Speaker 1: What's up everyone. I'm to make a d Mallory, one
Speaker 1: of your hosts of Street Politicians, and this over here,
Speaker 1: it's my son the General. Baby. I'm in the house,
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Speaker 1: as you can see you today today I'm feeling good man,
Speaker 1: you know I'm feeling good. Energies on point. I don't
Speaker 1: know how I find myself in these situations. Energy on point.
Speaker 1: Because we're out here man, number one, number one show.
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Speaker 1: So this is our show today is about Mercy. Mercy
Speaker 1: number one, Mercy about to be number one so in
Speaker 1: the world, Anthony Hamilton's Mercy. I'm really excited about being
Speaker 1: on Anthony Hamilton's album. You know, there's some people that
Speaker 1: you like, some people that you love, and some people
Speaker 1: that you love. If you really just you don't know
Speaker 1: what we're talking about. Tamika Mallory is featured on Anthony
Speaker 1: Hamilton's upcoming single Mercies. Yes, and I've been holding this
Speaker 1: one for a long time. And let me just go
Speaker 1: ahead and tell everyone that you did se of the
Speaker 1: writing line. It wasn't ghosting because ghost writing is supposed
Speaker 1: to me and you don't tell anybody, and you seem
Speaker 1: to just be and everybody, So it really wasn't goes
Speaker 1: at all. It was very very clear. No shout out
Speaker 1: to you for the way you delivered that, like when
Speaker 1: you hear how she delivered it. They they're loving it.
Speaker 1: The people are loving it. So I'm happy about that.
Speaker 1: But my thought of the day, because you know, I'll
Speaker 1: be thinking, because that's what I do. I think all
Speaker 1: the time. And I heard that um Joe Biden and
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris, the President and Vice president elect, met with
Speaker 1: a number of civil rights organizations that I uh love
Speaker 1: and and and believe in and support they have. They
Speaker 1: called themselves legacy organizations, and in fact, I worked for
Speaker 1: one for fourteen years. They met with the president electing
Speaker 1: and the vice president and in conversation it's been leaked.
Speaker 1: Now who leaked it. I don't know quote unquote leaked.
Speaker 1: It's been leaked. I know the individuals from the civil
Speaker 1: rights side who were in the meeting, and I know
Speaker 1: they're not the types of type of individuals to just
Speaker 1: go out leaking information because they're serious about what they're
Speaker 1: trying to get done. UM. And they went in and
Speaker 1: they talked about police reform and other issues. In fact,
Speaker 1: I thought that UM, listening to the tape that President
Speaker 1: Johnson of the inn double a CP, that some of
Speaker 1: his points were really really strong. But the leaked tapes
Speaker 1: show or allow us to hear that. Joe Biden kept saying,
Speaker 1: don't try to go after us and put too much
Speaker 1: pressure on us around police reform, UM, and even on
Speaker 1: gun control, we have to be careful. And he gave
Speaker 1: some some reasons. I'm not gonna say they're real good reasons,
Speaker 1: but reasons for why on gun control you can't make
Speaker 1: certain moves. However, on the issue of police reform, he said,
Speaker 1: you know, we're being pummeled on the issue of on
Speaker 1: the title defund police, which you know I think is trash,
Speaker 1: but you know, we'll we'll go back to that later.
Speaker 1: And he said, the fight around police reform, it's not
Speaker 1: a good thing for us to talk about right now.
Speaker 1: We need to hold on that. We're definitely gonna do
Speaker 1: some things. We're not gonna defund anyone. We're just going
Speaker 1: to um hold people accountable. And he goes into a
Speaker 1: whole thing, but he continuously says, this is not the
Speaker 1: time to have a big fight around police reform. Let's
Speaker 1: hold on that because we need to win the Georgia
Speaker 1: seats for the Senate seats in the runoff. And he says,
Speaker 1: and these people are hitting us hard on on defunding,
Speaker 1: and they they're saying we're the party that wants to
Speaker 1: defund police. Um. So he wants people to turn down
Speaker 1: in essence. So my thought of the day, what I
Speaker 1: was thinking about is why do people running for office?
Speaker 1: And in this case, I have to say, the Democrats
Speaker 1: want us to turn up during election season and then
Speaker 1: turned down when it comes to actually holding them accountable
Speaker 1: for the things that we asked for. I just don't
Speaker 1: understand can because it's clearly simple, right the Republicans have
Speaker 1: a party with a clear definition of who they are, right,
Speaker 1: and the Democratic Party is comprised of everybody else. So
Speaker 1: what it does is means that you need a little
Speaker 1: bit of these people, you need a little bit of
Speaker 1: those people. There's no clear agenda within the Democratic Party.
Speaker 1: So that's why they don't adhere or focus on one base,
Speaker 1: even though constantly it seems that the black people are
Speaker 1: the ones who are bailing them out. But they understand
Speaker 1: that when they get into office that they have to
Speaker 1: appeal to somebody else another. They understand, or they think,
Speaker 1: or they believe, they believe, But the thing is they
Speaker 1: have research to actually show this. You know why, because
Speaker 1: we have taken our eyes off the ball so many times. Right,
Speaker 1: So what happens is we go to the polls hard,
Speaker 1: boom bone, we vote you in, and then what happens
Speaker 1: is they say, you know, if you look at runoff election,
Speaker 1: they said, the numbers show that mostly white people go
Speaker 1: to the run off election. So we're completely like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we got the president, we did our job. We're going
Speaker 1: to sleep, we and doing. We got the people we want.
Speaker 1: We're good. They understand, and when they get into office,
Speaker 1: what they need to do is appeal to people that
Speaker 1: are gonna follow all the way through. So what we
Speaker 1: have to understand is the Democratic Party Northern Republican Party
Speaker 1: have our best interests in at hand. So what they're
Speaker 1: gonna do is try to figure out how to appease
Speaker 1: you and give you a little bit of So none
Speaker 1: of That's why I said, I've never voted for an ally.
Speaker 1: I'm voted for a better opponent. So what he's doing
Speaker 1: is saying, look, I want to be able to do this,
Speaker 1: but historically it shows that in order for me able
Speaker 1: to do anything, I have to appeal to these people.
Speaker 1: That's why they wanted Joe Biden because he's a moderate liberal.
Speaker 1: He's one of those people who can appeal to the
Speaker 1: conservatives and appeal to the Democratic Party, so to the
Speaker 1: no to the conservatives and the and the left, the left.
Speaker 1: So we understand this is what his strategy is. He's
Speaker 1: clear about his strategy. We were clear when when the
Speaker 1: Democratic Party got him in. They were clear what it
Speaker 1: was gonna take for him to be able to do that.
Speaker 1: But but but see, but that's my problem because then
Speaker 1: what they believe the actual research shows something different. Number One,
Speaker 1: when you think about people like Alexandria Acacia right, and
Speaker 1: she accassio and she has said it many times. She
Speaker 1: also believes in and carries the slogan defund police to
Speaker 1: the chess. Right. She's saying, we unseated people who are
Speaker 1: moderate Democrats, right or or moderate liberals whatever you know,
Speaker 1: because Kevin Kelly Loffler says they are what are they radicals? Whatever?
Speaker 1: Um you know? And so she she says, we unseated
Speaker 1: a number of establishment Dems, people who you know, they
Speaker 1: follow that rule that you were talking about, and we
Speaker 1: put people who are progressive, super duper progressive in office.
Speaker 1: Corey Bush is an example of that, someone who won
Speaker 1: on the platform of changing police, defunding police. She won
Speaker 1: her election um with that with using that same rhetoric
Speaker 1: in tone right, So no, I'm I'm saying, though, the
Speaker 1: research actually shows that because of the movement that hels
Speaker 1: the defund police, Uh, slow in right, and forget the
Speaker 1: damn slogan, because that's the ship that pisces me off.
Speaker 1: It's not about a slogan, it's about the actual plan.
Speaker 1: It's a plan. It is a plan. And because of
Speaker 1: people like you and me who say defunding the police
Speaker 1: and mean it. We were the ones that went out
Speaker 1: and got young voters to go with Joe Biden and others.
Speaker 1: We didn't do that under our organizational efforts, but when
Speaker 1: we did our personal work, we went out and we
Speaker 1: were able to to to move people to vote. First
Speaker 1: of all, because people were like, and I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: at my house, okay, But we got them to the
Speaker 1: polls and in many cases, um, we were able to
Speaker 1: get people to say, you know what, I'm actually going
Speaker 1: to go out and vote for Joe Biden because I
Speaker 1: think that that's the best choice at this time. We're
Speaker 1: folks talking about defunding the police. Twenty percent of the
Speaker 1: electorate in Georgia, of the electorate in Georgia that hel
Speaker 1: to flip the state from red to blue, were younger
Speaker 1: people who absolutely support the defunct police movement. So it
Speaker 1: is a lie. Not it's not even just wrong. You know,
Speaker 1: you can say something's wrong. Some things are. You know,
Speaker 1: it's a mistake, it's a lie say that. The real
Speaker 1: the truth of the matter is that folk are afraid
Speaker 1: to go up against the police unions, and many of
Speaker 1: them do not want to shake up the system. In fact,
Speaker 1: I have heard that Joe Biden is saying, rather than
Speaker 1: taking money away from police, he wants to pour more
Speaker 1: hundreds of millions. I think I heard something like three
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars into police and talking about training. We
Speaker 1: don't need no more damn training. What we need is
Speaker 1: to be able to model exactly that takes money from
Speaker 1: one place and and really uh and and and reallocates resources.
