522 01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:51,280 Speaker 1: and she said, what's going on? And I had a 1523 01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:54,320 Speaker 1: phone call with her and I ran her through my 1524 01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:59,080 Speaker 1: experiences on the show, and she was just horrified and said, 1525 01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:02,040 Speaker 1: how could they not told me this? I heard there 1526 01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:04,120 Speaker 1: were some there was tension, but no one told me 1527 01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:06,880 Speaker 1: what was happening. I'm sure you were blamed for being 1528 01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:09,160 Speaker 1: hard to work. Oh of course I was branded as 1529 01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:10,640 Speaker 1: not being able to take a dick joke, and I 1530 01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:12,519 Speaker 1: was like, cool, I wasn't aware that that that sexual 1531 01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:15,000 Speaker 1: assault means. I don't want to take a dick joke. Okay, 1532 01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:17,639 Speaker 1: I have a pretty filthy sense of humor. I promise 1533 01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:22,280 Speaker 1: you they're different. And she then said, I'm I'm gonna 1534 01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:25,479 Speaker 1: hire us and completely independent investigator to come and look 1535 01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:28,360 Speaker 1: at this. And I said, well, after what I went through, 1536 01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:30,559 Speaker 1: the six months of retaliation I went through when I 1537 01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:33,400 Speaker 1: did finally bring this to HR, I will not speak 1538 01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:36,360 Speaker 1: to anyone until after I am at least off the 1539 01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:39,679 Speaker 1: set where you know, we're six weeks away from being done. 1540 01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:41,360 Speaker 1: I'll talk to her when I don't have to come 1541 01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:43,439 Speaker 1: to work with these people every day. And when I 1542 01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:45,080 Speaker 1: spoke to her, I said, you know, look at all 1543 01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:47,400 Speaker 1: the transcripts. I know, and I know there were more, 1544 01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:50,160 Speaker 1: but I have confirmed. I know there were thirteen people 1545 01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:52,240 Speaker 1: who went on the record with HR about the behavior 1546 01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:55,840 Speaker 1: of this person in my working environment, multiple people who 1547 01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:59,920 Speaker 1: were assaulted, her, ass etcetera, etcetera. And she looked at 1548 01:19:59,920 --> 01:20:03,000 Speaker 1: me and said, there are no transcripts, and I thought, 1549 01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:07,400 Speaker 1: oh wow. They conducted a whole investigation and they didn't 1550 01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:10,320 Speaker 1: put anything on paper and that convenient. Isn't that convenient? 1551 01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:13,679 Speaker 1: Isn't that convenient? And at that point I just went, 1552 01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:17,479 Speaker 1: you know what, fuck it. You guys do whatever you 1553 01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:20,240 Speaker 1: need to do, But I am not going to be 1554 01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:24,240 Speaker 1: You've you've you've let me be a punching bag and 1555 01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:27,360 Speaker 1: then I got stomped on and I'm just not going 1556 01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:29,720 Speaker 1: to put myself through it again and it and it 1557 01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:32,200 Speaker 1: frustrates me because of what I want is for women 1558 01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:33,600 Speaker 1: who have been through what I went through or what 1559 01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:36,960 Speaker 1: you went through to report. I want them to do that. 1560 01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:38,640 Speaker 1: And I also don't want to lie and say it's 1561 01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:41,840 Speaker 1: going to be easy. And my hope is that organizations 1562 01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:44,439 