Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. Were all about
Speaker 1: that high school drama, Girl Drama, Girl, all about them
Speaker 1: high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in
Speaker 1: our comic Girl Cheering for the drama Queens want girl fashion,
Speaker 1: but you'll tough, girl. You can sit with us. Girl Drama,
Speaker 1: Queens Drama, Queen's Drama, Queen's Drama, John mc Queen's Drama,
Speaker 1: Queen's Hey, everybody, Happy New Year, Hope everybody's doing great.
Speaker 1: Episode ten is don't take me for granted? And which
Speaker 1: is you know, kind of a surprisingly difficult concept to
Speaker 1: explain to children. I was saying that the other day
Speaker 1: to Maria, like something about being taken for granted, and
Speaker 1: she was like, what does that mean? Like it's like
Speaker 1: when someone doesn't appreciate you, but they It's like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's kind of hard to explain. I don't
Speaker 1: know why I'm talking about this their November because this
Speaker 1: is our therapy. Joy, this is what we do with
Speaker 1: each other. We're gonna work it out. Oh my lord,
Speaker 1: concerns Nathan tells Karen, who lights up on Lucas about
Speaker 1: taking the heart test. Wow, we loved that. Meanwhile, Keith
Speaker 1: accepts Dan's offer to continue working at the dealership as
Speaker 1: vice president, and Peyton must confess must confront rumors at
Speaker 1: school that she is a lesbian, which affects her friendship
Speaker 1: with Anna, while the gap between Nathan and Haley continues
Speaker 1: to grow heavy lots of stuff in this one. Each
Speaker 1: one of us had a really kind of like big episode. Um,
Speaker 1: you know the stuff that Sophia had to do with
Speaker 1: all the Felix stuff, and that I was very uncomfortable
Speaker 1: by the end of the episode because that feeling of
Speaker 1: being a young woman having to say yes to something
Speaker 1: that you don't really want to say yes too because
Speaker 1: you know the other person it really needs to hear it.
Speaker 1: That the feeling of being pleasing, Oh, it was so triggering,
Speaker 1: and you handled it so well and enjoy You had
Speaker 1: your huge episode with Chris, and then my storyline is
Speaker 1: probably one of the biggest in the series for me.
Speaker 1: You know, this is something that we keep coming back
Speaker 1: to when we meet fans, and so this is an
Speaker 1: iconic moment for Peyton. I was, so should we just
Speaker 1: start with that? Do you want to start talking about?
Speaker 1: But now let's start with Brooke, because we start with
Speaker 1: the broken windshield in the episode. Yeah, that's right, Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: let's do in proper order. Yes, okay, Well the first
Speaker 1: the first thing I have on my many pages of
Speaker 1: notes is high school fashion. Oh, yes, yes, we need
Speaker 1: to talk. Yes, okay, there's plenty of fashion in here. Um,
Speaker 1: Sophie and I were talking before we started taping. Gusts
Speaker 1: just started back at school, right because he's now vaccinated
Speaker 1: and he's back at school, and his middle school is
Speaker 1: attached to the high school. And so for the last
Speaker 1: week I've been doing pickup and oh my god, these
Speaker 1: children were sweatpants every day, sweatshirts, sweatpants every days with
Speaker 1: their cool school outfits. And we're pissed guys because we
Speaker 1: had to wear tight pants and low rise jeans and
Speaker 1: culture tops girl, you know, and high heels plaid Abercrombie
Speaker 1: skirts I wore. I mean, oh yeah, you had to
Speaker 1: get ready, you had to get right now. It's like,
Speaker 1: just throw your hair in a low tight bun and
Speaker 1: throw some hoop earrings on and go to school like
Speaker 1: nobody's you know. I love it now. I don't want
Speaker 1: anyone to feel objectified. But here's here's my take on it.
Speaker 1: You get this one little teeny tiny chunk of time
Speaker 1: in your youth to experiment. And so you need to
Speaker 1: have a goth year, you need to have a hip
Speaker 1: hop year, you need to have a tomboy year, like
Speaker 1: you need to go through the face Lamb year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you just have to try things out. And um and frankly,
Speaker 1: all the mothers in the pickup line are really counting
Speaker 1: on you to like dress up and not wear I'm
Speaker 1: just it's been totally stressing me out. So for anybody
Speaker 1: out there listening, like, get up at six thirty and
Speaker 1: put your clothes on. Yeah, we like that, just like
Speaker 1: because didn't always did it when she when I came
Speaker 1: out in the morning and saw that saw that broken windshield.
Speaker 1: It also, you know, I get the ideas of brick
Speaker 1: got thrown through it, but it looks like somebody took
Speaker 1: a golf club to that thing multiple times. It was
Speaker 1: an aggressive break. I was racked, it was recked. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot for brook in this episode, and um,
Speaker 1: a big reveal that that mouth was the one at
Speaker 1: the end who actually broke through winshield Um. That didn't
Speaker 1: totally track for me. I feel like he maybe would
Speaker 1: have broken Felix's car windshield. It felt like a little
Speaker 1: misplaced that it was Brooks. Um, I don't know, what
Speaker 1: did you guys think about that? You know what I
Speaker 1: liked about it. I liked how vulnerable he got with
Speaker 1: Lucas walking by the river court because he says it
Speaker 1: was just another party where I was the only one
Speaker 1: who ended up without someone. And and what I I
Speaker 1: guess the reason I'm glad it was Brooks Winshield and
Speaker 1: not Felix's is it was an honest kind of poking
Speaker 1: against the way that a lot of of men blame
Speaker 1: women for not being attracted to them. Yeah, and and
Speaker 1: we saw Mouth own it, feel bad about it, admit
Speaker 1: to doing this really inappropriate thing because none of this
Speaker 1: is Brooks fault in the first place, and try to
Speaker 1: make it right. And that I thought was really healthy
Speaker 1: modeling for kids. I appreciate that also. And Brooke doesn't
Speaker 1: want to be with Felix either, Mouth like, man, you
Speaker 1: guys should just talk about this. Yeah. Yeah, And when
Speaker 1: Lucas tells him that, and he's like, but I didn't know.
