Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, Hello, hello everyone. I'm Devin Simone and.
Speaker 2: I'm Davion Rogers and this is MTV's official challenge podcast.
Speaker 3: Yes, My, My.
Speaker 1: My, tell us about it day, tell us how you feeling?
Speaker 3: Bananas is all one this season. Yeah, I don't know
Speaker 3: what's going on.
Speaker 2: As I've stated in our previous podcast episodes, as a viewer,
Speaker 2: it's so good to watch because we want to see that,
Speaker 2: like it's so great to watch. As a cast member,
Speaker 2: I would have been trying to get him sent home immediately.
Speaker 1: Because I don't think, oh it on, and I'm a
Speaker 1: calm person. If he was clipping his toenails, I would
Speaker 1: loseize me like that. And by the way, shout out
Speaker 1: to Jordan for growth, because can you imagine years ago
Speaker 1: if Bananas had done that and Jordan was sitting right there.
Speaker 1: I certainly can't, but I don't know that I could
Speaker 1: have just and then he.
Speaker 3: Blew the toenails in their direction.
Speaker 1: Oh, I would have been going for every gray hair
Speaker 1: in his beard. I would have lost my mind. So
Speaker 1: I'm yeah, yeah, but he was just doing the most
Speaker 1: and the way he didn't even give Yeah, okay, we'll
Speaker 1: get this episode. It has a lot and a lot
Speaker 1: of feels. Okay. Also, if you had asked me to
Speaker 1: bet all the money I do or don't have, I
Speaker 1: never would have bet that Laurel oh ever in the
Speaker 1: challenge like ever ever? My what like I don't I
Speaker 1: think I still am not processing it. How do you
Speaker 1: feel about it?
Speaker 3: My jaw is on the floor. My jaw is.
Speaker 1: On the she quit, like, I wow, you not Michelle.
Speaker 2: No shape to Michelle, because I think Michelle's great at
Speaker 2: this game, but you let Michelle beat you.
Speaker 1: That was kind of some shame to Michelle. Do it?
Speaker 3: Ain't because I think she's great, But it's Laurel.
Speaker 1: Like we literally.
Speaker 3: Saw this challenge Mount Rushmore that they put up right.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, and then you quit, like go put my
Speaker 1: shelf face up there. I mean, I appreciate that Tory
Speaker 1: even gave Laura propasaid. Arguably I think it was Tory
Speaker 1: who said it. But like the best female challenger like
Speaker 1: ever like it and the fact that she quit. But okay,
Speaker 1: here's a theory that I know she may not. I
Speaker 1: it's kind of true for bananas too. But like what's
Speaker 1: interesting is I agree with Kara, and I love the
Speaker 1: way Kara handled her interview, like I love this. I
Speaker 1: love the chill, confident Car vibe. I just love it all.
Speaker 1: Meaning she could have thrown horrible shots at Laurel in
Speaker 1: this moment, right like as she was giving her talking,
Speaker 1: he had interviews and she didn't, and I appreciated that.
Speaker 1: She also in talking about like what's to come in
Speaker 1: her competition. I feel like in previous seasons we see
Speaker 1: her go back to that woe is me, you know,
Speaker 1: like the I'm the underdoone, and I love that this
Speaker 1: time it wasn't.
Speaker 3: She was like, let me remind myself of who I am.
Speaker 1: Yes'. She was just like, Okay, we have a tough
Speaker 1: you know coming up. All these women are powerhouses and
Speaker 1: we're gonna do what we do, and like, yes, that's
Speaker 1: the vibe. Kara. Love that. But with Laurel, here's my argument.
Speaker 1: I do kind of agree with Car. I think she
Speaker 1: looked around and saw her competition, and I think that
Speaker 1: at this stage in the game, this is the most
Speaker 1: stacked female competition at least, no shade to the minute.
Speaker 1: But I'm just not commenting on what those dynamics are.
Speaker 1: But for the female side, this is the most consistent.
Speaker 1: There are no weak links. There aren't any weak links
Speaker 1: in the women left. They're just there aren't. And if
Speaker 1: you think there are, you're playing yourself y. So I
Speaker 1: do think she kind of looked around and when things
Speaker 1: were getting harder, I think she thought, let me take
Speaker 1: me out before anyone else can claim they took me out.
Speaker 1: Do you get what I'm saying? Like she started quitting
Speaker 1: before it was even done, so that it wasn't like
Speaker 1: Laurel lost its eye. Was the one in control of
Speaker 1: taking me out of the game. I hope that take
Speaker 1: me out so that no one can say that they
Speaker 1: took me out.
Speaker 3: Baby, whether I took you out, you took you out,
Speaker 3: or the Lord took you out. You out. And at
Speaker 3: the at the.
Speaker 1: End of the day, why am I in it?
Speaker 3: Right now?
Speaker 1: Why I'm in it?
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, you came here
Speaker 3: to compete, So I don't care if you were in
Speaker 3: there with a stat group of Olympians. I don't know,
Speaker 3: Like you're here to compete.
Speaker 1: Why are you bringing THEO in it?
Speaker 3: I didn't say anything about.
Speaker 1: Him while watching this episode. We had debates when I
Speaker 1: was talking about THEO being in the Olympics, and so
Speaker 1: then we had to fact check that because that rumor
Speaker 1: has gone around, and then we realized, well, you guys
Speaker 1: can google it. So let's talk about this VIDI final
Speaker 1: and a purge.
Speaker 3: That Zaglo Kylin has a problem.
Speaker 1: I mean he lost Naya and said I'm gonna win
Speaker 1: this man, let me tell you.
Speaker 2: And and the conversation has been Jordan bananas, Jordan bananas,
Speaker 2: Jordan bananas.
Speaker 1: Are we not.
Speaker 3: Talking about Kylon? This man is eating up both Jordan
Speaker 3: and banana yep.
Speaker 1: And like, I think Kylon is a sleeper, and I
Speaker 1: think he dresses in those sensible basic angels, as our
Speaker 1: producer Nicole God did. I think he dresses in those
Speaker 1: scents of basics and neutrals to stay under the radar.
Speaker 1: And I think he trained from the last challenges to
Speaker 1: now like he's always had the mental fortitude. I think
Speaker 1: he's been low key training.
Speaker 3: Oh he did that.
Speaker 1: And to our girl Tori too, yes, beaten a lot
Speaker 1: of Oh my god, yes, girl toy.
Speaker 3: Is wild'ing out this season. My goodness, my.
Speaker 1: Goodness is doing the dang thing. You know who didn't
Speaker 1: do the dang thing?
Speaker 3: Oh lord ya Maya, Oh I was so sad to see.
Speaker 1: Also re least he didn't quit.
Speaker 3: He didn't, but I was still sad to see him go.
Speaker 2: Oh, I was said, and that's the thing about the equalizers,
Speaker 2: Like you could spend thousands upon thousands upon thousands of
Speaker 2: hours in the gym.
Speaker 3: Baby, you gotta work on that mine.
Speaker 2: Right, you have to work on you gotta do puzzles
Speaker 2: and all of the things, because those equalizers will get everyone. Ever,
Speaker 2: and we've seen it season after season after season after season,
Speaker 2: like and Neia Maya is usually really good, so I'm
Speaker 2: assuming it had to be this.
Speaker 3: This heat situation was taken over everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then Michelle she didn't quit either, and I
Speaker 1: respect that she didn't. She it seemed like she was
Speaker 1: ready to quit. And then she looked and she so lower.
Speaker 1: She goes, oh, you're still competing. Okay, okay, never run.
Speaker 1: I guess so you going shut out to a show.
Speaker 1: We're not quitting. And then we already knew that Tory
Speaker 1: was gonna throw bananas in Yeah, and we had that deliberation.
Speaker 1: He was really obnoxious, Like.
Speaker 3: So let me ask you this.
Speaker 2: She made a statement, right, she makes a statement and
Speaker 2: she goes, she had a prior relationship. They had a
Speaker 2: friendship her Bananas had a friendship, and she said maybe
Speaker 2: in this moment, there can be a way to mend
Speaker 2: that as if like almost giving the audience hope that
Speaker 2: you know, don't think that Jordan is like for sure,
Speaker 2: for sure safe do you think she meant that or
Speaker 2: do you think that was just not play for the audience.
