1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. Were all about 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: that high school drama, Girl Drama, Girl, all about them 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 1: high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in 4 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: our comic Girl Cheering for the drama Queens want girl fashion, 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: but you'll tough, girl. You can sit with us. Girl Drama, 6 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: Queens Drama, Queen's Drama, Queen's Drama, John mc Queen's Drama, 7 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: Queen's Hey, everybody, Happy New Year, Hope everybody's doing great. 8 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: Episode ten is don't take me for granted? And which 9 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: is you know, kind of a surprisingly difficult concept to 10 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:39,959 Speaker 1: explain to children. I was saying that the other day 11 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: to Maria, like something about being taken for granted, and 12 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: she was like, what does that mean? Like it's like 13 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 1: when someone doesn't appreciate you, but they It's like, I 14 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 1: don't know, it's kind of hard to explain. I don't 15 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:56,279 Speaker 1: know why I'm talking about this their November because this 16 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: is our therapy. Joy, this is what we do with 17 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: each other. We're gonna work it out. Oh my lord, 18 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: concerns Nathan tells Karen, who lights up on Lucas about 19 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: taking the heart test. Wow, we loved that. Meanwhile, Keith 20 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: accepts Dan's offer to continue working at the dealership as 21 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: vice president, and Peyton must confess must confront rumors at 22 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: school that she is a lesbian, which affects her friendship 23 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: with Anna, while the gap between Nathan and Haley continues 24 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: to grow heavy lots of stuff in this one. Each 25 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: one of us had a really kind of like big episode. Um, 26 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: you know the stuff that Sophia had to do with 27 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: all the Felix stuff, and that I was very uncomfortable 28 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: by the end of the episode because that feeling of 29 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: being a young woman having to say yes to something 30 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: that you don't really want to say yes too because 31 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: you know the other person it really needs to hear it. 32 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: That the feeling of being pleasing, Oh, it was so triggering, 33 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: and you handled it so well and enjoy You had 34 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: your huge episode with Chris, and then my storyline is 35 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: probably one of the biggest in the series for me. 36 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: You know, this is something that we keep coming back 37 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: to when we meet fans, and so this is an 38 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: iconic moment for Peyton. I was, so should we just 39 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 1: start with that? Do you want to start talking about? 40 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: But now let's start with Brooke, because we start with 41 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,519 Speaker 1: the broken windshield in the episode. Yeah, that's right, Okay, okay, 42 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,959 Speaker 1: let's do in proper order. Yes, okay, Well the first 43 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: the first thing I have on my many pages of 44 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: notes is high school fashion. Oh, yes, yes, we need 45 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,959 Speaker 1: to talk. Yes, okay, there's plenty of fashion in here. Um, 46 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: Sophie and I were talking before we started taping. Gusts 47 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: just started back at school, right because he's now vaccinated 48 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 1: and he's back at school, and his middle school is 49 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: attached to the high school. And so for the last 50 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:47,239 Speaker 1: week I've been doing pickup and oh my god, these 51 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: children were sweatpants every day, sweatshirts, sweatpants every days with 52 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: their cool school outfits. And we're pissed guys because we 53 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,519 Speaker 1: had to wear tight pants and low rise jeans and 54 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: culture tops girl, you know, and high heels plaid Abercrombie 55 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: skirts I wore. I mean, oh yeah, you had to 56 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: get ready, you had to get right now. It's like, 57 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: just throw your hair in a low tight bun and 58 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: throw some hoop earrings on and go to school like 59 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: nobody's you know. I love it now. I don't want 60 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: anyone to feel objectified. But here's here's my take on it. 61 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,399 Speaker 1: You get this one little teeny tiny chunk of time 62 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,239 Speaker 1: in your youth to experiment. And so you need to 63 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 1: have a goth year, you need to have a hip 64 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: hop year, you need to have a tomboy year, like 65 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,399 Speaker 1: you need to go through the face Lamb year. Yeah, 66 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: you just have to try things out. And um and frankly, 67 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: all the mothers in the pickup line are really counting 68 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: on you to like dress up and not wear I'm 69 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: just it's been totally stressing me out. So for anybody 70 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: out there listening, like, get up at six thirty and 71 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: put your clothes on. Yeah, we like that, just like 72 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: because didn't always did it when she when I came 73 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: out in the morning and saw that saw that broken windshield. 74 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: It also, you know, I get the ideas of brick 75 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: got thrown through it, but it looks like somebody took 76 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: a golf club to that thing multiple times. It was 77 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: an aggressive break. I was racked, it was recked. Yeah, 78 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: there's a lot for brook in this episode, and um, 79 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: a big reveal that that mouth was the one at 80 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: the end who actually broke through winshield Um. That didn't 81 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: totally track for me. I feel like he maybe would 82 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: have broken Felix's car windshield. It felt like a little 83 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: misplaced that it was Brooks. Um, I don't know, what 84 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 1: did you guys think about that? You know what I 85 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: liked about it. I liked how vulnerable he got with 86 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: Lucas walking by the river court because he says it 87 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: was just another party where I was the only one 88 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 1: who ended up without someone. And and what I I 89 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: guess the reason I'm glad it was Brooks Winshield and 90 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: not Felix's is it was an honest kind of poking 91 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 1: against the way that a lot of of men blame 92 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 1: women for not being attracted to them. Yeah, and and 93 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 1: we saw Mouth own it, feel bad about it, admit 94 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: to doing this really inappropriate thing because none of this 95 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: is Brooks fault in the first place, and try to 96 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: make it right. And that I thought was really healthy 97 