Speaker 1: You see just that this boy doesn't know where to
Speaker 1: put his feelings, so he literally throws them towards the
Speaker 1: person who's hurting his feeling? Girl, did you just make
Speaker 1: that a metaphor? Did I? I went to callege? But
Speaker 1: then Brooke follows it up with this like lovely interaction
Speaker 1: with Lucas, which we should definitely dig into, because, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess for me, hiding my real feelings has been
Speaker 1: in a journey, you know, since I was in middle
Speaker 1: school and not wanting to admit to things, and to
Speaker 1: watch you navigate that in a really kind of lovely way.
Speaker 1: You're trying so hard to be fun and like not
Speaker 1: admit that there's still an attraction, but it feels really
Speaker 1: good to be around this person. Yeah, and it ties
Speaker 1: really well in the episode. The writers did a good
Speaker 1: job because in the sort of this episode has a
Speaker 1: great opening sequence. The teaser is really good with the
Speaker 1: with the car, with what everybody's doing with with then
Speaker 1: you know Nathan waking up on Lucas's floor, Hayes panic,
Speaker 1: doesn't know where he is. Turns out Lucas has been
Speaker 1: hiding Nate for the night, and then Brooke comes in
Speaker 1: being like, oh, you're related double double A O F twos.
Speaker 1: Here you know, they're teasing each other and that's her default,
Speaker 1: is the joke, and then she kind of drops it
Speaker 1: and has to say, you know, I just thought maybe
Speaker 1: we could walk to school together, and and they start
Speaker 1: reconnect thing and she tells him that she misses talking
Speaker 1: to him, and and it is it's really tender, and
Speaker 1: she's trying to hide it, but there's a sweetness to
Speaker 1: that that that was nice to play. I've always found
Speaker 1: that to be the hardest part of any breakup is
Speaker 1: the friendship that you build um in it, in the
Speaker 1: intimacy of being in a relationship with someone that whenever
Speaker 1: the relationship ends, it's like, romantically we just aren't. This
Speaker 1: does not work. But I always miss the friendship and
Speaker 1: the I mean, if I don't miss the friendship, then
Speaker 1: I definitely know it was the right But there have
Speaker 1: been there have been a couple of breakups in my
Speaker 1: life where I was like, we can't be together, but
Speaker 1: damn I really miss the just the friendship and the talking.
Speaker 1: And I could totally relate to Brooken that, like can
Speaker 1: we still Just I miss just you know, spending time
Speaker 1: with you, and you're a great person and we get
Speaker 1: along and it's nice to have people outside of your
Speaker 1: typical bubble. You know, like if Brooke has been hanging
Speaker 1: out with the same cheerleaders and athletes and like the
Speaker 1: popular kids for the last ten years, you fall into
Speaker 1: a rhythm where it's like, what do we talk about?
Speaker 1: We talk about clothes, We talked about them all, we
Speaker 1: talk about this. And so to have that person that
Speaker 1: comes in from the peripheral that talks to you about
Speaker 1: real stuff or just about your feelings or you can
Speaker 1: just be quiet with Like for all of Lucas's whatever,
Speaker 1: he does strike me as a person that you could
Speaker 1: sit in silence with and just like hold space. And
Speaker 1: and sure, it's a valuable energy where I get it.
Speaker 1: I get why Brooke is like you're different, and I
Speaker 1: just like whatever you've got going on here, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a sweet, kind of tender experience. And and what
Speaker 1: strikes me for all three of us is everyone is
Speaker 1: trying to navigate a new relationship that they don't quite understand.
Speaker 1: Trying to navigate a new relationship ship with Lucas. Haley
Speaker 1: is trying to figure out what this thing is with
Speaker 1: Chris Keller. Is it about music? Is she attracted to
Speaker 1: this person? It would make sense if she was, he'd
Speaker 1: be what maybe only the second boy she'd ever experienced
Speaker 1: that with, and and Peyton's trying to figure out not
Speaker 1: only this is does she have a real friendship with
Speaker 1: Anna or not, but Peyton's trying to navigate a relationship
Speaker 1: to her own mental health. Big. Oh, it's a big moment.
Speaker 1: I mean that that moment at the end of the
Speaker 1: episode where you come to see me and you, you know,
Speaker 1: you talk about how everything is piling up and you
Speaker 1: don't want to need help but you feel so alone.
Speaker 1: I was like, I was choked up and and wishing
Speaker 1: that I was really happy to see that on screen
Speaker 1: and to think about it in two thousand four and
Speaker 1: just wishing we'd we'd been able to to navigate further
Speaker 1: into that. But of course it's a drama, so there
Speaker 1: has to be the device of that's right when the
Speaker 1: boy walks out of the back room, I was like, honestly,
Speaker 1: say with us, you stay with the friends. Honestly, Like,
Speaker 1: if if this show was happening today, like Peyton would
Speaker 1: go to therapy, Peyton would like, you know, like work
Speaker 1: on things in a manner that we can talk about now.
