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Speaker 1: and notes from the guys who covered the teams. Rilled

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Speaker 1: by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling. Bring it on, bring

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Speaker 1: it on. Slam the ground by foota baker like a torpedo.

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Speaker 1: He came flying into the backfield. I scared of nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic. All I know is that the two

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Speaker 1: thousand and twenty one NFL Draft gentlemen had a run

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Speaker 1: on wait for it, long snappers. We had a run

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Speaker 1: on long snappers in the sixth round. And with that

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Speaker 1: being the case, I don't want to hear any blowback

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Speaker 1: or lashback of any sort about yours truly advocating for

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Speaker 1: a punter in round seven when we got a run

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Speaker 1: on long snappers in round six. And that is my

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Speaker 1: intro into Cardinals Underground. I'm already on the defense. Ve

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Speaker 1: over here poly podcast Darren Urban and Kyle Ordergard all

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. I think that's a fair concern of yours, Paul.

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Speaker 1: I don't think either one of us, Kyle or I

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Speaker 1: take back anything that we might have done to cast

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Speaker 1: dispersions on your decision to possibly draft a punter. But

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Speaker 1: I think it's fair that you bring up the fact

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Speaker 1: that there were some long snappers. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: those teams were necessarily doing, but there were two, Darren,

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Speaker 1: there were two long snappers drafted within four picks of

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Speaker 1: each other late in the sixth round. The first one

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Speaker 1: actually wasn't even that late in the sixth round. There

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Speaker 1: was a long snapper taken before the Cardinals, So take Gowen.

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Speaker 1: I mean, and his name is Thomas Fletcher, just so

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Speaker 1: you familiarize yourself. It was one of like seventy guys

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Speaker 1: drafted out of Alabama when BAMA even has its long

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Speaker 1: snapper drafted, and then he gets on the phone with

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Speaker 1: Matt Rule and they sent out the video. Did you

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Speaker 1: see it? In His quote was to Matt Rule quote,

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Speaker 1: Am I ready, I'll walk by happy ass to Carolina

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Speaker 1: right now? Dude? That was the quote from a long snapper.

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Speaker 1: To be honest, I was a little upset about that

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Speaker 1: was the best phone call of the draft when a

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Speaker 1: coach called the player. And hopefully many of the people

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Speaker 1: chance to see and hear the Zaven Collins phone call

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Speaker 1: with Steve Kin. Obviously I'm biased, but I feel like

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Speaker 1: there's no way that gets topped. I don't care if

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Speaker 1: it's a long snapper being surprised that he's getting drafted. Kyle.

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Speaker 1: If form holds, you'll pick a third call. You want

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Speaker 1: to agree with either me or Darren. So, I don't

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Speaker 1: if you want to comment on Thomas Fletcher, who once

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Speaker 1: again is not your financial advisor. He's the long snapper

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Speaker 1: You want a name, how about Cameron Cheeseman out of

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Speaker 1: did you say Thomas Fletcher went ahead of Tay Gowen

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Speaker 1: Take Owen if he becomes a starter in this league

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Speaker 1: at some point, that's tremendous value. In the sixth round.

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Speaker 1: To your point, Kyle, the Arizona Cardinals got James Wiggins

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Speaker 1: so you never know. But yeah, for real, Yeah for real,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't lie to you, Paul, but I did not

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Speaker 1: I mean, they try to replace Mike Leach. They had

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Speaker 1: there was a handful of not good snaps at the

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Speaker 1: there's no need to spend draft capital on a long snapper.

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Speaker 1: So what else, Kyle? What's before we get into the

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Speaker 1: players of Cardinals took away from the twenty twenty one draft,

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Speaker 1: any big picture takeaways for you? Yeah, I mean, I'm

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Speaker 1: excited on Thursday. Well, you know, the board just sort

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Speaker 1: got thumped. They got trumped, they got bamboozled. It was

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Speaker 1: too obvious what they wanted, what they needed. Teams moved

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Speaker 1: so obvious there, Jara, in that Cowboys war room because

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Speaker 1: felt like, as the draft got close, that was kind

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Speaker 1: It's it's it's an interesting draft. For my My big

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Speaker 1: kind of in wait and see mode what he looks

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Speaker 1: like in coverage. The running thing, I think he will

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Speaker 1: help the run. I just don't put a lot of

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Speaker 1: stock in stopping the run. I don't think winning defensively

431
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Speaker 1: in the NFL in twenty twenty one will be stopping

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Speaker 1: the run. So yeah, it's it's a help, but in

433
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Speaker 1: the first round, I'm not prioritizing a guy that can

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Speaker 1: stop the run. I think there's more important aspects to

435
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Speaker 1: a defender when you're looking at how good these teams

436
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Speaker 1: are at passing, and we'll see how quickly he does

437
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Speaker 1: get it. I think the thing was right on Paul,

438
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Speaker 1: where if he has these natural instincts that can make

439
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Speaker 1: up for that slight disadvantage in forty yard dash, speed,

440
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,360
Speaker 1: and he'll need to have that in order to cover

441
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Speaker 1: these guys because he needs to know what's going on,

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Speaker 1: where they're gonna go, what type of routes he's going

443
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Speaker 1: to be getting, and if he's there, and from an

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Speaker 1: intelligence perspective, that's a big boost. You can tell when

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Speaker 1: Steve Kim talks about Zavin Collins that he sees the

446
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Speaker 1: all around game. I mean, I think you can see

447
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Speaker 1: that he could be good against the run. I agree

448
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,440
Speaker 1: with Kyle that would be down on my priority list

449
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 1: in terms of a first round pick and an inside linebacker.

450
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Speaker 1: But what's the most memorable Steve Kim quote about Zaven

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Speaker 1: Collins that came out of those first couple of days.

452
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Speaker 1: To me, it was when he said, with Isaiah Simmons,

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Speaker 1: you got a couple of trees right there in the middle,

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Speaker 1: with Isaiah Simmons being six four and Zaven Collins being

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Speaker 1: six five or six four and a half or whatever

456
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Speaker 1: he is, and with some with some arm length. That's

457
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Speaker 1: even if they're just patrolling in a zone in the middle,

458
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Speaker 1: that's that's a tough way to go about your business,

459
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 1: trying to throw it on the middle with those two guys.

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Speaker 1: And I think Ultimately, it is going to be the

461
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Speaker 1: past defense that's going to mean the most to this team,

462
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Speaker 1: and that's where they're hoping they're going to get the most.

463
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Speaker 1: And the other thing I would add too is in

464
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Speaker 1: terms of the impact Zavin Collins can have right away.

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Speaker 1: I mean, first, I think you have to. I mean,

466
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Speaker 1: Divider Campbell, I don't think it's coming back, so ISAI.

467
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Speaker 1: This is Isaiah Simmons job. He better be ready from jump.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't have any excuses right now. Zaven Collins, you

469
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Speaker 1: do still have Jordan Hicks. I'm not going to put

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Speaker 1: it past a guy like Jordan Hicks who knows the

471
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Speaker 1: game so well to up his game knowing that his

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Speaker 1: time here probably is coming to an end, even if

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Speaker 1: it's not this season, after this season, because they just

474
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Speaker 1: drafted his replacement and that's been made fairly clear for

475
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Speaker 1: him to up his game at the same time that

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Speaker 1: Zaven Collins is still kind of learning. I mean, if

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Speaker 1: Jordan Hicks plays at the outside of the season, that

478
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Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily mean Zaven Collins was bad. It might mean

479
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Speaker 1: that Jordan Hicks played really well. But but you do

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Speaker 1: have that kind of fallback position where you can't use

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Speaker 1: Jordan Hicks in certain situations. You know, by the way,

482
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Speaker 1: a note to self, when we're in the middle of

483
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Speaker 1: July and we need a topic for a podcast, we're

484
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Speaker 1: gonna like get so into it on whether stopping the

485
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Speaker 1: run is still important or not. Just file that away.

486
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Speaker 1: That's a whole other podcast. I want piece of both

487
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Speaker 1: of you on that topic. Anyway, when it comes to

488
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Speaker 1: Zaban Collins, my final thought and I just throw this

489
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Speaker 1: out there because you never know when this NFL draft stuff.

490
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 1: It's like Wall Street. Pass performance is no indicator of

491
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Speaker 1: future results. And when I was trying to figure out,

492
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Speaker 1: all right, wait a minute, that he won the Chuck

493
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Speaker 1: Bednrik he won the Bronco Nurgerski. What are those awards again?

