WEBVTT - Ep 112: Vince Staples

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<v Speaker 1>No matter what I ended up doing, I'm appreciative of

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<v Speaker 1>my opportunities because I was born in the places I

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<v Speaker 1>avoided for the most part. So yeah, that's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>how look at it.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Midnight Chats, a podcast of laid back conversations

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<v Speaker 2>with leading names in music. In keeping with these informal interviews,

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<v Speaker 2>each new one is published weekly at midnight. This week's

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<v Speaker 2>episode is hosted by me Greg Cochrane from Loud and

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<v Speaker 2>Quiet magazine. We're lucky to get time in with tonight's guest,

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<v Speaker 2>because fair to say, Vince Staples's diary is looking slammed.

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<v Speaker 2>After a low key couple of years, twenty twenty one

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<v Speaker 2>is a big one for the artist, starting with the music.

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<v Speaker 2>Just last week the beginning of July, Vince released his

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<v Speaker 2>fourth album, The South of Vince Staples Album. Go check

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<v Speaker 2>it out. It's the follow up to Summertime, six, Big

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<v Speaker 2>Fish Theory, and most recently f M. Ten new songs

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<v Speaker 2>made the final cut, But, as he says in the

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<v Speaker 2>conversation you are about to hear, went through a prolific

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<v Speaker 2>spell of creating material in twenty twenty during the pandemic

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<v Speaker 2>and wrote almost two hundred new songs made about thirty

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<v Speaker 2>of those with his friend and producer Kenny Beats that

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<v Speaker 2>ended up forming this new project. It was the week

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<v Speaker 2>leading up to the release of that new album that

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<v Speaker 2>Vince was speaking to me from home in southern California,

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<v Speaker 2>and we talked a lot about his non music endeavors

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<v Speaker 2>as well. I'm sure loads of you have seen the

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<v Speaker 2>brilliantly surreal and hilarious The Vince Staples Show on YouTube

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<v Speaker 2>and in a huge movie. He's currently making some more

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<v Speaker 2>episodes of that for Netflix. He's also getting into podcasting,

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<v Speaker 2>There's a film project coming and before the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the year he is also releasing his first graphic novel,

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<v Speaker 2>So no wonder. He's not sure when he's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be playing any live shows anytime soon. From a UK perspective,

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<v Speaker 2>two things I wanted to ask Vince about. He worked

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<v Speaker 2>with the producer Sophie on his Big Fish Theory album

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty seventeen. Sophie sadly died after a sudden accident

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<v Speaker 2>in Athens, Greece, earlier this year and obviously a huge

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<v Speaker 2>loss to music. A real visionary, and Vince speaks in

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<v Speaker 2>really moving way about Sophie's influence and friendship. Plus we

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<v Speaker 2>talked a little bit about him joining Gorillas on their

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<v Speaker 2>World Talk a couple of years ago after we got

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<v Speaker 2>to know dam in Auburn and collaborated on their track Ascension.

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<v Speaker 2>So here we go a pleasure to welcome Vince Staples

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<v Speaker 2>onto Midnight Chats episode one hundred and twelve. Throughout this series,

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<v Speaker 2>when we've been talking to different artists, lots of conversations

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<v Speaker 2>about how people just managed the pandemic. You know what

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<v Speaker 2>the last like fourteen months has been like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of like communication and how you've had to

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<v Speaker 2>change working and stuff. But I think a few different

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<v Speaker 2>people have said, you know, that change of speaking to

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<v Speaker 2>people online and working from home, particularly at the very

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<v Speaker 2>start of the pandemic is actually they've enjoyed some of

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<v Speaker 2>the things that have come out of it. Did was

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<v Speaker 2>it like that for you? Did? Is it sort of

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<v Speaker 2>made some of the part of your sort of job

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<v Speaker 2>easier so to speak?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh? Yeah, I mean I appreciate the time to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of be home or or like I feel like we

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot of unnecessary interactions, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's a lot we can get a lot done

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<v Speaker 1>in the same manners and space. I guess it's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>people like to go sit at the restaurant and go

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<v Speaker 1>sit at the sohouse. It's like a it's like a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's not necessarily my thing. So you know, I like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, not having I don't live in La so

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<v Speaker 1>I would have to like travel pretty far to go

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<v Speaker 1>do these things. And it's like you drive two hours

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<v Speaker 1>for a fifteen minute meeting type thing. So so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was like, it's that kind of that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But I know, I appreciate anyone's willingness and want to

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<v Speaker 1>have to speak up to me about what I'm doing.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, it's not like I don't like to

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<v Speaker 1>do it or all. I don't want to do it,

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<v Speaker 1>but I do like doing it from home.

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<v Speaker 2>I hear what you're saying, because it's nice to have

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<v Speaker 2>a couple more hours back in your day when you're

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<v Speaker 2>not just stuck in traffic or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>It feels a bit. Yeah, it feels a bit more productive. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So am I right in thinking? It was your birthday

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of days ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Yeah, happy birthday, man, Thank you, I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you have a good day, what did you get up.

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<v Speaker 1>To and I think just you know, I've been doing

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of work stof so I just stayed home

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<v Speaker 1>for the day and didn't do you know, things like

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<v Speaker 1>this for a day.

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<v Speaker 2>So obviously it's early where you are when we're recording

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<v Speaker 2>this now. But what's your kind of like your average

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<v Speaker 2>day at the moment, looking like, you know, do you

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<v Speaker 2>have like a routine you kind of like get up

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<v Speaker 2>straight into work. What what's your kind of current kind

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<v Speaker 2>of situation.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, wake up, my promo, pressing interviews and if I

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<v Speaker 1>have time for other things, which usually we kind of don't,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll probably like you or something like that. But that, yeah, promo,

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<v Speaker 1>pressing interviews and like I did a tiny jest the

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<v Speaker 1>other day. No, yeah, pretty much use promo for this

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<v Speaker 1>upcoming project stuff. That's pretty much where the day are

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<v Speaker 1>right now.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been interesting talking to people throughout this series about

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<v Speaker 2>where they're at, like people, you know, artists based all

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<v Speaker 2>around the world and things are obviously at different stages

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<v Speaker 2>of being opening up with everything going on with the pandemic.

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<v Speaker 2>What does it feel like where you are? Is it

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<v Speaker 2>is it things we're turning to the sense of normal

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<v Speaker 2>or you know, still things a little bit different. How's

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<v Speaker 2>it with you?