Speaker 1: But in two thousand four, the answer to every problem
Speaker 1: was who you're kissing, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: it's always the solution is always a dude. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I actually don't know that it's that different nowadays, you think.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think there is in maybe
Speaker 1: in more um gentrified or like city environments, there's a
Speaker 1: little bit more of an openness to go to therapy
Speaker 1: or to talk about all my therapist this or that.
Speaker 1: But I think the majority, at least of America, you know,
Speaker 1: in smaller towns, you know, they still have a way
Speaker 1: of of doing things that were obviously there's something that's
Speaker 1: so lovely and charming and and wholesome about all that.
Speaker 1: But I think there's also still maybe a stigma around
Speaker 1: therapy or you know, struggling with trying to do something
Speaker 1: that maybe seems progressive and then you don't want your
Speaker 1: friends to to make fun of you, or for seeing
Speaker 1: a doctor about your emotions or mental health. Can can
Speaker 1: still be um something that is is looked down on.
Speaker 1: So I I do love I don't know where I'm
Speaker 1: going with this, but I guess I I don't know
Speaker 1: that it's so much different today than it would have
Speaker 1: been back then. Well, you know what's interesting is I
Speaker 1: think you're right in a lot of ways. Joy Like.
Speaker 1: I think that, yes, we're in a in a in
Speaker 1: a stage where we might be more open about it,
Speaker 1: but a lot of people are still scared to admit
Speaker 1: that they're struggling. And I think that I think that
Speaker 1: that is okay. I think that it's important even when
Speaker 1: we get to talk about this stuff, to say what
Speaker 1: we wish the girls we played, the ways we wish
Speaker 1: they might have been supported. It's it begins to open
Speaker 1: it for all of us. And you know what's what's
Speaker 1: really interesting to me. I got to be part of
Speaker 1: this talk yesterday and um and the guy who came
Speaker 1: from the sort of clinical expert side of mental health
Speaker 1: was saying that so often it's being left alone in
Speaker 1: your pain that causes trauma. You can, you can experience
Speaker 1: a traumatic event, but when you're then left alone, when
Speaker 1: you don't have anyone to tell your story to, when
Speaker 1: you don't get those words out of your body, that
Speaker 1: is what sinks the trauma into you. Because your process
Speaker 1: it's ride even a friend. I mean, if you think therapy,
Speaker 1: if you look at therapy and it's like, oh it's
Speaker 1: booge you to go see a therapy. You go to therapist.
Speaker 1: You know my lucky You like, okay, fine, but I
Speaker 1: find a friend to find someone that you can get
Speaker 1: it out of your body. And that's why I love
Speaker 1: that scene between us so much, because Peyton reached out
Speaker 1: to her safe container, and you see both of these
Speaker 1: girls feeling alone, and because of the TV writer drama
Speaker 1: Felix coming out of the bathroom moment, Peyton leaves. But
Speaker 1: then you see Brooke while Felix is talking to her,
Speaker 1: also feeling alone. And these kids are just trying to
Speaker 1: figure out where to either express their pain or how
Speaker 1: to medicate with it. And Brooke medicates with a boy,
Speaker 1: and Peyton is about to medicate in a very bad way.
Speaker 1: And and then, by the way, who shows up but
Speaker 1: a boy, but it's Jake Tilski and we love it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a different love. I was thrilled at the moment.
Speaker 1: But wait, wait, we have to go back, We have
Speaker 1: to go back with order. I'm sorry. I'm sorry because
Speaker 1: I'm very excited to talk about this Peyton storyline. But
Speaker 1: I do want to address one thing, which is the
Speaker 1: Felix Friends with benefits blowing up in everyone's face. My
Speaker 1: my topic for um for pondering, which you spend too
Speaker 1: much time on it. But but does friends with benefits
Speaker 1: ever really work? I feel like somebody always loses. And wait,
Speaker 1: have either of you like done Look? Have you done this?
Speaker 1: I'm too emotional. If I'm like with someone, I have
Speaker 1: to be in love. I'm not. I can't, y'all. I'm
Speaker 1: reading my journal from high school because I'm working on
Speaker 1: my next book, and so I just pulled out like
Speaker 1: all my journals. No, I had a great time. Like
Speaker 1: it was awesome because because if you are up front
Speaker 1: in the beginning right, and you maintain that boundary like you,
Speaker 1: you absolutely like keep you can't ignore it, you can't
Speaker 1: say it once and then, but you're not combative about
Speaker 1: it like Brooke is. Brooke is like, don't even look
Speaker 1: at me in the face, don't touch me, Like you
Speaker 1: just sit there and talks like Julia robertson Pretty Woman. Kiss. No.
Speaker 1: I mean there were kids that I had grown up
Speaker 1: with since kindergarten who we kissed like senior year in
Speaker 1: high school, and it was like we all knew we
Speaker 1: were going other places, but it was so fun and
Speaker 1: just like, oh my god, you turned into a hot dude. Like, congratulations,
Speaker 1: I'm so proud of you. I think if there's if
Speaker 1: the friendship is real first, like if Brooken Felix had
Speaker 1: been actually friends first and built off of that and
Speaker 1: then like kissed each other. Sometimes fine, But to meet
Speaker 1: a brand new person and be like we're gonna be
Speaker 1: friends and we're gonna kiss and it's never gonna go
Speaker 1: further than that, that's bullshit. You have that the friendship
Speaker 1: has to be real first. But this is exactly what
Speaker 1: we were talking about a couple of episodes ago. It's
Speaker 1: like sometimes, like you said, you might have grown up
Speaker 1: with someone Hillary and then at seven and you're like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, my friend from childhood turned into this
Speaker 1: hot guy. Like you know, you might you might in
Speaker 1: a stage of your development say and I know I
Speaker 1: said this in the last episode, but I'll repeat it.
