1 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: Former MLB GM former Mets GM Jim Doucat joining us 2 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: right now. You can hear him on serious MLB network radio. 3 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 1: You can hear him on sn HY among other spots. 4 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 1: Buddy of ours. Do great to see you, and also 5 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: I want to commend awesome job with the coverage of 6 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: what the Mets have been up to and the Kyle 7 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: Tucker sweepstakes. I'm locked in, man. I mean, I'm always 8 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: following you, but I'm extra following you lately. So we 9 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: got to go right away with what kind of week 10 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: the Mets just had and do you think that when 11 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:39,639 Speaker 1: you add it all up, they are a better ball 12 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: club than last year? 13 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 2: Yeah? 14 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 3: Thanks for having me, guys. 15 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 4: I you know what, first off, if it was literally 16 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 4: a week ago they were out on Tucker. 17 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 3: Right and they had nothing. 18 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 4: They had one of the worst off seasons in the league, 19 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 4: and worst one I can remember from a Mets perspective 20 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 4: in a long time. So the fact that where they 21 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 4: are now, it's pretty it's pretty impressive. I have to 22 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 4: say I had my doubts, but in fact, when last 23 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 4: time I was with you, guys, you know, I think 24 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 4: it was right when Alonzo signed with the Orioles too, 25 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 4: we're like, Okay, what the heck are they going to do? 26 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 4: So to your question on are they better, like, I 27 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 4: feel like they're better than they were at the end 28 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 4: of the year. Like I didn't think that season went 29 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 4: anywhere near where I thought and definitely not the way 30 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 4: they thought. But like the way the pitching ended wasn't 31 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 4: very good. I think their pitching is a lot better 32 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:32,559 Speaker 4: now than it was at the end of the season. 33 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 4: I think their defense is better. I don't think their 34 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 4: offense is better by any stretch. I think it's going 35 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 4: to be certainly whenever you have Alonzo out of the lineup, 36 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 4: that really hurts. But I do think that they've done 37 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 4: a good job of rebounding and they've got I think a. 38 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 3: Little bit better balance with right e's and lefties. 39 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 4: So you know, I think there's going to have to 40 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 4: be like you need Robert to be closer to what 41 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 4: he's capable when he's healthy. 42 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 3: Right there's you know, Bishett I think is going to 43 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 3: be a beast there. 44 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 4: But I don't think it's going to be what Pete did, 45 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 4: which is, you know, another level. So I think I 46 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 4: have some questions with the offense, but I but I 47 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,519 Speaker 4: definitely think their run prevention is what David Sterns was 48 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,399 Speaker 4: talking about. I think he's he's done that. It's not perfect, 49 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 4: but it's I think it's better. 50 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 3: I mean, last year they have five positions that were 51 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 3: not they were below average defensively. 52 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 5: How do we think both how do we think BOE's 53 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 5: going to do it? Third base? He's obviously going to 54 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 5: play third base, Like that's the one worried, like Police 55 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 5: Roberts great when he's healthy, which is about eighty games 56 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 5: a year. Has been for a while now, right, except 57 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 5: for twenty twenty three. Simeon has gone down a little 58 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 5: bit in a lot of his things. Polanco's moving to 59 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 5: a new position at first base. So you're saying their 60 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 5: defense is better, Bobashett has he ever played third maybe 61 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 5: like in travel ball back in high school? So do 62 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:48,519 Speaker 5: we do we really know that they're going to be 63 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 5: that much better or Mets fans just hoping they're going 64 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 5: to be better? 65 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't know. 66 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 4: I agree with you that on that ag. You know, 67 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 4: I think though, like I don't know if you've had 68 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 4: any teammates either, You guys have had teammates have gone from. 69 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 3: Short to third. 70 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 4: I've seen guys do it before. Both Bowden and I 71 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 4: have talked about this a lot. I mean that the 72 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 4: you know, the the reactionary play, no question, that's one. 73 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 4: It takes a little getting used to, you know, the range. 74 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 4: I think bo will be fine. I think he has 75 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 4: the arm strength just watching eye test, you know, some 76 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 4: of the measurements. 77 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 3: We have now. 78 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 4: Sometimes the slow roller gives, you know, a new third 79 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 4: baseman in trouble, or the angle play where he's throwing 80 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 4: off balance. But I mean, he he's such a good athlete. 