Speaker 1: like All Voices, My hope is that organizations like yours, 1563 01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:47,920 Speaker 1: you launching this Lift our Voices initiative will mean that 1564 01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:53,200 Speaker 1: when we do report, it actually works rather than becomes 1565 01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:56,280 Speaker 1: the arrow they aim back at us. I know, and 1566 01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:58,240 Speaker 1: we have to at least I know, I have to 1567 01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:01,160 Speaker 1: continue to encourage women to come forward and report because 1568 01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:03,240 Speaker 1: unless we all agree that we're going to do that, 1569 01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:05,240 Speaker 1: we're not going to fix it. Now. Listen, it's not 1570 01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:07,920 Speaker 1: only on the shoulders of women to fix um. And 1571 01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:11,439 Speaker 1: that's why I say that we need men because and 1572 01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:15,519 Speaker 1: first of all, it shouldn't even be called a woman's issue. 1573 01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:20,040 Speaker 1: It's really not a woman's issue. It's predominantly men harassing women. 1574 01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:22,760 Speaker 1: So and so not only should we change it just 1575 01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:25,080 Speaker 1: because it's factually correct to call it a man's issue, 1576 01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:27,519 Speaker 1: but also because men don't pay attention to things. When 1577 01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:30,040 Speaker 1: we call it women's issues, they just you know, and 1578 01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:33,160 Speaker 1: maybe it's well, and they also it's kind of tune out. 1579 01:21:33,200 --> 01:21:34,919 Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of like going to buy tampons 1580 01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:36,880 Speaker 1: or something. I mean it's like, well, they don't need 1581 01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:39,160 Speaker 1: to really worry about that or think about that, so 1582 01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:41,800 Speaker 1: they kind of just don't think about it, not because 1583 01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:44,920 Speaker 1: they're bad, but because they don't think that it's something 1584 01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:48,280 Speaker 1: they need to care about. And so when we call 1585 01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:51,960 Speaker 1: it a man's issue, we might get their attention on it. 1586 01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:54,559 Speaker 1: That's something else that I found out that's really crucial 1587 01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:57,600 Speaker 1: about this. And the sidebar of that is the responsibility 1588 01:21:57,640 --> 01:21:59,840 Speaker 1: shouldn't only be on women's shoulders. I mean, for God's sake, 1589 01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:03,479 Speaker 1: already doing almost everything, so um, you know, the the 1590 01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:07,040 Speaker 1: idea that we should also solely fix this, we can't. 1591 01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:09,400 Speaker 1: It brings us full circle to we're not in charge 1592 01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:12,800 Speaker 1: because it's not up to us to fix what's done 1593 01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:15,760 Speaker 1: to us. Right, it's up to the people acting in 1594 01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:18,640 Speaker 1: those ways to stop acting. But it's also up to 1595 01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:21,919 Speaker 1: CEOs and people running companies to say the buck stops 1596 01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:24,599 Speaker 1: with me, and I'm not going to tolerate this here 1597 01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:27,960 Speaker 1: and here's the new dynamic and environment that I'm bringing 1598 01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:29,920 Speaker 1: to this corporation. And by the way, we're going to 1599 01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:33,320 Speaker 1: celebrate people who come forward. Imagine how that would change 1600 01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:36,679 Speaker 1: the dynamic and the perception of what people think about 1601 01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:39,960 Speaker 1: they'd want to work there. Yes, if we shifted the 1602 01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:43,679 Speaker 1: perspective and realized that any employee, any woman, or any 1603 01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:48,720 Speaker 1: employee who is risking their well being at work to 1604 01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:52,920 Speaker 1: report something that is toxic at work, they're looking out 1605 01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:55,639 Speaker 1: not not just for themselves, they're looking out for the company. 