Speaker 1: You might go, well, I know I love you, am
Speaker 1: I maybe a little in love with you? And you
Speaker 1: could give it a try, and then you're either going
Speaker 1: to be together or you're gonna go, no, we're actually
Speaker 1: just friends. This was cute. You're you're super attractive, Like,
Speaker 1: let's go back to being buddies and go get a
Speaker 1: beer like that. If you are honest, Yes, I do
Speaker 1: get that, but I guess what I couldn't imagine is
Speaker 1: being in a situation like that that just goes on
Speaker 1: and on and on and on and on, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: somebody falls in love. At some point, it starts to
Speaker 1: make you acutely aware of the fact that the other
Speaker 1: person is really only interested in you for one thing
Speaker 1: or even two things friendship and sex, but they don't
Speaker 1: want the actual intimacy of relationship, and you start to
Speaker 1: feel like like what what? What's is there something wrong
Speaker 1: with me? What's the one thing that holding you back?
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly, because everybody does want to be seen and
Speaker 1: loved for who they are, in all the good and
Speaker 1: all the bad. I mean, that's not fundamentally what we're
Speaker 1: all looking for. So if you've got somebody the who
Speaker 1: will take you for all the good, but when the
Speaker 1: bad stuff shows up there, like listen, I really only
Speaker 1: wanted this for for convenience and comfort, then eventually you're
Speaker 1: just going to start fe know. I always loved the
Speaker 1: exact opposite, especially when we were in our early twenties,
Speaker 1: like the dudes that were there for all the and
Speaker 1: really loved when you were messy and they'd be like baby,
Speaker 1: I'll kiss you. Um like when then, but then when
Speaker 1: you were up, they just disappeared or went on tour
Speaker 1: or like because they're intimidated. They were like, oh, I
Speaker 1: know how to fix this wounded bird. But when she's succeeding,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about fixing. It's lucas in this episode, like
Speaker 1: wandering around looking for problems to solve. I mean, you
Speaker 1: nailed it. Hillary, God, I was so proud of Peyton
Speaker 1: in that moment, being like, no, you're not my friend.
Speaker 1: You don't just get to walk in here. She you
Speaker 1: really stood up and and Hillary, God, you played the
Speaker 1: scene so beautifully because you want a friend and you're
Speaker 1: about to open up. And then when he sees the
Speaker 1: drawing of Jake and asks you the question your anger
Speaker 1: at you're guessing because of my art you don't actually
Speaker 1: know anything about what's going on in my life. Oh
Speaker 1: it was such a good moment. Yeah, And like Peyton
Speaker 1: didn't know that he had walked to school with Brooke
Speaker 1: that morning or brought her home the night before, but
Speaker 1: she knows there's enough damage there, like you know what,
Speaker 1: this is not real, this is phony. Like, yeah, everyone
Speaker 1: else on the quad saw me crying, why are you here? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we talk about the epic moment. I will never recover
Speaker 1: from how much I love this storyline for you and
Speaker 1: Danielle Alonso because she's great. But the poem that you
Speaker 1: read to her, the thing on you know, the little,
Speaker 1: the Little the mini record, Well, it's it's song lyrics
Speaker 1: that are based on UM, this poem that kind of
Speaker 1: was popularized in the nineteen fifties UM, and it's actually
Speaker 1: at the Holocaust Museum because the original words or first
Speaker 1: they came for the socialists and I did not speak
Speaker 1: out because I was not a socialist. Then they came
Speaker 1: for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out
Speaker 1: because I was not a trade unionist. And then they
Speaker 1: came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out because
Speaker 1: I was not a Jew. And then they came for
Speaker 1: me and there was no one left to speak for me.
Speaker 1: And so those lyrics being popularized and put into music
Speaker 1: geared towards a younger generation where we could see ourselves
Speaker 1: in like the junkies and the prostitutes and the people
Speaker 1: who have been marginalized, and it's like, maybe you have
Speaker 1: to speak up. I think our our creators knew that
Speaker 1: that was subject matter that was very important to me.
Speaker 1: Um is in the early two thousands, we didn't talk
Speaker 1: about bisexuality. We didn't talk about sexuality ever, because the
Speaker 1: assumption was if you're a girl, you're a straight girl
Speaker 1: and you like boys and that's it. And I had
Speaker 1: done an interview with Angelina Jolie on TRL Like season
Speaker 1: one because I've flown back from while we were filming
Speaker 1: to go back and do it, and I asked her
Speaker 1: about this movie fox Fire that she did where she
Speaker 1: played either a bisexual or a lesbian teenager, and I
Speaker 1: told her it meant a lot to me. And I
Speaker 1: remember like people around me being like, are you outing yourself?
Speaker 1: Like what are you doing really? Because I talked about
Speaker 1: kissing girls in high school. It wasn't oh yeah, and
Speaker 1: everybody was so everything had to be labeled and in
Speaker 1: a box. So it was like, if you're talking about that,
Speaker 1: then you must be making a statement. And I was
Speaker 1: putting my career in jeopardy by even hinting at it.
Speaker 1: And so our our bosses really did take a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff from our real life and apply them to
Speaker 1: the show because I think they thought it would help
Speaker 1: us tap into it, but I was Peyton in high school.