81 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 4: You know, we didn't see him play. I didn't ever 82 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 4: saw him play second base, and then right in the 83 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 4: middle of the most important games of the year, he's 84 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 4: playing second base, and he played it pretty. 85 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 3: Pretty well in a short stint. Now, I think he'd 86 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 3: played a little bit in the minor leagues, but I 87 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 3: don't know. 88 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 4: I'm reasonably confident, although I can you can never say 89 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 4: for sure that he can handle third base. 90 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 3: I am more skeptical about Planco playing first. You know, 91 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 3: the Mariners that. 92 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 4: Kind of spoke to that that that they thought he 93 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 4: could handle first. 94 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 3: But that's a lot harder position, I think. 95 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 4: I anyway than then, you know, some teams give it 96 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 4: credit for I think it's a it's a first off. 97 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 3: We know what's how important it is. 98 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 4: I mean, you're involved with every play, every ground ball, 99 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 4: every thrill across the diamond. But you know, if it's 100 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 4: not him, and I've seen Vente's play first it's not perfect. Uh, 101 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 4: they do have a little bit of protection there. But 102 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 4: I'm more confident at third. Defensively, we know how good 103 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 4: Simion is at second, so I'll take those first base, 104 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 4: I'm not so sure. 105 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 3: I need to see it in the spring. 106 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 6: Well wait a minute, you're saying that first base. Anybody 107 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 6: can't just play first base, Jim, That's not what I 108 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 6: hear from. It's not what I hear from a lot 109 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 6: of teams. Oh, we'll just we'll just play at first base. 110 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,919 Speaker 6: That's that's all that will happen. I completely agree with you, 111 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 6: and I'm glad. I'm glad you said that. Should the 112 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 6: Mets be a team that are hoping? Guys have years 113 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 6: hoping they make transitions. Should the Mets, with the money 114 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:00,039 Speaker 6: that Stevie Cohen has given or would put into this 115 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 6: team and the money that they've put out, should they 116 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 6: be hoping? It just seems like there's a lot of 117 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 6: like they're throwing a lot of darts at the dartboard, 118 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 6: but they should be a team that has a lot 119 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 6: of darts at the dartboard with like lesser name or 120 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 6: lesser known guys and more like solidified positions Or Am 121 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 6: I wrong? 122 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 7: Right? No? 123 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 4: I think when you're spending an almost four hundred mil, 124 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 4: I don't think they're going to get quite the four hundred, 125 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 4: but they're going to be close. I think it's fair 126 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 4: to say you shouldn't have as many question marks there, 127 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 4: no question, you know. I also, you know, with what 128 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 4: you know, David Sterns is trying to do, like trying 129 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 4: to flip the team from you know, one that he 130 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 4: took over, you know, and last year it was more 131 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 4: his team than it was the previous year. 132 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 3: That's kind of eballs over time. 133 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 4: This year, I feel like it's more his than than 134 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 4: you know, any of the prior to. When I say 135 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 4: that the ones that he put together built more his 136 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 4: fingerprint on it, I feel like, you know, it's it's 137 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 4: fair in in you know, understandably to assess that and 138 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 4: evaluate it, you know, more towards as we see it 139 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 4: in the middle of the season. Right now, it doesn't 140 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 4: feel like it's a perfect team. There aren't many perfect 141 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 4: teams out there, but I still feel like, I don't 142 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 4: know how you guys look at it. Yeah, defensively, you 143 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 4: got a couple of question marks, but they had five 144 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,239 Speaker 4: below average defenders. I thought last year and I watched, 145 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 4: I watched almost every game. 146 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 3: At third, Nemo took a downturn. 147 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 4: Uh, second base, first base, at least metrically right field 148 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 4: eyeball test, and that's a that's a lot of positions 149 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 4: of people thow average. 150 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 3: So I think they're better defensively at second. I think 151 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 3: they will be at third, not sure at first, uh, 152 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 3: and better with Roberts. 153 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 4: So you know what does that look like when it 154 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 4: comes to run score, runs, runs allowed? 155 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 3: Right? 