1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of I 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:13,319 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, 3 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,319 Speaker 1: and there's Chuck and Jerry's here too, And this is 4 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: stuff you should know. That's right. This is about Land 5 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: Acknowledgements and Libya, one of our awesome writers, helped us 6 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: put this together. And I was just noticing the other 7 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 1: day when we're uh, when we're thinking about topics and 8 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:38,639 Speaker 1: who should tackle them, it feels like everyone has I mean, 9 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: everyone can do everything, but like some feel like this 10 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: should be so and so because it just feels like 11 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: a fit and a new Libya this would be a 12 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: great fit for her, and she did a killer job 13 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: because this is a tough one. Land Acknowledgements is a 14 00:00:55,800 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: uh controversial thing, mainly because of the ukeyness in which 15 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: it's carried out In most cases, Boy, you just said 16 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: a mouthful friend. Yeah, so Land Acknowledgements. If you don't 17 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: know what we're talking about, um, if you've possibly ever 18 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: been to a Montreal Canadians game in character, I just 19 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: I show up at a concert at a large venue 20 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:24,119 Speaker 1: in Canada. I'm going to see uh uh, the reunion 21 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: of of of Poison and Everyboddy cc deville and I 22 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: met the the Enormo Dome and someone that looks like 23 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: you walks out with a microphone before the show and go, okay, 24 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 1: we acknowledge that this poison show is about to take 25 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: place on First Nation's Land. Who were excellent stewards of 26 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: this land and on with the show, perfect bad example. Yes, 27 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: that was supposed to be bad. That wasn't just me. Yeah, 28 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: and that's the last time we're gonna laugh in this episode. Disagree. 29 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: We always say that, and then there's something funny that 30 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: comes up. But it is a very it's a serious 31 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: topic because it's something that hasn't been figured out. It's 32 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: still very contemporary, it's still very raw. It rouses a 33 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 1: lot of emotions. It's a um one of the one 34 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: of those spear points of the spear of like the 35 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: culture wars in America and from what I gathered Canada 36 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: as well in Australia, New Zealand probably yeah um. But 37 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: the whole point of the land acknowledgement is to basically say, like, hey, 38 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: this land was probably stolen, It was probably taken from 39 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: broken treaty. The people who originally lived here are probably 40 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: forced off the land. Um, there's still in terrible shape 41 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,239 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways today compared to their white 42 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: or black or Latin X or Asian um counterparts in 43 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: this country. Um. And you know, we should probably do 44 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,399 Speaker 1: something about that. At the very least, we should acknowledge 45 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: it and like keep them from getting erased from history. 46 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: And it's in its ideal form, that's what a land 47 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: acknowledgement is. But the problem is is like there's a 48 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: lot of people out there, especially who are probably right 49 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: of center, who don't want to hear that kind of stuff. 50 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: They don't like that a's snowflakes stuff. There are people 51 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: left of center who are like that is the most 52 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 1: vapid thing I've ever heard. It makes no difference whatsoever. 53 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: And the fact that you're even saying it makes things 54 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: worse than if you didn't say anything at all, Like 55 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: go back and go just go away. Um. And there's 56 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: the people who are actually doing these land acknowledgements who 57 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: very frequently are like corporate hr reps you know who 58 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: who are who are doing it to like, you know, 59 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: whitewash their company's activities elsewhere. Um, it's just a mixed bag. 60 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: But yet the reason why it's important is because there's 61 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: some kernel there that's that that is important, that that 62 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: makes sense, that makes it worthwhile and worth exploring and 63 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: not just tearing down, not just going ahead and doing 64 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: you know, wrote but actually like using it as a 65 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: jumping off point for like, you know, kind of re 66 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: exploring and revisiting history and then hopefully, um, creating redress 67 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: to that history. Yeah. Boy, well said it was off 68 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:20,239 Speaker 1: the cuff. You mean you wrote it down in your cuff. Yeah, 69 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: and read it. Yes, and I'm wearing my very nice 70 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: little or fanany cufflinks. It's very nice. She was staring 71 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: back at me admiringly the whole time. Alright, So we 72 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: should dive into a little bit of the history here, 73 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: because if you go to Australia, um, you know, thousands 74 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 1: of years ago, you would find something called welcome to 75 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: country ceremony from indigenous people, which was sort of a 76 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: protocol diplomatic protocol where a nation or a tribe would 77 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: visit another person's land and they would the people that 78 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: hosted them would have a welcome to country ceremony. It 79 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: might have been a poem or a saw long. There 80 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: might have been a smoking ceremony. You know what I'm saying. 81 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: And in the mid nineteen seventies, white Australians started getting 82 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: into this idea in this practice. And it was that 83 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: year in nineteen seventy six, there was a group of 84 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: Maori and Cook Islander dancers who were coming. They were 85 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: invited to come to a performance, a multicultural dance performance 86 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 1: in Perth at the International Arts Festival there and they said, 87 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: you know what, We're not gonna come unless we are 88 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: welcomed by the traditional owners of this land. Uh. In 89 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy six they said this, And it was a 90 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: performer named Richard Wally UH and a member of And boy, 91 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna do my best with these pronunciations. 