WEBVTT - #325 - Rory (Rory & Mal Podcast) 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:02.800 Yo, this is Rory. I'm on the Bootleg keV show 0:00:02.880 --> 0:00:06.280 Long Overdue. Please stream my album I'm begging you, or 0:00:06.320 --> 0:00:09.360 find a streaming farm. I thought it'd be different out tonight. 0:00:09.680 --> 0:00:11.960 If you know someone that is a streaming farm, I 0:00:12.080 --> 0:00:15.560 really really appreciate it. But this Bootleg keV episode is great. 0:00:15.840 --> 0:00:18.480 We've been meaning to do this shit mad salacious clips. 0:00:18.520 --> 0:00:23.640 We talk about everybody. 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:24.880 Bootleg keV Podcast Special guests. 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:28.640 The homie Rory is yes, off the the Shroom gummies too, 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:30.600 Off the Shroom. I took all seven, which I think 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:31.560 says twelve. 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:34.400 But you know, yes, you're about to have yourself a 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:34.920 fucking trip. 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:37.879 But I can't wait. Let's get let's get some headlines. Yo, 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:41.519 we're both one on the list. Oh sorry to say. 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:42.400 I was gonna say thank you. 0:00:42.479 --> 0:00:44.159 I wanted to thank you because you you, you and 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:46.559 mag showed me some love. I know there was that 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:49.200 a complex list that I don't know how you guys 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:51.480 didn't make it. I have some ideas, but it's fun, 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:55.040 but like I don't really like look into that shit 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:57.600 too much. You know, I honestly like never expect to 0:00:57.600 --> 0:00:59.080 make that kind of shit. So like when I saw 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:00.600 you guys shot me out. It meant a lot. It 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:00.960 was cool. 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:03.720 Man. Lists aren't important in the scope of things, but 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:05.560 they're great to talk about. I love a list. I'm 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:08.240 never above arguing about a list or just talking about shit, 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:10.200 whether we're on it or not. But I felt you 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:12.920 definitely should have been on it for hip hop media. 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:14.160 And you guys should have definitely been on it. 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:16.200 I mean, can we even have the conversation of what 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:17.520 is hip hop media? 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:20.039 Now? To me, you do hip hop media. I'm not 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:22.480 even quite sure if Mal and I do hip hop media. 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:25.880 I'm not sure if the podcast space is very much 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:29.080 hip hop media per se. I think you guys are 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:30.319 common touches. 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:33.800 There's touches of it at this point, right, But podcasting 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:35.959 has had to expand so much it's tough to like 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:39.039 just do the hip hops that's become niche How crazy 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:41.800 is that the biggest genre in the world. But podcasting 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:45.440 has gotten so big you can't just do hip hop shit. 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:47.240 I think that's why your guys and shit is so dope. 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:50.880 Coud you guys talk about just everything, like whatever's going on, Like, 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:52.720 you guys have a take on it for the most part, 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:56.919 you know, and it's good. How's everything with this album? 0:01:56.920 --> 0:01:57.080 Man? 0:01:57.160 --> 0:01:59.160 You know I used you had sent me, Well, you 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:01.000 just sent me the album twenty was before he showed up. 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:03.280 So yeah, I saw the way I swore I sent 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:04.840 it to you before and the way he had a 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:05.880 bunch of songs before. 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:08.960 Yeah, that are on the album obviously, But I haven't 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:11.280 listened to a front to back. But I know this 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:13.040 has been like your baby for a long time. 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:15.000 Yeah, it's been a long time coming. I mean when 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:18.400 I started, it was maybe like three years ago. And 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:21.960 luckily I had a lot of great excuses for why 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:24.960 it was taking so long. Right, one was the pandemic obviously, 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:27.560 and especially for great excuse, I loved it. Can't do 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:31.760 anything right. Also, even like with the other pod breakup, 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:33.760 like I had to reset on a lot of stuff. 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:36.920 So even getting mull and I's show up and running, 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:39.760 and you know, starting from zero with a whole new 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:42.480 show was a task in itself, where the album kind 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:45.120 of took a bit of a back seat. So, you know, 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:47.519 it was three years, but I can't say I worked 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:49.280 on it for three years. Like I had to stop 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:51.360 for a while, which was good though, because I mean 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:54.720 there's records had I put this album out two and 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:57.919 a half years ago, I probably would have fucking hated it, 0:02:57.960 --> 0:02:59.919 and I think I would have regretted, so like shot 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:03.000 out to China for COVID and shout out to the 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:04.160 Old Show for breaking. 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:06.560 Up, like shout to the China virus. Yeah it really 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:08.639 I'm sorry for everyone that lost grandparents, but it really 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:09.400 helped my album. 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:10.440 I lost my grandma. 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:13.560 Yeah, I have money than I ever had in the pandemic, 0:03:13.600 --> 0:03:14.680 So you know, I can't. 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:15.640 Tell by the plaques. 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:18.720 Well, these plaquess, fucking these are bullshit. You know that 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:21.200 they send people who play songs I ned to do 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:22.080 another songs. 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:24.040 You know, broke my heart when I went into certain 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:27.799 producers studios and saw all the plaques, but then realized 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:30.320 they were also DJs, right, and the labels used to 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:32.880 just send out plaques like you worked on the Miseducation 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:34.240 of Warren Hill, Like no. 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:35.760 No, yeah, Like I got a lot of my og 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:39.080 homies who have like a big l uh a big 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:42.400 picture plaque from Raucus. Yeah, and then like I started 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:45.120 to realize, like damn, everybody who's an old head in 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:47.200 the music industry I know has one of these, Like 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:50.360 not everybody could have worked on this ship, and what 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:52.800 did you work on on the big picture? Like you 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:56.240 live in La Yeah, like what happened? 0:03:56.280 --> 0:03:58.320 Like you know, but you got one production credit that 0:03:58.360 --> 0:03:58.880 I see here. 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:01.720 Yeah, So like the DJ plaques thing is very like, 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:04.120 uh I youn't know whatever. I mean, I'm not gonna 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:05.640 fucking turn them away. They look nicely, of. 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:07.880 Course, I'm justus. I have no plaques. I feel like 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:09.680 I should have some, but I just never like went 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:10.280 to collect. 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:13.320 None of the emotional orange stuff has gone gold yet. Yeah, 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:16.919 we're like quadruple platinum in Korea, so you got to 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:17.320 get one of them. 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:18.880 I have to get a Korean plaque for sure. 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:22.919 Yeah. Well, listen for people who don't know, because I 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:27.279 feel like a lot of people know you, yeah, but 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:31.680 they might not necessarily know your story. Kind of give 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:35.520 me a breakdown on like how you got even because 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:37.960 I think I first met you at like a Henny 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:40.120 palooza in LA like maybe four or. 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:41.960 Five years ago. Six years ago is downtown. 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:45.080 But give me a breakdown of just kind of how 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:48.600 you got into the industry. Obviously we know about the 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:49.479 Joe Budden podcast. 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:52.680 Yeah, well, I mean it started well before that. Yeah, 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:59.000 So my barber in college by Barbara, I mean, the 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:01.360 only guy that had clippers on the floor in the dorm. 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:04.320 Shout out to my man Owen, who I'm still really 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:06.720 cool with. He was interning at Deaf Jam and I 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:08.839 didn't even know that was like a thing. I was like, 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:10.960 you can, you can do that because there was like 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:14.120 internship programs at our college. But again I was like 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:16.000 a freshman, so I didn't know much about that, but 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:19.039 I assume like internship was like you interned at the 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:21.720 fucking financial aid office. Like I didn't know there was 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:25.839 real internships per se. And he was like, yeah, I'll 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:27.960 link you with the person I'm interning for because I 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:30.400 guess like legally you could only do one semester deaf 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:34.920 Jam at the time. So I interviewed with Sharen Taylor, 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:38.680 who was at RCA forever, been in the business forever too. 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:42.520 With her she was the assistant to Gabby Paluso. Ended 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:45.880 up getting the internship and kind of just going crazy 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:49.479 in that building. Like I was almost teetering on the 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:51.600 line of annoying, but like I was right on that 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:54.040 consistent line where people fucked with me. But I was 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:57.560 in every single apartment talking to every single person, ended 0:05:57.640 --> 0:06:00.680 up linking with Shot Money and just or even with 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:03.520 the neighborhood connection at that time. He took me under 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:06.080 his wing, and then where Shah went, I went. So 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:09.400 I would say Gabby Paluso, Shreene and Shaw Money were 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:12.160 like the three people that really introduced me into the 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:14.240 music business. That's actually how I met Benner. Benner was 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:16.760 working with Shaw Money. Benner's now my manager. And this 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:19.040 was when I was nineteen. I'm thirty three now. 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:21.680 So did you meet Benner at one of those random 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:25.960 beat conventions in Phoenix? Yes, that Sha used to do. 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:28.360 What were those the producer conferences? What were those called? 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:29.080 Fuck? 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:30.680 I don't know. I never could go because at the 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:34.560 time I was doing radio in like Middle America. But yeah, 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:36.440 I would always see my friends. I'd be like, God, damn, 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:36.840 this is. 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:39.200 It was the producer conference and shout out to Shan Money. 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:41.360 Go because ahead of his time, he had every producer 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:45.799 you could think of, all within like a convention center 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:47.800 and they would have beats battles, they would have like 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:50.159 conferences for producers. They would have like tech shit like 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:52.960 shot is such an adult thing with that you. No, 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:57.800 I was in high school. I think when yeah, how 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:00.200 I actually met Benner, my manager in this you know 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:03.160 the podcast knows them as well. Now was Better and 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:05.800 Sean Money were doing this thing called deaf Jam Cipher Sessions. 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:08.760 Shaw was VP of A and R at deaf Jam. 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:11.560 Betteran was moving around the industry and they started this 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:15.480 thing that was like the main act at deaf Jam 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:17.640 at the time for their regions. So, for example, the 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:19.480 first one was with Big Sean and then a bunch 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:21.720 of opening acts and then an actual cipher at SOBS. 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:24.560 Then they did the South one that had Big Crid Sahai. 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:27.320 Then the la won in the lineup was fucking nuts. 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:31.400 I think it was. Was it Kendrick dom Jesus was 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:32.520 Nipsey on that too. 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:39.240 Yg And this was two thousand and ten, Jesus, yeah day. 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:42.720 So they just did different regions and we did them 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:47.000 all at SOBS. I mean, I've talked to Big Sean 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:48.880 later in life and he was like, yeah, that deaf 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:51.560 Jam cipher session shit was like kind of the thing 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:53.720 that made the building pay attention to me. I wasn't 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:57.080 just the what you're doing bullshitting kid at that time, 0:07:57.200 --> 0:07:58.680 Like they were like, hey, maybe we should give them 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:01.480 Marvin Games Shardine. So it was really cool to be 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:02.600 on the ground floor with that stuff. 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:04.400 And that's the way what happened at Rosco Dash. Anyway, 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:08.440 continue he could be on an undercard for Versus and 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:11.320 do I he I mean super undercard. 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:13.400 Yeah, just like you know when people are walking in. 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:16.840 It'd be like the soldier boy bow wow undercard. 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:19.640 No, you have to put more respect on Roscoe Dash's name. 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:22.840 He had some hooks that he could go crazy on. Great, 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:27.000 Yeah he's got no hands Marvin Gan shard all the way. 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:29.560 Yeah you have Rosco Dash fucked up? 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:31.960 He got has he got a fourth or fifth and. 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:33.600 He might have some writing credits that he could play 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:34.000 as well. 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:35.880 He lives in Arizona. By the way, I heard. 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:39.360 This has just been the Arizona podcast already. Yeah, he 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:43.480 was on Oh my, come on shout hey. Anyway, we 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:45.000 got sidetracked with Roscoe Dash. 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:46.080 Uh. 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:49.880 But yeah, from there I met Aristotle, who is a 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:53.079 very talented music video director who now is doing feature films. 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:55.440 He just went to Sun Dance. H He has a 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:58.000 movie called Story of Executive produced by Jamie Fox, but 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:00.400 had a company called By any means. He was actually 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:03.320 Ja Cole's first manager, and we ended up connecting with 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:06.480 Kevin Lyles at KWL and kind of just forming like 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:08.320 we were their creative team more or less. When they 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:11.640 had Sean Trey. That's when three hundred came in, so 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:14.280 you know, early migos at that time, early young thug 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:16.600 at that time. And we were just all on park 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:19.960 Ad with fucking keV Leor and Todd just like doing 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:21.640 the creer what the fuck are we doing here? And 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:24.000 type shit. Leor sat across from me in a desk 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:25.679 that's like this wow, Like not. 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:28.520 In a cubicle that's fucking fire, and he would. 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:30.800 Just ask me the most intimidating questions all the time 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:33.600 with no context. Why should I know you? I don't know. 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:35.240 I feel like he could say anything. 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:38.920 He's an intimidating guy for sure. Really really nice guy though, 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:41.240 but he's intimidating as fuck. I'm real tight with his 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:44.240 brother Maddy, but I've never met Leor if. I just 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:45.520 watched all his interviews and I'm like. 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:48.080 This, dude, I heard he's really tall, yes, and he 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:50.720 just seems like he's just he speaks. 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:51.280 Like a Russian hit man. 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:54.960 Yeah, and he just leaves with like every every question 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:57.240 is uh, to start to meet somebody with why do 0:09:57.320 --> 0:09:58.000 I need to know you? 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:00.880 And you're like a nineteen twenty year old kid, like 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:03.040 you know what, you don't need to I'm just go home. 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:05.720 You don't need to know me. Bro, you're rich, like 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:06.560 I mean. 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:08.800 But no, that but that speaks to kind of why 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:11.719 I think Leor amongst a million other things, has been 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:14.680 so successful in this business. I was just some random 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:17.200 kid that was doing ship and he was like, yo, 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:19.840 what that wasn't a try to shit on me question. 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:21.680 That was to try to get to know me. Here's 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:23.560 your opportunity to tell me what you guys can do. 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:24.959 And no, I didn't say I just want to go home. 