156 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 4: Like the one thing I've always felt And uh, you know, 157 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 4: I'm curious you guys your your thoughts on this too. 158 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 4: But when we were evaluating guys, we felt we could 159 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 4: take guys they. 160 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:08,679 Speaker 3: Could hit and turn them into defenders. Most of the time, 161 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 3: you can't do it the other way around. If you're 162 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 3: a good defender but you can't hit, like you're not 163 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 3: going to be able to hit. 164 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 4: I don't think enough to be you know, a regular 165 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 4: or above average offensive player. It's just too hard to 166 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 4: frick and hit. So I wouldn't go the way we've 167 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 4: seen some of these goals these teams go with. It's just, oh, 168 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 4: we're going to go get the above average defender if 169 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 4: they can't hit, because it usually doesn't work out that well. 170 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 4: And just trying to find good two way players is 171 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 4: just there's just. 172 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 3: Not a lot of them. 173 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 2: And back to the headliner two. 174 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: They didn't have a Freddie pralt in the rotation last year, 175 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: so when you talk run prevention, we were like, there's 176 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: a lot of activity going on here, but where's the 177 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: starting pitching improvement? Now we see that and I think 178 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,239 Speaker 1: it's funny how you mentioned Stearns is putting his own 179 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: stamp on things. Yeah, he clearly didn't love what he 180 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: saw last year and he blew it up a little bit, 181 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: and he's bringing in guys that he is familiar with, 182 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: Devin Williams, Freddie p Do you think that Peralta will 183 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: end up signing an extension with them? Freddie signed an 184 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: early extension with the Brewers and seems like a guy 185 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: that more necessarily try to get every last dollar, and 186 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: you know he knows Stern's If I'm here, I'll put 187 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: it with this way. If I'm the Mets, I'm trying 188 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: to get that done with him and not even let 189 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: him hit a market that I don't think is great 190 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: next year. And a lot of those guys are going 191 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: to sign before the lockout begins. So if I'm the Mets, 192 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: I try and throw whatever five, one fifty or something 193 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: his way and see if he'll bite. 194 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 3: I would Scott. 195 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, you know, it doesn't sound like they're 196 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 4: going to do much more, certainly, not anything more impactful. 197 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 4: I think they're trying to improve some of the you know, 198 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 4: fringe parts of the roster we'll call it. But you know, 199 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 4: I think and they're not going to spend anything any 200 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 4: kind of big dollar amount for sure. I think one 201 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 4: of the things that get into spring training, you know, 202 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,079 Speaker 4: part of this is on him too, like he has 203 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 4: to feel comfortable, uh, you know, in the in the 204 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 4: you know, with the team and in the clubhouse and 205 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 4: everything else. We're not quite sure how he's gonna be. 206 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 4: I don't think he's gonna have any problems pitching in 207 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 4: New York, but some guys do. Some guys don't like it, right, 208 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 4: So there is that element that you have to kind 209 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 4: of consider when you're making a trying to. 210 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:20,839 Speaker 3: Make a deal there. 211 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 4: But I would make that a priority for them, And 212 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,959 Speaker 4: I think the fact that David knows him is an 213 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:27,839 Speaker 4: advantage there. 214 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 3: He should know that he can handle New York long term. 215 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 3: And so I think that's. 216 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 4: A little easier to do if you're you know, again, 217 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 4: because of the lack of control that they've had in 218 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 4: some in some of these other guys. I mean, the 219 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:44,839 Speaker 4: last thing you want to do, at least in my mind, 220 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 4: is keep flipping this roster over year after year after year. 221 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 4: At some point you have to have to dial in 222 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 4: for somebody long term, right And certainly they're trying to 223 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 4: do that with their homegrown guys. But there's a couple 224 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 4: guysespecially on the starting pitching front, that you could go 225 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 4: down that route. And if you got him signed and listen, 226 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 4: they're still going to be clamoring for Schooble next year 227 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 4: when he's out there as a free agent. 228 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 3: But that takes a little bit of pressure off you. 229 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 4: If you get Peralta signed and McClain pitches the way 230 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 4: we think he is, and you know, Holmes, you have 231 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 4: another year like you might not have to go down 232 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 4: that route or go as far as it's going to 233 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 4: take to get Scooble. 234 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 3: So anyway, there's there's some things that they need to do. 235 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 3: I agree though that Peralta would be a priority. 236 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 7: Yeah. Agree. 