Speaker 1: That was for TV girl was not And by the way,
Speaker 1: I love to see where their relationship has come. Talking
Speaker 1: about Jordan and Tory, Oh for sure, that makes me
Speaker 1: so happy. Like even when Jordan said I didn't win
Speaker 1: this daily, but I have an ex fiance who did, Like,
Speaker 1: I love that. That just made me so happy. So
Speaker 1: I'm happy for them. I think it's deadly for everyone
Speaker 1: in the house because they're two powerhouses themselves. Right. You
Speaker 1: imagine them on X's together now in the state that they're.
Speaker 3: It would be a problem. It would be a problem.
Speaker 1: And yeah, she was never gonna vote for Jordan, like
Speaker 1: she's only gona vote for Banas, and Bananas was just super,
Speaker 1: super obnoxious about it. And then he commented that she's
Speaker 1: playing a scared game and she he critiqued Kylon's attire,
Speaker 1: which arguably what has Banana's been wearing except for merch
Speaker 1: all season, and at least Kylon is wearing a sensible
Speaker 1: capsule wardrobe. But also, Tory hasn't been playing a scared game.
Speaker 1: If she was playing a scared game, she never would
Speaker 1: have taken shots at Banana anyway, because she arguably took
Speaker 1: shots at Banana's first, which is why he's hurt, and
Speaker 1: she took those shots as retribution for Devin. So yeah,
Speaker 1: she's not playing a scared game at all. I think
Speaker 1: he's just scared and doesn't know how to express his vulnerability.
Speaker 2: I think, Okay, I think, And this is my first
Speaker 2: time seeing this. I don't know if he's done it before,
Speaker 2: but this is my first time seeing this. This is
Speaker 2: my first time seeing his feelings hurt. Like, his feelings
Speaker 2: are truly hurt by Tory. Whatever relationship or friendship that
Speaker 2: they had prior to they were.
Speaker 1: Hurt by Mariah that time. Wait, don't you remember when
Speaker 1: they broke up? I mean not to bring that back up,
Speaker 1: but you know, okay, oh boy, sorry why I don't
Speaker 1: remember election, but I remember that.
Speaker 2: But continue, his feelings are genuinely hurt, like even when
Speaker 2: they were in deliberation and he was like you know,
Speaker 2: you've been there with me.
Speaker 3: You've been there with me in the trenches.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like, you've seen how this
Speaker 2: plays out by people that I care about, and now
Speaker 2: here you are somebody that I care about, and it's
Speaker 2: what do we do it?
Speaker 3: And I think his feelings are truly hurt by her.
Speaker 1: True. I mean, she's playing her games, thank you, you know,
Speaker 1: like you know, I've been playing the game and the knee.
Speaker 1: Now you're doing this. She's playing the game. Broh. That's
Speaker 1: how this works. And I think that's why Tory tried
Speaker 1: to stress like as a human, I care about you
Speaker 1: or whatever she said. I'm paraphrasing, but she tried to
Speaker 1: separate it, right, And I think outside of the game,
Speaker 1: when things cool off, he'll be able to recognize that.
Speaker 1: But I think in the moment he's very reactionary regarding
Speaker 1: his feelings, and he went into, oh my god, they're
Speaker 1: like picking on me, dude, you won seven times. Of
Speaker 1: course you're picking on you. You have a big mouth.
Speaker 1: Of course they're picking on you. Like what do you yet?
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's almost like it sucks as the person who's
Speaker 2: receiving it.
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day. It's low key
Speaker 3: a compliment. Mm hmmm, it's a compliment, like we have
Speaker 3: to get you out of here because you're a problem.
Speaker 3: You have to go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, can we can we acknowledge this fat between Josh
Speaker 2: and Michelle?
Speaker 3: Who sy were you on?
Speaker 1: Who were you? I actually am Team Josh because okay,
Speaker 1: but it's funny to watch though, because Michelle was clearly
Speaker 1: so pissed. Michelle is so pissed. I want to know
Speaker 1: who Well, okay, I feel like I know, but I
Speaker 1: don't know who you were for or like what team
Speaker 1: you're on.
Speaker 3: I'm always team Josh. But here's the thing though, even
Speaker 3: even if it.
Speaker 2: Wasn't Josh who said it, it was someone who someone else
Speaker 2: who said it, I feel like her saying it was
Speaker 2: it was. It was almost a tone in what she
Speaker 2: said it. She was like, I was understand, like you
Speaker 2: rooting for him is indirectly rooting against me, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: hold on, like it's not about you, right.
Speaker 1: She has like a mom godfather types, like it makes
Speaker 1: to the Godfather and the mom coming out like she's
Speaker 1: so kinny.
Speaker 3: Like you all your vegetables and then go take a
Speaker 3: shot literally.
Speaker 1: Literally, And the way she didn't even look at him
Speaker 1: half the time. She's just saying it like Barry Stern,
Speaker 1: but she's not looking at the night. It's so funny.
Speaker 1: And then he like storms off like a little kid.
Speaker 1: He was pissed, But Josh was right because I'm team
Speaker 1: looked strategically. I think that's the only smart thing we've
Speaker 1: seen Josh do for his game, because people do something
Speaker 1: this season later. Sure you can be like, look, I
Speaker 1: was rooting for you. I told you to move left
Speaker 1: on the elimination whatever, Like I think he's wealth and
Speaker 1: his right, and you're right, it's not about Michelle. So
Speaker 1: that was hilarious.
Speaker 3: And then we lose THEO. We do, we lose THEO.
Speaker 2: I hate to see him go out like that because
Speaker 2: he's such a competitor. And actually, no, let me take
Speaker 2: that back, because every time we see him, we see
Speaker 2: him in like.
Speaker 3: A hard, heavy hitting like boom, like you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So it was it was I don't know, I hate
Speaker 2: to see him go out like that, but it was
Speaker 2: it was good to.
Speaker 3: See him in a different a different type of elimination.
Speaker 1: I was gonna get him if there's a time to
Speaker 1: go out in that way. And not that he wants
Speaker 1: to go home, but like, I have so much respect
Speaker 1: for THEO. I think if it was heavy hitting, it'd
Speaker 1: be easy to just be like, oh did it get
Speaker 1: you know, like of course he's gonna win. But even
Speaker 1: the way TJ gave props and bananas, I thought that
Speaker 1: was very sweet, Like the way he get like the
Speaker 1: facer THEO kept up for that. Oh my god, is
Speaker 1: that size is so incredibly impressive. Okay, now let's talk
Speaker 1: about our gold Stars and our time.
Speaker 3: I like this. I like this.
Speaker 2: Okay, so gold star Okay, Okay, no nominees, nominee.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna nominate.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna nominate Josh for being a supportive friend. Okay,
Speaker 2: I really want to nominate him for being a supportive friend.
Speaker 2: I'm also going to nominate Kayland for being a power house,
Speaker 2: an absolute powerhouse. I'm gonna nominate THEO for this entire elimination.
Speaker 2: This elimination was crazy. And then I'm also gonna nominate Johnny.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna nominate Johnny not for the toenails, because I'll yuck,
Speaker 2: but for the fact that they done came after him,
Speaker 2: threw him down there twice and he done came back
Speaker 2: and like, what's up.
Speaker 3: We're we doing? Like he I understand that.
Speaker 2: People were saying or making accusations that he wanted to
Speaker 2: go home, and he was checked out on all of
Speaker 2: these things. But when he gets down there and that's
Speaker 2: saying I'm not seeing that. I don't see that, right,
Speaker 2: I'm seeing unless it's like okay, yeah, I want to
Speaker 2: go home.
Speaker 3: I want to go home.
Speaker 2: And then when he get down there, something click and
Speaker 2: he realized like, hey, you are like the face of
Speaker 2: this show.
Speaker 3: Wake it up, you know? So I don't I don't know,
Speaker 3: but I don't see that. I see fight. I see fight.
Speaker 3: I see fight. I see fight.
Speaker 2: Ultimately, I'm going to give my goal star to Kyland.
Speaker 2: I'm wanting to give my goal star to Kyland because
Speaker 2: I just I believe that Kylind not just because he's
Speaker 2: from Big Brother, but as somebody who is not from
Speaker 2: MTV to come over here and make his mark the
Speaker 2: way he is making his mark. Oh yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: the way he is.
Speaker 3: Making his mark.
Speaker 2: I am super, super proud of Kylin. So that's gonna
Speaker 2: get my goal to start to How about you?
