WEBVTT - Flatliners with Matt McCarthy 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:03.360 On the Bechdel Cast, the questions asked if movies have 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:07.400 women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands? 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:13.160 Do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef invest start changing 0:00:13.200 --> 0:00:17.079 it with the Bechdel Cast. Hi, and welcome to the 0:00:17.079 --> 0:00:20.400 Bechdel Cast. My name is Caitlin, and we're having a 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:28.440 podcast today and every day. Yeah, I'm well, I'll tell 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:30.080 you what it is and then I'll go into I'm 0:00:30.080 --> 0:00:32.919 having a day. Um. The Bechtel Cast is a podcast 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:35.199 where we talk about the portrayal of women in movies. 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:38.440 Why do we do this, Well, it's just because a 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:42.040 lot of movies because don't portray women well. But really 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:44.879 it's just because just because we felt like it. The 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:48.440 Bechtel Cast is inspired by the Bechdel Test, which requires 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:51.400 that two women in a movie have names, they talked 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:54.400 to each other about something other than a man. And 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:58.360 we'll figure out whether this movie passes later on. But first, 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:01.560 but first, you're having a day. My car got towed 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:04.880 because I'm a fucking idiot and I parked in front 0:01:04.880 --> 0:01:07.959 of a driveway that I didn't realize was a driveway 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:10.360 because it had like a big gate over in it, 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:11.960 and it just looked like a fence, and I didn't 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:15.000 see that it was a driveway. Uh so I got 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:17.080 my car towed. I still don't know where it is. 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:19.360 I don't even know how to locate it. So I 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:21.440 think I just don't have a car anymore. I'm having 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:24.720 a day and it feels like a good day to die. WHOA, 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:31.440 WHOA into the movie we're talking about, which is Flatliners. 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:34.759 But before we get into it, let's introduce our guests. 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:38.319 You've seen him on Conan, You've seen him on Adam 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:42.080 Ruins Everything. He hosts a podcast called We Watch Wrestling. 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:48.200 Matt McCarthy, Hello, Hello, thank you for joining us on 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:51.760 this wonderful day that I'm having. Hey man, that ain't 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:54.360 your fault, Yeah, and it's kind of it was my fault. 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:56.400 What's gonna talk? Because like, I'm gonna have to pay 0:01:56.840 --> 0:02:00.360 several hundred dollars to get it untowed. You know? Is 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:03.200 my mistake worth several hundred dollars? I don't think so, 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:05.640 but that's how much it'll probably cost. I think it's 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:09.120 worth it, because, after all, you just paid off your car, right. 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:11.120 Think of how many people just think of it as 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:14.200 this month's car payment. Well, Is it worth it to 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:17.160 get my car? Yes, of course, I'm saying, is the 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:20.800 mistake I made? Should my punish maybe several hundred dollars 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:22.160 that I have to pay. We think of all the 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:25.120 people that benefit from that money, either the county and 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:28.760 the tow truck people. They have kids too. You just 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:32.520 bought the tow truck person's family, you know, groceries. My 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:36.200 money was going to like the Southern Poverty Law Center 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:41.600 or to like help alleviate homelessness in Los Angeles. Fine, 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:44.040 but it's not going to go to those things. Oh, 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:46.760 I guess tow truck drivers should just eat out of 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:49.200 the garbage can and live on the street. I understand 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:53.720 they can tow away dumpsters for dinner that night. Is 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:56.200 that what you're saying. That's not what I'm saying. Their 0:02:56.320 --> 0:02:59.840 daughters don't deserve to go to dance classes. Caitlinda nor 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:02.560 all right, well, I don't like where this is gone. Sorry, 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:05.520 you're having a bad day and everyone's getting up on you. 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:08.320 You did a good thing today. You're you're participating in 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:13.760 the economy. You're giving back. Yeah, you're literally giving back. Yeah, 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:16.000 you get to go to an impound Now, I don't 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:18.360 get would you when? Would you ever ever get to 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:23.240 do that? That's right. Maybe they'll be an experience. Maybe 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:27.720 maybe you'll meet my future domestic partner there, because I'm 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:30.120 not getting married ever. A lot of a lot of 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:34.280 sexy singles hang out at the impound lone, that's true. Yeah, 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:38.960 all right, let's talk about Flatliners. Matt When did you 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:40.760 see this