237 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:30,439 Speaker 5: And by the way, Searns doesn't usually go more than 238 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 5: four three to four years pitcher, so getting into go 239 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 5: to five it might be a stretch. But that's a 240 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 5: whole we don't have enough time for that. I love 241 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 5: what the Mets. How the Mets pivoted in like three days. 242 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 5: They were all in on Tucker, they lose him to 243 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 5: the Dodgers, and they're like, oh, by the way, Boba Schet, 244 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 5: you're a nice and then Louise Robert, we can get 245 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 5: you for you know whatever. And then oh yeah, by 246 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 5: the way, we can get Freddy Peralta for two not 247 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 5: even our top prospects, like our third and our fifth 248 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 5: or fourth best depending on what publication do you look at. 249 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 5: So I love what the Mets have done, and I 250 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 5: feel like David Sar pivoted nicely. 251 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 7: I just have one question for you. 252 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 5: If the Mets of twenty twenty five played the Mets 253 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 5: the way they're constructed in twenty twenty six, who would 254 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 5: win a let's say if they played a seven game series, 255 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 5: which team would win? 256 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 3: That's that's a good one. 257 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 4: I like the pitching better for the Mets in twenty six. 258 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 4: I like the defense better. I think the offense is 259 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 4: better for the Mets from last year. So and you know, 260 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 4: if you're talking about shorter series, I usually take the 261 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 4: pitching and the defense over you know, the better offensive 262 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 4: team and the blow average d So you know, and listen, 263 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 4: there are a lot of things that derailed their season 264 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 4: last year, but the number one reason was was how 265 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 4: bad their starters were. I mean, there, I don't think 266 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 4: there's any There shouldn't be any debate. 267 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 3: I mean it was. 268 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 4: It was four months of bad, bad starting pitching and 269 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 4: not being able to go deep into the game. I 270 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 4: think their starting pitching is much different and much better, 271 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 4: especially if you think about my claim for a full 272 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 4: year in Peralta at the top. So I would say 273 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 4: it's close, AJ, but I'd take the twenty six minutes. 274 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 6: Was it a panic pivot to go get bow? 275 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 4: But yeah, that sounds like Boden right there. He used 276 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 4: that termed uh Sunday the panic pivot. 277 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 3: He man he cracks me up. 278 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 4: Uh, you know what, I don't know if there was 279 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 4: definitely uh, there was definitely a little bit of panic 280 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 4: there going on. 281 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 3: I would have to say, you know, when. 282 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 4: You lose out like that, Really the feeling was you're 283 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 4: going to get Tucker. I personally did not have a 284 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 4: lot of confidence in it, even though they were watching 285 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 4: it play out. 286 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 3: You know, you get the long term option with Toronto 287 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 3: and the shorter term option. You aren't. 288 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 4: I don't care who you are, you're not. You're not 289 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 4: winning that battle with the Dodgers, not what they built. 290 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 7: So I was very. 291 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 3: Skeptical that they were going to get it. 292 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 4: Luckily for them, they had you know, we found out 293 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 4: afterwards they had been having conversation dialogue with Bo and 294 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 4: his representative since the winter meetings. 295 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 3: I didn't hear, and that they kept it quiet. 296 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 4: So I mean, you panic pivot would be to me, okay, 297 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 4: we you're not even on our radar. 298 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 3: We want you now. 299 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 4: I think part of the panic was he was going 300 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 4: to sign with the Phillies if they didn't get them, 301 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 4: and it was going to happen fast, right, So so 302 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 4: there was a little bit of that, and you had 303 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 4: to you had to really blow his doors off to 304 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 4: get him. But that was one of the first times 305 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 4: where I felt like, boy, you have a huge weapon 306 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 4: in your owner with all that money, Just go do 307 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 4: it and worry about the consequences later. Like I'm kinda 308 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,079 Speaker 4: I wasn't sure David had it in him to do it, 309 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 4: and he showed me differently, and that I appreciate that. 310 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 3: Just just he got the player. I don't care what 311 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 3: the cost was. Who really should. 312 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 4: Care about the cost of Boba Schett when you got 313 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 4: the player. 314 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 3: At the end of the day. 315 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, agreed, Agree, All right, Let's askhim about a player 316 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 5: that the Mets re counting on last year the last 317 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 5: few years, CODEI singo. 318 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 7: Is he going to be a factor for the Mets? 319 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 5: I mean he was in Triple A, he was heard, 320 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 5: He's been heard when he's the few times he's been healthy, 321 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 5: especially at home, he gets the ghost fork going, he's 322 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 5: been really good. 323 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 7: Can he be a factor and help the Mets? You know, 324 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 7: I mean, let's be honest. 