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<v Speaker 1>It's returned those sense of normal. I feel like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I personally still believe you know, I should, I should,

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<v Speaker 1>and we all should be careful and be mindfully you

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<v Speaker 1>know the people around us, and maybe you know their

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<v Speaker 1>compromise positions as far as you know their immunity and

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<v Speaker 1>things of that nature, and just be just mindful and

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<v Speaker 1>be kind of just be polite to other people and not,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just take take the proper precaution that worlds

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<v Speaker 1>we'll be taking, just not necessarily for ourselves with other people.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, things are kind of getting back to I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if people necessarily are care much anymore like

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<v Speaker 1>they did beforehand. I think people are kind of we

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<v Speaker 1>live in a disensitized culture pretty much, so I think

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<v Speaker 1>we're kind of getting to that point with this.

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<v Speaker 2>What about things like live shows you book, you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to start booking tools and festivals? Is that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>thing happening because it's it's in the UK, it's still

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<v Speaker 2>sort of a bit of a we're like one foot

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<v Speaker 2>in the pandemic, one foot out if you know anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I definitely what you mean. Not as of now,

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<v Speaker 1>there's nothing that's been booked. Yeah, there's nothing that's been booked.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't really see it happening for me anytime soon.

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<v Speaker 1>But maybe you never you honestly never know. But I'm

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<v Speaker 1>kind of I don't think that's kind of our next step.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we try to, you know, get a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of these other things we have coin are done, and

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<v Speaker 1>then we'll go from there.

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<v Speaker 2>It's twenty twenty one about working on kind of non

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<v Speaker 2>live projects for you. Is that Is that going to

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<v Speaker 2>be the priority?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I just I know we have we

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<v Speaker 1>have this music stuff, We have this stuff we're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to do within like a podcast space that's not necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>traditional podcast. We don't think kind of within the format,

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<v Speaker 1>within the podcast space. Working on you know this, the

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<v Speaker 1>Vince Stable show Flix, trying to get this film called

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<v Speaker 1>that ass that were working on Jermaine Foler, trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get that film out. This little stuff, just a little mad,

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<v Speaker 1>little stuff here and there, and I'm trying to like

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<v Speaker 1>turn into big stuff. That's all.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's very humble of you. It sounds like big

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<v Speaker 2>stuff to.

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<v Speaker 1>Me, that big stuff until it happened.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, true. I wanted to ask what I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to start by asking you about the graphic novel because

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<v Speaker 2>you just announced that you're going to be releasing a

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<v Speaker 2>graphic novel called Limbo Beach in December. That's one of

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<v Speaker 2>the things that you're kind of going to be involved

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<v Speaker 2>with with this year. What's the background with that and

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<v Speaker 2>have you always had have you had a passion for

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<v Speaker 2>graphic novels in the past or is it an opportunity

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<v Speaker 2>that's come your way that you thought that sounds really interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's this company cause the two comics that works

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<v Speaker 1>with Universal, they do graphic novels based off of artist

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<v Speaker 1>music and h they when I was obviously I'm in

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<v Speaker 1>the Universal system, So when I was brought the opportunity,

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<v Speaker 1>I just asked him if we can do something unique

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<v Speaker 1>to you know, it's own nothing that was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>derivative music or projects specifically, and you know, they were

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<v Speaker 1>up forward and you know they kind of kind of

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<v Speaker 1>held our hands in the creation of it. We just

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<v Speaker 1>had to come up with the story and they found

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<v Speaker 1>us a appropriate team to help finish writing and get

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<v Speaker 1>they're brought to founder appropriately illustrated. It was a really

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<v Speaker 1>good just a good experience, good team of people.

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<v Speaker 2>What I've seen so far from the kind of selected

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<v Speaker 2>visuals that you shared, looks looks amazing. What can you

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<v Speaker 2>tell me a little bit about the story?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just you know, it's about, you know, a place

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<v Speaker 1>where these kids go they kind of don't know where

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<v Speaker 1>they are, kind of their journeys and discovery and their

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<v Speaker 1>like their maturity and adolescents and like kind of uncomfromised

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<v Speaker 1>situation of you know, you wake up in the place,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't know who, you already don't know where you are,

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<v Speaker 1>and that leads kids to being kids because you already

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<v Speaker 1>know how children are. Children are very you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't say judgmental, but you know, it's very surface. So

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<v Speaker 1>that that kind of childlike behavior, that kind of child

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<v Speaker 1>like mind state in a place where they're by themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>but they have these unique abilities and these unique strengths.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of it's just about their development, their personal development,

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<v Speaker 1>and how they deal with that responsibility, how they deal

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<v Speaker 1>with that power, how they deal with all these things

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<v Speaker 1>while still essentially being children without knowing who they are,

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<v Speaker 1>even because you know, as a child, no one really

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<v Speaker 1>knows who they are as a child.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you how to finished copy of the graphic novel

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<v Speaker 2>in your hands yet. Have you got it back from

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<v Speaker 2>the printing?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? No, but I've seen, you know, kind of where

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<v Speaker 1>we're heading with it, and I think it's really really,

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<v Speaker 1>really really good.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think at some point it could kind of

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<v Speaker 2>be I mean the visuals wise and story wise. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you think there's some development in there? Could it? Could it?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, in the past, obviously we've seen it tons

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<v Speaker 2>of like graphic novels have been turned into like TV

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<v Speaker 2>shows or movies or whatever. Like is that is your

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<v Speaker 2>mind and you thinking that kind of thing?

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<v Speaker 1>I definitely think it's a possibility. I don't think it's

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<v Speaker 1>a possibility. Especially with the team that we have and

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<v Speaker 1>the people that are working on it, I'm pretty sure

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<v Speaker 1>that anything is possible with these guys. They're very passionate

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<v Speaker 1>about what they do and very knowledgeable about what they do.

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<v Speaker 1>So if anybody can do it, it'll be these guys.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to be the next Sin City.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, that'll be That'll be very interesting if that's how

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<v Speaker 1>it turns.