1606 01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:58,680 Speaker 1: You are saying, our company should be better than this. 1607 01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:02,559 Speaker 1: If you fix this problem, it will get better. That 1608 01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:05,080 Speaker 1: should be celebrated. You should be seen as such a 1609 01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:08,200 Speaker 1: warrior for the corporation you work for when you start 1610 01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:10,559 Speaker 1: willing to highlight a problem. Instead, in the past, it 1611 01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:14,280 Speaker 1: has been more like the Catholic priest problem, where people 1612 01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:17,280 Speaker 1: just put it under the carpet and shift those people 1613 01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:20,759 Speaker 1: to other positions and don't tell anyone what they've done. 1614 01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:24,080 Speaker 1: I mean, it's the same thing with harassment. These men 1615 01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:28,240 Speaker 1: get let go potentially in some cases, in many cases 1616 01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:29,519 Speaker 1: they get to stay on the job and the woman 1617 01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:31,639 Speaker 1: has to go. But let's say the man generally gets 1618 01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:34,840 Speaker 1: let go, they don't tell that. They don't say why 1619 01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:38,000 Speaker 1: he got let go. So in fact, I know people 1620 01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:40,559 Speaker 1: who have been fired for harassment who get new jobs, 1621 01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:42,720 Speaker 1: and I would love to call up the people and say, 1622 01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:45,360 Speaker 1: do you really know why that person was was let go? 1623 01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:49,040 Speaker 1: But we don't. We don't publicize that. So well, look 1624 01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:51,960 Speaker 1: and even the people who look away, not even the harassers. 1625 01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:54,400 Speaker 1: But when we talk about news organizations, when we talk about, 1626 01:23:54,439 --> 01:23:57,880 Speaker 1: for example, the issue at NBC, the cover up of 1627 01:23:57,880 --> 01:24:01,559 Speaker 1: Matt Lower's behavior, Andy Lack and Oppenheim still have their jobs. 1628 01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:06,920 Speaker 1: And there obviously here's the conundrum. They're great television producers, 1629 01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:11,000 Speaker 1: they're clearly good at what they do. But the right 1630 01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:16,920 Speaker 1: it's in writing that they obstructed these investigations, and what 1631 01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:20,320 Speaker 1: what message does that send that we go, well, we'll 1632 01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:22,360 Speaker 1: fire the one guy, but maybe not these guys, because 1633 01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:24,600 Speaker 1: they're also making us a bunch of money, and you know, 1634 01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:28,280 Speaker 1: really they're nice. It's like, well, so you can be 1635 01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:33,120 Speaker 1: nice and be dangerous and then what And also, one 1636 01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:36,400 Speaker 1: of the main calls I've been making two mainly men, 1637 01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:41,360 Speaker 1: is to stop being enablers and bystanders, because what ends 1638 01:24:41,439 --> 01:24:44,080 Speaker 1: up happening when men do that and they don't they 1639 01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:48,120 Speaker 1: think they're just not getting involved, but the toxicity increases 1640 01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:51,120 Speaker 1: inside the workplace when that happens, because it's like a 1641 01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:52,840 Speaker 1: kid putting