Speaker 1: And so I said a million times, you could call
Speaker 1: it pen the tail on the donkey. Just do it.
Speaker 1: That's the bottom line. And you know, I think the
Speaker 1: reason why it's so difficult is because he doesn't share
Speaker 1: the same values, and that's why he is a moderate.
Speaker 1: I only want to figure out what these titles. I
Speaker 1: think you're right exactly, and I don't know this because
Speaker 1: he does not share the same values that we shared.
Speaker 1: And they know he's right in the middle on the
Speaker 1: cusp of everything. So he's not gonna be all the
Speaker 1: way with us, just like he's not all with them.
Speaker 1: So we got what we got and we're just gonna
Speaker 1: keep righting. So what are the streets talking about? Are
Speaker 1: talking about the vaccine? The vaccine that I'm not gonna take.
Speaker 1: I've seen on my page while ago um artists that
Speaker 1: I love, Lupe Fiasco, he wrote and Crazy Together. I
Speaker 1: said that he's so glad that they approved the fights
Speaker 1: of vaccine and that you can't even come to his
Speaker 1: show unless you take the vaccine. M hm, yeah, well
Speaker 1: I won't be gone. It's not that. And I didn't
Speaker 1: believe he said it at first, you know, and then
Speaker 1: I got some wouldn't research and people d M he
Speaker 1: said it. You know a lot of people have conversations
Speaker 1: with him and and and this is just you know
Speaker 1: what it's like for me. It's like when you start
Speaker 1: really doing research right on vaccines, you realize that there's
Speaker 1: a percentage of people who die from vaccines. You know,
Speaker 1: there's a who have allergic reactions. Their bodies don't agree
Speaker 1: with it, you know. So my thing is, if the
Speaker 1: vaccine it's worth worse than the actual sickness, That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'm gonna take my chance for the signess. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna build up my immune system problem, some seed oils, exercise,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna do the things necessary to be healthy.
Speaker 1: Like why is nobody I hear about this vaccine? The
Speaker 1: vaccine to be here in the world, I have not
Speaker 1: seen any major platform, any major social media media anything
Speaker 1: focusing on how do we make ourselves healthy enough to
Speaker 1: build up our immune systems to make sure that we're
Speaker 1: strong enough too. But they definitely don't want you to
Speaker 1: do that when they're shoving burgers down your throat and
Speaker 1: all types of bad foods for your body, and kids
Speaker 1: can't get sleep, and they you know, they promote cereal
Speaker 1: all day and all of these things that are actually
Speaker 1: trashed for your body, the stuff I love to eat.
Speaker 1: So you know, I agree with you the vitamin piece
Speaker 1: is important, but I also think it's it's it's it's
Speaker 1: necessary for us to be responsible in the ways in
Speaker 1: which we approach these things. Yes, you and me, we
Speaker 1: probably don't need it, right and okay, so I'm just
Speaker 1: saying I don't. I don't think we need it. I
Speaker 1: know that I'm not going to run to take anybody vaccine.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do that. Um. And that's and this
Speaker 1: is something that my family specifically has been saying even before.
Speaker 1: So prior to coronavirus or to COVID nineteen, my family
Speaker 1: was not into taking vaccines and flu shots and all
Speaker 1: of that. We've never ever done that and we were okay,
Speaker 1: we are, we are right. But there are elderly people
Speaker 1: who are locked in their homes who cannot go outside
Speaker 1: and taking you know, uh, what do you call it
Speaker 1: sea moss and all of that stuff. It may or
Speaker 1: may not be good for them in reaction to their
Speaker 1: medication and other things. We don't know. But whatine, but well,
Speaker 1: I think it has a little bit of the disease,
Speaker 1: right or the virus. I think I don't know all
Speaker 1: of the things. And we should definitely get somebody to
Speaker 1: come on and talk to us and help us understand
Speaker 1: this vaccine. So a two hour crew, we definitely need
Speaker 1: to do a show when we break down what's in
Speaker 1: this vaccine because our people want to know more. A
Speaker 1: lot of people have questions. Remember the driver the other
Speaker 1: day said to us, I want to know the ingredients, right,
Speaker 1: and so I think that's important. But I'm but I'm
Speaker 1: going back to an important point. There are elderly people.
Speaker 1: There are people who have pre existing conditions who are
Speaker 1: locked in their homes. They can't go out. They're scared
Speaker 1: to death that if they get sick they can die.
Speaker 1: We know three hundred thousand people, whether or not they
Speaker 1: died because it was COVID specifically, I can't say, but
Speaker 1: the complications and or the incompetence of our health care
Speaker 1: system killed three hundred thousand people during this at this
Speaker 1: time period, with where COVID has become a thing, this
Speaker 1: pandemic is happening. And so what what worries me and
Speaker 1: I don't know what we do about it, is what
Speaker 1: do people who need it? What do they do? You know,
Speaker 1: because everybody can't take the position. Everybody is not strong
Speaker 1: and you know, and and pretty healthy and living well
Speaker 1: and working out and whatnot like you and me and
Speaker 1: I work out, but you do some people actually need
Speaker 1: this vaccine. And with all vaccines, with all vaccines, there
Speaker 1: are a percentage of people who will get sick. That's
Speaker 1: just the way it is. That's with every single one
Speaker 1: of them. And there's gonna be some trial and error,
Speaker 1: but you got to do something. The country can't just
Speaker 1: stay as it is now and we can't lose another
Speaker 1: million people. Well, I just or not that we lost
Speaker 1: a million. I think if we just I just think
Speaker 1: if we look at the percentages or people who can
Speaker 1: die from a vaccine based on the percentage of people
Speaker 1: who have died from the actual sickness, and we look
Speaker 1: at it in comparison. I don't think. I don't. I
Speaker 1: would love to hear those numbers, and we could talk
Speaker 1: about it again. On another said, let's focus on those
Speaker 1: people who are directly impacted, who are most likely you know,
Speaker 1: but that, but but that's not that's not exactly. And
Speaker 1: again I want to be careful because I'm not. I
Speaker 1: don't know for sure, but I don't believe that that's
Speaker 1: how vaccines work. Vaccines do not work by giving it
Speaker 1: to a small group of people in a population, because
Speaker 1: therefore you can't you have to be able to stop
Speaker 1: or bring down, reduce the entire populations, give a vaccine
Speaker 1: to people who are really not at real because it's
Speaker 1: not about one of us, it's about all of us.
Speaker 1: It's each one, it's each one protect the other. But anyway, listen,
Speaker 1: you got it. Whatever, vaccines, whatever, that's just the end
Speaker 1: of it. Okay, Well listen, our next guest. Next, it's
Speaker 1: somebody who we just I'm so excited to have him. Mercy, mercy, mercy,
Speaker 1: just a little mercy, mercy. We haven't been through so much.
Speaker 1: Another show. Every day I write down show topics, like
Speaker 1: does mercy mean women are supposed to shut up and
Speaker 1: don't say anything. But anyway, so whole another show. We're
Speaker 1: gonna come back to that. Oh lord, listen before we
Speaker 1: go to the next segment and have our special guests joint,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a quick break for our sponsors. We
Speaker 1: have none other than the legendary, the infamous, the iconic.
Speaker 1: Anthony Hamilton's joining us today, the great Hey, what's up people?
Speaker 1: How you doing? What's happening? King? How are you doing it?
Speaker 1: I'm good man, It's good to be on here. What
Speaker 1: you got so good to have you join the street politicians.
Speaker 1: You know, this is our new show, our new podcast
Speaker 1: on the Black Effect Network, which is Charlemagne's new baby.
Speaker 1: You know, he came to us and said, I want
Speaker 1: you all to join my podcast network where we could
Speaker 1: be blackly black black, black, black and black. We're in
Speaker 1: anything black and black, Andy black, black, black, Andy black. Definitely,
Speaker 1: that's how we own it, man, So thank you for
Speaker 1: joining us. Man, Like you know, we've both been big
Speaker 1: fans of yours forever. You know, so when Tamika got
Speaker 1: an opportunity to work with you, and then she reached
Speaker 1: out for my expertise. You know what I'm saying. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I gotta get my partner. You know,
Speaker 1: she reached something. You know. She called me like, yo,
Speaker 1: Anthony Hamilton wants me to get on this song. I
Speaker 1: need some words, you know. So I'm like, let me
Speaker 1: just calm down, you know, let me see, let me
Speaker 1: see what I can put together. Supposed to hold you down.