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<v Speaker 2>You already mentioned there's a whole bunch of like different

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<v Speaker 2>sort of projects and happening this year. One of the

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<v Speaker 2>things you just mentioned there was podcasts like what given

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<v Speaker 2>that we're chatting now on a podcast, what kind of

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<v Speaker 2>thing are you looking to do there? Because there's there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of podcasts out there doing similar things, right,

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<v Speaker 2>so how important is it to try and do something

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<v Speaker 2>that's a little bit different.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think it's I think it's a space

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<v Speaker 1>more than is a thing. So if you can just

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<v Speaker 1>utilize the space in a in a creative way and

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<v Speaker 1>just utilize the space like the digestions, it's the way

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<v Speaker 1>people digest things. So if you can kind of put

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<v Speaker 1>you can put anything there, you know what I mean. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't have to necessarily be because I would say

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<v Speaker 1>that a podcast is very similar to what you would

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<v Speaker 1>see on a social media feed, like based on the

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<v Speaker 1>way people use it, likes same that same whether people

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<v Speaker 1>will you know, will utilize the blog or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of see a lot of people bes in

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<v Speaker 1>podcasts in that light. So you know, it's very possible

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<v Speaker 1>to use it in a different light because like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just just a conversation piece, and yeah, you can

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<v Speaker 1>make it conversation about literally whatever you want to be about.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're just trying to figure out a cool way

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<v Speaker 1>to do that utilizing the space and doing something that

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<v Speaker 1>you know no one else is doing, both visually and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, as an audio thing.

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<v Speaker 2>On the subject to visuals, it always feels like every

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<v Speaker 2>Vince Staples video that's ever released is an event. It's

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<v Speaker 2>never ever thoughtless. It's it's always you know, it's always

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<v Speaker 2>so imaginative and so many great ideas. Am I right

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<v Speaker 2>in thinking that? Growing up, you know, you always loved

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<v Speaker 2>movies and TV almost as much, if not more than music.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't like music growing up like that. I

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<v Speaker 1>still don't really honestly listen to music, but yeah, I do,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, television, movies and things like that. We

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<v Speaker 1>all do. So it's like just trying to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm able to create unique things that I would

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that that that lean itself to, that lends

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<v Speaker 1>them that's human, that lends itself to my art or

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<v Speaker 1>whatever I end up doing. I don't want to lean

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<v Speaker 1>on just h I think this song is good. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to lean on just all this visual is good.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to make sure that they kind of me

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle somewhere. So that's kind of how I

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<v Speaker 1>look at a visual in general.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I ask it out like what will you sort

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<v Speaker 2>of surround yourself there is when you've got ideas, So

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<v Speaker 2>like if you've got a new idea for a video

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<v Speaker 2>or something like that, or do you have like do

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<v Speaker 2>you have like a home office at own where you

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<v Speaker 2>stick like you do you like sketch out ideas? Do

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<v Speaker 2>you how do you surround yourself with ideas? Do you

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<v Speaker 2>like note them down on your laptop? Or like what

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<v Speaker 2>what do you do to sort of capture when something

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<v Speaker 2>comes to mind and you're like I need to develop that,

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<v Speaker 2>I need to work more with that. I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>a great idea. Where do you put it? How do

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<v Speaker 2>you surround yourself?

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing? Honestly, I need to do a better job with that,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't do anything. It's pretty much like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if it's worth doing, I remember. If it's not, I

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<v Speaker 1>forget it, to be honest, But I'm trying to do

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<v Speaker 1>a better job or remembering these things.

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<v Speaker 2>There's probably been like hundreds of great ideas that you've

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<v Speaker 2>had that then you've got distracted by something else and

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<v Speaker 2>you're like, damn, that one's gone.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's definitely probably happened a million times. But you know, no,

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<v Speaker 1>everything happens for a reason.

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<v Speaker 2>So we'll see on the subject of like TV and movies,

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<v Speaker 2>what's the movie that you reckon you've watched the most

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<v Speaker 2>over your life?

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<v Speaker 1>My life, So that would mean before I was picking

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<v Speaker 1>around movies, probably like Friday or something like that, Friday,

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<v Speaker 1>something along the lines of that kind of thing. My

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<v Speaker 1>family is very very we digest and when I was

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<v Speaker 1>growing up, like we digest it, very black things, very

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<v Speaker 1>things that are very relevant to you know, our culture,

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<v Speaker 1>and I would bring our surroundings. So so Friday was

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<v Speaker 1>it definitely has to be it. Yeah, that's definitely it.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you so oversight every line?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh No, I can't r I can't really recite my

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<v Speaker 1>own lyrics. To be honest, I forget things. I forget

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<v Speaker 1>things very very very fast. But I do. I do

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<v Speaker 1>love that movie very much. It's you know, for it

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<v Speaker 1>to be for to be independent film, for it to

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<v Speaker 1>be something that you know was a brain child or

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<v Speaker 1>someone who's kind of has a similar you know, trajectory

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<v Speaker 1>as me as far as like starting his music and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's a very important thing. It's very it's

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<v Speaker 1>a very important film, probably more important than like it

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<v Speaker 1>gets credit for.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of you just mentioned there was like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>keeping things in your head, you know, like when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to lyrics or when it comes to lines, if

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<v Speaker 2>you're like working with a script or something, as somebody

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<v Speaker 2>who kind of like necessarily quite sort of forgetful. So

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<v Speaker 2>like when it comes to like you, if you're about

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<v Speaker 2>to play a show, or if you're about to record

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<v Speaker 2>a scene for TV or for like an episode of

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<v Speaker 2>The Vince Staple Show or something, are you good at

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<v Speaker 2>retaining that information in your head? Or does it take

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of hard work so that it sticks?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I just just focused on it then there,

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<v Speaker 1>Like for the Vince Staple Show, none, none of that

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<v Speaker 1>was scripted. There were no lines. It was all okay, improvisational.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't write anything down except for like ray J's

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<v Speaker 1>parts or whatever. Everything else is pretty much everything else

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<v Speaker 1>is pretty much just off the cut. But yeah, if

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<v Speaker 1>you've said enough times, you'll be fine. It's the way

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<v Speaker 1>I look at it, you know, if I say it

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<v Speaker 1>thirty forty times in a row, then I remember it.

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<v Speaker 2>Continuing on the subject of movies, is there any like

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<v Speaker 2>genres or anything that you just never that just aren't

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<v Speaker 2>for you, that you can't get on board with or

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<v Speaker 2>you just never really kind of fully given the time to.

