1 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Psychology of Your Twenties, 2 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: the podcast where we talk through some of the big 3 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: life changes and transitions of our twenties and what they 4 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: mean for our psychology. Hello everybody, Welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the podcast. The listeners, O listeners, Wherever 6 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: you are in the world, you know n deal, It's 7 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: great to have you here. Thank you for tuning in. 8 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: Today we're talking about the myth of the five year plan. 9 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,599 Speaker 1: I feel like all of us have some idea of 10 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: what this means, you know, this sense that we need 11 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: to have some concrete vision for the next five years 12 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: of our lives. We need to know what we're doing, 13 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: what we're working towards, have some kind of goal. And 14 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: it's my belief that this idea of having a five 15 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: year plan, or even a ten year plan, is a 16 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: complete myth. And today I want to explain why, even 17 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: if you don't consciously realize it, from a very young age, 18 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 1: you have been sold a very narrow idea of what 19 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 1: your life should look like. And part of that narrative 20 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 1: is that you should have some sense of your life 21 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: plan and where you see yourself in five to ten 22 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: years as early as your twenties. For some people, I 23 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: think this checks out and they feel a sense of 24 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: comfort in the stability of having a blueprint for their 25 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 1: next steps in the next season of life. But I 26 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: am of the mindset that our twenties are not for planning. 27 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 1: They are for mistakes, and they are for discovery and 28 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: impulsive decisions and freedom, and the idea of a five 29 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: year plan really restricts that outlook. For a number of reasons. 30 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: I think firstly, it sells us this lie that we 31 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: can plan for the future, which we can't. Life is 32 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: full of uncertainty and change, especially during this decade, and 33 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 1: although this can feel really big and scary, it also 34 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 1: means that some of the most life changing and best 35 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: moments of your life are ahead, and they are going 36 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: to change what you want and what your definition of 37 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: success and happiness really is. You know, you may feel 38 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: like you are on one path now, but let me 39 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,959 Speaker 1: just say, what you wanted at eighteen, when you perhaps 40 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:35,399 Speaker 1: made that decision, when you decided what to study at UNI, 41 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: when you decided what your career would be, that is 42 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: very unlikely to be the same thing that you're going 43 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: to want at twenty five. There are so many things 44 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: we can never foresee or plan for, so you really 45 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: need to allow yourself room to be flexible. I think secondly, 46 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:59,119 Speaker 1: boxing ourselves in at such a young age can lead 47 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: us to make very emotional, unrealistic goals that just ultimately 48 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 1: leave us feeling like failures or on a path that 49 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: we actually don't really desire. You know, this creates a 50 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: lot of long term dissatisfaction and discontent because a lot 51 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: of our life plans are based on shoulds and not once. 52 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: You know, I should go to UNI, I should know 53 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: what I want to do by now. I should own 54 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: a home by thirty. I should be looking to settle down. 55 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: And I really disagree with that. I think that we 56 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: need to give ourselves time to explore what we actually 57 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: desire and want from our lives, and I think that 58 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: is an incredibly beneficial and empowering part of our twenties. 59 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: You know, at the end of the day, the five 60 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: year plan is a myth for so many reasons, and 61 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: we're going to discuss all of them. From the psychology 62 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: behind societal conventions of a traditional life, the theoretical concept 63 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: of the butterfly effect, smart versus hard goal, the just 64 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: overall generational shift towards a greater acceptance of alternative life paths, 65 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: and the psychological explanation for impulsive decisions. We really just 66 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: have so much to cover today. This episode is ridiculous. 67 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 1: There is just so much fascinating research and science and psychology. 68 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: I really, I'm so excited to get into it. So 69 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,919 Speaker 1: for all of my lovely listeners out there questioning what 70 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 1: they want from their future, where they're going to be 71 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 1: in five years, and trying desperately to plan out every 72 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: single move and countermove and change, this episode is for you. 73 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: We are going to break down all of the misconceptions 74 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 1: about the five year Plan and so much more so 75 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:54,679 Speaker 1: without further ado, let's get into it alrighty, Let's start 76 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: with our basics. For those of us who don't know 77 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: what a five year plan is. Essentially, it's this idea 78 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: of creating a map or an outline of the goals 79 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 1: professional and personal that we want to meet in the 80 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 