their hand in the canny jar. They take 1642 01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:54,320 Speaker 1: one cookie and they get away with it. The next 1643 01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:57,360 Speaker 1: time they take two. Same thing. With harassment, somebody says 1644 01:24:57,400 --> 01:25:01,760 Speaker 1: something off color, nobody says in anything. Then they think 1645 01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:04,720 Speaker 1: to themselves, oh, that's acceptable, right, And then some of 1646 01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:07,200 Speaker 1: the enablers are like, oh this is cool. Now I 1647 01:25:07,240 --> 01:25:09,880 Speaker 1: can talk like this right now. They start in on it, right, 1648 01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:12,920 Speaker 1: and it's an exponential it is. And then they tend 1649 01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:15,360 Speaker 1: to hire people who are like you. So if you're 1650 01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:18,680 Speaker 1: a harasser, you hire predators, and now all of your 1651 01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:23,080 Speaker 1: lieutenants think like you do you create an environment that's acceptable, 1652 01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:25,080 Speaker 1: and it keeps rising up and rising up, and before 1653 01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:28,519 Speaker 1: you know it, the whole entire place is nuclear right, 1654 01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:30,920 Speaker 1: and the people who work within it kind of get 1655 01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:34,000 Speaker 1: caught up in it and don't even realize how nuclear 1656 01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:37,240 Speaker 1: it is. Because because it becomes it comes, it becomes 1657 01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:42,160 Speaker 1: the norm. So that is why bystanders and enablers, I know, 1658 01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:44,880 Speaker 1: it takes so much courage to come forward. I documented 1659 01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:47,720 Speaker 1: in my book about how men did just that and 1660 01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:51,240 Speaker 1: guess what happened to them. They were promptly demoted, fired 1661 01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:55,240 Speaker 1: and blacklisted as well because they upset the apple cart. 1662 01:25:55,720 --> 01:26:00,080 Speaker 1: But we still need them in this entire movement to 1663 01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:02,479 Speaker 1: to come forward and help us because when they do, 1664 01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:06,160 Speaker 1: they make a huge difference. When in your tenure at Fox, 1665 01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:11,759 Speaker 1: did you really feel the shift, like the shift of culture, 1666 01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:14,800 Speaker 1: because to your point, you say, even in the way 1667 01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:17,280 Speaker 1: they were covering news when you joined the organization, it's 1668 01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:19,719 Speaker 1: not like it is now. And let's remind our listeners 1669 01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:23,479 Speaker 1: you exited in and then they really went nuclear on 1670 01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:29,839 Speaker 1: this insane partisan I mean, I can't even say partisan, 1671 01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:36,520 Speaker 1: non factual circus. When when did you feel that snowball 1672 01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:40,160 Speaker 1: kind of moving down the mountain to runaway speed? Well, 1673 01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:42,120 Speaker 1: there were so many things all happening at the same 1674 01:26:42,160 --> 01:26:45,800 Speaker 1: time that we're very confounding and that's about where I 1675 01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:49,040 Speaker 1: have to leave it because of my NBA. Interesting, so 1676 01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:51,880 Speaker 1: you can't even talk about when stories started shifting at 1677 01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:55,080 Speaker 1: the network, not not even if they have no relation 1678 01:26:55,160 --> 01:26:58,200 Speaker 1: to your harassment. No, because they might have a relation 1679 01:26:58,280 --> 01:27:03,439 Speaker 1: to my alleged perpetrator and dictates that you know, mandates that. 1680 01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:07,679 Speaker 1: So you can't even say his name. But I mean 1681 01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:11,720 Speaker 1: you can't, but you know it may it may be 1682 01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:16,360 