Speaker 1: Welcome to Drink Champs, the production of the Black Effect
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Speaker 1: Makes up that this guy that this guy that we
Speaker 1: have here today, he might be hip hop's most unique character.
Speaker 1: He might be a person that hustled for the hustle.
Speaker 1: This guy, he is the only person I've ever known
Speaker 1: to drop a remix. He ain't even on the right mix.
Speaker 1: It was crazy to me. It's it's still crazy to
Speaker 1: me when I go and research it. Uh, he's a hustler.
Speaker 1: You know. People try to label him a one hit wonder.
Speaker 1: He continued from two thousand and twelve, I believe still
Speaker 1: dropping music in one got shows with complex got shows
Speaker 1: with other people, and he's stay in his name out
Speaker 1: here in case you don't know where any of the
Speaker 1: weirdest nails ever one drinks ever if you don't know her,
Speaker 1: So what's going on? My god? Listen, I gotta ask
Speaker 1: straight up? Uh all go there? Yes, sir oh, I
Speaker 1: would like to call it. Asked them. That's not a
Speaker 1: hit anthem, it's anthem. I don't care where when that
Speaker 1: came out. I don't care where I was. Whether it
Speaker 1: was Dugel dof Germany, well it was Dubai, whether it
Speaker 1: was anywhere. It was a hit hit hit hit hit.
Speaker 1: And I believe when I googled you our search too,
Speaker 1: it was like that was like your third record you
Speaker 1: ever made. It wasn't my third, but it wasn't my
Speaker 1: first twelve. It was in your first twelve. Okay, So
Speaker 1: let let's let's just describe that moment for people who
Speaker 1: don't know, like you're you're a new artist, if you're
Speaker 1: taking the game serious or you're not taking this serious.
Speaker 1: You independent before? So I was super independent, you know
Speaker 1: for me. You know, music is a decision, you know,
Speaker 1: that's what it was for me. For a lot of people,
Speaker 1: I feel like you know, a lot of people tell,
Speaker 1: you know, I grew up to do this. Man, I've
Speaker 1: been rapping. No, you know, I've been trying to figure
Speaker 1: it out my whole life. You know, I was born
Speaker 1: in Trinion that to bego, came over here as an immigrant,
Speaker 1: no green card. You know what I'm saying. My mother
Speaker 1: had to figure it out, you know, saying, my father
Speaker 1: had to figure it out, and so having to do
Speaker 1: whatever we needed to do to take care of each other.
Speaker 1: It's something that we've always done. So you know, my father,
Speaker 1: when my father and mother split, you know, my mother
Speaker 1: wasn't going to move back to Trinidad because it just
Speaker 1: didn't make sense to go backwards. Even though let's describe
Speaker 1: the people, because even though pop would never been to
Speaker 1: trind that that is a beautiful place. Oh yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: talking about the third world country. It's got its issues too,
Speaker 1: you know, definitely. You know, I got a family in
Speaker 1: Live and tail More. You know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: these are all projects in Trinidad, and if you go there,
Speaker 1: you'll be like wow, you know, like it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's not what you used to when it comes to
Speaker 1: like natural projects, you know, but just in general you
Speaker 1: know that mentality of like, well, we can't go back
Speaker 1: to Trinidad right now. You know, it kind of put
Speaker 1: in my mind where I got to figure it out
Speaker 1: so we're not worked ever. Moved from Trinidad straight to Atlanta.
Speaker 1: So my father moved to America first to figure it out.
Speaker 1: Amica came. I think he came to Florida first. He
Speaker 1: came to Florida first. Yeah, Florida feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: as a certain type of thing. But you know, he
Speaker 1: came to Florida first, man and then um he you know,
Speaker 1: he was figuring it out, doing this thing. Then, um,
Speaker 1: you know, me and my mother we lived in Canada
Speaker 1: first because she had to take care of her sister
Speaker 1: because she wasn't she wasn't well. Your passport to Standford
Speaker 1: the beginning Canada. And then we left Canada, came back
Speaker 1: to Trinidad, and then we left Trinidad and came to Florida.
Speaker 1: Then we left Florida, went to New York and lived
Speaker 1: in New York and left left New York and went
Speaker 1: to Atlanta. Left Atlanta, North South Carolina last South Carolina.
Speaker 1: Came back to Atlanta, you know, So I mean this
Speaker 1: is just for me as a teenager, that's not it
Speaker 1: was super important. From going from an all black school
Speaker 1: in Atlanta to all white school in South Carolina. You
Speaker 1: know that that gave me the best perspective I ever
Speaker 1: had on life moving forward. While I'm successful continuously in
Speaker 1: the game, it's because I understand people that you know
Speaker 1: that I could. I can see people because I had
Speaker 1: to deal with people growing up. I didn't just have
Speaker 1: to deal with my own culture. I had to understand
Speaker 1: why white people think the way that they think. And
Speaker 1: you know what is also my perspective as a black
Speaker 1: man compared to a Black Americans perspective, it's not the same.
Speaker 1: Caribbeans don't think exactly like how Black Americans stay and
Speaker 1: discriminate against each other. It's different. It's different, Like we
Speaker 1: don't get taught racism and those type of things and
Speaker 1: trendon that like that when I was coming up, because
Speaker 1: black people all the predominant buns. Yeah you know what
Speaker 1: I say, You got Indian and black, so that's brown
Speaker 1: and black. Like the e F said on the islands
Speaker 1: that I see a lot, it would be like color racism.
Speaker 1: They just know they're just coming against Black Americans. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: they have an issue, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: you know people on the islands and call people a
Speaker 1: black American gangs. It's really just carrying the same clunism.
Speaker 1: Like the whole perspective. What was the country that colonized
Speaker 1: trend that just from background history. Um, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't want to say that. I don't want to say
Speaker 1: the wrong thing. Was it? Was it any it would
Speaker 1: be friends? I thought it would be friends. I think
Speaker 1: I think it was friends or whatever. I don't want
Speaker 1: to be wrong, but I think it's Franks. But yeah, man,
Speaker 1: you know, all in all, I say, I give you
Speaker 1: a little bit of that back story just to let
Speaker 1: you know where it's like. And none of this time
Speaker 1: moving around all these places music with something that's on
Speaker 1: my mind. It was more of like survival. And you
Speaker 1: worked at the sneaker store too, right right, so it
Speaker 1: was a closer. It was a mental teak in Atlanta
Speaker 1: called gets on top of the underground, you know, And
Speaker 1: that is how I really got to the undergrounds of
Speaker 1: malls in downtown right now, downtown Atlanta, right in the
Speaker 1: heart up and downtown Atlanta. So you know five Points
Speaker 1: train station, you got CNN Center where the things were
Speaker 1: now with the Riot all that is right there the
Speaker 1: Olympic Park when they did the Olympics ninety six. All
Speaker 1: this is very close to where I worked. So that
Speaker 1: central location, you deal with a lot of people. You
Speaker 1: deal with all the colleges, you know, so you gotta
Speaker 1: you know Clark, Atlanta, spell at Morehouse. And then you
Speaker 1: deal with all the people that work in the companies,
Speaker 1: like I said, CNN, the Coca Cola Center, all these
Speaker 1: type of places. And then you got all the street
Speaker 1: dudes who hustling. I would ever from Broad Street all
Speaker 1: the way over to Peter Street, all these different places
Speaker 1: to all these people became my people because I've always
Speaker 1: been a person that's been styling somebody for a long time.
Speaker 1: That was my job before I got into music, styling
Speaker 1: and fashion. I mean I've been I was a cook
Speaker 1: before I did long care. I didn't move. I managed.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't I'm bouncing around because that's how we
Speaker 1: do on drinks. It's fine, But wasn't ever a problem
Speaker 1: because of what was the character from Martin? So was
Speaker 1: there every like any like copyright characters or what's it
Speaker 1: even going for that? Look when when you when you
Speaker 1: when you started that, No said, you know, obviously I'm
Speaker 1: aware of who that is because I'm a big fan
Speaker 1: of Martin just like any person, you know, but definitely
Speaker 1: wasn't thinking about that. You know, you got to understand
Speaker 1: that the person, that character that people see and all
Speaker 1: go everything, that's just who I am, you know, and
Speaker 1: it's really hard for people to understand things that they're
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. It's like the intro that
Speaker 1: you gave me or whatever is one of the most
Speaker 1: unique people that you have ever met. That's something that's
Speaker 1: I've been true to that my entire life. I have
Speaker 1: not changed the man that I am ever for anybody
Speaker 1: or anything. That's why I have such a hard journey.
Speaker 1: But I enjoyed my journey because I'm the only one
Speaker 1: to understand it. But I'm the only one. I gotta
Speaker 1: live it too, so I'm not really bothered by it.
Speaker 1: But it's an interesting one. Like when I have the
Speaker 1: outer body kind of just like I'm sitting there, might
Speaker 1: be drinking the smoke and I might go back and
Speaker 1: look at all or everything just for to do my homework.
Speaker 1: Now I had to do. I had to do my
Speaker 1: homework to day and now I look and it was
Speaker 1: like there was two different characters there was. I didn't
Speaker 1: see that your wrong home, right, but I saw your
Speaker 1: version of it. And then I also saw was commute
Speaker 1: people that I saw even though it was just you.
Speaker 1: I saw a dude that was just like me, proud
Speaker 1: to be from this other island, but still American because
Speaker 1: you know, I'm reporto Rican and so I saw that guy.
Speaker 1: I saw that, like you really had to Trendidad flag
Speaker 1: and every never, almost every scene did. I saw the
Speaker 1: hood version of who you was in Atlanta, like when
Speaker 1: you were walking around with certain people, and I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: this is this is interested because you're involved. You you
Speaker 1: you embodied all of these characters. Like no character to
Speaker 1: me was fake. You know what. That always made so hard.
Speaker 1: But the thing is, I do I didentify with the
Speaker 1: people when they say you wont me wrong? So that's
Speaker 1: why I want to ask that question, like no Fox
Speaker 1: or like you know, like these big studios that have
Speaker 1: a call you and say yo, don't don't do that
Speaker 1: character no more. I never and we never had any
Speaker 1: issue from anybody that was literally I mean, the power
Speaker 1: of the media is just very powerful. They're making seem
Speaker 1: like it's an issue. But I've never had an issue
Speaker 1: with Martin. Met Martin, like I met a lot of people,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But now I have never
Speaker 1: had a real issue with anybody misunderstandings from the media's perspective.
Speaker 1: That's probably my biggest curse. Whatever, be just because I
Speaker 1: stay to myself. I stay focused on the work because
Speaker 1: the work is was gonna keep me going. There was
Speaker 1: the issue I think you had in New York. You
Speaker 1: came to New York and you said something that the
Speaker 1: New Yorkers wasn't doing for New Yorker, something like that. So, um,
Speaker 1: I had a show for No it wasn't. That was incredible.
Speaker 1: I had a show for a Converse and somewhere I
Speaker 1: forgot what studios it was. And into going through the show,
Speaker 1: you know, I was going through some personal things just
Speaker 1: on the business side, because this is this is still
Speaker 1: early in my career, this is you know, but this
Speaker 1: is after. You know, I didn't did three tours me
Speaker 1: and Wis that went overseas. I didn't need the under
Speaker 1: the influence tours amazing. You know, I didn't hung around everybody,
Speaker 1: But you know what I'm saying, we did our thing,
Speaker 1: and you know, you get to hear and learn a
Speaker 1: lot of things, and you know, um, at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, every artist, when you're you know, on
Speaker 1: your eyes, you go through a lot of pressures because
Speaker 1: for us, unfortunately, we don't have enough people around us
Speaker 1: to be the role model. I've never had a role model.
Speaker 1: I've never had a big home till you figuring out.
Speaker 1: I've always have figured every single thing out myself. So
Speaker 1: you know, I'm never gonna make an excuse about it.
Speaker 1: The things that I said at that time, the things
Speaker 1: that I said at that time were you know, very
Speaker 1: true based on what I was hearing because I was
Speaker 1: coming to New York City, you know, and I grew
Speaker 1: up a huge fan basically seeing Low York City played
Speaker 1: more up Atlanta to New York City. I've seen him
Speaker 1: play more of everybody else than the artists who I
Speaker 1: liked that tid. You know, it's like my story has
Speaker 1: never changed. Like you know, at the time, you know,
Speaker 1: Davis was on his rise, but he was super dup
Speaker 1: to me. But you know what I'm saying, Joey bad As,
Speaker 1: all these people were super dump to me, but I
Speaker 1: never heard them on New York radio, and obviously I'm
Speaker 1: hearing my song, but I'm hearing the me goes I'm
Speaker 1: here and this that I'm just hearing out the thing, right,
Speaker 1: So it was just like and then I'm also hearing
Speaker 1: artists complain about New York Radio or whatever. So I'm
Speaker 1: looking at it as like, look, man, I've always been
Speaker 1: a person to tell the truth for some abody or
Speaker 1: stand up for a stand up if you're getting bullied,
Speaker 1: I'm a stand up for you, bro. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. If you feel like you're getting injustice done
Speaker 1: to you, I'm gonna standing up you. Feel like he
Speaker 1: was representing for the artist for me, while a couple
Speaker 1: of artists took back of that, a couple of artists,
Speaker 1: it's because of the way and that comes back to
Speaker 1: my fault, because of my energy that I put behind it,
Speaker 1: my personal problems that I was dealing with on my
Speaker 1: on myself as a businessman or whatever that had me
Speaker 1: frustrated with myself, and that also that side of me
Speaker 1: came out on stage when I'm saying that if I
Speaker 1: could do anything different about the situation, I would have
Speaker 1: just loved to have the energy that I know that
Speaker 1: I truly have when it comes to that. You know,
Speaker 1: what I said was very true. There was no lies
Speaker 1: told there, but the way that I delivered it could
Speaker 1: have been way better. And I knew exactly at the time.
