Speaker 1: Beyond the Beauty is a production of I Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: I'm your host, Bobby Brown. I first saw the makeup
Speaker 1: brand cosas a bunch of years ago, and it looked
Speaker 1: so much like a traditional brand. But it was one
Speaker 1: of the first brands that was clean and looked like
Speaker 1: a regular brand that you would see in all the
Speaker 1: department stores. I tried it and the makeup worked, So
Speaker 1: I'm really curious and interested in how the brand was built,
Speaker 1: and you know, I wanted to talk to the founder,
Speaker 1: Shena Utanus. I was pretty intrigued by not just that
Speaker 1: she's someone that loves beauty that grew up watching her mom,
Speaker 1: but she was super smart, had a science background, got
Speaker 1: her masters in business, was also an actress. But here's
Speaker 1: this girl who has a beauty brand. So I'm very
Speaker 1: curious to find out who is she? Ina utanous Hey, Shana, Hi, Bobby,
Speaker 1: So nice to meet you. It's really nice to meet
Speaker 1: you too. You have some incredible, incredibly interesting bio which
Speaker 1: I can't wait to dive into. Let's dive into it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I but I remember the first time I saw
Speaker 1: the brand. I was still working at the old company,
Speaker 1: and you were, you know, you guys had just come out,
Speaker 1: and I just thought how fascinating, Like it was so
Speaker 1: new and different because there was nothing in the clean
Speaker 1: world that resembled like a real makeup product. So tell
Speaker 1: me about the launch. Thank you, Bob, and thank you
Speaker 1: for knowing and noticing that, like was like that was
Speaker 1: like a big revolution and jump I think for clean um.
Speaker 1: But of course, like at the time that Coasts launched,
Speaker 1: there was no such term as clean. It wasn't even
Speaker 1: a thing yet. Well, there was some there was some
Speaker 1: things that people were making in their kitchen and you know,
Speaker 1: granola kind of hippie stuff. Yeah, we had like natural
Speaker 1: and organic and like a sense of like understanding that
Speaker 1: maybe there was some there was some ingredients and conventional
Speaker 1: that people didn't want to use. There was like definitely
Speaker 1: a rise of like oh should we be questioning these
Speaker 1: ingredients that was starting to happen UM. And then I like,
Speaker 1: I love where we've landed now and like the and
Speaker 1: I love the evolution of where things are going because
Speaker 1: I think there was like that big pendulum swing to
Speaker 1: natural and organic and that was tough for people who
Speaker 1: are obsessed with makeup and wearing it. UM. And so
Speaker 1: now I like, I love that we've kind of come
Speaker 1: back around to thoughtful and purposeful. Well, let's let's go
Speaker 1: back for a second. Because you grew up your mother
Speaker 1: worked in cosmetics, she was in retail. Tell me he
Speaker 1: worked at the mall. My mother worked at the mall.
Speaker 1: Um she worked at before I was even born. She
Speaker 1: worked at Clarence Um. And then when I was growing up,
Speaker 1: she worked at Clinique. And I don't know if you
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead and guess you've never
Speaker 1: worked at the mall. But I actually I actually sold
Speaker 1: shoes in high school at the mall. Yes, okay, so yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's kind of a rite of passage, right,
Speaker 1: um So, because my mom worked at Clinique, and she
Speaker 1: actually really loved that. She still speaks fondly of like
Speaker 1: how fun it was, because of course your you work
Speaker 1: at shopping, Like how fun is that? Um? And her
Speaker 1: friends would be, you know, like the girl from the
Speaker 1: Landcomb counter or like you know, someone from Chanel and
Speaker 1: then the s a Sta Lauter. And that's how I
Speaker 1: got to know these brands was through the people who
Speaker 1: were my mom's friends who wrapped the brands. And you
Speaker 1: really start to understand like a very early sense of
Speaker 1: like what does DNA mean? What's identity? And like what's
Speaker 1: the difference between these things? And so much of that
Speaker 1: just came through, like the the textures, the smells, the names,
Speaker 1: and they all had a little personality of their own.