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:28.200 I showed him, Uh, stuff we were doing for the 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:30.720 smaller artists on three hundred of like social clips and 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:34.560 like Mike we built. No, it was this kid from 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:38.920 God he's from Washington, not DC like state. I forgot 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:41.360 his name, but we were doing a lot of stuff. Yes, 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:44.520 this this guy named Mackelmore Travis shout out to Travis. 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:47.720 So yeah, it was That's like was the early stuff 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:50.440 before like Polosa and the pod hit and everything. I'm 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:52.360 sorry if I bored people know that. I never think 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:53.040 people want to know. 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:54.600 That you have like a real, real I feel like 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:57.040 not a lot like maybe people were just you know 0:10:57.080 --> 0:10:58.680 a lot of people see your guys as clips and 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:00.640 they don't really necessarily die all the way in because 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:03.640 you guys have like two or three hour long episodes. Yeah, 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:05.920 so you have like real roots in the music industry, but. 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:07.800 In both sides too. Like I did the label ship, 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:10.160 I did the creative ship, I did the independent ship. 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:13.400 Like I've I've kind of had every single aspect of 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:15.680 the music industry, which I'm happy about. 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:19.680 And then you guys obviously created a dope brand Henny Pulouza, 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:22.319 which toward I mean. 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:23.600 For forever then. 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:28.320 Yeah, love, yeah, do say it's do St palusin hour? 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:28.640 Is it? 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:29.480 Is it still a thing? 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:31.120 It's not a thing though, Okay, it's done. I don't 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:32.680 know if I'm officially allowed to say that. But we're not. 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:34.679 We're not coming back. It's over. Yeah. Sorry if we 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:38.240 didn't have like more of a a whole closing type thing, 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:40.959 but yeah, we we ended at the Barclays. That's the 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:43.480 way COVID I seriously jokes aside was a huge part 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:46.839 of that and then also after COVID, like we all 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:51.040 got kind of old, Like that ship becomes exhausting when 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:55.280 you're traveling around the world drinking yeah, like a lot. 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:59.080 Yeah yeah, it becomes really really tiring. So I mean, 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:01.440 it was an era, an incredible thing. I think it's 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:05.719 in the lineage of parties within the culture, like I 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:09.000 think and no way am I like saying we're the tunnel, 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:11.480 but for our era, Like that's a staple for our 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:14.120 era as far as what was going on in hip 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:15.800 hop at the time with parties, and I think we 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:18.240 changed how parties are now, Like the day party is 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:21.200 the thing now, the branded party is the thing, the 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:24.720 club the thing. The clubs are you know, have been dying. 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:26.560 I think they're trying to make a comeback with these 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:28.960 these new set of kids. 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:31.200 I just opened a club in Scottsdale, and it's like 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:35.640 it's been fucking great. M it's been amazing, But you know, 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:37.520 we've been lucky. We kind of feeled that there was 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:39.240 no hip hop clubs left in a Z so we 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:42.200 opened the spot and opened it right before Super Bowl. 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:45.440 Whatever happened to that rapper Juice from He Goes by 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:48.520 Richie Evans, Now he was really dope, still is dope. 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:53.880 Richie's dope. He's og Muggs, my boy. Og Muggs manages him, 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:56.520 who's like Tech nine security and Need forty Security. And 0:12:56.840 --> 0:12:59.040 he just he just performed at Gary V's Vcon. 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:03.120 Okay, a little different than Black Wall Street. 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:05.240 But yeah, he goes by Richie Evans. Now he was dope. 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:07.320 I was like Juice a lot. Juice was dope. Yeah, 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:10.480 the Blackwaster. And then we had hot Rod who was 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:13.600 signed a G Unit, and then we had Willie north 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:15.840 Pole who was signed to Ludicrous. 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:17.839 I remember Willie north Pole, and of course I remember 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:19.640 hot Rod. Hot Rod had a record with Mary J. 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:23.720 He did be easy. And you know the thing about 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:25.959 hot Rod is he still lives in Arizona. He's kind 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:27.800 of like a social media like he runs some funny 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:29.559 pages and stuff shot to him. I think it's the 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:31.839 Ship's Good Times Jackson on Instagram. But he was really 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:35.600 from Sacramento, so Arizona really never embraced him like that 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:37.160 because he was he was from Sacramento. 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:40.319 Okay, well, I mean we all thought he was firing Repedasy. 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:43.520 That was a weird time in G Unit to be 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:44.240 super weird. 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:46.280 That was like when you could you could tell it 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:49.880 was like, you know, I remember when I was super 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:53.640 excited the MLP and Mob Deeper on G Unit, Body 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:56.160 Blood Money was a decent album. There was some singles 0:13:56.160 --> 0:14:01.199 on there. MP never dropped the album on JUNI. 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:03.679 Did they not that I remember, no, But I thought, 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:07.040 even in my young naive time at that when they 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:09.400 signed Mob Deep, I love Mob Deep, and I didn't 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:10.840 think it was over for Mob Deep. I just thought 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:14.160 it was weird that Gunit was signing acts older than them, 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:16.760 and I was like, this is odd the MOP. 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:19.480 Sign and love MOP Warriors is one of my favorite albums. 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:23.080 I fucking love Mop. I just I was like, this 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:25.960 is cool and shout out to As a kid, I 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:29.120 wasn't thinking to myself, like why is fifty signing guys 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:31.480 that are older than him? And underground is fun? Yeah, 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:34.440 I was just like this is lit. Like I didn't 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:36.800 think anybody was liked Mop but me, you know what 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:37.560 I'm saying, Like. 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:40.000 I just figured it was all some petty shit behind 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:43.120 the scenes because it wasn't MP on Rockefeller. Yeah, then 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:45.600 I think yes, And then there was something there was 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:49.840 some other g Unit petty beef that he also signed. 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:53.760 That makes it the fuck you I'm signing MP by 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:55.880 the way, that you don't know remix the only version 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:56.680 of the song I prefer. 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:58.840 Yeah, I agree Blueprint too, you know what I mean. 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:00.760 I'm glad this is the only podcasts I can have 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:03.480 Juice conversations on. This is why so I didn't cover 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:05.000 with my regular press friend. Shit, I just want to 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:06.080 talk about Juice Arizona. 0:15:08.720 --> 0:15:12.320 Yeah, so you obviously did you ever have any sort 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:16.480 of like idea that you would even because you're pretty like, 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:21.480 you know, I wouldn't say you're like an outward personality, 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:23.720 you know what I mean, You're you're a pretty like 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:26.560 chill dude. Like. Did you have ever any sort of 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:29.320 aspirations to be a personality or I mean, obviously you 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:30.720 fell into the podcast situation. 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:35.920 No, by any means absolutely not. Like even with Palooza, 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:39.520 everyone knows Polusa. You never saw me unless you saw 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:41.640 me losing my mind backstage, running around working like. I 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:43.880 never wanted to be on stage, even when they would 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:45.680 do like the moments of the toa snaw. Shit, I 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:47.520 never I don't know. Maybe it's I don't know, if 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:49.600 it's shyness, don't it's only child thing. I'm just not. 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:52.760 I don't like attention. It makes me feel really really uncomfortable, 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:54.720 and not in like the cool way people say it, like, 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:59.480 it makes me really uncomfortable. So I didn't. But podcasting 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:04.760 is rastically different in that regard. Like when we started 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:07.600 the podcast, I was, you know, producing it for the 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:10.480 first beginning of it before I got on an episode 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:12.800 seven where the fuck it was? But that was very 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:15.800 much a comfortable thing because it was amongst friends. It 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:19.840 was something we could control, Like and it's you like 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:23.560 palooza with the host on stage and ship like you 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:26.440 have to be the bravado, the charismatic like that. That's 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:27.800 something that I don't possess. 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:31.080 So that would come across very inauthentic and corny, and 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:32.880 I would you nuts very cringing. 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:35.440 Yes, I don't think you want me to be like 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:37.840 yo yo, put your motherfucking answer. I love I love 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:39.600 swag Serf, but I should not be leading it. That's 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:43.680 all I'm saying, motherfucker, we're about to do the swag surf. 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:49.840 And even like I'm rory to be my new drop actually, 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:54.560 and even with radio, like there is comma radio personalities, 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:57.400 but there is very much the flex or Star or 0:16:57.440 --> 0:17:00.480 even Ebro has a lot of provider actually New York. Yeah, 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:03.760 but that's that's a little tamer, Like you know, Envy's 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:06.840 been very successful as a radio personality. Rosenberg too, and 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:10.600 they're not like really loud people in that regard. But 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:13.600 podcasting was even more in my corner. I could just 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:16.880 be myself the entire time. I don't have to turn 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:18.400 something on, like all right, we're back from a commercial 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:20.919 break and it's like that was number ten, Like I 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:22.760 I would it would just feel corny to me, and 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:24.240 I think it would come across that way. So it 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:27.320 was never something I wanted to do, but podcasting for sure, 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:30.679 and that's opened me up Paul's to other things that 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:32.600 I probably wouldn't have done, like even with the live shows. 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:35.000 I shot my own live show for the role out 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:37.560 of this album, Like I got more comfortable in that 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:41.159 space knowing that I can do it myself and do 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:42.800 it the way I want to do rather than the 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:44.879 structure of what a radio would be or what a 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:48.360 party host would be or you know, a TV host would. 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:50.280 I can do the ship the way I want to. 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:51.600 And that's why I love podcasting. 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:55.639 And you're not you're obviously not screaming all over your album. 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:57.000 No, I fucking wish. 0:17:57.119 --> 0:17:59.040 Shutry Lenox pret bl. 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:05.080 I thought about it another two I thought about it. 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:08.880 I actually had. I had a good amount of skits 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:12.159 that were pod related throughout the album, like in the 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:14.800 early phases of it. But then it started to feel 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:18.399 too much uh not parody, I would wouldn't use that word, 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:21.439 but it felt too much like the pod shit, like 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:24.040 this wasn't as serious as what the album became. 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:25.960 You kind of wanted people to like, I mean, yeah, 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:27.560 I mean I respect it, like you want people to 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:29.919 take take the music very serious. And I'd be like, 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:31.680 is what is this? This is the podcast guy? 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:34.720 And it was fun with someone like the pod skits 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:36.199 I had in between, and maybe I will do that 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:39.119 one day after. I hope people take me seriously on 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:41.679 this one. But yeah, it felt like I was I 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:42.640 was doing a joke. 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:47.119 Do you because obviously there has been like you know, 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:49.160 compilation albums have been a thing in hip hop for sure, 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:52.520 but uh even more recently some of my Callity Who's 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:55.840 Fucking Huge and the Metro Metro Booming produces, but that's 0:18:55.880 --> 0:18:59.680 one of my favorite albums. YE recent memory there hasn't 0:18:59.720 --> 0:19:02.159 really been I mean I could be wrong, but there 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:05.400 really hasn't been somebody in my peripherals that has done 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:06.440 the R and B route. 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:09.159 No. I mean you can think of like a Robert 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:12.239 Glasper who's producing everything and putting like Black Radio three, 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:15.359 who was one of my favorite albums last year. So 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:18.400 there's always been those type of like producer albums per se. 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:21.800 And you're like, yeah, and I mean still, you know, 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:24.119 still very much have a hand in the production, arranging 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:26.560 and writing of everything. Not to the degree of course 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:29.360 that Robert Glasper does, but yeah, very much a part 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:31.680 of each record. I yeah, I think R and B 0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:33.919 needed that because this it started out more as like 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:36.280 an original playlist is what I was gonna call it, 0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:38.880 Like let me get original records from artists and put 0:19:38.920 --> 0:19:42.320 together my own playlist of original music. And then that 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:45.120 turned into like, hey, this feels more like an album, 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:47.359 and I've never seen anyone in R and B do this. 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:50.960 And even with like the Khalid perspective, he gets the 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:54.520 biggest names, which is great, but there is especially now 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:58.280 such a sub genre where superstars aren't as important anymore. 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:01.639 Sure and fans have these huge, huge cult fan bases, 0:20:01.680 --> 0:20:03.159 Like you know, when you go on streaming and it 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:06.640 says an artist page, you may like under here. Yeah, 0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:10.760 that's almost this version in an album, because there's so 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:13.080 many like artists that people have not heard of, but 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:15.560 they've heard of another artist, and this fan base is 0:20:15.600 --> 0:20:17.440 just waiting to hear from this artist. So let's put 0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:20.560 them together. And then you do get moments where I'll 0:20:20.560 --> 0:20:22.360 get a Jay Electronica and put them on a song 0:20:22.400 --> 0:20:25.560 with Reggie, who is brand new. That would never happen 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:28.840 on a Kalid project. It would just be j Electronica 0:20:28.960 --> 0:20:30.240 and fucking jay Z. Yeah. 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:33.359 It's like, let me do some stuff that wouldn't happen 0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:34.600 otherwise unless I do it. 0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:36.560 And I'm a huge Griselda fan. 0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:40.000 I've always on the always wanted to hear Conway on 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:44.400 something that would be more played at H and M. 0:20:44.440 --> 0:20:46.720 More of a dance record. Uh, you know something you 0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:49.320 can try on tight T shirts too, and Conway doesn't 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:51.119 sound weird on it. Lo No, Yeah, that's one of 0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:51.840 the records you sent me. 0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:54.480 That's fucking shout out to Conway, who I feel like 0:20:54.520 --> 0:20:55.840 Conway can really do anything. 0:20:56.160 --> 0:20:57.840 Oh he I. 0:20:57.800 --> 0:21:00.880 Don't think I told this story. Ben O may Tols. 0:21:01.400 --> 0:21:03.919 I don't know when I sent it to Conway. 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:06.840 I met up with him at engine room in U 0:21:07.000 --> 0:21:08.760 in the city and he's like, why did you send 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:12.159 me that record? And I was like, fuck, what the 0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:14.479 fuck did I do? Because you know, just like Lee 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:18.119 or he's an intimidating guy, just for different reasons aigrette 0:21:19.240 --> 0:21:22.000 yeah and a whole bottle any And he was like, 0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:23.600 why did you send me that that type of record. 