Speaker 1: I didn't understand my energy because I had never been
Speaker 1: in this business. You know what, I'm finding out everything
Speaker 1: fast in the midst of it, and so you know,
Speaker 1: the media ran with it the way they wanted to.
Speaker 1: You know, certain artists ran with it the way they
Speaker 1: wanted to, and for me, I was a little confused.
Speaker 1: I believe it. Just meet you a may note. You
Speaker 1: had the discrepancy, you worked it out. Yeah, we definitely.
Speaker 1: I ran in tell me in person whatever you know
Speaker 1: I said. A lot of things were said online, but
Speaker 1: online is just not where I was. I that's not
Speaker 1: my thing, you know, because I never I never practiced that,
Speaker 1: I never experienced. Yeah, you explain what you meant. I'm
Speaker 1: sure that they'd even agree. Yeah, the thing about it,
Speaker 1: they appreciated when I heard him explain that. Everybody's story
Speaker 1: after the fact as the years continued, that what I said,
Speaker 1: like once again, it is my delivery that was wrong
Speaker 1: because but everybody realized that it was almost like yo,
Speaker 1: I could be for my family, but somebody else be
Speaker 1: from my family. It almost seems like that sometimes like that,
Speaker 1: you can't you can't be to do to tell me
Speaker 1: about this is to come outside you Hey, right, you say,
Speaker 1: little girl go upstairs. But did somebody another project to
Speaker 1: my sister like that? Yea? And all that is fair?
Speaker 1: That is fair, And I understood that. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And it's probably been the hardest lesson I
Speaker 1: probably learned in what nine years. I mean because this
Speaker 1: year I'm gonna tell you, Mike, well, I'm a fan,
Speaker 1: by the way, but I'm gonna tell you your illness
Speaker 1: move you made, but it probably might even been your
Speaker 1: biggest mistake. I will take a salute to your motherfucker's
Speaker 1: your career, your motherfucking every chance. I'm not only want
Speaker 1: a big shot because because you're the big man, that's
Speaker 1: your show. I'm gonna tell you like this, Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: I think doing the remix without you're going it okay
Speaker 1: was the bold and ship for for a new artist.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna tell you why. I think it was
Speaker 1: like your biggest mistake because it was that time for
Speaker 1: you as an artist sin to shine and to like
Speaker 1: or go I believe, I believe I know who you are.
Speaker 1: I believe you a guy with a good heart, and
Speaker 1: you felt like he was probably there and be worried,
Speaker 1: you know. But it was that movement where you're supposed
Speaker 1: to wrap with t I wrap with two change and
Speaker 1: wrap with jeez and literally try to take their fucking
Speaker 1: head off as a hartist, that's what the world wanted.
Speaker 1: I told my people like me who was real fans
Speaker 1: and this ship and I'm a fan of when a
Speaker 1: guy gets his opportunity and to but what you did
Speaker 1: was honorable. It was like the city was coming up
Speaker 1: and you gave you sacrifice to your own record. But
Speaker 1: you you hear what I'm coming from. No, I hear.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to make sure that you finish your stuf. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: because to me, I just felt like that's what I
Speaker 1: wanted from you. Like I remember we winding the record
Speaker 1: and saying, did this guy really and don't you say
Speaker 1: in the beginning of the record, You're like, I don't
Speaker 1: even need the first and I was like that before
Speaker 1: you answer, was that strategy or arrogance? There was never arrogance.
Speaker 1: I don't have to move with the arrogance. That's really
Speaker 1: not my energy. I feel that I'm gonna be the
Speaker 1: I promised. I've been the same person. But for the
Speaker 1: last twenty years I can't answer for you at all.
Speaker 1: But I could just feel your energy now that you're
Speaker 1: not someone looked like that, but I wanted you to be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I said. And the first thing I say
Speaker 1: is I wish it was my big homie. I'm saying, like, no,
Speaker 1: I had nobody to tell me, and I ran my
Speaker 1: home show. I done everything myself, you know, and everybody
Speaker 1: just facility. I still want you to asker this question.
Speaker 1: So there was nobody at depth jam and I said, Yo,
Speaker 1: you know what, this is your time. No, like no, no,
Speaker 1: I promise you. I never had a big homie. That
Speaker 1: the only person that's ever said something to me that.
Speaker 1: I was like, I appreciate that it was to change
Speaker 1: I would have And he checked me when he sent
Speaker 1: me his verse for the All of Everything remix or whatever.
Speaker 1: And when he said it to me, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: thank you, bro. But obviously I'm doing a million things
Speaker 1: and trying to figure out life. And I didn't get
Speaker 1: right back to him to like, listen, to the verse,
Speaker 1: and he called me and pressed me. I was like, like, yo,
Speaker 1: where somebody send you a verse my snatching? You listen
Speaker 1: to it right now? You know I was anytime somebody
Speaker 1: on the right staff, just you listen to it. Even
Speaker 1: I gotta listen to the phone in my air this
Speaker 1: versus hard and we go there, They're not gonna listen
Speaker 1: to it in the right place, because once again, it's
Speaker 1: not disrespect. But you know, to give you something that
Speaker 1: I've never even said to anybody before. To be honest
Speaker 1: with you, I didn't want to do a remix. I
Speaker 1: did not want to do it. I did not want
Speaker 1: to do a remix. Everybody else around me wanted to
Speaker 1: do a remix because they wanted to make money, you know.
Speaker 1: For me, I love Titty Boy before I turned the
Speaker 1: two chains up on that. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I love you know t I You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Twenty fours is on my like if I'm on I
Speaker 1: stuck for the rest of my life and I need
Speaker 1: to have ten songs. Twenty four is probably one of
Speaker 1: those songs. You know what I'm saying. I grew up
Speaker 1: on the jeezy that everybody loves you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: So to my respect level is on the mountain. But
Speaker 1: this is my journey. This is not their journey, and
Speaker 1: they made it their journey, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: They want they put themselves on it or whatever, not
Speaker 1: to change, but like the I think, like Tian Jesus,
Speaker 1: they put themselves on to be on it, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Whatever. I didn't even get a chance
Speaker 1: to ask them or whatever. So for me, you know,
Speaker 1: it didn't feel like the way that I wanted this
Speaker 1: to go. And that was a hard lesson in the
Speaker 1: business where it's like these people are not your friends, bro,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, like me and not in
Speaker 1: a way better place now, But for the first beginning
Speaker 1: of my career, I really wanted to stay away from
Speaker 1: him because it didn't feel that he had any respect
Speaker 1: for me. I don't unerstand because so so um all right,
Speaker 1: so let me try to get this, Let me try
Speaker 1: to understand this a little bit, because you have the
Speaker 1: biggest record in the world at this time. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I should mentioned but that's hip hop, you know, you
Speaker 1: know that, And it was more it was other he
Speaker 1: I think that people who was doing business for me
Speaker 1: at the time, because I wasn't just doing all my
Speaker 1: own business myself. I was just doing the creative part
Speaker 1: in the music and you know, trying to make connections.
Speaker 1: But I was with an independent label, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You know, they do Lucci, they do you
Speaker 1: know people b K blah blah blah. You know, at
Speaker 1: the time I'm doing business, they're doing the business for me,
Speaker 1: and they know different people. And obviously everybody would want
Speaker 1: to this a great look to do a song with
Speaker 1: these legendary people. But once again, as you can see,
Speaker 1: I don't do things traditional. That's never been me. So
Speaker 1: to kind of like force me into this traditional wave,
Speaker 1: it was offensive to me, but I dealt with it,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And like you know, I'll
Speaker 1: give you another piece information, I have to tell you
Speaker 1: this or whatever. Like that really really ruled me the
Speaker 1: like a crazy way about just the industry and just
Speaker 1: in general. Like you know, I got charged forty wardrobe
Speaker 1: for their wardrobe referring to Jeez tip and to change
Speaker 1: and if you go back to look at the dog
Speaker 1: or everything remix, look and see what t I wore,
Speaker 1: Look and see what jess wore, Jessy having a Dickie
Speaker 1: suit and t I had on hustle game, his old
Speaker 1: bird finance me on my old forty bands. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, I'm my label, but I did just
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, I pay forty I had
Speaker 1: to pay forty. Dog, I'm a stilish dog. Before you
Speaker 1: do that burn my soul. That burned my soul, like
Speaker 1: I had to perform that. But you didn't pay. You
Speaker 1: didn't pay for the verses. Okay, but because a bigger
Speaker 1: look for them to do it. If you look at
Speaker 1: the time, this is nothing. I say, it's never this,
Speaker 1: it's never as we're just a fat person, as a
Speaker 1: as a as a fan, and I see what everything
Speaker 1: you're saying, like, I actually can see. I can see
Speaker 1: where you where, I can see when people thought it
Speaker 1: as arrogance, and I can see what you thought it
Speaker 1: was like genius and it was genius. And but I
Speaker 1: can see like I just would really wish you would
Speaker 1: just showed your ass and just saying if you do,
Speaker 1: I say, if you was my big home, I would
Speaker 1: have been like so nor say I'm surprised to change
Speaker 1: it and say that I'm surprised, geez, I'm surprised even
Speaker 1: t it was. It was just it was different because
Speaker 1: I didn't know them, like I've only met t I
Speaker 1: one time, and that first occasion wasn't the right occasion.
Speaker 1: That wasn't it was that wasn't have been before prior
Speaker 1: at the studio session. It just our energy from the beginning.
Speaker 1: It wasn't good. And it was based off of how
Speaker 1: he approached me or whatever, because if I'm interested, how
Speaker 1: did he get to me? Because I'm a I'm an
Speaker 1: observer of people. I'm a people person. If anybody can
Speaker 1: tell you born that you know exactly or whatever. So
Speaker 1: I realized I was like, oh, he's coming to have
Speaker 1: a dick swinging contests. Wait a minute, what he's coming.
Speaker 1: He's coming to the studio to to you know, I'm
Speaker 1: you know, working on my music, working on my craft.
Speaker 1: You don't mean the actually you mean like you know,
Speaker 1: I mean like like music so good to me. You
Speaker 1: know you got not mentally, so you know, I peeped that,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And I was like, damn, man,
Speaker 1: I would think that you know, he would come to
Speaker 1: like give me some game or something. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, this is our first time me and I
Speaker 1: was already got all gold out. Yeah, like brown lit
Speaker 1: at this point in time. Right now, I'm lit in
Speaker 1: the city of Atlanta. I can't speak for me y
Speaker 1: in Atlanta number one. I'm not t I spoke, man,
Speaker 1: But I gotta tell you, man, when you had a
Speaker 1: number one record in the the fucking world, you wore
Speaker 1: a threat. You certain and I'm just telling you you
Speaker 1: ain't suposer. That's why this goes back to the sports world.
Speaker 1: And then like hip hop is a blood school for
Speaker 1: the interview athletes because they'd be like, yo, what someone
Speaker 1: to do with the rookie suons he come to the league,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't let him know immediately. So something that's who
Speaker 1: he was that and that was saying that I would
Speaker 1: ever order when it started with Tipping twelve, like December,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, something like that's how that started.
Speaker 1: I whenever somewhere around that earlier that went into the
Speaker 1: league me, I was this is not I gotta deal
Speaker 1: with you know what I'm saying Like this and I
Speaker 1: feel like high school because I went to a lot
Speaker 1: of different high schools. I went to a different high
Speaker 1: school every year, so I knew, I knew what that.
Speaker 1: I was like, alright, you know what I'm saying, so
Speaker 1: said little shot side listen and I'm not outside, and
Speaker 1: now it's not even the boutside because once again, I
Speaker 1: do appreciate a shot. Right, we gotta take it, you
Speaker 1: gotta take it. No, because I'm just telling you. I
Speaker 1: could see, not to say like, because I don't really
Speaker 1: know the energy displayed, but I can see, like certain
Speaker 1: people being threatened because your first record, like the record
Speaker 1: is a monster. It's a monster, like it's it's not
Speaker 1: like there's people who have hits, these people who have
Speaker 1: gold platinum records that don't have that one single Fox
Speaker 1: that's like that. So I can see somebody being threatened, like, man,
Speaker 1: tell me, did your immagies but tell me yeah, and
Speaker 1: tell me if I'm wrong. It felt like it marked
Speaker 1: a new era. You could feel like you did. Viral
Speaker 1: did not exist in hip hop. It did not think
Speaker 1: it's never I just think it going viral. Niggers had
Speaker 1: never ever said that I'm a fan, I'm a fan
Speaker 1: of hip hop or a fan of music. Listening to
Speaker 1: every body ship but respectfully, we've never said that term
Speaker 1: of like n I think its just went viral today.
Speaker 1: That just wasn't in the capital until all where everything
Speaker 1: came out. That every label from there on out and
Speaker 1: still right now was trying to find artists to make
Speaker 1: them go viral. That's what they did. And what Jim
Speaker 1: did with you was moneymental. But but here's the crazy ship.
Speaker 1: You threw that video out on your own without that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. We did that. We got ourselves
Speaker 1: to deal. Everybody was looking at that deal started let that,
Speaker 1: let's get that. But but but that's just money that's
Speaker 1: out there right now, that's looking for the You explain
Speaker 1: what was your vision like, because you know there's somebody
Speaker 1: somewhere don't know nothing and they had they have the
Speaker 1: same questions that you had. Well, I had all that
Speaker 1: you had coming up. But let him know your your process,
Speaker 1: your success, how you did it well. For me, I
Speaker 1: had to learn everything on the come, and I wanted
Speaker 1: to make sure that I played to my strong points.
Speaker 1: So vision and image was my strong points. I knew
Speaker 1: I had work to do on the on the music
Speaker 1: side of things, but the music had already proved that
Speaker 1: it could sell. Obviously, I never put a gun to
Speaker 1: anybody here. He said, you need to listen to All
Speaker 1: Go Everything. Nobody around me ever did that. We literally
Speaker 1: just passed out of CD. Check out my new stuff
Speaker 1: because you rock with me my energy. That's how the
Speaker 1: first CD started moving around, because that's my boy. That
Speaker 1: he didn't dress to me for a hundred summers, that's
Speaker 1: my boy. Of course I listened to it one time.