494
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Speaker 1: And I clicked on him for a quick definition and

495
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 1: then you see they go to the top defenders in

496
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Speaker 1: college football and you look through it and you go, oh, yeah,

497
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Speaker 1: Luke Keikley won the Broncho Nagurski Award. That's outstanding. Okay,

498
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: you know, Cardinals could definitely use a Luke Keikley. And

499
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Speaker 1: then you realize, guess who else won the Bronnergersky Award?

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Speaker 1: Scooby Wright as an inside linebacker, So it could be

501
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Speaker 1: either war, you never know, you never quite know. And

502
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 1: with that in mind, the Cardinals obviously focused on defense

503
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Speaker 1: with a number of their picks. And we'll get to

504
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Speaker 1: the corners in a minute. How about a quick word,

505
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 1: Kyle and Victor. Dmokg is what we're gonna go with

506
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Speaker 1: the defensive end slash outside linebacker. Who's going to project

507
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Speaker 1: to that? In the NFL nearly six two two sixty two.

508
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Speaker 1: Here's my favorite stat on Demokg. And notice I'm not

509
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Speaker 1: calling him vic. I do not fear the last name

510
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Speaker 1: that as a seventeen year old in high school he

511
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: bench pressed two hundred and twenty five pounds thirty two

512
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Speaker 1: times as a seventeen year old in high school. That's absurd,

513
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Speaker 1: can't we If we're going to struggle pronouncing his name,

514
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Speaker 1: why why can we just go with Marcus Golden two

515
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Speaker 1: point zero? I mean, isn't that basically what we're looking

516
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Speaker 1: at here? Well, Marcus already likes to refer to himself

517
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Speaker 1: in the first person, especially in those wired segments, so

518
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Speaker 1: I don't know, it feels like we're approaching a little

519
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: bit on his personal property. Fair that's fair. I will

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00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: say that I did notice the Marcus Golden thing when

521
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Speaker 1: you first saw him. And look, he's a guy with

522
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Speaker 1: the high motor, and he did have some production. I mean,

523
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Speaker 1: he wasn't getting twenty sacks out there a year, but

524
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Speaker 1: he had seven sacks and eight sacks and you're not

525
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: bringing them in probably to be you know, a major starter.

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Speaker 1: He's a guy who might be a rotation guy off

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Speaker 1: the edge, but he's a guy you're gonna probably like

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Speaker 1: to have in your locker room. He went to Duke.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's got to be smart. You know, he's

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Speaker 1: got to be strong. Those guys, especially in the sixth round,

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Speaker 1: you need those guys too. I think when you take, yeah,

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Speaker 1: when you take a sixth round outside linebacker, it means

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Speaker 1: that they they're missing something. Because edge rushers are so

534
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 1: prevalent and so wanted in the NFL that guys are

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Speaker 1: going to take them early if they feel like they

536
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Speaker 1: have some significant upside. And being a bit smaller, not

537
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: having the off the charts production, you can see why

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Speaker 1: he was available in the six round. And now you

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Speaker 1: just want him to be such a hard worker and

540
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: have that motor that he can become a rotational type

541
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Speaker 1: guy and maybe specific situations, but we'll see. I mean,

542
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Speaker 1: I think he's got a lot to prove. And this

543
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: year they have so many outside linebackers that I'd be

544
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: very surprised if you had any sort of significant role.

545
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 1: But if you can sit and learn for a season

546
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 1: and try to figure out where your niches in the NFL,

547
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: it's possible. But all these late round guys, I feel

548
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: like the first thing they have to do is make

549
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: the team, and then once you make the team, see

550
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Speaker 1: if you can carve out some sort of role. Well,

551
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Speaker 1: Marcus Golden was a former second round pick, so that

552
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,239
Speaker 1: saw our segue into the second round this year. And

553
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Speaker 1: speak into the weight room, do you guys see the

554
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Speaker 1: video of the fine, diminutive American Rondale Moore as a

555
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: freshman at Purdue squatting six hundred pounds and they list

556
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: him at five seven eighty one. So yeah, that's called

557
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: having a strong base underneath you. I mean again, when

558
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: we were circling back to the measurables, and Rondel Moore

559
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: did have a lot of production again in basically one year,

560
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Speaker 1: one full year of football without the injuries, but he

561
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Speaker 1: had some amazing measurables, just like some of these other

562
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Speaker 1: guys did, and now he's done it. When he's on

563
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: the field, you've really seen it show up a lot

564
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: time and time again, and it was a spot. Look,

565
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Speaker 1: they're not going to say this right now, but all

566
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Speaker 1: I could think when they took home was, unfortunately, Indy

567
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: Isabella hasn't worked out, and we need a guy to

568
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Speaker 1: do that role. And you mentioned earlier the measurables were

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Speaker 1: a lot like Indy Isabella. I'm not saying they're the

570
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Speaker 1: exact same player, but I feel like for this team,

571
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Speaker 1: you have a one role for a guy like that,

572
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Speaker 1: and it's you're not gonna have multiple people. And in fact,

573
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Speaker 1: Christian Kirk probably felt that pick pretty hard too, And

574
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Speaker 1: it's just funny this team continue has used second round

575
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Speaker 1: picks over the last four years now on three of

576
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Speaker 1: these similar type receivers. I know they're probably hoping that

577
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Speaker 1: this one really hits, because you got to get one

578
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Speaker 1: of these right. And I think one of Steve Kim's

579
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Speaker 1: biggest strengths is realizing that he has sunk costs and

580
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Speaker 1: not to worry about it. Yeah, Rondale Moore and Andy

581
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: Isabella do have very similar measurables, similar size, but you're

582
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Speaker 1: not sitting here hoping that Andy Isabella works out in

583
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Speaker 1: his third season because you haven't seen it yet. And

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Speaker 1: I give him props for grabbing another prospect that looks

585
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Speaker 1: similar that a lot of fans are gonna say it's

586
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Speaker 1: Andy Isabella two point zero and this isn't gonna work.

587
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: But it's clearly a different player completely and one who

588
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Speaker 1: maybe has more of that short area quickness. I think

589
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Speaker 1: we know that Andy Isabella has the long speed, but Rondelle,

590
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Speaker 1: Rondelle Moore feels like that guy who you can get

591
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: the ball to on bubble screens and jet sweeps and

592
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: maybe has just that more instinctual feel for the game

593
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: on those type of plays in addition to the long speed.

594
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Speaker 1: So I agree that they still need that guy on

595
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: offense and they've been searching for him, but they haven't

596
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: found it yet because Andy Isabella hasn't worked out, and

597
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: I think he's a little bit different than Christian Kirk.

598
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: I think Christian Kirk has more of an all around

599
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: receiver game to him, doesn't have that blinding elite speed.

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Speaker 1: So I do think they can coexist in this offense

601
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: where you have a set play list for Rondelle Moore,

602
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: you get him in the game, maybe you give him

603
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: four or five touches on offense, get him the punt

604
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: and kick return stuff. It might not be a bunch

605
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: right away, but I do think they're going to try

606
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: a lot of things to get him involved early if

607
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: he shows that explosion in camp. And I agree, I'm

608
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Speaker 1: not saying Isabella is the one that really brought up

609
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Speaker 1: my think and the Christian Kirk thing is a different

610
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: thing other than the fact that Christian Kirk's going into

611
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: the final year of his contract and you don't know

612
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: exactly where that's going to go going forward. But I

613
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Speaker 1: you know, look, I asked Cliff Kingsbury about the tight

614
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: end situation and if that was lower on the priority

615
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: list for this team because of how they run things,

616
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: and his first words were, well, I wouldn't necessarily say that,

617
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Speaker 1: But then he went on to say how much ten

618
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Speaker 1: personnel they use, how much ten personnel he likes to use,

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Speaker 1: and getting the best four guys on the field, And

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Speaker 1: I do think there is a part of them that

621
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Speaker 1: very much likes the idea. And with all due respect

622
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Speaker 1: to Ron Wolfley and how this offense is supposedly gonna

623
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Speaker 1: like have this tetonic change, the shift change in the

624
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: plates of the world with running the game and being

625
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: forceful and everything. And I'm like, I love Wolf, but

626
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, I think Cliff Kingsbury wants to run out

627
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins and Rondale Moore and Christian Kirk and AJ

628
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: Green and do some things, and he wants to get

629
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Speaker 1: better in the run game. But I don't think there's

630
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Speaker 1: going to be any kind of significant change. I just

631
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: don't because that's the coach. You have a Wolf. There

632
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: ain't no fullback walking through that front door. Peace. Let's

633
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: get that through your head. And I agree with you

634
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Speaker 1: the fact that in his very first draft, the Cardinals

635
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: went after Andy Isabella in round two, and now two

636
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: years later they go after Rondale Moore because they don't

637
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: draft Rondale Moore if Andy Isabella pans out, if Isabella

638
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: was productive, and I agree with you. Nobody's told me this,

639
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Speaker 1: most definitely not Cliff Kingsbury, but I'm guessing that he's

640
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Speaker 1: in that war room and he's talking to Steve Khime

641
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Speaker 1: and they're having some high level meetings and there's some serious,

642
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: significant discussion about how important that sort of player is

643
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: to the overall success of his offensive scheme as he

644
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: envisions it as the play caller, as the play designer,

645
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: they need that sort of guy to be the guy.