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: modeling for kids. I appreciate that also. And Brooke doesn't 98 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 1: want to be with Felix either, Mouth like, man, you 99 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 1: guys should just talk about this. Yeah. Yeah, And when 100 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: Lucas tells him that, and he's like, but I didn't know. 101 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: You see just that this boy doesn't know where to 102 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: put his feelings, so he literally throws them towards the 103 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: person who's hurting his feeling? Girl, did you just make 104 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 1: that a metaphor? Did I? I went to callege? But 105 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: then Brooke follows it up with this like lovely interaction 106 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: with Lucas, which we should definitely dig into, because, yeah, 107 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: I guess for me, hiding my real feelings has been 108 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 1: in a journey, you know, since I was in middle 109 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: school and not wanting to admit to things, and to 110 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: watch you navigate that in a really kind of lovely way. 111 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: You're trying so hard to be fun and like not 112 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: admit that there's still an attraction, but it feels really 113 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 1: good to be around this person. Yeah, and it ties 114 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: really well in the episode. The writers did a good 115 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: job because in the sort of this episode has a 116 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: great opening sequence. The teaser is really good with the 117 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: with the car, with what everybody's doing with with then 118 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: you know Nathan waking up on Lucas's floor, Hayes panic, 119 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 1: doesn't know where he is. Turns out Lucas has been 120 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: hiding Nate for the night, and then Brooke comes in 121 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: being like, oh, you're related double double A O F twos. 122 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: Here you know, they're teasing each other and that's her default, 123 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: is the joke, and then she kind of drops it 124 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 1: and has to say, you know, I just thought maybe 125 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: we could walk to school together, and and they start 126 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 1: reconnect thing and she tells him that she misses talking 127 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: to him, and and it is it's really tender, and 128 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: she's trying to hide it, but there's a sweetness to 129 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: that that that was nice to play. I've always found 130 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: that to be the hardest part of any breakup is 131 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: the friendship that you build um in it, in the 132 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: intimacy of being in a relationship with someone that whenever 133 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: the relationship ends, it's like, romantically we just aren't. This 134 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: does not work. But I always miss the friendship and 135 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: the I mean, if I don't miss the friendship, then 136 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: I definitely know it was the right But there have 137 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: been there have been a couple of breakups in my 138 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: life where I was like, we can't be together, but 139 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: damn I really miss the just the friendship and the talking. 140 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: And I could totally relate to Brooken that, like can 141 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: we still Just I miss just you know, spending time 142 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: with you, and you're a great person and we get 143 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: along and it's nice to have people outside of your 144 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: typical bubble. You know, like if Brooke has been hanging 145 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: out with the same cheerleaders and athletes and like the 146 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: popular kids for the last ten years, you fall into 147 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: a rhythm where it's like, what do we talk about? 148 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: We talk about clothes, We talked about them all, we 149 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: talk about this. And so to have that person that 150 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: comes in from the peripheral that talks to you about 151 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: real stuff or just about your feelings or you can 152 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: just be quiet with Like for all of Lucas's whatever, 153 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: he does strike me as a person that you could 154 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: sit in silence with and just like hold space. And 155 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: and sure, it's a valuable energy where I get it. 156 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: I get why Brooke is like you're different, and I 157 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: just like whatever you've got going on here, Yeah, yeah, 158 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: it's a sweet, kind of tender experience. And and what 159 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: strikes me for all three of us is everyone is 160 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: trying to navigate a new relationship that they don't quite understand. 161 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: Trying to navigate a new relationship ship with Lucas. Haley 162 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: is trying to figure out what this thing is with 163 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: Chris Keller. Is it about music? Is she attracted to 164 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 1: this person? It would make sense if she was, he'd 165 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: be what maybe only the second boy she'd ever experienced 166 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 1: that with, and and Peyton's trying to figure out not 167 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: only this is does she have a real friendship with 168 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: Anna or not, but Peyton's trying to navigate a relationship 169 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: to her own mental health. Big. Oh, it's a big moment. 170 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: I mean that that moment at the end of the 171 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: episode where you come to see me and you, you know, 172 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: you talk about how everything is piling up and you 173 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,199 Speaker 1: don't want to need help but you feel so alone. 174 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: I was like, I was choked up and and wishing 175 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: that I was really happy to see that on screen 176 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: and to think about it in two thousand four and 177 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: just wishing we'd we'd been able to to navigate further 178 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:05,839 Speaker 1: into that. But of course it's a drama, so there 179 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: has to be the device of that's right when the 180 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: boy walks out of the back room, I was like, honestly, 181 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 1: say with us, you stay with the friends. Honestly, Like, 182 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: if if this show was happening today, like Peyton would 183 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 1: go to therapy, Peyton would like, you know, like work 184 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: on things in a manner that we can talk about now. 185 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 1: But in two thousand four, the answer to every problem 186 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: was who you're kissing, you know what I mean, Like 187 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: it's always the solution is always a dude. I don't know. 188 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: I actually don't know that it's that different nowadays, you think. 