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Speaker 2: who won fourteen in a row. The football news over
Speaker 2: the weekend, we will explore a little deeper. Judy Bautista,
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Speaker 2: from now. Miles Garrett staying with Cleveland. The Raiders go
Speaker 2: out and get Geno Smith. Josh Allen got a contract extension,
Speaker 2: Steelers got dk metcap DeVante Adams goes to the Rams.
Speaker 2: This is similar to opening Christmas gifts on Christmas Eve.
Speaker 2: That's what yesterday was. This weekend was like today is Christmas.
Speaker 2: This is when the news is supposed to break. Noon
Speaker 2: Eastern is when they can kind of make this all official.
Speaker 2: We got Christmas gifts on Christmas Eve instead of Christmas Day. Hey,
Speaker 2: I'm not complaining. There's some big news, big news items yesterday,
Speaker 2: the Miles Garrett staying with Cleveland, Geno Smith going to
Speaker 2: the Raiders, and I think we're looking at all these
Speaker 2: scenarios and you go, why we knew DK Metcalf wanted out,
Speaker 2: but you're going to go to Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh doesn't even
Speaker 2: know who their quarterback is, or they might know, we
Speaker 2: don't know yet. And we brought this up a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks ago, Aaron Rodgers to the Steelers that possibility.
Speaker 2: It's at least in the exploratory stage from what I'm
Speaker 2: told that they haven't ruled it out. And then I
Speaker 2: saw where what's Russell Wilson going to do? What's Justin
Speaker 2: Field's going to do? And then I saw a report
Speaker 2: maybe Justin Fields to the Jets hasn't this young man
Speaker 2: suffered enough they shouldn't do that to him. But you
Speaker 2: might be the starting quarterback. It's wild. It's like Seattle.
Speaker 2: They said, yeah, we'll trade Geno Smith. Okay, Well, Seattle
Speaker 2: must know what they're doing. If they just traded Geno
Speaker 2: Smith and they've gotten rid of Tyler Lockett or they're
Speaker 2: going to lose him and then DK Metcalf as well.
Speaker 2: And this is a team that won ten games last
Speaker 2: year and you're going to trade Gino too, Pete Carroll
Speaker 2: and the Raiders. And does that preclude them from maybe
Speaker 2: going after Shador Sanders. Now I was told it wouldn't
Speaker 2: that they could still see them drafting a court. Now,
Speaker 2: are you going to draft a quarterback in the top ten?
Speaker 2: That's a little bit different if you're going to go
Speaker 2: out and get Geno Smith. But Tom Brady's influence has
Speaker 2: already had an impact there. Josh Allen gets an extension,
Speaker 2: and if this helps them with salary cap relief, pushes
Speaker 2: the contract down the road, you're eventually going to have
Speaker 2: to pay him again. Do you get ahead of the market,
Speaker 2: which you know there's some teams that do and some
Speaker 2: teams that don't. Dallas Cowboys don't and it costs them
Speaker 2: all the time. It's going to cost them with Michael Parsons.
Speaker 2: And Michael Parsons probably had a I'm going to guess
Speaker 2: a celebration yesterday. I would have because all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: he looks at what Miles Garrett got to stay in Cleveland,
Speaker 2: and Michael Parsons is going to be asking for something
Speaker 2: that begins with a four and not a three. Jamar
Speaker 2: Chase probably had a really good day yesterday as well.
Speaker 2: He didn't do anything, but the Browns have said they're
Speaker 2: going to make him the highest paid non quarterback. Why
Speaker 2: they said this, I don't know why they have not
Speaker 2: done this, I don't know. But it's going to cost you.
Speaker 2: If the guy is great, then pay him. That's it. Okay,
Speaker 2: there's a band aid and it might hurt a little bit,
Speaker 2: but boy down the road, I'd rather have a band
Speaker 2: aid than need stitches. And that's what's happening with the
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Bengals and the Dallas Cowboys. Is Jamar Chase as
Speaker 2: much of a sure thing in the NFL and the entries? Yes,
Speaker 2: this is exactly what you wanted out of a player
Speaker 2: that you drafted that high to be great. Now pay
Speaker 2: him pay that to me on his money. And then
Speaker 2: with Michael Parsons, pay him. Remember when TJ. Watt getting
Speaker 2: thirty million, We're like, man, what is going on in
Speaker 2: the NFL that it seems like the old days? It
Speaker 2: wasn't that long ago. And then Miles Garrett, Okay, I
Speaker 2: know a little more about this than I'm allowed to
Speaker 2: talk about. But Miles Garrett, you know, talking about staying
Speaker 2: in Cleveland. Uh didn't want to stay in Cleveland.
Speaker 4: He had.
Speaker 2: Now let's go back to when he had his statement
Speaker 2: during the Super Bowl. As a kid dreaming of the NFL,
Speaker 2: all I focused on was the ultimate goal of winning
Speaker 2: a Super Bowl. And my goal fuels me today more
Speaker 2: than ever. I've loved calling this city my home. My
Speaker 2: desire to win and compete on the biggest stages won't
Speaker 2: allow me to be complacent. The goal was never to
Speaker 2: go from Cleveland to Canton. It's always been to compete
Speaker 2: and win a Super Bowl. With that in mind, I've
Speaker 2: requested to be traded from the Cleveland Browns. O WHOA,
Speaker 2: Okay this and once again I got to be careful
Speaker 2: in what I'm going to tell you. That spent twenty
Speaker 2: minutes with somebody yesterday and because I was like, boy,
Speaker 2: that was a big turnaround. Well, Cleveland wasn't fielding trade
Speaker 2: offers or they didn't get blown away by anybody. And
Speaker 2: I think what happened is Miles Garrett's representatives probably said, hey,
Speaker 2: they're not going to trade you. I mean, you can't
Speaker 2: be the GM who signs Deshaun Watson and then trades
Speaker 2: away Miles Garrett. Like that's not good on your resume.