Speaker 1: You did because you added the spice. You added only
Speaker 1: the things that Tamika Mallory can put you know, that energy.
Speaker 1: You added just little pieces of things because I wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna say certain things that you was gonna say from
Speaker 1: a woman's perspective. But it was magic. Man, when I
Speaker 1: heard when I first heard the beat and I heard
Speaker 1: the way you had attacked it, it was like, now
Speaker 1: this song right here is gonna do something special special.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank you for you know, allowing her to
Speaker 1: allow me to be a part of something that's gonna
Speaker 1: be part of his Thank you for thank you for
Speaker 1: being a co writer my sid and and and and
Speaker 1: putting that thing, you know, putting it where it needed
Speaker 1: to be, and allowing her to to to have whatever
Speaker 1: it needed to set the song up. Man, it's incredible
Speaker 1: piece that is about mercy. Tell us about it. Well,
Speaker 1: mercy is a song um and and it's it's the
Speaker 1: voice of a man um. It stands vulnerable and and
Speaker 1: and in his walk and in in his struggles and
Speaker 1: not not not weak at all, not a weak man
Speaker 1: at all, but a man who's who's not afraid to
Speaker 1: be vulnerable. And Um, I think a lot of times
Speaker 1: man I looked at as seamen still and that we
Speaker 1: don't feel anything other than then then that UM preach.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, we we we cried, we we we worried,
Speaker 1: we love um, we get afraid. And so it's it's
Speaker 1: speaking from that from that perspective as as a man um,
Speaker 1: you know, allowing people to see like, hey, you may
Speaker 1: judge me, you may not understand why I haven't written
Speaker 1: to the occasion that you UM see fit for me,
Speaker 1: but they're they're bumps and bruises along the way. Have
Speaker 1: a little mercy for me and uh, just know that
Speaker 1: I'm doing my best, and you know, just love on
Speaker 1: me and don't ridicule me. I think the whole world
Speaker 1: takes a stab at the black man um and have
Speaker 1: for for for years and years. Amen. Yeah, we we
Speaker 1: do get a lot of the brunt of the you know,
Speaker 1: the the stabbings, and and sometimes I call us out,
Speaker 1: like we have to call ourselves out when we don't
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, When we don't live up
Speaker 1: to potential, don't do things that we're supposed to do.
Speaker 1: But we also need a little bit of mercy at times. Man,
Speaker 1: because we were carrying a heavy load. Man, So this
Speaker 1: is all right here, spoke spoke to me on a
Speaker 1: different level man, for real. Yeah, I mean I think that, um,
Speaker 1: you know, as the mother of a young black boy,
Speaker 1: he's not a boy anymore. Actually, he's a grown man.
Speaker 1: He's twenty one, he'll be twenty two years old soon.
Speaker 1: You know. I have my black father and uncles who
Speaker 1: are very much so in my life. And uh, two
Speaker 1: of the co founders of our organization until Freedom being
Speaker 1: my son and Attorney Angelo Pinto are all are black men.
Speaker 1: In my entire life, I've worked for and with black men,
Speaker 1: and so I have a special place in my heart
Speaker 1: for my brothers because I see the pain, I see
Speaker 1: the trauma, and I also see the intentional as far
Speaker 1: as I'm concerned, misrepresentation of who you are really are,
Speaker 1: and so and asked to UM, put my beautiful voice
Speaker 1: and you know, my my excellence. UM. You know, on
Speaker 1: this song, I wanted to say something that speaks to
Speaker 1: especially this idea that we're not enemies. You know, we're
Speaker 1: not enemies, that the black woman and the black man
Speaker 1: can't be enemies. And just because we challenge one another
Speaker 1: does not mean that we hate one another, and that
Speaker 1: there's no room for us to grow and be together.
Speaker 1: I think actually the family cannot be strong without us
Speaker 1: being together. Yeah. Yeah, because that's a disconnection. And when
Speaker 1: there's a disconnect, you're subject to any attack and to
Speaker 1: be weakened. UM. In that in that type of environment. UM,
Speaker 1: A lot of times they try to portray that we're enemies,
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of people bite bight debate
Speaker 1: and it's created in some black women just super independence
Speaker 1: that they may not need a man, may not need
Speaker 1: a black man, uh, and that that's not true. I
Speaker 1: think every every woman needs a man who could feel
Speaker 1: her soul and feel who she is and what she represents,
Speaker 1: to be able to to express to her his appreciation
Speaker 1: for for UM, I don't think someone outside about race
Speaker 1: could really truly do that. I mean, you can love someone,
Speaker 1: but I think when we love together, we love each
Speaker 1: other together, there's a whole different vibration and I think
Speaker 1: that's a whole different power in that. And some people
Speaker 1: don't want to see that connection because they know how
Speaker 1: powerful it is. That's right, It's definitely. It's definitely an
Speaker 1: attack on the connection and a real um intentional, very
Speaker 1: intentional thing to divide us, you know. So so this
Speaker 1: this song really played a big p to I see
Speaker 1: you be doing these conversations about the black men's perspective,
Speaker 1: you know, so what is what is that about? Well,
Speaker 1: we just had a panel speaking on things from the
Speaker 1: black man's perspective, Jamaine dupri Ed, Gordon Cary Sellers, and
Speaker 1: Williem Moore Jr. Myself. We got together and spoke on
Speaker 1: how how things affect black men in this climate and
Speaker 1: how moving forward, you know, we should intentionally UM strategize
Speaker 1: how to to keep the black man in a in
Speaker 1: a in a safe environment UM not only just physically,
Speaker 1: but mentally and financially, and just how how we can
Speaker 1: grow ourselves as men and come together. So I think
Speaker 1: I think it's something that's needed um and hopefully we'll
Speaker 1: keep continuing to do that. Well, please let me be
Speaker 1: involved with the next one, man, because I have a
Speaker 1: lot of inputs. Yeah, I got some stuff to say,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, Because listen, man,
Speaker 1: you you've you've made yourself a staple when it comes
Speaker 1: to being that musical voice when it talks about the
Speaker 1: struggles of black people, and when this talks about that soul,
Speaker 1: that the black man soul. Like every time there's a
Speaker 1: song that embodies what our struggles are, what the soul
Speaker 1: of a black man is, you you immediately think about
Speaker 1: Anthony Hamilton. You know, you you've made yourself a staple
Speaker 1: in the iconic position. You know, every time I hear
Speaker 1: you on one of those songs, or every time I
Speaker 1: hear songs, sometimes I'd be like, Dad, the only thing
Speaker 1: was missing was Anthony Hamilton on this trip. Sometimes sometimes
Speaker 1: sometimes you do you gotta do it. Sometimes you know,
Speaker 1: you just have to. It's that, it's that down home man,
Speaker 1: it's been it's been invested in me from before the
Speaker 1: womb man, just that church and that down home southern upbringing.
Speaker 1: And I saw a man who really worked with their
Speaker 1: hands and really made things happen. And uh, I saw
Speaker 1: women who were there to to nurture that man and
Speaker 1: all that. You know, play the parton in the texture
Speaker 1: of my voice, in my spirit and being a Southern
Speaker 1: Southern Baptist, Um, you know, it gave me even more texture, um,
Speaker 1: and didnt seeing the world and seeing how how things
Speaker 1: really work, getting outside of the house and seeing how
Speaker 1: things work around the world. You know, you're creating in
Speaker 1: you a new man, um. And Uh, I'm just excited
Speaker 1: to be doing what I'm doing and being a voice
Speaker 1: that could be heard in this light. So so this
Speaker 1: is a part of your new album. Mercy is a
Speaker 1: song on your new album that you're probably done with
Speaker 1: but you'll say you're still working on that will be
Speaker 1: released soon, you know, before you talk about the album.
Speaker 1: Just the other day, when I received my advanced copy
Speaker 1: of my beautiful, amazing sound on your song Mercy, um,
Speaker 1: and I played it at our home in Georgia where
Speaker 1: we're knocking on doors and getting out the votes for
Speaker 1: the George just sent it raise the runoff and that's right,
Speaker 1: vote vote, vote, vote vote, you know what it is.
Speaker 1: And you know, after the song went off, we said, Alexa,
Speaker 1: play some Anthony Hamilton's and you went on and on
Speaker 1: and on for hours without a repeat song. Um, because
Speaker 1: of all of the tracks that you have. How many
Speaker 1: albums do you have at this point? I know you
Speaker 1: have Grammys. I mean you like the man, So tell
Speaker 1: us how much of the man you are? Why talk
Speaker 1: about the album? Man, I ain't hitting on nothing. You know,
Speaker 1: ten albums and working on another one amazing Christmas album
Speaker 1: called Home for the Holidays. Um, yeah, ten ten albums
Speaker 1: and and and still have music that's laying around that
Speaker 1: has you know, hadn't been quick and I didn't even
Speaker 1: count because the features that you you you probably got
Speaker 1: about ten albums were the features. Man, I've been on
Speaker 1: at least over forty forty or sold rap records, man,
Speaker 1: going back to Helter Skelter, coming all the way back
Speaker 1: to Rick Ross and you know, and I get called
Speaker 1: from Drake and people like that who want to be
Speaker 1: a part of that. So, you know, just just being
Speaker 1: able to um, to be appreciated for who I am
Speaker 1: and what I'm supposed to represent me and you're on album.