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:25.040 I was like, I mean, I just wanted to hear 0:21:25.040 --> 0:21:27.600 you on something like that, and he was like, no, 0:21:27.760 --> 0:21:30.840 thank you. Everyone just sends me beats that sound like 0:21:30.880 --> 0:21:33.359 Alchemists or Darren and he was like, I would have 0:21:33.400 --> 0:21:35.080 done the verse for you, because like, I fuck with you. 0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:37.199 But when you sent that, like I got excited to 0:21:37.240 --> 0:21:40.320 come cut this first. Finally someone sent me something that 0:21:40.480 --> 0:21:43.080 wasn't in the same realm whenever they want to fucking 0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:46.560 Griselda feature. So that like those types of sessions were 0:21:46.560 --> 0:21:48.879 like real wins to me behind the scenes, like I 0:21:48.960 --> 0:21:51.119 was able to get artists to do shit that they 0:21:51.240 --> 0:21:53.439 wanted to do but maybe didn't have the opportunity to 0:21:53.440 --> 0:21:54.200 do as far as sound. 0:21:54.359 --> 0:21:56.320 A lot of times these guys get typecasted with the 0:21:56.359 --> 0:21:59.080 type of beats they they get sent. Mean, it's like 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:01.840 you know, I've heard I heard a there was a 0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:03.680 I don't know if Conway ever played you this song 0:22:03.720 --> 0:22:06.000 he had that's never gonna come out, but we've talked 0:22:06.000 --> 0:22:08.200 about it on the podcast. But he had a record 0:22:08.200 --> 0:22:11.160 with hit Maker that was on a hit Maker beat 0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:13.800 that's sampled. I think it's sampled some big or something. 0:22:13.880 --> 0:22:14.920 Yeah, I record my phone. 0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:15.760 Boogie's on it. 0:22:16.880 --> 0:22:17.719 Sorry, I choked him. 0:22:18.680 --> 0:22:21.760 That record's fucking crazy, super crazy single. 0:22:22.160 --> 0:22:25.439 Yeah. I think. Uh, I'm not gonna speak on the 0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:28.320 politics of of what stopped that, but uh, that record 0:22:28.359 --> 0:22:30.400 was crazy. It was it was a biggie sample, a boogie. 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:34.560 I think someone else on it, maybe Jeremi maybe, yes, 0:22:34.680 --> 0:22:36.080 could be I have it in my phone from a 0:22:36.080 --> 0:22:38.040 long time ago. But there's a lot of those those 0:22:38.040 --> 0:22:40.960 beats that I feel like Riselda wanted to do and 0:22:41.040 --> 0:22:43.320 had to wait. But I think they took their time 0:22:43.320 --> 0:22:45.280 in the right way. I think what Benny's doing, I think, 0:22:45.600 --> 0:22:48.000 you know Conway with the Justice League thing that's about 0:22:48.000 --> 0:22:52.480 to come out as well as Perfect and Yeah, I 0:22:52.480 --> 0:22:54.160 think they've they've changed their their sound. 0:22:54.640 --> 0:22:59.879 I just watched the entirety of your guys's blog era 0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:03.399 A Jeopardy or whatever the fuck it was. I watched 0:23:03.400 --> 0:23:04.000 the whole thing. 0:23:04.080 --> 0:23:06.399 Shout out to Instagram, Jeff Eric, Yeah. 0:23:06.280 --> 0:23:09.159 Because they have the new the new podcast. 0:23:08.840 --> 0:23:10.040 Which is phenomenal by the way. 0:23:10.080 --> 0:23:13.360 Yeah, first episode was great because I was like, Wow, 0:23:13.400 --> 0:23:16.280 the blog era, this is my life. Yeah, but that 0:23:16.320 --> 0:23:18.560 shit was that shit was that was great? 0:23:18.600 --> 0:23:20.800 Man, That was a fucking yeah, it was. 0:23:20.840 --> 0:23:23.960 It was you won too. I think that's everybody. 0:23:24.000 --> 0:23:26.720 That's my era. Yeah, that's definitely my era. And I 0:23:26.760 --> 0:23:30.000 mean and where I'm home home turf SOB stage. 0:23:29.760 --> 0:23:34.760 Like that's where I was birthed. Oh it was at Sobs. Yeah, people, 0:23:34.920 --> 0:23:36.359 if you know, you know type of thing that was 0:23:37.040 --> 0:23:39.640 once Like once it was such a staple. 0:23:39.320 --> 0:23:41.359 For New York City and the blog era was like, 0:23:41.400 --> 0:23:43.080 we could shoot this at my crib, we could shoot 0:23:43.119 --> 0:23:45.800 this at some stage, but doing it at Sobs made 0:23:45.840 --> 0:23:48.119 it feel cooler, even if no one realized we were 0:23:48.160 --> 0:23:48.920 at Sobs. 0:23:48.960 --> 0:23:53.080 Who to you is like the biggest blog era? Would 0:23:53.080 --> 0:23:53.480 it could have? 0:23:53.680 --> 0:23:55.320 What if Charles S. Hamilson by far? 0:23:55.400 --> 0:23:56.280 Oh my god, me too. 0:23:56.720 --> 0:23:58.199 It's not even close. And I mean that, and I 0:23:58.240 --> 0:23:59.280 mean that respectfully. I don't mean that. 0:23:59.320 --> 0:24:01.720 And like I remember, there was that YouTube video of 0:24:01.800 --> 0:24:04.800 Charles Hamilton backstage. I think the Game was in. It 0:24:04.840 --> 0:24:08.600 was Kanye there. Yes, Charles Hamilton is a snapping he 0:24:08.840 --> 0:24:12.040 was a it was like the Green Lantern mixtape where 0:24:12.040 --> 0:24:13.800 he sampled Stained Outside. 0:24:14.080 --> 0:24:14.800 I'm on the. 0:24:15.280 --> 0:24:18.800 Wait, am I am? I confusing that with fucking that's 0:24:18.840 --> 0:24:19.919 Charles Hamilton. 0:24:19.640 --> 0:24:22.679 Right, I'm sure he's sampled staying before. I got almost 0:24:22.680 --> 0:24:23.159 guarantee it. 0:24:23.240 --> 0:24:25.040 I'm confusing that or removed music, but I mean the 0:24:25.160 --> 0:24:28.280 uh Joe also sampled that Pink Liba lamp was one 0:24:28.320 --> 0:24:31.520 of my favorite from the blog era as far as mixtapes. 0:24:31.720 --> 0:24:35.000 And if you look at Charles Hamilton outside of just 0:24:35.000 --> 0:24:38.560 his sheer talent, he had Jimmy Ivan and Jimmy Iven 0:24:38.760 --> 0:24:41.720 banked on him too. That's a different type of animal 0:24:41.760 --> 0:24:44.280 when you have Jimmy Ivien. That's why he's in rooms 0:24:44.320 --> 0:24:48.400 with Game in Kanye that early and it just sea 0:24:48.960 --> 0:24:49.920 was the pink backpack. 0:24:50.400 --> 0:24:54.399 Yeah, it's just listen man, mental health and prayers to him. 0:24:54.400 --> 0:24:56.639 I know he still does make music. But I'm always 0:24:56.640 --> 0:24:58.280 been a Charles Hamilton fan. I don't mean that in 0:24:58.320 --> 0:25:01.760 a way like would meet too, but I know he 0:25:01.800 --> 0:25:04.119 went at him. I mean he was and he was 0:25:04.160 --> 0:25:08.119 even I think two years ahead of even where music 0:25:08.200 --> 0:25:10.800 was about to go with the blog era as far 0:25:10.880 --> 0:25:14.200 as I don't like the word nerd, but switching over 0:25:14.520 --> 0:25:16.080 to that trying. 0:25:15.800 --> 0:25:18.359 Like an actual nerdy guy. Yeah, like yeah, he referred 0:25:18.400 --> 0:25:21.879 himself as a blogger before it, Like for sure, I remember, Uh, 0:25:22.240 --> 0:25:27.600 there was a song that he sampled. Was it he sampled? Uh, 0:25:27.880 --> 0:25:32.119 like the sounds of like windows, and like I forget 0:25:32.200 --> 0:25:35.240 what it was. But he he also had that high 0:25:35.280 --> 0:25:37.520 output that got to the point where I was just like, 0:25:38.119 --> 0:25:40.160 I don't know what's going on anymore. Yeah, I don't 0:25:40.160 --> 0:25:42.760 know how many z share fucking links. This guy's fucking dropping. 0:25:42.840 --> 0:25:44.840 He had like fucking thirty mixtapes. And then he ended 0:25:44.880 --> 0:25:47.840 up beefing with Roys over the Dila thing. 0:25:48.119 --> 0:25:51.359 Yeah, which was a mistake, but that's being it felt 0:25:51.359 --> 0:25:54.200 like that was the beginning, being the quote unquote nerd 0:25:54.240 --> 0:25:57.639 and not realizing even if you are from Harlem, Cleveland, whatever, 0:25:57.760 --> 0:26:00.560 like not knowing that you're just a Jade Dila fan, 0:26:01.520 --> 0:26:03.639 but not realizing how offensive that could be to the 0:26:03.640 --> 0:26:06.280 family that you just said your album was executive produced 0:26:06.280 --> 0:26:09.159 by him and he passed. You didn't even doubt, like 0:26:09.160 --> 0:26:11.159 you didn't even steal some Dilla beats on the internet, 0:26:11.160 --> 0:26:13.320 Like you just said you saw him in a dream 0:26:13.359 --> 0:26:15.360 and he executive produced it. And it's like that can 0:26:15.359 --> 0:26:17.479 get really offensive to people that were friends with him. 0:26:17.520 --> 0:26:19.960 And now he's dead, Like, yeah, he tried to make 0:26:20.000 --> 0:26:22.679 and Detroit is just not one of those cities he 0:26:22.720 --> 0:26:24.160 tried to make. Protect Jake Dilla. 0:26:24.280 --> 0:26:26.080 When you trying to make a comeback a few years ago, 0:26:26.320 --> 0:26:29.480 was it three or four years ago? Yeah, I was like, oh. 0:26:29.840 --> 0:26:32.720 Yeah, he did. He did an interview on Hot ninety seven. 0:26:32.760 --> 0:26:34.880 I think he had a record out with Rita Aura 0:26:35.119 --> 0:26:38.080 was like the comeback I think. So I could be wrong, 0:26:38.119 --> 0:26:42.800 but I think Rita Aura and he looked healthy, but 0:26:42.880 --> 0:26:45.479 you could tell he was like really really on meds, 0:26:45.520 --> 0:26:48.520 like meds had mellowed him out, like a little too much, right, 0:26:49.000 --> 0:26:51.879 And I think he just wasn't ready for a comeback 0:26:51.880 --> 0:26:53.560 because it didn't look like there was creativity. It just 0:26:53.560 --> 0:26:56.119 looked like he was mended the fuck out. Didn't make 0:26:56.119 --> 0:26:59.080 it under your album. I would definitely work with Charles Hanmilinson, 0:26:59.160 --> 0:27:02.280 depending on where his health was. As far as like 0:27:02.280 --> 0:27:02.880 a human being. 0:27:02.880 --> 0:27:03.719 He's an alien bro. 0:27:04.320 --> 0:27:06.840 He's amazing, and all the stunts that he did at 0:27:06.840 --> 0:27:10.639 that time, we would deem genius had there been a 0:27:10.640 --> 0:27:13.399 different result. And I think a lot of the result 0:27:13.720 --> 0:27:15.760 had to do with his mental health and the situations 0:27:15.800 --> 0:27:18.080 he was in. But all that shit we're talking about 0:27:18.080 --> 0:27:20.160 with the thirty albums, all the Internet shit he was doing, 0:27:20.200 --> 0:27:24.480 only putting music out on his website, even the stunts 0:27:24.480 --> 0:27:26.800 he was doing with the Lady Gaga shit, the Rihanna shit, 0:27:27.480 --> 0:27:29.679 even down to the j Dilla thing to some degree, 0:27:29.800 --> 0:27:33.119 if that would have panned out better and he wasn't 0:27:33.160 --> 0:27:35.119 who he was as a person, we would be like, 0:27:35.200 --> 0:27:36.479 Charles SAMs is a genius. 0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:39.520 He mastered the Internet first, Yes, exactly, and it's ahead 0:27:39.520 --> 0:27:40.040 of his time. 0:27:40.480 --> 0:27:42.879 And that's what's so crazy about the Internet and artists 0:27:42.880 --> 0:27:44.800 like it just takes like one or two things that 0:27:44.840 --> 0:27:47.400 can change your entire legacy from looking like a genius 0:27:47.440 --> 0:27:48.800 to looking like an absolute one. 0:27:48.800 --> 0:27:50.680 I always say that shit about riff Raff. I'm like, guys, 0:27:50.800 --> 0:27:53.199 riff Raff was so ahead of the cloud era, like 0:27:53.280 --> 0:27:56.280 he was like the original, like SoundCloud cloud rapper. He 0:27:56.320 --> 0:27:59.040 was just doing this mother got a world star tattoo 0:27:59.040 --> 0:27:59.960 of BT Tatty. 0:28:00.280 --> 0:28:01.720 What is he like? What does he do now? 0:28:02.040 --> 0:28:05.199 He still he's just joked like he looks like a 0:28:05.240 --> 0:28:07.760 fucking bro. He looks like a gnarly wrestler bro, like 0:28:07.800 --> 0:28:11.960 he's got a mullet and fucking shades. And I don't know, man. 0:28:11.840 --> 0:28:13.600 I'd never really paid attention to riff Raff like that. 0:28:13.920 --> 0:28:16.960 I always just loved his YouTube videos where he would 0:28:17.000 --> 0:28:20.920 just like ramble because he would just say, like he's 0:28:20.960 --> 0:28:24.480 genuinely like a fucking funny guy. Yeah, but I never, like, 0:28:24.640 --> 0:28:28.200 you know, dived into riff Raff's music. I did DJ 0:28:28.280 --> 0:28:29.679 for him once at Ultra in Miami. 0:28:29.680 --> 0:28:32.119 Please let me know how that went, Like, how'd you 0:28:32.119 --> 0:28:33.480 guys put the setlist together? Can he tell me the 0:28:33.520 --> 0:28:36.520 green room? So I got hit up to what was 0:28:36.560 --> 0:28:37.080 on the rider? 0:28:37.600 --> 0:28:39.840 I don't know about that. He used the best I 0:28:39.880 --> 0:28:42.080 was living in tamp at the time, and at the time, 0:28:42.160 --> 0:28:46.160 Riffrass got a fucking uh I style shark grill naturally 0:28:48.080 --> 0:28:51.200 right right right, So they needed a DJ. My boy 0:28:51.240 --> 0:28:53.280 Mike Leberman was working with him, So I had a 0:28:53.400 --> 0:28:57.920 DJ for him at Ultra and at the like, he's 0:28:57.960 --> 0:29:00.880 performing a bunch of girls. He's got all these cutouts 0:29:00.880 --> 0:29:03.840 of himself and his husky. He's got a husky that's famous. 0:29:04.040 --> 0:29:07.960 Okay uh And then like on the fly, he decides 0:29:08.000 --> 0:29:10.640 he wants to dj inn DM set like on my 0:29:10.720 --> 0:29:12.040 computer with my library. 0:29:12.000 --> 0:29:15.040 Yeah so you had everything set up? No, I did it? 0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:15.400 I know. 0:29:15.880 --> 0:29:18.720 So you know, I'm trying to like talk him through, 0:29:18.840 --> 0:29:21.320 like you know, there's like intro mix show, intro versions 0:29:21.320 --> 0:29:25.120 of songs, and I'm like on the fly trying. 0:29:24.800 --> 0:29:27.840 To, like hip hop DJ trying to teach someone who's 0:29:27.840 --> 0:29:29.600 never DJ'ed how to do an DM set. 0:29:29.480 --> 0:29:31.880 In the middle of during his set at home at 0:29:31.960 --> 0:29:34.520 Ultra and it was perfect. It was a fucking mess. 0:29:35.480 --> 0:29:36.520 Good guy though, Good guy. 0:29:36.560 --> 0:29:37.640 Yeah, still stay in contact. 0:29:38.320 --> 0:29:39.800 We haven't talked for a while. He's a nice guy though. 0:29:39.800 --> 0:29:40.000 I like. 0:29:40.080 --> 0:29:41.680 I like, well, if he lived in Chandler, Arizona for 0:29:41.720 --> 0:29:43.160 a while, him is huskies. 0:29:43.800 --> 0:29:45.200 Everything does go back to Arizona. 0:29:45.200 --> 0:29:45.720 I guess they do. 0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:47.240 What do you want from me? Man? 0:29:47.360 --> 0:29:50.880 Ghost sons? But yeah, no shout out to refer you 0:29:50.880 --> 0:29:52.560 know who else was a big what if for me? 0:29:52.680 --> 0:29:54.880 Was x V Oh love x V Yeah? 0:29:54.920 --> 0:29:58.160 Wow, I haven't that album? Yeah, XV was Dope, executive 0:29:58.160 --> 0:30:00.520 produced by Just Blaze, Zero Heroes. 0:30:01.320 --> 0:30:02.280 What did happen to x V? 0:30:03.440 --> 0:30:05.440 I still follow him. He just put out some music, 0:30:05.480 --> 0:30:08.080 but he had that he had Zero Heroes, which was. 0:30:08.080 --> 0:30:11.240 So firey pre pre blog era. And I was talking 0:30:11.280 --> 0:30:12.520 to Jeff and Eric about this. I don't think it 0:30:12.600 --> 0:30:14.800 ever made you know on camera though. There was a 0:30:14.840 --> 0:30:17.120 time when I thought Drake and Nicholas f were a 0:30:17.120 --> 0:30:20.480 group because they they were because at a time, like 0:30:21.640 --> 0:30:23.480 even before blogs per se, it was just like there 0:30:23.480 --> 0:30:24.960 would just be websites where they would just post a 0:30:24.960 --> 0:30:27.560 bunch of fucking music. There was like thirty five Drake 0:30:27.640 --> 0:30:30.000 and Nicholas f shit And then Comeback Season came out 0:30:30.000 --> 0:30:31.880 and I was like, oh, did they split up? Yeah? 0:30:31.920 --> 0:30:34.120 What happened to that guy too? By the way, Nicholas 0:30:34.200 --> 0:30:35.680 has been around, I actually think he was doing something 0:30:35.720 --> 0:30:36.240 in media. 0:30:36.520 --> 0:30:39.760 I remember point there was a random Fonte Drake record. 0:30:39.760 --> 0:30:41.120 Was Nicholas f on it with them? 0:30:41.240 --> 0:30:43.480 No, you're talking about think good Thoughts? That was not 0:30:43.520 --> 0:30:46.000 a random record, relaxed. It's an incredible record. 0:30:46.000 --> 0:30:48.480 It was like it was like a Lucy No. 0:30:48.560 --> 0:30:50.920 It was on Comeback Season ninth to the beat L's 0:30:50.960 --> 0:30:52.800 I think was supposed to be. There's an LZI verse 0:30:52.800 --> 0:30:55.400 that didn't make it, I believe, and I'm really nerding 0:30:55.440 --> 0:30:58.040 out now comeback season, think good thoughts. Fante Drake. 0:30:58.200 --> 0:31:00.280 You have Fonte on this album I Do Yes, which 0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:03.600 is like amazing, bigger than having Hove on it to me, 0:31:04.240 --> 0:31:06.200 Little Brother my favorite. 0:31:06.360 --> 0:31:07.680 Artist, and it's not even close. 0:31:08.560 --> 0:31:12.800 Fante is a special guy. Uh, It's crazy how historically 0:31:12.880 --> 0:31:15.360 slept on he is, how talented he is. He's amazing 0:31:15.360 --> 0:31:17.920 singer too. You got him sing singing or rapping singing, Yeah, 0:31:17.920 --> 0:31:20.400 because he could sing. He's what was the project he 0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:24.800 was putting out for Exchange. This is very much Nicola 0:31:24.920 --> 0:31:28.640 Nickolay was very talented. Yeah, other side on my album 0:31:28.800 --> 0:31:31.600 is definitely Fante and shout out to be my Fiasco. 0:31:31.640 --> 0:31:35.240 Who's sign of Fante? Extremely talented singer from North Carolina. 0:31:35.600 --> 0:31:38.160 It's very much in the early Foreign Exchange house bag, 0:31:38.680 --> 0:31:41.080 which was some of my favorite stuff. Like you know, 0:31:41.120 --> 0:31:43.400 I was a rap NERD fan, but Little Brother as 0:31:43.400 --> 0:31:45.640 far as like even the samples Ninth would pick or 0:31:46.000 --> 0:31:51.240 Fonte getting into the Foreign Exchange bag kind of not 0:31:51.600 --> 0:31:54.080 of course introduced me to R and B. But as 0:31:54.080 --> 0:31:55.760 a young kid that was such a hip hop nerd. 0:31:55.800 --> 0:31:59.440 It made me pay attention to it and start to 0:31:59.480 --> 0:32:02.000 do the D dives I had done with the hip 0:32:02.000 --> 0:32:06.440 hop shit and Yeah, so Fante being on this R 0:32:06.480 --> 0:32:08.880 and B project is like such a full circle moment 0:32:08.880 --> 0:32:11.440 because so much of what he was putting out when 0:32:11.440 --> 0:32:14.680 I was twelve years old was on this album. Like 0:32:14.800 --> 0:32:17.120 what I started to appreciate within R and B came 0:32:17.320 --> 0:32:18.280 from that type of stuff. 0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:22.520 Do you like Minstrel Show or listening more Mitchell Show? 0:32:22.600 --> 0:32:23.920 I don't know if I'm allowed. I don't know either 0:32:23.960 --> 0:32:24.920 of us are allowed to say. 0:32:24.760 --> 0:32:26.320 That I like this. Oh, I mean yeah because the 0:32:26.440 --> 0:32:29.400 name of the Ambu, But I fucking love Mitchell Listening, 0:32:29.440 --> 0:32:33.240 of course is incredible and a classic. But as much 0:32:33.240 --> 0:32:37.400 as I am their underground rap nerd fan, I am very. 0:32:37.400 --> 0:32:43.640 Much just equally as big a fan of hip hop 0:32:43.640 --> 0:32:45.560 that people would say isn't real hip hop like popular 0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:47.640 hip hop? Right, I'm really into that type of stuff, 0:32:47.640 --> 0:32:49.600 And the Minstrel Show to me, was the perfect balance 0:32:49.840 --> 0:32:51.960 for Little Brother where they had to try some shit 0:32:52.040 --> 0:32:54.000 where their their core fan base may not like, but 0:32:54.080 --> 0:32:57.160 someone like me loves that shit, Like go to Atlantic, 0:32:57.280 --> 0:32:57.920 go try to get. 0:32:57.800 --> 0:33:00.920 A hit record because I like hit records. I'm not 0:33:01.000 --> 0:33:03.080 that nerdy fans like, don't sell out, like not sell 0:33:03.080 --> 0:33:03.600 out a little bit. 0:33:03.600 --> 0:33:06.120 It could work. A hit. HiT's a hit for a reason. 0:33:06.120 --> 0:33:08.160 It's you know, And I mean, of course they did, 0:33:08.160 --> 0:33:11.280 but they ran into politics with loving it. But yeah, 0:33:11.360 --> 0:33:15.520 to me, musically like minstrel show is perfect. The listening 0:33:15.600 --> 0:33:18.720 is very much in that college dorm, which and you. 0:33:18.720 --> 0:33:20.120 Kind of look like Joe Scutt a little, so you 0:33:20.120 --> 0:33:22.800 probably were like, yo, Joe Scutta, Yes, I could make 0:33:22.800 --> 0:33:23.120 it too. 0:33:24.240 --> 0:33:27.240 Who who was a friend and everything? Guy walks around 0:33:27.240 --> 0:33:27.560 with me. 0:33:27.520 --> 0:33:29.760 And we've got a restaurant in Atlanta, right he does, Yeah, 0:33:29.960 --> 0:33:30.920 shout to Joe Scuta. 0:33:31.080 --> 0:33:33.680 And every time I go to his restaurant in Atlanta, 0:33:33.800 --> 0:33:36.160 the staff always asked me if I'm related to m 0:33:36.200 --> 0:33:41.240 every single time. You're Joe's cousin. No, just a fan. 0:33:42.160 --> 0:33:45.000 That's big dad Fante on the project. You got drums 0:33:45.040 --> 0:33:49.000 on there, yes, Ari Lennox. Who else is on this? 0:33:49.360 --> 0:33:54.080 James Fonsbory is on the project. And I mean, can 0:33:54.120 --> 0:33:57.680 I brag? Of course? Maybe I'm only when that finds 0:33:57.680 --> 0:34:00.000 that fucking insane. I don't even know who that is. 0:34:00.160 --> 0:34:02.600 You don't know who James Sponsor is. He's probably one 0:34:02.600 --> 0:34:04.360 of the greatest writers of all time. Are you familiar 0:34:04.360 --> 0:34:07.400 with Cocaine Eighties. Yeah, of course, he's a singer of Cocinadies. 0:34:07.400 --> 0:34:10.000 Oh shit, see yeah, do you like the twenty twenty 0:34:10.040 --> 0:34:13.240 Experience by Justini Cocain Eighties was the shit that No Idea, 0:34:13.320 --> 0:34:14.000 No Idea produced. 0:34:14.239 --> 0:34:16.080 This was with No Idea last night. That's crazy. 0:34:16.360 --> 0:34:20.839 Let him know we won another Cocaine Eighties project. But yeah, 0:34:20.880 --> 0:34:23.400 he also wrote all of twenty twenty Experience for Justin Timberlake. 0:34:23.480 --> 0:34:26.799 He's from my favorite Justice Jilake album. Yeah, he's He's 0:34:27.120 --> 0:34:30.680 a legend to me, and Cocaine Eighties is by far 0:34:30.719 --> 0:34:32.479 one of my favorite groups, even though there is only 0:34:32.680 --> 0:34:33.840 four mixtapes. 0:34:34.040 --> 0:34:35.879 I remember, Yeah, those tapes were crazy and. 0:34:35.840 --> 0:34:38.839 I was even looking up old tweets when we put 0:34:38.880 --> 0:34:40.239 that record out, and it was kind of like a 0:34:40.320 --> 0:34:42.960 really cool full circle moment. It made me like feel 0:34:43.000 --> 0:34:45.239 a little stanish about the amount of times like I 0:34:45.360 --> 0:34:47.600 was tweeting James Sponsorroy in twenty ten. 0:34:48.000 --> 0:34:50.279 But yeah, it's crazy how long ago that is. 0:34:50.320 --> 0:34:50.480 Bro. 0:34:50.600 --> 0:34:53.120 If you think about like I was just talking to 0:34:53.160 --> 0:34:55.040 my boy because I was we're talking about high school, 0:34:55.040 --> 0:34:57.959 and I was like, bro, high school was twenty years ago, 0:34:58.480 --> 0:35:02.279 twenty like that, sh it's crazy. This shit feels like 0:35:02.320 --> 0:35:05.240 it was like six years ago. Like it's just terrifying 0:35:05.280 --> 0:35:08.920 to look at what I thought for sure. You know, 0:35:08.960 --> 0:35:10.680 I've had to delete so much shit on my Twitter 0:35:10.920 --> 0:35:12.920 and not even on like the cancelation that's not what 0:35:12.920 --> 0:35:15.200 I'm talking about, and no home was. I had to 0:35:15.200 --> 0:35:16.880 take off my Twitter timeline. 0:35:16.960 --> 0:35:20.800 That's one thing. Yeah, that's just a whole separate issue, 0:35:20.840 --> 0:35:23.280 just looking at like just dumb shit, like you really 0:35:23.280 --> 0:35:25.520 like you really thought you were smart at that age. 0:35:25.600 --> 0:35:28.480 For sure. I was really talking very confidently on Twitter 0:35:28.560 --> 0:35:30.200 at twenty one years old, like I really o the 0:35:30.200 --> 0:35:32.080 world figured out for sure, and I was like judging 0:35:32.160 --> 0:35:32.720 other people. 0:35:32.920 --> 0:35:34.719 And the fashion ship was crazy, even like when you 0:35:34.760 --> 0:35:36.719 guys did that blog air thing and the old boy 0:35:36.840 --> 0:35:39.520 dressed he had the good Wood fucking yeah, I was like, 0:35:39.640 --> 0:35:42.880 damn that was that was a wave, the Goodwood and 0:35:42.920 --> 0:35:46.759 the fucking loud ass ten deep and had I had 0:35:46.760 --> 0:35:48.520 a ten deep a long sleeve shirt on. Oh and 0:35:48.560 --> 0:35:52.600 that man all that shit Snapa Castle was a diamond supply. 0:35:52.760 --> 0:35:57.120 This yeah, the snapback ship it was fucking crazy. 0:35:56.840 --> 0:35:57.600 Karma Loop era. 0:35:58.000 --> 0:35:59.839 Karma Loop. I remember you go on that Karma Loop 0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:02.280 to see what I would just get whatever it's on sale. Yeah, 0:36:02.400 --> 0:36:04.880 they have like all little independent brands and shit. I 0:36:04.920 --> 0:36:07.919 got so many random just hip hop tea's like rock 0:36:07.960 --> 0:36:09.960 Smith and all that shit like that. 0:36:10.280 --> 0:36:12.000 That was a fun era too. And I know where 0:36:12.000 --> 0:36:14.120 we've been staying on the blog, Ara, but I don't mind. 0:36:14.600 --> 0:36:16.759 When I was with Aristotle and by any means, we 0:36:16.800 --> 0:36:19.600 had an office before we went in with Kevin Kwl. 0:36:19.640 --> 0:36:22.160 We were in the Karmel Loop office for a year 0:36:22.200 --> 0:36:24.640 and a half. Maybe I'm talking about like when the 0:36:24.719 --> 0:36:27.960 Fat Jew was walking around way like when he was 0:36:28.000 --> 0:36:31.239 a rapper and like his kid like Joey Badass and 0:36:31.280 --> 0:36:33.480 his friends who were like in high school, would just 0:36:33.600 --> 0:36:35.960 run a fucking muck like was Karmel Loop. 0:36:36.560 --> 0:36:37.560 Was that a Boston thing? 