Speaker 2: I think Cleveland was pretty steadfast. They were not going
Speaker 2: to trade him. They said they weren't going to trade him,
Speaker 2: and we thought, well, they have to trade him. I
Speaker 2: think what happened is it was basically, okay, what can
Speaker 2: we pay you so you want to stay here? And
Speaker 2: it got to forty million dollars. I think that's really
Speaker 2: what's happening here. Miles Garrett wanted to go someplace out
Speaker 2: they didn't get blown away by a deal, and then
Speaker 2: therefore he had to basically say, Okay, I'm going to stay,
Speaker 2: but what are you going to pay me? Because I
Speaker 2: think he also said, hey, this isn't about being the
Speaker 2: highest paid player in the league, which I didn't buy
Speaker 2: even if he went to someplace else. But I think
Speaker 2: that's what happened in Cleveland. I once again, I got
Speaker 2: to be careful in what I'm saying, because I got
Speaker 2: information yesterday that there's more to the story that I'm
Speaker 2: not allowed to tell you about. I have to wait
Speaker 2: and let the process kind of play out here.
Speaker 5: Yes, poone, but the common reaction is what changed for
Speaker 5: Miles Garrett because they didn't add some star players in
Speaker 5: the past two months to bolster that team and make
Speaker 5: them more competitive.
Speaker 3: They're still the Browns, so well.
Speaker 2: He couldn't do anything about it, right like he I
Speaker 2: don't think he wanted to stay there. I think that
Speaker 2: they gave him an offer that will satisfy him, and
Speaker 2: they were, you know, adamant, they weren't going to trade him.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he goes yeah, you know, But
Speaker 2: on second though, I think we can win at all.
Speaker 2: I think we can be competitive. I think he's just
Speaker 2: being honest that I did want to go. I can't go.
Speaker 2: I'm staying now, you know, make me the highest paid
Speaker 2: non quarterback in the league. So he can say face
Speaker 2: as well, you know, because we'll eventually move on from this,
Speaker 2: you know. Right now, It's like, oh, yeah, great, you
Speaker 2: said you were gonna you wanted to be with a contender,
Speaker 2: somebody could compete for Super Bowl. Cleveland's roster hasn't really
Speaker 2: changed that much. That's what I was told that Miles
Speaker 2: did want to leave, They were not going to trade him.
Speaker 2: They were not blown away. And then I think both parties,
Speaker 2: how do we make this work moving forward? And that's
Speaker 2: how he ended up at forty million dollars. But Gino
Speaker 2: Smith's situation, I like it for the Raiders because now
Speaker 2: you have somebody who can play quarterback and you're in
Speaker 2: a division that is the most competitive division in football.
Speaker 2: Now you've got to at least every Sunday know that
Speaker 2: your quarterback gives you a chance. And maybe Geno Smith
Speaker 2: is a B level quarterback, but that's okay. You got
Speaker 2: Rock Bowers, you got Max Crosby, you got a chance
Speaker 2: in the draft to get somebody. I'm told that they're
Speaker 2: going to get Ashton Genty. I was told that yesterday.
Speaker 2: Now once again I can tell you things that are
Speaker 2: you know what are we five weeks out from the draft,
Speaker 2: a month out from the draft. Things will change. But
Speaker 2: I'm trying to understand the philosophy of I don't know
Speaker 2: what Seattle's doing because that's a clearance sale and are
Speaker 2: you going to go get Sam Darnald So you get
Speaker 2: a younger quarterback, doesn't mean he's a better quarterback. In fact,
Speaker 2: I would probably still I would take Geno Smith over
Speaker 2: Sam Donald, especially the way Seattle plays. You know, it's
Speaker 2: a ball control, grinded out, makes you know a couple
Speaker 2: of plays, and Gino has played well, But the Raiders
Speaker 2: got a quarterback that they can count on and they
Speaker 2: haven't had that for a little while. As for Seattle,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if is this a rebuild or reload.
Speaker 2: That front office has always been great. They find talent
Speaker 2: and that's a division you can win. That's what surprised me.
Speaker 2: They could have just stayed with what they had there.
Speaker 2: Now DK Metcalf, I've said before he should be a
Speaker 2: whole lot better. Every time I see him, I see
Speaker 2: des Bryant without the resume, and maybe this helps him.
Speaker 2: But I can't imagine George Pickens and DK Metcalf being
Speaker 2: happy with, Hey, you got four targets today. How about
Speaker 2: our running game? Like now, if you get Aaron Rodgers, okay,
Speaker 2: then I could see where that would be a little
Speaker 2: more interesting. I think the Rams had an unbelievable because
Speaker 2: you're going to get Cooper Cup's salary off the books
Speaker 2: and you bring in Davante Adams, And I always want
Speaker 2: to know how far out do you think the Rams go?
Speaker 2: You know, we're going to get rid of Cooper Cup.
Speaker 2: Who can we get Now you start going, okay, what
Speaker 2: are the Jets going to do with Davante? But that's
Speaker 2: when you make a phone call. These things don't happen
Speaker 2: in the span of you know, six hours, twelve hours.
Speaker 2: I know there's the legal tampering, which I still find
Speaker 2: amazing that it's like jumbo shrimp. Wait, doesn't make sense,
Speaker 2: legal tampering. Why do we even call it legal tampering?
Speaker 2: But Davante Adams going there, Matthew Stafford's got to be thrilled. Soy,
Speaker 2: you got Davante Adams and pukin Nakua, you got a
Speaker 2: good running game, you got our young defense. You know,
Speaker 2: you get Matthew Stafford back. They the Rams are in
Speaker 2: great shape, great shape, But there's teams that didn't do anything.
Speaker 2: What are the Giants doing? What are the giants doing?
Speaker 2: Are you going all in to get Cam Warre because
Speaker 2: is Justin Fields gonna be Plan B?
Speaker 3: I don't know?
Speaker 2: Or is Justin Fields going to the Jet? What are
Speaker 2: the Jets doing?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 2: Is Russell Wilson involved in this? And the Steelers? I'm
Speaker 2: guessing you got like you have two quarterbacks, but you
Speaker 2: don't feel like you have one quarterback You've got you
Speaker 2: just traded for g Like, if i'm dk Metcal, the
Speaker 2: first thing I say is, well, who's going to be quarterback? Hey,
Speaker 2: I'm glad you're gonna give me one hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: million dollars, But who's going to be the quarterback here?