Speaker 1: You know when Boys Don't Cry came out. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I've been waiting for that movie for like a year,
Speaker 1: and I loved that movie. I just I loved the
Speaker 1: moment because it was something you know, as you share
Speaker 1: your experience, standing up for our community was really important
Speaker 1: to us, you know, as artists, as as people who
Speaker 1: the arts have often been a safe haven for queer
Speaker 1: people and in a place where we build real community
Speaker 1: of solidarity. And I remember when we got this script.
Speaker 1: I remember the punk rock poem version of the first
Speaker 1: poem that is as you said famously at the Holocaust Museum,
Speaker 1: And I remember, God, even now, just talking about it,
Speaker 1: I have chills, and I have chills when I watched
Speaker 1: you read it in the episode. Um when you when
Speaker 1: you made her read it it, it did feel like
Speaker 1: someone was not just giving us a history lesson, but
Speaker 1: telling us how history was ours, telling us how we
Speaker 1: could change it by by giving us the punk rock anthem.
Speaker 1: In the early aughts, it was like, you, guys, it's
Speaker 1: your fight now. It was our fight in this generation,
Speaker 1: and now this version this is this is your generation's fight.
Speaker 1: And I just, uh like it makes me want to
Speaker 1: cry like that you in this episode were able to
Speaker 1: speak for so many people and say I'm not going
Speaker 1: to be quiet. I'm not going to roll over and
Speaker 1: let someone be harmed, you know, whether it is you,
Speaker 1: or it is a friend, or it is a classmate.
Speaker 1: And it was such an important lesson and enjoy you
Speaker 1: said it while we watched it. Watching Peyton use her
Speaker 1: art as protest was king sick. It was so sad.
Speaker 1: That's what inspired me. And I was like, yes, this
Speaker 1: is what art is for inspiring. Whether it's encouraging you,
Speaker 1: whether it's healing you, or whether it's motivating you, it
Speaker 1: is meant to inspire. And um, I loved seeing that
Speaker 1: that that defiance, the against the structure and the rules
Speaker 1: and against principal Turner against principles. I love that. I
Speaker 1: love that guy. But it's such a It's like I
Speaker 1: I would love to have. I mean, how cool would
Speaker 1: it be to see a teacher who understands that because
Speaker 1: you're in a school, because school, school supposed to be
Speaker 1: a real education. This is not just about learning what
Speaker 1: two plus two is and what year the Declaration of
Speaker 1: Independence was signed, Like we're supposed to be learning how
Speaker 1: to think for ourselves, not what to think. So I
Speaker 1: love that Peyton set such a great example for that
Speaker 1: and went when you walked in. When I saw you
Speaker 1: with your spray paint can, I was like, I know
Speaker 1: what she's doing and walk in the hallway with that
Speaker 1: shirt on, and I was like, this is what if
Speaker 1: I was a mom, If I was a mom, if
Speaker 1: I was a mom of a teenager, but this, if
Speaker 1: Maria was in this situation, this is what I would
Speaker 1: want her to do as a mom. To see a
Speaker 1: young girl taking charge of somebody trying to bully oppress her.
Speaker 1: You know, whether it was true or not, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: It was not. It was not the point at all.
Speaker 1: It was a harmful slur. It was intended to be
Speaker 1: bullying and maligning, and she just took the power right
Speaker 1: back and stood up for herself and stood up for
Speaker 1: a bunch of other people. And I just was And
Speaker 1: then at the end when he was like lose the
Speaker 1: shirt or get suspended, She's like, yep, well here's been
Speaker 1: watched me. Let me tell you how much I would
Speaker 1: have supported my daughter in that one hundred thousand percent.
Speaker 1: I've been like, yeah, maybe come on home. No, problem,
Speaker 1: but bring it. It was a trigger. You know, those
Speaker 1: rumors existed about me growing up. My best friend and I.
Speaker 1: Everyone had a different story and we were voting best
Speaker 1: friends senior year in superlatives and we held up signs
Speaker 1: that said not lovers with arrows pointing to each other
Speaker 1: and like the end of the year, and you know,
Speaker 1: it was like a thing that I had to be
Speaker 1: able to navigate and laugh off. And so I took
Speaker 1: this episode very very seriously. I was very serious and
Speaker 1: really scared about this episode because I didn't know if
Speaker 1: I was being called out or if there was a
Speaker 1: kid at home who was going to hear Peyton say
Speaker 1: I'm not gay and get their feelings hurt that she
Speaker 1: was denying it like there was. It just felt like
Speaker 1: so much responsibility and I really really didn't want to
Speaker 1: screw it up. And even like a month ago, I
Speaker 1: got an d M from a guy who was like,
Speaker 1: I came out because of this storyline, Like you guys
Speaker 1: gave me the tools to be able to handle coming
Speaker 1: out in a small town and those those kinds of
Speaker 1: things mean a lot to me. Um. I was really
Speaker 1: mad that Peyton was taking her shirt off, like when
Speaker 1: we talk about that. What was frustrating for you about that?
Speaker 1: So look, we fought the whole first season to not
Speaker 1: take our clothes off hooking up with dudes, and our
Speaker 1: bosses understood that if it was tied to something I
Speaker 1: was passionate about politically, you know, like socially, chances are
Speaker 1: I would probably do it. And so you know, it's
Speaker 1: not like Peyton had it on a jacket that she
Speaker 1: could take off. It's not like Peyton had it on
Speaker 1: her backpack or like something. But she wouldn't have gotten
Speaker 1: suspended for taking the jacket off. I mean, it had
Speaker 1: to be a statement. Taking the shirt off also felt
Speaker 1: like they were building towards a moment of a little
Speaker 1: bit of a rotism eroticism where it was like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're going to see Peyton and her bra, Like Hillary's
Speaker 1: never done anything in her bra before. This will be
Speaker 1: the thing that gets her inner bra. And so I
Speaker 1: went into the fitting with my this is how like
Speaker 1: much of a horder I am. I had my real
Speaker 1: like thin triangle top braw from tenth grade, like that
Speaker 1: was like my training bra, and it's not sexy, it's
Speaker 1: not padded, it's not a push up raw. It was ratty.