646
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: It was pretty noticeable to me that there wasn't a

647
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: ton of jet motion and that sort of thing last season,

648
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: and I just don't think you had that guy. Christian

649
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: Kirk could do it a little bit, but he wasn't

650
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: the type of game breaker in that situation where it

651
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: totally scared the defenses. Andy Isabella wasn't scaring defenses because

652
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: he hadn't shown it. And if you can add that,

653
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: I Candy going horizontal, you can do some extra stuff.

654
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: And I think Cliff Kingsbury would like to go ten personnel,

655
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: but we've clearly seen that he hasn't had four receivers

656
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: that deserve that type of playing time in the first

657
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: two years, and we're at the point where sometimes we

658
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 1: haven't had three receivers where it felt like all these

659
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: guys are threats at times. So I think they're trying

660
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: to boost that up. And it will be interesting if

661
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: aj Green can rebound a bit from last season, and

662
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,720
Speaker 1: if Rondale More can hit the ground running as a rookie,

663
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,479
Speaker 1: then maybe you do have the four guys, you want

664
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,479
Speaker 1: to spread it out and do some different things. And yeah,

665
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: at his core, I think Cliff Kingsbury would love to

666
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 1: do that stuff. Put Rondale more in motion, make the

667
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: defense wonder what's going to happen, be quick hitting. And

668
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: to his credit, he didn't do that last season and

669
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen because he didn't have the personnel. But I

670
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 1: feel like they are trying to push for that, trying

671
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: to find it so they can really unlock this offense.

672
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: You guys remember the Cardinal's most recent trip to Kansas City.

673
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: It was Patrick mahomes second season, his MVP season. I've

674
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 1: never seen a defense just being on the sideline react

675
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: to a speed guy like the Cardinals defense would lose

676
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: their mind. When Tyreek Hill went in motion. The entire

677
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: defense would react. It was, I mean, you want a

678
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: seismic ship. You went the San Andreas and I was

679
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: in the seven point one Lomer preat earthquake. We can

680
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: do another podcast in that circa nineteen eighty nine, October seventeenth,

681
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: five or four pm, and I ran from my life

682
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: out of a safeway. It was an absolute earthquake. Every

683
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: time Tyreek Hill went in motion and it impacted virtually

684
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: every guy in that defense. They were totally aware of

685
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: where he was, and the Chiefs did a masterful job

686
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: of using that to their advantage. They whether they gat

687
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: it to him or the illusion of getting it to him,

688
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: that illusion of complexity or whatever the term was, going

689
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Speaker 1: back a couple of years of Cliff Kingsbury, that's Rondale

690
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: Moore as they envisioned it. But the best thing I

691
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 1: heard out of that war room about the Cardinal's second

692
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: round pick out of Purdue was in the all access

693
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: coverage that the Cardinals put out, and there's gonna be

694
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Speaker 1: a ton of it in the upcoming flight plan. When

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00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury turned to Steve come and said, he's a

696
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: dog because to be that size and to excel even

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00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: with all that speed, you gotta be that guy. You

698
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: have to be tenacious, you have to be ferocious. I remember,

699
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: almost a decade ago Cardinals had a free agent slot

700
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: receiver similar size five eight, five nine. He had some

701
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: quicks to him, and there was a little bit of

702
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: buzz early in camp. I don't remember the guy's name

703
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: because he'd ever made it out of the preseason, but

704
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: there was a long time Cardinals defender who said, Paul Pencilna,

705
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: don't even go there with any sort of comparison to

706
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: any of the greats, like the New England and a

707
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: slot guy whose name escaped me, who just retired, well

708
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: smallker at the time, but there was also who was

709
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: the guy just Juliana thank you, and he said, Julian

710
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: Edelman will tear your face off once the game starts.

711
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: He will fight you to the death. He's that kind

712
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: of guy, and you better be that kind of guy

713
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: to excel. That's that sort of size and speed in

714
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: the NFL, and this particular player didn't have it. He

715
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: didn't make it out of camp. And to hear that

716
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:30,280
Speaker 1: Rondel Moore is that sort of fierce competitor that honestly,

717
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: more than anything, gives me hope that he could develop

718
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: into that sort of player, because we've seen guys with

719
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 1: some of the speed, but on game day they're minimized

720
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: or neutralized, so we'll see. All I know is that

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00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 1: in his freshman year he was a first team All American. Legit,

722
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: he was the Big ten receiver of the year. So

723
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: it goes beyond the measurables and the speed and the

724
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: three calling anything else. You have the weight room stuff.

725
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: He has been productive as a player at a high

726
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: level amongst some of the best in college football. And

727
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,720
Speaker 1: you can only hope that obviously translates because the Cardinals

728
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: haven't been able to get that in the last three

729
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: four years. It's the two things you just mentioned, both

730
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: really good points. Although I can let Kyle handle the

731
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: dog part because the part that really caught my ear

732
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: was the first part where you're talking about the Kansas

733
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: City offense and watching it and I know that I

734
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: don't have in front of me, but I know a

735
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: lot of the people that measure this stuff said that

736
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: the Cardinals are one of those teams that does not

737
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 1: actually use a lot of pre snap motion and a

738
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: lot of during the you know, motion during the snap.

739
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: And you wonder how much of that is what Cliff

740
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Speaker 1: Kingsbury has in the playbook. And you wonder how much

741
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: of that is you just don't have the guys, And

742
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 1: I'll be very curious because this is the perfect the

743
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: perfect guy to drop into something like that. I mean,

744
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 1: people are making the Tyreek Hill comparisons in terms of

745
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 1: some of his measurables, his speed, his vertical leap, he's

746
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,240
Speaker 1: obviously a little shorter than Tyreek Hill, and certainly nobody

747
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: is sitting here saying that this guy is gonna be

748
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill two point Oh. We don't know that, and

749
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: that's not fair because Tyreek Hill is one of the

750
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: best players in this league. But if he can become

751
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: that guy where like Tyreek Hill, he's coming across the

752
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 1: line of scrimmages, the ball snapped and half your defense

753
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: is staring at him to see if he gets the ball,

754
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: and you buy that millisecond of time that would to me,

755
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: that changes so much in a good way for the

756
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: Cardinals offense. And performing at a young age, I think

757
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 1: is an important thing that you brought up, Paul. When

758
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 1: you do that stuff as a freshman, I don't know

759
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: if he was eighteen or nineteen at the time, but

760
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: when you're playing against twenty one twenty two year old

761
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 1: opponents in a big conference like that, that to me

762
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 1: is very impressive. And you look and when you look

763
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: at the draft and every sport, teams really prioritize what

764
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: you do at a certain age. And Rondelle Moore got

765
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: hurt and kind of had the half opt out thing,

766
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: so he didn't play a bunch the last two seasons,

767
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 1: But that says a lot to me what he did

768
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: at a young age. I think that means he can

769
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: be a special player. Because when you're doing it against

770
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: those guys that are several years older than you, that

771
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: have the experience, that have grown into their bodies more,

772
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: that are more mature, I think that really portends good

773
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: things ahead for Rondale Moore. You guys, see what Dez

774
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: Bryant tweeted out before the start of round two is

775
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: four or five hours he tweeted out, and I retweeted

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Speaker 1: it At Paul calBC. He said an I quote Rondale Moore,

777
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:34,280
Speaker 1: instant impact wherever he go, tweet and tweet Dez Bryant.

778
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,439
Speaker 1: Oh no, he added, remember this tweet once again. Here's

779
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: the entirety of that Dez Bryant tweet before Round two,

780
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: Rondale Moore instant impact wherever you go, remember this tweet.

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Speaker 1: I mean again, when we get to the draft, I

782
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 1: don't care what we're talking about. I don't care about

783
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: we're talking about ahead of time, where we talk about

784
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 1: big boards in lock drafts. I don't care if we're

785
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: talking about after the fact, when we're talking about draft

786
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: grades or all this stuff. You don't know. You don't

787
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: know how this is going to happen. The number of

788
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: times I've been here after the draft and said I

789
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: really like this guy or this guy, and some of

790
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: them turned out, and obviously a number of them have not.