Speaker 2: That's the big question there. And can Aaron Rodgers fit
Speaker 2: in with the Steelers if that would happen? Kind of wild,
Speaker 2: kind of wild, yes, Don.
Speaker 6: And you're still hearing that buzz even up in TI
Speaker 6: this weekend. Giants vikings for Aaron Rodgers, it's all over
Speaker 6: the place right now with him.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought that the vikings basically said that JJ
Speaker 2: McCarthy will be our starting quarterback, and then I saw
Speaker 2: a where well, he's coming back from a devastating injury.
Speaker 2: He might not be ready to go. And that's why
Speaker 2: you reach out to Aaron Rodgers. I'm not quite sure.
Speaker 2: But if I'm JJ McCarthy, I probably think I'm going
Speaker 2: to be the starter. But if you're Aaron Rodgers, in
Speaker 2: his mind, he's still a starter. May not be reality,
Speaker 2: but it may be. Hey, you want to be the
Speaker 2: starting quarterback for the Giants for one year thirty million
Speaker 2: dollars or take your chances elsewhere? Yeah, pull.
Speaker 5: It's almost like the Vikings were too competitive last year
Speaker 5: to start developing a quarterback. They were surprisingly competitive because
Speaker 5: of Donald. They may move on from Darnald, but now
Speaker 5: they have to replace him with a guy who can help.
Speaker 3: Them win the division. Now it's a weird place to be.
Speaker 5: If they were under five hundred last year, they finished
Speaker 5: under five hundred, move on to JJ McCarthy, Colmley.
Speaker 3: But it's like they're weirdly competitive.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yes, Ton, and social media's been having fun with
Speaker 6: the far of comparison. You play for the Packers or
Speaker 6: go to the Jets and the Vikings.
Speaker 2: Oh boy, you say you can't do it, but he
Speaker 2: can do it. Yeah, he didn't care.
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Speaker 2: Dylan is in for Seaton today. He'll handle the pole
Speaker 2: question duties. How about our one pole question?
Speaker 9: All right, Dan our one poll? Who had the best weekend?
Speaker 9: Excluding Josh Allen okay, Gina Smith, Miles Garrett, DK metcalf A,
Speaker 9: DeVante Adams okay?
Speaker 2: Well, I would say Miles Garrett because of what he's
Speaker 2: getting paid, but he still has to get paid playing
Speaker 2: for the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 5: Yes, Paul DeVante Adams at this juncture, his career goes
Speaker 5: to a competitive team, big market and a drop back
Speaker 5: timing quarterback that's perfect for him.
Speaker 2: Judy Batista, senior national columnist, co host of The Insiders
Speaker 2: on NFL Network. Let me start there, Judy, who had
Speaker 2: the best weekend?
Speaker 10: I would say Devonte Adams as well. He got I
Speaker 10: think more than many people thought he was going to get.
Speaker 10: He's with a team very much on the rise. I
Speaker 10: mean they are way ahead of schedule. He gets to
Speaker 10: stay in California, where he's from. I think he had
Speaker 10: the best weekend because, as you put it perfectly, Miles
Speaker 10: Garrett just for the cash alone, but he's staying with
Speaker 10: a team that we now know he didn't want to
Speaker 10: be with just a few days ago.
Speaker 2: Why didn't Cleveland get an offer that could at least
Speaker 2: have them budge off this stance of we're not going
Speaker 2: to trade Miles Scarett.
Speaker 10: I don't think they ever even entertained the idea of
Speaker 10: trading Miles Garrett Listen. So much has gone wrong for
Speaker 10: that team. Obviously. The Deshaun Watson deal was just a
Speaker 10: ca astrophe that you can't trade your best player. I mean,
Speaker 10: he's not just their best player, this is a Hall
Speaker 10: of Fame caliber player. He's arguably the best defensive player
Speaker 10: in the league every year. You just can't trade that guy.
Speaker 10: And if you're going to give your fans anything to
Speaker 10: hang on to, you can't trade that guy. So unless
Speaker 10: they were somebody came to them with, you know, we'll
Speaker 10: give you four number ones, which I don't think anybody
Speaker 10: was doing. Like, they just couldn't entertain anything. And if
Speaker 10: we take them at their word, and I think we can,
Speaker 10: because they were saying the same things to teams that
Speaker 10: they were saying to reporters, they were never trading him.
Speaker 2: Is it irresponsible though of them that yes, this guy
Speaker 2: is going you know Cleveland to Canton, but maybe there's
Speaker 2: a stop in between with Detroit or Washington or whoever.
Speaker 2: Maybe somebody overpays to make you a bet. If I'm
Speaker 2: Cleveland Browns fan, it's nice that I'm going to see
Speaker 2: him in uniform, But are we any better by having
Speaker 2: him in uniform instead of trying to get something else
Speaker 2: to kind of restart this franchise.
Speaker 10: I saw a lot of that online yesterday when the
Speaker 10: deal happened, a lot of fans saying like, shouldn't we
Speaker 10: have gotten the fall of draft picks. Draft picks are gambles, right,
Speaker 10: you don't know how they're going to pan out. You
Speaker 10: do know what this guy is going to do, right,
Speaker 10: He's going to sack the quarterback fifteen times a season.
Speaker 10: At least he is going to give you a chance
Speaker 10: to win. I think part of what kept him in Cleveland,
Speaker 10: aside from the obvious the pile of money, is they
Speaker 10: sold to him on the idea that they have a
Speaker 10: plan to be back. Right, they were in the playoffs
Speaker 10: only a couple of years ago, Like, we're not you know,
Speaker 10: the roster is not completely barren. This is what we're
Speaker 10: going to do at quarterback, And I think as those
Speaker 10: things come to light, maybe the decision will make a
Speaker 10: little bit more sense. I think he read the tea leaves,
Speaker 10: and his representatives read the tea leaves that they were
Speaker 10: never going to trade him. I mean, Jimmy Haslam wouldn't
Speaker 10: even meet with him, and basically said, like, you know,
Speaker 10: go deal with Andrew Berry. Don't try to come appealing
Speaker 10: to me for a trade. Go go talk to Andrew Berry. Uh.