Speaker 1: So I got my beauty education on the ground. And
Speaker 1: you must have played with your mom's makeup when you
Speaker 1: were a kid. It's all I played with so Like
Speaker 1: I was a very quiet child, I spent a lot
Speaker 1: of time in my mom's bathroom or in my room
Speaker 1: by myself. Um, I've always been drawn to materials because like,
Speaker 1: I have a compulsion to make things. And what greater
Speaker 1: material or medium than makeup? I mean we had and
Speaker 1: I had so much of it, so much access to it.
Speaker 1: It was like it's like going to the art store.
Speaker 1: Like going into her bathroom and going through her drawers
Speaker 1: was just like going to the art store. And you
Speaker 1: used to make your own makeup when you were a
Speaker 1: little kid, is that correct? Yes, I mean my own makeup.
Speaker 1: I started making my own makeup when I was probably
Speaker 1: like ten. I would at that time. You know, you
Speaker 1: buy those little Monday Tuesday Wednesday like pill cases and
Speaker 1: the jar of vaseline and the eyeshadow and then crush
Speaker 1: it all up and mix it all together, and like
Speaker 1: I would make I actually made some early stuff that
Speaker 1: I'm coming back around to, like the idea of like
Speaker 1: glitter gel highlighter. That's a big one. Yeah, So I
Speaker 1: would make. I would mix makeup. I would mix skincare too,
Speaker 1: and um and nail polish because I was like very
Speaker 1: I love the lackery like an Emily texture of nail polish.
Speaker 1: I think it's such a gorgeous material. And mixing the
Speaker 1: colors was like a fun early thing for me. So
Speaker 1: you were very creative as a kid and did all
Speaker 1: these really cool things. You grew up, you know, with
Speaker 1: your mom's makeup, but you were a smarty pants and
Speaker 1: you ended up studying by biology science at u C.
Speaker 1: I yeah, I did my Um. I mean, here's the thing.
Speaker 1: My parents are immigrants. They moved here, and they moved
Speaker 1: to America from Iran in the seventies when they were
Speaker 1: in college. They were supposed to come here to do
Speaker 1: an exchange program. And at the time, like the relationship
Speaker 1: between Iran and the United States was good, and so
Speaker 1: things were okay, and they came here, they didn't speak English. Um.
Speaker 1: They moved to Texas and they went to college. And
Speaker 1: while they were here, a war started back in their
Speaker 1: home country, and they basically became stateless, Like they couldn't
Speaker 1: go back to their war torn country. They didn't really
Speaker 1: belong here at all. Um, you know, they started to
Speaker 1: face the realities of what it means to be another
Speaker 1: here in the US. They were, you know, and then
Speaker 1: they and then they tried to make the best of it,
Speaker 1: which is two make a better life for their kids.
Speaker 1: And they're both they both have like such a deep
Speaker 1: artistic nature. I watched my mom grow up. She has
Speaker 1: such an amazing sense of color. I like everything I
Speaker 1: learned about mixing colors came from her, Like the emotional
Speaker 1: response that you get I'm putting pink connects to orange,
Speaker 1: Like that's something she taught me when I was a kid.
Speaker 1: And so these are the things that moved her. And
Speaker 1: yet she was filled with such a fear of ever
Speaker 1: pursuing anything creative in her entire life because she was foreign.
Speaker 1: And that takes guts, and it takes showing your heart,
Speaker 1: and it takes so much confidence and courage, which she
Speaker 1: did not have. So I watched this as I grew
Speaker 1: up with my parents not speaking English, and that like
Speaker 1: affects the dynamic of the parent child relationship because in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways, like they can't guide you, you
Speaker 1: have to guide them. And then, yes, my nature was
Speaker 1: artistic from day one, like these are the things that
Speaker 1: I was obsessed with and wanted to spend my life doing. Um,
Speaker 1: But I also had to carry some of that fear too.