Speaker 1: I like Kyland, but not for that reason. I mean, no,
Speaker 1: I like the way he's crushing it, but I don't
Speaker 1: love this for someone who's not from in TV to
Speaker 1: come over and tell y'all, betters, look, we just we
Speaker 1: just got you a seat at So it's not it's
Speaker 1: not a wooden seat. You get a fold out chair
Speaker 1: and that's it. Okay, you get a fold out chair.
Speaker 1: All right, it's a little it's a little rickety, and
Speaker 1: you get a paper plate. But you just got a
Speaker 1: seat at the table. All the Big Brother subvib or CBS. People.
Speaker 1: Don't get too comfortable.
Speaker 3: Don't get comfortable. Get comfortable in our house.
Speaker 1: Still in our house. But I did do you think
Speaker 1: Kylin did an exceptional job? And I think those are
Speaker 1: all fair nominations. I well, except for bananas. You shocked
Speaker 1: me with that one. I did not see that one
Speaker 1: coming on your gold Star nominations. Yeah, my gold Star
Speaker 1: nominations go to Kyland's also for winning. I thought he
Speaker 1: did an excellent job. He's been playing under the radar.
Speaker 1: He does, in fact, wear a sensible wardrobe on the show.
Speaker 1: And yeah, he's just I really do think he's a
Speaker 1: sleeper hit. Like I don't think people recognize how powerful
Speaker 1: he potentially can be tory my girl just kick me geez,
Speaker 1: Like I just there's nothing to say for people who
Speaker 1: want to hate on her or whatever else, Like you
Speaker 1: can't look at that performance and not say that she's
Speaker 1: not the greatest or one of the greatest, Like you,
Speaker 1: you just can't. For to THEO and his elimination skills.
Speaker 1: The way he handled this with such grace and such fight,
Speaker 1: I mean, truly impressive. And for Derek slash mss Cleo,
Speaker 1: I appreciate a good wig in the Challenge House. I
Speaker 1: also like that it had you know that HD lace
Speaker 1: right it laid really flat because it also looks good
Speaker 1: on Josh so I so I love to see it.
Speaker 1: It looked like it was a great texture. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Hopefully he got that on sale. But ultimately my gold
Speaker 1: star is going to have to go to THEO. I
Speaker 1: just love the way he handle it. I do feel
Speaker 1: like my guess is based on commentary that we saw
Speaker 1: in this episode in previous ones, is THEO got so
Speaker 1: comfortable with live he wasn't training and when he said,
Speaker 1: you know, at the beginning of the daily, He's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I got to kick it into gear before it's too late.
Speaker 1: I think he waited till it's too late, like I
Speaker 1: think in the Challenge House, if you have that realization,
Speaker 1: it's already.
Speaker 3: Told too late.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think if he had been a little
Speaker 1: better prepared, maybe he wouldn't have gotten in that situation.
Speaker 1: Like if his head was in the game a little more,
Speaker 1: maybe he would have wouldn't have been in this situation.
Speaker 1: But he put up one heck of a fight, and
Speaker 1: props to you THEO so good?
Speaker 2: What about you know what, I'm a firm believer that
Speaker 2: everything happens for a reason, and so you know, as
Speaker 2: much as we want to see him compete and do
Speaker 2: all of the great.
Speaker 3: Things, perhaps he was literally cast.
Speaker 2: On this season for divine purposes of finding Olivia. Like
Speaker 2: it could be just as simple as that, Like it
Speaker 2: could have been the door opener for him to find
Speaker 2: his person, then to find each other, and then he
Speaker 2: comes back and then he does what we want him
Speaker 2: to do on the show.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Who are you.
Speaker 3: Look at me?
Speaker 1: Because our girl is growing that love to see it
Speaker 1: and look, we love love over here.
Speaker 3: We support it.
Speaker 1: Even if it started in the Challenge House, who gets
Speaker 1: your time out?
Speaker 2: Oh Laurel put her in the corner immediately, put her
Speaker 2: in the corner immediately. I think I was more so
Speaker 2: disappointed more than anything. And I'm pretty sure she has
Speaker 2: her reasons and that's fine.
Speaker 3: But Laurel like and and and and then and then.
Speaker 2: I don't know, because I don't want to say that
Speaker 2: because I don't want to put that on anybody.
Speaker 3: But we don't expect that from her.
Speaker 2: But I don't want to put my expectations on her
Speaker 2: because that's that's a lot to carry.
Speaker 3: That's that's a lot, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: She can carry it. She's carried more. I think, Look, I.
Speaker 2: Feel like that's what happened with Kara, though we all
Speaker 2: put our expects And I say we because I I did,
Speaker 2: like I expect a lot out of car She's Kara,
Speaker 2: and so I think putting all that pressure on a
Speaker 2: person might not, you know, put them in a good space.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: TJ hates quitters. And look, my noums were bananas and
Speaker 1: the Tonyo clipping. It's so gross. I hate it, so gross.
Speaker 1: I really do think I would have thrown them at
Speaker 1: him or something. I don't know. I just wouldn't have
Speaker 1: handled that well. It was just a level of disrespect,
Speaker 1: like maybe he's trying to create a moment. I just
Speaker 1: I didn't like it. It was all but so that was
Speaker 1: a nomination for me. It's really kind of a tie
Speaker 1: because that really is just gross. So he gets part
Speaker 1: of it. I'm doing a day this week, he gets
Speaker 1: part of it. Laurel quitting I agree, And I think
Speaker 1: to me, her behavior was sort of quit being like
Speaker 1: I don't want to play because she knew she was behind,
Speaker 1: rather than just being like, you know what, today wasn't
Speaker 1: my day. You know, this wasn't my week. Shout out
Speaker 1: to all the girls who did it, and that part
Speaker 1: I just don't respect, like not dang Laurel.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, not cool.
Speaker 1: I mean I get it. I understand why she'd want
Speaker 1: to like why she'd feel that way, totally valid. But no,
Speaker 1: I do hold her to a high regard. If you
Speaker 1: make it's about rush War, sorry that I hold you
Speaker 1: to a high regard. It is what it is. So yeah,
Speaker 1: speaking of a high regard day, do you know what
Speaker 1: it is?
Speaker 3: What is it?
Speaker 1: Today? Is our two hundredth episode made hundred hundred what episodes?
Speaker 2: You guys have been listening to us talk for two
Speaker 2: hundred episodes, two hundred episodes.
Speaker 1: That's longer than Bananas has been on the challenge almost Okay,
Speaker 1: that is phenomenal. Thank you all for rocking with us.
Speaker 1: I also have to give a shout out to our
Speaker 1: fabulous producer Nicole couldn't do it yeah listening to our nonsense.
Speaker 1: We love you, Nicole, We appreciate you. Thank you, and
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Speaker 1: so much, and we hope that this fun and joy
Speaker 1: can continue. But happy two hundredth episode, hundredcial Challenge. We
Speaker 1: made it all right. So we have an incredible guest
Speaker 1: on the podcast today, me and Mayah Clark is going
Speaker 1: to join us. So don't go anywhere, we'll be right
Speaker 1: back after this.
Speaker 2: Ooh.
Speaker 1: People get excited for this one we have And if
Speaker 1: you could see by the way how fly he looks
Speaker 1: in his glasses, he's really channeling like a wise vibe.
Speaker 1: But we have in the house today mister Niamyah Clark
Speaker 1: himself the oh Gee probably one of the smoothest challengers
Speaker 1: you'll ever meet. And if you've met him in person,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about. This man can't help
Speaker 1: but speak game. It's like just not it just he
Speaker 1: just can't help it. But it's been so fun watching
Speaker 1: him play this game. Welcome to the podcast, Neamyah, Yes,
Speaker 1: thank you.
Speaker 4: I like that intro. I haven't been called smooved before,
Speaker 4: so I like that one.
Speaker 1: You know he gives us. He literally is just always,
Speaker 1: So you got to be on guard when you're around
Speaker 1: your mind because he just you know, he's always Hello,
Speaker 1: how are you? It was horrible to watch you leave,
Speaker 1: but we enjoyed watching you play this game. What are
Speaker 1: your immediate thoughts You just saw the episode for the
Speaker 1: first time, What are your feelings or your thoughts in
Speaker 1: watching that all unfold again?
Speaker 4: Oh? Man, you know, you go right back into being
Speaker 4: in the house. I go right back into the way
Speaker 4: that day.
