WEBVTT - Episode 262 w/ Trinidad James 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.480 Welcome to Drink Champs, the production of the Black Effect 0:00:02.520 --> 0:00:19.040 and I Heart Radio and it's drinks That's podcast. He's 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:21.960 a legendary queen's rapper. He's like, that's your boy in 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:25.640 no R. He's a Miami hippoper pioneer up his dj 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:28.400 e FN. Together they drinking up with some of the 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:33.720 biggest players in the most professional, unprofessional podcast. And yet 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:38.040 number one sort for drunk drink is New year Z. 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:48.519 That's time for drink Champs. Trink up the would it 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:51.400 could be hopefully's whip boy in O R? What up 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:53.400 is d j e F And this is drink Champs. 0:00:54.360 --> 0:01:00.560 Makes up that this guy that this guy that we 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:04.040 have here today, he might be hip hop's most unique character. 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:08.200 He might be a person that hustled for the hustle. 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:12.240 This guy, he is the only person I've ever known 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:16.679 to drop a remix. He ain't even on the right mix. 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:21.280 It was crazy to me. It's it's still crazy to 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:24.760 me when I go and research it. Uh, he's a hustler. 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:28.000 You know. People try to label him a one hit wonder. 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:31.880 He continued from two thousand and twelve, I believe still 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:36.680 dropping music in one got shows with complex got shows 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:38.640 with other people, and he's stay in his name out 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:40.160 here in case you don't know where any of the 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:44.880 weirdest nails ever one drinks ever if you don't know her, 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:55.160 So what's going on? My god? Listen, I gotta ask 0:01:55.200 --> 0:02:02.840 straight up? Uh all go there? Yes, sir oh, I 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:05.120 would like to call it. Asked them. That's not a 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:09.760 hit anthem, it's anthem. I don't care where when that 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:11.760 came out. I don't care where I was. Whether it 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:15.639 was Dugel dof Germany, well it was Dubai, whether it 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:18.480 was anywhere. It was a hit hit hit hit hit. 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:22.240 And I believe when I googled you our search too, 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:23.880 it was like that was like your third record you 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:26.079 ever made. It wasn't my third, but it wasn't my 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:28.679 first twelve. It was in your first twelve. Okay, So 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:31.360 let let's let's just describe that moment for people who 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:34.400 don't know, like you're you're a new artist, if you're 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:36.280 taking the game serious or you're not taking this serious. 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:39.200 You independent before? So I was super independent, you know 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:42.959 for me. You know, music is a decision, you know, 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:45.960 that's what it was for me. For a lot of people, 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:47.720 I feel like you know, a lot of people tell, 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:49.880 you know, I grew up to do this. Man, I've 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:53.560 been rapping. No, you know, I've been trying to figure 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:55.160 it out my whole life. You know, I was born 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:57.160 in Trinion that to bego, came over here as an immigrant, 0:02:57.520 --> 0:03:00.239 no green card. You know what I'm saying. My mother 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:02.040 had to figure it out, you know, saying, my father 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:05.760 had to figure it out, and so having to do 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:08.600 whatever we needed to do to take care of each other. 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:12.960 It's something that we've always done. So you know, my father, 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:16.000 when my father and mother split, you know, my mother 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:18.679 wasn't going to move back to Trinidad because it just 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:21.320 didn't make sense to go backwards. Even though let's describe 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:23.239 the people, because even though pop would never been to 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:26.560 trind that that is a beautiful place. Oh yeah, I'm 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:29.800 talking about the third world country. It's got its issues too, 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:31.720 you know, definitely. You know, I got a family in 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:34.760 Live and tail More. You know what I'm saying, Like 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:38.480 these are all projects in Trinidad, and if you go there, 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:41.960 you'll be like wow, you know, like it's you know, 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:43.360 it's not what you used to when it comes to 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:47.200 like natural projects, you know, but just in general you 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:49.600 know that mentality of like, well, we can't go back 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:51.920 to Trinidad right now. You know, it kind of put 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:53.680 in my mind where I got to figure it out 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:56.440 so we're not worked ever. Moved from Trinidad straight to Atlanta. 0:03:56.520 --> 0:03:59.880 So my father moved to America first to figure it out. 