Speaker 1: People he told he was a stallus, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So like that right there, gravitated that would
Speaker 1: make the first CDs move around or whatever. So that
Speaker 1: got the CD go and got the music, and people
Speaker 1: gravitated to to the number six, which is All Go Everything.
Speaker 1: They just gravitated to it. I never told anybody you
Speaker 1: should listen to number six because number six wasn't the
Speaker 1: strongest song to me in my head. That's the last
Speaker 1: song I recorded for it, and that was the one
Speaker 1: I wanted to do for the people in the streets.
Speaker 1: I feel like I had everybody else who I because
Speaker 1: once again I told you, I'm dealing with college students.
Speaker 1: I'm dealing with people who work in big You made
Speaker 1: this record, you already visualized in the video. I didn't
Speaker 1: visualize the visual. I didn't visualize the video until it
Speaker 1: was actually time to do the video. And that what's
Speaker 1: that video at College Park? It's now that videos on
Speaker 1: the South Side. He just said he didn't even think
Speaker 1: that was the record. You know what I'm saying, because
Speaker 1: once again, I'm brand new and and there's no role models,
Speaker 1: nobody around me, no music well enough to be like
Speaker 1: what you said, like you got to tear these old
Speaker 1: nigger's heads on this remix. You know, nobody's saying that
Speaker 1: to me. If somebody said, if a person like you,
Speaker 1: not even you, had sent that to me, Young Droe
Speaker 1: could have said it to me. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: But nobody ever said that those words to me. Like, bro,
Speaker 1: you got to take their hand because I love perspective
Speaker 1: that makes sense. I'm a common sense type of guy.
Speaker 1: If you give me a perspective that actually makes sense,
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, because I'm gonna tell you something. By
Speaker 1: listening to t I and Jesus verse, it's almost like
Speaker 1: they knew you was gonna jump, and they knew you
Speaker 1: had no choice to like to use their verse. See
Speaker 1: I could tell that too changes the verse they ever
Speaker 1: sent to you, Yeah, to change, see to change. I
Speaker 1: think that we had Jeezy and it's a little hard
Speaker 1: for me to remember now, but I think we had
Speaker 1: Teas and Jesus first and then when I was like, man,
Speaker 1: we gotta do change because I actually, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like I might as well, you know what
Speaker 1: this makes sense to me, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like for this because I'm a music person. I've I've
Speaker 1: always been a producer before I knew I was a
Speaker 1: producer of music of how to put together a track
Speaker 1: or whatever, like that's just my thing, that's my superpower.
Speaker 1: And so you know, well, actually that's why I had
Speaker 1: to learn the hard lesson would change. When he was like, bro,
Speaker 1: he was like, I did it for the love and
Speaker 1: rock with you, And I see he did it for
Speaker 1: the love. But every honesty to being honest. The record
Speaker 1: is huge. It's a great looks because he was transitioning
Speaker 1: to he was transitioning also, so you definitely put your
Speaker 1: city before you at that time. I swear to God,
Speaker 1: like when you look at that, that was like a
Speaker 1: Jesus move. That was like, yeah, I'm a sacrifice. Everything
Speaker 1: been a sacrificial lamb been the sacrificial Would you be
Speaker 1: would you be like I just been that movement, the
Speaker 1: sacrificial land from the standpoint of like everybody has had
Speaker 1: got even bigger checks than I got after me or whatever,
Speaker 1: because people learned what to do with the artists. You
Speaker 1: don't understand the biggest difference between me and death Chad,
Speaker 1: which they just didn't understand. I was like the first
Speaker 1: of my kind. You know what I'm saying. Do you
Speaker 1: think you are? You can do on the side, But
Speaker 1: for lack of a better term, it's this whole thing
Speaker 1: mumble rap, Yes, sir. And the first mumble rap was
Speaker 1: looked us. We was just talking about this. I didn't
Speaker 1: think it was it was man skills. And I said,
Speaker 1: at first it looked at it like it was. It was.
Speaker 1: It was from the point almost like how backpack wrap
Speaker 1: was backpack. I don't think I don't think this say
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I'm telling you. I'm just telling you
Speaker 1: my perspective. Back mumble rap was something that people like. Oh,
Speaker 1: but now mumble rapp is like someone respectable. Do you
Speaker 1: feel like you're one of the kings of mumble rap?
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I don't think that mumber I
Speaker 1: don't because I didn't that and came after me. I
Speaker 1: felt mumber rap came in like twenty like that wasn't
Speaker 1: really my thing. Like mcconan and those guys were kind
Speaker 1: of giving you like melody driven melody. It's different to
Speaker 1: me than mumbling, though I'm saying, I said, nobody actually
Speaker 1: really makes money off of like just genuinely mumbling. But
Speaker 1: four World I told him, I can't believe that anybody
Speaker 1: would actually say I am a mumble rapper. No, I
Speaker 1: think that like the melody. No, I haven't now some more, sorry,
Speaker 1: but I just I just couldn't see it, like I
Speaker 1: felt like that came out as a disk more like
Speaker 1: these are mumbo rappers backpack rap. I don't see it
Speaker 1: the same offense. You know, that was not that that
Speaker 1: was was That wasn't if they called you a backrap wrapper.
Speaker 1: You know what they were saying, that's all you have
Speaker 1: money to give you when you call someone back, and
Speaker 1: they wanted there gonna start just because just cos hardcore hippop.
Speaker 1: It was a hardcore hipoper. They don't call you back
Speaker 1: back now, backpack wrap and you're like, okay, that's a
Speaker 1: tiler clo like, I think it's a lot of things.
Speaker 1: It's respect but most death it's respecting people wouldn't But
Speaker 1: at first it wasn't. I'm just saying. I was say,
Speaker 1: you think my rap shouldn't be respecting. I think the
Speaker 1: version of Mumbo rap with the melodies like, but the
Speaker 1: homie just said with the melody these uh they said
Speaker 1: up mumbling. It's just you can't really articulate everything. I
Speaker 1: think that. I'm just saying they wouldn't call themselves mumbo.
Speaker 1: That's think another shot. Come on, you get to the
Speaker 1: bottom over come on, I'll lose that, David. Let me
Speaker 1: do a good' Come on, I see what I've really
Speaker 1: So what I what I would say to you is this,
Speaker 1: And I mean, I mean nine years might not be
Speaker 1: a lot in this game, but we still be here.
Speaker 1: I mean a lot to me because every day somebody
Speaker 1: count me out every single day. So what I tell
Speaker 1: you is in the midst of it, I still study
Speaker 1: and do my homework on the game because you have to.
Speaker 1: That's the only way I feel like you did your
Speaker 1: homework to get this podcast exactly. To understand nobody would
Speaker 1: know that the guy that the songs and for real
Speaker 1: and was like a real live street could talk that
Speaker 1: talk and that conversation with anybody. Yes, they knew you
Speaker 1: could comic. You know what I'm saying. So that is
Speaker 1: why I do my homework, because I mean, so many
Speaker 1: different brothers or whatever from the playboard cardis to hole.
Speaker 1: You know, I've meant all these people you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and got respect from all these people Andrew
Speaker 1: three thousand, you know, And I realized that like when
Speaker 1: I get to talk to him, I always talk to
Speaker 1: a different person. I don't talk to the person that
Speaker 1: you see see on TV. I get to talk to
Speaker 1: the actual person. And so I know that this is
Speaker 1: a good brother or a good sister because when I
Speaker 1: googled you, one of the first things that popped up
Speaker 1: was what hit wonder Now, I know that you're aware
Speaker 1: of that because I'm aware of what they called me.
Speaker 1: But do you consider yourself that or how does one
Speaker 1: say that when they say that? Well, I think that
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, when somebody only has
Speaker 1: one hit, that you know, then the science of it
Speaker 1: is you have one hit or whatever. But I mean
Speaker 1: I have a lot of plaquess exactly. You know that
Speaker 1: it's always like for me, it's kind of like how
Speaker 1: somebody look at if you don't have your own soul plaques,
Speaker 1: but then you're only going to get counted for the
Speaker 1: ones that you have plaque for that of your song.
Speaker 1: So like August have seen that that's double platinum work Remix,
Speaker 1: that's double platinum, um Bruno Mars, that's diamond. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like that doesn't count for hits or
Speaker 1: for me just because that's that's that's their head. That counts.
Speaker 1: That deminitely accounts, we know because I wasn't on it exactly.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. That comes that talk what
Speaker 1: that also saying to tell answer to get back to
Speaker 1: what we're talking about, which is mumble rappers, and you
Speaker 1: know that perspective. You know, I truly truly feel that
Speaker 1: to actually make it in this game, it's still not easy.
Speaker 1: So and whatever you're doing, whatever that skill craft that
Speaker 1: you bring to it or whatever, you still got to
Speaker 1: be the best version of it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You do open the door for a certain kind of
Speaker 1: worms that certain people are who are sticklers of this
Speaker 1: game will be like I hate that, I hate everything
Speaker 1: and stands for and that's totally fine. It's people that
Speaker 1: hate it. Uncle Luke Uncle lukek Norty Uncle Luke. Uncle
Speaker 1: Luke ain't big, but the Uncle Luke is Uncle Luke crew.
Speaker 1: What we're talking about everybody is the biggest thing at
Speaker 1: the top of the pyramid. For me is hip hop
Speaker 1: is keeping wrapped the number one genre because at one
Speaker 1: point in time we wasn't and so whatever it takes
Speaker 1: to keep us at number one, go for it. So
Speaker 1: I'm with you. That's for me, respectfully, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, because that is what it's important. We can't
Speaker 1: depend on the best rappers to keep hip hop number
Speaker 1: one because they haven't. But that's true. When the best
Speaker 1: rappers were the best rappers, hip hop wasn't number one
Speaker 1: until when everybody became inclusive, everybody, everybody. That's that's when everybody.
Speaker 1: That's when we came number one. So that's what's important.
Speaker 1: And this doesn't take away. This doesn't take away from
Speaker 1: how great Kendrick lamarco rapper or Jake Cole and the
Speaker 1: niggas who can rap. It doesn't take away from the
Speaker 1: way that Playboy Cardi puts his songs together. Because we
Speaker 1: are all equally important, because the number one thing that
Speaker 1: should be at the top of the pyramid is rap
Speaker 1: is hip hop, and most of the lyrical very cool,
Speaker 1: great rappers. They spacious in their times and their albums. Anyway,
Speaker 1: there's no one like like you know that's supposed to
Speaker 1: be like the best to drop the album year after
Speaker 1: right now and then and then if Kendrick dropping his album,
Speaker 1: which I can't wait for us, and and and they
Speaker 1: don't live up to your height? You know now, is
Speaker 1: he not? The Kendrick has killed it for us for
Speaker 1: all these I'm teen years. You really truly can't please anyway. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the moral of the story. You truly can't. You know.
Speaker 1: Opinions is what keeps this game going and what gets
Speaker 1: us pain and what allows us to have conversation, to
Speaker 1: have podcast. What's the worst opinion you ever heard of yourself? Oh?
Speaker 1: I mean that you know, I'm not gonna make it,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, I'm not that this
Speaker 1: is the worst. That's the worst. That's the worst. You
Speaker 1: know anything else don't I probably haven't heard it, probably
Speaker 1: been worse, you know what I'm saying. It's like, I mean,
Speaker 1: my parents or whatever, But I can't be mad at
Speaker 1: the person I see every morning. I fought with that guy.
Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying, that's my nigger something that that's
Speaker 1: a patty, Like I said once again, like bro, when
Speaker 1: I got into this game, it felt like high school
Speaker 1: all over again. In high school, I was pretty freak cool, man,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I was pretty funk. That's
Speaker 1: why I wanted to Like again, I didn't want to
Speaker 1: take take up, take up for t'all, and like that's
Speaker 1: my man, but I don't want to take up from them.
Speaker 1: But I can understand, like you know, you're coming from
Speaker 1: left field, like with this with this energy that they
Speaker 1: don't understand, Like I don't say it's indicative of what
Speaker 1: you do, like dads are my big Criz was like
Speaker 1: that's how I tried. That's my am, right. I see
Speaker 1: him being competitive though, and and that's at the time.
Speaker 1: I don't think mean addict like how you interpreted it.
Speaker 1: I think he's being in the moment. His attitude wasn't
Speaker 1: the best attitude or whatever, and you just don't think
Speaker 1: about it. Like I just watched this shit on on
Speaker 1: on Netflix called The Crew, and it's about this NASCAR ship.
Speaker 1: That's how much I really love Kevin James as an actor.
Speaker 1: I hate NASCAR, but I was able to watch this
Speaker 1: whole season and none of the people who drove cars
Speaker 1: against each other got along. It just was like it
Speaker 1: was the nature of the business. It was just like, alright, cool,
Speaker 1: like we're actually cool as people. But when we get
Speaker 1: to the over together, fuck you brotherfucker your brother focus
Speaker 1: is over there, and I was like, this is him.
Speaker 1: I was like, I was just like we all got
Speaker 1: this one new places we hang out with, but like,
Speaker 1: I'm still trying to take your head off. I'm still
Speaker 1: trying to show you that I'm the I'm the man.
Speaker 1: That was probably that was definitely that was definitely lead
Speaker 1: his energy. He was probably just naming itself the king
Speaker 1: of the South to at that time of the South.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying that at that time right there,
Speaker 1: if you go back to everything felt the same. The
Speaker 1: reason why I came with something different because it just
Speaker 1: felt like I got tired of what we were doing.