92 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: I really really tried this time and looked everything up 93 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: because part of you know, the problem with a bad 94 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: land acknowledgment is some dumb white person mispronouncing the name 95 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 1: of a tribe or indigenous person like this. UH. Do 96 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 1: you want to give a go on this one? You? 97 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: This is your section, all right? I And you know 98 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: the troublesome part about the internet, as you can find 99 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: different pronunciations. But what I landed on was was in 100 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: Western Australia, these were the UH younger people, very nice. 101 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: Chuck spelled n y o O n g a R. 102 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: So they all agreed that this should happen. They got 103 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: permission from the elders and he welcomed the visitors and 104 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,799 Speaker 1: this was Richard Wally uh in that language and sang 105 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 1: a song from their people. Yeah. And Richard Wally was 106 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: a member of that that those people, so he you know, 107 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: there was a there was a legitimacy to him performing this, 108 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: this welcome to country ceremony, welcoming these dancers who very 109 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,119 Speaker 1: rightfully and very traditionally said we're we can't really step 110 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: foot in Perth unless we're welcomed, like that's just custom. Um. 111 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: And so it's very interesting to me that you can 112 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: races phenomenon back to one arts festival in Perth in 113 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: nine six and this one incident, this one happening, and 114 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: it just kind of spread from there. Um. It didn't 115 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: like spread like wildfire or anything like that. It was 116 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,239 Speaker 1: pretty sedate. Um, it was wrapped up in like midnight 117 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: oil stuff. Throughout the eighties, you know, that kind of 118 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: radical politics, I guess you could say, um to where 119 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: probably people on the first left were the ones who 120 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: were carrying out welcome to Country ceremonies are having those 121 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: UM performed at their events. And then in the nineties, 122 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: UM Australia really started to kind of like self reflected 123 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: its history of its treatment of Aboriginal UM Australians and UM. 124 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: One of the things that kind of came out of 125 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: that that self reflection was this this idea that Welcome 126 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: to Country ceremonies were like a really great way of 127 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: honoring this heritage and UM kind of bringing Aboriginal culture 128 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: back into Australian society where it had been so you know, 129 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: zealously pushed out for so long. Yeah, and this sort 130 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: of morphed over, I guess between the seventies and the 131 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: nineties in Australia to where the Welcome UH to country 132 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: was in some cases replaced by a land acknowledgement or 133 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: an acknowledgement of country, which would and this was in 134 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: the beginning days, would be a short speech, like we said, 135 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:29,239 Speaker 1: it would recognize the traditional landowners that were local UH. 136 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: And in the eighties and nineties it was sometimes an 137 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: Indigenous person doing this, sometimes a non Indigenous person doing this, 138 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: and eventually the National Indigenous Australians Agency UH came up 139 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: with UM basically some guidelines, right. Yeah, they basically said, 140 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: like that whole welcome to country thing, like, do not 141 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: do that unless you're an indigenous person. And if you're 142 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: an indigenous person, you should only be doing it if 143 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,599 Speaker 1: it's you know, your people's land that this event is 144 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 1: being held on. If you're non indigenous or you're indigenous 145 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: but not a member of the land, what you'd be 146 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 1: doing is an acknowledgement of country, which is just basically 147 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:12,319 Speaker 1: like what you would call the land acknowledgement today, where 148 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,079 Speaker 1: you don't have to be indigenous, you just basically acknowledging 149 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 1: that the land, um, you know, was originally owned, inhabited, 150 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: trod upon, used, cared for by UH, an indigenous group 151 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: or if you want to really just kind of you know, 152 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: miss the whole thing to say indigenous people in general. 153 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: UH in Canada is where it took off in North 154 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: America first. And this is not that long ago. This 155 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: was about what seven years ago in Canada's Truth and 156 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: Reconciliation Commission released a big report that year basically addressing 157 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: the residential schools and the removal and we should do 158 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: at episode about this for sure, the removal of indigenous 159 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: children from their families and basically said this was a 160 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: cultural genesis. And this is when Justin Trudeau was coming 161 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: into office and he was really big on you know, 162 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: and during the campaign for sure on reconciliation with Indigenous 163 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: people is a big part of his platform and something 164 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 1: he wanted to get accomplished in office. Yeah. And so 165 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: like just like in Australia, the idea of land acknowledgements 166 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:25,439 Speaker 1: seemed to be a really good low hanging fruit um 167 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: as far as kind of reintroducing the presence of indigenous 168 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: First Nation people into Canadian society um and and you know, 169 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: not ignoring them, not erasing them history actually you know, 170 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: acknowledging them and in the past that that this that 171 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: took place here um or there in Canada. Um. But 172 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: the thing is that it also kind of like underscores 173 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: just how easy it is, which can be problematic as 174 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: we'll see too. Yeah for sure. Uh, you know, it 175 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: spread from Canada to the US. It trickled down south 176 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: in the late uh two thousand teens is how you 177 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: would say that, like two thousand seventeen, two thousand eighteen, 178 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: Uh seen the US Department of Arts and Culture, which 179 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: sounds like a government agency. But it's not. It's an 180 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: independent group. They published a guide to land acknowledgements for 181 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: the United States. Uh. The group's founder, Adam Horowitz, came 182 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 1: out and said that it was downloaded more than seven 183 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: thousand times. And uh, he said, one lonely beast ib 184 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: all by myself. I got nobody very nice and very 185 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: bad dad joke. I thought it was a great joke. 186 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: I didn't even think it was dad. I don't think 187 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 1: you can make a dad joke about the beast boys 188 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:51,199 Speaker 1: unless you had on your cuff. What was it? Can you? 189 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: Can you say your version the King ad Rock? That 190 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: is my name, and I know the fly spot where 191 00:11:55,559 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: they got the champagne. Uh. I taught my daughter a 192 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: line that was not something that a kid should say 193 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: when she was like four, and Emily was so mad 194 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:09,959 Speaker 1: at me. She was so afraid she was going to 195 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: say it in kindergarten. And I think she's forgotten him 196 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: by now. Uh. I'll tell you off the air. Okay, 197 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: sorry everybody for that tease. But now in the United 198 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: States you will find cities like Denver, Phoenix in Portlands 199 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: that have adopted these guidelines. The National Park Service has 200 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: NASA has you might have heard it at the Academy 201 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: Awards or the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade, or the Democratic 202 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 1: National Convention, not the Republican National Convention. Uh. And so 203 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 1: this is a thing that is kind of brand new. 204 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: If you look at a timeline over the past three 205 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: or four years, that America is treading into very gingerly, gingerly, 206 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: awkwardly keeps running into the doorframe, all sorts of different stuff. 207 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: And I think before we kind of go back into uh, 208 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: you know, why you would even do this and how 209 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: you would do it, I feel like we should take 210 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: a commercial break, let's do it. So. Um, there are 211 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: a number of recency to to use the land acknowledgement. 212 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: And again this is usually what opens your meeting, your conference. Um, 213 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: you know, like you could see it if you're in 214 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: a beautiful like conference hall in like the woods, in 215 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,439 Speaker 1: a kind of a beautiful remote area. I can totally 216 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:46,719 Speaker 1: see that. But I've also heard of these things being 217 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: used on like conference calls and just at regular meetings 218 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: in the city. UM. Just it's so it can get 219 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: kind of weird. But the overall point of it is 220 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 1: that if you are um, if you're not an indigenous person, 221 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: and you're reading a land acknowledgement, Supposedly you're thanking the 222 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:11,319 Speaker 1: the people of the who used to live there um 223 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: in pre colonial days, um for being stewards of the land. Um. 224 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: You probably also are, in some way, shape or form, 225 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: whether subtly or overtly, also acknowledging that violence is why 226 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: they don't live there anymore, um and violenced by the 227 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: um white colonists and and and or the federal government. 228 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: And then also, if you really want to make your 229 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: land acknowledgement pop, you can say, and this is how 230 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: how we can build connections to these people who have 231 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: been harmed and are still harmed um. And it can 232 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: get even more nuanced than deeper than that. Yeah. And 233 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: you know it's a mouthful to get up before your 234 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: your work conference and talk about people being raped and 235 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: murdered and displaced and treaties broken, and the fact that 236 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: the oppression of Indigenous Americans is ongoing and the problem 237 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: is far from solve, Like that's that's gonna put a 238 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: damper on whatever awesome energy you're trying to start with. 239 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: So it's a sales conference, Yeah, So it's people are 240 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: trying to figure out the best way to do that, 241 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: and sometimes, as we'll learn, it is a a shorter 242 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: acknowledgement where they will then point people to, hey, our 243 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: company has this website or a page on our site 244 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: properly so, uh, where you can really dive in and 245 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: learn about what we can do and this is what 246 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: our own company is doing, including hiring programs or training 247 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: programs with the people who once lived here. Uh. That 248 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: is the ideal, is that it's a you know there 249 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: there's actually something being done and it's not just words 250 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: being spoken. So you know, they're still trying to figure 251 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: this out. Who knows where it will end up, but 252 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: it's been a little clumsy so far, like you said, 253 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: bumping into doorways. And there are also other, like, um, 254 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: other reasons why people do land acknowledgements rather than just 255 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: kind of like make their their company look you know 256 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: with it or sympathetic or I was not going to 257 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: but yes you could use that word. One of them 258 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: is to to just show solidarity and support for the 259 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: idea of truth and reconciliation. To just say, like, oh, 260 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: you wanted to pump all the biffs and muffies up 261 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: to go sell a bunch of mufflers. Well, t s 262 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: because I'm going to suck the air out of this 263 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: room with this clunky Land acknowledgement, and it's gonna make 264 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: them think a lot more than this, you know, little 265 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: page that you guys have on your website that five 266 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: people are going to visit in the history of the internet, 267 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: you know. Um, So I think there are some people 268 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: who say, like, yeah, that's exactly what's supposed to be 269 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: is to kind of suck suck people into it. UM. 270 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: Also another big thing is to kind of um begin 271 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: to repair relationships between UM, American society and the indigenous 272 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: cultures that have kind of been pushed out of American 273 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: society and continue to be kept there. UM acknowledgement of 274 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 1: the fact that like the American government that a lot 275 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: of really terrible stuff to Indigenous people in addition to 276 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: enslave people in the past, and that just by talking 277 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 1: about it in random, weird places makes people think about it. 278 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: It keeps it from being a race. It actually does 279 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: the opposite of keeping it from being a racist kind 280 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 1: of scribbles it almost like graffiti into everyday life of people. UM. 281 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 1: A good Land acknowledgement could do that. So there's a 282 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,199 Speaker 1: lot of different reasons to do it beyond what I 283 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: think most people who are opposed to land acknowledgements accused 284 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: people doing that of which is morally performing. It's more 285 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 1: like exhibitionism is what a lot of people chat owing 286 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: you with, and it's it's not it's not supposed to 287 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: be at least that's right. Uh So, I guess we 288 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 1: could talk a little bit about how you