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:04.600 Amica came. I think he came to Florida first. He 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:08.840 came to Florida first. Yeah, Florida feel like, you know, 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:10.920 as a certain type of thing. But you know, he 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:14.120 came to Florida first, man and then um he you know, 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:17.000 he was figuring it out, doing this thing. Then, um, 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:20.080 you know, me and my mother we lived in Canada 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:21.720 first because she had to take care of her sister 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:24.640 because she wasn't she wasn't well. Your passport to Standford 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:28.360 the beginning Canada. And then we left Canada, came back 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:30.760 to Trinidad, and then we left Trinidad and came to Florida. 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:32.840 Then we left Florida, went to New York and lived 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:35.320 in New York and left left New York and went 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:39.080 to Atlanta. Left Atlanta, North South Carolina last South Carolina. 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:41.800 Came back to Atlanta, you know, So I mean this 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:45.840 is just for me as a teenager, that's not it 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:48.040 was super important. From going from an all black school 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:51.240 in Atlanta to all white school in South Carolina. You 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:53.520 know that that gave me the best perspective I ever 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:57.240 had on life moving forward. While I'm successful continuously in 0:04:57.320 --> 0:05:01.360 the game, it's because I understand people that you know 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:03.320 that I could. I can see people because I had 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:05.240 to deal with people growing up. I didn't just have 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:07.560 to deal with my own culture. I had to understand 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:09.800 why white people think the way that they think. And 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:12.839 you know what is also my perspective as a black 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:16.159 man compared to a Black Americans perspective, it's not the same. 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:18.920 Caribbeans don't think exactly like how Black Americans stay and 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:21.440 discriminate against each other. It's different. It's different, Like we 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:23.880 don't get taught racism and those type of things and 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:26.119 trendon that like that when I was coming up, because 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:28.280 black people all the predominant buns. Yeah you know what 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:30.000 I say, You got Indian and black, so that's brown 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:33.880 and black. Like the e F said on the islands 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:35.920 that I see a lot, it would be like color racism. 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:39.200 They just know they're just coming against Black Americans. Oh yeah, 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:41.200 they have an issue, you know what I'm saying, Like 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:43.160 you know people on the islands and call people a 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:47.640 black American gangs. It's really just carrying the same clunism. 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:52.200 Like the whole perspective. What was the country that colonized 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:55.520 trend that just from background history. Um, you know, I 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:56.800 don't want to say that. I don't want to say 0:05:56.800 --> 0:05:59.360 the wrong thing. Was it? Was it any it would 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:02.680 be friends? I thought it would be friends. I think 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:04.600 I think it was friends or whatever. I don't want 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:07.440 to be wrong, but I think it's Franks. But yeah, man, 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:09.200 you know, all in all, I say, I give you 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:10.920 a little bit of that back story just to let 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:13.520 you know where it's like. And none of this time 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:16.040 moving around all these places music with something that's on 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:18.560 my mind. It was more of like survival. And you 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:20.360 worked at the sneaker store too, right right, so it 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:22.080 was a closer. It was a mental teak in Atlanta 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:24.360 called gets on top of the underground, you know, And 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:28.600 that is how I really got to the undergrounds of 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:31.440 malls in downtown right now, downtown Atlanta, right in the 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:34.239 heart up and downtown Atlanta. So you know five Points 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:37.520 train station, you got CNN Center where the things were 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:39.840 now with the Riot all that is right there the 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:42.600 Olympic Park when they did the Olympics ninety six. All 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:44.440 this is very close to where I worked. So that 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:46.920 central location, you deal with a lot of people. You 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:49.479 deal with all the colleges, you know, so you gotta 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:52.920 you know Clark, Atlanta, spell at Morehouse. And then you 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:54.560 deal with all the people that work in the companies, 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:56.760 like I said, CNN, the Coca Cola Center, all these 0:06:56.760 --> 0:06:58.760 type of places. And then you got all the street 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:01.320 dudes who hustling. I would ever from Broad Street all 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:04.040 the way over to Peter Street, all these different places 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:07.839 to all these people became my people because I've always 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:10.720 been a person that's been styling somebody for a long time. 