Speaker 1: You know. I was like, I saw this kid online,
Speaker 1: you know how I g have it on the explore
Speaker 1: pay I was like, who is this cat? Was going
Speaker 1: to get it. You didn't even take a breath. About
Speaker 1: thirty minutes was spitting fire. That's why we're gonna now.
Speaker 1: Once I get to Anthony Hamilton's on the chorus, we
Speaker 1: out of here, baby, I got one. It's called loaded
Speaker 1: and cocked back here. That's right. And you know when
Speaker 1: I see my son in the studio, and then you know,
Speaker 1: we were in this studio with you, and I got
Speaker 1: to see your work ethic and how you can actually
Speaker 1: help somebody like me who's not an artist at all.
Speaker 1: I'm a total novelist, but you were able to help
Speaker 1: me be comfortable to get into it. So I'm sure
Speaker 1: there's a lot of other artists who have benefited from
Speaker 1: your expertise and just you know what you know, because
Speaker 1: you really do have something special. You know. I've been
Speaker 1: at it a long time. I got my first record
Speaker 1: deal in ninety three. I signed the Uptown n c
Speaker 1: A with Andre Horrell, Jimmy Jenkins, um Uh, Tim Dogg,
Speaker 1: Puff Daddy and all those guys, and uh yeah, man,
Speaker 1: he was one of the mentors I've known for a
Speaker 1: long time, and the Russell Simmons. So I learned a
Speaker 1: lot um from from amazing being around amazing people. It's
Speaker 1: just about making people feel comfortable. I think when you're
Speaker 1: at your most comfortable place, you're you know, you're more
Speaker 1: you know, you're more comfortable to let more of who
Speaker 1: you are be shown. Yeah, I think that hinders when
Speaker 1: you don't have that, it hinders you your ability to
Speaker 1: sing um in a in a place that that's not
Speaker 1: hindered by fear or you know, ridicule. And you know,
Speaker 1: my job is to make you feel comfortable being your
Speaker 1: best you. And uh, if there's something you need, then
Speaker 1: I'm there. But if it's something you already have, then
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make you aware that you have it. That
Speaker 1: dope man. And when you talk about your history, I
Speaker 1: was having a conversation with I'll be sure and he
Speaker 1: was telling me how you worked with him, and I
Speaker 1: was like, wow, I'm like any been around a long time.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you know, A little water, a little wine,
Speaker 1: a little your skin, North Carolina son. You know. I
Speaker 1: try to eat good man, It's so important what I
Speaker 1: put in my body and try to keep a good
Speaker 1: balance and a little smile a lot. I like to
Speaker 1: I like to make people happy. Um, you know, my
Speaker 1: kids are very important. My six sons. You know, they
Speaker 1: keep me, keep me feeling youthful and alive, and you know,
Speaker 1: just being an example for them. I don't want to
Speaker 1: be just dead beat, miserable spirit man who they know
Speaker 1: to be their father. I want to be something exciting
Speaker 1: to speak about and for them to have a great
Speaker 1: experience with the father really cares and it matters the
Speaker 1: energy that I that I carry around. So I have
Speaker 1: to ask him because you always asking everybody are they married?
Speaker 1: So I need to know are you married, Anthony? No.
Speaker 1: I was married for ten years to an amazing woman.
Speaker 1: We had my younger three boys, my twins or a
Speaker 1: ten and my eight year old. And uh, yeah that's
Speaker 1: a good woman. Yes, she was a great woman man,
Speaker 1: and uh I learned a lot. Um. You know, I'll
Speaker 1: get married again. Okay, so you're looking. I'm not afraid
Speaker 1: of love. Yeah I'm not. Yeah, I'm pretty. I'm pretty open.
Speaker 1: I'm not afraid of love. Um, but I'll be a
Speaker 1: better husband the next time. I think. Uh, maybe I
Speaker 1: just wasn't quite ready, deep deep inside, but I wanted to.
Speaker 1: I wanted to do what was decent and what was
Speaker 1: what I felt like was the respectful thing and make
Speaker 1: a make an honest woman. Um but now I've learned,
Speaker 1: you know so, so now you're ready. So now everybody
Speaker 1: run and all the way really really readly ready to
Speaker 1: get married. You're ready to start start to get married
Speaker 1: yet but on your way? Yeah? Yeah, if it happened,
Speaker 1: if it's something that that I can't deny, like okay,
Speaker 1: this feels different, then I'm not afraid of it. I
Speaker 1: just want everyone. I just don't have enough. Ye don't.
Speaker 1: Hambleton's d m s are open, so don't come in there.
Speaker 1: Don't slide in with no mess. Man, they're coming then
Speaker 1: you know they come with some mess. Anthony, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: have a Yeah, I ain't want to build the bears
Speaker 1: and now I don't care what you look like, what
Speaker 1: your body looked like. I ain't building no more baths,
Speaker 1: but no outfits or not. Can't do it for yourself,
Speaker 1: I ain't doing it. You should want me to do
Speaker 1: it for you. If you can't do it for yourself,
Speaker 1: don't ask me to do so. You're telling me you're
Speaker 1: not looking for the booty picture where they turned the
Speaker 1: booty towards them. I mean, it's nice to look at
Speaker 1: on Instagram right now and again moving You know, even
Speaker 1: if they bought it, it's cool job have a job
Speaker 1: with it should be a resumet exactly. You know, you
Speaker 1: wanted to what you wanted to. You know, I tell
Speaker 1: people all the time, being in this industry and around
Speaker 1: this industry for so many years, a lot of these
Speaker 1: artists are not the person that they put on the music.
Speaker 1: You know, you meet that you hear the music and
Speaker 1: you'd be like, you'd be disappointing when you actually meet
Speaker 1: the person. And to my I wasn't. I wasn't shocked.
Speaker 1: But when met you, you you was exactly the person that
Speaker 1: I figured. But listen to your music. Man, you you're
Speaker 1: a good, humble person. You have a good time, you laugh.
Speaker 1: You actually a comedian. I didn't even know you made.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, you probably get a real comedian,
Speaker 1: you know. So the energy that you give off is
Speaker 1: the same exact energy that's in your music. So I
Speaker 1: just want to say I appreciate that. Man. You may
Speaker 1: like feel so comfortable in your hometown and you know
Speaker 1: in the in the studio, like she said, how you
Speaker 1: just embraced her and made her feel comfortable and you
Speaker 1: just because I yelled at by this one over here
Speaker 1: telling me you could do better. You see, I gotta
Speaker 1: give her a different brother since and you gotta be
Speaker 1: a little because I know what she do. She'll get
Speaker 1: around and she was like, I can't do this, and
Speaker 1: she always want to. She is one of the most
Speaker 1: I can't do it, but can do everything in the world. Person. Yea,
Speaker 1: I saw that. I saw that too. I was like, uh,
Speaker 1: yes you can. Yeah. I'm is like I'm gonna go home.
Speaker 1: But I couldn't but tell us about the album. The album,
Speaker 1: you know, I have some features on this. When I
Speaker 1: just did a song with with John Legend, I Love
Speaker 1: You featuring John Legend, actually written by John and produced
Speaker 1: by him. Um, I reached out to him. I wanted to.
Speaker 1: I felt like my fans and his fans would could
Speaker 1: could really enjoy that kind of collaboration. I have one
Speaker 1: Rick Ross um Man Keisha Cole on the same song
Speaker 1: those two. It's a throwback to Mary's like a four
Speaker 1: World one type of vibe D smoke. Um you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, Todd, Todd Dollar, um who else? This album
Speaker 1: is a it's one that it's a it's a journey
Speaker 1: man it's a journey for for us now. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: it takes takes you through the pain of what we
Speaker 1: just went through and the uncomfortable face we were just
Speaker 1: uh placed in. But but it allows you to travel
Speaker 1: through that and see that things are gonna be okay.
Speaker 1: And it's knocking too. It beats are knocking, songs are strong,
Speaker 1: and the music is very powerful. Um, but you're proud
Speaker 1: of it. You're like, this is one of those and
Speaker 1: it's like a more matoy. Anthony Hamilton's right. You know,
Speaker 1: as we grow. I find myself sometimes when I speak
Speaker 1: now or when I participate in certain program and I
Speaker 1: can see the growth and you know, it was good
Speaker 1: five years ago, but it's great now and we still
Speaker 1: have so much more to come. The thing got a
Speaker 1: marination on it. Yeah. Yeah, you consistent man. That's one
Speaker 1: thing we could say throughout your career. There's a level
Speaker 1: of excellence in a in a level of consistency that
Speaker 1: that gives you the iconic status. I ain't just saying
Speaker 1: it because we're cool and I met you that you're
Speaker 1: definitely an icon and a legend this game. So we're
Speaker 1: gonna make sure you get these roses right now. Continue
Speaker 1: with that greatness, man, Continue album our album that we do.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be even greater than everything, man, because the greatest,
Speaker 1: because the greatest MC ever ever, ever is gonna be
Speaker 1: on it when you put this thing we got together, man.