Speaker 1: They were afraid for me, which actually like just made
Speaker 1: me afraid too. And so the last thing your parents
Speaker 1: want you to do when they feel that way is
Speaker 1: to do anything risky, like become an artist. That's insane.
Speaker 1: So oh um. I pursued science, which I actually find
Speaker 1: to be a very creative discipline anyway, because you are
Speaker 1: in uncharted territory most of the time, you're trying to
Speaker 1: discover And so that part of it I really did love,
Speaker 1: and I still love, and I never thought it would
Speaker 1: become useful to me, but turns out it has. Well.
Speaker 1: If someone would have told me that in high school,
Speaker 1: maybe I would have gotten better than d's in science
Speaker 1: because there was nothing creative about my science teacher. So
Speaker 1: besides this, besides this brainiac creative girl. You happen to
Speaker 1: be beautiful. You acted. I acted for thirty seconds and
Speaker 1: I did not like it. Okay, but more than thirty seconds.
Speaker 1: You you were in House and you were also Season
Speaker 1: one of Master Chefs. So you cook. I love cooking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love cooking. And it's that whole like compulsively making
Speaker 1: things with your hands. There's a theme here. Yeah, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's it's quite something else. And then you also started
Speaker 1: a makeup company. You started with eight lipsticks. I started
Speaker 1: with four. Four, all right, I started with ten. You
Speaker 1: started with four? And how did you like? So? How
Speaker 1: did that happen? I had? I still think about this
Speaker 1: a lot, actually, because my love is with color. My
Speaker 1: love is with color and form, and I have what
Speaker 1: feels like a lot of concentrated creative energy that needs
Speaker 1: to come out somehow, and that can come out through
Speaker 1: a lot of different things. And there was a period
Speaker 1: of time where I wanted to really, like more formally
Speaker 1: learn the principles of art. And so I started working
Speaker 1: with an art teacher. And this was right before I
Speaker 1: started COSIS, and um, she was teaching me color theory,
Speaker 1: like we were really understanding and we were working on
Speaker 1: portraiture because like I think, I'm just so fascinated by
Speaker 1: and like I get a lot of pleasure from the
Speaker 1: female form and humans in art, Like that's my that's
Speaker 1: something I love. I'm less drawn to landscapes, more drawn
Speaker 1: to human So you could paint, you paint people and face.
Speaker 1: I paint. I do not paint well, like let's not
Speaker 1: let's not get ahead of ourselves. I love it, but
Speaker 1: I'm not good at it. And like it's like the
Speaker 1: same thing with the piano for me, Like I love it,
Speaker 1: but I'm like not good, you know, and that's okay. Um,
Speaker 1: So I learned. But I did start to learn painting
Speaker 1: and I learned color. And it was in that process
Speaker 1: of like when I was learning how to mix earth
Speaker 1: tones and skin tones, which I had like absolutely no
Speaker 1: idea what the anatomy of these were. It was it's
Speaker 1: so fun. But when I was doing it, like I
Speaker 1: was ending up these piles of skin toned paint and
Speaker 1: they were so gorgeous and so alive, and I was like,
Speaker 1: that's makeup that I want to wear, Like those are
Speaker 1: the colors that I want to wear that I feel
Speaker 1: like you're going to bring to life my whole face,
Speaker 1: and that's what I've been looking for. And yet, like
Speaker 1: every time I try to find a color like that,
Speaker 1: why is it that when I put it on, I
Speaker 1: end up looking worse? And I know that this is
Speaker 1: a podcasting so other people can't say me, but you can.
Speaker 1: I'm so green. My skin tone is really really olive um.
Speaker 1: And so it's like a it's a hard to mix
Speaker 1: with situation, and there aren't a lot of products out
Speaker 1: there that like kind of cater to this tone family.