325 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 5: In a brutal National League, Okay, I mean the brutal, 326 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 5: absolutely brutal. 327 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 3: National League, right I you know, yeah, the bar is 328 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 3: pretty low. 329 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 4: You know, I would say that I can you feel 330 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 4: reasonably comfortable if you can get Senga on the mound 331 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 4: that it's going to be it's going to be pretty good. 332 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 4: Right when he came back, you know, he didn't come 333 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 4: out of the gate real well, and then it seemed 334 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 4: like he had trouble with the command of his pitches, 335 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 4: and so things snowballed almost a little bit like Mike 336 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 4: Manaia in the sense that you know, Mania had this 337 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 4: late start and then he couldn't really get the lower 338 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 4: arm slot going, and and then didn't seem like he 339 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 4: could piece together a couple of starts in a row. 340 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 4: That's where like Sega before the injury was fantastic as 341 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 4: we know, but after that it was really a big 342 00:14:59,480 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 4: question mark. 343 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 3: So I think you can count on him. I don't 344 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 3: know if. 345 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 4: I would count on him for thirty starts or even twenty, Like, 346 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 4: I just don't just don't know, you know, on the 347 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 4: health side of things, he hasn't been able to stay 348 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 4: healthy there for a good part of. 349 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 3: His tenure there with the Mets. 350 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 4: But I would say this for the number of games 351 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 4: that's if I were sitting there and trying to project it, 352 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 4: I'd say just count on him for fifteen starts. If 353 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 4: it's fifteen, I feel comfortable it's going to be fifteen 354 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 4: good ones or most of them. 355 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 3: Are going to be good. I just wouldn't count on 356 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 3: him for being more than that, at least the what 357 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 3: we've seen. 358 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 6: This team thought they had a gold mine in the 359 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 6: pitching department and they were like, look what we did 360 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 6: with Sean and Iya, Look what we did with Luis Severino. 361 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 6: And then last year obviously it fell apart and Jeremy 362 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 6: Heffner got fired as a GM. Do you pivot that 363 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 6: quick when something was going a certain way? And reality 364 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 6: is they gave him the pitchers that he had to 365 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 6: work with, And is that was that pivot too quick? 366 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 6: Or do you feel like there was something else going 367 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 6: on in the background there to make that change? 368 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 4: See I think one chrasty one of the worst things. 369 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 4: I You know, when you're in the front office, you go, well, 370 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 4: I need to make changes. When you have a below 371 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 4: average season and you know the expectations were really high 372 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 4: and you perform below the expectations and you don't get 373 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 4: to the postseason, there's there's got to be some accountability. 374 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 3: The problem is you don't have a lot. 375 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 4: Of options with with you know, a roster and the 376 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 4: guaranteed contracts, you could have could have done something with 377 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 4: Carlos Mendoza. 378 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 3: I wouldn't have thought that was right. 379 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 4: I personally didn't think it was right to do any 380 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 4: of the coaches, but I think there was a lot 381 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 4: of call for that within the office, within at the 382 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 4: ownership level, to do something, and you know, if you're 383 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 4: gonna do it, And again I think it's I think 384 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 4: it's overrated how much of an impact Jeremy Hefner had 385 00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 4: on the decline of their pitching, Like it was the 386 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 4: same guy the year before that got the most out 387 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,199 Speaker 4: of pictures that nobody else really had in a while. So, 388 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 4: like I thought, it was completely unfair to let Jeremy 389 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 4: go and the other coaches for that matter too. But 390 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 4: at some point you end up having to do some 391 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 4: something at the end of the day. 392 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 3: Uh So, I you know, I understand it. 393 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 4: You know, I always thought when I when I fired 394 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 4: hitting coaches, I did it during the course of the season. 395 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 4: It was it was there was no impact on the replacement, 396 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 4: or they'll leting him go. 397 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 3: Like I wish I didn't have to. I wish I 398 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 3: didn't do it. 399 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 8: Right. 400 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 3: I think Bowden would. 401 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 4: Probably say the same thing, like he fired and he 402 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 4: fired guys all the time, way more than I did. 403 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 4: But he's also was a GM for a long period 404 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 4: of time, and you you get in that spot and 405 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 4: you're like, I got to make a change somehow, So 406 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 4: you know that that becomes the message. 