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<v Speaker 1>I always been somebody who's interested in like the wather

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<v Speaker 1>things are made more than the things themselves so or

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<v Speaker 1>why people like things. So it's not anything that I

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<v Speaker 1>can't do or anything I can watch or listen to

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<v Speaker 1>or anything like that. I think I can kind of

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<v Speaker 1>just I can adjust any of those things issues. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not looking to be like excited by it. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not looking to like, you know, fall in love with it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just interesting to see if there's a movie and

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<v Speaker 1>it's been made, obviously somebody like it, and obviously it's

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<v Speaker 1>a crowd for it. So if I can kind of

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<v Speaker 1>realize how and why these things kind of can fruition,

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<v Speaker 1>then it could help me create things as well.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean in terms of the stuff they're working on

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<v Speaker 2>for Netflix, is that like an extension of what you've

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<v Speaker 2>done with the Vince Staples Show. How do those things relate?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, that's exactly what it is. Literally exact. That's

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<v Speaker 1>how we got the show. So you know, Kenya can

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<v Speaker 1>embarrass and his production company kind of saw. We had

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<v Speaker 1>some meetings and they kind of that means a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people, actually a lot of people are interested, but

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<v Speaker 1>it kind of made the most sense with Netflix. So

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<v Speaker 1>we're just trying to do something that's very very that

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<v Speaker 1>leads itself to that platform, and I think that's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of that's going to be a great da for us.

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<v Speaker 2>You mentioned that a lot of the stuff that you've

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<v Speaker 2>done on YouTube, for example, was kind of done created

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<v Speaker 2>in the moment, you know, like spontaneously unscripted. How will

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<v Speaker 2>would this be different? Is this involved more planning? You know,

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<v Speaker 2>once you kind of work with a big kind of

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<v Speaker 2>content provider like Netflix or something, I guess maybe things

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<v Speaker 2>are a little bit different at that point. So what

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<v Speaker 2>was the experience being like so far?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's just I just I just personally didn't do it,

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<v Speaker 1>like but I knew what was going to happen was

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<v Speaker 1>going to be said. We just had a general idea.

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<v Speaker 1>But essentially it was just being chinmatic and we were

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<v Speaker 1>able to work with some great people who have you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like the extras and not the actual but the additional

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<v Speaker 1>actors in the first one, like those the guys from

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<v Speaker 1>the film I don't know if you've seen if it's

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<v Speaker 1>a film called The Wood that was a really big

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<v Speaker 1>film out here, Like they were the additional characters, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. So even past that, like we

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<v Speaker 1>just had to you know, some really some some local

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<v Speaker 1>legends I would say, from California just to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>help us with it, and I think that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>made it to where we had that leency. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're definitely writing the shot and stuff. Obviously, I was

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<v Speaker 1>just that was just a like an anecdote based on

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<v Speaker 1>like remembering the lines. It was really nothing to remember.

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<v Speaker 1>I just had to kind of know the scenario and

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<v Speaker 1>based on we were running we were running gun in

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<v Speaker 1>it as if it was a music video, So I just

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<v Speaker 1>I had a little bit more leniency with that. But

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<v Speaker 1>we did that, and like it was a very quick

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<v Speaker 1>like put together thing. So now with how we're doing

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<v Speaker 1>it now, I'm pretty sure that it's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>even better.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking forward to seeing it. Are there any shows

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<v Speaker 2>out there that have been shared in the last few

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<v Speaker 2>years that you sort of see as a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a blueprint that you think, you know what, that was great,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going for that kind of sort of thing, or

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<v Speaker 2>do you feel this is something completely unique?

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<v Speaker 1>Not at all. I guess I was tooking from the

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<v Speaker 1>rap world. So you don't want to be like, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to bite anybody's idea. But there are a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of great things that I've seen that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I like How to Be a Guid in Central Florida.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's what the show is called. Excuse me

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<v Speaker 1>if I've kind of said anything kind of wrong. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sing good names. Of course, Up Paying fifteen is great,

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<v Speaker 1>Atlanta's great, so many great things. Black One Day is great. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a lot of really really good shows. I think

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<v Speaker 1>obviously you have your love Craft Countries, you have your Watchmen,

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<v Speaker 1>you have these kind of blockbusters shows, but yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of really good stuff out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Well did you make of that show, Dave? That's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like only really been big in the UK the

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<v Speaker 2>last like year or so.

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<v Speaker 1>I honestly haven't seen it, but a lot of my

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<v Speaker 1>friends are of Travis is working on it, so I'll

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<v Speaker 1>watch it one day definitely, definitely. But I know they're

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<v Speaker 1>in their second season right now, and I know for

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<v Speaker 1>sure they're going to get a third because they're doing great.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that is something that I do plan on watching.

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<v Speaker 2>And what about like the different disciplines like working on

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<v Speaker 2>a TV series is obviously totally different discipline to sitting

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<v Speaker 2>down writing lyrics for a record. So how are those

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<v Speaker 2>things different for you? Do you have a preference for

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<v Speaker 2>one over the other? And how do you switch modes?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, how do you how do you one day

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<v Speaker 2>sit doing one thing and any other, like using a

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<v Speaker 2>different part of your brain.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very similar to me because at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the day their words, you know what I mean, Like

0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:11.440
<v Speaker 1>a television shows words, a song is words. And either way,

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<v Speaker 1>you're basically just trying to have a conversation with the

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<v Speaker 1>viewer and the listener without necessarily acknowledging them as as

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<v Speaker 1>mean as that sounds, I meaning the peers way possible.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, so it's just trying to have a good

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<v Speaker 1>conversation with you know, whoever's listening, and there's no it's

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing as a podcast essentially, it's the same

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<v Speaker 1>part of my brain.

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<v Speaker 2>Specifically, do you have the viewer in mind?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you do?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you thinking of it in terms of a conversation

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<v Speaker 2>when you're writing that stuff? Like do do you sort

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<v Speaker 2>of have this like imaginary imaginary viewer or listener in

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<v Speaker 2>mind when you're doing that?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that you kind of have to, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's like you have to make sure that everything

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<v Speaker 1>makes sense as far as like the trajector what you're creating. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So things have to have a beginning miail end essentially right.

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<v Speaker 1>But some things can go on set based on the

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<v Speaker 1>audiences itself, you know what I mean. So you don't

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<v Speaker 1>need every little detail if that's based off it's somewhat conversational.

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<v Speaker 1>There's some things that are implied and that's based off

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<v Speaker 1>you knowing the listener or knowing the listener's position.