Speaker 10: And I think they, you know, they came to the
Speaker 10: conclusion like, you're not getting traded unless you are willing
Speaker 10: to hold out and sacrifice, you know, a year's worth
Speaker 10: of salary, because that's the only alternative. You need to
Speaker 10: come to grips with the fact that you're not getting traded,
Speaker 10: So make the best deal you can and try to
Speaker 10: figure out how you can be happy here.
Speaker 2: What are the Seahawks doing, That's a good question.
Speaker 10: It's hard. It's hard to really question John Schneider because
Speaker 10: he's very, very good, you know, but certainly this is
Speaker 10: a reset, at the very least, moving Gino Smith. You know,
Speaker 10: I always got the impression that maybe John Schneider, he
Speaker 10: was always less committal about Geno Smith, then maybe the
Speaker 10: coaches were Mike McDonald was at the combine only you
Speaker 10: know what was that two weeks ago saying like, we
Speaker 10: love Geno Smith, He's definitely our quarterback. But I always
Speaker 10: thought John Schneider was a little bit more reserved, and
Speaker 10: it's I think it's a good move for Gino Smith.
Speaker 10: I think it's a fairly decent move for the Seahawks,
Speaker 10: presuming that they already know who their next quarterback is
Speaker 10: going to be. And it's hard for me to imagine
Speaker 10: that a GM as good as John Schneider with Trader
Speaker 10: starting quarterback without having a very very strong idea of
Speaker 10: who the next guy is. So I assume that that
Speaker 10: domino will fall as soon as the window opens today.
Speaker 2: For Negotia, Yeah, I rarely question what the front office
Speaker 2: does in Seattle. They're they're very buttoned up, they're very smart. Yes,
Speaker 2: you know, if you're getting Sam donold. Look, Gino is
Speaker 2: an older, a little above average quarterback. It gives you
Speaker 2: a little more stability with the rate is competing in
Speaker 2: the AFC West, but the NFC West is winnable. You
Speaker 2: won ten games, you know, you went toe to toe
Speaker 2: with the Rams. The Niners are going to come back
Speaker 2: a little bit. But that's what was surprising is you
Speaker 2: let your receivers go and it just felt like a
Speaker 2: tag sale. And I don't know, you know what that
Speaker 2: big grand plant? Is Sam Donald going to be the answer?
Speaker 2: They're that sure that Sam Donald is their guy?
Speaker 10: Right? I think they also want a running game, like
Speaker 10: I think they just want to retool. Right, this is
Speaker 10: now a second year head coach who is now going
Speaker 10: to instead of working with what was in place, is
Speaker 10: going to start putting what he wants in place, right,
Speaker 10: the kind of system he wants. I generally agree with
Speaker 10: the idea that there's it's a much greater chance that
Speaker 10: you're going to get worse at quarterback. Look, you already
Speaker 10: know what Gino Smith is. Are you very very sure
Speaker 10: that Sam Donald is going to repeat the kind of
Speaker 10: success with your program that he had in an almost
Speaker 10: perfect situation with the Vikings right where he had just
Speaker 10: all world weapons, great coaching, he was protected. Well, so
Speaker 10: you got to be really sure that that's going to translate.
Speaker 10: We'll see. But again I hesitate to question John Schneider
Speaker 10: because they usually make the right motes at Seattle.
Speaker 2: Who's going to be the quarterback of the Giants?
Speaker 10: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know the answer. For
Speaker 10: a while, I thought all the pieces were lining up
Speaker 10: that it was going to be Aaron Rodgers. I'm still
Speaker 10: very curious to see what Aaron Rodgers market would be.
Speaker 10: The fact that you know, nothing has been completed with
Speaker 10: Aaron Rodgers makes you pause, and you know, as we
Speaker 10: know from Rogers in the past, like he's he's deliberate, right,
Speaker 10: He's going to think about his options and explore his options,
Speaker 10: and he's not going to be hasty. He certainly doesn't
Speaker 10: want to make a bad decision here. But you know,
Speaker 10: if if that falls through, what's the fallback plan for
Speaker 10: the Giants? You know, I don't know, you know, would
Speaker 10: they be in on Sam Donald? That's a different kind
Speaker 10: of thing, you know, Russell Wilson, that's a different kind
Speaker 10: of thing. I mean, you know, when the Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 10: thing started first bubbling up about the Giants connected to
Speaker 10: the Giants, I think a lot of Giants fans I
Speaker 10: live in New York, a lot of Giants fans walking
Speaker 10: for this is great, no way, come on. But when
Speaker 10: you slow down and think about it, like there are
Speaker 10: not a ton of great options like for that kind
Speaker 10: of job, right now, like the veteran guy who's just
Speaker 10: the bridge guy. We're not talking about a veteran guy
Speaker 10: like Sam Donald that you're going to have for the
Speaker 10: next ten years. We're talking about a bridge to the
Speaker 10: next guy that presumably they're going to try to draft
Speaker 10: this year. It's just there's not that many of them,
Speaker 10: and Aaron Rodgers is the best of the bunch, right.
Speaker 10: I mean, you would rather have Aaron Rodgers than Russell
Speaker 10: Wilson at this point, or Jamus way Stint or you know,
Speaker 10: Jimmy Garoppolo, like you know who else is out there.
Speaker 10: So we'll see. I am curious to see what the
Speaker 10: rest of the market would look like for Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2: Judy Batista joining us on loan from NFL Network, co
Speaker 2: host of The Insiders. What are the Steelers doing?
Speaker 10: The Steelers are loading up. I think the way last
Speaker 10: season ended for the Steelers, where it was just clear
Speaker 10: they didn't have enough firepower, enough offensive firepower to stay
Speaker 10: with the top teams in the AFC that you know
Speaker 10: that the offense really said at the end. I think
Speaker 10: they are going to fix that. Don't forget they spent
Speaker 10: all of last year trying to get a big time
Speaker 10: wide receiver.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 10: They were in on Brandon Ayuk, they were in on
Speaker 10: Defante Adams, they got Mike Williams. That didn't you know, okay, whatever,
Speaker 10: So this was like the long quest for a receiver
Speaker 10: finally finally coming to an end and they get DK Metcalf.