407 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 3: But is it was it fair? 408 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 2: No? 409 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 3: I would say there's no way it was fair. 410 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 2: Duke, what did you think of the return package? 411 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: So it's Jet Williams and it's Brandon Sprote okay, And 412 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: the two kind of subset questions I have are did 413 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: you think that it fares better for them versus the 414 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 1: d L Hall, Joey Ortiz and pick which is Blake Burke, 415 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: who hasn't you know E merged high up on their 416 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: prospect list yet but is just drafted a couple of 417 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: years ago. Also, I think I think it was a 418 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: better return. I'll just throw my opinion in their screwt. 419 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: I think it was a better return for them this 420 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: time around. Okay, But I'm also surprised that some of 421 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: the other teams that were involved in talks didn't offer 422 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: up more. These guys were saying Spencer Jones and Will 423 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 1: warn and I was like, I don't think the Yankees 424 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: would make that move. 425 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 2: I'm just saying I'm not saying I would. I don't 426 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 2: think the Yankees were throwing names like that out there 427 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 2: because they wanted Freddy. 428 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, they were in on Freddie. Yeah, I agree. 429 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 4: I don't think they would have gone that far. And 430 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 4: you know, I think with with Sprot, like I like 431 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 4: Sprot as a starting pitcher, I agree with you. I 432 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 4: think that the Hall that they got from the Mets 433 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 4: was better than what they got from the Oriols a 434 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 4: couple of years ago. Now, you know, we'll see what 435 00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 4: the draft pick happens. They might end up with three 436 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 4: major leaguer there. But there were some question marks with 437 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 4: d L. Hall going back when with his injury, you know, 438 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 4: and Ortiz, you know, I saw enough of that. 439 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 3: I was really I really questioned the bat. I don't 440 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 3: know what jet what kind of hit or is he 441 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 3: he's going to be? 442 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 4: Like, I don't know if there's going to be a 443 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 4: power component there. He's not a real big physical guy, 444 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 4: but he does he does have good bat to ball skills, 445 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 4: and so the. 446 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 3: Question mark I have on that is what kind of 447 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:25,439 Speaker 3: is he going to be? 448 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 4: A twenty homer guy, a ten homer guy like it 449 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 4: could That to me is he is a stolen base 450 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 4: and a speed guy. 451 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 3: He's up the middle type of player. 452 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 4: So you know, they they got a pretty good player 453 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 4: and Jet, and they got a starting pitcher like right 454 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 4: away starting pitcher and sprot So I think if you 455 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 4: look at the impact it's going to have for the 456 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 4: Brewers both short term and then long term, I think 457 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 4: they did better than than what the Orioles gave up. 458 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 2: So yeah, and you. 459 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 4: Know, to your point, like Spencer Jones, there's a lot 460 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 4: of strikeout there. I think he you know, there was 461 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 4: times last year where his bat path was better and 462 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 4: he made better contact. But he still has a little 463 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 4: ways to go, and I think they have a ton 464 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 4: of upside with him. I don't know if he's even 465 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 4: you know, I think he's untouchable for them, you know, 466 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 4: and and for me, I would rather try to find 467 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 4: something for Domingas and give Jones an opportunity at the 468 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 4: major league level than trading Jones. But that's that's just 469 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 4: a you know, personal feeling and a personal evaluation. 470 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 7: Jen last one. 471 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 6: We've been asking this to any teams that are making 472 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 6: their moves. Where does this put the Mets in the 473 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 6: National League East right now? 474 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 4: Well, we were just talking a lot about this on 475 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 4: my show today about like the Phillies. 476 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 3: You know, I still like the Phillies. 477 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 4: There's a lot of people out there to have that 478 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 4: feel like the Phillies are going to be on the decline. 479 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 4: Obviously they're a year older, but I mean until they're 480 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 4: knocked off, they're a team to beat in the NL East. 481 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 4: Like I always feel like there's an inherent advantage in 482 00:20:56,560 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 4: winning the division the following year you did it, the 483 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,679 Speaker 4: other teams didn't. I think the Mets stack up close. 484 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 4: I don't think they're quite there, but they're close. 