Speaker 1: construed in that and that you're criticised him for things 1683 01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:21,120 Speaker 1: that were told to us. Wow. So so perhaps as 1684 01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:24,760 Speaker 1: an I'll be hypothetical here, let's let's hypothetically say that 1685 01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:28,080 Speaker 1: as you all, as employees of the network, are informed 1686 01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:33,599 Speaker 1: that your stories must take these ever growing conservative bent. 1687 01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:36,960 Speaker 1: You know, you give air time to people like Alex Jones, 1688 01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:39,640 Speaker 1: which would go back to talk about Sandy Hook, not you, 1689 01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:42,160 Speaker 1: obviously the network, the network, you know what I mean, 1690 01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:48,120 Speaker 1: horrifying things that talking about even that under the terms 1691 01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:50,000 Speaker 1: of your n d A could be seen as you 1692 01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:55,040 Speaker 1: defaming Roger. Wow. And hypothetically, if a person is in 1693 01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:58,439 Speaker 1: a position where you know, they have a job that 1694 01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:02,400 Speaker 1: they that they want to key, they're in a conundrum 1695 01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:05,720 Speaker 1: mm hmm. And it's ironic to me too, when we 1696 01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:09,960 Speaker 1: think about the conundrums and what we were just talking about, 1697 01:28:10,439 --> 01:28:13,439 Speaker 1: these sort of double standards for women when the men 1698 01:28:13,479 --> 01:28:17,760 Speaker 1: are bystanders and the culture gets so toxic. Sean Hannity 1699 01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:20,360 Speaker 1: is out there campaigning to bring Bill O'Reilly back to 1700 01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:28,040 Speaker 1: the network, a horrendous sexual predator and assaulter and rapist. 1701 01:28:28,240 --> 01:28:30,920 Speaker 1: I mean, you don't pay out a settlement like Bill 1702 01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:33,840 Speaker 1: O'Reilly had to unless you have done the worst of 1703 01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:36,640 Speaker 1: the worst. And Hannity's out here saying he should come 1704 01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:39,960 Speaker 1: back to Fox. I did speak out about that. I 1705 01:28:40,040 --> 01:28:43,600 Speaker 1: know you did, yes, but justeous it's dumbfounding to me 1706 01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:46,840 Speaker 1: that that either of those men thinks this is an 1707 01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:50,320 Speaker 1: appropriate course of action. Well, and if Sean Hannity has daughters, 1708 01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:51,720 Speaker 1: and I don't even know if he does or not, 1709 01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:55,200 Speaker 1: but and it doesn't even matter if he does, but 1710 01:28:55,320 --> 01:28:58,960 Speaker 1: for society, that's just such an incredible disservice. Yeah, like 1711 01:28:59,479 --> 01:29:04,720 Speaker 1: to to promulgate that men who have allegedly done horrendous 1712 01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:07,200 Speaker 1: things to other human beings should be able to come 1713 01:29:07,240 --> 01:29:11,800 Speaker 1: back in an elevated, top notch position. My question is, 1714 01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:15,719 Speaker 1: what about all the women who have done nothing wrong 1715 01:29:16,360 --> 01:29:20,080 Speaker 1: and never work again. We've done nothing wrong aside from 1716 01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:23,000 Speaker 1: say please don't touch me that way and who never 1717 01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:26,639 Speaker 1: work again? Right? Right or way worse things that happened 1718 01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:29,360 Speaker 1: to that, and they had the courage to come forward, 1719 01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:32,200 Speaker 1: you know, so even and I've expressed this two members 1720 01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:35,360 Speaker 1: of the media, nothing just gets my eyre up in 1721 01:29:35,400 --> 01:29:37,920 Speaker 1: the last three years like this. I will look up 1722 01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:40,439 Speaker 1: on the television screen and I'll see the chiron, you know, 1723 01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:43,120 Speaker 1: floating by on the bottom of the screen, and it 1724 01:29:43,160 --> 01:29:46,760 Speaker 1: will say something like, when is Bill O'Reilly making his comeback? Um, 1725 01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:48,840 Speaker 1: when is Charlie Rose? And when is Matt Lower? I 1726 01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:50,599 Speaker 1: heard that they were trying to plan a show together. 