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<v Speaker 2>With regards to music, obviously, you worked on a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of music in twenty twenty, Like I read that it

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<v Speaker 2>was something like one hundred tracks or something that you'd

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<v Speaker 2>kind of worked on. From all of that, how did

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<v Speaker 2>you decide what would appear on this self titled album?

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<v Speaker 1>It was like like almost two hundred eight hundred ninety

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<v Speaker 1>something like that. I forgot, But wow, what the project?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's that's prolific. Oh, that's super.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, no, they all weren't good, you know, they

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<v Speaker 1>all weren't good. There weren't finished, But I think it

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<v Speaker 1>was the first time I had like enough time and

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<v Speaker 1>just took the time to really just create aimlessly. You

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<v Speaker 1>know pretty much. I've never had any like spirit songs

0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:47.400
<v Speaker 1>pretty much every Soca Bide it has been put out.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's funny, like the Kini stuff was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a separate excursion, like I did the Kinny stuff. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean the Vince Abe was project your stuff with Kenny.

0:20:56.440 --> 0:20:59.240
<v Speaker 1>We did thirty songs in like eight sessions towards the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the year, right for Christmas. So it kind

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<v Speaker 1>of wasn't along the same vein of you know, what

0:21:04.680 --> 0:21:07.639
<v Speaker 1>the other stuff was, but that other stuff was very violent.

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<v Speaker 1>Like where I am now creatively, I was able to

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<v Speaker 1>like learn a lot from creating that much, if that

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<v Speaker 1>makes sense, like not being as precious with the ideas,

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<v Speaker 1>knowing that other things can service the other you know,

0:21:19.840 --> 0:21:22.440
<v Speaker 1>certain things can service it more than one way. Are

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<v Speaker 1>certain songs end up being referenced in like one line

0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:27.080
<v Speaker 1>or you know half a bar I just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>took three songs and turned them into two lines, like

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<v Speaker 1>it's happened a few times.

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<v Speaker 2>And what's your relationship with that material that you've made,

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<v Speaker 2>like you said said the kind of a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>hundred songs, like some of that is it going to

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<v Speaker 2>make it onto future releases? Some of it. Do you

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<v Speaker 2>just sort of probably had a hard drive somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably not no fair enough. I honestly don't know, but

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<v Speaker 1>like I would know, like thinking about music is, if

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<v Speaker 1>you don't put it out when when you if you

0:21:48.119 --> 0:21:49.399
<v Speaker 1>don't love it when you make it, you might not

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<v Speaker 1>love it later. Yeah, I mean, it's just it's a

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<v Speaker 1>learning curve. It's just really a learning curve.

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<v Speaker 2>The album is self titled to how does It Feel Too?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, and you've talked about how there's more more

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<v Speaker 2>about yourself and the lyrics on this record, So how

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<v Speaker 2>does it feel to kind of give more of yourself

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<v Speaker 2>away or share more of yourself than on previous releases

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<v Speaker 2>with the lyrics?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't think that's the case, to be honest,

0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:11.800
<v Speaker 1>I think I've literally said the same thing in every

0:22:11.840 --> 0:22:13.399
<v Speaker 1>song I've ever made, because you know, at the end,

0:22:13.400 --> 0:22:15.160
<v Speaker 1>they're just making music about your life, if they if

0:22:15.200 --> 0:22:17.080
<v Speaker 1>you choose to do that. You know, when you're making

0:22:17.119 --> 0:22:18.639
<v Speaker 1>music about your life, it's only so much, you can say,

0:22:18.640 --> 0:22:20.679
<v Speaker 1>it's only so much life to live. I think a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of it is putting the right things in the

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<v Speaker 1>right spaces. It's one of those things, like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not what you say is it's not what you

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<v Speaker 1>says how you say it. So it's like people say,

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<v Speaker 1>why haven't you spoke about this? Why why haven't you

0:22:30.520 --> 0:22:32.040
<v Speaker 1>spoke about this? It will be things that I've said

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<v Speaker 1>literally ten fifteen times, but it might have not have

0:22:34.480 --> 0:22:36.399
<v Speaker 1>been on the on the beat that was suitable for

0:22:37.160 --> 0:22:39.399
<v Speaker 1>that kind of understanding. It might not have been you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it might not have been palatable, I would say palatable.

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<v Speaker 1>So just making sure that you know, when it's a

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<v Speaker 1>big fast change, so much things going on musically, and

0:22:49.760 --> 0:22:51.840
<v Speaker 1>there's so many, you know, different ways that you can

0:22:52.480 --> 0:22:56.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, approach things. It's not going to seem as

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<v Speaker 1>if let's put the let's put the lyrical content first.

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<v Speaker 1>Know that's not what people are thinking about and they're

0:23:01.560 --> 0:23:04.959
<v Speaker 1>thinking about that project. So as I got to this

0:23:05.040 --> 0:23:07.440
<v Speaker 1>position I am now creatively, I kind of start realizing

0:23:07.480 --> 0:23:08.359
<v Speaker 1>that and you know, just with.

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<v Speaker 2>From there and I really like the interludes on on

0:23:10.720 --> 0:23:13.760
<v Speaker 2>this album. You're You've got your mother on there, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>what was the what was the conversation like when you

0:23:16.840 --> 0:23:18.760
<v Speaker 2>said to her, I want I want to make a

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<v Speaker 2>recording of you to to go into.

0:23:20.280 --> 0:23:23.359
<v Speaker 1>The I'm not recorded is she not If she not

0:23:23.440 --> 0:23:26.840
<v Speaker 1>recorded that, she would have said it. Yeah, so she

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<v Speaker 1>for sure that she doesn't even if she just still

0:23:28.760 --> 0:23:31.320
<v Speaker 1>doesn't know that that's on the project. I say, here's signs,

0:23:31.400 --> 0:23:32.879
<v Speaker 1>and she said, okay, you know so I got on

0:23:32.920 --> 0:23:33.960
<v Speaker 1>the project right.

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<v Speaker 2>So do you know if your mom listens to your records,

0:23:37.119 --> 0:23:40.359
<v Speaker 2>you'll hear it once it's out here one day? Are

0:23:40.400 --> 0:23:41.960
<v Speaker 2>you looking forward to that conversation with her?

0:23:42.320 --> 0:23:43.040
<v Speaker 1>She's not gonna care?

0:23:43.800 --> 0:23:44.560
<v Speaker 2>Is she pretty chill?