189 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think there is in maybe 190 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: in more um gentrified or like city environments, there's a 191 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 1: little bit more of an openness to go to therapy 192 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: or to talk about all my therapist this or that. 193 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: But I think the majority, at least of America, you know, 194 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 1: in smaller towns, you know, they still have a way 195 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: of of doing things that were obviously there's something that's 196 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: so lovely and charming and and wholesome about all that. 197 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: But I think there's also still maybe a stigma around 198 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: therapy or you know, struggling with trying to do something 199 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: that maybe seems progressive and then you don't want your 200 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: friends to to make fun of you, or for seeing 201 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: a doctor about your emotions or mental health. Can can 202 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: still be um something that is is looked down on. 203 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: So I I do love I don't know where I'm 204 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: going with this, but I guess I I don't know 205 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: that it's so much different today than it would have 206 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: been back then. Well, you know what's interesting is I 207 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: think you're right in a lot of ways. Joy Like. 208 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: I think that, yes, we're in a in a in 209 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 1: a stage where we might be more open about it, 210 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: but a lot of people are still scared to admit 211 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: that they're struggling. And I think that I think that 212 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: that is okay. I think that it's important even when 213 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 1: we get to talk about this stuff, to say what 214 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: we wish the girls we played, the ways we wish 215 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: they might have been supported. It's it begins to open 216 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: it for all of us. And you know what's what's 217 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: really interesting to me. I got to be part of 218 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: this talk yesterday and um and the guy who came 219 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,199 Speaker 1: from the sort of clinical expert side of mental health 220 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: was saying that so often it's being left alone in 221 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: your pain that causes trauma. You can, you can experience 222 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: a traumatic event, but when you're then left alone, when 223 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: you don't have anyone to tell your story to, when 224 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 1: you don't get those words out of your body, that 225 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: is what sinks the trauma into you. Because your process 226 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: it's ride even a friend. I mean, if you think therapy, 227 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 1: if you look at therapy and it's like, oh it's 228 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:51,559 Speaker 1: booge you to go see a therapy. You go to therapist. 229 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: You know my lucky You like, okay, fine, but I 230 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: find a friend to find someone that you can get 231 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: it out of your body. And that's why I love 232 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: that scene between us so much, because Peyton reached out 233 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: to her safe container, and you see both of these 234 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: girls feeling alone, and because of the TV writer drama 235 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: Felix coming out of the bathroom moment, Peyton leaves. But 236 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: then you see Brooke while Felix is talking to her, 237 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 1: also feeling alone. And these kids are just trying to 238 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: figure out where to either express their pain or how 239 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: to medicate with it. And Brooke medicates with a boy, 240 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:37,199 Speaker 1: and Peyton is about to medicate in a very bad way. 241 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 1: And and then, by the way, who shows up but 242 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 1: a boy, but it's Jake Tilski and we love it. Yeah, 243 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:47,559 Speaker 1: that's a different love. I was thrilled at the moment. 244 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: But wait, wait, we have to go back, We have 245 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: to go back with order. I'm sorry. I'm sorry because 246 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: I'm very excited to talk about this Peyton storyline. But 247 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: I do want to address one thing, which is the 248 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: Felix Friends with benefits blowing up in everyone's face. My 249 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: my topic for um for pondering, which you spend too 250 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: much time on it. But but does friends with benefits 251 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: ever really work? I feel like somebody always loses. And wait, 252 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: have either of you like done Look? Have you done this? 253 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: I'm too emotional. If I'm like with someone, I have 254 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: to be in love. I'm not. I can't, y'all. I'm 255 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: reading my journal from high school because I'm working on 256 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: my next book, and so I just pulled out like 257 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: all my journals. No, I had a great time. Like 258 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: it was awesome because because if you are up front 259 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: in the beginning right, and you maintain that boundary like you, 260 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: you absolutely like keep you can't ignore it, you can't 261 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: say it once and then, but you're not combative about 262 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: it like Brooke is. Brooke is like, don't even look 263 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 1: at me in the face, don't touch me, Like you 264 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: just sit there and talks like Julia robertson Pretty Woman. Kiss. No. 265 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: I mean there were kids that I had grown up 266 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: with since kindergarten who we kissed like senior year in 267 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: high school, and it was like we all knew we 268 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: were going other places, but it was so fun and 269 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: just like, oh my god, you turned into a hot dude. Like, congratulations, 270 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: I'm so proud of you. I think if there's if 271 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: the friendship is real first, like if Brooken Felix had 272 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: been actually friends first and built off of that and 273 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: then like kissed each other. Sometimes fine, But to meet 274 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: a brand new person and be like we're gonna be 275 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: friends and we're gonna kiss and it's never gonna go 276 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: further than that, that's bullshit. You have that the friendship 277 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: has to be real first. But this is exactly what 278 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: we were talking about a couple of episodes ago. It's 279 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: like sometimes, like you said, you might have grown up 280 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: with someone Hillary and then at seven and you're like, 281 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: oh my god, my friend from childhood turned into this 282 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: hot guy. Like you know, you might you might in 283 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: a stage of your development say and I know I 284 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: said this in the last episode, but I'll repeat it. 285 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: You might go, well, I know I love you, am 286 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: I maybe a little in love with you? And you 287 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: could give it a try, and then you're either going 288 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: to be together or you're gonna go, no, we're actually 289 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: just friends. This was cute. You're you're super attractive, Like, 290 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: let's go back