Speaker 1: Went down when you started out in this episode you
Speaker 1: started as a target. Were you shocked that you were select?
Speaker 1: Because I also feel like as a whole, Neami, you're
Speaker 1: so likable, like truly and in the house we see that,
Speaker 1: and so were you shocked to be called as a
Speaker 1: target or what were your feelings about that?
Speaker 4: Actually, I wasn't because I knew that me and Michelle,
Speaker 4: we didn't have any issues at all in the house.
Speaker 4: But we also never talked game. So that's something that
Speaker 4: I would never take personal against somebody for saying my name,
Speaker 4: if one I never came up to you and had
Speaker 4: the conversation or it just never happened. So I wasn't.
Speaker 4: I wasn't shocked, y'all. See, I had a smile. I
Speaker 4: was laughing about it, just because I kind of knew
Speaker 4: it was going to happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that makes sense. You are a good sport
Speaker 1: on I'd say, like most of it, and when I
Speaker 1: more sort of your game play. We're talking about that
Speaker 1: moment back with Devin, remember where you tried to strike
Speaker 1: a deal and then it got a little messy and
Speaker 1: then it was a little but it's okay, things happened.
Speaker 4: Let's let's let's talk. Yeah, okay, So before going there,
Speaker 4: you know, me and Devin had I would say, like
Speaker 4: somewhat of a of a friendship outside of that because
Speaker 4: we did the pandemic together. He came down to Kansas
Speaker 4: City and we did a whole show where we lived
Speaker 4: together for a couple of weeks, so he was at
Speaker 4: Wes's wedding, so you know, going into the challenge, Wes
Speaker 4: was like, you know, Devins good, he's someone you can
Speaker 4: work with. I've already kind of talked to him. You know,
Speaker 4: he's not going to come after you. So this was
Speaker 4: an ongoing thing that had happened to where me and
Speaker 4: him at briefly talked one night when he was just like, look,
Speaker 4: we you and I haven't had to talk yet, but
Speaker 4: it's probably a good thing. But you know, let me
Speaker 4: know that we were good. So that was a continued
Speaker 4: thing because to me, it wasn't a one off deal.
Speaker 4: It wasn't you keep me safe this time and you'll
Speaker 4: be safe. It was like, if we're riding, I want
Speaker 4: to I want to row with you until the end.
Speaker 4: So this isn't even like this is a partnership that
Speaker 4: I thought that we were working out. So to me,
Speaker 4: I don't really do the deals. Me and Corey locked in,
Speaker 4: and when we locked in, it was for the whole season.
Speaker 4: It wasn't just for a couple of times to go around.
Speaker 4: So that's what that was to me. That wasn't even
Speaker 4: a deal, And I can definitely see how it came
Speaker 4: off messy like that, But I said it in there
Speaker 4: that all of the times that I connect with people
Speaker 4: is because I respect them outside of the game. So
Speaker 4: I try to rock with people who, you know, something
Speaker 4: more long term.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and that context is so helpful. This is why
Speaker 1: I'm glad you're here. Where do you stand on the
Speaker 1: whole Bananas Angels thing that we're seeing happen right now?
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 4: You know, there's one thing that that that man is
Speaker 4: going to do, and that's going to make a TV show.
Speaker 4: That man he is the Lebron James Like, it don't
Speaker 4: matter who is around him, He's going to take somebody
Speaker 4: to a championship. And and I think that's what we're
Speaker 4: seeing right now. And I think that it's actually coming
Speaker 4: at a good time in the season because that divide
Speaker 4: was real in the house and we went bowling like
Speaker 4: that divide that happened between Side one inside two and
Speaker 4: three and four because organically the way that the you know,
Speaker 4: the house was set up, we would spend more time
Speaker 4: with Era one anyway because they were just on our side.
Speaker 1: So a lot of times, you know, on your side
Speaker 1: of the house you mean physically Okay, So the house
Speaker 1: itself is divided into two okay, were you guys four
Speaker 1: room like that? That's what just so happens that everyone
Speaker 1: kind of wanted to be near their era or were
Speaker 1: you told these airs have to be here, these airs
Speaker 1: have to be there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we were. We were given the rooms, so basically
Speaker 4: given the rooms when we got there, but we got
Speaker 4: to choose our beds.
Speaker 1: Okay, but you didn't get to choose this side of
Speaker 1: the house. You were on the rooms. Oh, because that
Speaker 1: plays such a component in the game who you're near.
Speaker 1: I wonder what their thought process was in that, because
Speaker 1: it would have been interesting if say Era one and
Speaker 1: Era four were rooming closer to each other, would have
Speaker 1: been maybe a different game. What do you think, NeiMa?
Speaker 4: I think would have been a completely different game because
Speaker 4: I don't think that it would have even been people
Speaker 4: rooming with the eras. It would have just been the
Speaker 4: rooming with who they felt comfortable with. And I think
Speaker 4: that we would have saw a completely different dynamic in
Speaker 4: this type of house. We were forced to be an era.
Speaker 4: So in their mind, I think that's probably why they
Speaker 4: did that, because they know at night when you lay
Speaker 4: your head, those are the conversations that build up, don't matter,
Speaker 4: those are the whispering, and that's when you feel the
Speaker 4: most vulnerable, you feel comfortable. So I think that they
Speaker 4: knew that, which is why they kept us in the
Speaker 4: airs because if not, man, I feel like Bananas and
Speaker 4: Michelle would have probably been in the room and Devin
Speaker 4: would have been in the room like the beef that's
Speaker 4: brewed between them when that happened. So I think that
Speaker 4: it would have really changed the game.
Speaker 3: Oh wow.
Speaker 1: It also speaks to maybe a little bit of the
Speaker 1: tension with Kara and Laurel because they were forced to
Speaker 1: kind of interact more than maybe they would have the thing.
Speaker 1: And what are your thoughts, Nia Maya, Well, first of all,
Speaker 1: when you found out Laurel quit, When did you find
Speaker 1: out that Laurel was quitting?
Speaker 4: I mean she was quitting right in front of me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So were you shocked?
Speaker 4: You know, it was at a point where because of
Speaker 4: how hot it was outside bringing out the worst in us.
Speaker 4: I know, because because of how hot it was outside,
Speaker 4: and also you know, just based off of everything in
Speaker 4: the house, I could see that being a breaking point
Speaker 4: for her. I could definitely see how that was a
Speaker 4: breaking point. We're in sand dunes, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: Like her and both are going at it. She doesn't
Speaker 4: know which ones on the puzzle was wrong, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean? Like that means you got to go
Speaker 4: and do this whole thing over. She was trying to
Speaker 4: hear it. She wasn't trying to hear all that, so
Speaker 4: that I felt, like, you know, coming off of a win.
Speaker 4: For one, she's still coming off a win, and talking
Speaker 4: to her, she she didn't even really know what to
Speaker 4: do with that money, you know. So she's not even
Speaker 4: in a situation to where she needs the money, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean. So I think that sometimes you know,
Speaker 4: that could be a big motivating force. So for her,
Speaker 4: in her mind, her life is good. You know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying, she's good.
Speaker 1: So you're saying she wasn't hungry enough.
Speaker 4: Exactly, she wasn't. She wasn't hungry enough. Hungry got to
Speaker 4: because that's that's the thing that pushes you in these situations,
Speaker 4: because the body's going to give out. You know, you've
Speaker 4: been there.
Speaker 5: M h.
Speaker 4: It's that it's that w that you got on your chest,
Speaker 4: and if you don't have one going in, then halfway
Speaker 4: through it's going to fall out. And those are the
Speaker 4: people that we see that that fall through and they
Speaker 4: can't take the mental pressure, the challenge pressure that changes
Speaker 4: in the game. They can't take it, and you start
Speaker 4: to see him break. And that's why we look at
Speaker 4: Bananas and we look at these people because they built different,
Speaker 4: they've been different. Like when the game gets hard for
Speaker 4: other people they start that's when they start to come alive.
Speaker 1: Banana come on, yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like he
Speaker 1: he like kicks it. It's weird. It's like he already
Speaker 1: comes at a high gear, but then when it gets harder,
Speaker 1: I feel like he kicks it into this gear that
Speaker 1: doesn't like.
Speaker 3: Where did this come from the pocket? Did you pull
Speaker 3: this out of?