Speaker 10: To me, the interesting thing is are they keeping George
Speaker 10: Pickens too, because then you have pick and and DK Metcalf,
Speaker 10: which is pretty appealing for a quarterback, whoever the quarterback is.
Speaker 10: To me, it's amazing that they made the deal for
Speaker 10: the star wide receiver without having any quarterback under contract.
Speaker 2: I know, sort of the reverse, but it's.
Speaker 10: Quite a good selling point if you have to sell
Speaker 10: yourself on a quarterback. I mean, for instance, if I
Speaker 10: am a veteran quarterback with options and the Steelers are
Speaker 10: interested in maybe that's a pretty I mean, I know
Speaker 10: the weather is tough and it's an extremely difficult division,
Speaker 10: but those are some pretty good weapons you'd be throwing
Speaker 10: it through.
Speaker 2: We tend to talk about this. It feels like on
Speaker 2: a yearly basis, there's certain teams that are proactive. They're
Speaker 2: going to extend their star players. They get ahead of
Speaker 2: the curve the financial curve. Here we are with Dallas
Speaker 2: and Michael Parsons, and here we are with Jamar Chase.
Speaker 2: The Bengals could have signed Jamar Chase a while ago,
Speaker 2: it feels like and Dallas could have done the same thing.
Speaker 2: I mean, you'd be saved. It's only going up. The
Speaker 2: longer you wait, the more it's going to cost you.
Speaker 2: So I'm just trying to understand the financial responsibility sensibility
Speaker 2: with both of these programs. These franchises of they're great,
Speaker 2: pay them, don't wait to pay them.
Speaker 10: I don't know, I don't know why they wait, but
Speaker 10: I mean this last weekend we've seen the stark like
Speaker 10: what happens when you wait? They they waited, and now
Speaker 10: they are Both teams are going to have to pay many,
Speaker 10: many millions of dollars more, Which is great for the players,
Speaker 10: Michael Carson, good for Jamar Chase. They deserve they've earned it,
Speaker 10: go get it. But if you're the team that's trying
Speaker 10: to move around the dollars, I mean, you have really
Speaker 10: put yourself in a terrible spot. The Bangals did it
Speaker 10: to them twice. First of all, they should have done
Speaker 10: Jamar Chase last year. They were close. I believe they
Speaker 10: got hung up on guaranteed money, which now you're like, ah,
Speaker 10: I mean the market jumped so significantly, right. The Max
Speaker 10: Crosby deal made him the highest paid non quarterback, you know,
Speaker 10: by a little bit. Now the Miles Garrett makes them
Speaker 10: by a lot. And the Bengals have said publicly that
Speaker 10: they're going to make Jamar Chase the highest paid non quarterbacks,
Speaker 10: so I mean they've got no wiggle room, and now
Speaker 10: that's going to be much more expensive. Same thing for
Speaker 10: Trey Hendrickson if they have any thoughts of being able
Speaker 10: to keep him. Well, the market for pass rushers just
Speaker 10: took that big leap too with Miles Garrett, so that's
Speaker 10: double trouble for them. And then of course the Michael
Speaker 10: Carson's thing, which is, again, why why do these teams wait?
Speaker 10: I don't know, but they're going to pay much much
Speaker 10: more than they would have if they had just been
Speaker 10: proactive and gotten it done early. You always, if you're
Speaker 10: the team, you want to be the first, right if
Speaker 10: you're the player, you want to be the last, because
Speaker 10: you want to top the market. From the team point.
Speaker 2: Of view, this was not good and I like what
Speaker 2: Buffalo did. They were proactive. This kind of came out
Speaker 2: of nowhere with Josh Allen getting a new deal. But
Speaker 2: it gives them flexibility, yes, right.
Speaker 10: And you don't have to you don't have to say
Speaker 10: about this and there's no The other thing about waiting
Speaker 10: is it creates tension with the player, right, like, which
Speaker 10: you should not want to do. If again, the Bengals
Speaker 10: know they're keeping Jamar Chase right, he is a superstar,
Speaker 10: he's your guy, He's Joe Burrows guy. You can't let
Speaker 10: him out of the building. Why would you ever want
Speaker 10: to create tens with a player like that. So in
Speaker 10: the case of Buffalo, I mean, obviously Josh Allen is
Speaker 10: a stud, right, the MVP. Where would that franchise be
Speaker 10: without him? Yeah, they were proactive. Let's make him happy,
Speaker 10: keep him happy, like anything, anything to make him happy.
Speaker 2: And it's like the Bengals are paying their taxes late.
Speaker 2: The Cowboys pay their taxes late. They're not. And once again,
Speaker 2: they have to be pretty smart to get in the
Speaker 2: position to be able to be an owner of a team.
Speaker 2: But there are times when I just with Jerry Jones,
Speaker 2: he did this with dak overpaid for dank Ce d Lamb.
Speaker 2: Now you can look at Ceedee Lamb and say, all right,
Speaker 2: they got a better deal with the you know, wide
Speaker 2: receiving market. But Michael Parsons, you know, he's great, Pay him,
Speaker 2: pay him, and because down the road these other guys
Speaker 2: are going to get paid as well.
Speaker 10: But well, and the other thing, if I could just
Speaker 10: add this, the other thing is when they when you wait,
Speaker 10: and it stretches throughout the off season, as we saw
Speaker 10: happen with Dallas last year. Like the players admitted it
Speaker 10: was a distraction, right like when you go down to
Speaker 10: literally opening day for Dak Bruscott, right hours before kickoff
Speaker 10: of the season. I mean they admitted it was on
Speaker 10: their minds. And that's that's the last thing you want
Speaker 10: for a team that's you know, considers themselves in the mix.
Speaker 2: Now they're all in, and that's what they are. The
Speaker 2: Cowboys are all in. Great to busy with you again,
Speaker 2: Thank you very much.
Speaker 10: Great to see you, Dan.
Speaker 2: Thanks, that's Judy Btista.