Speaker 1: It just felt traditional. And once again, I've never been
Speaker 1: a traditional person, and so I was like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: got something to say, I got something to show, I
Speaker 1: got something I want to get off my chest or whatever.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do my music, you know, And it wasn't
Speaker 1: to be to go up against t I oh that
Speaker 1: because coming from where I'm coming from, how I look
Speaker 1: at the game at the time, I'm not coming in
Speaker 1: with a big perspective because I don't even know. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna just started independently and build
Speaker 1: myself up. I don't know where it's gonna go because
Speaker 1: my life is already kind of together on the style
Speaker 1: of side of things, running the closing store. I'm in
Speaker 1: the streets. I'm hustling. I'm cool with everybody, the real
Speaker 1: street niggas, you know, saying the litt college students, you know,
Speaker 1: the people who work at all the good companies, lawyers.
Speaker 1: These all come to the rock with me on the
Speaker 1: Friday when they get paid. So they asked you because
Speaker 1: I think the f started earlier, like you had one
Speaker 1: of the biggest deals from Depth Jam at that time.
Speaker 1: That time, man, at that time it came out, they
Speaker 1: came the old labels, I believe, because it blew up
Speaker 1: without the actually like college basketball when you high school
Speaker 1: psychologist giving letters. So they came into and I believe
Speaker 1: it's a two million out of deal. Oh I'm low.
Speaker 1: It's around there, Okay, a little bit up, Okay, alright, cool,
Speaker 1: So you got one record, but depth, how does that?
Speaker 1: How does that feeling? What is that? L A Reid
Speaker 1: at the time. No, No, that's Steve, Steve Bottles. No,
Speaker 1: that's very wise, that's very wise. He's the he's the
Speaker 1: CEO at the time. Um. The people that signed me
Speaker 1: at the time was Boo Care Quak San. That is
Speaker 1: because the Asian homegirl. Great people, great people. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Um, Like I said Blue as Brother,
Speaker 1: because these are the people that kind of pushed up
Speaker 1: together shout out to I've got to give love to
Speaker 1: Shoka um um not from Shock, the one from New York. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Because he had a pardon
Speaker 1: in situations. I never knew the details of it, but
Speaker 1: I knew he always kind of like felt the type
Speaker 1: of way because he got finessed some type of way.
Speaker 1: I had nothing to do with that have but that's
Speaker 1: on business side. But I'm gonna give him his flowers
Speaker 1: because thank you whatever he was saying, help my name,
Speaker 1: you know, put my work up, you know, and he
Speaker 1: said a different shock. It's not shocking from Atlanta, assuming
Speaker 1: that's a woman from rock Nation. Yeah, you think you're
Speaker 1: talking about the same shocking, like what used to be
Speaker 1: Deth Jam way back used to that. That's what we're
Speaker 1: talking to New York kre Okay, yeah, yea, yeah, this
Speaker 1: your back about two. Don't get shot. You said shocking
Speaker 1: to hold me like that Field was a woman saying
Speaker 1: she works used to work out def jams. The woman bad.
Speaker 1: It's a man, that's gotta be It was def Jam
Speaker 1: so he yeah, okay, the person who got from next Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm giving your flowers right right, cool, I gotta stick
Speaker 1: a number about the thinking about calling them right now.
Speaker 1: You have to kind of very very story. So you know,
Speaker 1: these are the people who, you know, we're involved in
Speaker 1: putting it together, you know. And I met with you
Speaker 1: know a lot of labels. You know, I met with
Speaker 1: a lot of labels, and I remember l A read too,
Speaker 1: Lary was dope. I mean with Jimmy IRV. Jimmy Aben
Speaker 1: is the man. Jim Jimmy Jimmy Iveen gave me courtside
Speaker 1: seats to the like it's going well. You mad, Um
Speaker 1: not bad or was it any disappointment when um you
Speaker 1: went with Death Jam didn't go with anybody else? No,
Speaker 1: it definitely wasn't disappointment. Looking back at it, I do
Speaker 1: wish it I went with r C A if I'm
Speaker 1: not mistaken, I think O r C at Columbia one
Speaker 1: or the two I would ever be just because looking
Speaker 1: at it, they under they go a little bit harder
Speaker 1: for their a different type of artists. Whatever. Death Jam
Speaker 1: is TRADITIONALM. And once again, like I keep saying to you,
Speaker 1: I'm not TRADITIONALM, but not so traditional. They have flavor flame.
Speaker 1: But it was a part of Yeah, what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: it's part of a traditional world, like the way that
Speaker 1: hip hop is supposed to be brand which you know,
Speaker 1: I respect that picking up we don't know, let's see,
Speaker 1: no s I just just just FaceTime, you know. So, Um,
Speaker 1: that was the difference, you know what I'm saying, would
Speaker 1: say that that was like one of the biggest things,
Speaker 1: you know, I just had to learn a hard lesson,
Speaker 1: like I didn't like, you know what. I The one
Speaker 1: thing and if there's anything I don't like about everything
Speaker 1: that went down was that, you know, if we're doing
Speaker 1: business as grown men and women. You know, it's like
Speaker 1: for me, if me and you're doing business, I'll never
Speaker 1: tell nobody in here about our business, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, especially when it comes to how much money,
Speaker 1: Like if I'm doing if you're doing a service for
Speaker 1: me and you charge me twenty bands, and twenty bands
Speaker 1: is what I paid you or whatever, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: run and tell everybody in here how much I paid you.
Speaker 1: But that's just not my thing. But I just realized
Speaker 1: that everything that you do in this game, when you're
Speaker 1: coming in at the top of when you're at the
Speaker 1: top whatever is, people gotta announced that they won't they won't,
Speaker 1: you know what a validation And I've never lived in
Speaker 1: a place of validation. So that just turned me off
Speaker 1: from the day right after I signed or whatever, like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'll see what everybody is about in this game. I
Speaker 1: get it, you know what I'm saying, Like, I don't
Speaker 1: fully get it, but I see it for what it is,
Speaker 1: and I just got to move accordingly and find myself
Speaker 1: within it because obviously I'm not gonna quit. We're here
Speaker 1: now because I'm not gonna quit. But I see what
Speaker 1: y'all about. From everybody from artists, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: t taught me the hard lesson. I learned a great
Speaker 1: lesson from two chains, but I learned a hard lesson
Speaker 1: from dem Sham. You know what I'm saying. Everybody taught
Speaker 1: me very hard lessons or whatever taught me a hard lessons.
Speaker 1: It was it like because what was the second single
Speaker 1: after Forget its Welcome, Women's Welcome, which was you know,
Speaker 1: way ahead of his time. Nobody was doing hipolysis. You're
Speaker 1: going against yourself, they're lucking hearing you. You probably beat
Speaker 1: that second single is probably beating the whole building. But
Speaker 1: it's not beating. That's that's the curse. That's what do
Speaker 1: you understand? What just no, no, no, no no, I'm understanding.
Speaker 1: Like it's like it's like it's hood, We're gonna work.
Speaker 1: We know what. It's like that syndrome. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. That Bugatti, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: records like that I whatever, like you know with Females Welcome,
Speaker 1: you know the type of things that I had to
Speaker 1: deal with is like, you know, first the radio was like, man,
Speaker 1: we don't know how to play a record that has
Speaker 1: hip hop and E d M on it. You know
Speaker 1: they couldn't. That was the first and I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: it's excuse, it's just the truth. Whatever. I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, someone, I wouldn't have got Juicy J on
Speaker 1: the remix. I got Juice on the remix. I was like,
Speaker 1: let's do this one because Juicy the man, he had
Speaker 1: bands to make him dance. And that's when Juicy making
Speaker 1: his resurgence. But this is great, literally Juicy Jay's label,
Speaker 1: not Juicy because he's a great guy. He's amazing. I wouldever,
Speaker 1: he killed the verse, send it to him. I met
Speaker 1: him out of show. I asked, I say, but I
Speaker 1: would love to have you on my real was because
Speaker 1: this is what's happening. This situation is going on with me.
Speaker 1: They won't play my record for my second single on
Speaker 1: the radio because it's too different for them. I would ever,
Speaker 1: nobody had Nobody at the time had the record that
Speaker 1: was hip hop with the E d M in the middle.
Speaker 1: How whatever. Then Rocky came a while for the Night
Speaker 1: with screw X and and everybody accepted it for what
Speaker 1: it is. But I kicked that off. Can't nobody tell
Speaker 1: me different or whatever? So I changed it up, got
Speaker 1: j on it his label wouldn't clear the verse because
Speaker 1: I think it's commented they wuldn't clear the verse because
Speaker 1: he had too many features on the radio. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: It happened like that. Look when they said that to me,
Speaker 1: I was like, Yo, this right here is devised for
Speaker 1: you to either quit be piste off all the time
Speaker 1: or to lose you know, And so I just had
Speaker 1: to find myself. Man. You know, all those things are
Speaker 1: the things I was dealing with all leading up to
Speaker 1: that whole New York situation you asked me about, you know,
Speaker 1: so dealing with just like where dumb business? Jaka, what's
Speaker 1: going on? Brother? Yo? Listen, we got we got Trinidad.
Speaker 1: Jameson didn't drink chap and he did say that there
Speaker 1: is a brother name Shotgun that has something to do
Speaker 1: with this. That he didn't feel like if you got
Speaker 1: the camera and we didn't, he didn't. He felt like
Speaker 1: he should have gave him some props to he He
Speaker 1: felt like that it was it was had something to
Speaker 1: do with making the deal. But maybe you never got
Speaker 1: your props. I know he's talking about. I don't. He
Speaker 1: would have to jog my memory. But we're just in conversation.
Speaker 1: I do, you know, I do a lot of behind
Speaker 1: the scenes conversation. Um. And I propped the record up
Speaker 1: because the record was going crazy in Atlanta. If he
Speaker 1: who signed him? He right here, he right here, right here.
Speaker 1: I passed the forth. What's going on? My brother, So look,
Speaker 1: let's make him so obviously what I'm saying, we're working
Speaker 1: right now or whatever, but just in general and from
Speaker 1: this is what I story that I've heard is that
Speaker 1: you know, you god, you were putting it work on
Speaker 1: my record. I did, I didn't know, right, And then
Speaker 1: they got the credit for the record referring to you
Speaker 1: know the people who they said, Simon who signed me,
Speaker 1: Karen Quak, Sean Pecas, Chris Atlas and Boom. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and the what the word is what's being said is
Speaker 1: that you know, you felt the type of way about it,
Speaker 1: not towards me, obviously, you know, but towards them. So
Speaker 1: I wanted to give you the flowers that you deserved,
Speaker 1: just in general, because obviously you know that was out
Speaker 1: of my control. Yeah, I got there. I appreciate it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was that was at the time when I just
Speaker 1: anything that came out of Atlanta. I was champion, but
Speaker 1: obviously it was a movement and I was just putting.
Speaker 1: I was I was on people next about making sure
Speaker 1: that they signed certain talent, and I wanted to go
Speaker 1: through my label and some stuff. You know, we know
Speaker 1: one you got over ride participation or whatever. Then you know,
Speaker 1: mysteriously and you know, pop up in other people's It
Speaker 1: was situation, but you know, but for Trunidad, I was
Speaker 1: just happy and I definitely was co signing the movement
Speaker 1: because it was off the chain when it was happening.
Speaker 1: Goddamn mixing things to that bad shocking so much. Were
Speaker 1: just like you looking history. Man. We love this man,
Speaker 1: man love always my brother, my bros. Shocking motherfucker's do
Speaker 1: the bay. So that that's history right there. That you listen.
Speaker 1: By the way, for people who don't know all those
Speaker 1: names you just named, ain't a lightweight on there. Nobody
Speaker 1: who know who names, nobody's alive. I don't even need
Speaker 1: you name then all you need name like you guys
Speaker 1: said him. That's how seriousness this is. Me leaving the
Speaker 1: streets and walking into meetings with people like this and
Speaker 1: happen to say yourself, you know, when you've seen Bobby's murder,
Speaker 1: dancing on the table, and just I'm type of meetings.
Speaker 1: That was my meeting. I wasn't at something table, but
Speaker 1: you know those I was me. You know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying to like, let them know who I was. And
Speaker 1: I've never changed. The same person talking to you right now,
Speaker 1: that's the same person talking to them. And it's like,
Speaker 1: let's do business. So when we did business and things
Speaker 1: started happening, the things that started happening as as after
Speaker 1: I signed my deal, it just kind of rubbed me
Speaker 1: the wrong way. And like I said, I just never
Speaker 1: had no big homie. What was the worst? Like, um,
Speaker 1: like it's like, damn, this this is like fake industry
Speaker 1: because I had so many moments for me where I
Speaker 1: was just like, you know what, this is another streets
Speaker 1: at all. Let me let me differentiate this. But what
Speaker 1: was the first? Maybe not the worst? What was the first? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think was the first, But you know what I said,
Speaker 1: your perspective on it is a perspective that I've seen
Speaker 1: longer down in my career where it's just like, bro,
Speaker 1: if you're at the top, I'm gonna come. I would
Speaker 1: have like I watched a lot of movies I'm a
Speaker 1: movie person. You know what if you say that you
Speaker 1: are the best fighter in the world, like you know
Speaker 1: what's Afro Samurai? You didn't see that samuraize an animal,
Speaker 1: you know when he travels around and the person that
Speaker 1: wears the number one band. You can only get it
Speaker 1: by if you're not number two. You can only get
Speaker 1: number one by killing number one. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I didn't you know, I didn't see that. That's
Speaker 1: what it was in the moment, because I'm looking at
Speaker 1: this like, Bro, I'm doing this bigger for Atlanta, for
Speaker 1: for us in period or whatever you like. I'm seeing
Speaker 1: it bigger. Why is you coming in here on this
Speaker 1: weird energy? Like you know? That's how I'm looking at it. Oh, that,
Speaker 1: but that's why I would have boom. You know you
Speaker 1: number one, sir, I'm gonna come and try and kill you.
Speaker 1: But you know I'm saying, but you didn't understand that.