to being buddies and go get a 291 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: beer like that. If you are honest, Yes, I do 292 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: get that, but I guess what I couldn't imagine is 293 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: being in a situation like that that just goes on 294 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: and on and on and on and on, like, yeah, 295 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: somebody falls in love. At some point, it starts to 296 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: make you acutely aware of the fact that the other 297 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: person is really only interested in you for one thing 298 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: or even two things friendship and sex, but they don't 299 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: want the actual intimacy of relationship, and you start to 300 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: feel like like what what? What's is there something wrong 301 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: with me? What's the one thing that holding you back? 302 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: Exactly exactly, because everybody does want to be seen and 303 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: loved for who they are, in all the good and 304 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: all the bad. I mean, that's not fundamentally what we're 305 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: all looking for. So if you've got somebody the who 306 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: will take you for all the good, but when the 307 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: bad stuff shows up there, like listen, I really only 308 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: wanted this for for convenience and comfort, then eventually you're 309 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:25,239 Speaker 1: just going to start fe know. I always loved the 310 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: exact opposite, especially when we were in our early twenties, 311 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 1: like the dudes that were there for all the and 312 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: really loved when you were messy and they'd be like baby, 313 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 1: I'll kiss you. Um like when then, but then when 314 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: you were up, they just disappeared or went on tour 315 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: or like because they're intimidated. They were like, oh, I 316 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: know how to fix this wounded bird. But when she's succeeding, 317 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 1: we'll talk about fixing. It's lucas in this episode, like 318 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: wandering around looking for problems to solve. I mean, you 319 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,199 Speaker 1: nailed it. Hillary, God, I was so proud of Peyton 320 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 1: in that moment, being like, no, you're not my friend. 321 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: You don't just get to walk in here. She you 322 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: really stood up and and Hillary, God, you played the 323 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 1: scene so beautifully because you want a friend and you're 324 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 1: about to open up. And then when he sees the 325 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 1: drawing of Jake and asks you the question your anger 326 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: at you're guessing because of my art you don't actually 327 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: know anything about what's going on in my life. Oh 328 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: it was such a good moment. Yeah, And like Peyton 329 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: didn't know that he had walked to school with Brooke 330 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: that morning or brought her home the night before, but 331 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: she knows there's enough damage there, like you know what, 332 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: this is not real, this is phony. Like, yeah, everyone 333 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: else on the quad saw me crying, why are you here? Yeah? Yeah, 334 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: we talk about the epic moment. I will never recover 335 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: from how much I love this storyline for you and 336 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 1: Danielle Alonso because she's great. But the poem that you 337 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: read to her, the thing on you know, the little, 338 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: the Little the mini record, Well, it's it's song lyrics 339 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 1: that are based on UM, this poem that kind of 340 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: was popularized in the nineteen fifties UM, and it's actually 341 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: at the Holocaust Museum because the original words or first 342 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: they came for the socialists and I did not speak 343 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:24,640 Speaker 1: out because I was not a socialist. Then they came 344 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 1: for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out 345 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: because I was not a trade unionist. And then they 346 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out because 347 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: I was not a Jew. And then they came for 348 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 1: me and there was no one left to speak for me. 349 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 1: And so those lyrics being popularized and put into music 350 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: geared towards a younger generation where we could see ourselves 351 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: in like the junkies and the prostitutes and the people 352 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:50,959 Speaker 1: who have been marginalized, and it's like, maybe you have 353 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: to speak up. I think our our creators knew that 354 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: that was subject matter that was very important to me. 355 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: Um is in the early two thousands, we didn't talk 356 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: about bisexuality. We didn't talk about sexuality ever, because the 357 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 1: assumption was if you're a girl, you're a straight girl 358 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: and you like boys and that's it. And I had 359 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: done an interview with Angelina Jolie on TRL Like season 360 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 1: one because I've flown back from while we were filming 361 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: to go back and do it, and I asked her 362 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 1: about this movie fox Fire that she did where she 363 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: played either a bisexual or a lesbian teenager, and I 364 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: told her it meant a lot to me. And I 365 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: remember like people around me being like, are you outing yourself? 366 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: Like what are you doing really? Because I talked about 367 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: kissing girls in high school. It wasn't oh yeah, and 368 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: everybody was so everything had to be labeled and in 369 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: a box. So it was like, if you're talking about that, 370 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 1: then you must be making a statement. And I was 371 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: putting my career in jeopardy by even hinting at it. 372 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:54,439 Speaker 1: And so our our bosses really did take a lot 373 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: of stuff from our real life and apply them to 374 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: the show because I think they thought it would help 375 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: us tap into it, but I was Peyton in high school. 376 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 1: You know when Boys Don't Cry came out. Oh my god, 377 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: I've been waiting for that movie for like a year, 378 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 1: and I loved that movie. I just I loved the 379 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: moment because it was something you know, as you share 380 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: your experience, standing up for our community was really important 381 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 1: to us, you know, as artists, as as people who 382 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 1: the arts have often been a safe haven for queer 383 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: people and in a place where we build real community 384 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 1: of solidarity. And I remember when we got this script. 