1: next five years. It's very frequently used in organizational psychology 81 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: and self development as kind of a tool for essentially 82 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: treating our lives like a checklist. You know, become a 83 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: manager at twenty two, check buy a big house, check, 84 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: get married, check all of those things, and it really 85 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 1: pushes this narrative of a linear, cohesive ladder to success, 86 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: whereby if we have an idea of where we want 87 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: to be in five years, we can ultimately work backwards 88 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: to create strategies and targets for ourselves. Interestingly, and a 89 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: super weird history fact is that this concept of a 90 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: five year plan, it actually came from Soviet Russia and 91 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 1: Communist China. I know that is super strange, but back 92 00:05:55,600 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 1: in the nineteen twenties and thirties, essentially stalinided that he 93 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: wanted to transform what was then the Soviet Union, so 94 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: he created this infamous five year plan of every small 95 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: thing his country was going to achieve to become an 96 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:16,479 Speaker 1: industrial superpower. He had this vision of the next five 97 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: years for this nation, and that is kind of what 98 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: inspired the modern individual five year plan. Literally, Soviet Russia 99 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 1: so strange, but nowadays, obviously it has a completely different meaning. 100 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 1: And this idea of being able to consciously and deliberately 101 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: map out how lives has really begun to rise in popularity, 102 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: especially around points of critical change such as at the 103 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: end of high school, the end of university, and our 104 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 1: mid twenties and early thirties. It rests on this belief 105 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: that we can be forward focused and create a timeline 106 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: and steps around that timeline to achieve our goals. And 107 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: the limits of this plan are really endless, you know, 108 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 1: from planning out our finances to our professional goals, our 109 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: career ambitions, timelines for promotions and huge life changes like 110 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: moving cities, having children, anything we strive towards in life 111 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: we can put down into this plan or agender. And 112 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: I remember when I was in high school, I had 113 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: to do one of these, like they seem to be 114 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: a favorite of school and career counselors, and we had 115 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: to sit down with this diagram that was printed off 116 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: from the internet and write down where we would go 117 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: to university, what our dream job was, what city will 118 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: we be living in when we were like twenty three. 119 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: I think the people who are a big fan of 120 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: this method, they really highlight the benefit of a plan, 121 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: specifically one that is discrete, so five years or ten 122 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: years for creating a vision of your life, increasing motivation, 123 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: allowing us to stay aligned with our ambitions and ultimately 124 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:03,559 Speaker 1: lead a very happy, fulfilling life. And I won't deny 125 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: there has been some research that has shown that having 126 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: a sense of a plan may actually produce these outcomes. 127 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: You know, in psychology, visualization and planning activities are actually 128 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: an evidence based tool for increasing motivation and focus. There 129 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: was also this really unique study conducted by the University 130 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: of Melbourne and they examined almost I think it was 131 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: like four thousand people across fifteen years, and they found 132 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: that those who had clear cut goals, both short and 133 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: long term, they were happier than those who didn't. You know, 134 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: it makes sense, right, like a plan or some sense 135 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:47,599 Speaker 1: of direction does prevent us from living aimlessly. But sometimes 136 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:51,719 Speaker 1: I think we can be too stubborn and inflexible if 137 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: we begin to believe that we need to have everything 138 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: sorted and that we even know exactly what we want 139 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: from our lives at such a young age in our twenties. 140 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: I think also the sole premise of this idea is 141 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: that we can plan for the future, which I think 142 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: we all know we can't. No matter how hard you try, 143 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 1: life is going to throw you some wild curve balls, 144 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: and I think that's where the myth is contained. You 145 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: don't need to plan out your whole life to be happy. 146 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: I think additionally, feeling like you need to stick by 147 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: some plan or idea of success you had five years 148 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: ago or even a year ago, is such nonsense, especially 149 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: in our twenties. I think the blessing of this decade 150 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: is that you get to change and try new things. 