Speaker 1: I didn't understand that in the time, So it came
Speaker 1: across defensive. It was like video games. You play video games.
Speaker 1: That's why nobody really shows you say I'm a teacher, Bro,
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a silence from help work because from
Speaker 1: the video game and y'all ain't trying to show you
Speaker 1: ain't trying to share nobody's energy on the video games
Speaker 1: drying across the bunk. He came from a perspectives were
Speaker 1: not trying to help exactly. And so I get that
Speaker 1: because you're gonna have people who identified with that type
Speaker 1: of energy where it's like if you number one, I'm
Speaker 1: in kil Mo. But you also have people that identifies like, hey, bro, Like, um,
Speaker 1: if you look at the Judah and the Black Side
Speaker 1: movie with first it's incredible, It's incredible with Ryan Coogler,
Speaker 1: all those people involved in the movie soundtrack is incredible,
Speaker 1: Hope and Nips. You know, my boy hit boy got
Speaker 1: a crazy song anyways. Um, if you look at like
Speaker 1: Fred Hampton or whatever, like he was a powerful black
Speaker 1: brother one when they killed him. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: It's like, but he went around to the Crowns and
Speaker 1: different Games and the the KKK and those people to like, look,
Speaker 1: let's work together, because together they can't funk with us.
Speaker 1: If it's just left up to one of us to
Speaker 1: do it, how are you gonna put all the responsibility
Speaker 1: on me? Nigga? I just came in this ship. The
Speaker 1: common sense is my vibe or whatever someone's like, instead
Speaker 1: of trying to kill me off the map or whatever,
Speaker 1: why don't you give me some game or whatever, because
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, like, that's why I
Speaker 1: love your thug, the stuff that I did for your
Speaker 1: thug in the beginning of his career, which not much
Speaker 1: or whatever, Like when I when I had my platform
Speaker 1: to be the number one guy and that no no, no,
Speaker 1: no no no, let me let me say, let me
Speaker 1: say myself, say myself say when I had my chance
Speaker 1: and doing my thing, and my platform is that platform
Speaker 1: where whatever I say goes. When I went to the
Speaker 1: radio station, I whatever, I knew that one of the
Speaker 1: most talented people in our city was young Thug. He
Speaker 1: had dropped. He had Danny Glover at the time. He's
Speaker 1: just coming off a three mix tape. Came from nothing
Speaker 1: one to three whatever. Danny Glover is the hardest song
Speaker 1: on Earth. Nobody had the hardest song. I Don't care
Speaker 1: who you were. Nobody had the hardest song. That was
Speaker 1: the most genre bending approached to a trap song that
Speaker 1: anybody had ever took. Any nobody creative thu future, nobody
Speaker 1: more creative we were trying to call Danny. I called here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Doug had a song called Danny Glove. Danny Glove at
Speaker 1: the most two of them. I had a song called
Speaker 1: and so when I went to radio station, you know,
Speaker 1: I made sure that I gave him his flowers and
Speaker 1: then Doug and when you know, I've always been a
Speaker 1: person to like, you know what, I'm gonna do my
Speaker 1: own shows. I put my money up and do my
Speaker 1: own shows. So when I do my own shows and
Speaker 1: book out of venue. When I started doing my own
Speaker 1: things or whatever, boom, I reached out to people like him,
Speaker 1: like come performing. O there, we gotta go back to
Speaker 1: how you do that? Just keep going. But that's another thing.
Speaker 1: So I did my own show, paid for my own
Speaker 1: money or whatever. I'm like, I reached out. I forgot
Speaker 1: how I reached out, but I got to him or whatever,
Speaker 1: and I was like, hey, bro, come perform. And I
Speaker 1: think because you are the truth. I know my purpose,
Speaker 1: I know my journey or whatever, but you are the
Speaker 1: real out damn truth whatever. Come performed. So he came performed.
Speaker 1: Peebe Longwood can't performed. Would have they're both incredible artists.
Speaker 1: He can't perform Danny Glover. For the people who got
Speaker 1: to enjoy that show, that was the most intimate, most
Speaker 1: amazing experience they will ever have with you or whatever,
Speaker 1: you know, And that is just that's how I look
Speaker 1: at it. It's like, look, if I know somebody is
Speaker 1: better than me as something, you come do this, you
Speaker 1: come do it. I didn't. I didn't because I was
Speaker 1: later on the energy that I put out there is
Speaker 1: be whoever you want to be, do whatever you want
Speaker 1: to do. I would have That's what Prince did. That's
Speaker 1: what did you know what I'm saying, that's what that's
Speaker 1: what did or whatever, because at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: you're going to have your opinion. My nails, You're going
Speaker 1: to have your opinion on it. His dress, You're gonna
Speaker 1: have an opinion on it. You're titled to do that.
Speaker 1: Names if Rick James offered me some coping, I'm sniffing
Speaker 1: cocon all that what you said, I am molly about you?
Speaker 1: Somebody singing about Molly. When you said I popped Molly,
Speaker 1: I'm sweat. Come in, Donor said I'm in, I'm coming.
Speaker 1: But as you and we're talking now, you know, and
Speaker 1: you always from the first time we met, you know,
Speaker 1: just telling somebody this. Last night, I was talking to
Speaker 1: a little female and she was asking, like, how do
Speaker 1: this come about? What you did on Nori? I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what I meant. You know, you embraced me,
Speaker 1: but just so it is and I would have never
Speaker 1: thought that your energy It was like that. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, because once again, if we just listen
Speaker 1: to somebody music exactly, you know what exactly it's like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's just different exactly, it's it's it's an Ora,
Speaker 1: it's or you're gonna live in an oral like me. Firstly,
Speaker 1: um like Prell changed my life. I'm being honest. When
Speaker 1: Perrell told me that, he said, Michael Jackson all this
Speaker 1: music that he made with Michael Jackson, but Michael Jackson
Speaker 1: wanted the music that we made together. And it made
Speaker 1: me realize that sometimes you gotta watch what you say
Speaker 1: because you attracted, but sometimes you're gonna just attract something
Speaker 1: that maybe you didn't want or maybe you didn't know,
Speaker 1: but they're gonna be Justice is important, and I've always
Speaker 1: been that guy like to be able to go to
Speaker 1: the South early, like I've been working with David Bannam
Speaker 1: when he was in crook at Lettics. I was working
Speaker 1: with with Juvenile before. Yeah, I was working like like
Speaker 1: I was like the first artist that cash Money work
Speaker 1: within New York. I knew what time it was in
Speaker 1: the South because I had family in the South connect
Speaker 1: and yeah, and the thing is all I know, I
Speaker 1: gotta ask it to y'all and you gotta act it
Speaker 1: to me. We just saying it's like sorry to say
Speaker 1: people were sick. Bro, you gotta do rag let's go.
Speaker 1: I gotta make this is freaking up New York, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's good, all right. So and so it was easy
Speaker 1: for me to actually what people call different not I
Speaker 1: don't want to call him normal. And that's that's what
Speaker 1: even me and this brother like, um, you know, I
Speaker 1: was coming to the South early, and I knew what
Speaker 1: I came to Miami. I was gonna come back and
Speaker 1: I was gonna frequent and me and him develop this
Speaker 1: relationship and that's what that's really what it is. So
Speaker 1: you know, the world is actually small if you're actually
Speaker 1: really getting money and you're traveling, the world is small,
Speaker 1: like it's mad small, Like you can go to Dooms
Speaker 1: the door of Dermany, the bumping that somebody getting Chinese food.
Speaker 1: You know what this thing is doing? Club, so spak
Speaker 1: kicking him, make fi kick thinking we know your family
Speaker 1: owned clubs. You guys own the Branson vodka along with fifty.
Speaker 1: You gotta ellaboration together, you and the Branson vodka. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about it. So the Branson, um and the Champagne,
Speaker 1: the Shimen Deloy, and that's what we're moving now. Um
Speaker 1: love how you said that ship bad fast. I don't
Speaker 1: think you know how to pronounce it very good the
Speaker 1: way you pronounced it back, that's what it is. Okay,
Speaker 1: the Branson. That's what we're moving now. And then you
Speaker 1: know everything going on. It's not easy to be in
Speaker 1: the clubs and move the lick at the way we are,
Speaker 1: but we're trying to make it work as best as
Speaker 1: we can. So what's going on with New York clubs?
Speaker 1: Are we still shut down? We still shut down? To eleven?
Speaker 1: Now indoor dining is back open to eleven Jersey? You
Speaker 1: could they let in the town choose so like Elizabeth
Speaker 1: like called the twelve but the two in the morning
Speaker 1: so zones he's owning it. Depending when this comes out.
Speaker 1: We don't know what's going on. But that's what it
Speaker 1: is for right now. Everybody goes to move to Atlanta.
Speaker 1: Why open the Texas Texas? Really, I didn't know about
Speaker 1: Texas spak. How many Trigorda records you spent? How like
Speaker 1: four or five? Okay? Okay, okay, okay. And New York
Speaker 1: were a tough crowd. Listen, New York can't get New
Speaker 1: York club all the time. He was saying that you
Speaker 1: see nigga like just speaking ran down there. This is
Speaker 1: I don't have to make this stuff first, Like I
Speaker 1: literally heard it from the mouth of real New York
Speaker 1: niggas where they don't get to support that they feel
Speaker 1: they truly deserved. And I felt them niggas deserved it too.
Speaker 1: Just feel like eight years ago we should feel somebody
Speaker 1: like Pop Smoke getting all this love. But isn't it
Speaker 1: like a bit of sweet because Pop is getting When
Speaker 1: I'm listening, by the way, all my phones, when they
Speaker 1: asked my address, I still put in my address now
Speaker 1: seven seven Avenue, So everything is called is colded to.
Speaker 1: When I listened to my app, I get the New
Speaker 1: York commercials, I get the the traffic for the Triborough Bridge. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: I live it here for the last forty years. But
Speaker 1: I listened up. Pop Smokes gets so much of this love.
Speaker 1: But this isn't a kind of bitter suite because it's like,
Speaker 1: wouldn't it meant more? Off? Pop was getting that love.
Speaker 1: He was alive, but he wasn't. He was in New York.
Speaker 1: He was getting in love. But like when I was like, man,
Speaker 1: when I did not, but when I did the club,
Speaker 1: it would have happened to him alive. It just happened
Speaker 1: to be Tortue. Travis would have got that. Travis got
Speaker 1: that there at least at least the fishes were Travis
Speaker 1: and quite. He dropped solid process again to come on
Speaker 1: late with the brass fifty. How you be late with
Speaker 1: direst It was I'm blaming it on fifty every time
Speaker 1: we go an. But when I was in Musing in Texas,
Speaker 1: I've seen the reaction, I'm like, damn, they really that
Speaker 1: he was going after he was going after he was gone.
Speaker 1: So when he was here, it wasn't out of town
Speaker 1: that big yet all. So last time we was here
Speaker 1: before the pandemic shutdown, it was me, fifty and Pop.
Speaker 1: We were in Miami. We did came with the Dream
Speaker 1: and we did Booby Trap and he's performing, but they
Speaker 1: not welcome to the party. Early state, they didn't really
Speaker 1: know it yet. The only reason they ranking the Strip
Speaker 1: Club because all the New York nigglas was in the
Speaker 1: Strip Club. But Miami ain't really gravitated the way they
Speaker 1: gravitate to it now. Miami is always like that though. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's still the South, you know what it's like. We
Speaker 1: gotta look the album that he dropped before he passed away.
Speaker 1: We had Element on it. The songs were Quavo or
Speaker 1: whatever like that. By the time that album, I think
Speaker 1: the momentum goodness. Now he is legit amazing, Like from
Speaker 1: from that situation that you brought up in twenty to
Speaker 1: where it is now. That's all I'm saying. I was like,
Speaker 1: these artists to serve ticket their music playing, they're dope,
Speaker 1: And what's the artist right now? From New York? Far
Speaker 1: and fave rio, fabio, um c J J J J
Speaker 1: I Bookie, No, it's Bookie, damn about to be o G.
Speaker 1: You can't do that. So I don't know what it
Speaker 1: was like. No, that's how fashion is going. But I
Speaker 1: don't think we just got a good seventh Ace Bookie
Speaker 1: Ace Bookie got a good what's que what's this? Homie?
Speaker 1: Um q q al right? Who else? Who else? Put
Speaker 1: me to some somebody? I shooting? Um? What's coming out
Speaker 1: of New York? And Jada Prince? Where do I? Chef G?
Speaker 1: Chef G sleepy hollow? Those dudes moving okay and they're
Speaker 1: doing listen up, come on, come on, come on. You
Speaker 1: ain't t't have me trap so much. Just can't watch
Speaker 1: because when the table watch it, I just can't watch him.
Speaker 1: He had me, had me a trap. I feel like
Speaker 1: New York tried to come together. I think because oh,
Speaker 1: you always see the mean Atlanta they gets stayed together, yeah,
Speaker 1: that thing. But New York it's like they traveling and
Speaker 1: they're still being lokey competition each other. I don't know
Speaker 1: what it is. I was just playing to him earlier.
Speaker 1: I think that's just the competition of the business. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's New York New York. So I think
Speaker 1: that New York has the biggest energy where it's like
Speaker 1: doggy dog energy, But I think it not to have
Speaker 1: that anymore. I think I think we're for I'm saying
Speaker 1: from everything that I kicked off from when I got
Speaker 1: my damn lashing from what I said, and then gradually,
Speaker 1: as you've seen, it was just like, look, you're so
Speaker 1: much shot spake kid, Come on, baby, man, you can't
Speaker 1: let's go Let's go back. Don't da just go oh
Speaker 1: smooth out too out of Brooklyn. Come on. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's at the end of the day. Man's look,
Speaker 1: if you're doing good music, you deserve And I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you, in two years, Atlanta is going to be
Speaker 1: worse than New York with the competition. You think, so,
Speaker 1: that's just not an energy. We have Southern hospitality at
Speaker 1: our core. Y'all don't, y'all don't that's the biggest difference
Speaker 1: what he said it though. That's that's how he didn't it.