485 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 3: And for me, the. 486 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 4: Team, the wildcard team for me are the Braves because 487 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 4: you know, they have a lot of pitchers that were 488 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 4: coming off of injury injuried seasons last year. And if 489 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 4: they all come back and pitch the way they're capable 490 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 4: and the way they're healthy, that's a really good staff. 491 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 4: But hardly ever do you see that come all of 492 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 4: those guys come back all at once and stay healthy. 493 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 4: So and if I could choose which ones, you know, 494 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 4: like I want to see Strider come back and I'll 495 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 4: bet on him, and I'll bet on Schwellenbach, and I'll 496 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 4: bet on Sale. I'm not sure about the others, you know, 497 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 4: and so they're a huge wildcard. 498 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,479 Speaker 3: There's a big variation for me. I think they're going 499 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 3: to be in the mix. 500 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 4: They always seem to be, with the exception of last year, 501 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 4: So you know, I think there's it's a three team race. 502 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 4: But I think the Phillies are ahead of the Mets, 503 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 4: and I think the Mets have a little bit more 504 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 4: certainty on our ahead of the Braves. 505 00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 3: So that's how i'd rank them. 506 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 2: There you go. We're not holding it to it. There's 507 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 2: still time left in the UFICE. 508 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 5: I just want to I just want to say for 509 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 5: all that you guys in the chat and in twitter land, 510 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 5: that Jim Dukat said he likes the Mets, which we 511 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 5: have both said, and that we think there need to 512 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 5: prove it and there's still work to be done. 513 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 7: Now. 514 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,479 Speaker 5: Meanwhile, we'll Kratz and Eye Jim will get called the 515 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 5: biggest Mets haters in the world because we say the 516 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 5: exact same thing. But listen, I think the Mets may 517 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 5: have made great moves. I think if Louise Robert can play, 518 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 5: and he's healthy. He's gonna be a great player for 519 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 5: the Mets. But they gotta do it. 520 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 8: They gotta do it all right, as you know, today 521 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 8: is Monday and data ends. And why there's another group, 522 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 8: a subset of Mets fans that you may that may love. 523 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 3: You and support you for the same thing. You can't 524 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 3: You can't please them. 525 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: Philly's Mets braves for me right now, and they're he's 526 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 1: pretty close in range. 527 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 5: What about the Marlins or the Marlins have all that 528 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 5: pitching depth, they're gonna be so good. 529 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 1: Sorry Marlins, Nope, over so much last year, But duke 530 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: last thing, just to let you know, because I mean, 531 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: I'll bring this on. I don't think we ever mentioned 532 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 1: this officially, like we had a stalker last year because 533 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 1: we spoke slowly of the Mets starting rotation entering the season. Yes, 534 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: we were like, I don't think this has the lasting power, 535 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: and how did that go? For the first month and 536 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: a half, not great Mets rotation was freaking thriving, right, 537 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: and the Mets as a team were thriving. And then 538 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 1: after the daily messages the last four months of the season, 539 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: they stopped. So we didn't have to call the cops, 540 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:37,360 Speaker 1: no investigators. The actual results on the field got rid 541 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: of the stalking situation. 542 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 2: It's a true story. 543 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 1: And it also was tied to one of our guests 544 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: who was on with us, so I won't even name 545 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: that was also saying, hey, I'm a little concerned that 546 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: this is going to fade late, and boom it happened. 547 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: So this looks better than it did last year, and 548 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 1: that's why we're chatting. So no stalkers were happier about 549 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: the Mets this year. Thanks Duke, good to see you, 550 00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: but I appreciate the time. 551 00:23:59,160 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 8: Thanks for the story. 552 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 3: See you guys. 553 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 4: Good luck, good luck at your your speech there a 554 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 4: j Saturday night. 555 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 7: Man, you're gonna be there there, it's a lot of 556 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 7: people there. Are you going to be there this year? 557 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 3: I can't make it this year. 558 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 4: Eight hundred people gone to that, A. 559 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 7: Thousand people from millions of people. 560 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 5: That doesn't bother I'm saying, don't stop believing in front 561 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 5: of like two million people. 562 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 7: Jim Like, let's be serious. 563 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,640 Speaker 5: I can't sing, no pressure, I can talk. 564 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:27,360 Speaker 7: I can't sing. 565 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,919 Speaker 2: He talks every day for hours. 566 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,959 Speaker 5: I just imagine Scott sitting out there naked and crats 567 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 5: in front of me, and that the trick like you 568 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 5: look at someone you imagine the naked that makes you 569 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 5: feel better. 