791
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: And that's just how it's gonna go. And like I

792
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: just said earlier, I mean, nobody took a first round

793
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: pick this year thinking, hey, I'm picking this guy, but

794
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: he's probably gonna flame out, but I'm gonna pick him anyways.

795
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: And yet you go back and look first round after

796
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: first round almost all the time, half of those guys

797
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: at best give you jag results just the guy results.

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00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: So you know, I hope he's super successful. I just

799
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: it's one of those things where I'm not trying to

800
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Speaker 1: be negative. I'm trying to be nothing. I'm trying to

801
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: be the middle of the road because I just don't know.

802
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: I mean, ultimately, like you were saying before when we

803
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: were talking about Davin Collins, I mean, I hope Zaven

804
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: Collins has a big impact this year. But you know

805
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: who's going to have the bigger impact on this defense?

806
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: J J. Watt, I mean, just will so you know,

807
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 1: whatever happens with David Collins and JJ Watt falls on

808
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: his face and doesn't play well, And please JJ, don't

809
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: take that personally because I'm this is hypotheticals here. It

810
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: won't to me. It won't matter what David Collins does,

811
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: because you're in deep, DUDEO. There definitely was a concerted

812
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: effort though by Steve Kim to pick guys that he

813
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: feels like can contribute immediately, and that's what Cliff Kingsbury

814
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: said going in that was the mission was to find

815
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: guys in the first round, in the second round that

816
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: could give us something this year. And as we know,

817
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: that hasn't always been the philosophy for Steve Kim. When

818
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: he took Dj Humphries, they knew he might not play

819
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: as a rookie, even though he was the first rounder.

820
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: Robert kimdchy kind of the same thing. So there Isaiah

821
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: Simmons last year, they knew he wasn't going to be

822
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: a huge part of it right away. And I feel

823
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: like it is a philosophical shift this season because of

824
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 1: where they are as far as competitiveness, where you want

825
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 1: these guys coming in at least giving us something in

826
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 1: the first half. Of the season and maybe getting bigger

827
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: role in the second half because they feel like they're

828
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 1: a playoff team and if you can get two more

829
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: elite level athletes on the field, and I'm not saying

830
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: they'll be elite players from a production standpoint, but if

831
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: you can get upper tier athletes out there, that's going

832
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: to raise the potential of the team. And I feel like,

833
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: as we've been talking about all offseason, where they are

834
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: with Kyler Murray's rookie rookie contract window, they're really pushing

835
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: hard right now, and those two guys can add to

836
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: that if they're ready immediately. They need those guys at

837
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,720
Speaker 1: that spots. To your point, they don't have a viable

838
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: guy at that impact slot receiver burner position right now,

839
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: who's who's proven himself, who's been able to keep a

840
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: defense honest and being able, you know. So there's that,

841
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 1: and then you have, you know, the middle linebacker spot

842
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: where you know, was Jordan Hicks how did he grat

843
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: out on film? So they're hoping you can get an

844
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,280
Speaker 1: above average performer perhaps at that spot. And then obviously

845
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 1: he's in the last year of his deal as well,

846
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: so a lot of decisions, but yeah, I think it

847
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: underscores how they are all in for this year and

848
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 1: they want that immediate contribution from at least these top

849
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: two draft picks, There's no doubt about that, if not

850
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: some of these cornerbacks as well. Obviously, Look, if you're

851
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: gonna look at one depth chart in the NFL as

852
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: a rookie corner especially someone who was drafted on Day three,

853
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: you want to come to the Arizona Cardinals. It is

854
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: absolutely wide open. If your name is Marco Wilson in

855
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: the fourth round, if your name is Tag gall in

856
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: round six, even James Wiggins in round seven. To make

857
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: that dB room as a safety and then be a

858
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: guy on teams, you have a good an opportunity as

859
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: anyone taken on Day three with any team, I would think,

860
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,240
Speaker 1: in any position group. And then you go after guys

861
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: who have the size and the speed and the athleticism.

862
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: Let's get back to Marco Wilson here real quick. Six

863
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: Fee mentioned some of the measurables four three, four forty

864
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 1: a forty three and a half vertical just ridiculous. And

865
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 1: you know, here's the thing. When you look at a

866
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 1: Todd mcshaye pre draft evaluation, and I got some lashback

867
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: a little bit on Twitter on this one, because I

868
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: just posted basically what Todd mcshaye said, and I'll quote

869
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: it from a talent standpoint. Marco Wilson is probably a

870
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: second or third round pick, has really great range, He

871
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: plays aggressively, lays his body on the line, really gifted.

872
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: The two big problems courtyon McShay and I quote is

873
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: that he lacks good ball skills. The other big issue

874
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 1: is his tackling skills. Okay, to me, that's probably two

875
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: big reasons why he fell into round four. Obviously, but

876
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: how many quarters have elite ball skills And if you're

877
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: counting on your corner to have a one hundred plus

878
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: tackles like, oh, I don't know, Malcolm Butler, did, you

879
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: can count those guys on one hand. Well. To be honest,

880
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 1: the first thing I think of Paul is like, wait,

881
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,280
Speaker 1: he doesn't have great balls skills, so when he's defending

882
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: the past, he's not as great. And he doesn't tackle great.

883
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: So if he has to have run support, he's not

884
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: great in that either. That's the first thing I think of. Look,

885
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: as I said earlier, I think they went with a

886
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: lot of athleticism in this draft. He when you're looking

887
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: at a cornerback, and this probably goes for any position,

888
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: but cornerback, I think especially in a lot of ways,

889
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 1: you can't you can't teach a guy to run. I mean,

890
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: a guy could have the best ball skills in the world,

891
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: and if he's running a four eight five, you're not

892
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: going to be able to use him a lot because

893
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: he's just not going to be able to keep up.

894
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 1: So you have to have some of the inherent athleticism

895
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: and talent to get there. And you hope that you

896
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: can turn that and you can improve the ball skills

897
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: because you feel like the ball skills are something that

898
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: could possibly be taught. Now we'll have to see where

899
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: that goes. Justin Bethel is a great example. He had

900
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 1: a lot of athleticism. They had hoped for a long

901
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 1: time about him being the cornerback of the future, and

902
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: it just never happened, in a large part because he

903
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,919
Speaker 1: just could never figure out the ball skills. He could

904
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: never get to the point where he would had a

905
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: ball awareness when he was covering a guy. The playoff

906
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 1: game and the Hail Mary against the Packers or is

907
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: a great example, and you hope Marco wils can feel

908
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: that now. Talking to him after the draft, he's clearly

909
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: miffed that he didn't get drafted higher. I've read enough stuff.

910
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: He handled it well when we were asking him about it,

911
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: and apparently handled it really well when the Cardinals asked

912
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: him about it. But from what I understand, he wished

913
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 1: the whole shoe throwing three would be in his past.

914
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 1: He'd rather not talk about that, and he's going to

915
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to have a new start here and

916
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: to show that what we should be talking about is

917
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: what a good cornerback he is. But he's gonna have

918
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: to prove it. And I guess it goes back to

919
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: whether it's Tim or take Allen, who has got again

920
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: a lot of nice physical skills, limited experience. Can they

921
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: show something right away or are we in a position

922
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: now where they have to sign a veteran to compete

923
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,280
Speaker 1: in there. My feeling is this, They've got Malcolm Butler.

924
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: I think take Owen and Marco Wilson make this team

925
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:14,760
Speaker 1: unless they completely wash out in camp, which I don't expect. Obviously,

926
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: Byron Murphy makes this team, so I don't think they're

927
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 1: gonna have more than five cornerbacks. So my question is,

928
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: is Robert Alford the fifth guy that's going to be

929
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: They're the veteran who can play right away while these

930
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,879
Speaker 1: guys learn, or does Robert Alford get bounced out by

931
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 1: somebody they signed sooner or somebody they signed into camp

932
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: when they realize Robert Alford isn't playing well enough perhaps

933
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: or they realize one of these other two rookies is

934
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: too far behind. That's the question I have at the

935
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: cornerback room right now with how this plays out. Because

936
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 1: if you have both these rookies and Alford's good enough,

937
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: I don't think they add any more of cornerbacks. I

938
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: think those, unless something really weird happens, those are gonna

939
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: be your five guys. And I know everyone had their

940
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: fun with Marco Wilson. They got the memes out there again,

941
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: the whole Austin Powers who throws a shoe? You know?