movie for the first time? And what's your 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:44.600 relationship to this movie. Well, it's interesting because this is 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:48.920 I was terrified of scary movies and TV shows when 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:54.960 I was a kid, well into you know. Well, it's 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:57.640 like when here's like a good example and excuse my language, 0:03:57.680 --> 0:03:59.960 but I want to get the quote right. When Michael 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:03.680 Jackson died, my cousin called my brother and said, hey, Michael, 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:06.360 asked your brother if he still cries like a bitch 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:11.280 when Thriller comes on the TV. So the Thriller music 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:16.880 video was scared? Oh my god. Yeah, yeah, I was scary. Yeah, 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:19.880 I had booky. I was so scared of well, I 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:23.240 was five when it came out, Like the Hogan Family 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:29.000 Halloween episode where all three brothers have nightmares. Scared me 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:33.880 so much I unplugged the TV. Yeah, so you saw 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:38.920 this movie made you very scared. Well, no, because this 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:43.640 was I saw this growing up. I watched Flatliners alone 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:46.320 and it scared the hell out of me. But it 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:50.200 has like a happy ending, like everything gets resolved. It 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:52.440 was the first scary movie I watched that. I was like, 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:55.880 I'm not scared afterwards or tonight going to bed, because 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:58.159 it was like there was a resolution and everybody was 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:05.000 one technically everyone but Oliver Plat die. I know, what 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:08.599 a whimp. God, I have a lot of He was 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:15.040 also part that could have been. Yeah, Oliver Platt was 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:20.040 born forty six years old. I don't know if so 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:21.600 if this came out ninety, I must have seen it. 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:25.120 In so I was like eleven, Jamie, what about you? 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:27.200 When did you see it? Last night? When I am 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:31.040 and I enjoyed it. I liked it. It was fun. 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:32.839 I think a lot of it was fun for me, 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:36.880 just because I love watching the Schumacher tropes. Just roll 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:39.720 on in. Do you mean? Like, well, I don't know 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:42.440 if this is a Schumacher trope, but the production design 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:46.080 in this movie, specifically the lighting, Yes, I think it's 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:52.760 so fucking corny. I think it like, yeah, it all 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:55.480 is sort of wit like a high school die trying 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:59.159 to be David Lynch. Yes, it looked like I was. 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:01.240 I watched it before where I came here, and it 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:03.359 was one of the scenes where Keifer Sutherland is in 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:07.600 his outrageous apartment with no furniture, and I go, it's 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:11.119 just it's a fucking music video. It's so music video 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:13.479 the whole movie. Well, they go to med school in 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:17.400 an art museum, in a museum that's under renovation, which 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:20.240 he thinks that they would address at any point, but 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:23.680 they never. Everywhere they go is either closed for the night, 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:26.560 like the diner, all the chairs are up, but they're 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:29.320 they're in there with one matress ripping cigarettes. Well, I 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:32.799 assumed that this movie took place in some alternative timeline, 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:35.360 but then they make all these very of the moment 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:37.719 references that it's like, oh no, they're just supposed to 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:43.680 be in Chicago. What's the used to because someone says 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:45.960 kind of Bacon says that he was on the l 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:48.000 or something right right and now, and then I was 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:49.960 just like, Okay, now I know, but it could out 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:54.520 to our Chicago fans and starting in the movie, Chicago, 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:57.080 not anyone who lives in Chicago. Yeah, yeah, people who 0:06:57.120 --> 0:07:01.680 really love Richard your singing voice. This episodes dedicated to you. Yeah, 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:04.720 and the way that Joel Shoemaker styles it just looks 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:09.160 like like there's literally steam everywhere outside just the city 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:12.040 is just taking a long fart for the entire but 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:14.880 no one is there, like it's totally a band. Like 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:16.560 I thought that they were going to address like, oh 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:20.840 this is Chicago. If if everyone left, it was very strange. Well, 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:24.840 there's also the scene where Julie Robert's character is tending 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:27.560 to that very elderly woman who's on her deathbed and 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:30.400 they're the hospital that they're in, like it looks like 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:36.200 a World War two era Like, yes, it archaic looking, 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:37.880 you know the hospital scene and Gone with the Wind 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:40.040 reminded me of that, like just like a right, like 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:42.520 it's a makeshift hospital that got set up in the 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:46.040 hallway of someone's mansion. Yeah, it looks dirty. It doesn't 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:48.840 look like the production design is bonkers in this movie. 