Speaker 1: Yeah? It's actually crazy, absolutely built it.
Speaker 2: I want to put this rumor to rest, and I
Speaker 2: feel like me and Mayah, I trust you to be
Speaker 2: the one to do it. So there is this rumor
Speaker 2: that's been going around saying that Bananas wanted to go home.
Speaker 2: You read my mind, Bananas wanted to go home. And
Speaker 2: then we watch him in these eliminations and he does great.
Speaker 2: I was telling Devin, if that is the case, I
Speaker 2: think he gets like a recharge when he goes into
Speaker 2: the eliminations. But I want to know from you, is
Speaker 2: that an accurate statement that he made it known that
Speaker 2: he wanted to go home after a certain amount of time.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: What I'm learning is that this is actually a strategy. Okay,
Speaker 4: so this right here is a strategy. You know, you
Speaker 4: come into the game, you pretend like you don't really
Speaker 4: want to be there, You only want to go halfway,
Speaker 4: so it makes people not look at you too much.
Speaker 4: That meanwhile, like, if that's the case, then get off
Speaker 4: the treadmill.
Speaker 1: Every day, right.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, I don't want to see
Speaker 4: you by no treadmill. I don't want to see you
Speaker 4: by no gym. If you're really trying to go home halfway,
Speaker 4: I want to see you up at night, and I
Speaker 4: want to see you sleep during the daytime. Don't let
Speaker 4: me catch you work out one time. So yeah, he
Speaker 4: said that, But that man was working out every single day.
Speaker 4: He wasn't playing. And I think that few between him
Speaker 4: and Devin is so big that you know, I don't
Speaker 4: think Banana's is going quin until he gets the last
Speaker 4: win over them, too. Really, I think he gonna be
Speaker 4: in it. You know, he can't have devas saying he's
Speaker 4: the last one I won between them two, So he
Speaker 4: might he might be going for the long haul. He
Speaker 4: might be trying to get that eighth win or whatever
Speaker 4: he going after.
Speaker 3: That's crazy interesting, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I can't imagine banana. If you're wired
Speaker 1: to be competitive like that, you just like, it's real
Speaker 1: hard to turn that off. So, speaking of turning it
Speaker 1: off or on, can you tell us in great detail
Speaker 1: more about this mini final?
Speaker 3: What was like?
Speaker 1: You talked about the heat. What are we talking? Are
Speaker 1: you like like eighty degrees like seventy with a nice breeze,
Speaker 1: one hundred degrees? How hot was it out there? How long?
Speaker 1: You know? Did you get breaks at all? That was
Speaker 1: there anything we didn't see in this mini final? Because
Speaker 1: it seemed like it almost broke a lot of y'all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, first of all, I saw a cable
Speaker 4: get dehydrated out there, stuck.
Speaker 1: He did not was a.
Speaker 4: Camera out there. It was fine early in the day
Speaker 4: and then between the middle of the day you almost
Speaker 4: started passing looking wings.
Speaker 1: Not a camel got dehydrated?
Speaker 4: How it was? It was a camel out there hanging out.
Speaker 4: I usually don't see camels in eighty degree weather. It
Speaker 4: was a for real whole came out there in the
Speaker 4: in the in the dude. So basically you get there
Speaker 4: and you just see just these hills and hills of sand,
Speaker 4: and then it's so hot that you know, normally they
Speaker 4: don't ever give us hats. That's how you know it's hot.
Speaker 4: If they let you wear a hat, it's hot. So
Speaker 4: that just let lets you know. The sun was beaming.
Speaker 4: And then also the humidity was hot.
Speaker 1: Right, Oh, it was so humid, right yeah, community is
Speaker 1: no joke. Good for your skin though, but no joke.
Speaker 4: No, it was. It was. I mean I came on
Speaker 4: looking like tyres, like when you still had to adding
Speaker 4: all types of aordness.
Speaker 3: Love, a chocolate glow, come on, come on.
Speaker 4: So you get there and then you know you're running
Speaker 4: in it. But then you gotta dig in sand. And
Speaker 4: what happened was is that there's these metal pieces that
Speaker 4: are hanging outside of the sand and they have a
Speaker 4: rope attached to them, and they tell you that you know,
Speaker 4: if you dig, but you pull off that rope, that
Speaker 4: rope is attached to a key is going to make
Speaker 4: it harder to find the key because this rope is
Speaker 4: attached to your key down in the sand, So we're
Speaker 4: basically trying to dig without pulling this rope off. One
Speaker 4: school got left after we all messed around and pulled
Speaker 4: our rope off, so now we're sitting at That's why
Speaker 4: you digging without any direction at all. So, yeah, the
Speaker 4: sand is falling. It's because that rope was supposed to
Speaker 4: guide us to whatever direction the key was in. And
Speaker 4: it's early on, like, look, don't pull on it, don't
Speaker 4: snap it, or else you're gonna have a much harder time.
Speaker 4: And that's what happened to the rest of us. So
Speaker 4: that was tough. And then we're paddle boarding, and you
Speaker 4: know that was pretty you know, you got like a
Speaker 4: nice little view and you got some water. And then
Speaker 4: and then of course my dumbass is on the paddle board.
Speaker 4: I'm thinking I'm going fast, and then here comes Derek
Speaker 4: just streaming by me, just cat and I look by
Speaker 4: it and he's just and he's not even breaking the
Speaker 4: sweat and he just looks sober me and he's just
Speaker 4: so calm, and he's just so loving, and he says,
Speaker 4: your paddle board is backwards and then he keeps going.
Speaker 3: That checks out there.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, all that sounds accurate. That is so funny. Wait, Anima,
Speaker 1: have you ever paddle boy? Have you had you ever
Speaker 1: paddle boarded before?
Speaker 4: Yes, only on the final though, because I've done I've
Speaker 4: done more wakeboarding.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, no, so I.
Speaker 4: Like that better. See, Like even though I you know,
Speaker 4: I do yoga and stuff keep a lot of my
Speaker 4: childhood trauma my hips, so I can't cross leg, so
Speaker 4: paddle board and doesn't feel that comfortable to me. My
Speaker 4: knees are coming up to my ears and stuff, you know,
Speaker 4: so it's not the most comfortable. But I have before,
Speaker 4: and uh I did good on the on the final
Speaker 4: four All Stars three when we had to paddle boy
Speaker 4: with the wrath and then paddle bar. But this time
Speaker 4: I wasn't I wasn't beaten Derek.
Speaker 1: And I feel like Derek is a sleeper. I feel like,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what's to come. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I try and stay unspoiled here. But man, because you
Speaker 1: are not the first person where I feel like Derek
Speaker 1: gets referenced to where he's doing something with ease sort
Speaker 1: of you know what. I mean where it's like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I just feel like Derek is going to
Speaker 1: surprise us. I'm hoping so man of secret this for him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like it's going to surprise us. Did anyone
Speaker 1: else surprise you from the mini final in terms of
Speaker 1: either how well they were doing or how terribly they did?
Speaker 4: Oh? Good question? You know. Avive surprise me watching her
Speaker 4: overcome because she was in the she was in the
Speaker 4: loser group with me, you know, so she went from
Speaker 4: being part of the loser groups a part of the
Speaker 4: winner group. I finished her in a puzzle. She surprised
Speaker 4: me in that toy. Can you know? You know, Tory
Speaker 4: actually continues to surprise me because I watch her just
Speaker 4: continue to develop and get better at the challenge, and
Speaker 4: at this point, you know, she's going to get some
Speaker 4: of the best women to ever compete, and she's still
Speaker 4: up on top, and not only that but by big numbers.
Speaker 4: So it's really impressive to watch her because you know,
Speaker 4: she's in that Jordan boat where they didn't start off
Speaker 4: like this. You know, they definitely didn't Jordan la goofy
Speaker 4: as hell when he first started.
Speaker 3: I don't know if y'all you.
Speaker 4: Know, I put Tory and and a lot of people
Speaker 4: who you see go through these hard times personally, because
Speaker 4: it's different when you're watch it on TV versus when
Speaker 4: you go through it with them. A lot of people,
Speaker 4: everyone in front of me on this challenge got my respect.
Speaker 4: Everyone who didn't get.
Speaker 3: Purged, everyone who didn't get purged. You know, you mentioned
Speaker 3: that you and Corey are like super locked in and
Speaker 3: we saw that, so like moving forward, because I'm listen,
Speaker 3: I've been clapping it up for Corey for him to
Speaker 3: go from like public enemy number one to like is
Speaker 3: he even on the show?