Speaker 1: That's the it's the truth that the South before two
Speaker 1: years it's okay, but I'm gonna tell you this. I'm
Speaker 1: Atlanta has always been ahead of everybody in terms of
Speaker 1: their unity. Man. Yeah, but I've also seen the footages
Speaker 1: talking about it recently, I can't say nothing other than that.
Speaker 1: Talking about the footages, I think that I think that's
Speaker 1: at least saying like I think that this happens. What
Speaker 1: you're saying that it is correct. But you're saying amongst
Speaker 1: the I don't think that's the music. I think that's
Speaker 1: the undersmellingship. Same cold. These younger I like a little baby.
Speaker 1: I like little baby, little baby, show up. He didn't
Speaker 1: did songs with TI. He did songs for all these
Speaker 1: older guys. And you know one thing, I'll give alan
Speaker 1: cred the younger hearted. They always pay how much to
Speaker 1: Jeez Gucci and they love to the older niggas New
Speaker 1: York niggers. Now they're gonna tell you that They're not
Speaker 1: gonna tell you that do a young New York artists
Speaker 1: show love to older New York niggas. Funk Jest started
Speaker 1: like making niggas do songs with him or doing songs
Speaker 1: doing him like you got something. I'm just saying, Look,
Speaker 1: I'm a t J too. I can tell you that.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying. You know what I'm saying. It's like,
Speaker 1: that's that's why it times back in it again. Young,
Speaker 1: I don't see this was crazy? You know what's crazy? Um?
Speaker 1: I think I said this with Lords of the Underground,
Speaker 1: Is there or it'd be important for the older dudes
Speaker 1: to keep looking good. I don't think that's the I
Speaker 1: think that the old, the middle class and the young
Speaker 1: are on the same rat race. It's one chart and
Speaker 1: we perman rator right Erban radio is one chart right,
Speaker 1: and we're talking about industry and industry because we we
Speaker 1: miss conscrewed culture and industry and there's a cross road.
Speaker 1: But there's two different day so you have to use
Speaker 1: For example, you have t I Le and uh chef
Speaker 1: g all competing for the same spot of Herban Radio,
Speaker 1: which is like different age range. You know, tis his
Speaker 1: age's his age, chefs age. Because there's only one chart,
Speaker 1: it's only one charge. It's not like, oh this is
Speaker 1: the twenty and under charge. This is the understand what
Speaker 1: you say, one charts totality, but overall, I don't think
Speaker 1: we're compete for the same But there's there's different platforms though,
Speaker 1: because as an artist is big on TikTok, where he
Speaker 1: not big on radio. Isn't this powerful radios? Last I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be on the club. We're here in the club
Speaker 1: and the record of break like this is it. Then
Speaker 1: it gets on radio after it's old to us now
Speaker 1: because it's like they're playing they added songs now from
Speaker 1: pop on radio it's like, Bro, that's two years old.
Speaker 1: How is that being added now? That's because they running
Speaker 1: on a song. They just trying to keep him on
Speaker 1: the radio. That they shut you a fifty down with
Speaker 1: the Aces club. What happened with what club? Police? I
Speaker 1: thought you had a club together, you fifty and Aces,
Speaker 1: And then I heard the police said, it's not gonna happen. No, no, no.
Speaker 1: My brother started Lust in Brooklyn. Lust and Brooklyn Lust
Speaker 1: and Brooklyn. We had the club. They the cops kept
Speaker 1: doing nove on wone calls. Come to find out the
Speaker 1: cops were running, uh drugs and gambling around the corner
Speaker 1: in the hotel. So the cops they were trying to
Speaker 1: put that test on us. It was then they got rated.
Speaker 1: They all got fired. It was a whole bunch of ship.
Speaker 1: I went to Beat, I went to We're not gonna
Speaker 1: But it was just crazy that it was always attack
Speaker 1: on us. Bro. But that was a place that I
Speaker 1: felt was like a s ob Sits one of the
Speaker 1: best quality of what I'm saying because a lot of artists,
Speaker 1: a lot of artists came out of there and be honest,
Speaker 1: Boogie Fettie designer, a lot of young and maid Bobby
Speaker 1: Smirt when he first came up, came out. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was that moment where everything like when Hot Nick came
Speaker 1: on the first time in that club, seeing that reaction,
Speaker 1: it was just it was different from Credible song. It
Speaker 1: was different than the strip club. It was kind of
Speaker 1: like a showcase. Was everybody through their hats. No, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I obviously thinking. But I thought up he
Speaker 1: could come home. It was your brody Roddy home. You
Speaker 1: knew we rowdy, you know, I never I never got
Speaker 1: to meet both of them, but huge fans. I noticed
Speaker 1: that if I meet them, I'll just give them them flowers.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't need to be we don't need
Speaker 1: to be friends or anything or whatever. But like I
Speaker 1: just respect that, like they respect each other. I love
Speaker 1: people who work in unity. I love people that stay down.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying when I don't know how
Speaker 1: true it is. But when they said that Bobby took
Speaker 1: more time, so that Roddy you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm saying, Like he could have
Speaker 1: got out earlier, but he took more time because he
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna stitch on this man. To me, there's things
Speaker 1: that just don't happen at often in life, not even
Speaker 1: your first record. You said, I don't folk with nose snitches.
Speaker 1: That's just not my thing. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's like I live by the moral code that every
Speaker 1: man should live, you know what I'm saying. They might
Speaker 1: not look the same as all did you do it?
Speaker 1: But I still live about the same for you or whatever,
Speaker 1: and it shouldn't be, but it's not. And we know
Speaker 1: that a simple as that. We'll make you take that
Speaker 1: as prost because you say, like you know, you your
Speaker 1: style and people you was, you know, working at a
Speaker 1: boutique store. But we'll make you still take that same
Speaker 1: morral code as a person that is, you know, sleeping
Speaker 1: crack twenty four something. I mean, I think that at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, man, if I don't have
Speaker 1: me the man to get when I look in the
Speaker 1: mirror in the morning, and I will never have me.
Speaker 1: The artists together that was like the big defining moment
Speaker 1: for me or whatever. It was like, Look, if I
Speaker 1: can't figure out who I am and who I love
Speaker 1: to be, then whatever you think of trind that James,
Speaker 1: that's just gonna die real soon or whatever, because I
Speaker 1: have to know who I am as the man, because
Speaker 1: the man was the man before y'all labeled me. The
Speaker 1: man has Trinda James. Trinda James is a title. But
Speaker 1: I was, like I said, I had a great high
Speaker 1: school career. I was lit in the streets before I
Speaker 1: came into the game. I love the streets that because
Speaker 1: I know how to do business in it. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I love that. I hate that we're
Speaker 1: in the pandemic. I hate that. But it got me
Speaker 1: back to my old hustles. It got me back to
Speaker 1: my fashion. It got me back to cannabis, and I
Speaker 1: was legal. You know what I'm saying. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying that it's a whole different experience than when
Speaker 1: I was trying to make it out here in the
Speaker 1: streets as an immigrant with no green card. Completely different.
Speaker 1: He's yourself with on the shop. Both of y'all know,
Speaker 1: seperate cup, separate cup, separate cup. This guy separate cup
Speaker 1: from the regular drink because I want you to still drink,
Speaker 1: but you have this is a shot cup. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean? That we're over here, baby, Let's do it,
Speaker 1: how y'all Jesus that one hit hard, So what's next?
Speaker 1: So for me, I'm on my business stuff. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm really crazy on black owned businesses. I brought black
Speaker 1: owned food restaurant. Talk to me. Still on complex, still
Speaker 1: with the same complex we got. We're in season nine.
Speaker 1: We don't need a hundred plus episodes full size what
Speaker 1: you did the drive revolt to right, so revolt. I
Speaker 1: was doing the Dad talks where I do affirmation with
Speaker 1: the day. That was incredible, Right, that was incredible. But
Speaker 1: I love that revolt. I love when people give a
Speaker 1: funk about positive stuff because the reality the industry don't
Speaker 1: give a about positive stuff. They want to make negative money,
Speaker 1: negative negative money. That was the best money on earth.
Speaker 1: And ask me telling like mediam negative negative Like it's
Speaker 1: not like, ain't nobody still want? You want to control negative?
Speaker 1: When you control your negatives, when you can train negatives different.
Speaker 1: I just want to talk about taking mollyg because I
Speaker 1: think Molly is a great thing. But you talking about
Speaker 1: but you talk about the mayor, don't talk about you.
Speaker 1: You talk about you taking Molledge. Other man talking about you? It, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's you gotta relax, talk crazy talt to be doesn't man?
Speaker 1: You correct me apart wrong. I think Molly is fucking fantastic.
Speaker 1: Molly is incredible. I've been done it in a long time.
Speaker 1: That's not something you do every day. It's like weed. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean to the person who doesn't every day, power
Speaker 1: to you. No, no, don't you gotta relax. You're different, different.
Speaker 1: There's people that do coke every day. For me, you should,
Speaker 1: you should talk everything. But people that something goes wrong
Speaker 1: give us a cocaine story. So I can't give you
Speaker 1: a cocaine story. Don't do cocaine. That's not my thing.
Speaker 1: Don't do it. I've never never done cocaine. I feel, actually,
Speaker 1: take a shot. Let's take it on the shot cocaine.
Speaker 1: I don't say we have some here, it's cocaine. I
Speaker 1: got it right here. You know, you ever gonna shot cool? Something?
Speaker 1: Little is the best drink. Champ stories in the world.
Speaker 1: Trade that wants and they got shots. But take it
Speaker 1: where you was that? What was that? So? You know
Speaker 1: right now, where I'm at with it is we're in
Speaker 1: a We're in a pandemic. You know, if anybody looking
Speaker 1: at this, whether it's twenty years from now, two years
Speaker 1: from now, we're in the pandemic, and the only people
Speaker 1: that's going to make money, the only people that's going
Speaker 1: to be happy with themselves, people that's adapting to what's
Speaker 1: going on. You can't do no shows right now. I
Speaker 1: just I dropped the album. And my album is incredible
Speaker 1: that I dropped. I dropped in August. It's called Black Filter.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. For people who don't know,
Speaker 1: check it out. I know that it's fired, you know,
Speaker 1: but you know I did twelve videos out of thirteen songs.
Speaker 1: You know how hard it is to videos independently at
Speaker 1: your own pocket. It is what it is. But I
Speaker 1: put that work in. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: we can't do no shows. And you know, the show
Speaker 1: is what makes us lit. The shows what really bring
Speaker 1: us in that back end, that brings us in the
Speaker 1: front end, that really bring us in the money to
Speaker 1: keep going or whatever. So at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: we're in the pandemic. I know, I just had to
Speaker 1: figure it out, like I gotta adjust because once again,
Speaker 1: I still don't have no big homies. I'm still I'm
Speaker 1: my big homie. I'm everybody else's big homie. That's the
Speaker 1: truth world piece. That's my big that's my big homie.
Speaker 1: That's what you got together. So he does his own
Speaker 1: He's doing his own basketball league, and I'm helping him
Speaker 1: with it. You know, he's a very very smart brother.
Speaker 1: You know. His basketball league is to help everybody because
Speaker 1: you know, the NBA is the NBA, right, but just
Speaker 1: because you don't make it the NBA, and I don't
Speaker 1: mean if you're not a good basketball player, that don't
Speaker 1: mean that you can't make money for playing basketball leading.
Speaker 1: So he's building the league to bring that concept to
Speaker 1: players who you know, you're the truth, but you might
Speaker 1: not can't get into the league and still be able
Speaker 1: to find runs to play in to get scouts to
Speaker 1: come out and look at you. We also got that
Speaker 1: league too. We just had a smooth champs all of
Speaker 1: the out. Listen, listen, did you see right? And you
Speaker 1: mosted to know he know academics that had no choice,
Speaker 1: but by the way we was. We also interview Tory
Speaker 1: Lanes when he first had the surgery, when he first
Speaker 1: had y'all me when it right? Did he admit that
Speaker 1: I don't want to remember he was. I feel that
Speaker 1: he was like Tories, like bro, that's a gotta understand
Speaker 1: for it, and we're men here talking you know, and
Speaker 1: want it. No great hands. My ball paid on me
Speaker 1: every time he came here. When he lives that hair
Speaker 1: or like your hairline is not right, and when you're
Speaker 1: not as a man, that funks with your ego. It
Speaker 1: does no matter what the type of man you are.
Speaker 1: So the fact that he was able to find what
Speaker 1: helps him be a better man. Once again, if you're
Speaker 1: the man or right you the artist would be great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he like twenty nine, like under the thirties, so like
Speaker 1: it might be fucking ju human like takeing sign out there.
Speaker 1: It's different different differently. It's the holy and this one
Speaker 1: was crazy. Anybody who was doing you got to take
Speaker 1: his hat off, could go sign my story. By the way,
Speaker 1: we didn't. Things are gonna come. We had a whole
Speaker 1: weekend playing Smoke Chace Week and Smoke Chats podcast. So
Speaker 1: Friday we had hamball, handball, real handball? Are you really
Speaker 1: good at hand? This ship a right? Listen, I get
Speaker 1: back to that. Get somebody trying to still my idea.