942
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,879
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, we get it, you know. A though,

943
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: based on listening what he had to say and reading

944
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: some of the stories about the repercussions, how that directly

945
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: led to them losing a game and honestly a shot

946
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 1: of the national championship. They were eight and one, they

947
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: never should have lost. Lsu. Lsu continued that drive ended

948
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: up a fifty seven yard game when he field goal

949
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,760
Speaker 1: in the fog. His family was there for his last

950
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 1: home game. Marco Wilson, he had to come out of

951
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: the locker room, everybody looking at him as the guy

952
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 1: who lost his emotions and directly helped lose the game.

953
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: Go out there, and he's got grandparents and attendance, And

954
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: I mean, if there's a guy who had to have

955
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: learned his lesson about control and in managing your emotions,

956
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: it's got to be Marco Wilson. So on one hand,

957
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: he got that out of his system, and I think

958
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: he's pretty repentant and he's learned his lesson as a

959
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: young man. Yes, it can be costly. We saw last

960
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: year guys at Seattle. Drake Kirkpatrick lost his mind on

961
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: a brutal penalty after a third down stop that continue

962
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,760
Speaker 1: to Seahawks drive that if you go back, I defy

963
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: you to pick another moment in that game that didn't

964
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: turn the tide in that game. That Drake Kirkpatrick penalty was.

965
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 1: But you bringing a guy who you would hope unlike

966
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: a Justin Bethel, and that's a great cop there, Darren,

967
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 1: but Justin Bethel a lot of times wasn't even the

968
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: same zip code as the receiver. You know, he had

969
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 1: all the athleticism beyond the ball skills, he didn't seem

970
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: to have the cover skills as a corner I don't

971
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: think that's the case with Marco Wilson, at least hopefully

972
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: for the cardinal's sake. He may not be able to

973
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 1: come down with the ball, but at least we'll be

974
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: able to knock it down if he can be close enough.

975
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: I don't think you care that much if your fourth

976
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: round pick is getting seven interceptions a season. I mean,

977
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,839
Speaker 1: if he can cover, that's gravy. I mean, that's that's

978
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: what you want. If you can pick off the ball,

979
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: that's gravy to me. But I think in the fourth round,

980
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: with that type of athleticism, I think Justin Bethel is

981
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: a great example where he still needs to polish a

982
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: lot of stuff in his game to prove that he

983
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: can be an NFL cornerback. Because somebody that big and

984
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: that fast and that athletic, if you show any semblance

985
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: of production, you are going on day two at the latest.

986
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: So I think he needs to show a lot, and

987
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: maybe the Cardinals, when they get in with some coaching

988
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 1: and with their style of defense, maybe he fits, and

989
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: if so, it's a really good pick. But I feel

990
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: like going into this season that number two cornerback spot

991
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: is still a question mark. And I think clearly Robert

992
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,720
Speaker 1: Alford will be more ready to play than Marco Wilson

993
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,479
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one. It's just a matter of health

994
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 1: and whether it stays healthy. And I think the Cardinals

995
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: still could bring in a veteran free agent because I

996
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:46,760
Speaker 1: understand the depth chart part of it, where you're probably

997
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 1: gonna keep these five, but you need to make sure

998
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 1: that number two spot is really latched down pretty well.

999
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: And right now, getting both of these guys so late

1000
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 1: in the draft, I'm not sure that was completely answered

1001
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: quite yet. So I still think that's probably the biggest

1002
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,800
Speaker 1: question marketting into the season, and a couple of different

1003
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: things here. One, I'm not arguing about the depth chart thing.

1004
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: They could have people in training camp. I just think

1005
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 1: ultimately that's how it's going to sess out on the

1006
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 1: actual roster is you'll have these two rookies probably and

1007
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: then it was going to be offered or a different

1008
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 1: veteran along with Murphy and Butler. That's how I think

1009
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 1: it's going to ultimately pan out, but a bigger picture,

1010
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 1: not that we're finished right now, but I do want

1011
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: to say this, we kind of talk about what these

1012
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: guys need to do, what some of their shortcomings might be.

1013
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 1: I don't want to come across as super negative either.

1014
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: Like I said, I feel like I'm trying to keep

1015
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,919
Speaker 1: and even keel about all of this. I've seen lots

1016
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: of people who hated this draft that are fans and

1017
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: all this stuff, and I don't understand that. I think

1018
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: they've got some very talented players that we don't know

1019
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: how they're going to do. But at the same time,

1020
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 1: I don't understand. I can get it if you don't

1021
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,479
Speaker 1: want to say this is the best draft ever because

1022
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 1: you don't know, But for the same reason you can't

1023
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: say this is a bad draft. I disagree that it's

1024
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: a bad draft. And I going back to what you

1025
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 1: said earlier, Paul about like not reaching. I mean again,

1026
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: we talked about it coming in the Cody Brown pick

1027
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: of the pass rusher once upon a time, or reaching

1028
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,399
Speaker 1: for a cornerback, and maybe Greg Newsom ends up being

1029
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 1: really good But if they had these grades out where

1030
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 1: they said Greg Newsome was going to be a solid

1031
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: starting quarterback and they had grades on Zaven Collins that

1032
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: said he's got a chance to be a multi Pro

1033
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 1: Bowl or a linebacker, that's not even a discussion and

1034
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: it shouldn't be. And that's what they're getting paid for.

1035
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: And maybe they make a mistake, maybe they don't. That's

1036
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:43,280
Speaker 1: that's ultimately Michael Bidwell's decision to decide what all happens

1037
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 1: with everybody. But I have no problem with them going

1038
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 1: and saying Zaven Collins has got a chance to be

1039
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: a superstar in this league if things go right, and

1040
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 1: that's possible. So I don't want to have, especially myself,

1041
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 1: come across like every single one of these guys has

1042
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: so many warts. What are they doing? And that's not

1043
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: how I'm looking at the st at all. I mean, Darren,

1044
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: how can you not be bullish on the Cardinals draft

1045
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: class when they got the self proclaimed Tom Brady of

1046
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: the cornerbacks? Right, If they got the Tom Brady of

1047
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,919
Speaker 1: the corners, then I mean come on now right there,

1048
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: I mean you have me at Tom Brady, tay go right,

1049
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: you got the Tom Brady of the cornerbacks, one pick

1050
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 1: after the long snapper. That's right, that's right, Carolina, Matt Rule.

1051
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 1: How's that taste? Right? I've worked out into your war

1052
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,879
Speaker 1: room conversation. We want to see the all access video

1053
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: on that. Out of Carolina, you kidn't get take Allen

1054
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,839
Speaker 1: corner six one out of Central Florida one eighty six

1055
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 1: opted out of last season. He said to be with

1056
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 1: his infant daughter who was born prematurely. Didn't want to

1057
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 1: take any chances with COVID nineteen. Okay, that's a double dying,

1058
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 1: I think in our book on that one, as he

1059
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:52,760
Speaker 1: has his priority straight family before football. What's intriguing, though,

1060
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,720
Speaker 1: and I presume as the reason he lasted until round

1061
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: six and gives them the chance to be the Tom

1062
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: Brady of corners. We can't say that enough is the

1063
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: fact that he only really at He did only a

1064
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: one season at the FBS level, at the D one

1065
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 1: true big school level, even UCF. So there you go.

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00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: But that one year he had and you know this, Kyle,

1067
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: you saw some of these analytics as well, if you

1068
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: believe Pro Football Focus. His passer rating aloud was twenty

1069
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,760
Speaker 1: six point six. That was in single coverage in twenty nineteen,

1070
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 1: which was the second lowest in college football that year. Yeah,

1071
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: pro football focus is all over him as a potential

1072
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 1: steal in the draft, and I do think there has

1073
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: to be context to it because of the competition that

1074
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 1: was faced. And sometimes these cornerback wide receiver combos weren't

1075
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: close to some of the big ones in college football

1076
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 1: or now in the NFL. So we'll see. I mean,

1077
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: he's a six round cornerback. But when you start talking

1078
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: about a guy with the type of ability he showed

1079
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 1: in college, and yeah it was only one season, but

1080
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: once again he did it when he was pretty young.

1081
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: Still show that ability, and I think it's worthy to

1082
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: take a flyer on a guy like that, especially so

1083
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: late where there are some question marks, but they could

1084
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: be easily explained in two or three years looking back,

1085
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: like he opted out and if he played and he

1086
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 1: played well, maybe he would have been a Day two pick.

1087
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 1: And now you got him in the sixth round. So

1088
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:23,399
Speaker 1: I really like those type of gambles on athleticism, on

1089
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 1: opt out guys, on injured guys. I think that's the

1090
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: type of risk you take in the fifth, sixth, seventh

1091
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 1: round and maybe Jalen Thompson is a good example a

1092
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: supplemental pick, Like you just take guys that have upside

1093
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,839
Speaker 1: and maybe it doesn't work out. But I mean, give

1094
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 1: me the cornerback with potential over let's say a long snapper.