Speaker 1: It was like, you know when like fabric gets all
Speaker 1: pilled and stuff. It was a gross ratty brawl. Nothing
Speaker 1: sexy about it. Oh that's nice, but it was just
Speaker 1: like a Walmart brawl from Sterling, Virginia that I'd had
Speaker 1: in the back of my drawer forever. And I also
Speaker 1: didn't want to look like, you know a lot of
Speaker 1: times when we have to get naked and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do sit ups or I'm you know, like
Speaker 1: I'm gonna like prep for it. I also didn't want
Speaker 1: girls to see a body that was prepped for it,
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. And so I went out the
Speaker 1: night before with my boyfriend out back steakhouse and got
Speaker 1: a bloomin onion and got like a bit you know,
Speaker 1: like I just really I didn't want to feed into
Speaker 1: any of the I'm in a brawl of it all
Speaker 1: because that wasn't the point. I needed it to be unsexy.
Speaker 1: I needed it to be sad and vulnerable and you know,
Speaker 1: I'm lauchin as I walk away like it's just love you.
Speaker 1: Hillary of it was really important and I didn't ever
Speaker 1: want anyone to make it perverted because it Yeah, I
Speaker 1: took it so seriously, if it had felt sexy, like
Speaker 1: if she'd been in an outfit, it wouldn't have had
Speaker 1: the same impact. It felt exactly that unprepared for surprising
Speaker 1: it was. It was a split second decision made in
Speaker 1: a moment. It's like, you know, as adult swee joke, like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's laundry day, I'm wearing my ugliest day, Like you
Speaker 1: want that kind of rawness, not like some chic Lacey brawle.
Speaker 1: That was not the point. And you nailed all the
Speaker 1: stuff that we've been shopping for in the Lauderie store
Speaker 1: for the first two seasons were minutes. You nailed it
Speaker 1: because the simpleness of it allowed for the protests to
Speaker 1: be centered. Yeah, it wasn't a out your body. It
Speaker 1: wasn't about sexualizing you, And I don't think it came
Speaker 1: off that way. I mean, I don't know how you
Speaker 1: still feel looking back and watching it, if you still
Speaker 1: feel like it was a group of writers trying to
Speaker 1: make you be naked. Um, because may have it may
Speaker 1: have even been intended to be, but I didn't. To
Speaker 1: me as as a viewer, it did not come across
Speaker 1: that way. How do you feel about it? I see
Speaker 1: what it means to other people, and there's value in that.
Speaker 1: For me. I get like, m yeah, I just didn't
Speaker 1: want to get up. Yeah, you did it. You did
Speaker 1: it so beautiful. It's fun now. Like I was, it
Speaker 1: was kind of jarring. The last convention we went, two
Speaker 1: kids showed up with spray painted shirts that said dig
Speaker 1: on it and like, we know, that's like a bad word. Guys,
Speaker 1: you can't like, we don't say that, um and and so.
Speaker 1: I but but they were taking ownership of it, which
Speaker 1: I loved. Oh, I've loved it for them. Um, but
Speaker 1: I can't walk around with that shirt all. It's one
Speaker 1: of those things. The best case scenario, the bra situation
Speaker 1: was the best case scenario. I think. Just that's that's
Speaker 1: what I read a lot of scripts. I'm sure we
Speaker 1: all have read scripts where you're just like, of course,
Speaker 1: and now the girl gets naked, or like of course,
Speaker 1: and now you're she's in her bra and why she
Speaker 1: and her brau in this scene? There's no reason for that,
Speaker 1: but there are I mean, are we are artists? So
Speaker 1: are you wholly an artist or not? And for me,
Speaker 1: as an artist, my entire body is uh to be
Speaker 1: used for art in the correct context. So um, and
Speaker 1: that's fine. Look, some people I want to only be
Speaker 1: you know, want to reserve their bodies for just their
Speaker 1: private life and and they only you know, use a
Speaker 1: particular portion of them for for art. And that's totally fine.
Speaker 1: Not everybody's supposed to do the same thing. But as
Speaker 1: someone who feels like totally embodied as an artist, I
Speaker 1: totally relate to that as just you're your body is
Speaker 1: your body, it's part of your artistic expression. And it
Speaker 1: didn't come across to me as sexualized at all. It
Speaker 1: felt like it was a very specific choice. Um, it
Speaker 1: was a shocking choice, but not um titillating or well,
Speaker 1: there was that fitting. The fight was always in the fitting,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Had we been on a
Speaker 1: different show that had this scene, it would have been
Speaker 1: art and it would have been safe. But because we
Speaker 1: had already been fighting for like a year and a
Speaker 1: half for these things, it was just like this just
Speaker 1: a different for the same result. Because it's it's it's
Speaker 1: pushing on the bruise next to the cut, so you're
Speaker 1: kind of like, what is this? What is this? Even
Speaker 1: if it isn't meant to be that? When when you've
Speaker 1: when you've experienced the same thing with the people who
Speaker 1: treating you're their property. It gets triggering. But probably because
Speaker 1: of all those fights and all the all the fights
Speaker 1: you won and the times when you didn't end up
Speaker 1: that that's why this paid off so much, Because it
Speaker 1: wasn't just like, oh, paints in her bra again. It's
Speaker 1: all those fights were leading up to this moment. You know, Hey,
Speaker 1: thanks dan Yella. Daniella really sold this because in a
Speaker 1: different actress's hands, this girl that's kind of flip flopping
Speaker 1: between Lucas and maybe Peyton or like, you know, like
Speaker 1: all this kind of like weirdness and ambiguity would have
Speaker 1: been messy. But because she is so slow and methodical
Speaker 1: about the way she gives out information, and she's so
Speaker 1: kind of um vulnerable, you feel for this little animal.