Speaker 1: And so those piles of paint to me like I
Speaker 1: felt seen by them because I was like, if I
Speaker 1: put those on, I am going to look good. That's
Speaker 1: gonna be great. And then those drove what those first
Speaker 1: four lipstick colors were. Okay, everyone wants a makeup line now,
Speaker 1: but the question is where does someone begin that doesn't
Speaker 1: know anything? You know, how did you find a chemist?
Speaker 1: How did you find the packaging? Great question. I was
Speaker 1: in the makeup chair on I think it was House.
Speaker 1: It was my thirty seconds of acting. See I knew
Speaker 1: it's always like it's like some dog millionaires of life.
Speaker 1: Everything has a reason. So it was in that thirty
Speaker 1: seconds of acting. I was in the makeup chair. I
Speaker 1: was talking to the makeup artist and I told her
Speaker 1: about like I want to have a makeup and at
Speaker 1: that time, by the way, there weren't as many people
Speaker 1: saying they wanted to have a beauty brand. Beauty was
Speaker 1: a place that fashion people were escaping too, because it
Speaker 1: was like a way more laid back business. Like they
Speaker 1: were like fashions too intense, it's to aggro, Like, let's
Speaker 1: go to UM beauty. And so I thought it was
Speaker 1: like relatively chill and laid back as an industry then UM.
Speaker 1: And I asked her and I told her about it,
Speaker 1: and she said, oh, I have a few friends who
Speaker 1: have made some products. And you know, here's the name
Speaker 1: of somebody. I had tried the Google thing. I reached
Speaker 1: out to any chemists, not one of them wrote me back. UM,
Speaker 1: and then she gave me this name and this one
Speaker 1: person wrote me back and that started everything. Wow, So
Speaker 1: how did you sell the first four lipsticks? So I
Speaker 1: made a website and I actually don't think like shopify
Speaker 1: was even around around them. There was something different. I
Speaker 1: had to actually like make a custom website and it
Speaker 1: had four products on it, you know, it was these
Speaker 1: four lipsticks. It was a single page yourself or did
Speaker 1: you have to ask someone to do I had. I
Speaker 1: had to ask somebody, So I had want this, you know.
Speaker 1: I went to this guy's garage and he made me
Speaker 1: a website with one page, and I designed it by
Speaker 1: drawing it on a piece of paper. People are so sophisticated, now,
Speaker 1: aren't they. They're like have all these branding decks and
Speaker 1: like the whole thing. And I was just like, here's
Speaker 1: my website. I put some squares on there. I was like,
Speaker 1: put the face here, the button here, and that was
Speaker 1: kind of it. And it was a single page. And
Speaker 1: then like one day I turned it on and that
Speaker 1: day was the day I received the lipsticks. Like it
Speaker 1: wasn't this like grand master plan. It was just like
Speaker 1: I was so scared to even own this many lipsticks.
Speaker 1: Remember how many was your first order? The minimum the
Speaker 1: minimum order quantity which was so cute, which was a
Speaker 1: thousand pieces per shade. So I had four thousand lipsticks
Speaker 1: in my house and I was like, what does four
Speaker 1: thousand sticks seriously even look like? Like I was like,
Speaker 1: can you give me, like, is it like going to
Speaker 1: fill up one room? What's it gonna look like? Any
Speaker 1: it wasn't It was actually not that big. I was surprised. Um.
Speaker 1: I put them in the den in my house, in
Speaker 1: these little piles, and then that was it. I turned
Speaker 1: on the website and I posted about it on Instagram
Speaker 1: to my five hundred friends and family that followed me,
Speaker 1: and people like people started placing little orders. It was
Speaker 1: so like, I remember how long it took for me
Speaker 1: to make the first and dollars. You know, I love
Speaker 1: hearing this story because so many people You're right, they
Speaker 1: make the decks, they get the investments, they do all
Speaker 1: of this and I and I have people calling me
Speaker 1: all the time. How do I get these two influencer?