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Speaker 2: Todd is here, Paul, He's here, Marvin's here, and a guest, Danett,
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Speaker 2: today and tomorrow. Dylan will handle the poll responsibilities, the
Speaker 2: pole question responsibilities and anything that you would like to
Speaker 2: add from the first hour poll question. And what are
Speaker 2: you going to go with an hour two?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 9: Yeah, Dan? Well, for our one we had who had
Speaker 9: the best weekend? Gino Smith has zero votes?
Speaker 2: He didn't get one vote from going to the Raiders.
Speaker 2: Huh not one? Okay, then vote.
Speaker 9: I guess people aren't that high in the Raiders either.
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 9: But for hour two, kind of going off the Miles
Speaker 9: Garrett topic, true or false? Miles Garrett is only interested
Speaker 9: in getting the bag, not a ring.
Speaker 2: This is Ala Todd. I can't do it where it's
Speaker 2: one or the other. Like is he interested? Yes, he's
Speaker 2: interested in the money. But do I think that he
Speaker 2: wanted to go elsewhere? I do. I just don't think
Speaker 2: that they got offers. Maybe they didn't even entertain offers.
Speaker 2: So he has to save face now take care of me.
Speaker 2: I guess i'll they had once again, they had to
Speaker 2: give Deshaun Watson a deal that he couldn't refuse. He
Speaker 2: ruled out the Cleveland Browns. I think he wanted to
Speaker 2: go to Atlanta, but he ruled them out, and then
Speaker 2: they said, what if we give you two hundred and
Speaker 2: thirty million dollars guaranteed? All of a sudden, he wants
Speaker 2: to go to the Cleveland Browns. Miles Garrett is going
Speaker 2: to go from Cleveland to Canton to the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: Do I think that he wanted to play meaningful games? Yes?
Speaker 2: I do. Now you go back, but this is you
Speaker 2: weren't a good team last year with him. I think
Speaker 2: that they should have still. Now you don't want to
Speaker 2: give him away, but you have to be open, and
Speaker 2: I just think that that's it's being irresponsible as a
Speaker 2: GM to not to at least listen. Now you might say, no,
Speaker 2: we told him we weren't trading him. That's how much
Speaker 2: he means to us. Okay, you don't mean as much
Speaker 2: to him as he means to you because he wanted
Speaker 2: to leave. But I get that that you're going to
Speaker 2: be loyal. We can't. You don't want to be the
Speaker 2: GM who signed to Shan Watson and traded Miles Garrett.
Speaker 2: I understand that, but you'll owe it to your franchise,
Speaker 2: your fan base to at least explore. And the teams
Speaker 2: that are going to be interested in trading for him.
Speaker 2: Could be Philadelphia, could have been Washington, could be Detroit.
Speaker 2: These are all good teams. They may give you three
Speaker 2: first round picks. I think they were looking maybe for four.
Speaker 2: Were you're going to get a herschel Walker deal. I
Speaker 2: don't think so. So now what do you do? You
Speaker 2: got Miles Garrett? Great? Now what Nick Chubb's not going
Speaker 2: to be there? Who's your quarterback? Jamis Winston wide receiver?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: What do you have here? I mean, is that your
Speaker 2: tune in factor?
Speaker 7: Hey?
Speaker 2: We got Miles Garrett? Okay, you guys got dominated last year.
Speaker 2: The defense got dominated. Okay, he's going to give you
Speaker 2: fifteen sacks? Great? Now what happens on all the other
Speaker 2: plays and when the offense is on the field, it
Speaker 2: just you're gonna get out from underneath the Sean Watson's contract. Now,
Speaker 2: you just spend forty million dollars on a defensive player.
Speaker 2: You need help. I just think it's irresponsible for the
Speaker 2: Browns to put out a statement that says we're not
Speaker 2: trading him and then not Field calls. What happens if
Speaker 2: somebody says we'll give you and then you go oh,
Speaker 2: Like there could be one of those moments there. You
Speaker 2: could even say to Miles Garrett, hey, we tried. We
Speaker 2: just didn't get an offer that we thought was commensurate
Speaker 2: to your talent. You're going to be a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2: We would hate to give you up, but only if
Speaker 2: it helps our franchise moving, you know, in the next decade,
Speaker 2: like in the right direction. And they didn't get that opportunity.
Speaker 2: A lot of times we overestimate what somebody's going to
Speaker 2: bring in return. Where you go, oh, they traded this
Speaker 2: guy and they got a fifth round draft pick. Wow,
Speaker 2: well they gave up that guy. They got a fourth
Speaker 2: round draft pick in twenty twenty eight, Like you just
Speaker 2: a lot of it is take them. They cost too
Speaker 2: much money and we want something in return. And I
Speaker 2: think that's what happens a lot of times. DeVante Adams
Speaker 2: going to the Rams, I think is a great move.
Speaker 2: Great move Seattle. I don't know what they're doing, but
Speaker 2: I'll give that front office the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 2: They make good decisions. Do I want Gino Smith? No?
Speaker 2: But will I take him over the other quarterbacks that
Speaker 2: I have. Yes, he is an older quarterback, above average quarterback,
Speaker 2: but he gives us a little more stability. Are they
Speaker 2: still going to draft a quarterback? Are they going to
Speaker 2: draft Ashton Genty? That's what I was told over the weekend.
Speaker 2: And is this a Tom Brady call? Like? How much
Speaker 2: did Pete Carroll weigh in with Tom? I'm going to
Speaker 2: guess a lot to say, let's bring in Geno. I
Speaker 2: can bring out the best in him. And if you're Tom,
Speaker 2: you probably are going we got to find a franchise
Speaker 2: quarterback here like this, This is basically a two year
Speaker 2: situation for us and also the coaches that have to
Speaker 2: win now. Now. Pete Carroll, at his age, wants to
Speaker 2: win now. Now he's joining a team that's not very good.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he looks at this and says,
Speaker 2: let's develop a quarterback over the next couple of years.
Speaker 2: I mean, Pete is the oldest coach in the NFL.
Speaker 2: You also have the Giants situation. Do you want to
Speaker 2: bring in a rookie quarterback for a coaching staff that
Speaker 2: may not make it to the second half of the season.