0:36:38.040 --> 0:36:39.920 It started out that way and then they went on 0:36:39.960 --> 0:36:41.560 twenty seventh Street in the city when they got like 0:36:41.560 --> 0:36:43.279 a lot of investors, and that's when we were in there. 0:36:44.400 --> 0:36:49.240 And like, just thinking back, the office era is gone. 0:36:49.400 --> 0:36:50.920 And I don't know if this is bad content, but 0:36:52.040 --> 0:36:53.879 that Karma Loop office was a place for like all 0:36:53.920 --> 0:36:56.799 creative kids, the ASAP kids were in there, The New 0:36:56.800 --> 0:36:59.160 era kids were in there, running into people like Fat 0:36:59.200 --> 0:37:01.120 Jew and Clyk. Clearly we see where he is now. 0:37:01.840 --> 0:37:03.960 Pharrell would be in there, like just it was just 0:37:04.200 --> 0:37:07.000 a spot to hang out, and even pre COVID, I 0:37:07.040 --> 0:37:09.480 just don't think that happens, or maybe I just got 0:37:09.480 --> 0:37:11.920 old and there is like even a Life was a 0:37:11.960 --> 0:37:13.720 store in New York, but that was a place kids 0:37:13.800 --> 0:37:18.480 hung out. Like there's no stores. Everything's gotten so fucking corporate. 0:37:19.400 --> 0:37:21.960 There's just not a lot of kicking it anymore. Like 0:37:22.000 --> 0:37:23.560 I was at an event. I was at Killer Mike's 0:37:23.600 --> 0:37:25.200 album released party last night, and I was like, this 0:37:25.239 --> 0:37:27.279 is one of the first times I've because I don't 0:37:27.320 --> 0:37:29.600 be doing shit brouh Like if it ain't like Killer 0:37:29.640 --> 0:37:31.320 Mike or something like I really fuck with or I 0:37:31.320 --> 0:37:32.759 ain't getting paid, I'm just not there. 0:37:32.920 --> 0:37:35.200 Like the last I saw and say what you will 0:37:35.239 --> 0:37:37.480 about Adam twenty two, I'm not here to have any 0:37:37.520 --> 0:37:40.359 of that conversation. But when I went to his like 0:37:40.800 --> 0:37:42.799 compound that he has now, when Maul and I did 0:37:42.800 --> 0:37:44.480 the show with him and ad I was like, that 0:37:44.680 --> 0:37:47.080 was the last time people were just hanging out yeah. 0:37:47.160 --> 0:37:49.640 I was like, damns, I missed when people did this. 0:37:49.680 --> 0:37:51.480 You've been in the new spot, yeah anyway, and it 0:37:51.600 --> 0:37:54.480 was just mad young kids hanging out, older people hanging out, 0:37:54.560 --> 0:37:55.359 creatives hanging out. 0:37:55.440 --> 0:37:58.520 Like that's those spaces don't exist anymore. I was happy 0:37:58.520 --> 0:37:59.880 to see that when I went to No Jumper. 0:37:59.680 --> 0:38:02.239 Year to do the fig Community World Today, right, yeah, 0:38:02.480 --> 0:38:05.920 with the well eight spot. Yeah, that's that's the name 0:38:05.920 --> 0:38:07.239 of the show Community World I. 0:38:07.160 --> 0:38:08.520 Think, right, yeah, but it won't be at the No 0:38:08.640 --> 0:38:12.440 Jumper No of course. I was like, now you've ben 0:38:12.520 --> 0:38:15.120 keV No. It's like, I don't know if you missed it. 0:38:15.360 --> 0:38:16.600 There was a there was a big thing. 0:38:17.080 --> 0:38:17.920 It was a huge thing. 0:38:18.120 --> 0:38:20.120 Yeah, which I mean I feel like I started that trend, 0:38:20.120 --> 0:38:20.560 but you know. 0:38:21.440 --> 0:38:22.360 Just breaking away. 0:38:22.480 --> 0:38:23.840 Oh, these breakups are my sons. 0:38:24.080 --> 0:38:26.000 I mean, listen. That's why when I interview I had 0:38:26.040 --> 0:38:28.160 a D on the show him and t Rail right after, 0:38:29.280 --> 0:38:32.719 and I was like, hey, man, I've known a D 0:38:32.760 --> 0:38:33.960 for a very long time. 0:38:34.080 --> 0:38:34.400 Yeah. 0:38:34.480 --> 0:38:37.520 I was like, you got really thick skin. I was like, 0:38:37.960 --> 0:38:40.040 you mean to tell me you were planning this all along? 0:38:40.400 --> 0:38:43.120 You You took so much offense to someone saying you 0:38:43.160 --> 0:38:46.319 had the same three jokes that you said, fuck you, 0:38:46.360 --> 0:38:46.799 I'm out. 0:38:47.360 --> 0:38:49.680 I love. I don't know if you watched our episode 0:38:49.840 --> 0:38:54.360 of the No Jumper AD break up clip, but I 0:38:54.360 --> 0:38:58.279 said something very similar. I'm like, all right, I'm not 0:38:58.320 --> 0:39:01.799 saying AD is not allowed to feel offended, but some 0:39:02.000 --> 0:39:02.799 just isn't adding up. 0:39:03.040 --> 0:39:05.279 You want to leave, bro, Yeah, something like you got 0:39:05.320 --> 0:39:05.800 your out? 0:39:07.120 --> 0:39:09.400 Yeah. And I even went as far as to say, like, 0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:12.080 all right, if that's all that was said in my 0:39:12.160 --> 0:39:15.279 last pot we'd still be potting for sure. I was 0:39:15.320 --> 0:39:17.040 told not to show up to your son's birth way 0:39:17.040 --> 0:39:19.560 different than hey, you make the same joke for like, bro, 0:39:19.800 --> 0:39:21.399 what like you have thick skin? 0:39:21.600 --> 0:39:23.840 Yeah, I've said worst thing. I've making fun of eighties 0:39:23.920 --> 0:39:26.200 Veneers for five years since he got them, like on 0:39:26.239 --> 0:39:30.000 the radio in La, Like yeah, I mean there's definitely 0:39:30.040 --> 0:39:32.000 a compilation clip we can make of me talking about 0:39:32.000 --> 0:39:34.919 eighties teeth. Whel was talking about him with Hannibal Burst 0:39:34.920 --> 0:39:36.680 because Hannibal Burst, but I was on called Veneers and 0:39:36.680 --> 0:39:38.080 I was like, have you seen AD's teeth? 0:39:38.160 --> 0:39:41.439 What is I'm scared to click Hannibal rapping. I'm very 0:39:41.440 --> 0:39:44.680 scared to click it. I'm a huge Hannibal Burst comedy fan. 0:39:44.880 --> 0:39:47.360 So even when he would do his rap shit on stage, 0:39:47.680 --> 0:39:49.960 when he would do his t pain shit on stage hilarious, 0:39:50.080 --> 0:39:52.840 he did the mumble rap thing. I'm terrified and this 0:39:52.880 --> 0:39:54.799 is crazy coming from me because I'm a podcaster that 0:39:55.080 --> 0:39:57.600 he is talking about putting an album out on Friday. 0:39:57.880 --> 0:40:00.480 So so I'm not taking away from his town. Yeah, 0:40:01.000 --> 0:40:02.480 I'm just scared to click it. 0:40:02.880 --> 0:40:06.120 So he put a song out called Veneers that is 0:40:06.160 --> 0:40:10.120 like a more of a comedic angle. Okay, easing into it, 0:40:10.120 --> 0:40:13.040 I get it. He played me some stuff that was 0:40:13.080 --> 0:40:16.400 really good. I mean I was like, yo, you're he 0:40:16.800 --> 0:40:18.800 I guess he's been rapping before he was doing comedy. 0:40:19.120 --> 0:40:21.440 Yeah, and I know he's always been a real real 0:40:21.560 --> 0:40:23.239 hip hop fan. Like for the stuff he played me 0:40:23.360 --> 0:40:23.799 was really good. 0:40:23.840 --> 0:40:25.799 He has another song that's coming out called like I 0:40:26.120 --> 0:40:29.680 Like Lift Weights. It's like a joke song. I mean, 0:40:30.480 --> 0:40:32.680 it's cool, it's it's you know, we'll see. 0:40:32.719 --> 0:40:33.080 I don't know. 0:40:33.280 --> 0:40:36.000 He's gonna obviously run into issues of people taking him serious, 0:40:36.080 --> 0:40:36.799 you know, but he. 0:40:36.840 --> 0:40:40.320 Has to do like a Leakers freestyle or like a Sway. Yes, 0:40:40.400 --> 0:40:43.200 like he just to he has to I understand easing 0:40:43.200 --> 0:40:45.920 people in the five Fingers of Death or something exactly. 0:40:46.000 --> 0:40:48.400 And like Shia lah Boof would have dropped an album 0:40:48.400 --> 0:40:51.280 after he did sway, people would have been like, oh shit, let. 0:40:51.120 --> 0:40:53.000 Me go check this Shia lah Boof album. 0:40:53.200 --> 0:40:54.279 He kind of went crazy. 0:40:54.640 --> 0:40:57.640 He went crazy on that ship. What happened after? 0:40:57.840 --> 0:41:01.720 Like he was working wealth another Charles Hamilton's situation. Man 0:41:01.960 --> 0:41:04.560 super talented people that unfortunately get in their own way 0:41:04.600 --> 0:41:07.919 of things they probably can't control. But he but even 0:41:07.960 --> 0:41:10.200 like Hannibal, I love that he's doing that. I hope 0:41:10.239 --> 0:41:13.480 he doesn't go full like little Dicky with it, where 0:41:13.520 --> 0:41:15.640 like every song is gonna be kind of a joke. 0:41:15.719 --> 0:41:17.640 No, he played me some serious songs that were dope, 0:41:17.719 --> 0:41:18.720 like he was really rappid. 0:41:18.800 --> 0:41:20.800 But he should be able to do that. And I 0:41:20.840 --> 0:41:23.480 mean kind of the same thing with my project, Like, yeah, 0:41:23.520 --> 0:41:25.880 we are creative in one area, we can also be 0:41:25.920 --> 0:41:27.560 creative in other places. 0:41:27.200 --> 0:41:28.600 Like people are gonna always want to put you in 0:41:28.640 --> 0:41:29.240 a little box. 0:41:29.320 --> 0:41:34.719 Yeah, and especially Hannibal is certified comedian, Like it's solidified. 0:41:34.719 --> 0:41:37.640 Oh fucking I'm sure he's doing fine financially as well, 0:41:37.760 --> 0:41:41.600 So why not go do some shit that you like, 0:41:41.600 --> 0:41:43.560 like move on to the next thing. Still do comedy. 0:41:43.560 --> 0:41:45.080 But that's what I mean. It's pretty much what he's saying. 0:41:45.080 --> 0:41:46.080 He was like, now if I get booked for a 0:41:46.120 --> 0:41:47.920 comedy show, like they know, they have to know, Like 0:41:47.920 --> 0:41:50.719 I'm gonna also do some of my music. Yeah, you know, 0:41:50.800 --> 0:41:53.040 like I'm gonna do the stand up thing, but I'm 0:41:53.040 --> 0:41:53.799 gonna do some music. 0:41:54.040 --> 0:41:56.759 And what I mean even podcasting, Like most of the 0:41:56.800 --> 0:42:00.480 podcasters that are doing shit, we're doing stuff before we 0:42:00.520 --> 0:42:04.160 didn't go to school for radio broadcasting. Like we're all 0:42:04.200 --> 0:42:06.399 doing other shit and we're like, oh well, we have 0:42:06.600 --> 0:42:09.279 good opinions, we know how to express ourselves. Let's do this. 0:42:09.280 --> 0:42:11.319 This seems like a long form version of that for. 0:42:11.320 --> 0:42:15.440 You guys, Like, uh, obviously you guys had never planned 0:42:15.480 --> 0:42:17.200 to break away and do your own thing. It's gone 0:42:17.280 --> 0:42:19.160 really really well despite not making. 0:42:18.960 --> 0:42:23.560 Lists it think about hanging it up, but it's. 0:42:23.440 --> 0:42:25.759 Gone really really well. 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Is that a podcast? 0:45:48.920 --> 0:45:53.920 So they're a big podcast platform that Sirius ended up purchasing. Yes, 0:45:54.040 --> 0:45:56.840 so we're Stitcher. We have a deal with Stitcher, but 0:45:57.040 --> 0:46:00.760 serious own Stitcher. So what does Stitcher get? So Stitcher 0:46:01.000 --> 0:46:03.920 gets our content and they're able to license our just 0:46:03.960 --> 0:46:08.080 our audio content, not our video, to advertisers that they 0:46:08.120 --> 0:46:09.640 have within their network. 0:46:09.760 --> 0:46:13.320 So you guys are able to monetize the audio aspect 0:46:13.400 --> 0:46:15.319 of the podcast, which is a big deal because for 0:46:15.360 --> 0:46:17.400 you guys, you're like, well share our brand and butters YouTube. 0:46:17.560 --> 0:46:18.920 Yeah for sure, So we're gonna get. 0:46:18.760 --> 0:46:20.719 This bag up here on the audio side, what are 0:46:20.719 --> 0:46:21.360 we doing. 0:46:21.320 --> 0:46:25.279 And we already know that the audio aspect unless you're 0:46:25.320 --> 0:46:27.120 doing things like It's the Real with the blog era 0:46:27.760 --> 0:46:31.600 or Cereal, like even like what Kenya Barris is doing 0:46:31.640 --> 0:46:35.640 with like those you know voiceovers and listen to Bill 0:46:35.680 --> 0:46:39.240 Simmons a lot, so much of where our genre is already, 0:46:39.280 --> 0:46:42.120 Like I'm not saying anything that I'm not saying some 0:46:42.200 --> 0:46:44.600 groundbreaking shit right now, everything's moving into visuals, So us 0:46:44.600 --> 0:46:49.880 holding onto our visuals was very much important. But like 0:46:49.920 --> 0:46:52.840 I was saying before of how I'd paused the album, 0:46:52.920 --> 0:46:56.760 to get this ship up and running, it requires some capital. 0:46:56.880 --> 0:46:59.000 And if we can give up our audio just on 0:46:59.040 --> 0:47:01.600 the licensing side, so we can get this ship moving 0:47:01.600 --> 0:47:03.319 and hire the right people and get the studios and 0:47:03.360 --> 0:47:06.520 get equipment. Like that's especially with the window we had, 0:47:07.080 --> 0:47:07.560 Like if you. 0:47:07.480 --> 0:47:10.080 Guys had a window where it was like everyone's looking 0:47:10.120 --> 0:47:11.880 at Rory and mall, what are they gonna do next? 0:47:12.000 --> 0:47:12.280 Yeah? 0:47:12.320 --> 0:47:13.000 So's it's so. 0:47:13.200 --> 0:47:15.320 I mean, it's funny to hear, you know, with the Internet, 0:47:15.320 --> 0:47:18.680 with the checkchasing thing, which is, you know, people sound 0:47:18.719 --> 0:47:20.560 smart to people that are dumb, so I don't even 0:47:20.600 --> 0:47:23.600 really care to try to correct them in that regard, 0:47:23.960 --> 0:47:27.160 but to checkchase in our situation is insane. Yes, we 0:47:27.239 --> 0:47:31.719 did take a check for an audio licensing deal to 0:47:31.960 --> 0:47:34.719 get some capital up and running. Like, so we have 0:47:34.800 --> 0:47:40.440 our visual I'm not sure where we'll be when this 0:47:40.520 --> 0:47:42.440 deal is done. But I have nothing bad to say 0:47:42.440 --> 0:47:44.719 about Serious or Stitcher. I loved everything that we did 0:47:44.800 --> 0:47:45.080 with them. 0:47:45.200 --> 0:47:47.360 So they don't touch any of the YouTube revenue. 0:47:47.440 --> 0:47:50.040 No, oh wow, so you're you're double none at all. 0:47:50.120 --> 0:47:53.000 So yeah, it was. It was a great situation for 0:47:53.120 --> 0:47:55.880 the time that we were in. But to your original question, 0:47:56.120 --> 0:47:59.480 that also allowed us to see the landscape now that 0:47:59.520 --> 0:48:02.600 we could kind of relaxed for a second while getting 0:48:02.719 --> 0:48:06.000 our staff together, while getting our space together. Like you know, 0:48:06.400 --> 0:48:08.600 I know we were on that pod for five six 0:48:08.680 --> 0:48:14.000 years prior. That does get erased when you don't leave 0:48:14.040 --> 0:48:16.080 with anything from it. 0:48:16.600 --> 0:48:18.399 Yeah, you don't take you're not taking anything. 0:48:18.600 --> 0:48:19.960 I don't take a camera. I don't take the camera. 0:48:20.000 --> 0:48:22.160 I don't take none of like and on top of that, 0:48:22.239 --> 0:48:26.160 with podcasting, people don't talk about the synergy amongst the 0:48:26.239 --> 0:48:29.480 camera guys, the editors, right the day to day people, 0:48:29.520 --> 0:48:32.560 the managers. Like that's a big thing in itself too. Yes, 0:48:32.680 --> 0:48:34.200 Maul and I have chemistry because we were on a 0:48:34.239 --> 0:48:35.800 pod for so long. You can put a mic in 0:48:35.840 --> 0:48:37.960 front of us and I'm confident we can get great content. 0:48:38.400 --> 0:48:40.440 But to take it to the next level, that requires 0:48:40.960 --> 0:48:44.720 building a team. That's that's why podcasting is so valuable 0:48:44.719 --> 0:48:46.800 because there's so much chemistry. That's what people are attracted 0:48:46.840 --> 0:48:48.359 to that happens behind the camera. 0:48:48.520 --> 0:48:48.759 For sure. 0:48:48.800 --> 0:48:51.359 That chemistry is not just on the microphone, so that 0:48:51.400 --> 0:48:53.680 took some time as well, and that takes capital too. 0:48:53.760 --> 0:48:56.719 Like the type of people that I want to work 0:48:56.760 --> 0:48:59.719 with aren't going to work off a dollar and a dream, 0:48:59.719 --> 0:49:01.319 and they wouldn't wouldn't want to do that to them. 0:49:01.360 --> 0:49:04.799 So yeah, I thought our our serious deal was the 0:49:04.920 --> 0:49:07.320 perfect thing to take. And it wasn't the most amount 0:49:07.320 --> 0:49:10.799 of money. Like we have higher offers for licensing deals 0:49:10.840 --> 0:49:13.680 that I did not think worked best for the situation 0:49:14.120 --> 0:49:16.480 that we were in. The wanted to own more, they 0:49:16.480 --> 0:49:18.759 wanted more. In some cases there was companies that wanted 0:49:18.760 --> 0:49:21.960 to own some, but in other cases there was people 0:49:21.960 --> 0:49:25.560 I just felt wouldn't license our content in the best way. 0:49:25.600 --> 0:49:27.719 And I'm not going down to the. 0:49:27.440 --> 0:49:30.120 Ads for say like blue Cheo and ship, but just 0:49:30.160 --> 0:49:32.680 how they would deal with Wait a second, Oh no, 0:49:32.719 --> 0:49:35.720 we're big shout out to blue Shoe, Bluetoo dot com, 0:49:35.800 --> 0:49:36.359 keyword boole. 0:49:36.480 --> 0:49:37.960 Oh no, our podcast is the Blue Live crew, you 0:49:38.000 --> 0:49:38.160 know not? 0:49:38.280 --> 0:49:39.359 Oh I love the Blue schooe man. 0:49:39.440 --> 0:49:41.160 Yeah no, we just wan we pop the even when 0:49:41.160 --> 0:49:44.600 we don't have you know, just where a dick just 0:49:45.000 --> 0:49:46.960 wake up in the morning with that Blue Shoo dick man. 0:49:48.840 --> 0:49:52.319 But even with the higher money. I just some of 0:49:52.360 --> 0:49:54.279 those companies I didn't feel like I wanted to be 0:49:54.360 --> 0:49:57.080 in business with. They need to do more serious made 0:49:57.120 --> 0:49:59.000 the most sense with the amount of freedom we would get, 0:49:59.160 --> 0:50:02.279 capital we would get, the time the deal was, and 0:50:02.280 --> 0:50:04.000 what we had to turn over in the small window 0:50:04.000 --> 0:50:06.759 we had. So, you know, I love the narratives that 0:50:06.760 --> 0:50:08.480 have been put out there. I laugh at them too. 0:50:08.640 --> 0:50:10.520 I'm a big I'm on Reddit all the time as well, 0:50:10.680 --> 0:50:15.680 Like I see everything and content of course not that's 0:50:15.719 --> 0:50:20.120 not my algorithm, my lack of my lack of responding 0:50:20.360 --> 0:50:24.080 does not make something true. And I know me saying 0:50:24.120 --> 0:50:26.759 that does not matter to the internet, but I don't care. 0:50:27.040 --> 0:50:30.200 Is there Like so the only Reddit thing I jumped 0:50:30.200 --> 0:50:31.680 into was the no jumper reddit. 0:50:31.960 --> 0:50:34.680 Oh that's that's that's nicey, It's a nasty place. 0:50:34.760 --> 0:50:38.240 Well because I so, I was hit up by Adam 0:50:38.480 --> 0:50:42.399 to do the first show without a D and T rail. 0:50:43.480 --> 0:50:46.600 This was the day that he fired Lush on camera. 0:50:47.239 --> 0:50:49.120 He hits me up and he's like, hey man, you 0:50:49.120 --> 0:50:51.200 down to do the show tomorrow And I was like, 0:50:51.680 --> 0:50:54.120 I've been on the show before, So I was like, yeah, okay, whatever, 0:50:54.360 --> 0:50:57.000 no idea. You know, then I see oh, this will 0:50:57.160 --> 0:50:59.759 fire Lush on camera today. So I call a d 0:51:00.040 --> 0:51:03.640 I'm like, hey, man, uh, what's going on over there? 0:51:03.800 --> 0:51:06.080 He's like, bro about to fuck quit? And I was 0:51:06.120 --> 0:51:07.960 like what the fuck? I was like, what am I 0:51:07.960 --> 0:51:10.080 walking into. He's like, dude, just do it, just do it, 0:51:10.120 --> 0:51:11.920 you know. I was like, all right, So I do it. 0:51:11.960 --> 0:51:15.800 And everyone's assuming like I'm the replacement. Yeah, and I'm like, dude, 0:51:16.000 --> 0:51:18.560 I'm not the replacement. But they were eating me alive 0:51:18.600 --> 0:51:19.160 on Reddit. 0:51:19.880 --> 0:51:21.799 It was hilarious. Of course. I mean, of course they're 0:51:21.800 --> 0:51:24.160 going to do that. I'm shocked they didn't. Paul's eat 0:51:24.200 --> 0:51:26.800 Adam more on that because in the Lush and a 0:51:26.920 --> 0:51:29.320 d thing, there was also the white supremacist thing was 0:51:29.360 --> 0:51:29.759 going on. 0:51:30.320 --> 0:51:32.960 There was like the joke about the slave owners. 0:51:33.040 --> 0:51:35.560 Yeah, there was a lot of shit. So like throwing 0:51:35.600 --> 0:51:38.040 me or you as like the replacement probably wasn't the 0:51:38.040 --> 0:51:40.959 best move. And I feel and I feel for Adam, 0:51:41.040 --> 0:51:43.920 not on that side, but I think I feel for 0:51:44.000 --> 0:51:47.480 him as far as like shit, just one day, a 0:51:47.520 --> 0:51:49.920 whole operation is moving and then you lose that then 0:51:50.200 --> 0:51:52.879 and then I have empathy for Adam and me too, 0:51:53.040 --> 0:51:53.359 me too. 0:51:53.440 --> 0:51:57.680 Sure, I told him, I said, dude, you're fucking mentally strong, brother, 0:51:57.760 --> 0:52:00.919 because during that time there was every was like fuck 0:52:01.000 --> 0:52:03.560 no Jumper, And then that dude rolled up there on 0:52:03.600 --> 0:52:05.719 the live stream with that old ass ship that he 0:52:05.760 --> 0:52:07.920 had already put the bed and rehashed that, and it 0:52:07.960 --> 0:52:08.279 was just. 0:52:08.280 --> 0:52:12.440 Like, but that's that's a tough shit outside of everything 0:52:12.440 --> 0:52:15.120 that stuff with the internet. To some degree, when people 0:52:15.160 --> 0:52:18.080 have been waiting for your downfall, they're waiting, they will 0:52:18.080 --> 0:52:22.560 make small things into the largest thing ever, and even 0:52:22.600 --> 0:52:25.480 when things passed, the next time, a small thing will happen. 0:52:25.560 --> 0:52:27.200 That's why I did everything, Like I'm. 0:52:27.040 --> 0:52:30.080 Not understand like Joe grilling him so bad because I 0:52:30.160 --> 0:52:34.160 was like, dude, really did I thought it was appropriate? 0:52:34.560 --> 0:52:35.040 I just did. 0:52:35.080 --> 0:52:38.719 I just was like, I just feel like if people 0:52:38.760 --> 0:52:41.759 wanted to like rehash old shit, like like you know, 0:52:41.840 --> 0:52:43.520 like if somebody wanted to be a dick, there's a 0:52:43.520 --> 0:52:45.879 lot of old Joe buddonshit that is like hearsay or whatever, 0:52:45.960 --> 0:52:47.799 sure that people could just stir up if they ever 0:52:47.800 --> 0:52:48.600 wanted to, you know what I mean. 0:52:48.760 --> 0:52:53.040 I didn't. It was on whatever the radio. Yeah, No, 0:52:53.120 --> 0:52:55.320 I did listen to it. I was I thought, Uh, 0:52:55.400 --> 0:52:58.040 I didn't think Joe was harsh on him. I thought 0:52:58.080 --> 0:52:59.480 it was appropriate if you were going to have Adam 0:52:59.520 --> 0:53:02.319 on your show at that time address you and Joe 0:53:02.320 --> 0:53:05.120 would look even crazier. If you're trying to get the 0:53:05.160 --> 0:53:08.160 guy that all the attention is on right now for clicks, 0:53:08.200 --> 0:53:11.359 and then you don't, and then you don't, you look 0:53:11.480 --> 0:53:13.879 fucking nuts. So I didn't think they're But also why 0:53:14.000 --> 0:53:16.719 I and I'm a hypocrite a lot. I try not 0:53:16.800 --> 0:53:20.319 to grill people on a lot of stuff because to 0:53:20.360 --> 0:53:23.760 your point, like not to degree of like racism or something, 0:53:23.800 --> 0:53:25.879 but we all have our shit so and we're all 0:53:25.880 --> 0:53:29.040 gonna have our moments, especially in this world. I'm not 0:53:29.200 --> 0:53:31.799 one of those people in the media that protects each 0:53:31.800 --> 0:53:35.040 other like I'm in the middle. There there's some people 0:53:35.080 --> 0:53:37.359 that are like, we're all media, we can't post bad 0:53:37.400 --> 0:53:39.480 things about us because like we don't want to get 0:53:39.480 --> 0:53:41.680 to war. I think that's corny as fuck for sure, 0:53:41.800 --> 0:53:45.800 But also going super in on someone for small mistakes 0:53:45.800 --> 0:53:49.520 if some things are inexcusable. For sure, I'm not big 0:53:49.560 --> 0:53:52.600 on just doing that, and maybe that's probably not good 0:53:52.640 --> 0:53:54.600 in the content game for me to feel that way. 0:53:54.680 --> 0:53:59.160 I should do that for content purposes, but I just 0:53:59.200 --> 0:54:03.200 I have my own shit. Like, yeah, I'm just not 0:54:03.239 --> 0:54:05.560 gonna fucking scream at someone when they make a mistake. 0:54:05.920 --> 0:54:07.359 I've done it before, I don't get me wrong, But 0:54:07.520 --> 0:54:09.600 at this point in my life, you feel like you've 0:54:09.600 --> 0:54:12.080 grown No, just in perspective. 0:54:12.239 --> 0:54:16.080 Perspective is important. I just saw you. I didn't know 0:54:16.080 --> 0:54:17.839 you had a daughter until I saw the video you 0:54:17.880 --> 0:54:18.240 just posted. 0:54:18.360 --> 0:54:20.040 Yes, I mean I didn't even send you the album 0:54:20.080 --> 0:54:22.759 by accident, so I didn't send the ultra sound No. 0:54:22.960 --> 0:54:27.560 So how old is your daughter? A little over three months? 0:54:27.560 --> 0:54:31.400 Well, congratulation, thank you. Has that changed your life drastically? 