0:23:44.680 --> 0:23:44.760
<v Speaker 1>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>What's how does she feel about like your kind of

0:23:48.119 --> 0:23:50.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, your your day to day, your achievements, everything,

0:23:50.560 --> 0:23:56.680
<v Speaker 2>and she's just just still your mom.

0:23:52.160 --> 0:23:56.480
<v Speaker 1>Just as long as like I'm okay and I'm happy,

0:23:56.520 --> 0:23:58.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, to make sure you eat every day type

0:23:58.640 --> 0:24:01.399
<v Speaker 1>stuff that you really really really really from others. So

0:24:01.480 --> 0:24:04.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm very appreciative of it. So you know, yeah, my

0:24:04.400 --> 0:24:06.639
<v Speaker 1>mom's not My mom doesn't care about that kind of stuff.

0:24:07.040 --> 0:24:09.280
<v Speaker 1>She's happy that I'm happy with whatever I'm doing. If

0:24:09.320 --> 0:24:11.760
<v Speaker 1>I said I don't want to do this anymore, she wouldn't.

0:24:11.880 --> 0:24:14.000
<v Speaker 1>She wouldn't spend one second trying to talk me out

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<v Speaker 1>of it.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you appreciate about that? Just the grounding, just

0:24:16.240 --> 0:24:19.240
<v Speaker 2>the sort of the feel of always having like almost

0:24:19.320 --> 0:24:22.080
<v Speaker 2>unconditional support, you know, just always being there regardless of

0:24:22.080 --> 0:24:25.280
<v Speaker 2>what the high days and the low days. Basically, Yeah, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, I, like I said, have a great mother. You know,

0:24:27.160 --> 0:24:30.000
<v Speaker 1>she's uh. Without my mother and my you know family

0:24:30.000 --> 0:24:31.720
<v Speaker 1>in general, I wouldn't kind of be where I am

0:24:31.800 --> 0:24:36.000
<v Speaker 1>so and she's literally the main, the main, main reason.

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<v Speaker 2>You mentioned Kenny Beats earlier and you're kind of work

0:24:38.480 --> 0:24:41.200
<v Speaker 2>together on this in the sessions that you had. How

0:24:41.280 --> 0:24:44.000
<v Speaker 2>is that experience of working with him. He's worked on

0:24:44.040 --> 0:24:47.280
<v Speaker 2>a whole wide variety of projects. Yeah, how is that

0:24:47.320 --> 0:24:47.440
<v Speaker 2>for you?

0:24:47.920 --> 0:24:49.639
<v Speaker 1>It's easy working with Kenny, Kenny my friend. Like I

0:24:49.680 --> 0:24:52.359
<v Speaker 1>talked to Kenny every day, no matter, like probably not

0:24:52.560 --> 0:24:54.040
<v Speaker 1>real I do't tell anybody every day, but I talked

0:24:54.040 --> 0:24:57.600
<v Speaker 1>to Kenny a lot. So working with Kenny's easy. It's

0:24:57.640 --> 0:25:00.520
<v Speaker 1>almost easy, Like is hardly explained. We did a you know,

0:25:00.560 --> 0:25:02.840
<v Speaker 1>we did thirty songs and eight session and I was

0:25:02.880 --> 0:25:04.639
<v Speaker 1>there for like probably two hours per session. You know.

0:25:04.800 --> 0:25:07.040
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't like we were sitting in the studio trying

0:25:07.080 --> 0:25:08.679
<v Speaker 1>to figure anything out. Like I would come over there

0:25:08.680 --> 0:25:12.920
<v Speaker 1>at like seven eight o'clock at night. He'd have two

0:25:12.960 --> 0:25:14.639
<v Speaker 1>or three beats. I listened to him pick one and

0:25:14.680 --> 0:25:17.320
<v Speaker 1>pick two recorded and I go home and then we

0:25:17.359 --> 0:25:19.200
<v Speaker 1>had a project. So it was very easy.

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<v Speaker 2>The last time I saw you in the UK was

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<v Speaker 2>part of the Gorillas festival in Margate a few years

0:25:24.200 --> 0:25:26.240
<v Speaker 2>ago and I was like twenty seventeen something like that. Yeah,

0:25:26.280 --> 0:25:29.320
<v Speaker 2>you obviously performed. We collaborated and perform with Gorillas quite

0:25:29.359 --> 0:25:32.080
<v Speaker 2>a bit. How do you do you reflect on that experience?

0:25:32.119 --> 0:25:33.000
<v Speaker 2>What did you take away from that?

0:25:33.080 --> 0:25:34.960
<v Speaker 1>And it's a great experience growing up, you know, when

0:25:35.000 --> 0:25:38.080
<v Speaker 1>field Good was out and things of that nature. Of course,

0:25:38.160 --> 0:25:39.800
<v Speaker 1>you know Dame's done way more than that, but that's

0:25:39.840 --> 0:25:41.919
<v Speaker 1>you know, that was my reference point. It was just

0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:44.800
<v Speaker 1>interesting to be able to go there and be a

0:25:44.800 --> 0:25:46.439
<v Speaker 1>part of that and be on that stage. I understand

0:25:46.520 --> 0:25:48.399
<v Speaker 1>that these are once in lifetime opportunities like these are

0:25:48.440 --> 0:25:50.440
<v Speaker 1>not regular things. People don't get to just do these

0:25:50.480 --> 0:25:52.560
<v Speaker 1>things and you know, spend some time with Daylight. You

0:25:52.560 --> 0:25:56.800
<v Speaker 1>know Sims who was extremely extremely talented, like a good

0:25:56.800 --> 0:26:00.320
<v Speaker 1>friend of mine, like literally wanted a lifetime type person, talent,

0:26:00.400 --> 0:26:02.520
<v Speaker 1>all that stuff. Yeah, it was it was just fun

0:26:02.560 --> 0:26:03.720
<v Speaker 1>to be able to see these things, to go to

0:26:03.720 --> 0:26:06.359
<v Speaker 1>Brighton all the other places I've ever been before. I

0:26:06.400 --> 0:26:08.480
<v Speaker 1>had fun. I really enjoyed it, and it's and I

0:26:08.560 --> 0:26:09.840
<v Speaker 1>like doing the show where I don't have to really

0:26:09.880 --> 0:26:14.080
<v Speaker 1>do anything. I I gotta do one verse, so you know,

0:26:14.160 --> 0:26:16.000
<v Speaker 1>you get you get all the good stuff. Were touring

0:26:16.040 --> 0:26:19.399
<v Speaker 1>without having a practice really you know, things of that nature.