Speaker 1: How do I get pressed? And I'm like, you need
Speaker 1: the product you need, Like, if you don't have a
Speaker 1: product that you think is better than what's out there,
Speaker 1: you don't have a company. You can't do it the
Speaker 1: other way around. So honestly, anyone that's listening, I don't
Speaker 1: care if you want to make bras or granola. This
Speaker 1: is how you start a business, and this is how
Speaker 1: you become an entrepreneur. And by the way, I don't
Speaker 1: know how long from the time that you did those
Speaker 1: four lipsticks too, when people started hearing about you, but
Speaker 1: in and I know that you were the number one
Speaker 1: indie brand of the year in two thousand and nineteen. Like,
Speaker 1: that's huge. That was four years later. That was four
Speaker 1: years later. Yeah, it took time. There's so many coast
Speaker 1: of questions because it's become such a giant brand. How
Speaker 1: many employees do you have right now? We have forty?
Speaker 1: Kink you for thinking we're a giant brand. We're a
Speaker 1: teeny tiny brand. But I'm glad that it looks that way.
Speaker 1: But yeah, we have a team of forty. In the
Speaker 1: indie world, you're a giant brand. Okay, I'll take that
Speaker 1: in my small pond. I'm a big fish. Yes. And
Speaker 1: what what keeps you up at night? Oh my god, Bobby,
Speaker 1: when is the last time I slept? Everything? Every little
Speaker 1: thing I would I would say, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: what's very There are a few things. One is I'm
Speaker 1: a person, Like I'm a human being with a heart
Speaker 1: and a soul and bones, and I'm just eight, Like
Speaker 1: I'm just as vulnerable as anybody else because we all are.
Speaker 1: And so I think the like giving up of my
Speaker 1: personhood in some way, or or like not having the
Speaker 1: sensitivity towards like who I am as a person. I
Speaker 1: know that's a super abstract and vague, beyond vague thing
Speaker 1: to say, but I think that sometimes does because like
Speaker 1: it ultimately comes down to this like feeling of being
Speaker 1: misunderstood sometimes or or like misrepresented, and that's that can
Speaker 1: hurt because, Um, I think that we have a drive
Speaker 1: to be seen by those we love as what we
Speaker 1: believe we are. And when you end up doing something
Speaker 1: a little bit more public than you know, you're being
Speaker 1: seen by a lot of people who don't love you
Speaker 1: as well. So like there's a huge amount of misrepresentation
Speaker 1: that can happen, and that sometimes keeps me up at night.
Speaker 1: I mean, don't you think that social has been a
Speaker 1: big like reason how your business grew so fast? Absolutely,
Speaker 1: it's been a big reason. I think that's because of
Speaker 1: the time that the business started in. Like if if
Speaker 1: we were in a different time and social didn't exist,
Speaker 1: then it would have grown fast in another way, because
Speaker 1: like I do believe like I'm here to do this regardless,
Speaker 1: and I'm getting into the time frame that I've been
Speaker 1: planted here in. So yes, it is because of social
Speaker 1: right now, um, to some extent um, But I think
Speaker 1: it's like it's just like one layer deeper. It's like
Speaker 1: because of the love of love, love of doing it. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, your business has grown so much, what are
Speaker 1: you hoping? What are you hoping for the business? And
Speaker 1: then I want to just dive into some of your
Speaker 1: special amazing formulas and products, So what are you what
Speaker 1: are you hoping for the business? I right now, I
Speaker 1: think that our business has grown definitely, but it's really
Speaker 1: just like at the very beginning stage, so early, and
Speaker 1: I haven't even like scratched the surface on like some
Speaker 1: of the things that I want to do, which all
Speaker 1: really have to do with storytelling and product and because
Speaker 1: those are the two places where my heart is. Um,
Speaker 1: there's you know, I want to be able to I