0:54:31.600 --> 0:54:33.440 I mean obviously besides like waking up? But has it 0:54:33.480 --> 0:54:35.480 like some people? I mean, listen, I have a son 0:54:35.520 --> 0:54:38.160 that's eighteen. I had him when I was well, he's 0:54:38.200 --> 0:54:40.800 about to be eighteen. I had him when I was eighteen, 0:54:41.239 --> 0:54:43.160 So I had him when I was eighteen. But that, 0:54:43.320 --> 0:54:46.319 you know, it was so long ago. I couldn't like 0:54:46.360 --> 0:54:48.520 I just was like trying not to be poor and 0:54:48.719 --> 0:54:51.440 be homeless, you know, understandable, So like I don't know 0:54:51.600 --> 0:54:54.320 like that like that, what does that do for you? Like? Mentally, 0:54:55.680 --> 0:54:58.279 it's weird. I used to look at like parents when 0:54:58.280 --> 0:55:04.160 they would say, like memb like corny basic ship about kids. 0:55:04.160 --> 0:55:06.040 I'm like, all right, I'm sure it's that way at ye, 0:55:07.239 --> 0:55:10.600 but I it makes me stop. It like reminds me 0:55:10.680 --> 0:55:13.719 of joy, just like there's looking at her makes me 0:55:13.760 --> 0:55:16.880 stop where I never would have stopped. Like that's the 0:55:16.920 --> 0:55:18.680 surface level of how it's changed my life. 0:55:18.760 --> 0:55:22.000 It's like little moments. I lacked little moments in my 0:55:22.040 --> 0:55:27.440 life until her. Of course, She's the biggest moment that 0:55:27.440 --> 0:55:30.440 created little moments in my life that I never had before, 0:55:30.640 --> 0:55:35.040 and like makes me re observe everything. Like I sound 0:55:35.040 --> 0:55:36.879 like the corny parent now that I'm sound like. I'm 0:55:36.920 --> 0:55:39.279 walking her a stroller, looking at her, and she's looking 0:55:39.360 --> 0:55:42.960 up at trees and I'm like, fucking trees, remember those? 0:55:43.880 --> 0:55:46.560 And she is just amazed by ship. So I don't 0:55:46.560 --> 0:55:48.799 know if it's selfish to say this, but it also 0:55:48.840 --> 0:55:52.080 has allowed me to like be reintroduced to so much 0:55:52.200 --> 0:55:55.960 things within these three months of watching her observe other 0:55:56.400 --> 0:56:00.640 ship that I've had around me forever. It makes me 0:56:00.719 --> 0:56:05.200 even appreciate shit a bit more. Like just her curiosity 0:56:05.239 --> 0:56:07.960 of everything makes me feel weird. 0:56:08.640 --> 0:56:10.880 Do you feel like because I always say to myself, 0:56:10.920 --> 0:56:13.040 I'm like, Okay, I go to New York City. Like 0:56:13.360 --> 0:56:16.120 when I go to New York, I'm always like I 0:56:16.239 --> 0:56:18.520 like it, and I can never fucking live here. This 0:56:18.640 --> 0:56:19.520 is fucking insane. 0:56:19.760 --> 0:56:21.960 Like I say the same thing about other really. 0:56:22.080 --> 0:56:24.239 Yeah, so I go to New York and I'm like, 0:56:24.239 --> 0:56:25.560 everyone's running on each other. 0:56:25.680 --> 0:56:26.000 Everyone. 0:56:26.080 --> 0:56:28.279 I mean, I appreciate everyone's on a fucking grind. They're 0:56:28.320 --> 0:56:30.800 going to work, they're fucking just you know, mission to 0:56:30.800 --> 0:56:34.200 wherever they gotta go. But I'm always like I could never, Like, 0:56:34.440 --> 0:56:37.240 I'm sure raising a kid in New York, you're raising 0:56:37.239 --> 0:56:39.120 a strong fucking kid no matter what, because they got 0:56:39.120 --> 0:56:40.680 to deal with shit that nobody else in the US 0:56:40.719 --> 0:56:42.279 really has to deal with in terms of just going 0:56:42.320 --> 0:56:44.239 to school. Yeah, for sure, going to the grocery store 0:56:44.320 --> 0:56:44.640 or whatever. 0:56:45.200 --> 0:56:46.440 Would you pull the transportation? 0:56:47.840 --> 0:56:48.680 Having it makes you a. 0:56:50.239 --> 0:56:53.680 Man having a woman daughter, are you like we might 0:56:53.719 --> 0:56:55.879 need to get like out the city a little bit. 0:56:56.160 --> 0:56:58.880 I mean, it's such a different New York than the 0:56:58.880 --> 0:57:01.760 one I know, Like she would be raising a way 0:57:01.920 --> 0:57:05.520 way different New York. But yes, it has crossed my 0:57:05.640 --> 0:57:09.319 mind and my entire life. 0:57:09.360 --> 0:57:12.160 I was never gonna leave New York, New Jersey, Jersey 0:57:12.239 --> 0:57:13.680 was as far as you know, I just bought a 0:57:13.680 --> 0:57:14.239 crib in Jersey. 0:57:14.320 --> 0:57:16.600 That's as far as I was going to venture off. 0:57:18.440 --> 0:57:20.320 It's changed within these three months. 0:57:21.160 --> 0:57:22.720 Maybe Atlanta's not so bad. 0:57:22.840 --> 0:57:25.040 And it was it was funny. Let me name drop. 0:57:25.080 --> 0:57:27.560 Pardon if I if I dropped the name. I was 0:57:27.600 --> 0:57:31.360 talking with Al Branch when we went down. We went 0:57:31.400 --> 0:57:34.120 down to Atlanta to shoot some stuff I think for 0:57:34.200 --> 0:57:37.480 BT and we used his studio, him and Tez the studio, 0:57:38.240 --> 0:57:39.680 and he was telling me, he was like, I've some 0:57:39.800 --> 0:57:42.360 queens my whole life, Like I never wanted to leave. 0:57:42.400 --> 0:57:44.480 I was never gonna leave, even when the music industry 0:57:44.520 --> 0:57:48.320 started to leave New York. I was holding strong. And 0:57:48.400 --> 0:57:52.280 he said, my daughters, Nah, I had I had to 0:57:52.320 --> 0:57:54.800 get out. Like the schools are better here. I love 0:57:54.840 --> 0:57:57.000 being able to just go pick them up, drive off 0:57:57.120 --> 0:57:59.800 like they're around fresh air all the time, like they 0:57:59.800 --> 0:58:04.080 can just explore Like it's just it's just a different perspective. 0:58:04.800 --> 0:58:07.439 And I fill them on that. I think it could 0:58:07.440 --> 0:58:09.880 happen La. No, because I think La is just the 0:58:09.920 --> 0:58:12.560 same as New York, just with palm trees. 0:58:12.760 --> 0:58:16.880 Well, there's the valley Valley. Well, I was always shitting 0:58:16.880 --> 0:58:21.360 on La, not La, the city La. The transplant La, 0:58:21.560 --> 0:58:24.840 not LAA. Oh yeah, Transplant La so obnoxious. 0:58:24.920 --> 0:58:27.400 But that's where if I were to move to l 0:58:27.440 --> 0:58:29.240 A at that time, I would have been around Transplant. 0:58:29.920 --> 0:58:31.360 Then I got to know a lot of people that 0:58:31.760 --> 0:58:34.440 grew up in LA grew up in the valley, and 0:58:34.800 --> 0:58:36.560 I saw a whole nother side of it where I 0:58:36.600 --> 0:58:38.720 was like, Okay, I understand why people think this is 0:58:38.720 --> 0:58:41.120 the greatest city in the world. Not a place that 0:58:41.160 --> 0:58:45.040 I would move or bring my kid. But I have 0:58:45.240 --> 0:58:47.680 eased up on l A. I've explored around and really 0:58:47.680 --> 0:58:49.560 got to know. I was in West Hollywood for like 0:58:49.600 --> 0:58:52.000 five years. I would just come land work, and if 0:58:52.040 --> 0:58:52.640 you're only in. 0:58:52.560 --> 0:58:55.560 West Hollywood, you're like, this is like there's billboards everywhere. 0:58:55.640 --> 0:58:58.160 There's my safe haven with Saddle Ranch, Like that's all 0:58:58.600 --> 0:59:00.600 that's why trashy for mean, look at me. 0:59:00.960 --> 0:59:04.160 Don't let it my parents. I'm like, my parents. 0:59:03.840 --> 0:59:06.120 Are coming to LA and they're like, we gotta go somewhere. 0:59:06.240 --> 0:59:09.720 I'm assuming, just assuming stereotype of my own parents. They'd 0:59:09.720 --> 0:59:11.600 be like that sound Ranch places, they got a bull 0:59:11.640 --> 0:59:13.840 in there, Let's check that out. 0:59:14.080 --> 0:59:14.280 You know. 0:59:15.000 --> 0:59:16.840 I was with Jelly Roll at Saddle Ranch like a 0:59:16.880 --> 0:59:20.040 year ago, like singing carry country karaoke. We brought the 0:59:20.040 --> 0:59:23.040 whole team there for our last LA show and Edon 0:59:23.160 --> 0:59:24.520 rolled the bulls, Maris rolled the bull. 0:59:24.560 --> 0:59:25.320 Everyone rolled the bull. 0:59:25.760 --> 0:59:29.240 Yeah, there's other areas, but then obviously downtown is a 0:59:29.240 --> 0:59:30.000 fucking wild place. 0:59:30.080 --> 0:59:34.440 Shit. Reason brought me around like Carson Area. Yeah. Recently 0:59:34.440 --> 0:59:37.640 stay outro on the album right yes, uh, that we 0:59:37.760 --> 0:59:41.480 produced with Bank and one of my favorite producers, Bieriod 0:59:41.600 --> 0:59:46.040 Legend Coleman, who did the intro on Cole's eighty five South. 0:59:47.480 --> 0:59:51.120 I think that's the right name. Shout out to eighty 0:59:51.120 --> 0:59:51.520 five South. 0:59:52.120 --> 0:59:53.760 That's the one with Cameron on it. Right, yes, ninety 0:59:53.760 --> 0:59:54.720 five North, great song. 0:59:55.160 --> 0:59:57.400 Coleman produced that boy Wonder he's to me one of 0:59:57.440 --> 1:00:01.320 the probably the most talented new producer that I think 1:00:01.400 --> 1:00:05.880 everyone is going to really gravitate too soon. Even when 1:00:06.200 --> 1:00:07.800 Bank started on it, I sent it over to Coleman 1:00:07.840 --> 1:00:09.840 to help us out with like keys and other stuff, 1:00:10.240 --> 1:00:12.400 and Bank was like, Yo, can I sign him? 1:00:12.440 --> 1:00:12.760 Like who? 1:00:13.480 --> 1:00:18.600 This kid is incredible? So yeah, Bank Coleman. Reason sobering 1:00:18.600 --> 1:00:20.800 thoughts in the Mandren and actually came from a conversation 1:00:21.600 --> 1:00:23.240 reason that I had when he was dropping me off 1:00:23.280 --> 1:00:25.240 at the mandre On and we sat in the car 1:00:25.800 --> 1:00:28.000 and talked for like an hour and a half and 1:00:28.040 --> 1:00:30.240 I was like, oh, one of the best. I was 1:00:30.280 --> 1:00:32.720 like this. We had another song called reasonable Ending, which 1:00:32.720 --> 1:00:35.000 I think might be licked on YouTube. At this point 1:00:35.000 --> 1:00:36.600 people had heard it, and I said, we got to 1:00:36.600 --> 1:00:39.920 redo this, like, let's let's get a whole new beat, 1:00:40.000 --> 1:00:42.160 let's start this conversation we just had needs to be 1:00:42.200 --> 1:00:46.240 the outro. And Drake actually DM me and said, with 1:00:46.320 --> 1:00:48.440 a Drake ass title like that, there better be bars 1:00:48.480 --> 1:00:54.160 on it. I don't think we disappointed. I think reason 1:00:54.200 --> 1:00:55.080 went crazy on the shit. 1:00:56.280 --> 1:00:59.840 But yeah, reply and say next album I got something 1:00:59.840 --> 1:01:00.280 for Yeah. 1:01:00.760 --> 1:01:03.160 No, no, because I wouldn't play myself in that regard. 1:01:03.400 --> 1:01:08.120 I just don't think that's how Drake features work. Drake, 1:01:08.160 --> 1:01:09.800 he's a nice guy, super nice guy. He owes me 1:01:09.840 --> 1:01:11.840 a lot of money, but he's a nice guy. Oh yeah, 1:01:11.880 --> 1:01:13.440 don't you guys have some bet heves me. 1:01:13.440 --> 1:01:17.360 Money fifty thousand dollars. Yeah, they'll never pay it. Because 1:01:17.640 --> 1:01:19.840 I don't strike Drake as the guy. To remember our 1:01:19.880 --> 1:01:23.920 conversation with me and Freddy Gibson, this guy at a bar, well. 1:01:23.800 --> 1:01:25.480 He has a he has steak. 1:01:25.520 --> 1:01:27.400 Now he can't give you like a voucher for fifty 1:01:27.400 --> 1:01:29.840 grand fucking sweet, so you could bet your own I 1:01:29.880 --> 1:01:32.320 could lose it. Yeah, the Suns. You just got to 1:01:32.320 --> 1:01:34.240 go to Turk. Doc rivers, bitch asks because I'm sure 1:01:34.240 --> 1:01:35.920 he'll my luck. He'll be the next fucking coach and 1:01:35.920 --> 1:01:36.760 I want to kill myself. 1:01:36.840 --> 1:01:38.520 Drake isn't low by staying in Turks. I know it's 1:01:38.520 --> 1:01:39.160 a beautiful island. 1:01:39.200 --> 1:01:40.400 There's does he live in Turks? 1:01:41.520 --> 1:01:43.200 It appears that way, and I'm just gonna go for 1:01:43.280 --> 1:01:46.000 tax reasons. But that's just me. Dude. He bets like 1:01:46.040 --> 1:01:47.680 a million a day, and I'm like, you can't do that. 1:01:47.800 --> 1:01:49.320 And my thing, you can't do that in New York. 1:01:49.440 --> 1:01:51.360 Listen my thing with the Steak, then you have to 1:01:51.400 --> 1:01:51.840 do that in. 1:01:52.400 --> 1:01:55.720 Turks, so listen especially for sure, for sure, my thing 1:01:55.720 --> 1:01:57.880 with Steak is why is everyone on Steak that I 1:01:57.960 --> 1:02:02.000 see betting like astronomical like that out boys and Drake 1:02:02.080 --> 1:02:04.840 and I'm like, are they giving them this fucking money? 1:02:05.880 --> 1:02:09.480 I mean, it could work in a strip club type 1:02:09.520 --> 1:02:12.000 of way because a lot of times, like if you know, 1:02:12.280 --> 1:02:14.600 rappers will be booked for a strip club, and they 1:02:14.640 --> 1:02:17.280 will give them a certain amount of give but you 1:02:17.360 --> 1:02:19.280 have to throw these like it'll go back to the club, 1:02:19.480 --> 1:02:22.120 back to the club. It's for optics. So I could 1:02:22.120 --> 1:02:24.480 definitely see a world where Steak would give popular people 1:02:24.720 --> 1:02:26.760 a crazy credit where you're not gonna win and you're 1:02:26.760 --> 1:02:28.840 not gonna pull this out. No, you could bet. You 1:02:28.840 --> 1:02:30.760 could bet it all and lose, you'll be fine, but 1:02:30.760 --> 1:02:33.640 if you win, you're not gonna get the money. I 1:02:33.640 --> 1:02:36.840 could see that's good pr especially with the betting world. 1:02:36.840 --> 1:02:38.600 Now that's the new face. Jay Z's trying to put 1:02:38.720 --> 1:02:39.800 Caesars in Times Square. 1:02:40.200 --> 1:02:43.360 What's your favorite Drake album? Uh? Nothing was the same 1:02:43.520 --> 1:02:46.240 mine too. Yeah, I'll probably say that you think Drake 1:02:46.280 --> 1:02:48.440 has a classic, I would say Nothing was the same 1:02:48.480 --> 1:02:50.400 as a classic album. Do you think it's like a 1:02:50.720 --> 1:02:53.480 lack a good Kid, Mad City, doggy style Garritchard Dyke 1:02:53.520 --> 1:02:55.440 trying classic or you think it's like a classic to you? 1:02:56.560 --> 1:02:58.440 Because to me it's a classic. But I would say it. 1:02:58.480 --> 1:03:00.400 I would say take Care would be that club. If 1:03:00.400 --> 1:03:02.600 you were gonna talk good Kid, Mad City, I'll talk 1:03:02.600 --> 1:03:03.480 about me personally. 1:03:03.560 --> 1:03:06.600 Me personally, I agree, and I think take Care. 1:03:06.520 --> 1:03:09.000 Is a classic album that deserves to be putting those 1:03:09.520 --> 1:03:12.760 good kids get rich. Of course, absolutely, it defined a time, 1:03:12.880 --> 1:03:15.320 a sound. It is what it checks every box of 1:03:15.320 --> 1:03:17.880 a classic. Okay, you can maybe argue it's not a 1:03:18.080 --> 1:03:20.160 rap album, but it's a classic album. 1:03:20.560 --> 1:03:21.400 It's a great album. 1:03:21.560 --> 1:03:25.320 And they got to stop putting The Weekend did that whole? Why? 1:03:25.360 --> 1:03:27.640 Why did why did we all say that the wait? 1:03:27.720 --> 1:03:29.240 Wait would that theory. 1:03:28.960 --> 1:03:30.680 That the Weekend did to take care? You know when 1:03:30.680 --> 1:03:32.080 they try to shit on Drake and they put for 1:03:32.080 --> 1:03:34.360 each person, like Quentin did this one, and we like 1:03:34.640 --> 1:03:36.800 Weekend did vocals on the Ultro. 1:03:37.320 --> 1:03:38.120 I love the Weekend. 1:03:38.320 --> 1:03:40.560 Meanwhile we say he wrote the whole album. 1:03:41.040 --> 1:03:42.760 Yo, you're an R and B guy, right, So, like 1:03:43.480 --> 1:03:45.920 I think about like the dark ages of R and 1:03:45.960 --> 1:03:49.680 B that produced guys like Frank Ocean in the Weekend, 1:03:49.760 --> 1:03:51.960 because we have this like weird era of R and 1:03:52.000 --> 1:03:55.120 B where like Neo was doing fist pump like fucking 1:03:55.720 --> 1:03:59.320 anthems with pit Bull and fucking Chris Brown and Usher 1:03:59.440 --> 1:04:01.880 was saying home my God, where I am just doing 1:04:01.920 --> 1:04:04.760 all this fun just terrible pop records that were all 1:04:04.760 --> 1:04:09.480 over the fucking radio. Trey songs didn't budge, I don't 1:04:09.520 --> 1:04:11.360 remember a Trey Song's e DM song. 1:04:11.960 --> 1:04:13.480 But there might be one. But Tray at that time 1:04:13.600 --> 1:04:16.120 was doing like actually really dope R and B mixtapes. 1:04:16.200 --> 1:04:17.520 For sure, he was keeping. 1:04:18.400 --> 1:04:20.520 But I feel like out of that we did get 1:04:20.560 --> 1:04:23.120 like the Frank Ocean and the weekend shit. At that 1:04:23.200 --> 1:04:24.680 same time, it was like House of Balloons. 1:04:24.760 --> 1:04:28.800 The summer of twenty eleven, we got Nostalgia Ultra, we 1:04:28.840 --> 1:04:32.920 got House of Balloons, and we got Cocaine eighties. That's 1:04:33.040 --> 1:04:35.120 that changed. And then shortly after that. 1:04:35.200 --> 1:04:37.360 Miguel had some dope. I mean, Miguel's album was crazy 1:04:37.400 --> 1:04:37.840 at that time. 1:04:37.920 --> 1:04:42.160 Oh, Kaleidoscope Dreams incredible, but that was more like Channel 1:04:42.240 --> 1:04:45.800 Orange time. I think, well was all I was saying. 1:04:45.920 --> 1:04:47.880 But even the first album, all I wanted was dope 1:04:48.000 --> 1:04:48.320 we had. 1:04:48.520 --> 1:04:50.280 And then I'm saying more so like what kind of 1:04:50.320 --> 1:04:52.080 defined the way we're talking about the blog era When 1:04:52.120 --> 1:04:55.120 it came to R and B. It was Frank, Cocaine eighties, 1:04:55.520 --> 1:04:59.000 the Weekend and then Janey was putting out her mixtapes 1:04:59.040 --> 1:05:02.000 at that time, And that, I mean to me is 1:05:02.160 --> 1:05:08.080 the genre of what this moody, dark to somebody whispering 1:05:08.960 --> 1:05:10.600 R and B is, which I know a lot of 1:05:10.720 --> 1:05:13.000 R and B people shit on this new sound of 1:05:13.040 --> 1:05:14.560 R and B. I don't. I think R and B 1:05:14.680 --> 1:05:17.040 is an amazing place. And if you look, there's people 1:05:17.080 --> 1:05:19.000 that can really sing. The's people that can make really 1:05:19.000 --> 1:05:22.080 good music. There's people that can make dark, moody, whispery 1:05:22.080 --> 1:05:23.480 shit that I like too. Like it doesn't have to 1:05:23.560 --> 1:05:25.920 be defined just by the vocalists. I think we need 1:05:25.960 --> 1:05:29.560 to take care of our vocalists. They are the unicorns 1:05:29.680 --> 1:05:32.120 and we need them all the time. But that doesn't 1:05:32.160 --> 1:05:33.760 mean we have to shit on everyone that can make 1:05:33.800 --> 1:05:35.080 great records when they're whispering. 1:05:35.440 --> 1:05:38.800 I was gonna say, there's like this huge obviously, with 1:05:38.840 --> 1:05:40.840 what happened at Coachella, a lot of people are down 1:05:40.880 --> 1:05:44.000 on Frank Ocean rightfully. You know, I get it. Yeah, 1:05:44.040 --> 1:05:46.240 for sure, he fucking did a half assed I'm so 1:05:46.320 --> 1:05:48.160 glad I was. My son's a huge Frank Ocean fan. 1:05:48.560 --> 1:05:51.240 I'm so glad I was about to do the whole weekend. 1:05:52.280 --> 1:05:56.280 I'm so glad my tickets did not come through because 1:05:56.320 --> 1:05:58.520 I was like, you see your fucking this is your 1:05:58.560 --> 1:06:01.320 savior on stage with a fucking DJ doing a random 1:06:01.360 --> 1:06:03.280 set for thirty minutes in the king. 1:06:03.400 --> 1:06:05.280 What is this is your fucking king right here? 1:06:06.040 --> 1:06:09.120 But I still love Frank, But I feel like, do 1:06:09.120 --> 1:06:11.720 you feel like we over like like we hold him 1:06:11.720 --> 1:06:13.880 in a higher regard than we should based on like 1:06:14.040 --> 1:06:15.880 the amount of music that's actually out. Well, it also 1:06:15.920 --> 1:06:17.640 tells you, of course how good that music was. 1:06:17.720 --> 1:06:19.640 I mean, he's one of the few artists in this 1:06:19.680 --> 1:06:21.560 era that did the mystique things so well that we 1:06:21.600 --> 1:06:25.160 don't know his asterisks like we have. We know all 1:06:25.160 --> 1:06:28.240 of Chris Brown's asterisks, we do all all, but you 1:06:28.320 --> 1:06:31.560 have to at least Chris Brown has given us himself, 1:06:32.200 --> 1:06:35.240 whether music personally, for everything, for good or bad. He's 1:06:35.280 --> 1:06:37.840 constantly put music out, He's constantly performing, he's constantly trying 1:06:37.840 --> 1:06:42.960 new things like that's great, but Frank hasn't done that, 1:06:43.160 --> 1:06:44.120 and which is fine. 1:06:44.120 --> 1:06:46.720 He had to put out like a fifteen thousand dollars 1:06:46.760 --> 1:06:50.120 cock ring, Okay, well, I mean he did entrepreneur. He 1:06:50.120 --> 1:06:53.200 put out a piece of dick jewelry entrepreneurs interesting this year. 1:06:54.240 --> 1:06:56.080 But I have a weird, weird thoughts on that too, 1:06:56.120 --> 1:07:00.360 because I think we still need those few mysterious artists. 1:07:00.640 --> 1:07:02.480 Like I still like that because I grew up in 1:07:02.480 --> 1:07:04.280 that era where it was like you didn't know the 1:07:04.360 --> 1:07:05.920 artists and they gave you an album and then they 1:07:05.960 --> 1:07:08.000 disappeared for three years and then they came back. Like 1:07:08.320 --> 1:07:10.000 that's ill if you can do that now. And Frank 1:07:10.400 --> 1:07:13.400 has a masterclass in that regard. But it makes moments 1:07:13.440 --> 1:07:18.160 like Coachella super magnified if and you deserve all the 1:07:18.200 --> 1:07:20.440 critique you get from it because you only pop up 1:07:20.480 --> 1:07:22.560 every now and then. So when you pop up, you 1:07:22.600 --> 1:07:25.480 have to make it your best. Like we waited forever 1:07:25.560 --> 1:07:27.880 from Channel Orange to Blonde. He delivered on Blonde. He 1:07:28.000 --> 1:07:30.960 kept that mystique and that legend going. So when you're 1:07:31.000 --> 1:07:34.080 about to do Coachella, we assume, if you're gonna do Coachella, 1:07:35.200 --> 1:07:37.640 you've been rehearsing for a year. You don't pop out 1:07:37.680 --> 1:07:38.840 unless it's gonna be something. 1:07:39.080 --> 1:07:41.720 Yeah, you would expect like this is gonna be insane, 1:07:42.280 --> 1:07:45.520 and I assume that there'd be music with it, like 1:07:45.520 --> 1:07:46.840 if you're gonna pop out and do something. 1:07:47.400 --> 1:07:49.880 I don't think Frank is low on money. I don't. 1:07:50.480 --> 1:07:51.640 I mean, I don't know his habits. I think the 1:07:51.640 --> 1:07:53.320 cock Ring probably did well. I don't know did he 1:07:53.360 --> 1:07:54.160 partner with bluech You. 1:07:54.280 --> 1:07:57.439 I don't know, maybe promokoo like three months. 1:07:58.080 --> 1:08:00.800 It's just when you when you disap and have that 1:08:00.920 --> 1:08:03.800 luxury of disappearing and having so much, so much anticipation 1:08:03.960 --> 1:08:08.160 when you just tweet hey, you have to deliver when 1:08:08.200 --> 1:08:11.080 it's time to and he did not deliver. So nah, 1:08:11.360 --> 1:08:14.880 he deserves the critique he's gotten. He's a legend in 1:08:14.880 --> 1:08:16.479 my opinion when it comes to music. He's one of 1:08:16.479 --> 1:08:17.439 my favorite dude. 1:08:17.680 --> 1:08:20.160 But I mean, I love Channel Orange. Blond was one 1:08:20.200 --> 1:08:21.400 of those ones that had to grow on me. 1:08:21.640 --> 1:08:23.680 It grew on me. I didn't like Blonde when it 1:08:23.920 --> 1:08:24.599 first came out. 1:08:24.680 --> 1:08:26.200 Let me, it's almost like Season two of The Wire. 1:08:26.280 --> 1:08:28.800 You know, sure, that's a all right, I'm not mad 1:08:28.840 --> 1:08:30.200 at that comparison. You know you wat Season two with 1:08:30.200 --> 1:08:31.800 The Wire. Who all these fucking white dudes at the 1:08:31.800 --> 1:08:34.040 fucking pier? You know, like, oh no, I love Season 1:08:34.080 --> 1:08:34.599 two of The Wire. 1:08:34.640 --> 1:08:38.599 Now, like Blonde, initially I didn't hate, but I wasn't 1:08:38.600 --> 1:08:41.519 a huge fan of it. As the years went, it's 1:08:41.560 --> 1:08:44.280 one of the best written albums. I think when I 1:08:44.320 --> 1:08:48.799 got to my late twenties, around like twenty nine, almost 1:08:48.800 --> 1:08:50.479 probably going to thirty, I was like, this is this 1:08:50.560 --> 1:08:53.840 is the definition of someone transitioning from their twenties to 1:08:53.880 --> 1:08:56.960 their thirties, right, Like, the writing on that album is 1:08:57.280 --> 1:09:00.680 fucking incredible. It's a rap album, almost down to what 1:09:00.720 --> 1:09:02.720 Scissor did with sos Of, just like how much her 1:09:02.800 --> 1:09:05.920 pen is all over that crazy the way Solange would 1:09:05.920 --> 1:09:08.599 seated at the table where it's just like, this isn't 1:09:08.640 --> 1:09:10.800 just R and B. There's so much fucking words and 1:09:10.840 --> 1:09:14.400 content in this. It's not just melody driven, it's not 1:09:14.479 --> 1:09:17.600 drum driven. This is a pen Blonde is that to me? 1:09:17.680 --> 1:09:19.360 It's one of the best written albums I've ever heard, 1:09:19.520 --> 1:09:22.200 but it took me years to get there. Yeah. 1:09:22.240 --> 1:09:25.880 I feel like because you're just you just expect something different. 1:09:25.920 --> 1:09:28.200 There's not a wasted syllable on Blonde, and it took 1:09:28.280 --> 1:09:31.280 me a while to realize that. But I was saying, 1:09:31.560 --> 1:09:34.200 coming off Channel Orange, give me a snare, like what 1:09:34.280 --> 1:09:36.960 the fuck? And he gave us Knights. Oh no, No, 1:09:37.000 --> 1:09:38.120 Knights did come out with it, but that was the 1:09:38.160 --> 1:09:40.720 one that they pushed and that was the first one 1:09:40.720 --> 1:09:42.160 we heard, so I assume the rest of the album 1:09:42.160 --> 1:09:43.519 would be like Knights, And I was like, I have 1:09:43.600 --> 1:09:47.960 not heard a fucking kick yet. But it's it's a classic. 1:09:48.520 --> 1:09:52.200 You've been putting out visualizers for the album, Uh, what 1:09:52.720 --> 1:09:55.599 for you? Because I saw one of them that was inspired. 