Speaker 2: Okay, like he's been undercover. So what is your hope
Speaker 2: for him moving forward in this game?
Speaker 3: Like what do you hope to see Corey do?
Speaker 2: Or you know, of course we want to see him
Speaker 2: get his win, But as far as in the house
Speaker 2: in the game, I just.
Speaker 4: Hope that Corey continues to do you know what he's doing.
Speaker 4: I think that he is learning that balance between understanding
Speaker 4: the power of the women vote but also not trying
Speaker 4: to be afraid of elimination. And I think that those
Speaker 4: are the two things that make a strong competitor, and
Speaker 4: he's taking out some top people so far. So I
Speaker 4: think that if he can continue to rely on that,
Speaker 4: he's good because at the end of the day, you know,
Speaker 4: like that was another thing that when I was talking
Speaker 4: to Devin, I wasn't trying to make a deal because
Speaker 4: I'm ever scared to go in. You know, There's there's
Speaker 4: never been a point in my game where I've ever
Speaker 4: tried to talk my way out of going into elimination.
Speaker 4: And I wasn't about to start here. And I think
Speaker 4: that Corey holds that too, And that's a powerful card
Speaker 4: because there's a lot of strong people who like the
Speaker 4: confidence in that area and sometimes that's all it takes
Speaker 4: for them to lose an eliminations they probably would have won.
Speaker 1: Look at him dropping. I told y'all, he came with
Speaker 1: his glasses that like the room, the mood lighting. We
Speaker 1: found out he's a yoga instruck. He's got it's like
Speaker 1: this vibe.
Speaker 3: It's calming. I think this might be the most calm
Speaker 3: we've been on the podcast. It's usually like really high.
Speaker 3: This is very like chier. I think that you can
Speaker 3: even like lay back, relax and enjoy this guys like
Speaker 3: a tun in tuns.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so good with that. You were consistently at calming
Speaker 1: presence in the house, doing the yoga, meditating. How do
Speaker 1: you stay calm in such a chaotic environment?
Speaker 4: Oh, man, powerful question. I think you know it's individual, right.
Speaker 4: We all know what our certain boundaries are. I know
Speaker 4: what my social battery is. And for me, the way
Speaker 4: that I stayed calm was being able to create safe
Speaker 4: boundaries for myself. That's my morning routine. Having my morning
Speaker 4: routine prepares me for I wake up before everybody. I
Speaker 4: go do yoga, do some journaling, do some meditating, workout, eat,
Speaker 4: and then by the time they get up, it's the
Speaker 4: time that I'm ready for my neck. So now I
Speaker 4: get to mingle with them a little bit, show face,
Speaker 4: and then I go lay down. And then now I
Speaker 4: get to start to balance the energies of the house
Speaker 4: because in the morning, that's when it's the highest. Everyone's
Speaker 4: just now getting up, you know, start every single you know,
Speaker 4: common facility is about to start getting busy, the gym
Speaker 4: is about to start getting busy. So for me, I
Speaker 4: told myself that it was okay that if anyone wanted
Speaker 4: to talk game, if anyone wanted to come to me,
Speaker 4: I did not have to talk to them until after
Speaker 4: my morning routine was done, It's okay for me to
Speaker 4: let them know. I'll have this conversation with you in
Speaker 4: an hour or two boundaries. Yeah, so that was that
Speaker 4: was the thing that really kept me safe because I
Speaker 4: promise you there was sounds where I was going crazy
Speaker 4: because you can't turn the noise off, Like you cannot
Speaker 4: turn the noise off. And I live by myself, like
Speaker 4: you said, like it's calm. That's what my house feel like.
Speaker 4: My house feels like.
Speaker 1: Man, just spa.
Speaker 4: It's so safe. And there you have no safe space,
Speaker 4: Like I tell you that there is no safe space.
Speaker 4: There is none. I had to create safe space where
Speaker 4: I could. So that's really what it was like, is
Speaker 4: just finding what you need to recharge and being okay
Speaker 4: with giving yourself that that self care time.
Speaker 2: What wasn't peaceful? And this is gonna be a hard
Speaker 2: shark even left. Okay, I want to get into this
Speaker 2: deliberation and get to the fact that like we said,
Speaker 2: like we said, okay, Johnny is going to do what
Speaker 2: he has to do to make great TV and we
Speaker 2: love to watch it as a viewer.
Speaker 3: But baby, the.
Speaker 2: Toenail clipping, what did you what did you think about that?
Speaker 2: Watching that back. I mean it was toenails.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's some nasty ship, isn't it. Though. That's
Speaker 4: that's some of that, you know. I mean, I think
Speaker 4: there's a collective word for it that we're not going
Speaker 4: to use on this podcast. That is that's what that is.
Speaker 4: You know, you don't do that. But look, at the
Speaker 4: end of the day, he knows what we're gonna be
Speaker 4: talking about. If he would have just went there and
Speaker 4: he would have just tried to act tough and tried to,
Speaker 4: you know, do a little speech, we wouldn't be talking
Speaker 4: about it. But he had to go in there. He
Speaker 4: had to bring up them nasty toes. He had to
Speaker 4: you know, he's going to he's going to give a shot.
Speaker 1: And but what was that? I feel like that's the
Speaker 1: show that eight year old gives. Like I actually am
Speaker 1: gonna say, I don't feel like that was a masterful showing.
Speaker 1: And I'm actually gonna say I hold Banana to a
Speaker 1: higher standard, not of him being mature because it's been
Speaker 1: in but given that he does put on good TV.
Speaker 1: He has been doing this so long. I feel like
Speaker 1: now looking at the tonail, thing feels real amateur hoursh
Speaker 1: like just real gross. But also I don't know, I
Speaker 1: feel like expect yeah, because you're just clipping her. It's
Speaker 1: just gross. Like it wasn't iconic, it was just gross.
Speaker 1: Like it wasn't super funny either. Now him talking about
Speaker 1: Kylin's sensible clothing, I think Kylan was well within his
Speaker 1: right and what he's wearing.
Speaker 2: But that part, my friend can dress okay, yeah, dress,
Speaker 2: my friend can dress Okay.
Speaker 3: He dressed like he going on Big Brother all the time.
Speaker 1: But he can dress okay.
Speaker 2: So like I was telling Devin on Big Brother, we
Speaker 2: have to wear solid colors, like every single day. They
Speaker 2: want to solid bright colors. But I think for the
Speaker 2: challenge he did the reverse because it's like solid like
Speaker 2: darker colors. Yeah, he's days like the page and different
Speaker 2: things like that, but it's still that solid. And I
Speaker 2: think it's because we're trained to wear those type of colors.
Speaker 2: So when we come on the challenge and we're like, wait,
Speaker 2: we can wear this, We're allowed to wear that.
Speaker 3: It's it's different.
Speaker 4: He dresses like like a gift card.
Speaker 1: You know what, We're that hilarious, you know, like there's
Speaker 1: nothing that there's no clearance, you're gonna need.
Speaker 3: Card. He knows it's gonna get approved.
Speaker 4: Every time everything about the South that is approved.
Speaker 1: It's so funny.
Speaker 4: Hit you with the open souls sometimes go straight to
Speaker 4: the airport. Don't say nothing off good like Cayline.
Speaker 1: I'm now never gonna look at you the same again.
Speaker 1: Thanks to you, gift Cardey. That is that is so good.
Speaker 1: If you were sitting across from Bananas when this nonsense.
Speaker 4: You know, I think let's let's let's break this down.
Speaker 4: I think at the at the core of that, the
Speaker 4: reason why he probably was not able to give that
Speaker 4: that antiic so much thought is because the underlying feeling
Speaker 4: that he felt was hurt and right, that he felt
Speaker 4: like he could depend on, and this was him being
Speaker 4: hurt more so than him trying to be a showman.
Speaker 4: So I think that this was almost more of a
Speaker 4: defense mechanism that he was putting up exactly exactly exactly
Speaker 4: that was, that was the inner child of him that
Speaker 4: felt hurt, that felt you know, betrayed, you know, felt
Speaker 4: like the one person and he even said it, you know,
Speaker 4: you've been in the trenches with me. Out of everyone
Speaker 4: I expected you to understand. So I think that that one,
Speaker 4: I think that one really uh, really hit him and
Speaker 4: cut him deep. So I think that that's what we
Speaker 4: were seeing. And I think had it been someone who
Speaker 4: he didn't care about as much, he probably would have
Speaker 4: been able to do something a little bit more funnier.