385 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 1: I remember the punk rock poem version of the first 386 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: poem that is as you said famously at the Holocaust Museum, 387 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 1: And I remember, God, even now, just talking about it, 388 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 1: I have chills, and I have chills when I watched 389 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: you read it in the episode. Um when you when 390 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: you made her read it it, it did feel like 391 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 1: someone was not just giving us a history lesson, but 392 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: telling us how history was ours, telling us how we 393 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:17,120 Speaker 1: could change it by by giving us the punk rock anthem. 394 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 1: In the early aughts, it was like, you, guys, it's 395 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: your fight now. It was our fight in this generation, 396 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: and now this version this is this is your generation's fight. 397 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: And I just, uh like it makes me want to 398 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 1: cry like that you in this episode were able to 399 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: speak for so many people and say I'm not going 400 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,719 Speaker 1: to be quiet. I'm not going to roll over and 401 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 1: let someone be harmed, you know, whether it is you, 402 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 1: or it is a friend, or it is a classmate. 403 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: And it was such an important lesson and enjoy you 404 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 1: said it while we watched it. Watching Peyton use her 405 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: art as protest was king sick. It was so sad. 406 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:06,360 Speaker 1: That's what inspired me. And I was like, yes, this 407 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: is what art is for inspiring. Whether it's encouraging you, 408 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,919 Speaker 1: whether it's healing you, or whether it's motivating you, it 409 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: is meant to inspire. And um, I loved seeing that 410 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: that that defiance, the against the structure and the rules 411 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: and against principal Turner against principles. I love that. I 412 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 1: love that guy. But it's such a It's like I 413 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,360 Speaker 1: I would love to have. I mean, how cool would 414 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: it be to see a teacher who understands that because 415 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: you're in a school, because school, school supposed to be 416 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: a real education. This is not just about learning what 417 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: two plus two is and what year the Declaration of 418 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 1: Independence was signed, Like we're supposed to be learning how 419 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: to think for ourselves, not what to think. So I 420 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: love that Peyton set such a great example for that 421 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 1: and went when you walked in. When I saw you 422 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: with your spray paint can, I was like, I know 423 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,479 Speaker 1: what she's doing and walk in the hallway with that 424 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: shirt on, and I was like, this is what if 425 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,360 Speaker 1: I was a mom, If I was a mom, if 426 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,959 Speaker 1: I was a mom of a teenager, but this, if 427 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 1: Maria was in this situation, this is what I would 428 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,959 Speaker 1: want her to do as a mom. To see a 429 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: young girl taking charge of somebody trying to bully oppress her. 430 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: You know, whether it was true or not, it doesn't matter. 431 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: It was not. It was not the point at all. 432 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 1: It was a harmful slur. It was intended to be 433 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: bullying and maligning, and she just took the power right 434 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: back and stood up for herself and stood up for 435 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 1: a bunch of other people. And I just was And 436 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,199 Speaker 1: then at the end when he was like lose the 437 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,719 Speaker 1: shirt or get suspended, She's like, yep, well here's been 438 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 1: watched me. Let me tell you how much I would 439 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: have supported my daughter in that one hundred thousand percent. 440 00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 1: I've been like, yeah, maybe come on home. No, problem, 441 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: but bring it. It was a trigger. You know, those 442 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: rumors existed about me growing up. My best friend and I. 443 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 1: Everyone had a different story and we were voting best 444 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 1: friends senior year in superlatives and we held up signs 445 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: that said not lovers with arrows pointing to each other 446 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: and like the end of the year, and you know, 447 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: it was like a thing that I had to be 448 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: able to navigate and laugh off. And so I took 449 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: this episode very very seriously. I was very serious and 450 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 1: really scared about this episode because I didn't know if 451 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: I was being called out or if there was a 452 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: kid at home who was going to hear Peyton say 453 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: I'm not gay and get their feelings hurt that she 454 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,719 Speaker 1: was denying it like there was. It just felt like 455 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: so much responsibility and I really really didn't want to 456 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: screw it up. And even like a month ago, I 457 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 1: got an d M from a guy who was like, 458 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: I came out because of this storyline, Like you guys 459 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 1: gave me the tools to be able to handle coming 460 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,679 Speaker 1: out in a small town and those those kinds of 461 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: things mean a lot to me. Um. I was really 462 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,880 Speaker 1: mad that Peyton was taking her shirt off, like when 463 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: we talk about that. What was frustrating for you about that? 464 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: So look, we fought the whole first season to not 465 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: take our clothes off hooking up with dudes, and our 466 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 1: bosses understood that if it was tied to something I 467 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 1: was passionate about politically, you know, like socially, chances are 468 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 1: I would probably do it. And so you know, it's 469 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 1: not like Peyton had it on a jacket that she 470 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 1: could take off. It's not like Peyton had it on 471 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,880 Speaker 1: her backpack or like something. But she wouldn't have gotten 472 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: suspended for taking the jacket off. I mean, it had 473 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 1: to be a statement. Taking the shirt off also felt 474 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: like they were building towards a moment of a little 475 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 1: bit of a rotism eroticism where it was like, oh, 476 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 1: we're going to see Peyton and her bra, Like Hillary's 477 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,399 Speaker 1: never done anything in her bra before. This will be 478 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 1: the thing that gets her inner bra. And so I 479 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: went into the fitting with my this is how like 480 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: much of a horder I am. I had my real 481 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: like thin triangle top braw from tenth grade, like that 482 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: was like my training bra, and it's not sexy, it's 483 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,959 Speaker 1: not padded, it's not a push up raw. It was ratty. 