go about 289 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 1: doing this to begin with the first thing that there's 290 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: something called the Native Governance Center, which is a nonprofit 291 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: Native led nonprofit that has resources for Native nations. And 292 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 1: you know it's a good place to start because they 293 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: will say, hey, if you go to do this, the 294 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,360 Speaker 1: first thing you should do is take a good hard 295 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: look in the mirror as a company, and why are 296 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: you doing this to begin with? And if your reason 297 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: is just too rattle off something so you appear to 298 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: be uh, forward thinking and acknowledging something and it's sort 299 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: of a blithe way, then that's not a good reason 300 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 1: to do it. After that, after you have made made 301 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: that right within yourself as a company and you want 302 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 1: to press forward, then you have to do some research 303 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: because you can't just open Wikipedia and say, oh this, uh, 304 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: the apple headquarters is built on the land of these people, 305 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: because it says so right here in the sentence. So 306 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 1: let me just type up a quick little thing that 307 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 1: that that that the and we're done. Um. It is 308 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: very it can be very challenging to find who the 309 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: indigenous peoples of the land are because they moved around 310 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: a lot and because they were forcibly removed a lot. Uh, 311 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: they sometimes traveled with the waters and the river ways, 312 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 1: and it's it's not as easy as you might think. 313 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 1: So you have to really put in the work to 314 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: to really find this out. And as we'll see, one 315 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: of the controversies is putting that onus, on the indigenous 316 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: peoples and saying, well, hey, let's just go find some 317 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: of them and let them do this research for us. 318 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 1: And now we're not gonna pay him or anything like that, 319 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 1: but like, we want to get it right, and they 320 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: want to get it right right, so let's do it 321 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: for us, right, Yeah, I saw that. Compared to so 322 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: like a land acknowledgement is basically like a receipt that 323 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: a thief gives you after stealing your stuff, but then 324 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: having an indigenous group actually create the land acknowledgement for 325 00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: you is having somebody that you've just stolen from write 326 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: the receipt to themselves on your behalf. That's ultimately what 327 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:12,640 Speaker 1: you're doing. Yeah. So um uh, there are actually like 328 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: um websites, there's apps that have been set up to 329 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 1: to help make land acknowledgement research a little easier. UM. 330 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: I found one. You can text your ZIP code to 331 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: nine oh seven three one two five eight five. That's 332 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: not a rick roll or spam. I tried it myself 333 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 1: and it texts you back, um a name of like 334 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: the group that you are, um that lived in your area. 335 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:41,439 Speaker 1: That seems like the Simpsons, doesn't it kind of a 336 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 1: little bit if yes, But if you just um, if you, 337 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 1: like you said, you just take that copy and paste 338 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 1: it into your land acknowledgement and that's that. Then you've 339 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: just done something that's worse than not doing a land 340 00:20:55,640 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: acknowledgement at all, which is an incompetent inept um thought 341 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 1: lists land acknowledgement. There's there's that's literally worse than not 342 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: doing a land acknowledgement. Yeah. So, after you've done your 343 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: research and you have really found out the true origins 344 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: of the people of that space that you're in, uh, 345 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: you should reach out to them. Uh, And like I said, 346 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: not just dash off your own a few lines on 347 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: on your computer, but actually get in touch with them 348 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: and say, hey, um, I don't want you to do 349 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: the work for me, but can we work together on this? 350 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,199 Speaker 1: And how how would how would you like this to 351 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: go down? How much detail would you like? And it 352 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: can be as if and you know, maybe follow their lead, 353 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,679 Speaker 1: uh for a change and see what they want. And 354 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 1: they said that that's a really good second step. Yeah. 355 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: And you've also you might not be able to fit 356 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: as much detail as you want to or certainly everything 357 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: you turn up in your research if you do decent research. 358 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: Because again Land acknowledgements in following kind of that tradition 359 00:21:56,359 --> 00:22:00,199 Speaker 1: of welcome to country um ceremonies. They go at the 360 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: beginning of an event. And because these are such random events, 361 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: from a corporate retreat to a Canadians hockey game, like 362 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 1: it's it's bolted onto the front. There's no easy way 363 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: to put it in there except to just do it. 364 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,439 Speaker 1: And so to take up a lot of space at 365 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: the beginning of a Canadians game or a corporate retreat 366 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: or whatever, explaining like the detailed history and like inner 367 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: tribal relations between you know, the people who lived on 368 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: this land before and then their their dealings with the 369 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 1: United States government and like their removal, and what are 370 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: they doing today? What can we do to help them? 371 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: Like that's that's not what land acknowledgements are meant to be. 372 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 1: But ultimately, for a satisfying, like decent good land acknowledgement, 373 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: you have to figure out how to distill that down 374 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 1: into just a few sentences. It's almost like writing poetry, 375 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: you know, dude, retirement job for us? I guess we 376 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 1: should start up the land acknowledgers dot com and at 377 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: the beginning of every single thing, Josh and Chuck show 378 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: up and do a short stuff right, just say give 379 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: us fifteen minutes and we will speak of all the 380 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 1: atrocities and bring this room down to its lowest point 381 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: and then say thanks everybody. Uh and Microsoft right us 382 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 1: a big fat check. That's right, We'll say, short stuff out. 383 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: Short stuff is out, and so are we. Man. That 384 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: could be a pretty good gig for us. Yeah, I 385 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: think you're right, Chuck. We actually I'm I was wondering 386 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: what we were going to do in retirement, but now 387 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: I not do that. I have a real sense of 388 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 1: security now, thank you. So one of the things you're 389 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: probably going to run into though, to Chuck is you 390 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: were saying like it's it's not as straightforward, is oh, 391 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 1: this is the people who used to live here. I'm 392 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 1: just gonna copy and paste. You have to do some research. 