Speaker 4: This was more of a This was more of a.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah not you yeah.
Speaker 4: See, I don't want to break these people down like that,
Speaker 4: but I'll break these people down. We're gonna go down.
Speaker 4: That's why. That's why I got loved for them all,
Speaker 4: because like when they react and stuff, sometimes I just
Speaker 4: see exactly what it is that they're reacting for. You
Speaker 4: know what I mean, I is really just a place
Speaker 4: of being hurt and a place of being misunderstood and
Speaker 4: being in the house. You know. That's kind of like
Speaker 4: my job is just always to I could play the game,
Speaker 4: but just to make sure that everyone at least feels
Speaker 4: hurt around me and feels like, you know, that they
Speaker 4: have a home, you know what I'm saying, coming, yeah,
Speaker 4: talk me about anything. So that's kind of like the
Speaker 4: role that I've assumed coming into the house at this point.
Speaker 2: I love that because there are some of us, and
Speaker 2: I also feel in that same vein as you that
Speaker 2: some of us come on the show with a double assignment.
Speaker 2: So we come on the show of course to win,
Speaker 2: because we want to win, but then also we're on
Speaker 2: assignment for the humans inside of there, remind them that
Speaker 2: they are in fact humans.
Speaker 3: So I can appreciate that about you, absolutely.
Speaker 4: I appreciate that, and you're right, and then let's take
Speaker 4: it a tiny bit deeper. Every single one of us
Speaker 4: has been given this opportunity. This is like when we
Speaker 4: go in the challenge is really a microcosm of life.
Speaker 4: Things that trigger us on the outside trigger us in here.
Speaker 4: So I think that it's a sped up version and
Speaker 4: it allows us to grow so quick because we'll put
Speaker 4: the situations that we avoid on the outside world. For sure,
Speaker 4: each of us, each of us has a bigger purpose
Speaker 4: in that house. And sometimes, like when you're able to
Speaker 4: do like you do, you're able to step away from
Speaker 4: the money and then see, Okay, there is a bigger purpose.
Speaker 4: What is that for me? And what does it look
Speaker 4: like and share it? And I think that's when people
Speaker 4: start to really fall into their role with these platforms.
Speaker 4: Rather be the challenge, rather it be big Brother, because
Speaker 4: there's something bigger behind it than just these opportunities that
Speaker 4: we're given that makes us influencers or gives us a
Speaker 4: lot of followers. So that's that bigger side. And I
Speaker 4: think that when we start to step into that, we
Speaker 4: start to see vall version of television, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, like that version of television, because now it's
Speaker 4: showing people that we can go on this journey of
Speaker 4: this is how I reacted before and now that I
Speaker 4: have this information, this is now how I reacting. You
Speaker 4: got to see me in both areas and you got
Speaker 4: to see the growth. Just like where you are in life,
Speaker 4: you can grow to the next stage. And I think
Speaker 4: that that's part of television and reality TV is the
Speaker 4: journeys has really being able to watch people along, you know,
Speaker 4: real time.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 1: All Right, we got to take a quick break, but
Speaker 1: we will be right back after this.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's get back to the shell.
Speaker 1: So let's go into this elimination. It was just so funny.
Speaker 1: We see Josh and Michelle, right, and we see Josh
Speaker 1: cheering for both bananas and THEO like just try and
Speaker 1: then we see Michelle get real sniffy about it. What
Speaker 1: were your thoughts? And the interaction is very funny.
Speaker 4: It is very funny. I mean, obviously, if we're gonna
Speaker 4: go the evolved approach, then we would have to take
Speaker 4: a look at Michelle, and then we have to take
Speaker 4: a look at what she was upset about. And what
Speaker 4: made her upset is that he was cheering for a
Speaker 4: person that was targeting her. So what that means is
Speaker 4: that her reaction was based in ego. Her reaction was
Speaker 4: purely an act of what is this doing to me?
Speaker 4: You know, without looking at the fact that this person
Speaker 4: could potentially be friends with both of them, and both
Speaker 4: of these people could potentially need the support at this time,
Speaker 4: because these are two good people and he has a
Speaker 4: connection with them. So I we're gonna go the evolved approach.
Speaker 4: Obviously that response was based in ego, because obviously it
Speaker 4: is don't cheer for someone who's coming after me, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean? This like, don't cheer for someone
Speaker 4: who's coming after us. It's like me, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. So, but at that point in the game, honestly,
Speaker 4: you see these people, like everything they do, it's a
Speaker 4: bad relationship. At this point. Everything they do gets on
Speaker 4: your nerves. It's like that couple that have been around
Speaker 4: too long, like you're just looking at him, and you
Speaker 4: like the way you eat your breakfast, bothers me, everything
Speaker 4: about it.
Speaker 1: You exist the way you ex.
Speaker 4: Like at that point, you know, I know she was
Speaker 4: definitely at a breaking point, which is everything at the show.
Speaker 4: And sometimes you hear Josh cheering for everybody and.
Speaker 1: And but I love that about Josh though. Actually you're
Speaker 1: not killing it.
Speaker 4: Though, like you're watching people put some some poles inside
Speaker 4: of holes. No, they're not killing it right now, like
Speaker 4: what is killing it?
Speaker 1: They need to feel like they're killing it? Me and Minah,
Speaker 1: Josh is cheering them on. That is hilarious.
Speaker 3: You better put that pole in there. Do that you
Speaker 3: trained for this.
Speaker 1: Josh is like, good job. Me and Mia is like, no,
Speaker 1: you know, how do you think you would have done
Speaker 1: in this elimination? Am I?
Speaker 4: Oh? They killed it? I would have killed it. I'm
Speaker 4: used to jumping fences and stuff. I would have been
Speaker 4: all up in there like a little Ninja turtle.
Speaker 1: Come on, Josh would have cheered you on like you
Speaker 1: were killing it to the end.
Speaker 4: Only at when he saw good job, like nah, I
Speaker 4: like Josh and Josh his voice again.
Speaker 5: No, both of you, not a sweat has been broken
Speaker 5: yet nobody like, let's just they're doing they're doing mediocre.
Speaker 1: Oh so funny, so funny. Okay, if you had gone
Speaker 1: against THEO, you said you would have crushed it. So
Speaker 1: like if you've gone against THEO, my guess is you
Speaker 1: would feel like you would have won, like you good
Speaker 1: odds to win. If you've gone against Bananas, do you
Speaker 1: think you still would have won?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think so. I think so, just because
Speaker 4: I'm still more nimble than him. Okay, but the thing
Speaker 4: about Bananas though, like at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: that man is like Tom Brady, he gonna find a
Speaker 4: way to win. Like that man is going fine old
Speaker 4: way to win. Yeah, so it would have been I
Speaker 4: think it would have for real been neck and neck.
Speaker 4: I think that we both would have been going. But
Speaker 4: I think I could have had an edge. I don't know.
Speaker 4: He's so good, like he'll come out with a win
Speaker 4: that you never expect. So I'll say fifty to fifty.
Speaker 2: Well, you made sure with these karma votes that the
Speaker 2: win one't gonna be too good because you gave.
Speaker 3: Them a one.
Speaker 2: So as we get into these karma votes at the
Speaker 2: end of the episode, you give Corey five for sure
Speaker 2: Banana gets a one.
Speaker 3: Anybody else you want to tell us about or what
Speaker 3: was your strategy as far as giving understanding, We're confused.
Speaker 4: First of all, we were confused giving the points around.
Speaker 4: We don't know what's happening. We don't know that. All
Speaker 4: you know is that this can impact the game, rate
Speaker 4: them one to five. We don't know what we're doing.
Speaker 4: So at the end of the day, what I thought
Speaker 4: was the more vote you have is like the more
Speaker 4: points it gives you. So I wanted to make sure
Speaker 4: that all of the people who I know physically and
Speaker 4: who I knew didn't need any help, didn't get any
Speaker 4: extra help. So it wasn't more of a popularity thing.
Speaker 4: So I knew like Jordan likes to be the underdog.
Speaker 4: If they were to do negative points, he would ask
Speaker 4: everybody to.