Speaker 1: You're like, oh my god, Like, honey, what what happened
Speaker 1: to you that you can't that you're that you feel
Speaker 1: like you have to pretend um? And I love that
Speaker 1: Lucas is like giving her this speech where he's like
Speaker 1: he's like, hey man, this isn't gonna work out, and
Speaker 1: she's like, okay, He's like, I have feelings for someone,
Speaker 1: and she's like me too. Yeah. Wait, so so then
Speaker 1: how does all this how do you feel for you?
Speaker 1: Because I know I mentioned it earlier, but it's such
Speaker 1: a beautiful performance. How did it all kind of compound
Speaker 1: to get to Peyton's last scene with with brook like
Speaker 1: to get into that room and to come and ask
Speaker 1: for help. But that and I'll say she doesn't want
Speaker 1: to ask for help. That was but that. Those are
Speaker 1: words that I wish I could use as a grown up.
Speaker 1: I think when you are a person who the world
Speaker 1: has expectations for you, like, oh, you handle stress so well,
Speaker 1: having to admit at any point like oh hey, like no,
Speaker 1: I don't, um, it's hard. And so Brooks probably been
Speaker 1: applauded by her parents like oh, you're so responsible and
Speaker 1: mature and you can live by yourself. And Haley has
Speaker 1: been told by her parents like, honey, you can go
Speaker 1: get married. You've always been a good decision. And Peyton
Speaker 1: has been told by her dad like, no, you're good,
Speaker 1: you can handle this. It's not hard to ask for
Speaker 1: help if you're a person who's always had a support network.
Speaker 1: It's hard to ask for help when you're on a
Speaker 1: pedestal and everyone expects you to continue to function at
Speaker 1: a high level. Um. She calls her dad, which is
Speaker 1: a big deal, and he doesn't pick up, and so
Speaker 1: she's reaching out for help in these places where every
Speaker 1: kid should be able to find it. Um. But for me,
Speaker 1: like the Brook and Peyton of it all, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just think, Um, I loved that scene so much
Speaker 1: because I think we were probably experiencing that in real life,
Speaker 1: like not having having a place to put things down,
Speaker 1: because especially at that age, who could we talked to
Speaker 1: Our friends from home were still in college. They didn't
Speaker 1: know what our world looked, you know, like they couldn't
Speaker 1: understand what it's like to have a mortgage or to
Speaker 1: deal with like commissions with your manager and having to
Speaker 1: answer phone calls and tone meetings, and like there wasn't
Speaker 1: a language that you could share with your regular support network.
Speaker 1: So we were living that in real life while our
Speaker 1: characters were also living that. Just like where do I
Speaker 1: put this down? Yeah? Yeah, I love how tender you
Speaker 1: were in your little twin bed, just like honey, come here,
Speaker 1: say it would have been such a fun night of
Speaker 1: Felix wasn't there. It would have been so great feeling.
Speaker 1: And you see, I just I don't know the parallel
Speaker 1: of those two Peyton feeling so alone and Brookes saying
Speaker 1: you always have me, and even on the quad saying this,
Speaker 1: all those girls are jealous. You look better than them.
Speaker 1: Like she's just coming out with she's the perfect best
Speaker 1: friend for this. She's such a mama bear with her
Speaker 1: best friend and that. But in the end scene you
Speaker 1: realize that to Brook, nobody else exists in that moment.
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm here, We're doing it. Everything's gonna be okay.
Speaker 1: And then this guy walks out and she she to
Speaker 1: confront her own way of trying to feel better because
Speaker 1: she has nobody in her arm who's supporting her either.
Speaker 1: And she's not going to pile it on Peyton right
Speaker 1: now because Peyton struggling and you just really responsibility. They
Speaker 1: just have no idea what to do with their pain.
Speaker 1: We need a safe word. It's like the gift of
Speaker 1: the Magi, you know, where each person is giving up
Speaker 1: the thing that is important to them to be there
Speaker 1: for the other person. Yeah, it's so easy for Brooke
Speaker 1: to be there for Peyton and for Payton to be
Speaker 1: there for Anna. Like sometimes when you're in the depths
Speaker 1: of your own it makes it really easy for you
Speaker 1: to kind of pivot and focus on someone else's problem.
Speaker 1: It's helpful. Actually yeah, well until you're like, oh, but
Speaker 1: now I'm just like faking it with my friend. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: because I've been pushing my own thing away for so long.