393 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: And when you're doing research, you're going to find out 394 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,959 Speaker 1: that there might be like more than one group that 395 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: claims land to this, So that kind of opens up 396 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 1: a whole cuddle of worms too while you're making this, 397 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 1: because the whole point of this is to acknowledge the 398 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: people who whose land this was. And if you suddenly 399 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: have two groups who are saying this is my land, no, 400 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: this is my land, you're about your non indigenous person 401 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,400 Speaker 1: about to step into to kick your event off right, 402 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 1: to step into hundreds of years old hornets nest um. 403 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 1: You know, you really have to be careful. If you're 404 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: gonna do this right, you need to understand a lot 405 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: more than what it takes to just write a few sentences. 406 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: Is again, I just really wanted to hit that point. Yeah, 407 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 1: and you know it can go beyond just land acknowledgement. Uh, 408 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 1: there's also something called land and labor acknowledgement where if 409 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 1: you do your research, you might find, all, right, there 410 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 1: were the indigenous peoples that lived here, but then this 411 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 1: very town, this very city was sort of built on 412 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,919 Speaker 1: the backs of enslaved Africans, and that's the only reason 413 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: why this place is a place now. So let's include 414 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: that the University of Chicago's land and labor acknowledgement UH 415 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 1: mentions the four native nations that were forcibly removed of 416 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: in what is Chicago what is now Chicago, and that 417 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: the university was built on land donated by a man 418 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: named Stephen A. Douglas whose fortune was the product of 419 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: enslaved Africans. So you know, once you open this can 420 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: of worms, it's it's pretty clear that there is a 421 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: lot of acknowledgement to go around. Yeah, and usually it's institutional. 422 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 1: I mean, like you could trace the history of any 423 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 1: plot of land, find all sorts of horrific things that 424 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 1: individuals have done to other individuals, but it's usually you're 425 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 1: way Ultimately you're tracing, like institutional violence against groups. Is 426 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 1: the point of land acknowledgement or labor acknowledgement. What's that is? 427 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: If you start scratching beneath the surface of the history 428 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: of any city, Chuck, you find that virtually none of 429 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: them were built on rock and roll. It was way 430 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: darker than that in every case. I don't know what 431 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:56,199 Speaker 1: Jefferson Starship was talking about. They were just lying, flat outlying. Yeah. 432 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 1: It makes me really second guess the whole White Rabbit 433 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: thing too, although that was Jefferson Airplane. But you know 434 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,919 Speaker 1: what I mean, I know what you mean. Sure, I 435 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 1: know what you mean. I'm hip, I'm I'm fly is 436 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 1: because you just made it. We built the city on 437 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: rock and roll reference the worst song in the history 438 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 1: of music. Oh, I don't know about that. Oh come 439 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: on you, Oh sure I do. I'm not like guilty Pleasure, 440 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: not like my favorite song. I don't have it on 441 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: on my phone or anything. But if it's on I 442 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 1: will there's a seventy percent chance I won't turn it. 443 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,880 Speaker 1: You know what guilty Pleasure song I've been rocking this week, 444 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: which is a great song, and I shouldn't even call 445 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: it a guilty pleasure, but uh, the Sign by Asa Bass, 446 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, all of their work was really good. It's 447 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: such a great song and my daughter loves it now. 448 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 1: And when you have a kid who loves something, They're like, 449 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: I want to listen to it four times on the 450 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: way to school. So I've been singing the sign for 451 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: two weeks straight in my head. It's pretty great. That 452 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: is good. Are you wearing like a little black ribbon choker? Now? 453 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: H No? But I'm ashamed about my love of asa 454 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: basis or something as you should be guilty, schmilty. You know, 455 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,679 Speaker 1: I'll tell you something as far as guilty pleasures go, 456 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 1: that I'm pretty happy with. Uh. I watched the Betty 457 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: Broadrick Story starring Meredith Baxter Bernie Um from Remember That. 458 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: She was a woman who um was divorced by her husband, 459 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: uh and did not take that very well and kind 460 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: of went off the rails, culminating in her going and 461 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: sneaking into her ex husband and his his new wife's 462 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: bedroom at night and murdering them both with a gun. 463 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: And Meredith Baxter Bernie, the mom from Family Ties, is 464 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: the one who plays Betty Betty Broadrick, and she does 465 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 1: it so well and it's like a two part, three 466 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: hour made for TV movie. It's on Amazon Prime if 467 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: you have that, and it is every minute of it 468 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 1: is just wonderful and great to watch. Yeah, I love 469 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: some of this stuff, Like, let's red ject Prestige TV 470 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: that's going on now and let's just go back to 471 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: those days. I say, we just include all the good stuffing. Also, 472 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: one more thing while we're while we're not talking about 473 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: anything about land acknowledgements for a minute, have you seen 474 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 1: um Promising Young Woman? Oh yeah, sure, it was a 475 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,919 Speaker 1: really good movie. I had no idea, but it was. 476 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,959 Speaker 1: I would highly recommend that as well. Yeah, it was awesome. 