484 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: It was like, you know when like fabric gets all 485 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 1: pilled and stuff. It was a gross ratty brawl. Nothing 486 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: sexy about it. Oh that's nice, but it was just 487 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,880 Speaker 1: like a Walmart brawl from Sterling, Virginia that I'd had 488 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 1: in the back of my drawer forever. And I also 489 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 1: didn't want to look like, you know a lot of 490 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: times when we have to get naked and you're like, oh, 491 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do sit ups or I'm you know, like 492 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna like prep for it. I also didn't want 493 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: girls to see a body that was prepped for it, 494 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: if that makes sense. And so I went out the 495 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 1: night before with my boyfriend out back steakhouse and got 496 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: a bloomin onion and got like a bit you know, 497 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: like I just really I didn't want to feed into 498 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,360 Speaker 1: any of the I'm in a brawl of it all 499 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 1: because that wasn't the point. I needed it to be unsexy. 500 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 1: I needed it to be sad and vulnerable and you know, 501 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: I'm lauchin as I walk away like it's just love you. 502 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: Hillary of it was really important and I didn't ever 503 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 1: want anyone to make it perverted because it Yeah, I 504 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: took it so seriously, if it had felt sexy, like 505 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: if she'd been in an outfit, it wouldn't have had 506 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: the same impact. It felt exactly that unprepared for surprising 507 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,159 Speaker 1: it was. It was a split second decision made in 508 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: a moment. It's like, you know, as adult swee joke, like, oh, 509 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 1: it's laundry day, I'm wearing my ugliest day, Like you 510 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: want that kind of rawness, not like some chic Lacey brawle. 511 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: That was not the point. And you nailed all the 512 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 1: stuff that we've been shopping for in the Lauderie store 513 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: for the first two seasons were minutes. You nailed it 514 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 1: because the simpleness of it allowed for the protests to 515 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: be centered. Yeah, it wasn't a out your body. It 516 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: wasn't about sexualizing you, And I don't think it came 517 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: off that way. I mean, I don't know how you 518 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 1: still feel looking back and watching it, if you still 519 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: feel like it was a group of writers trying to 520 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: make you be naked. Um, because may have it may 521 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: have even been intended to be, but I didn't. To 522 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 1: me as as a viewer, it did not come across 523 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: that way. How do you feel about it? I see 524 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: what it means to other people, and there's value in that. 525 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: For me. I get like, m yeah, I just didn't 526 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: want to get up. Yeah, you did it. You did 527 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: it so beautiful. It's fun now. Like I was, it 528 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: was kind of jarring. The last convention we went, two 529 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: kids showed up with spray painted shirts that said dig 530 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: on it and like, we know, that's like a bad word. Guys, 531 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 1: you can't like, we don't say that, um and and so. 532 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: I but but they were taking ownership of it, which 533 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: I loved. Oh, I've loved it for them. Um, but 534 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,719 Speaker 1: I can't walk around with that shirt all. It's one 535 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 1: of those things. The best case scenario, the bra situation 536 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 1: was the best case scenario. I think. Just that's that's 537 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: what I read a lot of scripts. I'm sure we 538 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: all have read scripts where you're just like, of course, 539 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: and now the girl gets naked, or like of course, 540 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: and now you're she's in her bra and why she 541 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 1: and her brau in this scene? There's no reason for that, 542 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: but there are I mean, are we are artists? So 543 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: are you wholly an artist or not? And for me, 544 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: as an artist, my entire body is uh to be 545 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: used for art in the correct context. So um, and 546 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: that's fine. Look, some people I want to only be 547 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: you know, want to reserve their bodies for just their 548 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: private life and and they only you know, use a 549 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: particular portion of them for for art. And that's totally fine. 550 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: Not everybody's supposed to do the same thing. But as 551 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: someone who feels like totally embodied as an artist, I 552 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: totally relate to that as just you're your body is 553 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,719 Speaker 1: your body, it's part of your artistic expression. And it 554 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: didn't come across to me as sexualized at all. It 555 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 1: felt like it was a very specific choice. Um, it 556 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: was a shocking choice, but not um titillating or well, 557 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: there was that fitting. The fight was always in the fitting, 558 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Had we been on a 559 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: different show that had this scene, it would have been 560 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: art and it would have been safe. But because we 561 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: had already been fighting for like a year and a 562 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: half for these things, it was just like this just 563 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: a different for the same result. Because it's it's it's 564 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 1: pushing on the bruise next to the cut, so you're 565 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: kind of like, what is this? What is this? Even 566 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: if it isn't meant to be that? When when you've 567 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: when you've experienced the same thing with the people who 568 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: treating you're their property. It gets triggering. But probably because 569 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 1: of all those fights and all the all the fights 570 00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: you won and the times when you didn't end up 571 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: that that's why this paid off so much, Because it 572 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: wasn't just like, oh, paints in her bra again. It's 573 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: all those fights were leading up to this moment. You know, Hey, 574 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: thanks dan Yella. Daniella really sold this because in a 575 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: different actress's hands, this girl that's kind of flip flopping 576 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: between Lucas and maybe Peyton or like, you know, like 577 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: all this kind of like weirdness and ambiguity would have 578 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: been messy. But because she is so slow and methodical 579 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: about the way she gives out information, and she's so 580 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: kind of um vulnerable, you feel for this little animal. 