151 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: It's not all about progress and goal setting. But I 152 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: do think that a lot of the pressure to have 153 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: some sense of a five year or ten year plan 154 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: for our lives comes from very traditional views and expectations 155 00:09:55,920 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: that have been imposed by previous generations due to deep 156 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: perception of the conventional, traditional way of doing things. I 157 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: talk about the concept of a linear blueprint a lot, 158 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: but I really do believe that a lot of what 159 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: we desire in life actually comes from external influences rather 160 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: than our own internal desires. For example, the desire to 161 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 1: have a certain job, to be married by a certain age, 162 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: to be a homeowner, to settle down, to live a 163 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: structured and organized life. That is a very outdated blueprint 164 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: that was created back when our worlds were a lot smaller, 165 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: when travel was a lot more expensive, when job opportunities 166 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: and career pathways were limited, when we often stayed in 167 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: the same place where we were born, when traditional gender 168 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: roles were a lot more powerful, and when we didn't 169 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: have social media and the internet to see what was 170 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: out there. And I think therefore the things that we 171 00:10:56,520 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: were told to plan and expect for they were limited 172 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: in many ways, and so were our lives. I think 173 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:09,199 Speaker 1: society still enforces this idea of a linear plan that 174 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 1: doesn't really leave much room for spontaneity and variation. It 175 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: can be very subtle, you know, think about all the 176 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: recent headlines basically like scorning millennials for getting married later, 177 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: or for not being able to purchase homes because they 178 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: are lazy or incapable of saving, or you know, for 179 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: being selfish because we don't want to have children. That 180 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: is literally a type of self power that is subtly 181 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: telling us what we should be doing and what we're 182 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: doing wrong. And the persistence of this idea, I think 183 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: it comes from a place of I don't know, I 184 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: think it comes from a good place, right, Like previous 185 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:51,959 Speaker 1: generations don't really understand the new opportunities that we have, 186 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: and they are resting their ideas on a sense of 187 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: security that is very outdated. But this persistence, this five 188 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: year plan idea, it really suggests that there is a 189 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: single right place where we should all end up. There 190 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: is a perfect timeline, There is a right level of 191 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: status in life, the right kind of levels of accomplishment, 192 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: and everything that falls beyond that is different and unconventional 193 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 1: and strange and perhaps even dangerous. As a result, we're 194 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 1: always going to be fixated on these milestones and this 195 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: imaginary deadline around what needs to be achieved by when. 196 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: But I think this negates, like I said, the beauty 197 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: of growth and change. We should really celebrate being able 198 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: to change our minds and let life surprise us, you know, 199 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: embracing that experience rather than fearing it. Let me just 200 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: also say, loud and clear, what you thought you wanted 201 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: at eighteen is not going to be what you want 202 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: at twenty three or thirty. Absolutely no way. When I 203 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,839 Speaker 1: was eighteen, I wanted to be a politician. I wanted 204 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: to be like prime minister, and I had a five 205 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: year plan. I even had a ten year plan, and 206 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: it involved, you know, getting perfect grades, graduating university by 207 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: twenty two with like a political science major, and then 208 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: I would get an internship and in five years time 209 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: I would be a political staffer, working my way up 210 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 1: that is ridiculous to me now because I have completely 211 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: different ambitions, and if I had stayed on that path, 212 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 1: if I had adhered to my original five year plan, 213 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: I would have missed out on so much. I would 214 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: have missed out on this and I can't really identify 215 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 1: when things changed. But there is this idea called the 216 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: butterfly effect that I think really explains that shift that 217 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: a lot of us go through so well. So the 218 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: butterfly effect, it's this theoretical concept which suggests that a small, 219 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: seemingly insignificant event or action can have far reaching and 220 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: unpredictable consequences over time. So the saying is derived from 221 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: like the metaphor of a butterfly flapping its wings in 222 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: one place and setting off a chain of events that 223 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: eventually kind of leads to a tornado, and it highlights 224 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: the idea that even minor actions or decisions can have 225 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:16,839 Speaker 1: profound and unanticipated effects. You know you are on one path, 226 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: and then you take a university course that changes your 227 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: entire perspective, or you meet someone in passing, you have 228 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: a chat with a friend, something pops up, some random opportunity, 229 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: and that one small thing can completely alter your plans 230 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: and these things are so tiny and at times insignificant 231 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: that we cannot plan for them, we cannot make them 232 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: part of our five year plan. And then they suddenly 233 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: change everything. They guide us onto a new path, and 234 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: you can consider them assigned from the universe or God, 235 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: or you're subconscious, whatever you want to call it. All 236 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: I'm saying is these smallest events can be life changing, 237 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: and ignoring the urge or the inspiration give you for 238 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: the sake of some arbitrary goal or plan may actually 239 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: be the worst choice of your life, you know. I 240 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: think another part of this is that, regardless of where 241 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: you'll think you'll end up, sometimes you will just have 242 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: an impulse to try something different. And psychologically this can 243 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: be due to feelings of dissatisfaction and unconscious discontent, or 244 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: just the desire for novelty and excitement. You know, humans, 245 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: we have this innate need for novelty and stimulation, for 246 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: thinking and doing things that are different and new, and 247 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: when our lives become routine or monotonous, we may experience 248 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: almost like this, craving for change and a new experience, 249 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: to move to an entirely new country, to quit our jobs, 250 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: to change career paths, and that could be the best 251 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: decision you ever made, That could be the start of 252 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: a whole new and improved life and future, one that 253 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: is a lot better for you. But you're not going 254 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: to know that unless you try, and that means breaking 255 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: out of the convention of feeling like you need to 256 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: plan for your future and you need a strict timeline 257 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: for your life, because I do believe that when you 258 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: feel that spark, you do have a duty to chase it, 259 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: and a five year plan or feeling like you are restricted, 260 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: doesn't really leave room for spontaneity. The other reason, an 261 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: element of why I think the idea of a five 262 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: year plan is not only a myth but kind of limiting, 263 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: is around the psychology of long term goal setting. Five 264 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: years is actually quite a long time. Not only can 265 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: a lot happen that is unexpected, but I think additionally 266 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: sometimes we forget how simultaneously long and short that period is. 267 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: As humans, we are not great at measuring time horizons, 268 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: and that can cause us to make unrealistic and superficial goals. 269 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: And I think that is especially the case in our twenties. 270 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: If you're in your earlier mid twenties, five years ago 271 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 1: you were still a teenager, and that feels like a 272 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: lifetime ago for many of us. But also five years 273 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: before that, you were a literal child. We don't really 274 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: know what five years feels like as an adult. We 275 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 1: don't really have the hindsight, I guess, or the experience 276 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: to know what we can actually accomplish in that time, 277 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,360 Speaker 1: to know what could happen. So we tend to go 278 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: into making a plan for our lives with a lack 279 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 1: of information, a lack of hindsight, I guess, but also 280 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: an emotional bias, which causes us to create very ambitious 281 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 1: goals because you know, the world is full of possibility 282 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: and we don't really have an understanding of reality yet. 283 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: But we don't also have an understanding of what we 284 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: actually want because we haven't had the chance to fail 285 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 1: and to try new things and to make mistakes. Let 286 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: me give an example here that really I think puts 287 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 1: this into perspective. Maybe in five years you imagine yourself 288 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 1: owning a home and working for yourself. That is a 289 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 1: super admirable vision. That's what I want to do at least, 290 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,199 Speaker 1: and it's good to have something to work towards. But 291 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: at twenty two, twenty three, twenty four. We still have 292 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: so much time for our lives to change. We don't 293 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 1: really have a grasp yet of maybe where we want 294 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:24,640 Speaker 1: to settle down. We may not realize just how hard 295 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: it is to be a homeowner, what that means for 296 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: our flexibility and our ability to travel, what that means 297 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 1: for our finances and our future. All we really think 298 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 1: about is the light at the end of the tunnel, 299 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: the really emotional, inspiring grand ambition. Often that also means 300 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,880 Speaker 1: that the goals that we place into our five year 301 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: or ten year plan are not structured in a way 302 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 1: that is actually going to guide us. There's this distinction 303 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: in psychology of smart versus hard goals. So smart is 304 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: actually an acronym for specific, achievable, relevant, and time bound. 305 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: These are the kinds of goals we should have, ones 306 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 1: that are realistic, clearly defined, with a clear direction and focus, 307 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 1: and also relevant. So relevancy here is important because who 308 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: can say what goals we have now are going to 309 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: be relevant for the life we want in five years? 