0:26:19.480 --> 0:26:20.879
<v Speaker 1>Just one verse a night, and I get to travel.

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<v Speaker 1>I like it a lot. My favorite thing about music

0:26:23.080 --> 0:26:24.560
<v Speaker 1>is being able to see places.

0:26:24.320 --> 0:26:26.359
<v Speaker 2>Four minutes every night and then you're done. You're out

0:26:26.480 --> 0:26:29.199
<v Speaker 2>exactly during your trips to Europe? Then what places and

0:26:29.400 --> 0:26:31.360
<v Speaker 2>people have sort of connected with you? Is there any

0:26:31.440 --> 0:26:33.600
<v Speaker 2>particular places you've been to where you thought, you know what?

0:26:33.680 --> 0:26:36.240
<v Speaker 2>I really like this. I could even like imagining myself

0:26:36.400 --> 0:26:39.200
<v Speaker 2>staying a bit longer, or living or just sort of

0:26:39.200 --> 0:26:41.520
<v Speaker 2>soaking up Europe specifically.

0:26:41.560 --> 0:26:43.520
<v Speaker 1>I really like I really like learning. I don't know

0:26:43.560 --> 0:26:45.760
<v Speaker 1>why either. Like I just like the way places look.

0:26:46.520 --> 0:26:49.639
<v Speaker 1>One of my my agent, Doug, had his wedding in

0:26:49.920 --> 0:26:53.919
<v Speaker 1>the countryside, so that was that was interesting over there.

0:26:53.960 --> 0:26:56.840
<v Speaker 1>I liked it. I'm just appreciated. It's not like I

0:26:56.840 --> 0:26:59.439
<v Speaker 1>look at places and I like them, Mark don't. I like.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't live in there. I live in like the

0:27:01.280 --> 0:27:04.159
<v Speaker 1>suburbs right now, like basically the middle of nowhere. I

0:27:04.200 --> 0:27:06.439
<v Speaker 1>don't like to go out and like I'm not like

0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:09.320
<v Speaker 1>a like a see person, Like I don't want to

0:27:09.359 --> 0:27:12.800
<v Speaker 1>be seeing type thing, So I don't. I L I L.

0:27:12.880 --> 0:27:15.080
<v Speaker 1>I like traveling and just seeing how people are living,

0:27:15.160 --> 0:27:17.800
<v Speaker 1>Like when I when I used to travel, obviously when

0:27:17.800 --> 0:27:19.520
<v Speaker 1>the schedule was a little bit more lenient because I

0:27:19.560 --> 0:27:23.000
<v Speaker 1>wasn't as successful. When I say self wasn't as big

0:27:23.000 --> 0:27:24.800
<v Speaker 1>of a artists. She was successful if your traveling, but

0:27:25.359 --> 0:27:27.040
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't as big of an artist, and I didn't

0:27:27.040 --> 0:27:29.040
<v Speaker 1>have as had people to schedule. When I would travel,

0:27:29.359 --> 0:27:31.360
<v Speaker 1>we would just like walk around and like just look

0:27:31.400 --> 0:27:33.520
<v Speaker 1>at stuff and like look at people and you know,

0:27:33.600 --> 0:27:35.560
<v Speaker 1>walk around and get lost. We were walking for hours

0:27:35.560 --> 0:27:38.600
<v Speaker 1>and like in in in in Ireland, we were walking

0:27:38.600 --> 0:27:40.880
<v Speaker 1>for hours in you know, Australia and shit like that.

0:27:40.960 --> 0:27:43.720
<v Speaker 1>So I really really really enjoyed just being able to

0:27:43.760 --> 0:27:45.919
<v Speaker 1>travel and see things and see how people live and

0:27:46.480 --> 0:27:48.439
<v Speaker 1>cause I like to look at the similarities more than

0:27:48.440 --> 0:27:51.000
<v Speaker 1>the differences because the similarities give you like a sort

0:27:51.080 --> 0:27:53.120
<v Speaker 1>a sort of comfort that kind of helps you while

0:27:53.160 --> 0:27:56.680
<v Speaker 1>you're creating. And yeah, that's yeah, that's definitely like, that's

0:27:56.680 --> 0:27:57.439
<v Speaker 1>what I like about it.

0:27:57.520 --> 0:27:58.920
<v Speaker 2>The bustle and way to get a word from me

0:27:58.960 --> 0:28:02.159
<v Speaker 2>about another British artist is that you worked with previously Sophie,

0:28:02.200 --> 0:28:05.600
<v Speaker 2>who obviously tragically passed at the beginning of this year,

0:28:05.640 --> 0:28:08.199
<v Speaker 2>and you work together on Big Fish Theory, and I

0:28:08.240 --> 0:28:11.600
<v Speaker 2>wondered if you had any reflections on Sophie's talents and

0:28:11.640 --> 0:28:13.879
<v Speaker 2>the impact that working with them left on you.

0:28:14.440 --> 0:28:16.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't think about Sofia. Sofie was a very very

0:28:16.880 --> 0:28:19.640
<v Speaker 1>unique person. My favorite thing about Sofie is how when

0:28:19.640 --> 0:28:21.560
<v Speaker 1>Sophie walked in the room, she wasn't like afraid to

0:28:23.480 --> 0:28:26.359
<v Speaker 1>like be Sophie. Like the funny thing about Solfi people

0:28:26.359 --> 0:28:29.439
<v Speaker 1>don't realize Sophie's like six ' five, Like Sophie's a

0:28:29.560 --> 0:28:32.040
<v Speaker 1>large human. So just to be six y five and

0:28:32.119 --> 0:28:35.600
<v Speaker 1>walk in a studio that's not even need to still

0:28:35.640 --> 0:28:38.760
<v Speaker 1>able to be in Australia when it's ninety degrees outside

0:28:38.760 --> 0:28:42.080
<v Speaker 1>in black leather bubble cod. I was like, who is

0:28:42.160 --> 0:28:46.240
<v Speaker 1>this crazy person that was? Sophie was just funny, Like

0:28:46.280 --> 0:28:49.400
<v Speaker 1>Sophie always had never go to sleep up all night,

0:28:49.680 --> 0:28:51.240
<v Speaker 1>call you to go to the studio at four o'clock

0:28:51.240 --> 0:28:52.800
<v Speaker 1>in the morning. It would be awake early, like being

0:28:52.800 --> 0:28:55.479
<v Speaker 1>Sophie became friends because you know, I would be up

0:28:55.480 --> 0:28:57.360
<v Speaker 1>early and I would call if the rooms are smaller

0:28:57.360 --> 0:29:00.920
<v Speaker 1>in Australia, like of course we're sticking and moving, so

0:29:00.960 --> 0:29:03.840
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't really matter, but I would be like upstairs

0:29:03.880 --> 0:29:05.800
<v Speaker 1>and like the balcony and like the lobbies super early,

0:29:05.880 --> 0:29:08.280
<v Speaker 1>like doing stuff better Internet type stuff, and.