Speaker 3: Give him negative probably here, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: That's how he liked to play, so like I was
Speaker 4: only doing what he likes. See, Bananas would get mad
Speaker 4: and think that it was a personality thing from me
Speaker 4: getting them on one thing, and I don't love him,
Speaker 4: but that's not the fact. I do love you, Bananas,
Speaker 4: And why did you give him one? Because I wanted
Speaker 4: to give other people higher chances to win.
Speaker 1: Derek Corey, was that because Derek told you was records?
Speaker 4: I think it was how he told me. It still
Speaker 4: felt like it was based in love.
Speaker 1: I bet it was. Really that's.
Speaker 4: You know, so we want to see as viewers, we
Speaker 4: want to see somebody new when at the end of
Speaker 4: the day, it's great to see our return. Undeserving, absolutely,
Speaker 4: and anybody who makes it to that final, you know,
Speaker 4: I feel like it is deserving because either way you
Speaker 4: had to fight your way physically or you had to mentally,
Speaker 4: because dealing with people sometimes is sometimes easier just to
Speaker 4: go in Twitter arena, like, yeah, I got to talk
Speaker 4: to sixteen of y'all and I just got to go in.
Speaker 4: Sometimes that's easier, and a lot of people don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do have this question being as Laurel quit.
Speaker 2: She quit, do you think that she deserved to give
Speaker 2: votes out at the end?
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, yeah, because I think that I think that
Speaker 4: she wouldn't have quit if it wasn't a purge. What
Speaker 4: do you mean, I think that she quit knowing she
Speaker 4: was about to lose.
Speaker 1: I think it was one of those dive into that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because it because knowing she's about to lose. So even
Speaker 1: if it wasn't a purge, if she was coming in
Speaker 1: last place, okay, she had the opportunity to go into okay.
Speaker 1: So yeah yeah, check out knew she could fight her
Speaker 1: way back.
Speaker 3: Yes, it was out of her hand.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh yeah, it was hot. And then once
Speaker 4: you know how it goes with those puzzles, those memory puzzles.
Speaker 4: If you get one wrong, you don't know which one
Speaker 4: is wrong you got, Well, now you gotta start changing
Speaker 4: every single thing about your puzzle. So when it's that hot, y'all,
Speaker 4: I don't care how tough you are, Like, it brings
Speaker 4: out a different type of person. I feel like most
Speaker 4: fights and wars break out in the heat.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really disappointing seeing her see that do that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I guess she deserved You know who didn't
Speaker 1: deserve any car points. Tony don't get me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why they call him Tony the time. Every
Speaker 4: single time me talk, he said me in back generations, Jesus,
Speaker 4: every single time. I feel like somebody just got dripped
Speaker 4: dropped off from the Renaissance era?
Speaker 3: How did you deliver calm shade?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: How was the shade calm, this peaceful shade.
Speaker 1: Not the Renaissance era. So funny. Okay, So with the
Speaker 1: karma boats Day and I were trying to figure it
Speaker 1: out because it's seems people have mixed match strategies, right,
Speaker 1: and some people like Laurel. It's funny she didn't want
Speaker 1: Bana's here, but that Laurel doesn't even think he's going
Speaker 1: to make it to the final, right, Yeah, and so
Speaker 1: that's why she's like, I don't I want to give
Speaker 1: him something low because he's not even gonna make it.
Speaker 1: I feel like whether they make it or not is
Speaker 1: irrelevant when assigning your votes.
Speaker 4: That was weird. She shouldn't have gave him a one.
Speaker 4: That was on some that was weird because they they
Speaker 4: they are like close, y, they're friends. I wouldn't give
Speaker 4: my friends a one.
Speaker 1: So you're saying, if Davon and I are ever competing
Speaker 1: with you, and then okay, we'll get fives. In the
Speaker 1: convent y'all heard it here. I hope everyone listening is
Speaker 1: just taking notes.
Speaker 4: It's going off. I'm writing a new number in it.
Speaker 1: I like it.
Speaker 4: Y'all both get that.
Speaker 1: I like it. Leo DiCaprio likes that number two okay,
Speaker 1: so ma'am, we if you get it, you get it.
Speaker 1: But we are so sad to see you go. But
Speaker 1: if just a couple more pieces of insight, who would
Speaker 1: you say is the under the radar person to watch
Speaker 1: without gett anything right? But in future episodes both guy
Speaker 1: and girl, who is someone who might be under the
Speaker 1: radar but you think might surprise us as the show
Speaker 1: goes on?
Speaker 4: Ooh, good question. I think now we are. It's all
Speaker 4: of the krem dela krim now and they didn't get
Speaker 4: rid of my ass, so you know now it's.
Speaker 1: Really you're still up there.
Speaker 4: We're real to occupetitives. The lay up is gone. Ladies
Speaker 4: and gentlemen, I think you always gotta watch Bananas, Like,
Speaker 4: just watch him. I think he like, he won't be sneaky.
Speaker 4: He gonna pretend like he don't want to be there,
Speaker 4: but he gonna do everything he wants. He's gonna try
Speaker 4: to get that eighth whatever this eighth win. So yeah,
Speaker 4: watch out.
Speaker 1: He tricky and the girls is under the radar?
Speaker 4: Are Aviv for me is under the radar the radar.
Speaker 4: I think Aviva is doing so good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, niamayah, we have truly enjoyed having you on so much.
Speaker 2: Thank you for coming to hang out with us and
Speaker 2: kicking it on the podcast. And if the people want
Speaker 2: to keep up with you on social media, where can
Speaker 2: they follow you?
Speaker 4: Socials on the media is going to be my Instagram,
Speaker 4: the same the hub to every thing. My TikTok is
Speaker 4: about to come out the YouTube channel. Basically it's a
Speaker 4: whole revamp. I've been traveling the world recently filming a
Speaker 4: bunch of really cool content I love that. All based
Speaker 4: around music production, based around like using healing elements inside
Speaker 4: of like house music, and basically I've been traveling the
Speaker 4: world collecting sounds, collecting experiences, eating at some of the
Speaker 4: best vegan spots all over, from like Berlin to the Netherlands, Candadate,
Speaker 4: that's all over. So my journey is it's about to
Speaker 4: really start being pushed out more now that the challenge
Speaker 4: is over, and my content to go back to you know,
Speaker 4: more of like the sound and mindful healing and stuff.
Speaker 4: So that's really where it's gonna be, and it's going
Speaker 4: to be windiful to help people get through whatever they
Speaker 4: getting through.
Speaker 1: I love that, love that, Niamayah, thank you for always
Speaker 1: being a good representation of Casey. By the way, I
Speaker 1: had to get on your friend Naya last episode because
Speaker 1: she was clowning on our city because she couldn't remember
Speaker 1: the name Casey all day every day. But thank you
Speaker 1: for making time on the podcast. It is always so
Speaker 1: fun to watch you in your element and we are
Speaker 1: certainly excited to see what's coming next in the chapter.
Speaker 1: And your authenticity, sir, will get you cast time and
Speaker 1: time again. I mean, I'm not a casting director, but
Speaker 1: it will.
Speaker 4: Thank you will thank you yours too. That's why y'all
Speaker 4: both on the show.
Speaker 3: Thank you such a great interview.
Speaker 2: I love when the cast members come and talk with
Speaker 2: us and give us the inside scoop and the tea
Speaker 2: that we did not get to see. Makes me so
Speaker 2: excited and makes me want to know where the people
Speaker 2: can follow you on socials and media. Devin, Where are
Speaker 2: you on the socials of the media's.
Speaker 1: Woo on the socials of the media's You can find
Speaker 1: me on Instagram at Devinsmone Devin with the y smoth
Speaker 1: and I. You can also find me on TikTok Devin
Speaker 1: with the y smoth and I. You can find me
Speaker 1: on Amazon Live just google Devinsmone and Amazon next to
Speaker 1: each other and it'll come up. We do trivia over
Speaker 1: there now, ooh, maybe I'll do some trivia. Ooh so yeah,
Speaker 1: come follow there. You can also go to my website
Speaker 1: devinsimone dot com day where can the people rock with you?
Speaker 3: I'm not doing Challenge trivia. I don't think I'm that good,
Speaker 3: but we want to see you guys there. You can
Speaker 3: find me on the socials and media US.
Speaker 2: At Davon Diane Underscore on all social media platforms, and
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