Speaker 1: can't wait to be able to like actually like touch
Speaker 1: people again and be able to have that conver station
Speaker 1: with other women about how they feel about their appearance, um,
Speaker 1: and like what coases can do and what kind of
Speaker 1: support we can bring into like from a product perspective,
Speaker 1: and have that like really like what I'm always looking for,
Speaker 1: which is that feeling of like finally, you know, like
Speaker 1: finally I've been looking for lip color that looks like
Speaker 1: this finally, like I you know, I've been wanting to
Speaker 1: be able to like get this like polished skin look,
Speaker 1: and I never have been able to. And you know,
Speaker 1: like thanks for making this and finally, like I feel
Speaker 1: like I love doing this ritual every day and like
Speaker 1: you know, really enjoy it and it doesn't feel like
Speaker 1: a routine or a chore. Well, your tinted oil has
Speaker 1: been a runaway success, you know. I think that was
Speaker 1: a very unique um formula that I think really you know,
Speaker 1: hit like hit a nerve. So when did you how
Speaker 1: did you think of that? Because there's not a lot
Speaker 1: of tinted oils on the market, No there aren't. I
Speaker 1: mean for me, it was like I liked to use
Speaker 1: oil and I like the look of of a of
Speaker 1: like a foundation, Like I like the look of a
Speaker 1: little bit of complexion product. I think it makes me
Speaker 1: feel like I look dressed. Um, I don't like a
Speaker 1: lot And it's like very specific what I'm looking for,
Speaker 1: Like I want a little bit of my skin to
Speaker 1: show through, but only the parts of my skin that
Speaker 1: I love, and then I want the rest of it
Speaker 1: to all look really even and I want to address
Speaker 1: my redness. I don't want to. I don't want something
Speaker 1: that's going to settle into my pores. And most importantly,
Speaker 1: I wanted to look better and better throughout the day,
Speaker 1: which i've you know, have had a hard time experiencing
Speaker 1: as a person who wears foundation. And I want to
Speaker 1: be able to wear it every day. Frankly too, I
Speaker 1: don't want to save it for special occasions, which is
Speaker 1: how I was feeling. I want to be able to
Speaker 1: get up and put on my favorite face every day quickly.
Speaker 1: But I wanted to look awesome. And that's really how
Speaker 1: that product came to be. It was like how do
Speaker 1: I fulfill all those needs? Um which is usually where
Speaker 1: I start. I'm like, I'm looking for something that makes
Speaker 1: me feel like this, so like what would be the
Speaker 1: ingredient profile of that? And that the ingredient profile turned
Speaker 1: out to be something that I like, tremendously love, which
Speaker 1: are oils. And then I ended up putting pigment inside
Speaker 1: the oils, and then I was like what is this?
Speaker 1: Like this is like pigment in the oil, it's face oil,
Speaker 1: and it's tinted, so it's tinted face oil. And that's
Speaker 1: like how it was named. And you have a new
Speaker 1: serum deodorant. Yes, I never I never ever thought of
Speaker 1: putting those two words together. So could you tell us
Speaker 1: what it is and how you thought that? Totally so
Speaker 1: similarly to the foundation thing, Like, I had this issue
Speaker 1: which was that I have very strong BO and smells
Speaker 1: terrible and ripe and insane, and um, I wanted to
Speaker 1: like not have BO. I mean, it was really like,
Speaker 1: it's really actually that simple. I want to not have BO.
Speaker 1: I had started to hear about like I've been I've
Speaker 1: been looking for things all over the place, Like I
Speaker 1: had tried baking soda on my armfits burned my armpits
Speaker 1: and turned them black. I had tried. I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: maybe if you do like a few drops of lemon
Speaker 1: juice and like some tea tree oil, like that will
Speaker 1: be the thing that you know is like so anti
Speaker 1: microbial that you won't have BeO. None of those things worked.
Speaker 1: I've tried several different kinds of things, fennel oil. Um.