Speaker 1: Scribe you know it's gonna be. It's gonna be sub
Speaker 1: scrub on your on your way out, on your way out.
Speaker 1: I know that the Black Lives Matter movement is really
Speaker 1: important to you. I remember, you know, but that prior
Speaker 1: to a viral speech and all of that that I've had,
Speaker 1: you were following me already on social media because you would,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe write a comment every now and then
Speaker 1: or like a picture, and I was always just like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I cannot believe Anthony Hamilton is one
Speaker 1: of my followers. And that's when I had like two
Speaker 1: hundred thousand now over a million people are there. But
Speaker 1: I remember too, I remember every one of two hundred
Speaker 1: thousand people that was with you know, before, before before
Speaker 1: the viral speeches and all of that. And I know
Speaker 1: you were there because you were looking for content about
Speaker 1: you know, what's happening in the movement. So let's hear
Speaker 1: a little bit about how you're feeling in this moment
Speaker 1: after we've been able to get a new president elected.
Speaker 1: I don't know how we're gonna get him in the
Speaker 1: White House, but hopefully he'll get in there. What do
Speaker 1: you want to see happen? You know? I just want
Speaker 1: to see people really um acknowledge, people to really acknowledge um,
Speaker 1: you know, their pardon and keeping us down and and
Speaker 1: and come into grips with you know, that was the past,
Speaker 1: and it matters still. But how are we going to
Speaker 1: go forward and really go forward um in a way
Speaker 1: that benefits us as as people? And uh the unjust
Speaker 1: and the unfair um treatment that we get, how how
Speaker 1: do we prevent that from happening? How do we prevent
Speaker 1: cops from killing us and not making time? How how
Speaker 1: do we get to a place where we're not we
Speaker 1: don't just have civil rights, but human rights and things
Speaker 1: that really um protect us as people. I want to
Speaker 1: see that. I want to see black people being able
Speaker 1: to you know, to have big corporations, um, to to
Speaker 1: own stuff and have land and to just you know
Speaker 1: be self sufficient um. And and just a brighter America,
Speaker 1: a more loving America, a country that really stands for
Speaker 1: you know, all the lives they talked, um, I want
Speaker 1: to see them. I want to see them, you know,
Speaker 1: step up to the plate and uh and and and
Speaker 1: put things in place in this proper place. Well listen,
Speaker 1: you know we could sit here and talk to you
Speaker 1: to do so. We want to say thank you. And
Speaker 1: a lot of artists always actually what can I do?
Speaker 1: You know? How do I help open the movement? If
Speaker 1: you look at Anthony Hamilton's in the way that he
Speaker 1: carries himself and the way he utilizes his platform, his music,
Speaker 1: his voice is influence to always engaged, to always find
Speaker 1: an intersection. This is how you, This is how you.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, and thank you for thank you
Speaker 1: all and thank you all for same to you and
Speaker 1: for all you guys are doing and put your life
Speaker 1: on the line and everything it matters man, And we
Speaker 1: pray for you guys and cover you and uh, continued
Speaker 1: success and you know we're gonna, We're gonna we got
Speaker 1: You'll see you. I'll see you at the Grammy's next year.
Speaker 1: From Mercy's Going to to the Top, I'll see you
Speaker 1: from my album. We're working on the baby already, I
Speaker 1: guess already. Red Let's get it, Anthony Hamilton's single he's single,
Speaker 1: man alone, ain't nobody can deal with your attitude? Are
Speaker 1: you serious that man ain't gonna be to deal with attitude?
Speaker 1: Are you really seriously saying that to me? I am
Speaker 1: your sister and one of the dopest women. You don't know, dope,
Speaker 1: But what does that have? What are you talking about?
Speaker 1: He's a real man, see a real man, a real woman. Me.
Speaker 1: That's the thing that's the problem. Okay, that's the problem
Speaker 1: right there, That's what it is. Yeah, right, so that's
Speaker 1: the issue. Get real, you know, will the real men
Speaker 1: please stand out? Well, listen, I'm going to stand up
Speaker 1: a man crazy and I and I have an attitude.
Speaker 1: You basically said in so many words that Anthony Hamilton
Speaker 1: wouldn't date me because I was a bit. But that's cool.
Speaker 1: Listen the truth I set you free, you know. And
Speaker 1: you said a man stand up, So I stand up.
Speaker 1: But what I don't understand. And I also just don't
Speaker 1: get it, as I always say, you don't get it.
Speaker 1: I just don't get it. What would compel someone to
Speaker 1: be a black Republican? But to me, how do you
Speaker 1: be a part of a party? Were you not even
Speaker 1: one persentative representation? Well, sometimes you say, when I start
Speaker 1: thinking about I didn't even one percent at this point,
Speaker 1: because if you're thinking about all of them, just thinking
Speaker 1: about it depends on when you say representation. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about elected OFFICI that's what the representation, if you representation
Speaker 1: is not the people who vote in the party, is
Speaker 1: the people who represent the party. When you look at
Speaker 1: the faces of the party, we represent black people represented
Speaker 1: about one percent. So how do you as a black man,
Speaker 1: black woman, so you know what, I'm going to vote
Speaker 1: with the Republican Party because how do you do see that? Listen,
Speaker 1: we just had this conversation on another one of our episodes,
Speaker 1: and we talked about all the time that um representation
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily mean skin color. But okay, even if it
Speaker 1: doesn't mean skin color. So if you understand that there's
Speaker 1: nobody in a party right that comes from where you
Speaker 1: come from. And I've had the same struggle you had,
Speaker 1: have dealt with the same adversity you've had to deal with,
Speaker 1: how do you think that they can properly represent you? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean I think that, first of all, I don't
Speaker 1: I don't get it either. Advocate here. No, it's not
Speaker 1: that it's not just devil's advocate is also being unable
Speaker 1: to understand different perspectives. I know, people like choices. They
Speaker 1: don't like to feel like they're being shuttled into one
Speaker 1: direction where they also don't see how that particular avenue
Speaker 1: is benefiting whatever it is they care about. Right, So,
Speaker 1: you know, there's so many people who look at the
Speaker 1: Democrats and say this is trash, and guess what, A
Speaker 1: lot of times I feel like the Democratic Party is
Speaker 1: trash as well. So I kind of get that some
Speaker 1: people want options. I think sometimes there's a level of
Speaker 1: rebellion that folks are just when they want to shake
Speaker 1: it up, they want to do something different. But I
Speaker 1: also think that there is a sense of I don't
Speaker 1: think everybody who votes Republican or who is a part
Speaker 1: of the Republican Party has experienced what we've experienced, because
Speaker 1: when I take time to get to know some of
Speaker 1: these individuals, and I have a few friends, not as
Speaker 1: many as I did. Before Donald Trump was elected, I
Speaker 1: had many more Republican friends at that time. Now that
Speaker 1: he has been in office, most of my friends who
Speaker 1: were Republicans have changed parties because they just can't, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously morally they could not continue to support
Speaker 1: um uh that party. However, those individuals, almost none of them,
Speaker 1: I would say ninety eight percent of them in a
Speaker 1: half are people who don't have the same stories that
Speaker 1: you and I have. They don't come from the hood.
Speaker 1: They haven't experienced the projects and walk stepping over the
Speaker 1: urine and a drug addiction and um, you know, all
Speaker 1: all of this, the poverty and trauma that we've experienced.
Speaker 1: A lot of them come from money or they you know,
Speaker 1: they come from an affluent neighborhood, an affluent situation, and
Speaker 1: therefore they don't see themselves being They don't they don't
Speaker 1: see that there's no representation because the schools that they
Speaker 1: went to, everybody, all the teachers, the administration, basically white people,
Speaker 1: right or you know, non black people. Um, their parents,
Speaker 1: friends are people who are not of color, many of
Speaker 1: them white. So I think sometimes it's a it's a
Speaker 1: it's a it's a mindset that we're just going with
Speaker 1: what we always knew. So for me, that's that's troubling
Speaker 1: because then means that you're just a person with a
Speaker 1: black face. You don't you don't represent black culture, you
Speaker 1: don't even represent what it is black culture is the
Speaker 1: reality that most the majority of the black people. So
Speaker 1: when you talk about the majority of what black people
Speaker 1: have to deal with and then you put people who
Speaker 1: represent black people who have never dealt with that reality,
Speaker 1: then you don't really represent black people. You're a black person, right,
Speaker 1: and we're not taking the fact that you have. That's
Speaker 1: why we say, oh, skin folk and kin folks, because
Speaker 1: a lot of people who have black skin don't have
Speaker 1: a Black experience. So my my problem is, even if
Speaker 1: you don't have a black experience, if you identify yourself
Speaker 1: with the culture of being black, right, because there's some
Speaker 1: people who don't have a black experience, they are well
Speaker 1: to do. People who come from it, but they they've
Speaker 1: done enough research. They you know, they've been engulfed in
Speaker 1: the culture enough to understand what it is to be
Speaker 1: a black person in American Understand when you when I
Speaker 1: vote for the Republicans, right, what I do is vote
Speaker 1: against the interests of the majority of the black culture.