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:51.640 But yeah, I had not seen this movie. Either I 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:53.960 thought I did, or maybe it's just because I it 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:56.520 had been recommended to me so often and explained to 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:58.520 me like what the premise was that I was like, yeah, 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:00.440 I know this movie I must have. Then I watched 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:02.520 I was like, whoops, I've never seen it, but I 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:05.720 watched it twice. Generally I liked it, except I hate 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:08.840 the third act. I hate how it ends. The resolution 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:11.200 is so stupid, and I'll get into it later, but 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:13.400 it kind of ruined the whole movie for me. The 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:16.960 way the third act unfolds. I think the whole movie 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:19.240 is like I don't know, It's like I enjoyed watching it, 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:23.480 but it is very boring, where it's like, like, what 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:26.200 could you learn by watching this whole movie that you 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:28.440 couldn't take away by just watching the trailer, you know, 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:32.240 like they die over and over. I remember the bits 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:34.760 that were in the commercials of so many movies. So 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:36.800 as soon as Oliver plaqueas I didn't go to medical 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:39.640 school to help my classmates die or something like that, 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:41.840 that was I was like, Oh, that wasn't the commercial. 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:45.240 That was big time And today is a good day 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:47.920 to die. Of course, it's the best line in the movie, 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:50.000 and it's the first line of dialogue and it's all 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:53.240 downhill from there. The last line in the movies by 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:56.360 far the worst. It's not it's it's not such a 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:59.920 good day to turns out I was yeah, and then 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:03.040 just tuba music plays out there. I like the idea, 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:05.960 I like the story, but I mean the execution. I 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:12.360 don't like Joel Schuemaker movies. Shout out to my Phantom heads. I, well, 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:13.640 I don't know how to First of all, I like 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:19.680 the incredible shrinking woman. I haven't seen that I've seen ole. 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:24.200 I I just met met downstairs, and I did what 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:27.120 I do when I don't know how to start a conversation, 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:29.199 which is a bring up. Joel Schuewalker is the Fantom 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:31.360 of the Opera. Yeah, no, the number twenty three is 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:33.319 probably the worst movie I've ever seen. So that one's 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:35.520 very bad. That one's very I forgot that was a 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:39.000 Joel Schumaker joint Family of the Opera. Two guys for 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:41.680 cannot wait to cover it in a future episode. Shout 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:43.920 out to Jerry Butler, should have been your breakout roll. 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:47.160 Too bad you cannot sing? That was really the only 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:51.400 thing that in everything about the movie. Anyways. Shout out 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:54.640 to my Shoewalker heads. Joel shoe Walker is mediocre in 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:57.360 a very special way because he's trying, like he's going 0:09:57.480 --> 0:10:00.920 for so much and none of it is like clearly, 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:07.440 I totally agree, Like he doesn't pay off Batman. He 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:10.040 put nipples on Batman, which is maybe the most famous 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:13.120 thing he's ever definite, and you can tell he's like 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:17.400 trying to go for David Lynch kind of it just 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:23.200 totally fails, but it fails spectacularly. Like the first I 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:26.360 can't remember exactly how many times it like six times 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:29.200 total that people die in this movie either way, the 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:32.680 first three just look like he took a clip from 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:38.000 like a discarded David Lynch short. And then eventually you 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:40.360 go to Kevin Bacon's and then it looks like, oh, 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:44.520 his version of death is a screensaver, you know, like 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:48.000 everyone's version of death is just like it's, oh God, 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:53.160 it's it's bad. Well, why not use this opportunity to 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:57.280 do the recap? Okay, here I go FLATLINERDS. It's got 0:10:57.320 --> 0:10:59.959 a bit of an ensemble cast, but our main character 