570 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 2: Everyone. 571 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 7: They'll be next to me, so I can't look at it. 572 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 6: I don't have pants on right now. 573 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 1: Great, that's actually probably true. All right, let's let you guys. 574 00:24:50,000 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: Thanks dude, Yeah, baltimoials, you're up. That's Bob Knightingale said 575 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: to the tweet, Met's get Freddie p Bob says, rival 576 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: executives expect the Orioles to be the next team to 577 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: pluck a frontline starter from the free agent market now 578 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 1: that the Mets are out of the mix after acquiring 579 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: Freddy Peralta, and then you see tons of replies about 580 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,120 Speaker 1: from ber Baldez. But I'll continue to say it. Zach 581 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 1: Allen is also a free agent, and I think you 582 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 1: can buy low on him. Yeah, an attractive candidate to 583 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 1: have a strong year. I mean, if the Oriols end 584 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: up with him and not Fromber, I think fans should 585 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: still be thrilled. He is not the only one out 586 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 1: there on the market at that tier. I actually think 587 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: those two are in a similar tier. 588 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 7: Why not, right, Yeah, or go train and get Scooble. 589 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 2: Well, I'm on, I'm. 590 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: Just I don't think the Tigers are trading him right now. 591 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: They're excited for their arbitration battle. But anyway, the free 592 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: agent board from the Athletic looks like this top ten wise, 593 00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 1: and I'll read it for the podcast crowd real quick. 594 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 2: We got to get rid of Bellinger. 595 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: So from Bervaldez, aohanney O Suarez, Zach Gallon, Lucas Giulito, 596 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: Chris Bassett, Harrison Vader, Luisa Rice. I never heard a 597 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: thing about him now, but we will, Zach Lettel, Marcella Zunez. 598 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: That's the nine best remaining according to them. 599 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 7: Okay, So which free agent is Jack Allen? 600 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 2: Fit? 601 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 7: Nicely there get the pitch in York a couple times. 602 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 1: A year Fromberg, Gallon, Giorledo, Bassett, Lttel. If I'm an 603 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: Orioles fan, I'll take Bassett and Ltel or Lttel plus 604 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 1: one of the other three I just mentioned. 605 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 7: Was plus you're going pluses? 606 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,360 Speaker 1: No, I mean, if you want to be a contender, 607 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: especially in the Al East, you need more than five. 608 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,120 Speaker 1: Most people are not comfortable with their five right now, 609 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 1: so are you comfortable with their eight? 610 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 2: No? 611 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: I mean I'm getting greedy, but Orioles fans would like 612 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: to see one. 613 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 2: They're going to get another starter. 614 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 6: Which one? This is their window the next two years. 615 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 6: Who do you want? Three for you the next two years, 616 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 6: because you're gonna have to get Gallon on some type 617 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 6: of like twenty four million for the first year with 618 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 6: opt outs, but another like twenty four for the next 619 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 6: you know, so it could be like three years seventy 620 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,360 Speaker 6: two million. Who do you want for the next two 621 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 6: years throwing for your team in Baltimore? Framber or Zach Gallen? 622 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:25,679 Speaker 2: Gallon for me? 623 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 5: If you go get Gallon, I say, you get Gallon AMBASSTT. 624 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 5: I don't think that's going to command that much. Fifteen 625 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,679 Speaker 5: maybe ten for one year, yep, one year deal proving 626 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 5: you know, as an older guy. And I think you 627 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 5: can get Gallon a one on a two or three 628 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 5: year deal with opt outs, and so you spend thirty 629 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:51,640 Speaker 5: to forty million and you. 630 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 2: Go Frommer's looking for four or five plus. 631 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,160 Speaker 7: Yeah, he's looking for long years. I don't think he's 632 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 7: going to get that though. 633 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 2: I don't think so either. Somebody just trashed a mail. 634 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, producer, ladies not paying attention, Come on, producer, lady. 635 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 7: Yeah, unfortunately. I mean it's Gollon. 636 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 6: For me, it's Gollon because I think not even talking 637 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 6: about saving money, like you might save some money, but 638 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,440 Speaker 6: goes out if it's like four or five million dollars 639 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 6: a year, Yes, it's a lot, but it's not that 640 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 6: much when you're talking about what are you getting. To me, 641 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 6: you're getting a guy who's just going to be a 642 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 6: tick more motivated. You might only have them for a year, 643 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 6: which is even better for the Orioles in their mind. 644 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 6: But to me it's it's Zach Gollan. To pair with 645 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 6: Wells Bradish Rogers like. To me, that solidifies that rotation 646 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 6: to be four or five deep instead of three four 647 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 6: deep