1095
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: I would agree with that. I mean, I know that

1096
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 1: Cliff and Kind both said that they felt Marco Wilson

1097
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: was a steel of the draft. I think this guy

1098
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: has the chance to be it. It's easy to go

1099
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: there because it's a sixth round pick. It's late in

1100
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,359
Speaker 1: the sixth round. It was their second sixth round pick.

1101
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 1: If you would have said that Mason Cole where he

1102
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: was with your team was going to be able, you're

1103
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:09,760
Speaker 1: going to be able to trade him for a chance

1104
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 1: at a solid cornerback in this league, even if he's

1105
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 1: just a solid backup, you would have taken that in

1106
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: a second. And that's what they've done. It's like Kyle

1107
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: said earlier, the whole lottery ticket type of situation. It

1108
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 1: was a late sixth round pick you got in a

1109
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 1: trade for a guy that quite frankly, probably wasn't going

1110
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: to make your roster by the time you got to

1111
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 1: end a training camp with Mason Cole. And now you

1112
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: turn it into a potential cornerback, and who knows what

1113
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: he turns out to be. I love his story, I

1114
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: love what he has. You know, would I have taken

1115
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: him in the second round? Probably not. But that's the

1116
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: best part about the sixth round is you have that

1117
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 1: chance to do that thing, and so I like this

1118
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: pick a lot, and who knows, maybe maybe he surprises

1119
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: more people and jumps ahead of Marco Wilson. We don't know.

1120
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: But the best part is you have these two young guys.

1121
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: If you said right now today that either Marco Wilson

1122
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: or Tay Gallen would end up becoming a starter level

1123
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: cornerback in this league, you're taken a second. You don't

1124
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:11,959
Speaker 1: care which one you've taken a second, and it would

1125
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: be a successful draft. What do you run in the

1126
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 1: forty tag Gallen? Do you guys know offhand? I think

1127
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 1: we know each other well enough. Here on Cardinals Underground,

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00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: brought to you by a Pacific Office Automation prom partner

1129
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: of the Aris under Cardinals, where I can put you

1130
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 1: guys on the spot. I know the golden rule. Don't

1131
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 1: ask me a question where I don't know the answer.

1132
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 1: I never did see a forty on take Gallen. They

1133
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 1: ran a four four four at his pro day. Okay,

1134
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: I'll take it. If you can play, if you can play,

1135
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: if you can cover. You know, the one year he

1136
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: played at UCF, feel out twenty five yards are fewer

1137
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 1: in nine of his twelve games, So I'm presuming he

1138
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: was matched up together against the other team's number one receiver.

1139
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 1: So at least there's enough evidence here to Warren a

1140
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: six round pick. At the very least there's no doubt

1141
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: about it. Then you factor in the Cardinals knee, then

1142
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 1: you factor in his chance to make this roster. The

1143
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 1: other thing I loved about this when I read some

1144
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 1: of the various media scatter reports looking for his forty,

1145
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 1: which I obviously never found, I saw a lot of

1146
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 1: phrases like, and I quote him. I wrote them down,

1147
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 1: nasty nature, not afraid of physical play, man skills. Further upside,

1148
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 1: had only the one year of FPS play. So I

1149
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: like that. If he's got that mentality too, where he

1150
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:29,439
Speaker 1: doesn't man getting impressed man, and don't fight you as

1151
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: a corner, I'll take it every day. I think you

1152
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: have to have that type of mentality when you talk

1153
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 1: about a sixth round corner. It obviously means a guy

1154
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 1: that doesn't have the type of measurables of the day,

1155
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 1: one day, two, fourth round type picks. And if you

1156
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: don't believe in yourself with maybe more of the moderate

1157
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: regular athleticism, then I think you're sunk in the NFL

1158
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 1: because you really have to trust your technique and what

1159
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 1: you're doing, trust your ability to hang with these guys.

1160
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 1: And Justin Bethel, I think confidence might have been an

1161
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: issue for him. As athletic as he was on special

1162
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: teams that cornerback, he always seemed a little bit tentative,

1163
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 1: wasn't sure if he could hang with some of these guys.

1164
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: So I think take Gwen and to a lesser extent,

1165
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: Marco Wilson, they just have to believe that they can

1166
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: play cornerback at a good level, have the technical ability

1167
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 1: to do so, because these guys are gonna get thrown

1168
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: a lot of things at them. Buy wide receivers and

1169
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 1: you have to hold up, especially if you want to

1170
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: play as a rookie. I don't know what Richard Sherman

1171
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 1: ran at his pro day coming out of stand food,

1172
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 1: but I'll say this doesn't matter. Don't even look up

1173
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 1: Richard Sherman If you think of Richard Sherman in his prime,

1174
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 1: would you cite speed? I wouldn't ide his cover skills,

1175
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 1: the fact he was nasty, he'd fights you every snap,

1176
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 1: he'd compete, he was mentally tougher than you were. I mean,

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01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 1: these are all things that to me made him a

1178
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame corner Richard Sherman. It wasn't that he

1179
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 1: ran a four to five. There's some sort of blazing speed.

1180
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 1: So if you can get a corner to Darren's point earlier,

1181
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 1: you've got to have some base athleticism, there's no doubt

1182
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: just to compete, but once you get into the NFL,

1183
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: if you have some of those attributes, you know that

1184
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 1: is what's going to separate you from so many different guys.

1185
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 1: And look Andy as a ball. I'll use as an

1186
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 1: example on the other side of the equation, when he

1187
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 1: had a nice start to his second year in the NFL,

1188
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 1: what did he site his confidence? His confidence was up,

1189
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 1: and he didn't always have that confidence his rookie year,

1190
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 1: and he might have even been a little intimidated at

1191
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 1: times his rookie year. And then just when we thought okay,

1192
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 1: he was having a great start to year two and

1193
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: then things leveled out and he ended up the same

1194
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 1: way he did in year one, where he was a

1195
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 1: healthy scratch by December. So yeah, it is critical in

1196
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 1: a lot of ways. Well, I think that Tom Brady

1197
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 1: of Corners has enough confidence in himself. Yeah, and then

1198
01:01:57,160 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: you have James Wiggan in round seven. Let me say

1199
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 1: that again, James Wiggins, the safety HATA Cincinnati five eleven,

1200
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 1: two oh nine, round seven, pick number two forty three

1201
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 1: and sort of similar to a Rondale Moore. And even

1202
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 1: at tey Allen, you basically have one year to go on.

1203
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:18,800
Speaker 1: He had an unbelievable two eighteen towards ACL right before

1204
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 1: the start of two thousand nineteen, missed that year and

1205
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 1: midst of twenty twenty was kind of pedestrian for him.

1206
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 1: I'd he considered that injury for a lot of guys

1207
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: to be a two year injury. Then he's really not

1208
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 1: going to be himself until he gets to training camp

1209
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 1: two twenty one. And although he played in two thousan twenty,

1210
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 1: he wasn't as productive Kyle as he was in two eighteen.

1211
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 1: Then Man two eighteen he hit the scene and he

1212
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 1: had everything that moved as a safety that flew around

1213
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 1: the field for Cincinnati. Yeah, once again production early in

1214
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 1: his career. And I think that's a good point about

1215
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 1: the ACL where we saw it with Tyron Matthew when

1216
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 1: he towards ACL the first time. His twenty fourteen season

1217
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 1: wasn't very good at all. In twenty fifteen, he was

1218
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 1: arguably the best defensive player in the NFL, and his

1219
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 1: athleticism came back, his explosiveness came back. And James Wiggins

1220
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 1: is a seventh round pick, and if people thought that

1221
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 1: was the big issue, then they would have taken him

1222
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 1: in an earlier round. So once again, more of a flyer,

1223
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 1: more of a lottery ticket, but you can't argue with

1224
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 1: the athleticism already. And if he gains more explosiveness at

1225
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 1: the very least you have a nice special teams COG

1226
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 1: and then maybe down the road he can get into

1227
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 1: that safety mix. Right now, pretty much a log jam

1228
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,479
Speaker 1: at the position, but in the future maybe it opens

1229
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 1: up for him. I do feel like this was a

1230
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 1: pick for Jeff Rogers to give him another quality guy

1231
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 1: that can play special teams, and there's nothing wrong with that.