1727 01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:53,280 Speaker 1: When are they making their comeback? And I'm like, three 1728 01:29:53,400 --> 01:29:57,680 Speaker 1: weeks have passed, right, It's almost like it's almost so 1729 01:29:57,920 --> 01:30:01,599 Speaker 1: ingrained in us that we're just waiting for these people 1730 01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:05,880 Speaker 1: men to be able to be forgiven and come back. 1731 01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:09,439 Speaker 1: And as the person you know, who's so ingrained in 1732 01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:12,639 Speaker 1: this movement, I look at that and I see so 1733 01:30:12,680 --> 01:30:16,880 Speaker 1: many wrong things. We should be first of all, never 1734 01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:20,120 Speaker 1: saying that because these men should not be allowed to 1735 01:30:20,160 --> 01:30:22,840 Speaker 1: have any comeback. Sorry, I mean I happened to be 1736 01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:29,919 Speaker 1: a forgiving person, and by the way, I'm representing thousands 1737 01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:32,200 Speaker 1: and thousands of women whose voices have never been heard. 1738 01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:34,920 Speaker 1: So I got an army of women who are now 1739 01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:38,920 Speaker 1: with me. And what about them? What about these scientists 1740 01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:43,960 Speaker 1: and engineers and doctors and people who have killed themselves 1741 01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:47,040 Speaker 1: for the American dream and they don't get it anymore? 1742 01:30:47,320 --> 01:30:49,880 Speaker 1: And we as a society don't care about that at 1743 01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:51,960 Speaker 1: least up until this point. We haven't now part of 1744 01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:54,280 Speaker 1: that could because we didn't know about it. But now 1745 01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:59,280 Speaker 1: we do, so we should be arguing and screaming from 1746 01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:01,880 Speaker 1: the top of the rooftop that these women should have 1747 01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:05,120 Speaker 1: their jobs. And that's what I'm doing with Lift Our 1748 01:31:05,439 --> 01:31:07,720 Speaker 1: Voices is to speak up on behalf of all of 1749 01:31:07,720 --> 01:31:10,240 Speaker 1: these women, to not be forced into silence and have 1750 01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:12,360 Speaker 1: to sign NDAs and to be able to get their 1751 01:31:12,439 --> 01:31:14,840 Speaker 1: jobs back. I can't wait for the day all these 1752 01:31:14,920 --> 01:31:18,320 Speaker 1: nda is getting nullified. Yeah, what can we do to 1753 01:31:18,479 --> 01:31:22,280 Speaker 1: support Lift our Voices? And what can we do to 1754 01:31:22,439 --> 01:31:25,760 Speaker 1: support the legislation you're working on? Thank you with with 1755 01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:29,680 Speaker 1: the aim to ban arbitration, Yes, for sexual harassment. It's 1756 01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:32,200 Speaker 1: how Spill fourteen forty three. You can look it up 1757 01:31:32,240 --> 01:31:35,040 Speaker 1: online and then you can email that link to your 1758 01:31:35,080 --> 01:31:36,880 Speaker 1: member of Congress and say that I stand behind this 1759 01:31:36,920 --> 01:31:39,240 Speaker 1: and I hope you will as well. Because sexual harassment 1760 01:31:39,240 --> 01:31:42,000 Speaker 1: is a political Yes, before somebody harrasses you, they don't 1761 01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:44,840 Speaker 1: ask you what party you're in, so nobody nobody should care. 1762 01:31:44,840 --> 01:31:48,040 Speaker 1: If you're independent, Republican, Democrats, socialist, whatever you are, you 1763 01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:51,280 Speaker 1: should be behind this bill because it's for women. And 1764 01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:53,640 Speaker 1: right now I have a bipartisan coalition working on this 1765 01:31:54,160 --> 01:31:56,759 Speaker 1: and I am very optimistic that this is going to pass. 1766 01:31:56,960 --> 01:31:59,640 Speaker 1: So that is the bill with regard to Lift our 1767 01:31:59,720 --> 01:32:01,920 Speaker 1: Voice as you can simply go to lift our Voices 1768 01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:05,000 Speaker 1: dot com and you can sign up to join our mission, 1769 01:32:05,280 --> 01:32:07,840 Speaker 1: become a part of our army. One of my favorite 1770 01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:10,240 Speaker 1: quotes is and it happens to be anonymous. It's one 1771 01:32:10,240 --> 01:32:13,439 Speaker 1: woman can make a difference, but together we rock the world. 