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:03.600 is Nelson played by Keefer Sutherland, and he is a 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:07.320 med student along with four fellow at school students who 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:10.480 go to again school in an art museum in an 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:16.160 empty building, and he's interested in seeing what might be 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:18.120 out there after death, like if they're sort of a 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:20.160 life after death or what happens where you go, and 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:23.000 he's interested in exploring this, so he and all his 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:28.679 med school friends basically they medically kill themselves for like first, 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:30.320 it's like a minute or a minute a half or 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:32.720 something like that, and then they keep going for longer 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:38.040 and longer, but they're betting too, yeah, longer, So after 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:41.360 they've been dead for a minute or so, then they 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:43.480 revived them and they have to give him a shot 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:46.280 of morphine and do their defibrillators and all that stuff, 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:56.560 and they she's back mouth to mouth like this, only 0:11:56.600 --> 0:11:59.080 the sexy characters get to give mouth to mouth. I 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:02.760 turned it turned that day is a Schumacher rule. If 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:06.480 you're not in the top three most fuckable characters per 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:08.880 the story, you're not going to be given mouth to mouth. 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:11.160 You're not going to have mouth to mouth administered to you. 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:16.320 Oliver Platt, no way. Everyone else, literally everyone else in 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:18.760 the cast takes their shirt off at some point, except, 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:23.719 of course, it goes without saying that. It turns out, 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:25.760 I've seen a lot of movies that Oliver Plats, and 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:27.480 he's a character actor. He's in a lot of stuff, 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:29.880 and you just don't realize that till later. I have 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:32.920 a huge crush on him now, he's my favorite person. 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:36.120 He's in a time to kill another Schulmacher or ship show. 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:39.160 I don't know that I've actually seen any Joel Schumacher 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:43.680 movies besides this the number twenty three Batman boys. I 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:46.240 haven't seen last one. Wow, did you see saying almost fire? No? 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:50.560 I've seen almost no movies for someone falling down? Yes? Yeah? 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:53.520 Do you ever see falling Down? No? Wow? What's it 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:57.000 about it about falling out? Like? Kind of a cool premise, 0:12:57.080 --> 0:13:00.559 but like again, poorly execute. Everything is wasted until Schumacher 0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:05.959 goes without saying, well back to all I had to say, 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:09.320 I'll replet all for Billina easily could have played this part, 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:12.760 but I'll reply, did a great job. Go ahead and 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:15.080 agree with that. I've gound to make some charts with 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:17.880 the Platt Molina dichotomy. This is like opened up sort 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:21.000 of a new All the performances in the movie are good. Yeah, 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:24.319 everyone's good. Keif for Sutherland plays the best key for 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:28.200 Southerlan and I've ever seen keeper? How does he have 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:31.360 time to be a full time medical student, constantly dying 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:36.480 and maintain his bleached roots? I love his hair in 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:40.000 this movie, it's bananas and not even Frosty Tips, just 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:45.600 Frosty Jack frost Key for frost Baby. Bacon's great. Yeah, 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:51.080 Bacon shines even uh Billy Baldwin. Even I was like, Okay, 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:52.960 it's weird. It's like like how he's supposed to be 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:56.640 like the hot man, Like how hot he is. There's 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:58.720 a lot of Yeah, there's a lot of like hot 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:01.679 lady men with very different phases, which I feel like 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:04.120 doesn't happen anymore, Like everyone has the same face. Billy 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:09.400 Baldwin's big movie after this Sliver with Sharon Stone, I 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:12.720 still have never seen it again. It's like the voyeuristic 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:16.400 thing of like videotaping sex and people in hotels who 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:18.600 don't know that being videotaped in that whole thing. That's 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:21.440 just the vibe gives off. He seems like he'd be 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:24.480 taping like don't get into bed with this man. I love. 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:28.800 Love is not the word, but the look Billy Baldwin 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:32.600 gives his own camera while fucking for him to watch 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:37.080 later of him smirking at you're just like smirking at himself. 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:41.520 Here's no doubt mast He's like, yeah, what's up, future me? 