1232
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 1: I mean, if he ends up coming in and being

1233
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: a solid special teams guy, even if he doesn't ever

1234
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 1: really evolve as a safety. I mean, it gives you

1235
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 1: some options if James Wiggins plays really well, or you

1236
01:03:57,640 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 1: can be your special teamer. Who knows, maybe then you

1237
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 1: move on from a Charles Washington, or maybe he sticks

1238
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 1: around and and all you're doing is having one less

1239
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 1: receiver and now you have an extra special teamer at safety.

1240
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 1: I mean, with Trent Scherfield going, you just don't know.

1241
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 1: So I did a quick Google search on James Wiggins,

1242
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:20,920
Speaker 1: and you know what came up? A two nineteen college

1243
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 1: football Freaks list that I guess Bruce Feldman puts out

1244
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 1: every single year. There's three dozen players on it. This

1245
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 1: is from all of college football any level. And as

1246
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 1: you scroll through the names in that twenty nineteen list,

1247
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons is on the list, Rondale Moore is on

1248
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:42,720
Speaker 1: the list, and James Wiggins is on the list. And

1249
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 1: here's a little bit of the description. Ridiculously strong for

1250
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 1: being only two hundred five pounds, he's five eleven, squatting

1251
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 1: seven twenty five and benching two twenty five or eighteen reps.

1252
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 1: Better still, he had four game winning picks in twenty eighteen,

1253
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 1: which was his breakout year, kind of a kin to

1254
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 1: a Rondel Moore. He had that initial really spectacular campaign

1255
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 1: and then for whatever reason, injury are otherwise here we

1256
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:11,480
Speaker 1: are come twenty twenty one, and that really was their

1257
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 1: calling card and what they they're hanging their hat on.

1258
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 1: But you know, I think of a Rudy Ford who

1259
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 1: the Cardinals took a flyer on on a day three

1260
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 1: back in the out just to see unbelievable athleticism. He

1261
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 1: excelled on special teams. Can he play safety? He was

1262
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:27,560
Speaker 1: more of a special teams guy. Kind to adjustin Bethel.

1263
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 1: We'll see if James Wiggins gives you anything. He said

1264
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:33,439
Speaker 1: all the right things that he really admires the game

1265
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 1: of a Buddha Baker and a Tyrn Matthew those an

1266
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 1: Antro Role who went to the same high school as

1267
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 1: his in the Miami area. So, you know, James Wiggins,

1268
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:44,439
Speaker 1: I'm curious. I'm curious, especially if he's a hard hitter,

1269
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 1: bring it. I was wondering when he mentioned Antro Roll

1270
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 1: if he even realized that Antre Roll was drafted by

1271
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:51,959
Speaker 1: the Cardinals or if that just happened to be because

1272
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 1: he went to the same high school and didn't even

1273
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Speaker 1: realize it. I'll be curious to ask him that atro Roll,

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Speaker 1: who by the way, he was drafting what eighth overall

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01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 1: is a corner and ended up probably being better as

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01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 1: a safety later on in his career. And then anybody

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01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 1: have a comment on Michael Manette? Is a Manette the

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01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 1: center on a Penn State goes round seven. The only

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Speaker 1: thing I would say about him, and I don't know

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Speaker 1: a lot about him, is he's smart. He's an older

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01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 1: so he's got experience. I do think that it's gonna

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01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 1: be tough to make this offensive line on the active roster.

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01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 1: And I'll be curious to see kind of where Lamont

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01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 1: Galliard is right now, because I think everybody kind of

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01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 1: assumes Lamont Galliard's the guy that's going to be your

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Speaker 1: backup center behind Rodney Hudson. Okay, so who's gonna be

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Speaker 1: the first guy to call Buddha Baker, Carson Palmer, everybody grow,

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01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 1: everybody throw five bucks into the hat. Is it gonna

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Speaker 1: be passed? Is gonna be Wolf? Is gonna be paul

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Speaker 1: a Pencilneck? You guys in the hey, we might not

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01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 1: even get to the season, might be you guys in

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01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 1: the pregame show with Lisa Matthews. He's gonna call number

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Speaker 1: three Carson Palmer before they get to Buddha Baker. It's

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Speaker 1: gonna be so hard to tell out there on the field, like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: one plays offense and one plays defense. Health tall is

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Speaker 1: Carson Palmer? Six? Five? Ye? Who does like five nine?

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01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 1: I will say that if you if I had to

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Speaker 1: lay bets when they first said that the players are

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01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:12,919
Speaker 1: gonna be able to switch to single digits, so many

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01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 1: more of them we're gonna be able to switch to

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Speaker 1: single digits. I think Buddha would have been last on

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01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:19,480
Speaker 1: my list about a guy that would do it just

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01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 1: because he just changed. And he just changed because he

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01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 1: wanted thirty two so bad. It's just it really strikes

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01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 1: me as funny. But he did it. I'll give him that. Okay,

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01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 1: you guys are the insiders. How much did he have

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01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:33,720
Speaker 1: to spend? How much did he have to invest to

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01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 1: buy the inventory of the previous jerseys, the old thirty

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01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 1: two jerseys, because that's incumbent upon the player to take

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Speaker 1: care of the existing inventory before you switch a number.

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Speaker 1: Is he still the highest paid safety in football? Or

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01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:51,480
Speaker 1: did that? Did that take away from it. I believe

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01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:53,960
Speaker 1: you are still. I believe he's still even if he

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01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:58,000
Speaker 1: had to shell out seven figures. Perhaps it's funny somebody

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01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 1: said that he's not going to spend seven figures to

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01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:05,760
Speaker 1: change his number, is he? I don't know. Somebody said

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01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook the Vikings running back. I read somewhere was

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01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:12,480
Speaker 1: going to have to spend just into seven figures to

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01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 1: buy back all his jerseys. And he's like, yeah, never mind. Wow,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, we don't hear these things.

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01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 1: But see Buddha didn't once already he already had to

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01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 1: do it with the thirty six jerseys a couple of

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01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:26,599
Speaker 1: years ago. Now maybe the inventory was a lot less

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01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 1: because he wasn't a starter and everything. And that's what's

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01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:31,679
Speaker 1: so interesting about it, is like he's a pro bowler.

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01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 1: Now there's got to be a lot of Buddha Baker

1327
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:35,920
Speaker 1: jerseys out there, right, Well, you can spend seven figures

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01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:38,360
Speaker 1: on bitcoin and lose all your money too, So you know,

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01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:40,800
Speaker 1: I guess said it depends on your choice, you know,

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01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe he'll get a second job. And if

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01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:44,719
Speaker 1: he's looking for a second job to pay for the jerseys,

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01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:47,600
Speaker 1: well guess what everyone's state Farm Stadium is hosting a

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01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:50,879
Speaker 1: job fair this Saturday from ten to two, that is Saturday,

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Speaker 1: May eighth. By the way, over six hundred part time

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Speaker 1: positions are available. Yes, we said, over six hundred part

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01:08:56,800 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 1: time positions are available. For all the details, including a

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01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:04,720
Speaker 1: list of the open positions. All right, you just go

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01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 1: to the website. And of course the website did not

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01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 1: translate to my sheet, so somebody want to look down

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01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:12,559
Speaker 1: and tell me because it omitted the website. Here as

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01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 1: I tell you that no sign up is necessary. You

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01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 1: just show up a State Farm Stadium this Saturday from

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01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 1: ten to two, so you don't necessarily need the website.

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01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 1: But if you're going to go to the website for

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01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:25,640
Speaker 1: more information in three let me let me read it

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Speaker 1: for you. Paula visit asy cardinals dot com slash job fair.

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Speaker 1: One word there you go, easy cardinals dot com slash

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01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 1: job fair and it is coming up this Saturday, ten

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01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 1: am two pm State Farm Stadium. Over six hundred positions available.

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01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 1: All right, So let's see Buddha Baker, maybe a second

1351
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 1: job to pay for the jerseys. What's Larry Fitzgerald gonna

1352
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:53,559
Speaker 1: do in retirement? He might need a side gig Greeter

1353
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 1: at Walmart. I don't know, are you breaking news? But

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01:09:57,400 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 1: are you breaking news here, Paul, No, I'm just try

1355
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,720
Speaker 1: I mean, if he hasn't announced it yet, is he

1356
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:05,600
Speaker 1: really coming back? Although wait a minute, I did have

1357
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:07,600
Speaker 1: a theory. Where was it? Where was my theory? I

1358
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 1: hit it down here? Oh, here it is. Here's further

1359
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 1: impetus for Larry Fitzgerald to come back and play yet

1360
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:20,640
Speaker 1: another season. Zaven Collins, avid golfer, says that golf is

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01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 1: his quote getaway sport. And then, although he's not a

1362
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:29,760
Speaker 1: trash talker on the gridiron, quoting Xaban Collins to the media,

1363
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 1: when we're out there on the golf course, I really

1364
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 1: let everyone have it. Attention Larry Fitzgerald, hashtag fresh meat.