Speaker 1: That's just that's just the reality. Don't I don't care
Speaker 1: what you said. When you look at the representation in
Speaker 1: the Republican Party, will you listen to Kelly Loffler and
Speaker 1: you listen to what these people say. It is so
Speaker 1: far fetched from my reality that I am perplexed. I
Speaker 1: am perplexed that any black person who can identify with it,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's perplexed. So then when I think
Speaker 1: about those perplex it's perplexing. So then when you look
Speaker 1: at those people who actually run for office, they had
Speaker 1: over thirty people run for office in the Republican Party
Speaker 1: black people, there's like, oh, you know, we're waking up
Speaker 1: and we're doing this. We're not gonna just go with
Speaker 1: the Democrats. And they had over thirty people running in
Speaker 1: Congress and different for different positions, and none of them
Speaker 1: got elected. So how none of them? So how do
Speaker 1: you represent and vote for a party with people who
Speaker 1: look like you can't even get voted in? Like how
Speaker 1: does how does that? Because it's interesting because they will
Speaker 1: run for office in the black community using a platform
Speaker 1: and supporting a party that people know it's not of
Speaker 1: their exactly, they can't go run for it in the
Speaker 1: It's really it is the It is the weirdest state
Speaker 1: of mind because I have conversations with the people and
Speaker 1: it always stopped me there like yeah, but it's changing.
Speaker 1: But until it changes, what is the mind state that
Speaker 1: you have that things that it represents you. But I think,
Speaker 1: I think the reality of it is that at this
Speaker 1: point we need UM a party of our own. We
Speaker 1: at least need some type of political structure that gives
Speaker 1: us the ability to leverage power by them with the masses,
Speaker 1: right because at this point, what we're doing is, you know,
Speaker 1: pretty much we have no choice but to fit in
Speaker 1: these two buckets. And I'll be honest with you and
Speaker 1: say I feel both of them. One is a disaster,
Speaker 1: It's terrible. There's no nothing about the Republican Party that
Speaker 1: I'm interested in or attracted to. And the other one
Speaker 1: has failed us over and over and over again, and
Speaker 1: it continues to fail us, even right now, when the
Speaker 1: new administration is not even an office yet, and already
Speaker 1: we know there are several things that we're gonna have
Speaker 1: to fight about, right, which we always we always say
Speaker 1: we always knew that, UM, but just getting ready gearing
Speaker 1: up to fight, because you can already see them leaning
Speaker 1: towards old habit um, old people not old as an age,
Speaker 1: but old like people that came from the Obama administration,
Speaker 1: the Clinton administration, Folks who were not in vested in
Speaker 1: doing anything that I personally see as radical or overhaul
Speaker 1: shifting of institutions. So, you know, we um I think
Speaker 1: both parties have just failed us. And I see that
Speaker 1: the work that you know, uh Puff or did he
Speaker 1: as some people call him, what he's trying to do
Speaker 1: it is important. Jay Morrison is another individual that has
Speaker 1: been talking about building our own political base so that
Speaker 1: we can again leverage our power in a real way.
Speaker 1: So in the beginning, I've said I've said it to Puff,
Speaker 1: I've said it to other individuals, and I've also of
Speaker 1: course said it to Jay that I don't think we
Speaker 1: can just start off run, you know, come out the
Speaker 1: gate saying we're running our own candidates, because the unity
Speaker 1: among our people needs to be worked on as well,
Speaker 1: and we need to be able to get our allies
Speaker 1: to understand because it's not just black people voting, it's
Speaker 1: black people plus folks who support us voting for you know,
Speaker 1: with us. But I think we are in a place
Speaker 1: where we can at least get organized enough that every candidate,
Speaker 1: anybody who wants to run for anything from school board
Speaker 1: all the way up, that they have to look at
Speaker 1: our agenda, commit to multiple points on the agenda and
Speaker 1: be held accountable if not. I think that's the direction
Speaker 1: that we have to go in because I can understand
Speaker 1: that there are some black people who have turned to
Speaker 1: the Republican Party out of a level of just being
Speaker 1: it's just not seeing themselves anywhere. However, once you turn
Speaker 1: and you see what's in front of you, you should
Speaker 1: be quickly able to turn away. Well, I kind of
Speaker 1: don't agree, you know, I feel like we're in a
Speaker 1: stage right Well, the slogan quote unquote black lives matter,
Speaker 1: it's something that everybody can identify with, right, And I
Speaker 1: feel like the same way if you've never been pulled
Speaker 1: over by a police officer and you're a black person
Speaker 1: that lives in Hollywood, you don't see But it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter because those people, even if I can't get you, right,
Speaker 1: you have. What happens is like with music, right when
Speaker 1: you get an artist who puts out of hot song
Speaker 1: and people just start following somehow it goes diamond. So
Speaker 1: it's thirty million people don't identify. They never the song
Speaker 1: what Jess was talking about. They don't know when Meek
Speaker 1: Mills is talking about, what Little Baby is talking about.
Speaker 1: They don't have a clue what he's tolding, but he
Speaker 1: sold the music so much everybody wants to try to
Speaker 1: figure out I need to be a part of that. Right,
Speaker 1: That's true, But it's a it is. It is because
Speaker 1: those same people that you identify with, right, those same people,
Speaker 1: because they identified with our struggles, they talking about our struggles,
Speaker 1: and Puffet is one of them. So when you put
Speaker 1: all of those same people who sold diamond and twenty
Speaker 1: and thirty millions in one room with one agenda, and
Speaker 1: we do a tour not for music, but we do
Speaker 1: a tour to galvanize our own voting base, it's gonna
Speaker 1: have people who identify with our in the in identified
Speaker 1: with our coaches. I hear you, But that's I mean,
Speaker 1: I think I think you're off to something different because
Speaker 1: I agree with you, we need to get in the
Speaker 1: room and we need to do the work. But I
Speaker 1: will say that you know a lot of people, and
Speaker 1: I hate to use this word or this term, but
Speaker 1: a lot of people just be cloud chasing. Like there
Speaker 1: are some people who literally ran to follow Candice Owens
Speaker 1: and all of those folks just because it seemed cool,
Speaker 1: it was something to do. And again that's because I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say again, the Democratic Party has failed us so
Speaker 1: much that people are just able to say, we're gonna know.
Speaker 1: I believe that. I believe people follow Candice because every
Speaker 1: now and then she says one or two things. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that they completely and I agree. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that they didn't. You always tell me a broken
Speaker 1: clock is right twice a day, so I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that that'sn't the reason. I just telling you
Speaker 1: that people like to jump on gravy trains. So when
Speaker 1: they see that there are black folks going to the
Speaker 1: White House and Canda Zwens is saying some stuff, and
Speaker 1: people are you know, she's getting invited to speak all
Speaker 1: over and you don't feel like, oh man, I mean,
Speaker 1: candas Owens has been to every college. So I don't
Speaker 1: have a list of the schools that she speaks at.
Speaker 1: I don't have time to keep up with that. But
Speaker 1: I also I know for sure because I see online.
Speaker 1: When I first heard of candas Owens, I went and
Speaker 1: just did a quick Google search, and I see the
Speaker 1: universities bring her in all the time to speak. And
Speaker 1: I keep saying to you over and over that some
Speaker 1: of these black people you're talking about, their entire experience
Speaker 1: has been going to white schools, listening to speakers in
Speaker 1: their white institutions, so they do get an opportunity to
Speaker 1: hear her and others like her in those spaces. And
Speaker 1: when you have a party being that the Democratic Party
Speaker 1: that people don't necessarily feel has been properly representing them,
Speaker 1: it's easy for folks to say, you know, people who
Speaker 1: are not taking life seriously in my in my opinion,
Speaker 1: it's easy for them to go say, Okay, well I'll
Speaker 1: just hop over here because it's cool what's going on
Speaker 1: over here. It's not like we're getting these major benefits
Speaker 1: over here either. So we're leaving holes and we're leaving
Speaker 1: people behind. And I think that it is in our
Speaker 1: and again, the major issue for me, which you and
Speaker 1: I talk about all the time, it's the one thing
Speaker 1: that we may agree on, is that the Democrats spend
Speaker 1: so much damn time trying to appeal to people who
Speaker 1: are not with them. They don't spend their time trying
Speaker 1: to find an agenda that that that that will address
Speaker 1: the more conservative blacks and the blacks who are more
Speaker 1: liberal and you know, and trying to figure out the
Speaker 1: group of people who have the voting potential to put
Speaker 1: you in or out of office. They spend their time
Speaker 1: trying to go get Susie, who keeps voting against you.