0:29:08.280 --> 0:29:09.240
<v Speaker 2>So for be up there.

0:29:10.120 --> 0:29:12.800
<v Speaker 1>And I think Self is kind of surprised, never admitted,

0:29:12.840 --> 0:29:14.360
<v Speaker 1>but I think she was surprised that we knew if

0:29:14.360 --> 0:29:16.240
<v Speaker 1>she was or not that we knew, just that we

0:29:16.240 --> 0:29:18.480
<v Speaker 1>were like that we liked the things that we're done,

0:29:19.200 --> 0:29:21.280
<v Speaker 1>so you know, just having conversations and you know, talking

0:29:21.720 --> 0:29:24.600
<v Speaker 1>on the on the sideline, you know, just being you

0:29:24.640 --> 0:29:27.600
<v Speaker 1>know human, you know what I mean. We have to

0:29:28.160 --> 0:29:29.960
<v Speaker 1>we have to care about people, like I'm I'm a

0:29:30.120 --> 0:29:32.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm a nice person, you know, so I like try

0:29:32.480 --> 0:29:34.880
<v Speaker 1>to be at least for the most part. So and

0:29:34.920 --> 0:29:36.760
<v Speaker 1>Self is also a nice person. So that kind of

0:29:36.840 --> 0:29:39.080
<v Speaker 1>was just our connection. And then we only made two

0:29:39.120 --> 0:29:41.120
<v Speaker 1>songs and they both came out. So that was my

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<v Speaker 1>friend more than the collaborator, you know, email me randomly

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<v Speaker 1>and just check on me and you know, shit like that,

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<v Speaker 1>and I want to go see a lot of time

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<v Speaker 1>she that's time before last she was in LA she

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<v Speaker 1>was working on her last album. Yeah, just a just

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<v Speaker 1>a really really really good person, A really good person.

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<v Speaker 1>Ahldly good person is shees me hard interfestal somewhere. We're

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<v Speaker 1>at festival somewhere in like the South. Randomly I forgot

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<v Speaker 1>where it was and this motherfucker just got lost and

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<v Speaker 1>just popped back up in like four hours dancing saying

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<v Speaker 1>what she walked away like literal absolute crazy person. I

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<v Speaker 1>had a lot of appreciation, a lot of respect, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of admiration for it. And you know the things

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<v Speaker 1>that she did and self did a lot without talking

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<v Speaker 1>about it, if that makes sense, made a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>just covered a lot of ground and made a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of you know, strides towards things for herself and what

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<v Speaker 1>she believed it and what she represented her who she

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<v Speaker 1>identified as when it without making it something that was no,

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't. It was okay, this is my talent. But

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<v Speaker 1>also on the other hand, this is who I am.

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<v Speaker 1>It was never a marketing tool and as someone who

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<v Speaker 1>tries to do the same thing because I have all

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<v Speaker 1>these experiences, But I don't want you to look at

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<v Speaker 1>me and be like, oh, I'm happy for him. Let

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<v Speaker 1>me let me feel good for it because he made

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<v Speaker 1>it out with the hood or things that the nature.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like those kinds of things, like don't use

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<v Speaker 1>my circumstances as like a crutch for me, and so

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<v Speaker 1>as somebody who literally did not use anything as a crush.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, it wasn't always a bright day for Sophie.

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<v Speaker 1>Wasn't always a happy day for Selfie, but you know

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<v Speaker 1>she walked about right, she walking around like her chin

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<v Speaker 1>up at all times, like it was never any sort

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<v Speaker 1>of poured me. What about me is like when it

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<v Speaker 1>was time to make the music, when it was time

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<v Speaker 1>to perform the music, the music is all matter. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's something that I definitely, definitely, I definitely

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<v Speaker 1>respect and I've kind of learned a lot in the

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<v Speaker 1>times that we had known each other. So yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate Selfie a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for those words, Vince. I think that's like

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<v Speaker 2>a that's actually a spot on beautiful tribute to an

0:31:35.120 --> 0:31:37.320
<v Speaker 2>artist is a huge loss of the music scene. So

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate that and hard to talk about it not just

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<v Speaker 2>as a from Sophie's like artistic contribution, but also as

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<v Speaker 2>a friend as well. So thank you for that final question, Vince,

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<v Speaker 2>because I know you gotta be other places and do

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<v Speaker 2>other things. It's really just about how you think about

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<v Speaker 2>the future and what you see your vision for your creativity.

0:31:57.480 --> 0:31:59.080
<v Speaker 2>Like do you ever sit down and think, like what

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<v Speaker 2>will what will I be doing when I'm forty, Like

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<v Speaker 2>will I be working on TV shows and movies? Willlet's

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<v Speaker 2>still be making music? Do you ever allow yourself to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of think that far ahead? Are you much more

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<v Speaker 2>live in the moment, be kind of person.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, we definitely have like tentative plans as far

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<v Speaker 1>as like goals and things of that nature, which have

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<v Speaker 1>to plan things out in advents. But you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>kind of got to listen to life. You know, if

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<v Speaker 1>life throw something away, that might change the whole plan up,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. So just trying to, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just be open to listening to life. And also, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, just you know, just trying to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure that I have a planned, but I'm also like

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<v Speaker 1>open to change, and I think that's what keeps you

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<v Speaker 1>in this thing, you know, because I'm no matter what

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<v Speaker 1>I end up doing, I'm appreciative of my opportunities because

0:32:42.080 --> 0:32:44.600
<v Speaker 1>I was born in places like Void for the most part.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that's kind of how look at it.

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