Speaker 2: Do you want to bring in Aaron Rodgers, who does
Speaker 2: make you better, but only makes you better for a year,
Speaker 2: and that doesn't solve anything. I'd rather grow with this,
Speaker 2: and we might not be a competitive team. Maybe we
Speaker 2: have a good draft pick next year. Aaron Rodgers can
Speaker 2: come in and all of a sudden, it's, you know,
Speaker 2: like putting ear rings on a pig. All right, still
Speaker 2: a pig. That's the situation here with the Giants, the Jets,
Speaker 2: what are they doing? What's their quarterbacking situation? The Steelers.
Speaker 2: You start to look at these teams and you go, okay,
Speaker 2: there's only so many quarterbacks to go around here, you know.
Speaker 2: Do the Jets go well, I don't know. Let's take
Speaker 2: Justin Fields? Okay, what did the Giants do? You're going
Speaker 2: all in on cam Ward? Okay, good luck. What's Pittsburgh doing?
Speaker 2: You don't have a quarterback under contract? But he just
Speaker 2: brought in DK Metcalf Seattle Sam Donald? Like, what's plan
Speaker 2: B if you don't get Sam Darnald? What if the
Speaker 2: Colts say, you know what, we'd like to go after
Speaker 2: Sam Donald. We admit we made a mistake on Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 2: You got a team that can win and can win
Speaker 2: ten games? Now, do I think Sam Darnald is great? No?
Speaker 2: Do I think he played great? Yes? At times he did.
Speaker 2: The question would be what's he costing me? Sam Donald?
Speaker 2: Sixty million dollars? No, Sam Donald forty five million? Okay,
Speaker 2: I can have a conversation here. But he's still under thirty?
Speaker 2: Is he still twenty seven? He's been twenty seven for
Speaker 2: about four years? Yes, Marvin, Yeah, I think he turned
Speaker 2: twenty eight. Oh, it's always I think he turns twenty
Speaker 2: nine in July. But well, Sam Darnold, he's twenty seven? Oh?
Speaker 1: Is he?
Speaker 2: Is he gonna be twenty eight?
Speaker 1: Paul?
Speaker 3: Twenty eight in July. He's been twenty seven for eighteen months?
Speaker 2: How is it? That's unbelievable. Yeah. So you have these
Speaker 2: moves here and then all of a sudden it gets
Speaker 2: official here coming up at noon Eastern of who's going where?
Speaker 2: And then how's that set up for the draft? But
Speaker 2: yesterday was crazy the NFL over the weekend. Those are
Speaker 2: some big time moves. You got Josh Allen signing his
Speaker 2: contract extension. Metcalf goes to the Steeler, Tavante to the Rams,
Speaker 2: Miles Garrett staying, Gino Smith goes to the rate. That's wild.
Speaker 2: See you got a twenty four hour span where all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, they go, let's see if we dominated
Speaker 2: the headlines a little while. No, we haven't, Commissioner, all right,
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Speaker 2: So we got our poll question, we'll give you our
Speaker 2: pasting work. So the weekend, Lebron got injured and I'm
Speaker 2: playing against the Celtics and Paulie. When we came in today,
Speaker 2: Pauli goes, Lebron's injured groin is a good thing. I said, Okay,
Speaker 2: save it. I said, don't even tell me what you're
Speaker 2: thinking until the show, so I can react in real time.
Speaker 2: Here you go, Paulie, Lebron's groin injury is good for Lebron?
Speaker 2: Question Martin.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, this is the perfect timing for a guy like Lebron,
Speaker 5: who's forty, who plays a lot. He plays a lot
Speaker 5: in games, and he plays a lot of games. He's
Speaker 5: not a load management guy like his other guy are.
Speaker 5: He's gonna get a nice six game break here right
Speaker 5: before the playoffs. The other guys can get it together.
Speaker 5: No one's going to accuse him of sitting out. It's
Speaker 5: a real groin injury. I think he had like a
Speaker 5: spring knee or something the year of the bubble and
Speaker 5: he missed like six or seven games and April or
Speaker 5: late March.
Speaker 3: If he can get a week.
Speaker 5: And a half off, it's almost you know, I know,
Speaker 5: a groin injury can nag, but I think actually this
Speaker 5: is a benefit for the Lakers. Lebron gets a week
Speaker 5: off without any questions about why he's taking the week off.
Speaker 5: Luca could take over for a little bit, the other
Speaker 5: backup players can get a little more run. You go
Speaker 5: into the playoffs with at worst, probably the fourth seed.
Speaker 5: It's a good injury. Weirdly, can you take that take? Okay,
Speaker 5: you're not buying it. I love it, Well, I don't
Speaker 5: want it, but I like the byproduct of it.
Speaker 2: I guess the thing that would concern me is the
Speaker 2: type of injury that it is. Those things tend to stay.
Speaker 2: It's like a sprained ankle. They tend to stay, they
Speaker 2: linger a little bit. That'd be the only thing that
Speaker 2: if you said, hey, Lebron's going to get some rest here,
Speaker 2: how's this effect you're seating That's really important? But also
Speaker 2: getting on a roll with Luca and I know you
Speaker 2: don't want to peak too soon, and it felt like, boy,
Speaker 2: this team is now championship caliber, which I do think
Speaker 2: they are, but I think they are when they play defense.
Speaker 2: I know it's a caveat an asterisk, but I have
Speaker 2: to put that in there healthy playing defense and defense
Speaker 2: comes down to do you want to play defense? They
Speaker 2: are all athletes, great athletes. Do you want to play defense?
Speaker 2: Can JJ get them to play defense? And if he
Speaker 2: can with the firepower, then they're going to be a
Speaker 2: tough out. They can compete for a championship. But I
Speaker 2: think getting on that role, getting comfortable with the roles
Speaker 2: that you have, new roles that you have for some
Speaker 2: of these players. You know that to me can be
Speaker 2: that you know, we lost the opportunity when Lebron got hurt,
Speaker 2: that can we improve? What's our matchup going to be
Speaker 2: in the playoffs? Who fits us better than some of
Speaker 2: these other teams? You might have a dangerous team at
Speaker 2: seven or eight that you run into that you can avoid.