Speaker 1: Everything will tell. That means that you're proving what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Because if we create our own party, that's exactly what
Speaker 1: we would do. You're gonna approve that's exactly what we do.
Speaker 1: You just said, you said because you let me tell
Speaker 1: you why, Because the whole premise of this argument was
Speaker 1: when you told you and you told puff that you
Speaker 1: don't think that we create our own party where we
Speaker 1: need If I said that, let me let me correct myself.
Speaker 1: What I told them is, I don't think that we're
Speaker 1: at the point where we can get our people to
Speaker 1: vote in the ways in which we need them to.
Speaker 1: Yet I think that there are stages, and the first
Speaker 1: stage is being able to get our people in a
Speaker 1: mindset of being in a block where when we do vote,
Speaker 1: we have leverage. But I don't believe that. I believe
Speaker 1: that what we should do is galvanized our own people
Speaker 1: and put our own candidates and then when we then
Speaker 1: when we start withholding our vote. Didn't make sense because
Speaker 1: now when we're saying that we're withholding our vote and
Speaker 1: we're given it, and we're showing that millions of people
Speaker 1: is voting for the people we want and what we
Speaker 1: constantly do. And like I said, the same way they
Speaker 1: do rap tours, you go from state to state and
Speaker 1: you say, listen, we need everybody in this arena right
Speaker 1: here to sign up and galvanize for our own party.
Speaker 1: We understand that we need something different. Okay, So what
Speaker 1: I need you to understand, you know, because I have
Speaker 1: actually been doing this work for a very very long time.
Speaker 1: They about to bring another young lady on who we
Speaker 1: can ask her opinion. Um and UM. You know, of
Speaker 1: course I'm not saying that you haven't. But the problem
Speaker 1: that you're gonna have is that your number of people
Speaker 1: who are part of this thing we're building will shrink significantly.
Speaker 1: And I'll explain to you why. Because the people, the
Speaker 1: people who are your most committed voting base period every election,
Speaker 1: the ones who vote the most are older black people
Speaker 1: who won't be at your rap concert. They don't give
Speaker 1: a damn about what any of us are saying, and
Speaker 1: they vote Democrat. They don't give a damn If the
Speaker 1: sky turns are in, but they only vote Democrat because
Speaker 1: we haven't given them. And that's why I'm trying to explain.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to explain to you that it is a process.
Speaker 1: That's all I'm trying to say. The process you're talking about.
Speaker 1: If we got four years right now, four years, we
Speaker 1: got four years to worry about two years. It's not
Speaker 1: a four year process because between now and four years
Speaker 1: you have another mid term election process coming up. And
Speaker 1: so therefore what you do, this is just my political
Speaker 1: strategy what I think, and you guys can tell me
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. I think you build a base of people,
Speaker 1: you begin to work over the next It's probably gonna
Speaker 1: take eight years to do what you're talking about, because
Speaker 1: in the next two years you're just gonna focus on
Speaker 1: keeping the momentum that you have to be able to
Speaker 1: get to keep the seats and gain more seats in
Speaker 1: the House and in the House, right so send it Congress,
Speaker 1: we need to keep that. So you're gonna focus on
Speaker 1: that right now, because you lose that, you lose the
Speaker 1: whole ball game. Then in four years you will be
Speaker 1: in a situation where you can go to Kamala Harris
Speaker 1: or whomever is running on a Democratic ticket and say,
Speaker 1: over these last four years, we have signed up, we've registered,
Speaker 1: we've pulled together over ten million people who say we
Speaker 1: want X, y, z, B, D, E f G. If
Speaker 1: you don't give it to us, we might be with
Speaker 1: the Republicans. Depending on how you work your relationship out
Speaker 1: with your Republican friends, that you might be able to
Speaker 1: change their But anyway, um, you know, it might be
Speaker 1: the Republicans might be, this might be the Independence, it
Speaker 1: might be you know, whatever it is we choose to do.
Speaker 1: But you now have a block of people. So now
Speaker 1: you get to put things on the agenda. It's on
Speaker 1: the debate stage. You hear people talking about it in
Speaker 1: primaries and otherwise. That's where you are in four years. Now,
Speaker 1: you take that ten million. When people see your elderly
Speaker 1: people and others, they see that you took ten million
Speaker 1: people and you move policy as a result of it,
Speaker 1: they're gonna say, Okay, I'm gonna sign on and now
Speaker 1: for the next four years. In the next four years,
Speaker 1: you've got thirty to forty million people, and now you're
Speaker 1: able to say we're running John. So that's what I think.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying this I hear you, and I just
Speaker 1: want you to say, even though our elderly is our
Speaker 1: biggest voting base in the world, right in the country,
Speaker 1: and it's it's because our youth are not being invigorated.
Speaker 1: So what I'm saying is you going on after a
Speaker 1: base that has already been established, right, that is committed
Speaker 1: to something because they feel like it only represents them.
Speaker 1: I'm going after a base that probably is way bigger
Speaker 1: than that's what's established, that has committed to nothing because
Speaker 1: they feel like nothing represents them. So I figure, especially
Speaker 1: when you look at the culture that we have, and
Speaker 1: you look at the the reach that all of these
Speaker 1: artists in all these people have that want to change something,
Speaker 1: if you do this like you do a rap tool
Speaker 1: around the world and you Gavin us, it could be
Speaker 1: over ten million because each one of them has their
Speaker 1: own fan Baseion, I don't want to keep our guests
Speaker 1: holding but here's what I will say. I'm willing to
Speaker 1: do whatever y'all tell let's get it. I'll do the
Speaker 1: rap tour, I'll do whatever y'all say. It's going to work.
Speaker 1: And I support that we are now going to be
Speaker 1: joined by a mina to Robbie who is She's like,
Speaker 1: she's already looking. I mean she read a state director
Speaker 1: from March for Our Lives Georgia, a deputy director for
Speaker 1: Rise Georgia. UM, getting out to vote, registering people and
Speaker 1: also just working on a lot of incredible stuff. And
Speaker 1: you know on street Politicians, we do an activist organizer
Speaker 1: segment every week. And it's good to have you with us, Amina,
Speaker 1: what's going on in Georgia. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: Is a great discussion y'all will have. Man, I'm excited
Speaker 1: to be a part of it. Yes, you're gonna be
Speaker 1: a part of it now because we want to know
Speaker 1: what do you think? Do you think that if we
Speaker 1: strategically strategically strategically what is the strategic words? And it's
Speaker 1: cool if we strategically organized around our youth and we
Speaker 1: appeal to what the youth want right now? Do you
Speaker 1: think that we can galvanize enough energy to create our
Speaker 1: own voting party. WHOA, let's go Amina, But Um, young
Speaker 1: people these days, they've they've seen a lot and comment
Speaker 1: like overall police brutality. They've seen how college debt affects them.
Speaker 1: They've seen all these things. And I was hearing y'all
Speaker 1: talking and nothing. No one is talking about these issues.
Speaker 1: We keep talking about the same things over and over again.
Speaker 1: So it's like, does anybody actually care about us? Like
Speaker 1: you said, the elderly are our biggest voting base, but
Speaker 1: let's be real, they won't be around when we get
Speaker 1: to a certain age. So are we gonna continue the
Speaker 1: cycle of messing up the world, then coming back trying
Speaker 1: to fix it, then going back messing it up again?
Speaker 1: So we have something has to change, whether I agree
Speaker 1: realvanizing the youth, whether it be changing somebody's mind. But
Speaker 1: on that point, I don't believe in changing people's minds.
Speaker 1: I believe once your mind is made, you're not coming back. Um,
Speaker 1: A lot of people stay so much time on just
Speaker 1: being like maybe you know, like don't vote for this person,
Speaker 1: don't be with this party. This, Uh, this is bad,
Speaker 1: this is good. But if somebody's mind is made, nothing
Speaker 1: you say or do it's gonna change it, Like no
Speaker 1: matter how many facts you present them, because in their minds,
Speaker 1: you're wrong and exactly, And that's my whole strategy. It's like,
Speaker 1: we understand that we can't change people's minds, so why
Speaker 1: don't we get the minds of the people who are
Speaker 1: still being formed, who have a strap, who understand what
Speaker 1: it is right now that's going on. You know, a
Speaker 1: lot of you don't vote because they don't see themselves represented.