581 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: You're like, oh my god, Like, honey, what what happened 582 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: to you that you can't that you're that you feel 583 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: like you have to pretend um? And I love that 584 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: Lucas is like giving her this speech where he's like 585 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 1: he's like, hey man, this isn't gonna work out, and 586 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: she's like, okay, He's like, I have feelings for someone, 587 00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: and she's like me too. Yeah. Wait, so so then 588 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: how does all this how do you feel for you? 589 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 1: Because I know I mentioned it earlier, but it's such 590 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 1: a beautiful performance. How did it all kind of compound 591 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: to get to Peyton's last scene with with brook like 592 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: to get into that room and to come and ask 593 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: for help. But that and I'll say she doesn't want 594 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: to ask for help. That was but that. Those are 595 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: words that I wish I could use as a grown up. 596 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 1: I think when you are a person who the world 597 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 1: has expectations for you, like, oh, you handle stress so well, 598 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: having to admit at any point like oh hey, like no, 599 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: I don't, um, it's hard. And so Brooks probably been 600 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: applauded by her parents like oh, you're so responsible and 601 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 1: mature and you can live by yourself. And Haley has 602 00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: been told by her parents like, honey, you can go 603 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 1: get married. You've always been a good decision. And Peyton 604 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 1: has been told by her dad like, no, you're good, 605 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,360 Speaker 1: you can handle this. It's not hard to ask for 606 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 1: help if you're a person who's always had a support network. 607 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: It's hard to ask for help when you're on a 608 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:17,839 Speaker 1: pedestal and everyone expects you to continue to function at 609 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 1: a high level. Um. She calls her dad, which is 610 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 1: a big deal, and he doesn't pick up, and so 611 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 1: she's reaching out for help in these places where every 612 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 1: kid should be able to find it. Um. But for me, 613 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 1: like the Brook and Peyton of it all, I don't know. 614 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 1: I just think, Um, I loved that scene so much 615 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 1: because I think we were probably experiencing that in real life, 616 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,280 Speaker 1: like not having having a place to put things down, 617 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 1: because especially at that age, who could we talked to 618 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,760 Speaker 1: Our friends from home were still in college. They didn't 619 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,280 Speaker 1: know what our world looked, you know, like they couldn't 620 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 1: understand what it's like to have a mortgage or to 621 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: deal with like commissions with your manager and having to 622 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,720 Speaker 1: answer phone calls and tone meetings, and like there wasn't 623 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 1: a language that you could share with your regular support network. 624 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 1: So we were living that in real life while our 625 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,360 Speaker 1: characters were also living that. Just like where do I 626 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 1: put this down? Yeah? Yeah, I love how tender you 627 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 1: were in your little twin bed, just like honey, come here, 628 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 1: say it would have been such a fun night of 629 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 1: Felix wasn't there. It would have been so great feeling. 630 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,759 Speaker 1: And you see, I just I don't know the parallel 631 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 1: of those two Peyton feeling so alone and Brookes saying 632 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 1: you always have me, and even on the quad saying this, 633 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: all those girls are jealous. You look better than them. 634 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: Like she's just coming out with she's the perfect best 635 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 1: friend for this. She's such a mama bear with her 636 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,719 Speaker 1: best friend and that. But in the end scene you 637 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 1: realize that to Brook, nobody else exists in that moment. 638 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 1: She's like, I'm here, We're doing it. Everything's gonna be okay. 639 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 1: And then this guy walks out and she she to 640 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 1: confront her own way of trying to feel better because 641 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 1: she has nobody in her arm who's supporting her either. 642 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 1: And she's not going to pile it on Peyton right 643 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 1: now because Peyton struggling and you just really responsibility. They 644 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,320 Speaker 1: just have no idea what to do with their pain. 645 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: We need a safe word. It's like the gift of 646 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 1: the Magi, you know, where each person is giving up 647 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 1: the thing that is important to them to be there 648 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,359 Speaker 1: for the other person. Yeah, it's so easy for Brooke 649 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 1: to be there for Peyton and for Payton to be 650 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,360 Speaker 1: there for Anna. Like sometimes when you're in the depths 651 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,799 Speaker 1: of your own it makes it really easy for you 652 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,920 Speaker 1: to kind of pivot and focus on someone else's problem. 653 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:41,279 Speaker 1: It's helpful. Actually yeah, well until you're like, oh, but 654 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 1: now I'm just like faking it with my friend. Oh yeah, 655 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 1: because I've been pushing my own thing away for so long. 656 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 1: So we need like a friend safe word where if 657 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 1: like we all say the same word, we know that 658 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,359 Speaker 1: we're all in the cauldron and we're all bubbling. Like 659 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 1: everyone should have a friend safe word so that you 660 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: don't even necessarily have to just gossip, but you know, 661 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 1: like I've got a thing, You've got a thing. Cool, 662 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:09,400 Speaker 1: let's just like drink smoothies. Well, speaking of Mama Bear 663 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,880 Speaker 1: energy a little bit here, let's pivot to Karen, who 664 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,920 Speaker 1: I was just saying this was like the ultimate Irish 665 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 1: family background of Moira coming out. Just loved it so 666 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,280 Speaker 1: much because we've never seen Karen angry before. Well maybe 667 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 1: at Dan once, but yeah, she tore it up and 668 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:35,479 Speaker 1: she went after his friends. Oh my gosh, don't mess 669 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 1: with Karen, y'all. When the when the boys on the 670 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 1: river cord are like, nah, we talked to your mom 671 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 1: like scared. That was the best, but her yelling at 672 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,239 Speaker 1: him and and just reminding him that he is her 673 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 1: child and he lives under her roof, and he is 674 