310 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: You know, everything is kind of up in the air 311 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: a little bit in our twenties. That's a bit of 312 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: a sidebar, because regardless, I really do think smart goals 313 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: are the way to go, but we often engage in 314 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 1: a lot of delusional, fantasy, emotional thinking in our twenties, 315 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: and we can make what we call hard goals instead. 316 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: So hard stands for heartfelt, animated, required, and difficult. These 317 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: kinds of goals, they are still important, but they emphasize 318 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,360 Speaker 1: the kinds of ideas or visions we have that are 319 00:19:55,560 --> 00:20:00,919 Speaker 1: very emotional and can be quite challenging. Both are but 320 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: when we are smart about what we want, we prevent 321 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: that delusional thinking. We are realistic, and I guess we 322 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,679 Speaker 1: don't set ourselves up to be putting ourselves on a 323 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 1: timeline that is a lot of pressure, or that's going 324 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: to put us in a place that we don't actually 325 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: want to be. I think when we absent mindedly concoct 326 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: a plan for our lives without actually having concrete steps, 327 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: we overestimate exactly what we will be able to achieve. 328 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 1: And these kinds of goals are very difficult to follow, 329 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 1: resulting in kind of a sense of failure but also 330 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: a sense of pressure. In the meantime, when we haven't 331 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: actually failed, we've just let ourselves be flexible and we 332 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: have embraced the twists and turns of life. You know, 333 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:48,120 Speaker 1: life is not static, it's never going to be the same. 334 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: But also I personally believe that our five year plans, 335 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,120 Speaker 1: like I said before, have us focused on the shoulds 336 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: and not the wants in life. You know, I should 337 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 1: do things. I should have a long term part narration, 338 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: should have found my dream job instead of the wants. 339 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: You know, I want to have time to explore. I 340 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: want to travel, I want to try new things before settling. 341 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: Our wants are normally not as celebrated as our shoulds, 342 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: and that's disappointing, especially as this generation becomes, i would say, 343 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: a lot more liberated and open minded in their ideas 344 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: of what constitutes a good life. So I really want 345 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: to talk about that a bit more in just a second. 346 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: Five year plans and all structured thinking about the future 347 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 1: is something I think in general needs to be avoided 348 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 1: because we don't want to, like I said, box ourselves 349 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: into one idea of happiness and the future that leaves 350 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 1: us unresponsive to change and new goals and new ideas. 351 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: I think in the past, as we described, our society 352 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: has really reprimanded people who have gone again the fold 353 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:06,360 Speaker 1: in so many ways but that is really changing these days, 354 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 1: especially in this younger generation. The example, I always think about, 355 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys are on this algorithm 356 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 1: as well, but I'm always seeing like these amazing like 357 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 1: solo female travelers, and like everyone is like hyping them up. 358 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: There seems to be this like praise for people who 359 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: are doing things that against that are against the norm, 360 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: and there is such a revolt amongst this generation of working, 361 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 1: you know, the same job for the rest of our 362 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: lives and needing to do things a certain way. Like 363 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 1: I really feel like the people in my life who 364 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 1: I really admire the most of people who decide to 365 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: change their minds. Like one of my friends is like 366 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: upping her entire life moving to like like an island 367 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 1: off of Australia, and not one of them is like 368 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: moving to the UK. She doesn't really have a plian 369 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: she just like wants to do it, and that's totally 370 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: different to what she was doing before, like working in government. 371 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: It's just nowadays, I do think there is a greater 372 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 1: acceptance because US gen zers and millennials are really beginning 373 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: to exhibit a shift in attitudes towards a traditional life 374 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 1: and a life plan. I think for a number of reasons, 375 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: we have grown up in a very rapidly changing economic 376 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:23,719 Speaker 1: landscape marked by financial instability, job market fluctuations, the global 377 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 1: financial crisis. You know, we've witnessed recessions, we've witnessed student 378 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: loan debt, and limited job opportunities. This exposure has really 379 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: led us to question the traditional notion that a five 380 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,919 Speaker 1: year plan is in some ways going to protect us 381 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:43,679 Speaker 1: or make us feel more secure. We're just rejecting that blueprint. 382 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,199 Speaker 1: I think we also have a desire to explore and 383 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 1: connect and find meaningful work and experiences, which I think 384 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: is a luxury that previous generations, particularly like our grandparents, 385 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: didn't have, and that is so wonderful, and I want 386 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: to say, see more of that, more freedom to actually 387 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 1: figure yourself out before being tied down to some future 388 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 1: that we felt like we had to decide for ourselves, 389 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 1: often when we were still in high school or like 390 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: our very very early twenties. But I'm also not saying, 391 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: you know, go out and chase everything on a whim. 392 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 1: Having some general sense of direction is always a good idea. 393 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: You know, you should be constantly revising that and exploring 394 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: that and reflecting on what's going to make you happy. 