477 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: So before we talk about criticisms, which we'll get to last, 478 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: we should talk a little bit about the ideal, which 479 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: is um that it that it doesn't just stop there 480 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: on stage with an acknowledgement before you kick off the 481 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: muffler sales conference. Uh. There are ways that you can 482 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: actually take action to make things better for Indigenous people 483 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: because they're still suffering today. In in a lot of cases. Uh, 484 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: it might be political Uh causes that are championed by 485 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: Native Americans. It might be uh, universities offering free tuition 486 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: for Indigenous I was about say kids, but people of 487 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 1: all ages. I guess I mentioned hiring programs by those 488 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: very corporations that now sit on that land. Uh. Those 489 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: are all some great things that you companies can do 490 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: to take action. Yeah, and you as a person, as 491 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: an individual, if there's things that you want to do, UM, 492 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: you can show up to Native American rallies just to 493 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: show support. UM. You can. There's a movement in UM 494 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: Seattle called Real Rent do Amish UM, which says, hey, 495 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: if you live in the Seattle area, you should pay 496 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: rent to the do Amish tribe because this is the 497 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: original land. UM. And the reason why there's so much 498 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: to do is because Native Americans in the United States 499 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: have lived in this limbo um world just again, just 500 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: kept out of American society for so long, and unlike Canada, 501 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 1: unlike Australia, the United States has not engaged in anything 502 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: even approaching a truth and reconciliation and or any kind 503 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: of deep reflection about the history and the historical treatment 504 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: of Native Americans in America UM. And so this still continues. 505 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 1: And so like Native American is UM likelier to live 506 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: in in poverty more than any other group in America. UM. 507 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: The there's a huge problem of the UM missing and 508 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: murdered Indigenous women and girls, which is such a problem 509 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: it has its own acronym m M I W G. 510 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: And that of course deserves its own episode two. We've 511 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: gotten requests for that before. Um. Apparently there's also an issue. 512 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: Olivia writes that Native American kids are frequently taken away 513 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: from their families and put with white foster families, even 514 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: when there's no evidence of abuse in the house. So, 515 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: I mean, there's still there's so much stuff we could 516 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: be doing for Native American people in the United States 517 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: that it completely undermines in a lot of ways the 518 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: very presence of land acknowledgement because people say, like, there's 519 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: so much to do that is that has nothing to 520 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: do with it, like, actually go do the actual stuff. 521 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 1: And I saw this, um, this article by a guy 522 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 1: named Graham Would. It was in the Atlantic. It's called 523 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: land acknowledgements are just moral exhibitionism. He was the one 524 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: who basically said that, you know, getting a Native American 525 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: or an indigenous person to write your land acknowledgement was 526 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: like getting them to write the receipt for the land 527 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: you sold from them, you know. Um, he said, I'm 528 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 1: gonna quote Some people argue that land acknowledgements are gestures 529 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 1: of respect. I'm not sure one can show respect while 530 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: also being indifferent to a people's existence. The statements are 531 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,959 Speaker 1: counterfeit versions of respect. Teen Vogue put it well, if 532 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: unintentionally quote land acknowledgement is an easy way to show 533 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: honor and respect to the indigenous people. And he goes 534 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: on and then he says, real respect occurs only when 535 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: accompanied by time, work, or something else of value. Learning 536 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: basic facts about a particular tribe might be a start. 537 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: And I think that's the whole idea, is that this 538 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 1: is a starting point and the bare minimum for what 539 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: should be a series of steps, especially if you're a corporation. Yes, 540 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: now that's a huge thing. Like you know, it's one thing. 541 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: If you're a person and you're having like a like 542 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: a poetry slam and you do this, that's cool. You're 543 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: you're probably more likely to actually be doing something of 544 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: action to help Indigenous and Native American people than the 545 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 1: corporation is who's having land acknowledgements researched and written and 546 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 1: performed at their retreats and their conferences and stuff like that. 547 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: And so it's really well within fair game to call 548 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: corporate America out about using land acknowledgements because they're doing 549 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 1: virtually nothing in the real world to help Indigenous and 550 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 1: Native American groups, and in fact, in a lot of 551 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: ways are actually oppressing them further and continuing their oppression 552 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,959 Speaker 1: and keeping them in a cycle of poverty. You got 553 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: big cust today, my friend, little orphan, these crying chrome 554 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: plated tears right now. All right, let's take our last 555 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 1: break and when we come back, we'll talk about some 556 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: of the criticisms. Uh, and sort of poke around a 557 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 1: little bit at the land back movement as well. All right, Uh, 558 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: if we're gonna talk criticisms of land acknowledgements, we already 559 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 1: talked about sort of um a lot about the criticisms 560 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 1: of you know, how they're done poorly for people that 561 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 1: support them, but there are people that don't support doing 562 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 1: them at all. Um. The United Conservative Party of Canada, 563 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 1: when they took control in Alberta, stopped land acknowledgements period. 564 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, right wing Canadian politicians have called 565 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 1: it just political correctness. I'm sure here in America the 566 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: word woke and woke is m has been used to 567 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 1: refer to stuff like this. But there's also criticisms that 568 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:15,720 Speaker 1: like history isn't even being portrayed accurately to begin with. Yeah, 569 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 1: so you know there's there was a huge kind of 570 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 1: I guess a political fight in um Montreal when the 571 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 1: Canadians started um started doing land acknowledgements for their games. 