Speaker 1: I then like caught wind of people putting h a
Speaker 1: toners on their armpits and this was like changing the
Speaker 1: game for their BO. So I started doing it too,
Speaker 1: and I was like, wait, what there was this first
Speaker 1: day that I did it, and I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't I smelled my own armpit. I'm gonna do it
Speaker 1: right now. I do it all the time. Now. I'm
Speaker 1: now now that I use my own theater, and I'm
Speaker 1: obsessed with among my armpit because I know what my
Speaker 1: actual real armpits smells like. I know what my own
Speaker 1: essence smells like, and I like it. I think it's
Speaker 1: pleasant when it doesn't have any b O. And that's
Speaker 1: what I started to experience. So I was like, I
Speaker 1: have to figure out how to really, like, you know,
Speaker 1: make this safe and great for armpits. And um, that's
Speaker 1: how that was formulated, and it was a Serumi texture
Speaker 1: and therefore it's a Serum deodorant. I do want to
Speaker 1: ask you the same question I asked to everyone I
Speaker 1: have on this podcast, What does beauty mean to you? Beauty?
Speaker 1: Beauty to me is like an entire, whole life lived experience.
Speaker 1: It's like a collection of things that make you love
Speaker 1: looking in the mirror but also make you feel really
Speaker 1: good and make you feel, to me like the favorite
Speaker 1: version of yourself. Like if I were to close my
Speaker 1: eyes and picture myself in my own perfection, which is
Speaker 1: such a thing that comes like we are born. We
Speaker 1: are all born that way. It's such a thing that
Speaker 1: comes from all your thoughts and feelings and who you
Speaker 1: are on the inside. And I focus deeply on the
Speaker 1: things that I love about myself. What are the ways
Speaker 1: and things in my life that really support me showing
Speaker 1: up as my favorite version of myself? And that's how
Speaker 1: I see beauty. And what's your health routine? Like, my
Speaker 1: health routine is very human, um, and it's like totally
Speaker 1: based on doing things that make me feel like my
Speaker 1: favorite version of myself. So um. I like in terms
Speaker 1: of eating, I would call myself balanced. Like I love food,
Speaker 1: and dinner is my favorite meal of the day by far,
Speaker 1: and I love like a full dinner and like the
Speaker 1: full ritual of it and everything. I think that's such
Speaker 1: a like heartwarming time of day for me. Um. And
Speaker 1: then the rest of the time, I eat almost the
Speaker 1: same thing all the time. And I also like, so
Speaker 1: I like eats a lot of healthy things. And then
Speaker 1: I eat like cookies and candy and I drink wine
Speaker 1: because I like them. They make me feel good. I
Speaker 1: love that. I love that. I would I would call
Speaker 1: it intuitive eating, totally intuitive eating. I very much like
Speaker 1: listen to what I want and then I of it,
Speaker 1: and then I feel awesome about it, Like that's the
Speaker 1: one thing that I like to throw away, which is
Speaker 1: like any feeling of guilt. And what do you do
Speaker 1: for fun? I think the thing that I do the
Speaker 1: most for fun those I spending time with my friends.
Speaker 1: It's like spending time with friends just talking, like there's
Speaker 1: nothing more fun to me than that. And last question,
Speaker 1: is there one product you cannot live without anything in
Speaker 1: the world. Oh my god, there's like twenty I could
Speaker 1: not live without coffee. I'm with you on that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm with you on that. But I am really really
Speaker 1: happy to have met you and to listen to your journey,
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm excited to be back in the clean
Speaker 1: game and be you know, someone who you know could
Speaker 1: also be here for support if you ever need anything,
Speaker 1: I'm available because you know we're we're in this together.
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm happy to meet you, and I'm really
Speaker 1: proud of you and I can't wait to see what
Speaker 1: you Thank you so much, Bobby, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: It's really great to meet you. My pleasure. For more
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