Speaker 11: Yes, Marvin, Yeah, I disagree completely. I think this is
Speaker 11: terrible for them because if they go into six games,
Speaker 11: they're easily in the playing There are only four games
Speaker 11: out of the playing tournament, so if Lebron's not there
Speaker 11: and they lose five out of six, they could be
Speaker 11: where the Timberwolves are. And so now they got to
Speaker 11: play in the playing just to get into the regular playoffs.
Speaker 11: So hopefully Luca and those guys can, you know, try
Speaker 11: to at least stay above above water.
Speaker 2: I like that, good take, bad take from the front row.
Speaker 6: Yes, Ton, That's what I was wondering too. Is that
Speaker 6: enough time that would throw up chemistry? I know he
Speaker 6: just got to the team recently, but a week or
Speaker 6: two could that it could become a problem for them
Speaker 6: and it will take a while for them to get
Speaker 6: back into the group to get a Lebron and.
Speaker 2: Luca, I don't know, they seemed to be doing pretty
Speaker 2: good job. You know. It came back to Lebron makes
Speaker 2: he makes this work. Luca is not changing who he is.
Speaker 2: Lebron can change who he is in accordance to what
Speaker 2: the team needs. But you got to play defense. The
Speaker 2: best performance over the weekend was Nikola Jokicic thirty one,
Speaker 2: twenty one, twenty two, and he did it on a
Speaker 2: Friday night to win against the Suns. And you know,
Speaker 2: he's not bothered by it. Van Pelt interviewed him and
Speaker 2: basically this never happened in the history of the NBA,
Speaker 2: and he's like, yeah, well, I'm just glad we won
Speaker 2: the first thirty twenty twenty in NBA history. With ten
Speaker 2: minutes to go in the third quarter, Joker had already
Speaker 2: recorded a triple double. From that point on, he had eighteen,
Speaker 2: eleven and twelve, so he had two triple doubles in
Speaker 2: the same game. He had a triple double in a
Speaker 2: quarter and a half.
Speaker 4: Stead of a day, start of a day, start of
Speaker 4: a day.
Speaker 9: Scout out a day.
Speaker 8: This is the stele of the day?
Speaker 2: Is that a double triple double?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Is that the term?
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know. But he had two triple
Speaker 2: doubles in the same game, so it's a double triple double.
Speaker 2: Is that what you get at Wendy's Oh ah, the
Speaker 2: double triple double?
Speaker 3: Please special Meal?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Marvin.
Speaker 3: And he's still not going to win mv No.
Speaker 2: He's not. He's not. SGA had forty, so he's had
Speaker 2: at least forty in three straight games, and uh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean he's going to win it. He's not the
Speaker 2: most Valuable Player. He's not the best player, but it's
Speaker 2: his time, his turn. That's it. Because you know, Jokers
Speaker 2: having a better year than he had in his previous
Speaker 2: MVP years and probably means more to his team than
Speaker 2: SGA does to Oklahoma City. But I've been around long
Speaker 2: enough to know that. You know, I saw Hi when
Speaker 2: Carl Malone won and when Charles Barkley won, and you
Speaker 2: could not convince me they were better than Michael Jordan,
Speaker 2: are more valuable, but it was their turn, it was
Speaker 2: their time, and that's SGA. And I do think that
Speaker 2: there's a ground swell with the analyst former players who
Speaker 2: won SGA to win for whatever reason. You know, Oklahoma
Speaker 2: City is having a great year. Well, has anybody brought
Speaker 2: up Donovan Mitchell is an MVP candidate? No, yeah, why not?
Speaker 11: Because he's probably averaging twenty two a game and SGA
Speaker 11: is averaging thirty thirty one. I think if Donovan Mitchell
Speaker 11: was the far and away leader, because they the Cavaliers
Speaker 11: seem like very equal, they seem like very balanced. They're
Speaker 11: a very balanced team. Where this guy's averaging twenty, this
Speaker 11: guy's averaging twenty one, this guy's averaging seventeen, So there's
Speaker 11: not just one standalone player on the Cavs.
Speaker 3: But we're talking about value.
Speaker 2: I know Donovan Mitchell, it's just because the Cavaliers don't
Speaker 2: get clicks. Nobody talks about him. Even now, it's like rudgingly.
Speaker 2: They've won fourteen in a row. You know what they've done.
Speaker 2: This start is historical. How many teams have had this
Speaker 2: winning percentage this deep into the season.
Speaker 11: Yes, Ma, they feel like the Hawks maybe about ten
Speaker 11: or twelve years ago when they won sixty games and
Speaker 11: they have four All Stars. I think I think Lebron
Speaker 11: just swept them out of the playoffs really fast after that.
Speaker 11: But they seem like a team that was very balanced,
Speaker 11: and they had a bunch of guys averaging around sixteen
Speaker 11: to eighteen, but no one took took their series. They
Speaker 11: did because they'd have a super duper star.
Speaker 5: Yes, Pom, Yeah, Donovan Mitchell was probably more famous in
Speaker 5: Utah when he's averaging twenty seven and he's about to
Speaker 5: be a free agent. Everybody wanted him. His career is
Speaker 5: as a team player is going way better. But he's
Speaker 5: down to twenty four points a game.
Speaker 3: For him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I haven't heard anybody. It's basically SGA, and
Speaker 2: then it'll be Joker, and then it'll be people way
Speaker 2: down the list there.
Speaker 11: Yes, Ma, it's this show that's keeping the calves.
Speaker 2: We're keeping them afloat.
Speaker 11: Yeah, we talk about them, Yes, and we talk about
Speaker 11: Polo benk in the Rockets, who talks more of random
Speaker 11: NBA than this is broadcast.
Speaker 2: That's because I watched the NBA.
Speaker 3: Well, you're a junkie.
Speaker 2: These other hostess they don't watch, they don't watch, they don't.
Speaker 2: I mean, you got big time guys on TV, or
Speaker 2: I've got guys on a roster that aren't even haven't
Speaker 2: been on the roster in a couple of years. You
Speaker 2: got to watch. But they you know, I'm here to
Speaker 2: cover the NBA, you know, instead of just saying, let's
Speaker 2: just cover the Lakers. Love the Lakers situation, but you
Speaker 2: try to be fair to the other stories.