572 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: They were thanking the ganyin Geha tribe or the Mohawk 573 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: nation is how most of us know of them. Um. 574 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 1: And then it came up after they started doing these 575 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 1: people were like, I don't think this was actually their land, Like, yeah, 576 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 1: they lived here, but I don't think it was their land. 577 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 1: So the Canadians had to um revise it a little 578 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 1: bit and they still um included the ganying gei ha 579 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 1: um uh like reference um, but they also um observed 580 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: or acknowledged other ribes too. But then a lot of 581 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 1: people are like, see, can't even get it right historically, 582 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 1: Why is anybody doing this at all? And other people 583 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,879 Speaker 1: are like, look, yes, we we got it slightly wrong historically, 584 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:15,400 Speaker 1: but that's certainly no reason to throw this out um entirely. 585 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 1: And the point is to like actually acknowledge these people 586 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: and that their land was stolen, you know, even if 587 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: you don't get it exactly right. And that's a that's 588 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 1: a big debate too. Yeah, and just the the the 589 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,880 Speaker 1: way that you talk about this land is can be 590 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,319 Speaker 1: a little problematic to begin with, because it wasn't you know, 591 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,320 Speaker 1: it's not appropriate to say that they owned this land 592 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 1: because the idea of ownership to Indigenous people of land 593 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 1: wasn't even a thing. Uh. You know, I guess a 594 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: lot of times I think they're called for being stewards 595 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 1: of the land. Uh that's I guess an acceptable work 596 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 1: around in a lot of cases. But I know that 597 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 1: it's it's all just sort of a lightning rod for criticism, 598 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, the idea that there's stewards of the land. Um, 599 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,919 Speaker 1: I mean the like there's some Native American culture saw 600 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 1: that themselves as that, but others are like, no, you know, 601 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 1: we belong to the land. So this doesn't make any 602 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,799 Speaker 1: sense at all. And then what's more, we really care 603 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: more about these bodies of water than we do the land. 604 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 1: Are you guys mentioning that kind of thing? Um? So yeah, 605 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 1: there's almost all criticisms come back to land acknowledgement doing 606 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 1: it wrong. And then if if somebody's really hopping on 607 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: a very small thing, they probably don't like the idea 608 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 1: of land acknowledgements in the first place, or acknowledging the 609 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,279 Speaker 1: plight of indigenous peoples in their country. UM. But ultimately, 610 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 1: if you do agree with it and you have a 611 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,279 Speaker 1: problem with it, it's it's that it's being done wrong 612 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 1: is usually what your problem is. Yeah. And again, if 613 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 1: you uh were to reach out to these people to 614 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 1: begin with, you have a way better chance of getting 615 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,319 Speaker 1: it right, I think. Right. Um. The other thing is 616 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,799 Speaker 1: that if you're not actually saying, if you're just saying, 617 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 1: we acknowledge that this land used to be uh inhabited 618 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:03,280 Speaker 1: and cared for by indigenous peoples who lived here, and 619 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 1: and you know, that's it. There's almost like an unspoken 620 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 1: like and thanks to them for that. Um, You're you're 621 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:17,040 Speaker 1: keeping the the existence of how that land changed hands 622 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 1: from those people to your conference center, you know, and 623 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 1: all the history in between. And all you're doing is 624 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:28,759 Speaker 1: perpetuating keeping the history of Indigenous people out of society 625 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 1: outside in a mythic past that can be easily romanticized too, 626 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,720 Speaker 1: because Native American tribes did a lot of unsavory stuff 627 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,720 Speaker 1: or that we would today find unsavory and a mythic past. 628 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 1: Two that puts you at risk of, like, you know, 629 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,839 Speaker 1: turning the Native American people into the noble savage um, 630 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,280 Speaker 1: which is a huge issue in and of itself to UM. 631 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 1: But again it comes back to just doing it right, 632 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 1: doing your research, doing it right, and then fitting it 633 00:37:55,600 --> 00:38:00,960 Speaker 1: into a comprehensive but concise land acknowledgement. Yeah, for sure, 634 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:02,919 Speaker 1: and all of this. You know, I mentioned the land 635 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,440 Speaker 1: back movement. Uh. This is this is a different topic. 636 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 1: But I think we can sort of cover the broad 637 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,760 Speaker 1: strokes here at the end. Uh. The idea of giving 638 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 1: land back to these people. It sounds crazy, like, how 639 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 1: would we even do that? But it has happened a 640 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,840 Speaker 1: little bit here and there, which may surprise some of you. UM. 641 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,719 Speaker 1: The land back movement in the Black Hills, which here 642 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:31,280 Speaker 1: in the United States where the Mount Rushmore Monument is located, 643 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:35,480 Speaker 1: was sacred Lakota site. And in night, the Supreme Court 644 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 1: of the United States said, you know what, this land 645 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 1: was stolen, uh, and it violated the Fort Laramie Treaty 646 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 1: of eighteen sixty eight. So why don't we settle this 647 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 1: with with money? Uh? And I'll offer some financial compensation 648 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 1: as a settlement. And the Lakota tribe said, no, we 649 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,799 Speaker 1: don't want that. Uh. And they are still to this 650 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:58,080 Speaker 1: day pushing for the return of the Black Hills land. Uh. 651 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:02,200 Speaker 1: There's an Ojibwey writer named David Truer that said, you know, 652 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,799 Speaker 1: how about we take the million acres of National park 653 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,840 Speaker 1: land and we all own it with a with a 654 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,799 Speaker 1: big federally organized and recognized group of tribes that are 655 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,759 Speaker 1: still around. Um, give that back to us and you 656 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,080 Speaker 1: can still come here, but we can hunt on it 657 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,440 Speaker 1: and we can farm on it. And a little bit 658 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,919 Speaker 1: of that is happening some parts of the National Park 659 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:29,440 Speaker 1: or National forests. They have allowed some hunting for Indigenous 660 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 1: peoples and some farming which is going on. But he's like, 661 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,279 Speaker 1: why don't you just give it all to us and 662 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:35,960 Speaker 1: you can still come visit. But that would be a 663 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:40,440 Speaker 1: nice start. You can still come visit for sure. Um. 664 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 1: They've also found that there's it's a really good way 665 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,640 Speaker 1: of preserving forests as well. Like we we kind of 666 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:49,000 Speaker 1: talked about it in the National Parks episode where the 667 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,239 Speaker 1: National or the Forest services like, oh, we don't have 668 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,640 Speaker 1: any idea what we're doing wrong here, Maybe we should 669 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,879 Speaker 1: ask the Native American tribes he used to live here 670 00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 1: who managed this land, to kind of give us some pointers. 