Speaker 1: On Friday had handball. On Saturday we had basketball. Now
Speaker 1: I was injured on Friday. Somebody injured me because they
Speaker 1: knew what I was going to do on Saturday, and
Speaker 1: I feel like it was him, even though he was
Speaker 1: nowhere around heah yeah, look at that. So this Saturday
Speaker 1: and then like mind you, I'm like, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: not thinking too are we're gonna come through? But I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna come through. I know, you know what
Speaker 1: everything that's going on. He knows the camera's gonna be
Speaker 1: he did to him. I don't know what you mean
Speaker 1: right now, he's the code. You know, the camera's gonna
Speaker 1: be an So I'm not you know that the homeline
Speaker 1: he pulls up, give him a shirt, so I don't
Speaker 1: really realize what's going on. He jumped on the court
Speaker 1: and now everybody like, yo, y'all they clear his hand
Speaker 1: like that. I didn't know what they were talking about,
Speaker 1: and I'm alright, cool. You know, the thought it was
Speaker 1: a different dude. You know, y'all think they're artistic because
Speaker 1: in there they're artistic. Somebody's guys artistic. He's artistic. He's autistic. Autistic.
Speaker 1: Like twenty minutes later, as were there in the shade
Speaker 1: room posted it as weird there and I looked and
Speaker 1: the comments just like, look at it's George Jefferson, and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, they disrespectful. You don't remember Jorge
Speaker 1: it you know what we know. But Tore gets the jokes.
Speaker 1: He has it happened. I mean, he knew and he
Speaker 1: don't give it that. He don't have a person to
Speaker 1: do something like that on purpose, because he is in
Speaker 1: control of his negative. To go back to what you're saying,
Speaker 1: he's in control of his negative. Ever, for the time,
Speaker 1: he wasn't in control your negatives time in the beginning,
Speaker 1: like people wouldn't like you one of your situation. I
Speaker 1: wasn't controlling my negative. I wasn't would if I knew better,
Speaker 1: I would know to like no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no, I'm going to pull up on somebody in
Speaker 1: New York. I actually stopped coming to New York for
Speaker 1: two years because I felt like prior to that, the
Speaker 1: whole New York was working with me hard. I didn't
Speaker 1: Santo Santo the Playhouse. Shout out to my girl, Lola Santos,
Speaker 1: that's the lect acoustic place. It was crazy or whatever
Speaker 1: me cool. We shut that place down. That was definitely Santace.
Speaker 1: So you know, I don't want to make it exact.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't make this up. I don't have to make
Speaker 1: things up. I don't live in that world. Exaggeration, go ahead,
Speaker 1: don't you know? So you know, as far as not
Speaker 1: being in control of my negative if, like I said,
Speaker 1: if I had a big homie or somebody at the
Speaker 1: time to be like, hey, bro, look you're saying what
Speaker 1: you said. You meant what you said, but you didn't
Speaker 1: deliver the right way. Go clean that up, go make
Speaker 1: that right or whatever I said. Man, I just felt
Speaker 1: like New York portrayed me. I just left New York
Speaker 1: alone for two years and I ain't come for two
Speaker 1: years because people who I was cool with and like
Speaker 1: showed when I get yeah no the New York comments,
Speaker 1: so you know he's talking about it. In December, I
Speaker 1: did a show um for a Converse right, and coming
Speaker 1: into the show, I felt the type of way towards
Speaker 1: the business that was going on in my life. And
Speaker 1: so every time I do a song between my intermission,
Speaker 1: I'll just start talking, talking or whatever. Everything I was
Speaker 1: saying what's true from the standpoint of I felt that
Speaker 1: New York needs to support New York. Hard is more money, Yes,
Speaker 1: But I wasn't the person to say that I wouldn't
Speaker 1: the person was supposed to said that, I've never lived
Speaker 1: like you're from New York. Know, that's what people say,
Speaker 1: That's what people said. For me, I'm saying the truth
Speaker 1: because I only know the truth. If I'm on tour
Speaker 1: with all the ASTAT crew and all these people, and
Speaker 1: and everybody's complaining about how New York Radio New York
Speaker 1: DJs treat them, I'm like, damn, these dudes hard as fuck.
Speaker 1: These dudes are dope. We just did a whole tour together.
Speaker 1: I know these brothers are dope. I know that they're amazing.
Speaker 1: I love their show. They're great. Y'all need to get better.
Speaker 1: And the person that you always challenge if you want
Speaker 1: to make a change is to people. It's power to
Speaker 1: the people is the consumer. The consumers who always going
Speaker 1: to make the biggest difference. If the label counts you out.
Speaker 1: If you look at Sure, if you look at if
Speaker 1: you look at Shaggy Shaggy, if you look at the
Speaker 1: story of Shaggy and it wasn't what is the story
Speaker 1: of shaky Man? No, no, no, A great, great story.
Speaker 1: But I can't do that, sty I'm gonna use that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Cheers it's gonna be nice what you're doing. That cocaine
Speaker 1: let me. I went to con and I was let
Speaker 1: and this is gonna happen. This, it's gonna happen. This
Speaker 1: a little bit farewell for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everybody
Speaker 1: shot guys. So you know, it's one of those type
Speaker 1: of things where I learned my lesson. I learned my lesson.
Speaker 1: I can't help. But two, I felt that I and
Speaker 1: I looked at my power, maybe the wrong way, but
Speaker 1: I looked at the power that I had would all
Speaker 1: go everything, but that I need to speak up for them.
Speaker 1: And obviously I didn't think it was gonna be taken away.
Speaker 1: They was taken but when I look back at it,
Speaker 1: it wasn't right. Let me ask you something, Right, it's
Speaker 1: been a time right when I had to flag and
Speaker 1: I gave people the flag, and then I realized when
Speaker 1: they had to flag, they at anyone look at me.
Speaker 1: You ever went through that, meaning like when you had
Speaker 1: the biggest stage and you're life, you gave somebody or
Speaker 1: you shared that stage with somebody. Has it ever been
Speaker 1: a time when that same person had that time in
Speaker 1: their life? Oh? I love that question because they can
Speaker 1: ti U back to what we're talking about with Young Thug.
Speaker 1: That's why I love Young Thug. And if I wasn't
Speaker 1: to make it till tomorrow, Young Thug got to know
Speaker 1: that he's the realist person that I ever dealt with,
Speaker 1: because remember showing him that love. Like I told you
Speaker 1: about Boom when it was a time when I came
Speaker 1: to his show in l A maybe three years ago.
Speaker 1: Somebody that two years ago, I don't know, and um,
Speaker 1: you know I'm there. I'm supporting. I love him. He's crazy.
Speaker 1: He's one of the best artists on the earth to me,
Speaker 1: you know. And you know I'm supporting him as love
Speaker 1: or whatever, like I bought him stuff for his birthday
Speaker 1: or whatever. I love his sisters, I love the family.
Speaker 1: I love his mom. I'm cool with his mama. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying this love like I got the
Speaker 1: utmost respect dude, Gunna, all these people like I've known
Speaker 1: Gunna before Gunna was part of YL. I knew him
Speaker 1: when he was coming up and trying to figure it out,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like coming to fly Kicks,
Speaker 1: which was a dope store in a land off Peter Street. Whatever,
Speaker 1: I've seen these people come up, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So like when they make it to me, that gets
Speaker 1: me fucking excited because that's what I care about. I
Speaker 1: don't care about being the best nigga. I'm an immigrant
Speaker 1: from the Thug showed you love back so boom, he's
Speaker 1: doing the show or whatever, Like I'm there for a
Speaker 1: long time. You know, when you come to somebody to show,
Speaker 1: you might come too early and he don't go on
Speaker 1: to he ready to go on, and you don't be
Speaker 1: in there. You've seen every opening and act, right, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying everybody security things security. He's so boom, you
Speaker 1: know he's performing whatever. I was like, you know what
Speaker 1: I've seen because I've been to numerous Young Thug shows.
Speaker 1: I've seen the show. You know, boom. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: I got things to do. I leave out, I leave
Speaker 1: the show. I wouldn't getting to leave. Somebody run out like,
Speaker 1: hey bro, young thug, I want you to come before
Speaker 1: or whatever, so we gotta run back in. Boom boo
Speaker 1: boo boom. And he brings me out to perform in
Speaker 1: front of his l a crowd, which at the time
Speaker 1: was a big deal. According to what project was, it
Speaker 1: was no No, it was amazing, you know, and it's
Speaker 1: just things like that. To me, that's the really ship
Speaker 1: that ever happened. That's the that's like, that's the real questions.
Speaker 1: But is that is that one of the only people
Speaker 1: that you show love or is there other people that
Speaker 1: showed you love that after a time because they're like
Speaker 1: listen and reggae, don't let me stop. You may not
Speaker 1: even go there, Go ahead, go there, man, but there
Speaker 1: already show love too that when they had that same chance,
Speaker 1: they didn't show a love to be bad. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of people in WRAP that did the same chance.
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't say it wrap, this wrap I
Speaker 1: circled around too many times, but I wouldn't need to
Speaker 1: ask you. Is there anybody that, like you, showed super
Speaker 1: love to it and you was disappointed to when it
Speaker 1: came time for you to receive that reciprocal love that
Speaker 1: your forty acres in your mule for lack of the
Speaker 1: pre term, well, I don't look at it as the
Speaker 1: forty acres in the mule. I look at it as
Speaker 1: as a mutual respect, you know, to be reciprocated. Right
Speaker 1: now on the record, no, t I know, are you
Speaker 1: sure to change. I haven't asked, but you don't know.
Speaker 1: Don't say no for sure? Maybe they would. I love
Speaker 1: that energy. I love the energy. Look like, I don't
Speaker 1: want you to just shut it out because that you
Speaker 1: don't want to be told no, so you'd rather just
Speaker 1: not asked. I don't. I don't like that. I don't
Speaker 1: like the answer now because if I say yes to you,
Speaker 1: it's so one hundred and ten thousand percent, And it's
Speaker 1: not just I'm saying yesterday. I'm nobody yes man that
Speaker 1: if I ask you for something, I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: come up off for your frame or whoever you are.
Speaker 1: I'm literally I love music. I'm an incredible producer of records.
Speaker 1: That's why I do really good in the writing world.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I got a number one
Speaker 1: last year with Queen Nigel writing records. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's like, I love music. I love making
Speaker 1: people be better. Like I said, my background is being
Speaker 1: a stylist. What does the stylish job to make you
Speaker 1: feel better about yourself going out? So that's my background.
Speaker 1: So if I asked you to do something, dog, I'm
Speaker 1: a grown ass man, I'm actually something because it's goned.
Speaker 1: Somebody you asked to do something, they didn't do it.
Speaker 1: So I'm sorry to ask your question. I feel like August,
Speaker 1: I've seen it off top off top. I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: there because I felt that, and I understand why it
Speaker 1: went that way. This before the entanglement. This is before
Speaker 1: the entagle Man, This before the entagle, This before the entacle.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, if we're gonna if
Speaker 1: we're gonna go there, we gotta go there. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I seen him. I feel like I
Speaker 1: was what happened when it was time to come back around.
Speaker 1: I felt that the industry captivated them and it really
Speaker 1: hurt that brother, and that that affected the way that
Speaker 1: they treated somebody who was actually genuine with him because
Speaker 1: he couldn't trust somebody. But you say this is after
Speaker 1: because after all, right, like the pole juice, right, do
Speaker 1: you get dryed? Anybody get dropped from Labory? You got
Speaker 1: the Poople juice. It wasn't the time you had the
Speaker 1: Poople juice, because that's like two thousand juice. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: understand where it's coming from. So let me give you
Speaker 1: the companies. Let me now, let me get you. I tweeted,
Speaker 1: I tweeted to people or whatever that boom boom. People think, definitely,
Speaker 1: I've never dropped me. They never dropped me. That's the
Speaker 1: fact that people love Nike and Jeff jampor Temina. They
Speaker 1: dropped me. I would love a niked death genera temen
Speaker 1: they dropped I would love it. The actual reality of
Speaker 1: the situation is that I requested from and it took
Speaker 1: two years for them to be like, all right, we'll
Speaker 1: let you go. I requested to be let go of
Speaker 1: the label, to be let off the label because nobody
Speaker 1: was there for me. Period. Nobody has never been there
Speaker 1: for me. I had to be there for me, which
Speaker 1: I'm not complaining about because right now, in this very moment,
Speaker 1: I'm there for me. And that's what it's about. Like
Speaker 1: Kanye never helped out, Kanye reached out. Can you reached out?
Speaker 1: I remember Kanye reached out. Can you reached out? Or whatever?
Speaker 1: But I just feel that I do you see thinking
Speaker 1: people you still think about it, like, bro, I respect you.
Speaker 1: You You're Nori to me. I respect you, but if
Speaker 1: the way that you approached me is not respectable, then
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna deal with you. Bro, what you mean?
Speaker 1: So Kanye came, So Kanye, Kanye reached out through his
Speaker 1: man's who is my man's to do something? I want
Speaker 1: my man's right, And the way that he reached out
Speaker 1: for me to do something for him, I felt like
Speaker 1: he didn't care about me. I got tired and I
Speaker 1: already went through this with t I. I went through
Speaker 1: this with je Z where I felt like these o
Speaker 1: g s because to me, I'm from Atlanta, Bro, these
Speaker 1: are o gs. To me, You're not a hot rapper.
Speaker 1: To me, you're O G who's a legend you up
Speaker 1: there with? You know how I look at Andre, how
Speaker 1: I look at Big Boy, how I look at Cel,
Speaker 1: you know how I look at Dungeon family. So it's like, Bro,
Speaker 1: these people always gave me knowledge. Like the first thing
Speaker 1: I asked Andre, he did say no to it, but
Speaker 1: he still gave me knowledge that made me a better artist.
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. And I couldn't get that
Speaker 1: from them. And maybe that's not how their parents but
Speaker 1: even maybe that's not how their parenting skills go or whatever,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But I'm still a young
Speaker 1: brother trying to figure it out. And they knew that.
Speaker 1: They knew that. If you talk huh, we're talking about
Speaker 1: we're talking about all those people. We're talking about the
Speaker 1: the t S, the j Zys, these people. Uh that
Speaker 1: for my past. We're a great place for us in
Speaker 1: New York. We were. We think that they're not. We
Speaker 1: look at y'all like y'all old, get along everybody new artists.