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:45.040 And also if he is. Okay, just from a logistical obviously, 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:48.560 almost everything Billy Baldwin does is illegal in this movie, 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:51.800 and it's sort of sometimes played for humor, which like 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:56.960 perfect it's like Oliver Platt, but he also says, what 0:14:57.040 --> 0:15:02.440 pussy marauder? Right, that's great. But Billy Baldwin logistically, he 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:05.000 knows he's filming this, he knows the angle. Presumably he 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:07.480 set it up that, but it's still it's always angle 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:11.360 that his it's missionary. He's like he's looking at his 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:15.800 own ascid face. Who rights not. Yeah, we didn't really 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:17.400 think that through. I don't think no, I think he 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:19.680 did the gime and he just wants to watch it himself. 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:24.120 Fuck I think. And also you know, it's like Kevin 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:27.280 Bacon and Kiefer they like make amends in it. He doesn't. 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:30.200 He just kind of gets busted. Well that's done. That 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:33.920 was the point I during the discussion. So just holding, 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:39.640 are we still recapping the Sorry? Sorry I screwed up 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:42.320 the recap by explaining something that happened in the movie. 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:50.720 And also cute So first Nelson he'd kill himself. Okay, 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:56.640 good Simpsons reference. Thank you. I love the recap I'm 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:58.520 telling you it's the best part of the episode. It 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:02.200 always takes four uh and I'm not sorry. So anyway, 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:05.760 Nelson is the first one to die see what happens 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:09.280 after death, and then Billy Baldwin and his vision he 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:15.400 likes he's like a lot of video, Robert Palmer music video. 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:19.360 And then Julie Roberts character Dr. Mannus is like, I 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:21.400 want to go next, and Kevin Bacon is like, no, me, 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:23.040 and they sort of get into this bidding more and 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:26.840 then then we have a crash in each other rights. 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:32.400 And then Kevin Bacon's character goes next. His name is 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:36.880 David Labrashio, which when you read it out it sort 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:40.280 of looks like lab rat almost but with like sees 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:46.840 and I'm like, what a fun, purposeful and whoever. Like, 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:48.800 that's like one of those moms where you see something 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:51.440 so cute either you're just like, oh, the screenwriter is 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:56.080 jerking himself off right now. He's so fucking proud of himself, right, 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:58.000 He's like, people thirty years from now we're going to 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:00.440 see that and be like, oh, my fucking god, what 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:03.080 a smart guy. Yeah, I sure did. Oh yeah. And 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:06.000 Billy Baldwin's character is Dr Joe Hurley, and he makes 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:09.840 you hurl the land. He has no first name or 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:12.800 last name. It's just some of the other characters are 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:15.719 like on IMDb are listed as like doctor rachel Man 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:20.000 as doctor Joe Hurley, but he's just Nelson. Are we 0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:22.280 to believe he's not a doctor? Well, they're all in 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:25.960 medical school, alright, they're not doctors. I don't know what 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:29.000 I think about this movie. Also, the first scene, Kevin 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:33.600 Bacon isn't in this movie. He's scaling a building because 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:36.040 he gets kicked out of school and he's not allowed 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:38.800 to use the doors. He's suspended for four months. So 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:41.080 he decides to rick like he had to go on 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:43.520 to the roof of the building first to ring up 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:47.320 the ropes to then like scale the building, climbs out 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:50.680 of a second story. When they're make a casual conversation, 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:53.480 who are you a back you next semester? And Kevin 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:56.040 Bacon scaling, but he's like, it doesn't matter, I'd do 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:59.280 the same thing again, which is which is what you understand? 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:01.840 What why? He sort of intervened with like a patient 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:03.680 came in who was dying and they needed to save 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:05.560 her life, and he sort of intervened, was like, I'm 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:07.160 going to do this, and I think he saved her, 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:09.840 but he was like out a line, or he shouldn't 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:14.920 have done it, or he didn't follow procedures done it. Yeah, 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:18.000 so he gets suspended from school. Couldn't be further apart. 