1:09:56.280 --> 1:09:59.800 What was the Robin Williams movie One Hour Photo where 1:09:59.840 --> 1:10:02.880 he's a crazy fucking It's an underrated movie. 1:10:03.000 --> 1:10:05.080 It's it's one of my favorite Robin Williams films ever. 1:10:05.200 --> 1:10:06.400 Rest in Peace to the God Man. 1:10:06.479 --> 1:10:06.639 Yeah. 1:10:06.680 --> 1:10:09.479 Do you ever see him Robin Williams live on Broadway 1:10:09.520 --> 1:10:10.240 the stand up? 1:10:10.479 --> 1:10:10.920 No, I haven't. 1:10:10.920 --> 1:10:11.679 It's fucking amazing. 1:10:12.320 --> 1:10:15.640 But all his material huh, all his material, I don't know. 1:10:15.800 --> 1:10:17.840 I don't see I don't know the nuances of like 1:10:17.880 --> 1:10:19.240 if he had people writing his jokes now. 1:10:19.280 --> 1:10:21.559 But I'm a Robin Williams movie fan. 1:10:21.600 --> 1:10:24.519 I can't say I've ever deeped out into Statch. Adams 1:10:24.640 --> 1:10:28.760 was fire fair, fucking tear jerker man. Yeah, but what 1:10:29.000 --> 1:10:29.840 like even like Jack? 1:10:30.360 --> 1:10:34.160 Jack was solid. Jack was good, not as wait wait, 1:10:34.840 --> 1:10:36.719 he might have started the pronoun waves somehow. 1:10:37.040 --> 1:10:40.920 What was the uh the one with fucking God damn 1:10:40.960 --> 1:10:44.120 it never mind, We're not even gonna go down that. 1:10:44.080 --> 1:10:44.719 Way, Jimi. 1:10:45.280 --> 1:10:47.679 No, no, no, no, no no, no. Jack made me think 1:10:47.680 --> 1:10:48.000 if I. 1:10:47.960 --> 1:10:51.040 Am Sam for some reason. No, that's Sean Penn. 1:10:50.880 --> 1:10:54.240 I know, I know that's why, never mind, But no, 1:10:54.400 --> 1:10:56.200 I wasn't asking when it comes to your visuals, like, 1:10:56.439 --> 1:10:59.720 obviously you're not do are you? You're not doing the 1:10:59.840 --> 1:11:03.040 like I guess normal music video route. You're doing more 1:11:03.120 --> 1:11:05.559 visualizers you do it. It feels like they're more like art pieces. 1:11:05.840 --> 1:11:08.080 Well again, initially back to me saying I never really 1:11:08.120 --> 1:11:11.360 wanted to be too forward facing with it. The initial 1:11:11.400 --> 1:11:14.360 idea with the visualizers, we're gonna be narrative based with actors. 1:11:15.439 --> 1:11:17.400 Maybe I would be an easter egg, like I'd be 1:11:17.640 --> 1:11:19.719 the person working at the deli, right, and the artists 1:11:19.720 --> 1:11:21.960 would also be just bigger easter eggs, but it would 1:11:21.960 --> 1:11:25.839 be very much narrative driven. And just like with this albums, 1:11:26.000 --> 1:11:29.280 as far as scheduling dates and how difficult that became, 1:11:30.080 --> 1:11:31.599 I was like, all right, I might have to get 1:11:31.640 --> 1:11:34.360 out of my comfort zone and just do a proper 1:11:34.439 --> 1:11:37.200 visualizer because I can't get everyone on the same page. 1:11:37.240 --> 1:11:39.120 Like even I'm sure that's the hardest part about doing 1:11:39.120 --> 1:11:41.840 an album like this. Different people's schedules. Getting people in person 1:11:41.920 --> 1:11:42.879 at the same time. 1:11:43.240 --> 1:11:46.639 And not even making the album is way easier than 1:11:47.720 --> 1:11:51.639 every artist's release schedule because everyone's pitching to the same playlist. 1:11:52.000 --> 1:11:55.360 Everyone needs four or five weeks if their label is 1:11:55.560 --> 1:11:57.519 I've an incredible in Missago record, but it just doesn't 1:11:57.560 --> 1:12:00.880 work with timing. And that's I consider Misago a friend 1:12:00.920 --> 1:12:03.000 and we would put it out if it made sense 1:12:03.040 --> 1:12:05.040 for his career too. He's got a record out, we 1:12:05.040 --> 1:12:07.599 can't put another one because it him be primary, like right, 1:12:07.640 --> 1:12:11.479 it'll push push. That was the most difficult thing when 1:12:11.479 --> 1:12:13.920 it came to putting this out, but with visuals as well. 1:12:14.360 --> 1:12:17.840 So I've just tried to run through shit. I love 1:12:17.920 --> 1:12:19.920 growing up and One Hour Photo was one of those 1:12:20.640 --> 1:12:25.160 those things that I felt was something we could recreate. 1:12:25.680 --> 1:12:30.280 And I mean there's metaphors within that entire thing, which 1:12:30.320 --> 1:12:32.200 I didn't even really discuss with I did with Raven 1:12:32.240 --> 1:12:35.040 who's one of my best friends, Ravy B who directed it. 1:12:35.439 --> 1:12:37.600 I didn't really discuss with her my idea of what 1:12:37.680 --> 1:12:40.120 the metaphor of that entire thing is, and it's almost 1:12:40.120 --> 1:12:43.679 down to a Reddit thing. One Hour Photo is about 1:12:43.720 --> 1:12:46.240 a guy that is obsessed with a family, just develops 1:12:46.280 --> 1:12:48.360 photos and he feels like he's a part of that family, 1:12:48.720 --> 1:12:51.679 and he gets so obsessed over it that he damn 1:12:51.680 --> 1:12:54.280 near wants to kill the husband when he makes a 1:12:54.320 --> 1:12:57.439 mistake of keeping that family going. So while I played 1:12:57.479 --> 1:13:02.559 Robin Williams in that that visualizer, the fans are Robin Williams. 1:13:02.640 --> 1:13:06.479 They are. That was more reddit, guys. That was more 1:13:06.520 --> 1:13:10.200 so down from from Lipstick Alley down, like and we 1:13:10.240 --> 1:13:12.360 do have a rory and mall like sub robe for sure, 1:13:13.040 --> 1:13:15.639 I'm in there too. I talk. It's pretty, it's pretty 1:13:15.640 --> 1:13:19.280 pretty gnarly. I mean, it's not like mixed toxic. Definitely 1:13:19.280 --> 1:13:21.599 not no jumper toxic. It's a mixed bag. But yeah, 1:13:21.600 --> 1:13:24.000 that visualizer was was more so I saw all the 1:13:24.000 --> 1:13:27.280 theories of like it had to do with my past relationship, 1:13:27.360 --> 1:13:29.560 and she moved on. No, that was about y'all. And 1:13:29.600 --> 1:13:31.120 that's why I thought it was so funny that the 1:13:31.120 --> 1:13:33.599 theories that they came up were just so off and 1:13:33.640 --> 1:13:36.800 were so much about me and my personal life. It 1:13:36.920 --> 1:13:40.400 proved my fucking point that this visualizer, you guys think, 1:13:40.439 --> 1:13:43.599 you guys know that was y'all in the glasses walking 1:13:43.640 --> 1:13:46.640 around with my dog, like you guys have felt, you 1:13:46.680 --> 1:13:50.639 guys are a part of my private life. So that's 1:13:50.640 --> 1:13:52.080 what that visualizer. 1:13:52.240 --> 1:13:54.000 That is funny because and I never spoke about that. 1:13:54.040 --> 1:13:55.160 This is the first time I talk you guys do 1:13:55.240 --> 1:13:58.360 have some crazy fans. That's why I always like tell 1:13:58.520 --> 1:14:01.000 like I'm always like, you know, I do interviews and 1:14:01.040 --> 1:14:02.800 I want to start doing like more just like non 1:14:02.840 --> 1:14:05.280 interview content. But I also don't want people to care 1:14:05.280 --> 1:14:08.960 about me that much. I like consciously, like I'm very 1:14:08.960 --> 1:14:11.200 conscious about like I don't want people to really give 1:14:11.240 --> 1:14:12.680 a fuck that much about me. 1:14:13.000 --> 1:14:15.920 But we can also be honest, and I know most 1:14:15.960 --> 1:14:19.479 people want tomit this. We also need them to. People 1:14:19.520 --> 1:14:21.240 talk a lot of shit about my personal life and 1:14:21.240 --> 1:14:25.000 it is what it is. If they stop, what does 1:14:25.040 --> 1:14:28.000 that say? Yeah, I mean that's fair. It's part of 1:14:28.040 --> 1:14:28.519 the gig. 1:14:28.560 --> 1:14:30.200 Part of it. It's part of the gig. I can 1:14:30.320 --> 1:14:33.920 just move accordingly and do visualizers like enough, Like that's 1:14:33.920 --> 1:14:35.920 why I feel better about it. Like there was like 1:14:36.000 --> 1:14:37.599 times where me and Adam are like Adam was talking 1:14:37.600 --> 1:14:38.920 about bringing me to No Jumper to do like a 1:14:38.960 --> 1:14:40.960 weekly show with them, and I was like, oh, yeah, 1:14:41.000 --> 1:14:42.800 I don't want people to care that much brouh, Like, 1:14:42.880 --> 1:14:45.559 I don't want I don't need that fucking I don't 1:14:45.560 --> 1:14:49.599 need those guys. Yeah, Like things are going pretty well, right, now. 1:14:49.760 --> 1:14:51.400 I mean, obviously I'm trying to scale, I'm trying to 1:14:51.439 --> 1:14:53.439 do it for shit, but I'm like, man, those fucking 1:14:53.920 --> 1:14:57.000 those guys are fucking they're in your shit, like posting 1:14:57.040 --> 1:14:59.000 your girl and shit, and I'm like, I couldn't do it. 1:14:59.640 --> 1:15:03.160 I mean, that's even with the kid thing. I mean, 1:15:03.200 --> 1:15:06.080 I I put the IG clip out. It's funny calling 1:15:06.080 --> 1:15:10.240 it the kid thing. You know, fatherhood that was a 1:15:10.280 --> 1:15:14.320 big thing I was had to figure out after like 1:15:14.479 --> 1:15:16.840 it had set in and I started to get in 1:15:16.920 --> 1:15:20.200 the rhythm of being a father. Was all right, I 1:15:20.240 --> 1:15:23.120 have a podcast, and I already see people on Reddit 1:15:23.160 --> 1:15:25.719 and all these other shits talking about it, like because 1:15:25.720 --> 1:15:27.240 I wasn't hot. I was like walking around with my kid. 1:15:27.280 --> 1:15:29.000 If you saw me, you saw my child. 1:15:29.600 --> 1:15:31.320 Like, but people are already talking about it and every. 1:15:31.200 --> 1:15:34.599 Yeah, everyone around me knew even Yeah, it wasn't anything 1:15:34.760 --> 1:15:36.760 hidden per se, but in the podcast world, it wasn't 1:15:36.760 --> 1:15:41.200 something I was talking about. Yeah, you guys are so 1:15:41.360 --> 1:15:43.800 obsessed with personal shit. Fuck it. When I put an 1:15:43.800 --> 1:15:46.160 album out, I'm eventually going to talk about my kid. 1:15:46.280 --> 1:15:49.080 Quite a perfect time. 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Yes, crazy commercial break there, 1:18:30.840 --> 1:18:33.640 right commercial. It just came out of a Bluetooth commercial. 1:18:33.720 --> 1:18:36.519 Yes, well we weren't talking about that. 1:18:37.160 --> 1:18:39.920 Ah, dude, let me ask you this you got cause 1:18:39.960 --> 1:18:42.200 I've been going through this a little bit more recently 1:18:44.479 --> 1:18:47.640 where I've had like fan bases like, come at me crazy. 1:18:48.240 --> 1:18:52.400 I've had like the little Kim fans thousands of tweets 1:18:52.439 --> 1:18:56.240 in like twenty four hours just on my fucking head. Yeah, 1:18:56.520 --> 1:19:00.200 and then recently the Dirk fans, which is crazy. 1:19:00.280 --> 1:19:01.200 What do you say about Dirk? 1:19:01.960 --> 1:19:02.240 Nothing? 1:19:02.280 --> 1:19:02.599 Crazy? 1:19:03.120 --> 1:19:04.559 Me and the kids from uh. 1:19:07.439 --> 1:19:07.760 What's it? 1:19:08.200 --> 1:19:12.840 What's what's it? Jen Rivera and uh Kyle Rich? You 1:19:12.840 --> 1:19:14.880 would know drill guy over there, Benner, the forty one 1:19:14.960 --> 1:19:21.280 kids from Brooklyn, Jen Carter, Jen Carter and Kyle Rich? 1:19:21.320 --> 1:19:23.600 Who are these drill kids from Brooklyn? That well, I 1:19:23.640 --> 1:19:25.840 support them from New York. Super nice guys, but I'm 1:19:26.479 --> 1:19:26.920 and lady. 1:19:27.360 --> 1:19:27.600 But no. 1:19:27.720 --> 1:19:30.840 We were talking about who was bigger, little Baby or 1:19:30.880 --> 1:19:33.880 little Dirk and they were like emphatically like man dark 1:19:34.080 --> 1:19:36.439 And I was like, well, Dirk doesn't have any hit records. 1:19:37.200 --> 1:19:39.160 Oh, yes, I did say that you. I did see 1:19:39.160 --> 1:19:40.680 this clip. I thought it was a fair point that 1:19:40.720 --> 1:19:41.000 you made. 1:19:41.120 --> 1:19:42.800 Yeah, and I was like, top ten's he doesn't have 1:19:42.840 --> 1:19:44.519 any Like he just doesn't have a top Now now 1:19:44.520 --> 1:19:46.600 he does, by the way, do we. 1:19:46.600 --> 1:19:47.320 Know that officially though? 1:19:47.360 --> 1:19:49.559 Yeah? It's number two on the Okay, so the first 1:19:49.560 --> 1:19:52.519 time he's ever been like his his song and it's 1:19:52.520 --> 1:19:53.240 a fucking smash. 1:19:53.280 --> 1:19:54.960 Incredible shout out to Dirk, But. 1:19:55.160 --> 1:19:57.599 Man, the fucking fan yo, he's you would have all 1:19:57.640 --> 1:20:01.000 these fucking weirdos who swear their OTF and they live 1:20:01.040 --> 1:20:03.880 in their fucking mom's basement in Scottsdale, Arizona or some 1:20:04.000 --> 1:20:08.200 shit like, it's fucking crazy. Yeah, Like what has been 1:20:08.240 --> 1:20:11.120 the craziest like moment where because you guys openly just 1:20:11.280 --> 1:20:13.760 talk about music. So I'm assuming at a certain point 1:20:13.760 --> 1:20:15.200 in time you had have caught some strays from some 1:20:15.240 --> 1:20:16.080 of these wild fan base. 1:20:16.200 --> 1:20:18.960 Oh barbs, And it's not even close, but it's not. 1:20:19.000 --> 1:20:24.320 It wasn't based off a comment I made. We had 1:20:24.479 --> 1:20:26.599 interviewed Nikki and. 1:20:26.560 --> 1:20:28.559 I had brought up Remember that I had brought up a. 1:20:28.600 --> 1:20:32.479 Question that I still think is a fair question to 1:20:32.600 --> 1:20:35.920 ask somebody. I had asked Nikki, at what point do 1:20:35.960 --> 1:20:38.679 you and I'm paraphrasing. It was recorded, I don't remember, 1:20:38.920 --> 1:20:40.960 but it was something along the lines of why do 1:20:41.000 --> 1:20:43.120 you feel like you have to respond to all this? 1:20:43.280 --> 1:20:45.240 Like why do you let that type of shit get 1:20:45.240 --> 1:20:49.360 to you? And she she had a very fair response 1:20:49.560 --> 1:20:53.240 of if you had people because she was she was 1:20:53.240 --> 1:20:57.599 comparing the difference between her fan base in mind, which 1:20:57.640 --> 1:21:00.559 is a very fair thing. It's like, if you had 1:21:00.600 --> 1:21:04.400 people just continuing to make rumors up about you, you 1:21:04.439 --> 1:21:07.080 would feel a way too. And I replied like I 1:21:07.120 --> 1:21:11.599 probably wouldn't, which was foreshadowing because I kind of did later. 1:21:12.040 --> 1:21:14.200 So, barbs, barbs, you may got one. 1:21:14.280 --> 1:21:18.599 Yeah, she said, what would you feel if somebody started 1:21:18.640 --> 1:21:22.679 a rumor that someone stuck a broomstick up your ass? 1:21:22.960 --> 1:21:26.000 Nicki Mina said this to me eye to eye on camera. 1:21:27.200 --> 1:21:28.840 I could refresh my mentions. I don't even know what 1:21:28.880 --> 1:21:31.000 year that was. I could refresh my mentions right now, 1:21:31.400 --> 1:21:34.559 and there may be a photo of me on a 1:21:34.600 --> 1:21:37.240 Harry Potter broom and a barb saying, how's that broom 1:21:37.320 --> 1:21:40.759 up your ass? It has not stopped for seven years? Wow? 1:21:41.080 --> 1:21:41.280 Yeah. 1:21:41.560 --> 1:21:44.719 No, the barbs are resentless, and I fuck with Nikki 1:21:44.800 --> 1:21:47.320 I always have, but they don't. That's the crazy thing 1:21:47.320 --> 1:21:50.240 about the barbs. Though they won't look for who's supporting. 1:21:50.400 --> 1:21:53.679 They'll find one off comment and go crazy. 1:21:53.760 --> 1:21:58.960 So I said something about and I didn't care about them. 1:21:59.160 --> 1:22:04.320 I said something, and mind you, maybe I was a 1:22:04.400 --> 1:22:08.640 victim of the assumption that little Kim did not or 1:22:08.680 --> 1:22:10.799 had a lot of help from biggie writing hardcore. 1:22:11.760 --> 1:22:13.679 I think that's fair to say, right. 1:22:13.840 --> 1:22:17.720 So I had said something to that effect when me 1:22:17.760 --> 1:22:21.200 and Nick Cannon were discussing the female goats, because he 1:22:21.200 --> 1:22:25.920 said Lauren and then he put Kim above Nicki, and 1:22:25.960 --> 1:22:28.120 I was like, well, could you do that? If Kim 1:22:28.840 --> 1:22:30.679 bigger owner shit? You know, like, I don't know. 1:22:30.920 --> 1:22:34.920 So I'll go on a lim And this isn't just 1:22:34.960 --> 1:22:36.840 trying to make up for the broomstick shit to get 1:22:36.840 --> 1:22:39.080 the bars off my ass. If Kim wrote all her shit, 1:22:39.160 --> 1:22:41.479 I would still put Nicki above Kim. I don't think 1:22:41.479 --> 1:22:44.400 they're fair comparisons. In the amount of time Nicki has 1:22:44.400 --> 1:22:46.120 been in the game, and I was consistent. 1:22:45.760 --> 1:22:47.519 She's she's the greatest of all time. 1:22:47.600 --> 1:22:48.040 I agree with you. 1:22:48.080 --> 1:22:50.040 I think Nikki is the greatest female rapper bols and 1:22:50.080 --> 1:22:52.360 so dude, and I think you could make a case 1:22:52.439 --> 1:22:54.840 that Nikki could be in a list of the. 1:22:54.760 --> 1:22:57.439 Greatest, like top fifteen. Yeah, yeah, I think I would 1:22:57.439 --> 1:22:58.160 be fine with that case. 1:22:59.400 --> 1:23:01.439 But no, but Jesus, I didn't know Little Kim had 1:23:01.479 --> 1:23:03.760 these fucking goons out here on the internet brouh. 1:23:03.840 --> 1:23:05.320 You know, I will say, I don't know if you 1:23:05.360 --> 1:23:10.679 read Prodigy's book. I did not That's another classic. Listen 1:23:10.720 --> 1:23:12.960 to the audiobook because it's it's cooler to hear Pee 1:23:12.960 --> 1:23:13.639 tell those stories. 1:23:13.720 --> 1:23:15.840 Is that the one where he talked about Norris shooting him? 1:23:15.920 --> 1:23:19.600 Yeah, okay for sure, and amongst a lot of other things. 1:23:19.920 --> 1:23:24.040 But he said that he watched Kim write that quiet 1:23:24.040 --> 1:23:27.080 Storm verse and that made me look at Kim a 1:23:27.120 --> 1:23:29.600 little different, one of the best verses ever that she 1:23:29.720 --> 1:23:31.720 wrote that that I watched her write that entire thing. 1:23:31.880 --> 1:23:34.920 So yes, of course Biggie did help. I know clue 1:23:35.000 --> 1:23:38.400 at leaked references of Biggie rapping as Kim. That's happening 1:23:38.400 --> 1:23:40.080 in hip hop. I don't want to take anything away 1:23:40.080 --> 1:23:42.240 from Kim in that regard, but I still would say 1:23:42.840 --> 1:23:46.160 Nikki just is the is the best she's been out. 1:23:46.200 --> 1:23:48.519 She put out way more like what do you We 1:23:48.520 --> 1:23:50.040 don't know if they'll be a Kim without Nikki. You 1:23:50.080 --> 1:23:52.040 could have that argument, but I think that's a weird 1:23:52.120 --> 1:23:53.960 argument to have. Let's deal with what's out and. 1:23:54.200 --> 1:23:56.120 Is there wouldn't be a There wouldn't be a jay 1:23:56.200 --> 1:23:57.479 Z without you know. 1:23:57.600 --> 1:23:59.479 I don't like that what you're about saying. I think 1:23:59.520 --> 1:24:00.639 convo either, But I'm. 1:24:00.479 --> 1:24:02.439 Saying like it doesn't matter, Like that doesn't matter, Like 1:24:02.479 --> 1:24:05.160 at the end of the day, it's like like I 1:24:05.200 --> 1:24:09.040 don't factor that. I like to look at like lyrical ability, catalogs, 1:24:09.160 --> 1:24:11.360 songs like like how good is the music? And I 1:24:11.360 --> 1:24:14.360 love Kim's music, like I love you know, Kim's legend. 1:24:14.400 --> 1:24:16.760 But yeah, I didn't know that her fans also like 1:24:17.280 --> 1:24:20.160 her and Cardi b have like the same like they're 1:24:20.240 --> 1:24:21.920 kind of like in the same gang kind of. So 1:24:21.960 --> 1:24:24.559 I noticed a lot of these bios or like names 1:24:24.600 --> 1:24:27.240 would be like Barti Gang, Queen Bee seven to seven 1:24:27.360 --> 1:24:30.479 or some shit, and I was like, yo, I didn't know, bro. 1:24:30.520 --> 1:24:33.479 Well, I got caught up in the Cardi gang shit 1:24:33.760 --> 1:24:37.200 by proxy, like I was supporting Carti, but Maul was 1:24:37.320 --> 1:24:39.320 suggesting she needs to put out music. You can't have 1:24:39.439 --> 1:24:41.400 album of the Year and then just wait this long. 1:24:41.240 --> 1:24:43.160 Like you were the best she can't rookie year of 1:24:43.200 --> 1:24:46.680 any rapper ever and you haven't playing music out like 1:24:46.680 --> 1:24:49.519 what the fuck singles very successful ones And then Cardi 1:24:49.600 --> 1:24:53.040 went on Live shit It on Maul said Demris was 1:24:53.040 --> 1:24:54.960 the greatest human being ever who's on our show as well, 1:24:55.600 --> 1:24:58.479 And I somehow just got tied in with mal. 1:25:01.040 --> 1:25:02.920 Like this again. I just had this talk about Cardi. 1:25:03.040 --> 1:25:05.400 I can't have beef with Nikki and Cartie. 1:25:05.720 --> 1:25:07.519 I just had to talk with somebody last night about Carti, 1:25:07.760 --> 1:25:10.160 who's at Atlantic. We were just talking like it is 1:25:10.280 --> 1:25:13.439 kind of like we've never seen somebody come out with 1:25:13.479 --> 1:25:16.200 like a classic debut album that is like literally every 1:25:16.200 --> 1:25:17.880 song's a hit, like I mean, I think they're all 1:25:17.920 --> 1:25:19.280 certified PLANEM at this point. 1:25:19.439 --> 1:25:23.000 But only streaming. That's also an unfair conversation. Only streaming 1:25:23.040 --> 1:25:26.000 could allow that true. And that's not to take away 1:25:26.000 --> 1:25:27.880 because I was on the side that Cardi put out 1:25:27.880 --> 1:25:29.880 a classic album. There's not a BA. Every song is 1:25:29.920 --> 1:25:32.839 a hit. It's amazing, and you can't, like that would 1:25:33.000 --> 1:25:36.000 be unheard of. You can't work thirteen records at radio, 1:25:36.040 --> 1:25:38.960 you can't. That would never exist in the world before 1:25:39.080 --> 1:25:39.839 only streaming. 1:25:40.280 --> 1:25:44.000 Since like of course she had, she's she's had, you know, 1:25:44.280 --> 1:25:47.040 shout out to her. She she got pregnant right before 1:25:47.040 --> 1:25:49.000 I think the tour with Bruno WATSH was gonna happen. 1:25:50.439 --> 1:25:52.920 But she's put out some really great singles, like there's 1:25:52.960 --> 1:25:56.320 a fucking banger bro like thep in her verse with 1:25:56.640 --> 1:26:00.720 Gloilla a moment and your fans, Kelly I was one 1:26:00.760 --> 1:26:03.120 of the best bass as long as she keeps having 1:26:03.120 --> 1:26:07.160 these incredible moments, like the album I'm sure is being 1:26:07.200 --> 1:26:11.160 worked on, but she's got a song on OFF. I 1:26:11.280 --> 1:26:14.519 was with her on OFFSET super Bowl, uh and Offset 1:26:14.520 --> 1:26:16.559 play me his album and she has a song on 1:26:16.640 --> 1:26:20.639 Offset solo album that she's fucking snapping on here. 1:26:20.920 --> 1:26:25.040 This ship is crazy, Oh my god. 1:26:25.400 --> 1:26:27.320 And you know what the the one thing with Cardi 1:26:27.479 --> 1:26:30.120 is like I'm not sure like how much stuff she's 1:26:30.120 --> 1:26:31.960 writing not right and getting help with. But I'll be 1:26:32.040 --> 1:26:34.280 damn man. I fucking love listening to Cardi b bro, 1:26:34.760 --> 1:26:36.480 Like you know, like I said, pause. 1:26:36.680 --> 1:26:39.599 She has She's delivering one of the best deliveries. Oh 1:26:39.720 --> 1:26:44.559 my Ever, how charismatic she is on records is incredible. Uh, 1:26:44.720 --> 1:26:47.360 since we're just two straight white males talking about women 1:26:47.439 --> 1:26:51.040 hip hop. I don't know if you saw today Taylor Swift, 1:26:51.080 --> 1:26:51.599 Ice Spice. 1:26:51.800 --> 1:26:53.960 I saw that. We talked about it on my radio show. 1:26:54.680 --> 1:26:59.840 I said this, Are you ready? I'm not, are you 1:27:00.080 --> 1:27:02.960 He is a wild question for that, So I mean 1:27:03.040 --> 1:27:06.280 shout out to Ice Spice. I do think that I 1:27:06.320 --> 1:27:08.840 think I might have saw you guys had a conversation 1:27:08.880 --> 1:27:11.000 about Ice Spice on your show recently. 1:27:10.680 --> 1:27:13.040 Right that tied into the Cardi response that. 1:27:13.200 --> 1:27:15.040 Okay, yeah, yeah, So I saw you guys talking about 1:27:15.040 --> 1:27:19.240 Ice Spice, and I feel like she has star quality. 1:27:20.000 --> 1:27:24.400 Definitely does, and her she could rap good enough. 1:27:25.200 --> 1:27:28.320 Yeah, for sure she does. She does caption rap. That's 1:27:28.360 --> 1:27:31.960 super important. Yeah, I just think that for sure, caption 1:27:32.120 --> 1:27:32.439 rap is. 1:27:32.479 --> 1:27:34.800 I mean, probably Drake's the god of caption rap, you know, 1:27:35.000 --> 1:27:37.200 but Drake like raps raps and does that for sure. 1:27:37.240 --> 1:27:39.519 For sure, Drake's one of the grace of all time. 1:27:39.600 --> 1:27:41.680 I'm always on Drake's ast. Spend my fucking money, bro. 1:27:43.120 --> 1:27:44.400 But no, Ice Spice. 1:27:45.200 --> 1:27:48.240 It's just I don't I don't know if I've heard. 1:27:48.560 --> 1:27:50.240 I haven't heard the record yet where I'm like, oh, 1:27:50.240 --> 1:27:53.000 she's gonna be here for a while. She's here right now. 1:27:53.120 --> 1:27:54.960 She's lit. Like I think her getting on that Pink 1:27:55.000 --> 1:27:59.040 Panthers record is because that's I think the most certain 1:27:59.040 --> 1:28:00.400 point time is the number one song world. 1:28:00.520 --> 1:28:02.639 But to me, that showed that she may be around 1:28:02.680 --> 1:28:05.080 because Pink Panther's being one of the up and coming 1:28:05.120 --> 1:28:07.679 younger artists. I love that they got together this Taylor 1:28:07.680 --> 1:28:12.439 Swift thing is scares me. Why you're not skipping steps 1:28:12.479 --> 1:28:18.320 per se, You're you're just going You're chasing the bigger look. 1:28:18.800 --> 1:28:21.200 Whereas the Pink panther shit. We know that both two 1:28:21.560 --> 1:28:24.679 emerging artists. It makes so much sense. The record is fire, 1:28:24.920 --> 1:28:27.200 the videos fire like it made perfect sense. 