1772 01:32:14,040 --> 01:32:16,679 Speaker 1: And that's what this mission is about, Lift our Voices. 1773 01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:18,920 Speaker 1: I'm here to help all of the women who have 1774 01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:21,519 Speaker 1: not been able to have their voices heard. I'm also, 1775 01:32:22,240 --> 01:32:23,840 Speaker 1: you know, trying to get people like yourself who have 1776 01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:26,759 Speaker 1: a big voice out there to join our mission because 1777 01:32:26,800 --> 01:32:30,720 Speaker 1: it's important that the people who listen to you realize 1778 01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:32,960 Speaker 1: that they can have a voice. By joining this mission, 1779 01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:37,400 Speaker 1: and so also people can simply text lift to seven 1780 01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:40,960 Speaker 1: nine seven nine seven nine, and that will sign them up, 1781 01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:43,960 Speaker 1: you know, right away. Eventually, our hope is that this 1782 01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:45,880 Speaker 1: will not just be eradicating n d A S and 1783 01:32:45,960 --> 01:32:49,120 Speaker 1: pushing legislation with regard to that, but any other way 1784 01:32:49,120 --> 01:32:51,599 Speaker 1: in which women are subjugated. And that's why we decided 1785 01:32:51,640 --> 01:32:53,720 Speaker 1: to call it Lift our Voices, because we didn't want 1786 01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:56,880 Speaker 1: to say stop nd as, even though that's our first mission. 1787 01:32:57,520 --> 01:32:59,400 Speaker 1: We don't want to commit ourselves as to the amount 1788 01:32:59,400 --> 01:33:02,240 Speaker 1: of work that we do, and so Lift our Voices 1789 01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:06,880 Speaker 1: really encompasses, you know, an entire, wide ranging, wide ranging movement. 1790 01:33:07,560 --> 01:33:10,400 Speaker 1: I love it. I just love it. Thanks you've been 1791 01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:14,320 Speaker 1: traveling the country to give workshops to help women and 1792 01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:17,880 Speaker 1: and any men who have been subject to this learned 1793 01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:21,400 Speaker 1: their rights and help them combat sexual misconduct. What are 1794 01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:24,360 Speaker 1: you taking away from those trips? What's what's making you 1795 01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:27,240 Speaker 1: feel hopeful? Because we're sitting here talking about heavy things, 1796 01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:31,719 Speaker 1: But I see that fire in you, and I see 1797 01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:34,920 Speaker 1: how excited you are for the fight and and for 1798 01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:36,400 Speaker 1: what's going to be on the other side of it, 1799 01:33:36,479 --> 01:33:39,839 Speaker 1: for all of us, for for everyone in society, and 1800 01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:43,360 Speaker 1: and so I wonder, what's what's lifting you up about 1801 01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:46,040 Speaker 1: all these interactions you're having with people. Well, so shortly 1802 01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:48,560 Speaker 1: after my resolution, I started the Gretchen Carlson Gift of 1803 01:33:48,600 --> 01:33:52,799 Speaker 1: Courage Fund, and so I have been giving away money 1804 01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:57,000 Speaker 1: to organizations to lift up girls and boys, men and women. 1805 01:33:57,439 --> 01:34:00,120 Speaker 1: One of the initiatives that I started from that was 1806 01:34:00,160 --> 01:34:04,000 Speaker 1: the Gretchen Carlson Leadership Initiative for underprivileged women across our country. 