1365
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:41,640
Speaker 1: Zaban Collins in town and he wants to book a

1366
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 1: tea time with you sooner than later. Well, clearly Larry

1367
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 1: would still be able to golf, whether he's playing in

1368
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 1: the NFL or not, So I don't know if that

1369
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:53,760
Speaker 1: would be necessarily And I do feel like even if

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01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:58,400
Speaker 1: he retires and isn't an official teammate of Zaban Collins,

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01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:00,840
Speaker 1: something tells me the two of them will have a

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01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:03,759
Speaker 1: chance to meet at some point, so I'm not worried

1373
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:07,000
Speaker 1: about that possibility of matching up, Paul. Isn't there a

1374
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 1: theory sitting here on a silver platter for you? They

1375
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:12,800
Speaker 1: drafted Rondelle more in the second round. They've got four

1376
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 1: wide receivers. They did not take a tight end. They

1377
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:18,760
Speaker 1: don't have a move tight end. Don't do it. Don't

1378
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:23,439
Speaker 1: say it once about a time he was the best

1379
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 1: blocking receiver in the game, although he never admitted. I'm

1380
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:31,160
Speaker 1: doing your work for you, Paul Kyle. You're leading a

1381
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:33,240
Speaker 1: horse to water here. I still have yet to drink.

1382
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:36,599
Speaker 1: I'm just figuring it out. You're right. And let's face it,

1383
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 1: if Larry hasn't maybe been working out like you should

1384
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 1: have because he cont plating retirement, he's probably put on

1385
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:48,559
Speaker 1: the COVID nineteen or so, and you know it just

1386
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 1: further reason to forget about it. Don't even do the

1387
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 1: cardio or the other stuff necessary to lose the weight

1388
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:56,760
Speaker 1: at the body fat down. Just keep it on, keep

1389
01:11:56,760 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 1: playing golf. You know, check in at about two fifty five, Larry,

1390
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 1: you know you can do it on that frame at

1391
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 1: six three, and you're right, Just be sort of a

1392
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:09,679
Speaker 1: hybrid tight end hpack Wow. First of all, you're now

1393
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 1: this is like throwing the stick into the hornets nest

1394
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 1: because the number of fans that want Larry to come back,

1395
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 1: and why can't he play tight end? I'm guessing the

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01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:22,880
Speaker 1: number one reason Larry can't come back to play tight

1397
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:26,719
Speaker 1: end is because he would have no interest in coming

1398
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:29,720
Speaker 1: back to play tight end none. And you part of

1399
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:31,439
Speaker 1: it was you just said it. He was like the

1400
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 1: best blocking receiver in the NFL and he wouldn't even

1401
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 1: talk about it because he hated it so much. He

1402
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:39,360
Speaker 1: was a denial about being the best blocking receiver in

1403
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:41,479
Speaker 1: the NFL. He ain't gonna be a tight end. Please,

1404
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 1: let's not go there. I'm disappointed in Kyle for that's

1405
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:48,240
Speaker 1: gonna be more realistic than receiver at this point. Right now,

1406
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 1: that's also true, But there are different kinds of tight ends.

1407
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 1: I mean Dan Arnold, right, there's Dan Arnold there. I

1408
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:57,439
Speaker 1: mean there's the Ricky Seals Jones. I mean, you think

1409
01:12:57,479 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 1: that guy was holding up at the point of attack.

1410
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:02,320
Speaker 1: That's that's brilliant. That's what Larry Fitzgerald wants. He wants

1411
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 1: to be compared to the Ricky Seals Jones and Dan

1412
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 1: Arnold's of the world. Well, Kyle actually diverted me from

1413
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:11,639
Speaker 1: my original theory. Oh yeah, coming back for a piece

1414
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 1: of Zavin Collins, which probably isn't enough. Now that the

1415
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:22,440
Speaker 1: Cardinals receiver room from Afar ostensibly looks full and Antonio

1416
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:25,800
Speaker 1: Brown signed with the Buccaneers, I'm gonna go back to

1417
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 1: I think my February third speculation, which was he's gonna

1418
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 1: go to the Vikings and join his pal Pat Peterson

1419
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 1: and he's gonna bookend his career from Vikings ball boy

1420
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:40,760
Speaker 1: to Vikings receiver in Minnesota legend, and he's gonna him

1421
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:43,960
Speaker 1: and Pat Peel just share Larry's place. They can bachelore

1422
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:46,320
Speaker 1: it up, you know, because come on, Pat Pie's wife

1423
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:48,880
Speaker 1: is a doctor, still doing her residency in Arizona. She's

1424
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:50,679
Speaker 1: not moving to the Twin Cities. The two of them,

1425
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:54,759
Speaker 1: they share Larry's place in Minnesota. They play for the Vikings,

1426
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:58,639
Speaker 1: both on one year deals. Pat moves on, Larry retires. Boom.

1427
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:01,600
Speaker 1: We're done. So clearly we have reached the point in

1428
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:04,559
Speaker 1: the offseason where Larry absolutely has to tell us what's

1429
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:08,440
Speaker 1: going on. Because Paul Calvc is now resorted to recycling

1430
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 1: his theories. We need to get some closure to this closure. Well,

1431
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:15,640
Speaker 1: I read about it came back to my middle linebacker

1432
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 1: theory for the Cardinals that worked out Zaman Collins. So

1433
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:21,639
Speaker 1: now I'm gonna go back to an earlier theory on fits.

1434
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:23,880
Speaker 1: At least I'm not the guy telling him that he's

1435
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:25,639
Speaker 1: gonna play tight end and come back to the Cardinals

1436
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:27,760
Speaker 1: as a flex tight end like Kyle's doing. I mean,

1437
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 1: it took some doing, but Kyle actually undermined any of

1438
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 1: my theories. Unch tang. It can always get worse, and

1439
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:36,240
Speaker 1: that's on Kyle this time, not me. I think at

1440
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 1: this point, all signs are pointing toward retirement, right. I mean,

1441
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:42,880
Speaker 1: he didn't make a decision before freedency, didn't make a

1442
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 1: decision before the draft. Viking's tight end finding a spot

1443
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 1: somewhere on this Cardinals roster as a receiver. They seem

1444
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:56,519
Speaker 1: to get slimmer and slimmer ideas as the days go on. Sons,

1445
01:14:56,560 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 1: Minority Owner Larry Fitzgerald, Ladies and gentlemen, what is he

1446
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:02,599
Speaker 1: waiting for? Though? If he has retired, what is he

1447
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 1: waiting for to make the announcement? Is he just waiting

1448
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:08,839
Speaker 1: for people to lose interest? Because everyone will lose interest

1449
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 1: in everything over time. It's just a matter of time.

1450
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:17,800
Speaker 1: So does he want the hooplah around his retirement? You

1451
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:21,160
Speaker 1: just diminished with every passing day? Is that there there'll

1452
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:23,600
Speaker 1: be no hooplah diminished? I mean we all could be

1453
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:26,120
Speaker 1: on a beach somewhere in a month or a month

1454
01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:28,439
Speaker 1: and a half taking an offseason vacation. If the news

1455
01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:30,520
Speaker 1: comes down, there's going to have to be a podcast.

1456
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:34,400
Speaker 1: So we're not going away, Larry. He's waiting for your

1457
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:37,080
Speaker 1: guys in your July fourth vacations. That's what he's waiting for,

1458
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:38,559
Speaker 1: and that's what he's going to throw it out there

1459
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 1: when you guys are officially supposedly off the clock. I mean, wait,

1460
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 1: he's not thinking of us. I don't understand. Yeah. I

1461
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:48,080
Speaker 1: think he dislikes the Paul KELVC podcast theories and each

1462
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:50,080
Speaker 1: week he wants to hear the next one, so he's

1463
01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:52,120
Speaker 1: putting it off. He was ready to make a decision

1464
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:54,880
Speaker 1: a month ago, but he likes the theories too much. Yeah,

1465
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:57,080
Speaker 1: he keeps declining our invitation around here. He does all

1466
01:15:57,080 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 1: of a golf podcast, Larry, but he won't come on

1467
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:02,439
Speaker 1: Cardinals Underground. As we leave here, a little bit salty

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01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 1: I'll brought to you by Pacific Office Automation, proud partner

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Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals who, as we continue to wait,

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01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:15,360
Speaker 1: TikTok on Larry in more ways than one