1:28:27.320 --> 1:28:33.599 You see Taylor Swift came, that's let's get her on something. 1:28:33.760 --> 1:28:36.600 And even like with Nikki that that made sense to 1:28:36.640 --> 1:28:39.559 me too, like both New York, she's a fan like that. 1:28:39.760 --> 1:28:41.840 All that made sense for sure. This and this is 1:28:41.880 --> 1:28:45.080 not a judge on Taylor Swift. It could be any 1:28:45.240 --> 1:28:48.200 huge pop star that's nowhere near the age range of 1:28:48.280 --> 1:28:52.680 Ice Spice. I'd be like, this is weird. You may 1:28:52.720 --> 1:28:55.920 be going too fast. You're going a little too fast. 1:28:56.120 --> 1:28:57.360 I mean, you're not gonna say no. 1:28:57.520 --> 1:28:59.360 Of course, if you're Ice Spice, you're not gonna be 1:28:59.400 --> 1:29:02.960 like Taylor Swift called and she wants to use you 1:29:03.000 --> 1:29:03.839 as the cool. 1:29:04.080 --> 1:29:07.120 Hit part of her next song, you know. And and 1:29:07.160 --> 1:29:09.080 that's where these conversations are weird too, because when we 1:29:09.080 --> 1:29:12.720 talked about the Cardi record with Dirk and Kanye, I 1:29:12.760 --> 1:29:14.639 was like, you're not gonna say no to a Dirk 1:29:14.680 --> 1:29:17.200 and Kanye verse on this record. 1:29:17.479 --> 1:29:20.479 But what killed that record? Durk and Kanye, Yeah, yeah, 1:29:20.520 --> 1:29:22.960 I agree. If that record would have been just Carty 1:29:23.000 --> 1:29:25.280 went crazy, if it would have just been her for 1:29:25.320 --> 1:29:28.240 two verses, it probably would have. And by the way, 1:29:28.360 --> 1:29:30.280 also shout out to the Atlantic team. They took that 1:29:30.360 --> 1:29:32.240 record number one at Rhythm and Urban. 1:29:32.680 --> 1:29:36.880 But that song was number one, yeah at radio, but. 1:29:37.120 --> 1:29:40.600 It wasn't the song that like, you know, it was 1:29:40.680 --> 1:29:43.000 adding things know number one and not work at all? 1:29:43.360 --> 1:29:46.280 What at radio? Yes, yes, yeah, I think out of 1:29:46.280 --> 1:29:47.920 all the singles she's been dropping, that was the one 1:29:47.920 --> 1:29:49.519 where you were like, she. 1:29:49.640 --> 1:29:52.479 Put that snippet up of her sitting on that roof 1:29:52.560 --> 1:29:53.639 in the robe with her. 1:29:53.600 --> 1:29:55.839 Verse she killed it. But you're right, Burk and Kanye. 1:29:55.920 --> 1:29:58.240 I saw that. I said, oh, Cardi B's back. Then 1:29:58.280 --> 1:29:59.639 I heard the song and I was like, oh Cardi 1:29:59.680 --> 1:30:02.479 went and then Cardi went crazy. And not to say 1:30:02.520 --> 1:30:04.960 Dirk and Kanye were bad on it, it just it 1:30:05.000 --> 1:30:06.160 was weird. It just ruined us all. 1:30:06.200 --> 1:30:08.960 Do you listen to a lot of little Dirk No, okay, I. 1:30:09.680 --> 1:30:11.760 It's just not my type of shit. I wish I 1:30:11.760 --> 1:30:13.800 had a better response than these types of things because 1:30:13.840 --> 1:30:15.280 I respect Dirk me too. 1:30:15.720 --> 1:30:17.000 I feel like we've seen him I kind of grow 1:30:17.080 --> 1:30:19.639 up in front of our eyes. I like you, you know. 1:30:19.600 --> 1:30:21.519 Back when we talk about like Sycamore, when Scamore was 1:30:21.560 --> 1:30:23.799 doing his mixtapes, like I love Dirk at that time. 1:30:24.720 --> 1:30:27.200 It's it's just it wasn't something for me to begin with. 1:30:27.360 --> 1:30:29.360 So I'm not hating by any degrees. It's just not 1:30:29.640 --> 1:30:30.360 my shit. 1:30:30.840 --> 1:30:33.160 Yeah, I'm very much in the same boat with you. 1:30:33.320 --> 1:30:36.799 I respect Dirk. I got there's records I really enjoy. 1:30:37.040 --> 1:30:41.080 There's records I really like hell tracks and with hell 1:30:41.160 --> 1:30:43.439 Cats and track Hawks, it's fucking I play that ship 1:30:43.520 --> 1:30:44.760 every time I DJ's. 1:30:44.920 --> 1:30:48.720 He's extremely talented, deserves all the success like he is. 1:30:48.800 --> 1:30:50.479 He is one of those I fuck with him in 1:30:50.479 --> 1:30:53.240 that regard. It's just not something that I'm gonna stop. 1:30:53.640 --> 1:30:54.160 Just my taste. 1:30:54.160 --> 1:30:55.360 What about Little Baby. 1:30:56.320 --> 1:31:01.320 Baby's another one that I prefer them on features love 1:31:01.360 --> 1:31:04.439 Little Baby Man. No, They're great. I'm just a baby 1:31:04.479 --> 1:31:07.200 can rap though of course I'm Dirk can too. I'm 1:31:07.240 --> 1:31:08.840 not saying they can't. It's just not my go to. 1:31:08.920 --> 1:31:12.120 No, Dirk can rap, but Baby can rap. Like I 1:31:12.120 --> 1:31:14.920 feel like I've heard Baby like run circles around motherfuckers 1:31:14.960 --> 1:31:17.920 on records. I'm just like a baby for me. 1:31:17.960 --> 1:31:20.360 And again I'm not and that talent record. I'm not 1:31:20.400 --> 1:31:23.320 somebody like when he goes into the studio, I'm not 1:31:23.439 --> 1:31:25.240 someone he would think of. I'm not saying personally for 1:31:25.520 --> 1:31:28.640 my type of consumer. I like Baby and Dirk on 1:31:28.760 --> 1:31:31.080 features like when they just get one verse to shine. 1:31:31.280 --> 1:31:33.439 I think they do it better than any of new 1:31:33.520 --> 1:31:36.680 rappers out, Like they make the record there and that's it. 1:31:36.800 --> 1:31:39.720 I mean, dude, it's a talent, but record the pous 1:31:39.720 --> 1:31:42.360 schisty record is like you only play you play the 1:31:42.600 --> 1:31:44.840 you're playing it for the Dirk verse because that's the 1:31:44.840 --> 1:31:46.120 part people sing along too. 1:31:47.040 --> 1:31:49.479 And Dirk is able to rap and do like certain 1:31:49.520 --> 1:31:52.120 tricks and stuff on songs. By tricks, I mean like 1:31:52.160 --> 1:31:55.840 parts that everyone's gonna sing along to, like don't play 1:31:55.840 --> 1:31:57.439 a little Boy in the club. We do list like 1:31:57.439 --> 1:32:00.120 that that no one knows the talent that that in 1:32:00.200 --> 1:32:02.920 line takes. Fuck the content of just the melody like 1:32:03.280 --> 1:32:05.240 to stop everyone and what we're gonna sing along to. 1:32:05.640 --> 1:32:07.240 Dirk has that and he can rap and he can 1:32:07.240 --> 1:32:10.519 make music. I'm just not running. I just maybe it's 1:32:10.520 --> 1:32:13.400 my age. Maybe it's my region, I just not my ship. 1:32:13.520 --> 1:32:16.679 Did you have any time to see his sit down 1:32:16.720 --> 1:32:18.599 with academic shait No, I haven't. 1:32:18.680 --> 1:32:22.240 I saw the one clip of the clips. What was 1:32:22.280 --> 1:32:23.960 the clip about the gun and thing? I think that 1:32:24.000 --> 1:32:24.720 was the only thing I saw. 1:32:25.000 --> 1:32:28.440 You and academic. Still, Uh, you guys have a pretty Uh. 1:32:28.800 --> 1:32:30.960 You guys have a conflict. I wouldn't say so, well, 1:32:30.960 --> 1:32:34.479 I think he doesn't like you much. What but you 1:32:34.520 --> 1:32:36.280 know what, but it's crazy that he doesn't like you 1:32:36.360 --> 1:32:37.599 much and you guys have kind of had this back 1:32:37.640 --> 1:32:40.040 and forth for years. Ever since has every day struggle 1:32:40.120 --> 1:32:40.280 was on? 1:32:40.360 --> 1:32:42.920 Right? I don't know if it's been a back and forth. 1:32:43.240 --> 1:32:47.760 I've certainly said things, but not anything that. But I 1:32:47.840 --> 1:32:49.800 also when you were discussing. 1:32:49.320 --> 1:32:51.840 The list, you said nice things. 1:32:52.520 --> 1:32:58.200 He and that's where the internet will well, they'll see 1:32:58.200 --> 1:33:00.960 this clip and be like, w you frack. No, No, 1:33:01.000 --> 1:33:03.000 I'm an objective human being, like I know how there's 1:33:03.080 --> 1:33:06.280 nuanced or objectiveness to every situation. Yeah, and we're also 1:33:06.439 --> 1:33:09.599 on the internet, so like, yes, if we're talking about 1:33:09.600 --> 1:33:12.840 a list, I believe academics should be on that. If 1:33:13.200 --> 1:33:16.080 something is in person, I'm not gonna talk about the 1:33:16.080 --> 1:33:21.000 lists right in terms of why these are drastically different things. 1:33:21.000 --> 1:33:22.880 I can give people their credit where it's due, for sure. 1:33:23.040 --> 1:33:24.960 I was gonna say in terms of like we kind 1:33:24.960 --> 1:33:26.640 of started this convo talking about hip hop media for 1:33:26.640 --> 1:33:29.240 a sec, but like, how do you kind of see? 1:33:29.840 --> 1:33:32.840 And I'm happy those this is not going to come across. 1:33:32.840 --> 1:33:34.200 I know people are going to think this is a 1:33:34.240 --> 1:33:37.839 sarcastic shot. I'm very happy that he was not harmed 1:33:37.840 --> 1:33:41.519 in that home invasion because that that could have went 1:33:41.560 --> 1:33:45.160 really bad. So I'm this is a real thing. He 1:33:45.280 --> 1:33:48.200 said horrible lies and weird shit about me. I'm very 1:33:48.240 --> 1:33:51.240 happy he was not harming that that home invasion that 1:33:51.240 --> 1:33:55.479 could have got really invasion. From my understanding, recent two 1:33:55.479 --> 1:33:58.160 people tried to break anywe with gun. Yeah, very recently, 1:33:58.400 --> 1:34:00.200 and they were arrested. He could I don't know if 1:34:00.200 --> 1:34:01.080 he was making that up or not. 1:34:01.120 --> 1:34:02.960 But wait, didn't you send him like a Christmas cause 1:34:03.800 --> 1:34:06.760 or didn't you send something to his house where like 1:34:06.800 --> 1:34:12.599 people were like, oh, that's that's bullshit. Yes, okay, that 1:34:12.680 --> 1:34:13.800 was so funny though, like. 1:34:15.200 --> 1:34:17.400 Listen, bit, I have no issue with anybody. I think 1:34:17.439 --> 1:34:18.280 that's funny that. 1:34:18.120 --> 1:34:19.639 That's a that's like a thing. 1:34:19.840 --> 1:34:22.160 Good good, keep keep the narrative going. I think it's 1:34:22.200 --> 1:34:24.880 fucking hilarious. And I do mean this holdheartedly. I know 1:34:24.920 --> 1:34:26.800 his fans are gonna hate this because they want me 1:34:26.920 --> 1:34:28.840 to say something. I know my fans are gonna be like, 1:34:28.960 --> 1:34:31.240 was this some pussy shit? Like the amount of personal 1:34:31.280 --> 1:34:34.160 things said. I'm so glad of what's been going on people. 1:34:34.360 --> 1:34:37.800 He was not harmed in that home invasion because from 1:34:37.800 --> 1:34:40.320 what I read, those guys was ready. 1:34:41.200 --> 1:34:42.200 So was he just not home? 1:34:43.120 --> 1:34:46.320 I don't know the fut something about some girls set 1:34:46.360 --> 1:34:46.720 him up. 1:34:46.960 --> 1:34:48.800 If i'm him, I got a save room at the house. 1:34:49.200 --> 1:34:50.920 I think a girl set him up. But it's not 1:34:50.920 --> 1:34:52.840 my story to tell. I just saw some clips, and 1:34:52.840 --> 1:34:54.679 you know, I stay on Reddit, so I do see 1:34:54.720 --> 1:34:57.960 what other people type. I can't say that they are 1:34:58.000 --> 1:35:00.320 the best source, but yeah, I saw that something happened 1:35:00.320 --> 1:35:02.519 with the girls set them up, and two people were arrested, 1:35:02.560 --> 1:35:05.479 and they had guns and they were somebody was unlocking 1:35:05.479 --> 1:35:09.840 the door at his house and his girl's and listen, 1:35:09.880 --> 1:35:13.200 I don't want to I may disagree with a lot 1:35:13.240 --> 1:35:18.360 of fucking things that that kid stands for. Says whatever, 1:35:18.600 --> 1:35:20.400 I'm so happy he wasn't harmed because this ship, this 1:35:20.439 --> 1:35:22.040 ship is getting insane with the home invasions, and I 1:35:22.080 --> 1:35:23.439 don't want to see anybody just. 1:35:23.400 --> 1:35:26.559 People losing their life in general. That kid, uh. I 1:35:26.560 --> 1:35:28.839 think it was in Texas, that kid who like posted 1:35:28.840 --> 1:35:31.880 the picture in standing in the guy's blood and then 1:35:31.960 --> 1:35:34.160 that same day he got killed. Did you see that? 1:35:34.320 --> 1:35:36.880 No? And even though what he was saying, I think 1:35:36.960 --> 1:35:38.840 is I think A's mom was in there like that 1:35:38.840 --> 1:35:41.680 that ship is like that's that ship is fucked up, bro, 1:35:41.800 --> 1:35:44.400 So that's like I don't Yeah, that's just not funny. 1:35:44.400 --> 1:35:47.800 It's just not cool, Like I feel for bro, Yeah, 1:35:47.880 --> 1:35:50.439 are you like you? Someone say he may deserve it, 1:35:50.439 --> 1:35:52.040 but I don't think someone observes that. 1:35:52.200 --> 1:35:54.120 Like, That's my thing with act is like I think 1:35:54.200 --> 1:35:55.720 when he first came out of the scene, because I 1:35:55.760 --> 1:35:58.080 was not hip to his YouTube shit at all prior, 1:35:58.120 --> 1:35:59.760 I had no idea who he was prior to every 1:35:59.840 --> 1:36:04.000 Day Struggle. So when the Everyday Struggle started to pop, 1:36:04.400 --> 1:36:05.800 I kind of got a kick out of this like 1:36:05.920 --> 1:36:08.960 internet dude who genuinely came off like a fan, who 1:36:09.000 --> 1:36:10.280 was like happy to be there, and a lot of 1:36:10.320 --> 1:36:12.679 these conversations he was having because Joe Budden would be there. 1:36:13.320 --> 1:36:15.719 And that's why I like that conversation with the Migos. 1:36:15.760 --> 1:36:18.360 The bat was so funny because he just was so 1:36:18.560 --> 1:36:21.400 green and like happy to be talking to the Migos. 1:36:21.960 --> 1:36:23.920 And I think there was a moment where he just 1:36:23.960 --> 1:36:28.439 became like big act and it was like at you know, 1:36:28.720 --> 1:36:31.439 Paul's you know what I mean, like his persona of 1:36:31.560 --> 1:36:34.280 like being like this fucking this guy, you know, and 1:36:34.280 --> 1:36:36.800 I'm like sometimes like and I respect dudes, like he's 1:36:36.840 --> 1:36:38.600 a hustler, you know, like I ain't mad at him, like, 1:36:38.680 --> 1:36:41.000 but I also think at certain point in times of 1:36:41.080 --> 1:36:45.439 acts like you kind of don't seem like the greatest dude, 1:36:45.520 --> 1:36:47.280 you know, like I don't. 1:36:47.360 --> 1:36:49.640 I don't know him personally, Yeah, either do I to 1:36:49.680 --> 1:36:53.560 be fairy Like as much as there's been an insane 1:36:53.640 --> 1:36:56.559 narrative that anything in my life has been affected by him, 1:36:56.600 --> 1:37:02.320 which is like absolutely a great regiously false and hilarious, 1:37:02.880 --> 1:37:06.040 I don't. Yeah, it's more power to them. Wasn't like 1:37:06.080 --> 1:37:08.559 keep going, bro, have a blast, Like there's nothing has 1:37:08.600 --> 1:37:09.479 been affected in my life. 1:37:09.520 --> 1:37:12.960 How do you see like the evolution of like the 1:37:13.040 --> 1:37:14.920 space that we're all in right, like you said, we 1:37:14.920 --> 1:37:16.959 were talking aboutarlier about what is hip hop media nowadays? 1:37:16.960 --> 1:37:19.400 Like there's the Twitch guys, there's the kisats, and then 1:37:19.600 --> 1:37:22.759 who's now in Rumble? I think, but it just feels 1:37:22.840 --> 1:37:25.080 like it's like forever an evolving. 1:37:26.120 --> 1:37:26.360 Thing. 1:37:26.520 --> 1:37:27.920 Like how do you feel about where it's going and 1:37:28.320 --> 1:37:28.760 where it's. 1:37:28.880 --> 1:37:31.000 I mean, that's kind of when I asked you that 1:37:31.080 --> 1:37:33.240 question at the beginning of the interview, where hip hop 1:37:33.280 --> 1:37:36.519 media is? That's why that list was so interesting to 1:37:36.600 --> 1:37:39.120 me outside of what everyone else thought. As far as 1:37:39.120 --> 1:37:43.240 the messiness, where is hip hop media going to go? 1:37:43.400 --> 1:37:45.760 Because we see with these live streaming sites, even with 1:37:45.880 --> 1:37:49.120 Rumble and everything, hip hop is not going to get 1:37:49.120 --> 1:37:54.920 it done so itself. Yeah, it's I fear hip hop 1:37:54.960 --> 1:37:59.880 media will get pushed out of this entire world. I 1:38:00.120 --> 1:38:03.320 think it'll hip hop gossip will continue to thrive. Don't 1:38:03.320 --> 1:38:07.040 get me wrong, hip hop media will lose its strength 1:38:07.120 --> 1:38:11.679 unless somebody and I'm not even mad at the people 1:38:11.720 --> 1:38:15.479 that are interviewing these guys, but it's the audience that 1:38:15.520 --> 1:38:18.280 we probably have to blame. Unfortunately. Yeah, myself included I 1:38:18.280 --> 1:38:21.400 click all this relationship hip hop gossip is what's going 1:38:21.479 --> 1:38:23.080 to keep this shit going. I don't know where hip 1:38:23.080 --> 1:38:27.360 hop journalism is really gonna lie in the next ten years, 1:38:27.439 --> 1:38:29.760 especially with the younger kids. And I'm not being the 1:38:29.800 --> 1:38:31.880 old guy saying you young kids don't have it. Their 1:38:31.880 --> 1:38:35.360 worlds are just different and so much of that gaming 1:38:35.880 --> 1:38:38.920 shit and everything that is going to be so profitable 1:38:38.960 --> 1:38:43.360 with live streams and podcasts. I don't really see where 1:38:43.400 --> 1:38:46.519 hip hop journalism really falls. And I also don't see 1:38:46.520 --> 1:38:51.200 these hip hop artists and the younger generation caring to 1:38:51.240 --> 1:38:55.200 do that they don't already. Drink Champs is incredible. I'm 1:38:55.240 --> 1:38:57.519 so happy that Nori is able to talk to not 1:38:57.560 --> 1:39:00.120 only new artists but people from his generation because these 1:39:00.120 --> 1:39:02.960 are great conversations for sure. And those artists also went 1:39:03.200 --> 1:39:06.000 on radio interviews. Press was a part of their fucking life. 1:39:06.120 --> 1:39:08.479 It's not weird to them, it's it's part of their 1:39:08.560 --> 1:39:11.400 their being, right. These young kids don't have to go 1:39:11.479 --> 1:39:11.720 do that. 1:39:11.960 --> 1:39:13.639 They do so that's. 1:39:13.439 --> 1:39:17.040 Not part of their DNA, which leaves the media people 1:39:17.760 --> 1:39:19.600 having to find other ways to do it, whether that 1:39:19.640 --> 1:39:22.040 be gaming, whether that be other interests, whether that be comedians, 1:39:22.120 --> 1:39:24.559 let's interview gang members exactly. 1:39:24.600 --> 1:39:26.720 They have to I spent an hour on y Shit 1:39:26.840 --> 1:39:29.840 last night. I watched a brick Baby and Crip mac 1:39:29.880 --> 1:39:32.640 On No Jumper say fucking on on neighborhood, like for 1:39:32.680 --> 1:39:35.560 two hours straight. It was the out Dude. It was 1:39:35.600 --> 1:39:40.200 the most entertaining YouTube shit I've watched in a long time. 1:39:40.320 --> 1:39:42.519 And I'm saying, what's going to be more popular within 1:39:42.600 --> 1:39:46.920 hip hop journalism or media If a rapper does an 1:39:46.920 --> 1:39:50.360 interview or someone does a whole gang breakdown of the 1:39:50.400 --> 1:39:52.880 gang that rapper came from. What's gonna get more clicks? 1:39:52.960 --> 1:39:55.400 Oh the gang video? Because we've seen it with like 1:39:55.479 --> 1:39:58.080 swamp stories and like these these which, by. 1:39:58.000 --> 1:40:00.559 The way, watch those are all great plass forms. They 1:40:00.560 --> 1:40:01.439 do real research. 1:40:01.560 --> 1:40:05.040 Like, dude, I remember I had to interview Uh yeah, 1:40:05.040 --> 1:40:07.200 where does that leave hip Where is hip hop drunk? 1:40:07.479 --> 1:40:09.479 At some point, Elliott Wilson is going to want to 1:40:09.520 --> 1:40:11.599 retire and go live with his wife. And he's like 1:40:11.640 --> 1:40:14.080 the last guy that you're like, oh, that person did 1:40:14.120 --> 1:40:15.200 a raparate on our interview. 1:40:15.720 --> 1:40:18.400 Oh, And I know for a f there's there's younger 1:40:18.479 --> 1:40:20.200 kids out here that want to do that. I just 1:40:20.280 --> 1:40:21.840 don't know if the artists are going to want to. 1:40:21.760 --> 1:40:24.880 Do that, And I don't know if Elliott gives a 1:40:24.920 --> 1:40:29.280 fuck to do every hot up and coming artist. 1:40:29.600 --> 1:40:32.200 They're very selective, of course, not why would yeah, of course. 1:40:32.120 --> 1:40:34.360 He'll do NBA Young Boy. It's NBA Young Boy, you know, 1:40:34.479 --> 1:40:37.200 like you know, so yeah. So you just kind of 1:40:37.200 --> 1:40:43.000 see it evolving into like the journalistic integrity continuing to 1:40:43.000 --> 1:40:43.559 be diminished. 1:40:43.600 --> 1:40:45.200 But that's not because it's already. 1:40:44.960 --> 1:40:45.360 Kind of there. 1:40:45.520 --> 1:40:48.080 That's not a slight hip hop or the culture. I mean, look, 1:40:48.720 --> 1:40:54.479 let's let's look at the number one news outlets GMZ, CNN, 1:40:54.600 --> 1:40:57.280 Fox News. There's no journalism integrity there either, So why 1:40:57.280 --> 1:40:59.240 would I think hip hop would follow suit? It's the 1:40:59.280 --> 1:41:02.080 worst like America does not follow suit on journalism that 1:41:02.160 --> 1:41:04.519 has changed. That's become a circus that's about clicks, that's 1:41:04.520 --> 1:41:07.320 about SOLATIONI shit, of course hip hop is gonna end 1:41:07.400 --> 1:41:10.559 up the world is that way. There's not one real 1:41:10.720 --> 1:41:16.200 journalism platform. I mean, you could find, depending on your 1:41:16.200 --> 1:41:19.240 political views, certain ones, but I don't know if there's 1:41:19.280 --> 1:41:23.559 like objective journalism happening in the world period period. 1:41:23.640 --> 1:41:26.320 So to have that everybody has their angle and everyone 1:41:26.400 --> 1:41:30.040 has their Yes, you're right, so hip hop media and 1:41:30.080 --> 1:41:33.240 then these artists don't playlist is what I need. 1:41:33.240 --> 1:41:33.560 I don't know. 1:41:33.560 --> 1:41:35.599 If I need to go, I'll go do Yeah, I'll 1:41:35.600 --> 1:41:36.799 go do the Rap Caviar podcast. 1:41:36.800 --> 1:41:39.200 And on top of that, if I got beef for 1:41:39.200 --> 1:41:40.640 the artist, and when I have a selationi's clip. I 1:41:40.680 --> 1:41:43.479 have my own fucking Instagram. I also can set up 1:41:43.479 --> 1:41:45.200 a microphone. Why do I need y'all? 1:41:46.320 --> 1:41:49.479 I remember thinking that. I was like, man, I was 1:41:49.479 --> 1:41:51.640 just talking with one of my friends about this the 1:41:51.680 --> 1:41:54.240 other day. I was like, if you're an artist in 1:41:54.280 --> 1:41:59.519 today's you know, landscape, a lot of these guys, an 1:41:59.600 --> 1:42:04.639 interview can only hurt you, right, yes, Like they don't 1:42:04.720 --> 1:42:08.840 like this will probably hurt me like nothing news from 1:42:08.880 --> 1:42:13.519 me sitting down with whoever it is. It's going to 1:42:13.600 --> 1:42:16.760 necessarily move the needle for me, But it can hurt me. 1:42:17.040 --> 1:42:17.880 Yeah, you know. 1:42:18.000 --> 1:42:20.559 So it's like, why even do it? Like if it's 1:42:20.640 --> 1:42:25.280 just the really they only like the downside is very 1:42:25.400 --> 1:42:28.240 much there and the upside is not very measurable. 1:42:28.360 --> 1:42:31.960 Like and uh, I'm stealing this, I think from Steve 1:42:31.960 --> 1:42:36.759 Styles's book. But you you'll know how popular an artist 1:42:36.920 --> 1:42:40.760 is now only based by the tickets that they sell. 1:42:40.840 --> 1:42:42.280 If you want to know how bigger artist is, go 1:42:42.400 --> 1:42:47.000 to the show. So I relate that a lot to podcasting, 1:42:47.120 --> 1:42:49.720 not so much with the live show thing, but how 1:42:49.800 --> 1:42:53.040 much views are you getting without a guest? Right, And 1:42:53.080 --> 1:42:55.600 that's where the media shit is moving. You have to 1:42:55.600 --> 1:42:58.800 be a personality so much that you will move the 1:42:58.840 --> 1:43:02.519 needle weekly by yourself or with your co host whatever. 1:43:02.800 --> 1:43:05.040 And those are moments when you have an artist to 1:43:05.040 --> 1:43:07.080 have a real interview, and I think journalism can happen 1:43:07.160 --> 1:43:09.640 in that regard. I think, you know, Maul and I 1:43:09.640 --> 1:43:12.919 haven't had like the crazy salacious shit, but the interviews 1:43:12.960 --> 1:43:14.719 we have done, whether it be RUSS or DJ drama, 1:43:14.760 --> 1:43:15.800 like I think we had. 1:43:15.840 --> 1:43:16.760 Did you guys have belly on? 1:43:17.360 --> 1:43:19.920 We did we cook lampshouts at belly Okay, I mean 1:43:19.920 --> 1:43:21.479 we had a nice conversation, but I wouldn't say it 1:43:21.479 --> 1:43:22.280 was an interview per se. 1:43:22.320 --> 1:43:24.000 No, But you guys, I do feel like you're right. 1:43:24.000 --> 1:43:25.600 Like when I see you guys doing an interview, I'm like, 1:43:25.600 --> 1:43:27.840 oh shit, Like, I know, you guys really fuck with 1:43:27.840 --> 1:43:28.200 the artist. 1:43:28.479 --> 1:43:32.320 Yeah, And even if we don't, it's kind of has 1:43:32.320 --> 1:43:36.240 to be a reason outside of just to talk, like, oh, 1:43:36.240 --> 1:43:40.320 they're doing the podcast run. And that's where I see 1:43:40.320 --> 1:43:42.759 the value with hip hop media. Whether you're the media 1:43:42.800 --> 1:43:45.599 person or the artist. What is actually gonna make sense 1:43:45.640 --> 1:43:48.080 and move the needle for both of you? And I 1:43:48.080 --> 1:43:50.200 don't know where that's gonna happen in hip hop journalism 1:43:50.280 --> 1:43:53.720 unless all the hip hop media personalities can keep an 1:43:53.760 --> 1:43:57.000 audience without an artist, that gives an artist and incentive 1:43:57.040 --> 1:43:59.720 to go on there. If I'm an artist and you 1:43:59.760 --> 1:44:02.479 can't do that, I'm bringing my audience to you. I'll 1:44:02.479 --> 1:44:04.280 just set up a fucking microphone and go on ig love. 1:44:04.640 --> 1:44:07.679 That's what's like. I think for me, I've been like, Okay, 1:44:08.040 --> 1:44:10.599 well one, I'm syndicated on the radio all over the country. 