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,440 Speaker 1: a teenager and she will make him get it. I 675 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 1: was like, she just keeps punching. It was phenomenal, so good. Well, 676 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 1: enjoy to your point, like the payoff. She's always been sweet, 677 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,319 Speaker 1: she's always been gentle, she's always been understanding, and so 678 00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 1: for a year and a half for that to be 679 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:12,439 Speaker 1: her tone and then all of a sudden, like the hell, 680 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 1: hath no fury? Like a mother lied to? That's it, 681 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,880 Speaker 1: a mother who has led to because and her son's 682 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:23,560 Speaker 1: life is at risk. There's no messing for basketball basket. Yeah, 683 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:28,439 Speaker 1: it's so insane. No not okay, um the last little 684 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,080 Speaker 1: thing on the docket here is um my sweater and 685 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:36,800 Speaker 1: I'm kidding the last thing. Maybe this is an episode 686 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,799 Speaker 1: about us all kind of coming into our power in 687 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:43,279 Speaker 1: different ways, because you you know, we meet Haley wearing 688 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:48,360 Speaker 1: all sorts of dorky, and then as Haley is coming 689 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 1: into her music, coming into her personhood and like making 690 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,480 Speaker 1: these like big decisions for herself, you also are coming 691 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 1: in with like this is how I want to look, 692 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,040 Speaker 1: This is how I want to resent my character. You 693 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,719 Speaker 1: bought that sweater. Yeah, I found that sweater. I bought it, 694 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,960 Speaker 1: bred it in. It's so cute. I love it. I 695 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,400 Speaker 1: have I have visceral memories, like I can feel it 696 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 1: and smell it. I loved that sweater. I don't know, 697 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,400 Speaker 1: I think it was like Jake Rue or something. I 698 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 1: mean it's probably, yeah, it was probably I was going 699 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:23,440 Speaker 1: to wasn't extraordinary. We had a few great shops, but um, yeah, 700 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,479 Speaker 1: but I agree, And Haley really was trying to figure 701 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,280 Speaker 1: out how to come into her own in this episode. 702 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 1: I mean, it's so it was so interesting to watch 703 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:35,320 Speaker 1: a young couple fight, um, knowing that there is a solution, 704 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 1: but these are that's a big bite to take out 705 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 1: of out of life. Um, I married you, I want 706 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,880 Speaker 1: to be with you forever. I want us to do 707 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 1: everything in partnership, and yet I have this is part 708 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,720 Speaker 1: of me, Like I can't say no to this massive 709 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 1: part of me just because you're uncomfortable. And yet I 710 00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,759 Speaker 1: want to honor your feelings. I want to respect where 711 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 1: you're at. I want to make space for you and 712 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 1: your own insecurities because you're human too, and that's a 713 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,240 Speaker 1: big thing. How do you deal with that as a couple. 714 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I know grown up couples that struggle with 715 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 1: that big time, totally, big time. So learned that as 716 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,600 Speaker 1: a teen that's not easy, really hard. And something I 717 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,320 Speaker 1: love about watching the dynamic between the two of you. 718 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:26,080 Speaker 1: You as Haley, You're trying to take ownership of your 719 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:30,600 Speaker 1: dreams and desires and say, it's not about that, this 720 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:34,120 Speaker 1: is about my music. And then you see James, you 721 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:39,960 Speaker 1: see on his face, Nathan seeing through Chris's bullsh and 722 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:44,000 Speaker 1: knowing he's right. Even if Haley doesn't know, Nathan knows, 723 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:50,279 Speaker 1: and so interestingly they're both right. And that's hard, so 724 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:54,960 Speaker 1: good the rub. Yeah, she doesn't understand, and but even 725 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,279 Speaker 1: but here's the weird part is that even when she 726 00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 1: does finally understand Nathan was right, Chris is after me. 727 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:05,279 Speaker 1: But there's still an opportunity for me. Here Am I 728 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:11,080 Speaker 1: willing too to get on the bus and still pursue 729 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:15,400 Speaker 1: the opportunity that came through this person that had um 730 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:21,520 Speaker 1: an alternative agenda? Oh? Is it? And she attracted to him? 731 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 1: That's it? Is it an alternative agenda? Or is it both? 732 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:30,720 Speaker 1: Can he both Can Chris Keller both like her music 733 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,279 Speaker 1: and her talent and want to cultivate that and be 734 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,600 Speaker 1: a part of it and be attracted to her, or 735 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,280 Speaker 1: do you really think it's just like a bait and switch. 736 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,799 Speaker 1: I don't think it's a bait and switch. I think 737 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,000 Speaker 1: he I think it is both back the hard Part's 738 00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,640 Speaker 1: that's the hard part. And I bet for her it's 739 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 1: easier to see both because she says, Okay, it really 740 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,760 Speaker 1: sucks that he lied. He is hitting on me. Gross, 741 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,759 Speaker 1: But I love Nathan. I'm controlling with Nathan. I can 742 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,919 Speaker 1: do both. And you know is she throwing herself into 743 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,520 Speaker 1: the lions down a little bit. It's a really juicy 744 00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:08,759 Speaker 1: place to be. Oh my gosh, guys, we are so 745 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,000 Speaker 1: deep on this episode. This was a big one. I 746 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,960 Speaker 1: love this episode. It's this honestly might be my favorite 747 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,000 Speaker 1: episode so far. Really, I agree. And we haven't even 748 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:21,400 Speaker 1: gotten to what might be the most explosive thing that 749 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:26,919 Speaker 1: happened this week, which is Chris Keller kissing Haley. Oh 750 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:32,520 Speaker 1: my gosh, Scream doesn't run away, she doesn't. She stayed 751 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,719 Speaker 1: in the kiss. Oh man, guys, We've got a lot 752 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,720 Speaker 1: to talk about and we're out of time. So Surprise 753 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,520 Speaker 1: Surprise Episode ten is going to be a two parter 754 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,279 Speaker 1: We will see you back here next week and we 755 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:52,880 Speaker 1: will have He's coming, Tyler. Chris Keller himself is coming 756 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:57,080 Speaker 1: on the episode. We'll see you back here for part two. Hey, 757 00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,480 Speaker 1: thanks for listening. Don't forget to leave us a review. 758 00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,960 Speaker 1: You also follow us on Instagram at Drama Queens O 759 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,480 Speaker 1: t H. Or email us at Drama Queens at I 760 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:11,040 Speaker 1: heart radio dot com. See you next time. We are 761 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,319 Speaker 1: all about that high school drama. 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