671 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 1: And they found that that land back actually helps like 672 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:08,200 Speaker 1: restore forests and ecosystems that that are proving to be 673 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,840 Speaker 1: problematic because uh, we don't really quite know how to 674 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,520 Speaker 1: how to make them work correctly or allow them to 675 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,640 Speaker 1: work correctly. Yeah, they did it in Minnesota just a 676 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:23,360 Speaker 1: couple of years ago. Um, they transferred almost twelve thousand 677 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,400 Speaker 1: acres of Forest Service land to a federal trust for 678 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 1: the Leech Lake Band of Ojibwey. So it's happened here 679 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,120 Speaker 1: and there. It's uh. Livy also points out that it's 680 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:37,120 Speaker 1: happened with individuals. There are a few cases of just 681 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:41,200 Speaker 1: landowners in the United States. It said here, you know, 682 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,680 Speaker 1: have this two or three acres. I mean, it hasn't 683 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,960 Speaker 1: been like thousands of acres yet at this point. But 684 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,800 Speaker 1: the fact that individual uh citizens of the United States 685 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:54,719 Speaker 1: are giving land back to indigenous peoples is a. I 686 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,400 Speaker 1: think it's pretty cool. And so it's a it's a 687 00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,799 Speaker 1: good start. That's certainly putting your money where your mouth 688 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,160 Speaker 1: is and not just reading a land acknowledgement, you know, yeah, 689 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,799 Speaker 1: or like you said, paying actual rent. That's putting your 690 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,000 Speaker 1: money where your mouth. That's you got anything else about 691 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,920 Speaker 1: land acknowledgements. I got nothing else. I hope we did 692 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,879 Speaker 1: a good job. You know, we mentioned doing this one 693 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:15,880 Speaker 1: and we got a bunch of emails from people that 694 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,919 Speaker 1: said really helpful emails that said, hey, just wait into 695 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,640 Speaker 1: this carefully. I think they thought, um, and they don't 696 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,359 Speaker 1: know us. Of course we're gonna do a good job, 697 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,760 Speaker 1: but they thought that we might just be like, hey, 698 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,920 Speaker 1: reading a thing is great and that kind of solves 699 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,680 Speaker 1: all the problems. I'm not sure we would dust our 700 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,919 Speaker 1: hands off as we walked away from the mis. No, 701 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,680 Speaker 1: not at all. If you want to know more about 702 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,880 Speaker 1: land acknowledgements, go to a Montreal Canadians game, a Microsoft retreat, 703 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,279 Speaker 1: or just go onto the internet and start doing some 704 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:48,000 Speaker 1: research yourself. It's pretty interesting stuff. And it's a like 705 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,719 Speaker 1: Chuck said, a good place to start. And since I 706 00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,480 Speaker 1: said a good place to start, that means it's time 707 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:57,080 Speaker 1: for a listener mail. That's right. And before I read 708 00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:02,680 Speaker 1: a listener mail and we were recommending TV shows and movies. Uh, 709 00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,919 Speaker 1: since this is appropriate, we gotta recommend the great TV 710 00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 1: show from last year, Reservation Dogs. I think I mentioned 711 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,360 Speaker 1: at once on the show, but it is fantastic and 712 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,080 Speaker 1: it and it explores the lives of these teenagers in 713 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:20,680 Speaker 1: rural Oklahoma. Indigenous teenagers and it is I think Takawa 714 00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,200 Speaker 1: tit as executive producer. But the show is written and 715 00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,120 Speaker 1: directed and crewed up mainly by indigenous people's and it 716 00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,320 Speaker 1: is a great show. It is very funny, very moving, 717 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,640 Speaker 1: very heartwarming. I love it. I love it. Can't wait 718 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,920 Speaker 1: for season two? Very nice? All right, listener mail, what 719 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:40,320 Speaker 1: should I do here? How about the slow Pee Pub? Uh? 720 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:44,439 Speaker 1: And what we have here is a listener that very 721 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,879 Speaker 1: much accurately named the slow Pee Pub that I went 722 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,800 Speaker 1: to a Manchester And while I'm doing that, I believe 723 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,560 Speaker 1: someone found the one in Ireland for you. Correct, Yeah, 724 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,399 Speaker 1: the Brazen Head by the Guinness Factory. It's amazing, that's right. 725 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,920 Speaker 1: And do you know who sent that to you? Can 726 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,319 Speaker 1: you find that while I read this? Yeah? All right, 727 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,360 Speaker 1: so I'm gonna read this. Hey, guys, just finished listening 728 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,200 Speaker 1: to the episode on pubs. It was great. I think 729 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,000 Speaker 1: you mentioned the Sloping pub on a previous episode, and 730 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,920 Speaker 1: being from Manchester, immediately knew what you were referring to. 731 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,359 Speaker 1: I think the pub in question is the Marble Arch, 732 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,960 Speaker 1: which is just on the outskirts of the city center. 733 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,400 Speaker 1: It's a great place that's run by a small brewery 734 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,640 Speaker 1: and wow, is that floor confusing? If you've had a few, 735 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,239 Speaker 1: keep up the great work and been listening for five years. 736 00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:30,399 Speaker 1: Can't get enough, especially with subjects like these have local relevance. Uh, 737 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,040 Speaker 1: and I looked it up. He sent a couple of pictures. 738 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,480 Speaker 1: It was for sure the Marble Arch and it is 739 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,040 Speaker 1: not in the city center where all the other kind 740 00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,600 Speaker 1: of hang out pubs and bars are. I was on 741 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,080 Speaker 1: a walk and I stumbled upon it, and uh, if 742 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,640 Speaker 1: you're ever in Manchester, go check it out because it's great. 743 00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,480 Speaker 1: And that is from Hugh Nice. And also we want 744 00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,600 Speaker 1: to say thank you very much to Susie from Dublin 745 00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,200 Speaker 1: or at the very least used to work in Dublin, 746 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,120 Speaker 1: who correctly named the Brazen Head for me. So thanks 747 00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:02,440 Speaker 1: Susie and Hugh awesome. I knew they would come through. Yeah, 748 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:07,000 Speaker 1: we'll come through, thanks to Susie and Hugh. If you 749 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,799 Speaker 1: want to be like Susie and or Hugh, you can 750 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,400 Speaker 1: get in touch with us via email to Stuff podcast 751 00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:18,400 Speaker 1: at iHeart radio dot com. Stuff you Should Know is 752 00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,279 Speaker 1: a production of I Heart Radio. For more podcasts my 753 00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,759 Speaker 1: Heart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or 754 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,560 Speaker 1: wherever you listen to your favorite shows