Speaker 1: Like you said, a lot of the issues that the
Speaker 1: young people are dealing with they don't hear anybody talking
Speaker 1: about or feel like anyone cares about it. So if
Speaker 1: we put together a party that focus is mainly and
Speaker 1: exactly on what the youth who aren't voting or and
Speaker 1: the ones who are voting are really passionate about, I
Speaker 1: think we could completely change the dynamics and the trajectory
Speaker 1: of this country. I think that you you guys are right,
Speaker 1: there's an appetite for it. But you know, as an organizer,
Speaker 1: I understand the process that things takes, changing the mindset,
Speaker 1: being able to get unity, being able to make sure
Speaker 1: people are responsible, and so I think that it's definitely
Speaker 1: called a party and its its goals are too ultimately
Speaker 1: be able to capture the votes and and be able
Speaker 1: to run your own your own candidates and what have you.
Speaker 1: But I think that the process getting towards that requires
Speaker 1: some political education. People who vote Democrat all the time,
Speaker 1: which again I have to say it because I wanted
Speaker 1: to make sure it's clear, because you know, I see
Speaker 1: people watching the show right now who are like, Oh,
Speaker 1: she's just a Democratic you know, hustler, she just works
Speaker 1: for the Democrats. Um. But the people who are who
Speaker 1: do vote Democrat, die hard voters. Those are individuals who
Speaker 1: have been voting that way for years and years. This
Speaker 1: is not something new that happened just because you know
Speaker 1: a couple of years, they've been invested. And I'll give
Speaker 1: you an example of what I'm talking about. I don't
Speaker 1: know where you were with the Democratic primary, but Bernie Sanders.
Speaker 1: People were so excited it about Bernie. We all wanted Bernie, right,
Speaker 1: I kind of wanted Elizabeth Warren. That was my first choice,
Speaker 1: and then Bernie was my second. My son was a
Speaker 1: big Bernie supporter. But guess what across the country when
Speaker 1: it came to time for people to show up at
Speaker 1: the polls, folks did not show up for Bernie the
Speaker 1: way that they needed to, and especially some of the
Speaker 1: very young people who were online talking about him, who
Speaker 1: didn't vote for him on the day that it was
Speaker 1: time to vote. So I feel like we have fallen
Speaker 1: into the cycle of voting for the less of two
Speaker 1: people's We keep doing this like um, and I feel
Speaker 1: like a reason that Bernie didn't get the nomination was
Speaker 1: they weren't thinking was good for the country, was good
Speaker 1: for the people. They were thinking, well, Joe Biden can
Speaker 1: bring in these you know, these moderate votes, so let's
Speaker 1: vote for him. I remember when I found out that
Speaker 1: Joe Biden got the nomination. I was like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: because I know everybody who was here was like, way,
Speaker 1: I want Bernie. But then suddenly the mindset changed and
Speaker 1: it's like, well, who can be Trump? And we need
Speaker 1: to get out of this because that's how we're gonna
Speaker 1: have country. And we talked about a revolution, We talked
Speaker 1: about radicalizing and tearing down these institutions and this systemic
Speaker 1: um oppression that is built from the ground up. But
Speaker 1: we can't keep doing that if we were just like
Speaker 1: who can be this person? It's not like a four
Speaker 1: year stretch. This goes way beyond that. A right, yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I I think you have the mindset that's necessary to
Speaker 1: do exactly what my son is talking about. And any
Speaker 1: time that I hear someone who's willing to push us
Speaker 1: beyond um, what I may be saying, which you know, again,
Speaker 1: I think I'm laying out a strategy that is a
Speaker 1: winning strategy, but I also know that we cannot move
Speaker 1: through those that process slowly like we this is not
Speaker 1: a delayed thing. We gotta go go time. Oh so,
Speaker 1: tell us about some of the geo TV work that
Speaker 1: you've been doing in Georgia. Of course, Well, um, November,
Speaker 1: you know we flipped Georgia. It was on the group
Speaker 1: this day. It's been a it's been a once, but
Speaker 1: U on the ground organizers did that. It wasn't the
Speaker 1: Democratic Party. It wasn't Joe Biden and Kamala Harris Um
Speaker 1: coming down and being like you should vote for me.
Speaker 1: It was people realizing that this election is not a
Speaker 1: one way flight. It's more like a bus connect and
Speaker 1: we have to get on this connection flight to go
Speaker 1: towards change. And that's how we got Joe Biden in.
Speaker 1: But now we're sitting in a position where like, okay,
Speaker 1: we're we want change, right, we want we want to
Speaker 1: address police brutality, and we want to address criminal justice reform,
Speaker 1: and we want to address healthcare. But this administration can't
Speaker 1: do anything if the Senate doesn't work. We're gonna be back,
Speaker 1: so Obama's lane. Dug Sessions how he had it, he
Speaker 1: couldn't get anything done either. So we realized that getting
Speaker 1: John Austoff and Raphael We're not into office is the
Speaker 1: only way we can get it done. Step one was
Speaker 1: getting Joe Biden in. Step two is getting these people
Speaker 1: in so we can actually get the stuff that we
Speaker 1: want done. Of course, it's not gonna be a pent
Speaker 1: of the radicalization that we want. It's not gonna be
Speaker 1: automatic free healthcare, automatic free college, because let's be real,
Speaker 1: they're not gonna go for it at all. But something
Speaker 1: along the way it's gonna happened. So here, um, like
Speaker 1: y'all said, we've been targeting youth because between November three
Speaker 1: in January five, three thousand high school uh kids turned eighteen.
Speaker 1: That's a whole new voting block right there. We need
Speaker 1: we tapped into that. We know that runoff elections don't
Speaker 1: have a high turn off every it's always old white
Speaker 1: people that show up to the polls. And that's why
Speaker 1: historically run off to tense being will Republican because your
Speaker 1: voter based is not showing up. Now, this election is
Speaker 1: on such a weird day, you know, like right after
Speaker 1: the new year, are you still recovering? You don't even
Speaker 1: remember what year it is, January five, But it's to
Speaker 1: remind these people, like all summer long, you was in
Speaker 1: these streets. We were in the streets all summer long.
Speaker 1: We protested, people got be people got arrested. But was
Speaker 1: it for nothing? Is what we did? Is that for nothing?
Speaker 1: Are we just going to sit here and be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: the cycles out, we forget the momentum. It's like, remember
Speaker 1: the things that you were fighting for. Remember how people
Speaker 1: who are suffering from corona come back home with three
Speaker 1: million dollar bills because they don't have health at checks.
Speaker 1: Remember these um problems that you know that you have
Speaker 1: faced on the daily basis, and go out and vote
Speaker 1: based on that. Don't just go out and vote because
Speaker 1: I told you you should go out and vote. Vote
Speaker 1: because your story needs to be hurt on the federal level. Well,
Speaker 1: thank you, because I feel invigorated. I feel confident that
Speaker 1: we're gonna get the votes. Because if if you are
Speaker 1: any example of what we have to look forward to
Speaker 1: in our youth, then I know the movement is in
Speaker 1: good hands. So we want to thank you for the
Speaker 1: work you do We want to thank you for coming
Speaker 1: to our show and gracing us and agreeing with me
Speaker 1: the fact that the youth can definitely lead the way
Speaker 1: and be you know, the the the catalyst for the change.
Speaker 1: Then you vo sometimes you don't think it too the
Speaker 1: catalysts for change. So we appreciate you. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for joining us. Thank you, take care and being great, queen.
Speaker 1: Thank you. That's right, alright, alright, we have some amazing
Speaker 1: young people. Yeah, and that I mean we can help,
Speaker 1: but we didn't. We didn't ask her how we can
Speaker 1: help her that or not we can support any of
Speaker 1: her organizational efforts, but we'll make sure that we'll definitely
Speaker 1: reach out. And we need y'all to let us know
Speaker 1: how we can support you. If you know any amazing
Speaker 1: young people, know many any amazing young people are older
Speaker 1: people who are actually on grassroots, on the ground, doing
Speaker 1: the work. So we need y'all to help us, to
Speaker 1: let us know how we can help you. If you
Speaker 1: know anybody that's on the ground, young, old, whoever, is
Speaker 1: doing the work in your community. How can we support you?
Speaker 1: What do you need from us? How can we uplift
Speaker 1: your voice? How can we lend our platform to your
Speaker 1: struggle let us know. Yeah, for sure, because you know,
Speaker 1: that's an important segment for us. We talked about it
Speaker 1: all the time and I'm probably a broken record, but
Speaker 1: I think it's really important that we consistently bring people
Speaker 1: on our show who are on the ground doing real work.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people again to get a lot
Speaker 1: of attention, but they don't necessarily to be doing work.
Speaker 1: But you know, I digress. I was told that I
Speaker 1: mean today, I mean, I mean not mean. I mean
Speaker 1: that you just have you have a mood that you
Speaker 1: get in sometimes that can be difficult. It's a difficult mood,
Speaker 1: you know, and that I think that's why we don't
Speaker 1: agree on a lot of things. You see, we didn't
Speaker 1: agree about the young and old people, and you realize
Speaker 1: that your mood is horrible. I have My disposition is excellent.
Speaker 1: People whose disposition is different, you really want to have
Speaker 1: this conversation anyway. Once again, we don't always agree, and
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna always be right and she's not gonna
Speaker 1: always be wrong, but we will always always be all that.
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