Speaker 1: You've got the biggest bro record of the world, the
Speaker 1: all co tiing you spinking said that. He said it
Speaker 1: earlier where it's the mean where it's like Atlanta artists
Speaker 1: spot I didn't get together. I'm gonna tell you this,
Speaker 1: And if I'm wrong, you know, you don't figure listening
Speaker 1: I Land for or whatever. That's not true, bro. You
Speaker 1: know everybody's true city. That's that bullship. It's not that's
Speaker 1: really bullshit. That's really how ship from New York class.
Speaker 1: How we're doing. Reason why the me was made it
Speaker 1: is because people see don't because you But if you
Speaker 1: really know people like look at the niggas over there,
Speaker 1: it's like father Land the niggas on one song. Yility,
Speaker 1: opportunity and support is two different things. My brother's opportunity
Speaker 1: and supports to that maybe, but I can make you
Speaker 1: my nigga, you gotta come do my if you if
Speaker 1: I can make you w let then you have to
Speaker 1: do my remix my nigga respectfully, respecting respectfully. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, and that and that's got a little shot.
Speaker 1: That's just what I'm saying straight up. But I mean,
Speaker 1: you know where we're at now. You know those are
Speaker 1: all lessons. You know, we're talking about the past. And
Speaker 1: I'm a person to be honest with Snory. I don't
Speaker 1: live in the past. I don't think about the past.
Speaker 1: So my success on the plaques that I got in
Speaker 1: my crib, you know that, I don't even they're not
Speaker 1: even put up on the wall because I don't live
Speaker 1: for that. What can I do? New? You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying where I'm at now, I want you to
Speaker 1: put them blacks up? Why the blacks up? Because you
Speaker 1: gotta know how I feel, you how dope. It feels
Speaker 1: like when I walk around my crib. Excuse me, I
Speaker 1: don't even have them inside my crib. I have them
Speaker 1: on Mike. What's that ship called the four year? You
Speaker 1: know this is a little like but it just makes
Speaker 1: me feel good because I don't know, I just like it.
Speaker 1: I like it. You gotta understand that you have confidence
Speaker 1: some ship. Sometimes you put your accomplishments to the side
Speaker 1: because you're always thinking about the future. But us think
Speaker 1: about what you did to get here. Never not never,
Speaker 1: just lever down, play it. You got to get here
Speaker 1: because you're like, I'm the journey so that you can
Speaker 1: see the future. Yeah. Yeah, the journey is super important
Speaker 1: to me, and and it lives in my mind and
Speaker 1: I know it. But like I said, I really like
Speaker 1: I said right now, with all these people in my
Speaker 1: personal opinion, like we were just all together not too
Speaker 1: long ago, referring to like these two chains, and you know,
Speaker 1: I see cheesy from time to time. Like my respect
Speaker 1: for these people they don't change, but how they treated me.
Speaker 1: I just didn't appreciate it at the time because I
Speaker 1: didn't understand what was going on in the game. And
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, what I'm saying is like,
Speaker 1: when you're a rookie, you're gonna make rookie rookie mistakes.
Speaker 1: You it was was high school freshman, it was the
Speaker 1: freshman in high school. You really yeah, but listen, we're
Speaker 1: gonna salute your careers. So that's wanted to say that. Man,
Speaker 1: I think I think you've understood the energy, or maybe
Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but hopefully I am right. I
Speaker 1: don't think you've mis understood the energy. And I think
Speaker 1: that it was exactly how you interpreted. You went back
Speaker 1: to high school and there were certain people, and you
Speaker 1: know what, he was a freshman at that time, so
Speaker 1: maybe he wasn't as cool as a freshman as he
Speaker 1: was that man. College is now you're a freshman and
Speaker 1: the senior is trying to prove. I think it's start
Speaker 1: and I think that's what it was, because I think
Speaker 1: your city is to ask you great city was one
Speaker 1: of the right first cities I came to, and it
Speaker 1: just it was just black excellence, like black excellences. No,
Speaker 1: it definitely is. Don't get a mistaken. It definitely is.
Speaker 1: And every no matter if you're doing music that you know,
Speaker 1: helps us push forward. What I told you, what's the
Speaker 1: top of my paramn hip hop rap? So whatever it
Speaker 1: takes to get us there, from the playboard card, the
Speaker 1: little yachties who are the mccona's, everybody is important. Even
Speaker 1: if you got one hit that helps us stay number one.
Speaker 1: And that's and That's what matters to me. So you know,
Speaker 1: that's why I got into writing music. Now, I write
Speaker 1: for people. I only I only work for I only
Speaker 1: work with women. Women, you know what I'm saying. Because men,
Speaker 1: you know, we have this weird ego, you know, and
Speaker 1: I don't live with ego. My egos at the door
Speaker 1: right now, at this table. My ego is at the
Speaker 1: door behind me because I don't have to have an
Speaker 1: ego in order to have a good conversation with you.
Speaker 1: That don't prove important to me every person that has
Speaker 1: ever came in contact with me. What you're gonna say
Speaker 1: about me, I'm always me. That might offend you when
Speaker 1: you're away from me, but in my face here I'm
Speaker 1: here to respect you. I just want to respect reciprocating,
Speaker 1: and we know how that works. Has grown as men,
Speaker 1: you know, and so like you know, all in all
Speaker 1: to end out, because I know we're about to close out.
Speaker 1: You know. I appreciate every play that I'm able to make,
Speaker 1: you know, and I appreciate you bring me on drink Champs.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you, appreciate you dream. I appreciate opening and
Speaker 1: showing us the side of you. You know, we truly
Speaker 1: appreciate that because it's like, don't limit yourself. I'm never
Speaker 1: gonna limit myself. I'm gonna always be doing something where
Speaker 1: it's like damn, there he go or whatever, because it's
Speaker 1: bigger than just doing music. I love music, because music
Speaker 1: is one of the most incredible things that you could
Speaker 1: ever get a talent there. Still, it's just a vehicle,
Speaker 1: it's not a house. It's likely supposed to take music
Speaker 1: to exactly you know. And and if it's the last
Speaker 1: thing I got I must say before I get out
Speaker 1: of here is make sure that you support black owned businesses.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about please. You know what I'm saying, like
Speaker 1: shout out was the fool you bro? So you know
Speaker 1: I did Caterine. Now, I brought cater into drink Champs
Speaker 1: because you know, I wanted the staff to going down
Speaker 1: the street from me. So Ray Allen owns this restaurant,
Speaker 1: call with him and his wife. Shout out to Shannon.
Speaker 1: You know it's a black own restaurant. You know, you
Speaker 1: know no South southware yeah area, you know. But just
Speaker 1: in general, support black owned businesses. That if if I
Speaker 1: don't all that stuff we talked about, if stuff that
Speaker 1: people have opinions on the opinion that matters to me
Speaker 1: the most is where I'm at now, you know, because
Speaker 1: I'm on my I'm back on my you know, my
Speaker 1: street ship. I'm back with the people or whatever supporting
Speaker 1: black owned businesses, you know, And I'm saying around the
Speaker 1: corner from my family. You know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: supporting black own businesses is something that I didn't realize
Speaker 1: that was needed from you, our own coach. You see
Speaker 1: it from killing Mike, But I've seen that one aspect,
Speaker 1: and he gave a real perspective. If you wanted to
Speaker 1: go your whole month, which is supporting black owned businesses,
Speaker 1: You're going to be in a crazy place because there's
Speaker 1: a lot of things that we have not got to
Speaker 1: that place that we need to be at yet. And
Speaker 1: just in general, I'm just trying to help the narrative.
Speaker 1: Controlling your narrative is the best thing that any person
Speaker 1: of color can do. Controlling your narrative at whatever, Like
Speaker 1: how y'all said about people controlling their negative, controlling your
Speaker 1: narrative is the most important thing that you can ever
Speaker 1: do for yourself. And so supporting a black owned business
Speaker 1: is the most important thing to me right, I can't
Speaker 1: take you know, yeah, I'm not thinking what do you
Speaker 1: mean he tapped? It's no, I don't tap out, trust me,
Speaker 1: And I'm not talking out tapping more than you know.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking. You gotta take the past. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, But like, support black owned businesses. What's support
Speaker 1: black owned businesses? Black book? Support black owned businesses? Man,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, four black owned businesses, more
Speaker 1: black owned business style? You know what I'm saying, different
Speaker 1: stuff or whatever, like even my bag. You know, tell
Speaker 1: far this person this brother one designer of the year
Speaker 1: last year in fashion, which is not an easy a
Speaker 1: war to win. You know, it's not like nothing France
Speaker 1: or something, you know, and the whole world designer of
Speaker 1: the year. This brother one that it's Telfair. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, can tell Far Telfair T E.
Speaker 1: L F A R. One of the biggest brands. This
Speaker 1: is this is a New York breaking right here. Wow,
Speaker 1: this is the New York Burking. This is the Brooklyn Burking.
Speaker 1: According to who are you? Where You're from? You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, like, this is one of the designer
Speaker 1: it's a black designer break it down for us. So
Speaker 1: you know, just in general, I mean, I can't tell
Speaker 1: this man's whole life. He can tell it better than me.
Speaker 1: But just in general, black designers are really killing everything
Speaker 1: I got it. I feel super proud and everything I
Speaker 1: got on is from a black designers. Travis Scott did this,
Speaker 1: McDonald's collapse, Travis Scott boom. You know, Travis Scott did this.
Speaker 1: I would have This is freak off from Atlanta with
Speaker 1: a little oozy. This is Brownstone. This is a black
Speaker 1: owned brand on the pants, my shoes or whatever are
Speaker 1: from a black owned customizer. These are my socks or whatever.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying to you, I'm a fashion
Speaker 1: guy where black people. I wasn't wearing black people designs
Speaker 1: to be able to do that now on this entirety,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm passionate about. You know, obviously, I'm telling
Speaker 1: you right now, I dropped the hardest album. But Black
Speaker 1: Filter is the hardest album. But for me, my energy
Speaker 1: is I've never put a gun to your head to
Speaker 1: force you to believe in my music. Why would I
Speaker 1: ever do that? If you are cool. Cool niggas don't
Speaker 1: tell people they're cool. They fly rappers don't tell niggers.
Speaker 1: They wrap what they do. They get on the mic
Speaker 1: and they wrap. So at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: you know, however, your opinion is, hey, rock on, because
Speaker 1: you know we're nine years in, we're going on ten
Speaker 1: for two, Like you know what I'm saying, that's gonna
Speaker 1: be a decade in this ship or whatever. And I'm
Speaker 1: still doing my thing. And if you pop into a place,
Speaker 1: niggas know what time it is with me, simple as that,
Speaker 1: no matter what it is, because all I've been doing
Speaker 1: my entire career is show improve Double xcel. Shout out
Speaker 1: to my girlfriend. That's a over that v over there.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, show improve is the
Speaker 1: thing that they do on Double x cell. Show improvement
Speaker 1: is all you can you know, And everybody look at
Speaker 1: look at success differently. And I respect your opinion to
Speaker 1: a certain extent because if that's the knowledge you have,
Speaker 1: then that's the way you're gonna think or whatever. But
Speaker 1: for me, you know, right now, man, you know, I
Speaker 1: want people to support black owned businesses, support black owned designers.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, That's what I care the
Speaker 1: most about. And to understand that, like in order for
Speaker 1: us to stay number one. We're all important. So whether
Speaker 1: you're a mumbo rapper or the best rapper alive, you're
Speaker 1: all equally important. And that's all I care about. What's
Speaker 1: that what you're doing? Um, Like I'm a single out
Speaker 1: right now with ot Genis and for him, you're shooting
Speaker 1: a video for that next month. I got bats go ahead.
Speaker 1: So then uh, I dropped my candle lins last year
Speaker 1: and we dropped like two hundreds. And when I went
Speaker 1: to Kane's France and I think the candle there we
Speaker 1: sold out with the production slowdown school. We come back
Speaker 1: out with that over the year and then um, same
Speaker 1: fashions and fashion stuff, um the music stuff. Because right now,
Speaker 1: like what he said, it's the true pandemic hustle us
Speaker 1: how to still hustle. If you were hustle, you gotta
Speaker 1: get to and you gotta figure it out. So the hustles,
Speaker 1: the men became men, and the boys state boys in
Speaker 1: the pandemic time. And that's all it's about. I went
Speaker 1: from doing eighty parties a month to nothing eighty parties
Speaker 1: about fifteen the week I was outside DJ and club
Speaker 1: to club, state to state. Now I'm finally getting back
Speaker 1: to him in Miami. I go to Atlanta, I go
Speaker 1: to Landom in New York, Texas, so I'm able to
Speaker 1: get back move. It's not the same though, Bro. They
Speaker 1: had me doing the strip club at eight o'clock in
Speaker 1: the afternoon. Bro, this is kid for niggas who don't
Speaker 1: know what's up, because I've seen this man rock not
Speaker 1: even on something like, oh, I don't booked at his club,
Speaker 1: like I just came two clubs and this is what
Speaker 1: a popping DJ look like. So for him to say
Speaker 1: that to you, that's how big fucking deal for niggas
Speaker 1: who don't get that. Oh God, God, straight up, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you how up the game is. Bro. You
Speaker 1: see girls on Instagram with Birkins and all this ship, right,
Speaker 1: bartenders became strippist. I'm gonna just leave that. Don't there
Speaker 1: like that. But let's take it to the shop. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. Dogs, that's how bad TikTok TikTok.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's what And we're just trying to you know,
Speaker 1: if you if you got the money, advice to anybody
Speaker 1: in the business. DJ's artists invest now because everything is
Speaker 1: lower now, So when they get back. Wooman, You're gonna
Speaker 1: be on top. That's all it is. You gotta stay prolonged.
Speaker 1: You can't live in the meantime and try to follow
Speaker 1: what everybody else doing. You gotta do your own things.
Speaker 1: Stay ahead of the game. Damn. Let's make your North
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