Speaker 1: So we need like a friend safe word where if
Speaker 1: like we all say the same word, we know that
Speaker 1: we're all in the cauldron and we're all bubbling. Like
Speaker 1: everyone should have a friend safe word so that you
Speaker 1: don't even necessarily have to just gossip, but you know,
Speaker 1: like I've got a thing, You've got a thing. Cool,
Speaker 1: let's just like drink smoothies. Well, speaking of Mama Bear
Speaker 1: energy a little bit here, let's pivot to Karen, who
Speaker 1: I was just saying this was like the ultimate Irish
Speaker 1: family background of Moira coming out. Just loved it so
Speaker 1: much because we've never seen Karen angry before. Well maybe
Speaker 1: at Dan once, but yeah, she tore it up and
Speaker 1: she went after his friends. Oh my gosh, don't mess
Speaker 1: with Karen, y'all. When the when the boys on the
Speaker 1: river cord are like, nah, we talked to your mom
Speaker 1: like scared. That was the best, but her yelling at
Speaker 1: him and and just reminding him that he is her
Speaker 1: child and he lives under her roof, and he is
Speaker 1: a teenager and she will make him get it. I
Speaker 1: was like, she just keeps punching. It was phenomenal, so good. Well,
Speaker 1: enjoy to your point, like the payoff. She's always been sweet,
Speaker 1: she's always been gentle, she's always been understanding, and so
Speaker 1: for a year and a half for that to be
Speaker 1: her tone and then all of a sudden, like the hell,
Speaker 1: hath no fury? Like a mother lied to? That's it,
Speaker 1: a mother who has led to because and her son's
Speaker 1: life is at risk. There's no messing for basketball basket. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so insane. No not okay, um the last little
Speaker 1: thing on the docket here is um my sweater and
Speaker 1: I'm kidding the last thing. Maybe this is an episode
Speaker 1: about us all kind of coming into our power in
Speaker 1: different ways, because you you know, we meet Haley wearing
Speaker 1: all sorts of dorky, and then as Haley is coming
Speaker 1: into her music, coming into her personhood and like making
Speaker 1: these like big decisions for herself, you also are coming
Speaker 1: in with like this is how I want to look,
Speaker 1: This is how I want to resent my character. You
Speaker 1: bought that sweater. Yeah, I found that sweater. I bought it,
Speaker 1: bred it in. It's so cute. I love it. I
Speaker 1: have I have visceral memories, like I can feel it
Speaker 1: and smell it. I loved that sweater. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I think it was like Jake Rue or something. I
Speaker 1: mean it's probably, yeah, it was probably I was going
Speaker 1: to wasn't extraordinary. We had a few great shops, but um, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I agree, And Haley really was trying to figure
Speaker 1: out how to come into her own in this episode.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's so it was so interesting to watch
Speaker 1: a young couple fight, um, knowing that there is a solution,
Speaker 1: but these are that's a big bite to take out
Speaker 1: of out of life. Um, I married you, I want
Speaker 1: to be with you forever. I want us to do
Speaker 1: everything in partnership, and yet I have this is part
Speaker 1: of me, Like I can't say no to this massive
Speaker 1: part of me just because you're uncomfortable. And yet I
Speaker 1: want to honor your feelings. I want to respect where
Speaker 1: you're at. I want to make space for you and
Speaker 1: your own insecurities because you're human too, and that's a
Speaker 1: big thing. How do you deal with that as a couple.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know grown up couples that struggle with
Speaker 1: that big time, totally, big time. So learned that as
Speaker 1: a teen that's not easy, really hard. And something I
Speaker 1: love about watching the dynamic between the two of you.
Speaker 1: You as Haley, You're trying to take ownership of your
Speaker 1: dreams and desires and say, it's not about that, this
Speaker 1: is about my music. And then you see James, you
Speaker 1: see on his face, Nathan seeing through Chris's bullsh and
Speaker 1: knowing he's right. Even if Haley doesn't know, Nathan knows,
Speaker 1: and so interestingly they're both right. And that's hard, so
Speaker 1: good the rub. Yeah, she doesn't understand, and but even
Speaker 1: but here's the weird part is that even when she
Speaker 1: does finally understand Nathan was right, Chris is after me.
Speaker 1: But there's still an opportunity for me. Here Am I
Speaker 1: willing too to get on the bus and still pursue
Speaker 1: the opportunity that came through this person that had um
Speaker 1: an alternative agenda? Oh? Is it? And she attracted to him?
Speaker 1: That's it? Is it an alternative agenda? Or is it both?
Speaker 1: Can he both Can Chris Keller both like her music
Speaker 1: and her talent and want to cultivate that and be
Speaker 1: a part of it and be attracted to her, or
Speaker 1: do you really think it's just like a bait and switch.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a bait and switch. I think
Speaker 1: he I think it is both back the hard Part's
Speaker 1: that's the hard part. And I bet for her it's
Speaker 1: easier to see both because she says, Okay, it really
Speaker 1: sucks that he lied. He is hitting on me. Gross,
Speaker 1: But I love Nathan. I'm controlling with Nathan. I can
Speaker 1: do both. And you know is she throwing herself into
Speaker 1: the lions down a little bit. It's a really juicy
Speaker 1: place to be. Oh my gosh, guys, we are so
Speaker 1: deep on this episode. This was a big one. I
Speaker 1: love this episode. It's this honestly might be my favorite
Speaker 1: episode so far. Really, I agree. And we haven't even
Speaker 1: gotten to what might be the most explosive thing that
Speaker 1: happened this week, which is Chris Keller kissing Haley. Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, Scream doesn't run away, she doesn't. She stayed
Speaker 1: in the kiss. Oh man, guys, We've got a lot
Speaker 1: to talk about and we're out of time. So Surprise
Speaker 1: Surprise Episode ten is going to be a two parter
Speaker 1: We will see you back here next week and we
Speaker 1: will have He's coming, Tyler. Chris Keller himself is coming
Speaker 1: on the episode. We'll see you back here for part two. Hey,
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