395 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: You know, I did a whole episode on building consistency 396 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 1: because I think it's important, and I also think there 397 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: are some people that just naturally thrive within structure and 398 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 1: through planning. You know, the very colloquial term for these 399 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: people in psychology is type A people who like routine 400 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,919 Speaker 1: and to be organized and future focused and set goals 401 00:24:55,920 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: for themselves. These people just naturally have a very different temperament. 402 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: And I'm definitely one of these people, or I used 403 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: to be, I think in those situations, and if you 404 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: are that kind of person, and you know that's your personality, 405 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: a five year plan or any kind of blueprint or 406 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 1: timeline brings a sense of security, especially to the chaos 407 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: of our twenties, which I think is why we often 408 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: have so much anxiety over the future and where it's going, 409 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: and we kind of resort to feeling like we can 410 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,679 Speaker 1: plan out every single king can change and everything that 411 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: we want to do. That provides this I think it 412 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:39,120 Speaker 1: provides a sense of security, but it's kind of a fantasy, right. 413 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: I think it relieves and releases our anxiety in the moment, 414 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: but that's like the only benefit because very few of 415 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 1: us will actually stick to that plan, and I think 416 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 1: those of us who do might find that it actually 417 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: is more restrictive than just feeling a little bit anxious 418 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: or worried. Sometimes, you know, and there are certain jobs 419 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 1: that it is applicable for. You know, if you want 420 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: to be a lawyer or a doctor, well, there are 421 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: definitely some structured hoops that you need to get through 422 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 1: and you don't want to lose side of what may 423 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 1: be a huge goal for you. I think also being 424 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: able to visualize and map out your progress towards this 425 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: end goal is highly valuable. But I think the better 426 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: thing to do, and the journey and the path to 427 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 1: take that is more healthy and abundant and provides you 428 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 1: more room for growth, is to leave room for mistakes. 429 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: When you think about the future, you might have a vision, 430 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 1: but instead of focusing on what material things you'll have, 431 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: what accomplishments you'll have achieved by then, think about how 432 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: you feel in that moment. Think about how you're going 433 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,880 Speaker 1: to feel in five years. Do you want to be 434 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: someone who is happy? And what does happiness look like 435 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: for you in that moment? Does it look like peace 436 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: and quiet or does it look like extraversion and excitement 437 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 1: and socializing and networking. That is a better way to 438 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,399 Speaker 1: structure your goals rather than feeling like there are a 439 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: series of hoops and checklists that you need to tick 440 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 1: off if you're going to reach a future that you 441 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: actually desire. You know, leave room for surprises. Reinforce that 442 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: it's okay to change your mind. It's okay to do 443 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 1: something different, even if it's not what everyone else is doing, 444 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 1: even if it's not what your parents told you should 445 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,640 Speaker 1: do or society told you should do what you never 446 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: thought you'd be doing. Sometimes that's where the greatest growth 447 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 1: kind of happens. And a five year plan, no five 448 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: year plan, ten year plan, no plan at all. You 449 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: know my opinion, I do still think that you are 450 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: going to be okay. We as a species are highly adaptive. 451 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: We know how to survive and at any point you 452 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: can get back onto a very concrete part if that's 453 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 1: the kind of path that you want, you know, I 454 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: guess the message at the end of the day. The 455 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: reason a five year planner is a myth is because 456 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: it doesn't allow for change, and change is the biggest 457 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: and most important element and characteristic of our twenties. So 458 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: I really hope that if you're someone who is worrying 459 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: about your future, trying very hard to contain or control 460 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 1: every single circumstance, this episode has kind of helped you 461 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 1: release some of that anxiety and be more comfortable with 462 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,360 Speaker 1: that uncertainty. You don't have to have everything sorted out. 463 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: I definitely don't. I don't really know anyone in my 464 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: life who does. So I just hope you enjoyed this episode. 465 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: I hope you learned something. 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