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:21.320 Keith's on the ground and and Kevin's on the building, 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:23.440 and then as soon as he lands, it's like extreme 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:26.720 close up, extreme close up. There's a lot of weird 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:29.639 tight shots in this movie, one of my favorites. Well, 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:33.600 let recap, get through this recap, and then we can Sorry, 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:38.159 Kevin began just entered. We've we've gone back about a 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:41.359 half that we've rewinded. I'm going to fast forward again. Finally, 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:46.760 it's Julia Roberts character's turn and he goes, which sounds 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:53.120 like again there's that screenwriter drinking himself off. And then 0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:56.640 the visions that they have as they have been dead 0:18:56.680 --> 0:18:58.840 for these few minutes, they're trying to make sense of 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:00.399 them and they're like, well, I did see something I 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:03.159 don't know what. And then like meanwhile, Kevin Bacon's He's like, 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:07.480 I'm an atheist, but I saw something I don't know 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:10.920 And then these sort of visions start to come back 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:13.800 and like kind of haunt them and torment them, and 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:16.840 you realize they're all things from these people's past, sins 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:19.080 that they've committed, or something that they feel guilty or 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:21.880 responsible for, and they start to come back and torment them. 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:25.560 And especially bad for Nelson because you find out that 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:28.840 he bullied a kid to death, and he's like, oh no, 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:33.119 and this this kid by mahoney, I didn't even have 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:37.040 to rewatch the movie today. Remember, Remember, sometimes I'll see 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:39.080 a kid in like a red hooded sweatshirt with the 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:41.800 hood up and I go, Billy, mahoney, Well, here's the 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:45.359 thing I wanted to mention. So remember when Nelson's in 0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:48.560 Kevin Bacon's truck. They're out in the woods and he's 0:19:48.600 --> 0:19:51.120 just sitting there and you see a little like kid 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:53.640 with the red hood up scurry by. Do you think 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:57.720 that's a nod to the Donald Sutherland movie Don't look 0:19:57.760 --> 0:20:03.440 now saying they that little person? Well, consider he's buying 0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:06.439 the red considering it's Joel Schumacher and he's made a 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:14.359 career of ripping off other movies. Yes, I wonder you know, 0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:17.480 He's like, how funny would it be if Key for 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:20.720 Sutherland and we did this like visual nod to a 0:20:20.920 --> 0:20:24.959 Donald Sutherland movie. That's the god how annoying for key 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:29.320 for something. So I can't make one fucking movie. So 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:31.439 I had I had a note in in in my 0:20:31.480 --> 0:20:33.560 movie notes to make a point to look up later. 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:37.040 I just remembered, Uh, it says Billy Mahoney today hot 0:20:37.160 --> 0:20:41.480 or not? And I just did the appropriate Google searches 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:47.000 answer not. But he's doing very well. He is a 0:20:47.040 --> 0:20:51.680 principal and portfolio manager at Argyle Capital Partners. Good for him, 0:20:52.359 --> 0:20:55.960 and he still uses hair gel and he's in l A. 0:20:56.280 --> 0:20:58.800 Let's call him up. Let's call let's call this guy up, 0:20:59.040 --> 0:21:02.920 Billy Mahoney. It's his real name, Joshua Rudoy. Boy. Can 0:21:02.920 --> 0:21:05.880 that kid wheeled a hockey stick? Yeah? That's fun. Yeah. 0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:08.160 So this kid beats the ship out of Keeper Sutherland 0:21:08.160 --> 0:21:11.560 a few times and in the most evil dead too 0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:14.080 way where it's just he finally gets him and then 0:21:14.119 --> 0:21:21.440 it's just slapstick fighting and likes the loogie in his mouth. Yeah, 0:21:21.600 --> 0:21:22.840 that was the only point in the movie where I 0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:26.360 had to look away. That was an extended loogie. Yeah, 0:21:26.400 --> 0:21:29.400 it was. It was gross. So then this kid's tormenting 0:21:29.480 --> 0:21:31.840 him and you find out it's because he bullied him 0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:33.959 and he fell out of a tree and died hit 0:21:34.000 --> 0:21:36.240 him in the head with a rock, and everyone else 0:21:36.560 --> 0:21:41.520 like trying to everyone else is like sort of taking 0:21:41.720 --> 0:21:45.240 measures to correct the wrongs that they did in their past. 0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:47.960 That are what's great is when the when Billy Mahoney dies, 0:21:48.119 --> 0:21:51.119 Like the two kids that are with Keefer are like, oh, dude, 0:21:51.280 --> 0:21:55.480 what the fuck the last rock? They also like, you 0:21:55.640 --> 0:21:59.680 did that, dude, and it paralyzes that dog and the 0:22:01.119 --> 0:22:04.600 ham hamp It's like fun, how like half that out. 0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:06.400 A lot of these plot points are because the only 0:22:06.440 --> 0:22:09.679 reason Julia Roberts thinks that it's her fault that her 0:22:09.720 --> 0:22:12.119 dad died is because her mom turns to her and 0:22:12.119 --> 0:22:17.359 it's very dramatically like it's your right, Like her whole life, 0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:19.879 she thought she killed her dad by walking in on 0:22:20.000 --> 0:22:22.320 him in the bathroom. But yeah, but it's like that 0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:26.560 doesn't make it, doesn't He runs out of the bathroom 0:22:26.680 --> 0:22:28.359 and I mean, I get from a five year olds 0:22:28.400 --> 0:22:31.920 perspective how that would feel like it was. Well, Also, 0:22:32.040 --> 0:22:36.639 mom flat out set up, so he's like, well, I 0:22:36.720 --> 0:22:38.920 have to make amends, and he thinks that the only 0:22:38.920 --> 0:22:43.920 way to do that is to go back under Nelson's like, yeah, 0:22:43.960 --> 0:22:47.280 I gotta go kill myself again because Billy's also dead, 0:22:47.600 --> 0:22:49.560