1:44:10.880 --> 1:44:12.400 But you actually do And why I said you belong 1:44:12.439 --> 1:44:14.919 on that list is you actually do the journalism interviews 1:44:15.200 --> 1:44:16.000 try any time. 1:44:15.880 --> 1:44:18.160 As a I just had a young nudie interview yesterday 1:44:18.160 --> 1:44:19.719 where we just got high the whole time and talked 1:44:19.720 --> 1:44:22.200 about fucking Pinky, you know, the porn chick from back 1:44:22.200 --> 1:44:22.760 in the day, you know. 1:44:22.920 --> 1:44:26.280 But that separated you in this space. I feel like 1:44:26.680 --> 1:44:30.360 because you have real interviews and you're not, You're way 1:44:30.360 --> 1:44:32.439 more consistent than Elliot because Elliott works on a different 1:44:32.439 --> 1:44:32.920 for sure. 1:44:32.840 --> 1:44:34.680 Time, and like I like, I'll just like if I 1:44:34.800 --> 1:44:36.200 like somebody. I'm like, yeah, I want to talk like 1:44:36.240 --> 1:44:37.960 I know it's not gonna do numbers, but I want 1:44:37.960 --> 1:44:40.559 to interview this person, you know, like. 1:44:41.080 --> 1:44:44.120 And that's valuable. I just do its gonna. 1:44:44.280 --> 1:44:46.000 I want to interview Big X the Plug so bad. 1:44:46.040 --> 1:44:48.280 If you listen to this guy, he's from Dallas. He's 1:44:48.280 --> 1:44:51.240 so fucking hard bro DM and his guy all the time, Like, Bro, 1:44:51.280 --> 1:44:52.920 when the fuck y'all come in to La, Big X 1:44:52.920 --> 1:44:55.000 the Plug, he's on you and I masters. So he's 1:44:55.000 --> 1:44:58.479 a stock guy, but he's hard bro. He's got a 1:44:58.479 --> 1:45:00.439 song called Texas, but he's got a big a song 1:45:00.479 --> 1:45:05.439 called Big Stepper. He's got bruh, he's fuck big extra 1:45:05.479 --> 1:45:07.120 put but see to me, that's kind of how I 1:45:07.120 --> 1:45:09.920 got involved in this whole shit. Was like I was 1:45:10.720 --> 1:45:13.759 just a hip hop head and I started doing radio 1:45:13.840 --> 1:45:15.920 because I couldn't wrap or make beats. 1:45:15.640 --> 1:45:17.200 Or did you try to rap? 1:45:17.560 --> 1:45:19.880 I wrote raps. I never tried, like I never did 1:45:20.040 --> 1:45:22.280 trust you if you didn't try, No, I tried, Okay, 1:45:22.360 --> 1:45:24.240 I don't trust I didn't say I tried. I wrote 1:45:24.240 --> 1:45:26.240 stuff like i'd be in school writing raps. I never 1:45:26.320 --> 1:45:29.240 like performed or recorded a verse or anything. 1:45:29.320 --> 1:45:31.120 I just have a weird thing. I don't trust anyone 1:45:31.160 --> 1:45:32.960 that didn't at least try no. 1:45:32.920 --> 1:45:34.880 I wrote for sure, I would just like write hell 1:45:34.920 --> 1:45:38.519 of scribbles and shit. But you know, for me, it's 1:45:38.560 --> 1:45:41.640 almost like you said, it's like, not only am I 1:45:41.680 --> 1:45:44.080 doing the YouTube and the and that, but I'm also 1:45:44.080 --> 1:45:46.880 on the radio. So I'm like, if I play someone's 1:45:46.920 --> 1:45:50.080 song once, it's twenty five spins. Yeah, and I'm on 1:45:50.120 --> 1:45:53.120 Monday through Friday. So it's like I'm like I kind 1:45:53.120 --> 1:45:55.960 of have that advantage going for me. But I definitely, like, 1:45:56.080 --> 1:45:58.439 you know, I moved into this new new compound, so 1:45:58.479 --> 1:46:00.799 we're gonna start rolling out like just diff for non 1:46:01.439 --> 1:46:04.519 interview types of content because like you said, how long 1:46:04.600 --> 1:46:05.320 is that gonna last? 1:46:05.479 --> 1:46:06.639 Yeah, you know what I mean. 1:46:06.960 --> 1:46:09.160 It's like it's it's really like. 1:46:09.400 --> 1:46:11.960 But again, at least you have the luxury of having 1:46:12.000 --> 1:46:15.519 a staple in the podcast culture that we know we're 1:46:15.520 --> 1:46:18.360 gonna get a real interview from someone, where there is 1:46:18.400 --> 1:46:21.679 a lot of guest based pods that just it's bullshit 1:46:21.760 --> 1:46:24.000 and they rely on a guest every single time. You 1:46:24.080 --> 1:46:26.880 and Elliott at least we know, like, yeah, I guess 1:46:26.880 --> 1:46:29.800 it'll be a form interview. I mean, I'm not sure 1:46:29.840 --> 1:46:33.880 this one was, but I'm not a rapper. Oh my fault. 1:46:34.080 --> 1:46:38.240 But yeah, you know, like even when the GiB shit 1:46:38.360 --> 1:46:42.360 was happening, like yeah, when he popped up with you, 1:46:42.960 --> 1:46:45.280 I'm not sure which gibs when I'm in the timeline here, yeah, 1:46:45.280 --> 1:46:47.920 which I was like, at least I know this is 1:46:47.920 --> 1:46:49.799 gonna be a real interview, gonna be a real conversation 1:46:49.880 --> 1:46:53.360 because keV gets respect from every rapper. I know they'll 1:46:53.360 --> 1:46:55.880 have a real conversation. It'll go somewhere. Kev's gonna ask 1:46:55.920 --> 1:46:59.920 real questions that's so lost in the guest base pod 1:47:00.040 --> 1:47:02.000 cast worlds. Yeah, and that's why I don't think it's 1:47:02.000 --> 1:47:03.679 gonna Yeah, the front thing was like for like. 1:47:03.560 --> 1:47:06.559 For the friend's one of my best friends, so you know, 1:47:06.640 --> 1:47:09.840 for me, when he beefs with the world, it complicates 1:47:09.920 --> 1:47:15.439 my relationship with the world. God bless them. 1:47:15.000 --> 1:47:15.439 Love for you. 1:47:15.520 --> 1:47:17.720 But I'm the guy who gets the call, like, Yo, 1:47:17.760 --> 1:47:20.800 what's fucking Stot just called me three days ago and 1:47:20.920 --> 1:47:23.599 was like, what is this spready Gibbs I'm seeing on Twitter? 1:47:23.600 --> 1:47:28.760 And I'm like, Rah, I only want to get into it, man, 1:47:28.920 --> 1:47:30.160 I'm too close to the situation. 1:47:30.360 --> 1:47:31.640 Got to be the name of the next album, right. 1:47:32.320 --> 1:47:36.200 I love the fact that he leaned into it because 1:47:36.240 --> 1:47:38.439 he's but he's the best of the internet. He's the best. 1:47:38.439 --> 1:47:39.960 I knew he would do that. He had to lean 1:47:40.000 --> 1:47:43.000 into it, man, and like, you know, yeah, but somebody 1:47:43.040 --> 1:47:45.600 said that he was spreading his stink star and he 1:47:45.640 --> 1:47:49.840 replied with yeah, you got big titties. Like that's the 1:47:49.920 --> 1:47:52.840 only way you can reply to. Great response. That's a 1:47:52.840 --> 1:47:55.760 perfect Twitter response. She said something hilarious and Sodi, Yeah. 1:47:55.840 --> 1:47:57.519 And my other thing too, is I try not to 1:47:58.320 --> 1:47:59.920 you know, I try not to dive into like the 1:48:00.080 --> 1:48:04.280 low hanging fruit like beef shit, like or like, you. 1:48:04.240 --> 1:48:05.559 Know, I just some shit. 1:48:05.640 --> 1:48:08.920 I'm like, I'd rather I would just rather not intentionally 1:48:09.000 --> 1:48:12.280 add to certain shit. Now I might end up adding 1:48:12.320 --> 1:48:14.720 to certain shit, but it ain't you know, some of 1:48:14.760 --> 1:48:17.439 these platforms and like I watch them, you know, like 1:48:17.479 --> 1:48:20.240 I got love for lad and all those guys. 1:48:20.280 --> 1:48:21.800 I watch flat shit all the time. 1:48:22.320 --> 1:48:24.720 But it's just like, I don't know, for me, it's 1:48:24.760 --> 1:48:27.880 like at the moment it's working. But you're right, it's 1:48:27.880 --> 1:48:30.400 like the guest based shit is like at what at 1:48:30.400 --> 1:48:33.800 a certain point in time, like it's definitely got to 1:48:33.840 --> 1:48:35.920 evolve into something else, and you guys have done such 1:48:35.920 --> 1:48:38.960 a great job of doing that because people are there 1:48:39.000 --> 1:48:41.600 for you guys. And if you guys haven't have a guest, 1:48:41.960 --> 1:48:44.720 fucking sweet, it's gonna be a great interview because you 1:48:44.720 --> 1:48:46.519 guys do great, great conversations. 1:48:47.240 --> 1:48:48.680 If you add Vlad on, what will be the first 1:48:48.760 --> 1:48:53.360 question you would ask them? Fuck? Man, I don't know. 1:48:53.560 --> 1:48:55.639 I've asked Flad to come on the podcast because he'll 1:48:55.680 --> 1:48:59.280 text me sometimes or call me sometimes. And he said 1:48:59.280 --> 1:49:03.200 I didn't have enough yours for you said it wasn't popping, 1:49:03.600 --> 1:49:05.800 So I look, I think I got the text here, 1:49:06.479 --> 1:49:09.840 but I mean, but I just I guess, I mean, 1:49:09.960 --> 1:49:12.639 and I respect Hey, Hey, also I wasn't. I didn't 1:49:12.640 --> 1:49:15.280 take that ship personally. I wouldn't take that person I 1:49:15.320 --> 1:49:17.880 was like, hey, bro, I get it all good, like 1:49:18.320 --> 1:49:20.800 hopefully one day, you know, like he had hit me 1:49:20.840 --> 1:49:24.880 for a contact on cannabis. Oh you know what it was? 1:49:25.120 --> 1:49:26.840 He called me because he was like, I didn't want 1:49:26.840 --> 1:49:28.479 to send this over text. He was like, but you know, 1:49:28.520 --> 1:49:30.479 I'm looking at your numbers and like you know, and 1:49:30.520 --> 1:49:33.040 I'm like, dude, you're fucking rich, so for you to 1:49:33.080 --> 1:49:35.240 like take time away from your family, take time away 1:49:35.240 --> 1:49:37.800 from your business. I get it, bro all good. I 1:49:37.840 --> 1:49:38.280 didn't take it. 1:49:38.280 --> 1:49:40.439 If Flat as rich, he's never told us that. He 1:49:40.479 --> 1:49:42.000 tells us that a lot. I had no idea. 1:49:42.720 --> 1:49:44.120 I mean, have you seen the way he dresses? 1:49:44.520 --> 1:49:47.160 No he's not on camera? Well no, sometimes when he is. 1:49:47.360 --> 1:49:50.600 It's like fucking Louis every You know how they say 1:49:50.760 --> 1:49:53.000 you can either wear the designer or let the designer 1:49:53.000 --> 1:49:53.439 wear you. 1:49:54.200 --> 1:49:57.080 I would say, the designers wearing vlat He walks into 1:49:57.160 --> 1:49:59.360 sacks and just give me the manneican, give me the. 1:49:59.280 --> 1:50:02.080 Whole shit, me the glasses, give me the fucking shorts, 1:50:02.080 --> 1:50:05.320 give me the shoes, give me the socks. You know. 1:50:06.640 --> 1:50:09.360 Shots of Flat by the way, raphenomenon was it the 1:50:09.360 --> 1:50:11.080 first one of this? It was a rap phenomenon too, 1:50:11.080 --> 1:50:13.160 that he was the Tupac one Tubac one? 1:50:14.080 --> 1:50:14.479 Was that the one? 1:50:14.520 --> 1:50:15.000 Green Lander? 1:50:15.040 --> 1:50:17.200 I believe so him and him and Green Lancer. 1:50:17.040 --> 1:50:18.120 Got green Lander's a goat. 1:50:18.160 --> 1:50:22.000 Hu Absolutely yeah, as Green should do more podcasting. 1:50:22.000 --> 1:50:23.519 I feel like me and him were just together in 1:50:23.560 --> 1:50:25.920 Vegas and he has a lot of stories he probably 1:50:25.920 --> 1:50:26.439 just can't tell. 1:50:26.800 --> 1:50:29.479 That's that's what it is. Green Green Lave had great 1:50:29.520 --> 1:50:31.320 conversations where I'm like, this would be the greatest. 1:50:31.560 --> 1:50:38.320 He's got tons of those, and I just, man, I 1:50:38.400 --> 1:50:41.000 just want to know, like, you know, the Eminem shit, 1:50:41.360 --> 1:50:42.680 what happened with the show. I mean, we know what 1:50:42.720 --> 1:50:44.679 happened with the Shady ship with like the Jada kiss 1:50:44.800 --> 1:50:48.160 g Unit shit or whatever. Yea, but this guy was 1:50:48.320 --> 1:50:51.960 jay Z's DJ, Eminem's DJ, and he's NAS's DJ. There's 1:50:52.000 --> 1:50:55.680 no way a goat he doesn't have some wild But 1:50:56.120 --> 1:50:59.280 if you know Green, which you know him, there's just 1:50:59.400 --> 1:51:01.160 I don't think there's a chance in hell he'll ever, 1:51:01.520 --> 1:51:03.439 like really dive into a lot of that shit. He 1:51:03.520 --> 1:51:05.320 told me though, a couple of weeks ago Befour twenty 1:51:05.320 --> 1:51:07.160 because we were doing harding in Vegas together and he 1:51:07.240 --> 1:51:10.240 was like, I'm going to do your podcast when I 1:51:10.280 --> 1:51:11.360 have something to promote. 1:51:12.680 --> 1:51:14.000 I did say that similar. 1:51:14.240 --> 1:51:17.679 Yeah, you told me the same. He has nothing to promote, 1:51:17.680 --> 1:51:19.439 you know. He put out that big pun Jada song. 1:51:20.120 --> 1:51:23.280 But Green's kind of like, speaking of lad I've seen 1:51:23.400 --> 1:51:26.519 lads like moved into the mafia part of YouTube, which 1:51:26.560 --> 1:51:28.559 I get. I respect it. You have to grow the page, 1:51:28.600 --> 1:51:30.639 but you know, picking the people that already have huge 1:51:31.240 --> 1:51:33.599 numbers in the mafia space and telling the same stories 1:51:33.640 --> 1:51:35.559 that we're out already. But I get it flat as 1:51:35.600 --> 1:51:39.599 a different audience. Green is like that. But music industry wise, 1:51:39.760 --> 1:51:41.880 when I look at the mob shit, I'm like, if 1:51:41.880 --> 1:51:45.800 this guy's telling the story, obviously either ratted or he's 1:51:45.880 --> 1:51:47.680 lying because he wouldn't be able to tell this. He 1:51:47.720 --> 1:51:49.760 wouldn't be a Green is like that for me. With 1:51:49.880 --> 1:51:52.639 hip hop, he can't get on a mic and talk 1:51:52.680 --> 1:51:54.760 about it. He wouldn't be someone you could interview. Yeah, 1:51:54.760 --> 1:51:56.479 because you even see people in hip hop that go 1:51:56.600 --> 1:51:58.960 on these like the behind the scenes guys that tell 1:51:59.000 --> 1:52:02.559 these crazy stories. I'm like, he might have to be 1:52:02.640 --> 1:52:06.360 lying because the people that can't tell this story aren't 1:52:06.360 --> 1:52:06.880 gonna tell it. 1:52:06.880 --> 1:52:08.559 I feel like Vlad has one of those guys on 1:52:08.560 --> 1:52:09.559 the show every two weeks. 1:52:09.880 --> 1:52:12.080 Oh it's entertaining where you're like, yo, there's just. 1:52:11.920 --> 1:52:15.800 Just this random like bodyguard and he's just saying, like, 1:52:15.840 --> 1:52:18.760 I know who killed Tupac. I mean, I was under 1:52:18.760 --> 1:52:21.720 the fucking I was under the Mercedes. I had a 1:52:21.760 --> 1:52:24.720 GoPro at the time before they came out. And then 1:52:24.800 --> 1:52:27.720 vladdle like he interviewed he interviewed someone that pulled up 1:52:27.720 --> 1:52:30.000 on a bicycle to the Tupac scene. I was like, 1:52:30.040 --> 1:52:30.679 are you kidding? 1:52:31.040 --> 1:52:32.600 I believe it was the first responder. You just have 1:52:32.760 --> 1:52:34.280 to be on a shwin Are you Are you serious? 1:52:34.320 --> 1:52:38.599 I swear to God, Yeah, listen. I have a lot 1:52:38.600 --> 1:52:39.759 of disagreements with Vlad. 1:52:40.400 --> 1:52:41.120 That's great though. 1:52:41.439 --> 1:52:43.320 Him and I, I guess, don't get along. I don't know. 1:52:43.600 --> 1:52:45.040 I have a lot of issues with people I've never 1:52:45.080 --> 1:52:50.400 met or spoken to. But I yeah, when there's positive 1:52:50.400 --> 1:52:52.960 things to watch Lad related, I watched Yeah, I. 1:52:52.960 --> 1:52:55.840 Just watched him and Charlie Maine and I watched him 1:52:55.840 --> 1:52:57.000 and uh who. 1:52:57.240 --> 1:52:58.880 Look at the growth of Charlot Man. I watched a 1:52:58.920 --> 1:52:59.680 few of those clips too. 1:53:00.120 --> 1:53:03.000 Sharlo means a grown ass man. Now. I love it. 1:53:03.000 --> 1:53:03.479 It's great. 1:53:03.640 --> 1:53:06.519 It's like finding out Santa isn't real. Fucking e a 1:53:06.680 --> 1:53:10.400 nervw to mature. The album is out. Yes, I thought 1:53:10.400 --> 1:53:13.960 it'd be different. May twenty seventh, sixth I can't remember 1:53:13.960 --> 1:53:16.080 anything we did. All the artwork because it's real art. 1:53:16.600 --> 1:53:19.080 All the artwork was by a gentleman by the name 1:53:19.080 --> 1:53:21.840 of Ezra Cohen. For the people that have watched our 1:53:21.920 --> 1:53:24.479 podcast visually when it was at my house, now we're 1:53:24.479 --> 1:53:26.840 in a new studio. But the artwork behind us that 1:53:26.880 --> 1:53:29.160 you can kind of see because it's so big. Ezra did. 1:53:29.680 --> 1:53:32.080 He did all the singles the album. Like he's one 1:53:32.120 --> 1:53:35.880 of the most talented painters I think out period, and 1:53:36.640 --> 1:53:39.519 him even doing the music thing was cool because he's 1:53:39.640 --> 1:53:42.320 very much in the art world, like he's gallery, Lower 1:53:42.360 --> 1:53:47.519 East Side, studio, Hell's kitchen, like he's not in our world. 1:53:47.800 --> 1:53:49.559 So the fact that he was so open to do 1:53:49.600 --> 1:53:50.920 this stuff was amazing. 1:53:51.000 --> 1:53:54.120 You have to pay him, of course, yeah, I mean, 1:53:54.200 --> 1:53:57.479 I he's like, yo, man, everyone can speak to my 1:53:57.560 --> 1:53:58.519 business on this album. 1:53:58.520 --> 1:54:00.040 There's a way to do good business, no matter. I 1:54:00.720 --> 1:54:03.280 hate when people would say industry standards, No, there's a way. 1:54:03.320 --> 1:54:05.519 That's a facade. There's a way to do good business. 1:54:06.479 --> 1:54:08.519 Even if Ezra Ssetti do it for free. I wouldn't 1:54:08.640 --> 1:54:10.320 do that. Take care of him. Of course. 1:54:10.360 --> 1:54:13.360 He worked and worked really well in this project. So 1:54:14.920 --> 1:54:18.719 how many songs is thirteen thirteen records, tons of features, 1:54:19.000 --> 1:54:19.960 dope production on the. 1:54:19.920 --> 1:54:22.800 Album compilation, I mean had to be features. 1:54:22.960 --> 1:54:24.960 I mean it is a COMPLI. You're not rapping, you're 1:54:25.000 --> 1:54:25.439 not singing. 1:54:25.760 --> 1:54:28.000 I might on the second one, who knows you know. 1:54:28.040 --> 1:54:30.479 It's funny when I would always hear you drop these 1:54:30.560 --> 1:54:33.120 nuggets about you were working on an album. Yeah, I 1:54:33.200 --> 1:54:35.200 was like, oh shit, I didn't know Rory rapped. 1:54:36.000 --> 1:54:38.400 I'm like, I rap on the show pretty often, but 1:54:38.440 --> 1:54:38.840 people don't. 1:54:38.880 --> 1:54:40.560 But I was like, I just was like, I just 1:54:40.640 --> 1:54:43.200 assumed you were like gonna rap because it was like 1:54:43.240 --> 1:54:45.360 this like secret project that you had, yeah, you know 1:54:45.480 --> 1:54:47.400 working on. I'm like, oh shit, Rory's making mute. I 1:54:47.440 --> 1:54:50.360 knew you were working with Emotional Oranges, yeah, because can 1:54:50.360 --> 1:54:54.960 you manage them shots? I've known a odd for I played. 1:54:54.680 --> 1:54:56.200 He was supposed to pull up but had a dutch 1:54:56.200 --> 1:54:56.800 with the boyman. Yeah. 1:54:56.840 --> 1:54:59.520 So I played his song Spider Webs on the radio 1:54:59.520 --> 1:55:01.879 and Las veg Gus in twenty ten on my underground 1:55:01.920 --> 1:55:02.520 hip hop show. 1:55:02.640 --> 1:55:06.360 Yeah. Very talented, super talented and helped me, I mean 1:55:06.640 --> 1:55:09.480 ep the project with me as that's that's my partner, 1:55:09.520 --> 1:55:12.600 that's my guy, great guy, the best. So he was 1:55:12.640 --> 1:55:16.440 an instrumental, no pun intended part of this entire process. 1:55:16.480 --> 1:55:18.280 So it was it was great to have help me 1:55:18.320 --> 1:55:20.480 with this and just having Emotional Orange is part of it. 1:55:20.520 --> 1:55:24.120 Just our internal production crew like this, this really wasn't 1:55:24.160 --> 1:55:28.200 like send out records, like send beats like this was 1:55:28.280 --> 1:55:32.040 start from scratch. Some you know, thirty second ideas maybe started, 1:55:32.080 --> 1:55:36.480 but yeah, this was very much a creating an album Almongst. 1:55:36.880 --> 1:55:38.360 Because you know a lot of times you'd be like, Yo, 1:55:38.440 --> 1:55:41.280 this guy probably set beats out, got put together some 1:55:41.400 --> 1:55:42.760 uncohesive record. 1:55:42.960 --> 1:55:43.840 Oh for sure, Yo. 1:55:43.840 --> 1:55:45.680 Just give me a sixteen and I figure the rest out. Yeah, 1:55:45.720 --> 1:55:47.000 build around that, you know, like. 1:55:47.080 --> 1:55:49.640 And even like the few times that artists weren't in there, 1:55:49.640 --> 1:55:53.440 they'll they'll send just their verse over, maybe just keys 1:55:53.520 --> 1:55:55.480 or maybe just a drum loop. I sent, right, and 1:55:55.520 --> 1:55:57.920 then we go in in Frankenstein the entire thing like 1:55:58.400 --> 1:56:00.880 it was, I'm still Shelley or see back to drama. 1:56:00.920 --> 1:56:03.040 He was dram Shelley and now he's back to drama. Yeah, 1:56:03.800 --> 1:56:04.200 is good. 1:56:04.760 --> 1:56:05.200 He's good. 1:56:05.320 --> 1:56:09.120 Drama's great. Yeah. One of the most talented people I've ever. 1:56:10.040 --> 1:56:12.480 He once fell asleep during an interview on camera with me. 1:56:13.120 --> 1:56:15.440 What year was it though, thousand. 1:56:17.840 --> 1:56:18.320 Sixteen? 1:56:18.760 --> 1:56:23.240 Okay, drama is sober now, and yes, drama is sober now. 1:56:23.320 --> 1:56:24.640 Drama's doing amazing. 1:56:25.760 --> 1:56:26.000 Again. 1:56:26.040 --> 1:56:27.440 One of the most talented people have ever worked. Well, 1:56:27.520 --> 1:56:30.760 he's one of the fastest workers I'm a slow worker 1:56:30.800 --> 1:56:32.480 when it comes to music, like it's gonna take me 1:56:32.640 --> 1:56:35.280 some time. Drama and I cooked up I Want You 1:56:35.720 --> 1:56:38.240 but you'll never know it's on my album, and Phone 1:56:38.280 --> 1:56:40.960 Can Die, which is on his in one weekend and 1:56:41.000 --> 1:56:43.640 each session was like an hour and a half. Like 1:56:43.880 --> 1:56:46.920 it was fucking crazy how fast we work together. And 1:56:47.400 --> 1:56:50.000 that may be chemistry, but also Drama is just an 1:56:50.040 --> 1:56:52.520 alien in that regard. And yeah, one of the most 1:56:52.560 --> 1:56:53.280 talented people. 1:56:53.120 --> 1:56:55.800 Have anything on the way that you could speak on 1:56:55.840 --> 1:56:59.720 any podcast stuff. You guys are working on anything. Live show. 1:57:00.000 --> 1:57:02.320 Guys do the live show thing. Obviously the merch is booming. 1:57:02.680 --> 1:57:05.040 Yeah, so we actually have more more merch coming. 1:57:05.440 --> 1:57:07.080 Was a bare minimum Boys is a T shirt you 1:57:07.120 --> 1:57:07.560 can go buy. 1:57:08.040 --> 1:57:09.760 Yeah, it's off the market now. It was just for 1:57:09.800 --> 1:57:12.320 a day you could buy it. But we have our 1:57:12.360 --> 1:57:14.840 actual merch, which you know, we pride ourselves on having 1:57:15.080 --> 1:57:17.760 the best merch in the podcast space. Like it's it's. 1:57:17.560 --> 1:57:20.320 Not tour t shirts Patreon that you drive once and 1:57:20.680 --> 1:57:21.839 are going, but yes Patreon. 1:57:22.480 --> 1:57:24.720 We're on our new studio. Now we have a I 1:57:24.720 --> 1:57:26.040 mean by the time you're hearing this, we have more 1:57:26.040 --> 1:57:31.840 sketches out. I think tomorrow Monday, Merchant two weeks. We 1:57:32.120 --> 1:57:34.680 with this new studio space and office space, you know, 1:57:34.800 --> 1:57:36.640 we're back to getting in the actual rhythm. 1:57:36.760 --> 1:57:38.760 So would you do another podcast, because you know, there's 1:57:38.760 --> 1:57:42.000 a lot of people, especially in the comedic world, that 1:57:42.040 --> 1:57:44.680 they do like multiple podcasts, like you got like, uh, 1:57:44.920 --> 1:57:46.320 you know Tom Sagori doesn't know. 1:57:46.480 --> 1:57:49.640 W Yeah, don't b Chriischer, you know, like I haven't 1:57:49.840 --> 1:57:55.560 pitched it to him. But Terrell Grice who has one 1:57:55.560 --> 1:57:58.360 of my favorite YouTube platforms where he has R and 1:57:58.400 --> 1:58:01.800 B singers come on and they do like a like 1:58:01.840 --> 1:58:03.480 a word game. Well he'll say a word and they 1:58:03.480 --> 1:58:05.879 have to sing a song that has that word in it, 1:58:06.000 --> 1:58:08.520 like with a singer. One of my favorite platforms by far, 1:58:08.600 --> 1:58:11.160 and just like one of the coolest guys I think 1:58:11.200 --> 1:58:13.760 on YouTube. I would love to do some type of 1:58:14.240 --> 1:58:16.760 R and B thing with him. That'd be dope, but 1:58:17.000 --> 1:58:18.160 he may be too big for me. 1:58:18.200 --> 1:58:18.280 Now. 1:58:18.280 --> 1:58:19.160 I don't know, well, because. 1:58:18.960 --> 1:58:21.000 There's like only I think the R and B Money 1:58:21.040 --> 1:58:23.400 podcast and then what you guys and with Joe. I 1:58:23.400 --> 1:58:25.360 feel like you and you guys and Joe's. 1:58:25.040 --> 1:58:27.360 And we weren't even like we touched upon R and 1:58:27.360 --> 1:58:29.800 B guy we weren't an R and pocket at it. Yeah, 1:58:29.960 --> 1:58:32.880 so I think that space definitely has a void to 1:58:32.920 --> 1:58:35.480 feel and this album could start that. But again, you know, 1:58:35.520 --> 1:58:37.600 I needed a year to get this ship off the ground. 1:58:37.680 --> 1:58:40.960 With a new one, we'll go run it up stream it. 1:58:41.320 --> 1:58:44.040 Yes, I thought it'd be different, thought to be different 1:58:44.160 --> 1:58:47.000 on all platforms by Vinyl. Will be out probably next 1:58:47.080 --> 1:58:49.880 year because that should take it ever forever. Shit takes 1:58:49.920 --> 1:58:54.120 fucking forever time. But designing the artwork for that now 1:58:54.480 --> 1:58:56.560 they have the masters and we found a company that 1:58:56.600 --> 1:58:58.760 I think can turn it over in less than a year. 1:58:58.920 --> 1:59:01.320 So there it is. Man, Well, I appreciate you pulling up. 1:59:01.400 --> 1:59:02.960 I appreciate you having finally. 1:59:02.680 --> 1:59:04.920 Made it happen. 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