1807 01:34:04,080 --> 01:34:06,200 Speaker 1: Because the number one question that I received after my 1808 01:34:06,240 --> 01:34:08,200 Speaker 1: case was, Okay, well, you might have had the means 1809 01:34:08,240 --> 01:34:11,240 Speaker 1: to hire fancy lawyers, and you had a national platform 1810 01:34:11,240 --> 01:34:13,280 Speaker 1: as a national journalist, but what about the fast food 1811 01:34:13,320 --> 01:34:16,519 Speaker 1: worker at McDonald's. And you know it, really, it really 1812 01:34:16,520 --> 01:34:18,679 Speaker 1: troubled me because honestly, I did not have a great 1813 01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:23,000 Speaker 1: answer for that. And through this initiative, my Leadership Initiative, 1814 01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:25,519 Speaker 1: I was able to create this thirteen city tour so 1815 01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:29,280 Speaker 1: far where we go to two cities and we provide 1816 01:34:29,560 --> 01:34:33,560 Speaker 1: free workshops for these women. We provide food and free childcare, 1817 01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:36,840 Speaker 1: free transportation so that they can come and get legal help, 1818 01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:39,600 Speaker 1: legal advice, and just learn more about the issue, to 1819 01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:42,240 Speaker 1: be empowered to know that their voice matters and I 1820 01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:44,080 Speaker 1: have to tell you it's been one of the one 1821 01:34:44,080 --> 01:34:46,000 Speaker 1: of the things that I've been most proud of over 1822 01:34:46,040 --> 01:34:48,920 Speaker 1: the last three years is seeing that I'm starting to 1823 01:34:48,920 --> 01:34:50,760 Speaker 1: make a difference in the communities that nobody else has 1824 01:34:50,760 --> 01:34:53,840 Speaker 1: cared about up until now, or at least not many 1825 01:34:53,880 --> 01:34:56,960 Speaker 1: people have cared about, and people aren't putting resources, they're 1826 01:34:57,000 --> 01:34:59,800 Speaker 1: not putting resources towards and so the main thing for 1827 01:34:59,800 --> 01:35:03,560 Speaker 1: me was to be able to to put those resources 1828 01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:07,400 Speaker 1: to good work, and so I've been really proud of that. 1829 01:35:07,680 --> 01:35:08,960 Speaker 1: So there. You know, there's a lot of things that 1830 01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:11,160 Speaker 1: I'm working on and juggling at the same time, but 1831 01:35:11,200 --> 01:35:13,880 Speaker 1: I think the central theme is that I'm working to 1832 01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:17,439 Speaker 1: help all women and the next generations so that we 1833 01:35:17,479 --> 01:35:23,280 Speaker 1: can finally eradicate these problems. So cool. So the thing 1834 01:35:23,320 --> 01:35:26,000 Speaker 1: that I love to ask everyone I said across from 1835 01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:29,719 Speaker 1: as the podcast is titled work in Progress, what feels 1836 01:35:29,720 --> 01:35:32,519 Speaker 1: like a work in progress in your life? My entire 1837 01:35:32,600 --> 01:35:35,080 Speaker 1: life has been a work in progress. As I said, 1838 01:35:35,080 --> 01:35:38,680 Speaker 1: my life works in mysterious ways. Right now, this has 1839 01:35:38,680 --> 01:35:41,240 Speaker 1: been the most rewarding work in progress for me. Is 1840 01:35:41,840 --> 01:35:45,679 Speaker 1: um trying to make life in society better for women, 1841 01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:48,640 Speaker 1: And you know, I think finally being recognized as the 1842 01:35:48,680 --> 01:35:51,360 Speaker 1: person that I've always been, which is a fighter for women, 1843 01:35:51,960 --> 01:35:57,599 Speaker 1: and and I feel like I'm so close two making 1844 01:35:58,520 --> 01:36:02,760 Speaker 1: major impactful change and being the final part of that 1845 01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:06,400 Speaker 1: tipping point of the cultural revolution that we're experiencing right now. 1846 01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:10,000 Speaker 1: And if I can pass this legislation, and if lift 1847 01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:13,160 Speaker 1: our voices can get thousands of people to join it, 1848 01:36:13,520 --> 01:36:15,080 Speaker 1: and we have power in numbers, and we can go 1849 01:36:15,120 --> 01:36:18,559 Speaker 1: to corporations and say you can't do this anymore. You know. Wow, 1850 01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:22,400 Speaker 1: I'm I'll feel pretty good about the movement that that 1851 01:36:22,479 --> 01:36:25,920 Speaker 1: I've had a part of. Yeah. Awesome. I can't wait 1852 01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:32,640 Speaker 1: to see it. Thanks, thank you. This show is executive 1853 01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:37,000 Speaker 1: produced by me, Sophia Bush, and sim Sarna. Our supervising 1854 01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:40,840 Speaker 1: producer is Alison Bresnick. Our associate producer is Kate Linley. 1855 01:36:41,479 --> 01:36:44,680 Speaker 1: Our editors are Josh Wendish and Matt Sasaki, and our 1856 01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:47,639 Speaker 1: music was written by Jack Garrett and produced by Mark Foster. 1857 01:36:48,040 --> 01:36:50,040 Speaker 1: This show is brought to you by Cloud to Anatomy