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:14.280 That was my job before I got into music, styling 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:16.880 and fashion. I mean I've been I was a cook 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:20.320 before I did long care. I didn't move. I managed. 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:26.640 So it wasn't I'm bouncing around because that's how we 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:28.840 do on drinks. It's fine, But wasn't ever a problem 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:34.440 because of what was the character from Martin? So was 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:37.200 there every like any like copyright characters or what's it 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:38.960 even going for that? Look when when you when you 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:41.600 when you started that, No said, you know, obviously I'm 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:43.320 aware of who that is because I'm a big fan 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:47.200 of Martin just like any person, you know, but definitely 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:50.560 wasn't thinking about that. You know, you got to understand 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:53.840 that the person, that character that people see and all 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:57.000 go everything, that's just who I am, you know, and 0:07:57.320 --> 0:07:59.920 it's really hard for people to understand things that they're 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:03.040 you know what I'm saying. It's like the intro that 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:05.600 you gave me or whatever is one of the most 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:08.680 unique people that you have ever met. That's something that's 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:10.760 I've been true to that my entire life. I have 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:13.600 not changed the man that I am ever for anybody 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:16.280 or anything. That's why I have such a hard journey. 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:18.080 But I enjoyed my journey because I'm the only one 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:20.120 to understand it. But I'm the only one. I gotta 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:22.280 live it too, so I'm not really bothered by it. 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:24.320 But it's an interesting one. Like when I have the 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:26.240 outer body kind of just like I'm sitting there, might 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:28.240 be drinking the smoke and I might go back and 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:30.720 look at all or everything just for to do my homework. 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:31.920 Now I had to do. I had to do my 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:34.000 homework to day and now I look and it was 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:35.960 like there was two different characters there was. I didn't 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:38.520 see that your wrong home, right, but I saw your 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:41.520 version of it. And then I also saw was commute 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:43.520 people that I saw even though it was just you. 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:49.120 I saw a dude that was just like me, proud 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:52.480 to be from this other island, but still American because 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:55.800 you know, I'm reporto Rican and so I saw that guy. 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:58.040 I saw that, like you really had to Trendidad flag 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:00.520 and every never, almost every scene did. I saw the 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:02.960 hood version of who you was in Atlanta, like when 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:05.280 you were walking around with certain people, and I was like, wow, 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:08.319 this is this is interested because you're involved. You you 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:11.920 you embodied all of these characters. Like no character to 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:15.120 me was fake. You know what. That always made so hard. 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:17.000 But the thing is, I do I didentify with the 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:18.480 people when they say you wont me wrong? So that's 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:20.920 why I want to ask that question, like no Fox 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:23.120 or like you know, like these big studios that have 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:24.679 a call you and say yo, don't don't do that 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:27.760 character no more. I never and we never had any 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:30.520 issue from anybody that was literally I mean, the power 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:32.880 of the media is just very powerful. They're making seem 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:35.120 like it's an issue. But I've never had an issue 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:39.960 with Martin. Met Martin, like I met a lot of people, 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:41.679 you know what I'm saying. But now I have never 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:46.800 had a real issue with anybody misunderstandings from the media's perspective. 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:50.880 That's probably my biggest curse. Whatever, be just because I 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:54.440 stay to myself. I stay focused on the work because 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:56.599 the work is was gonna keep me going. There was 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:58.199 the issue I think you had in New York. You 0:09:58.320 --> 0:09:59.800 came to New York and you said something that the 0:09:59.840 --> 0:10:03.120 New Yorkers wasn't doing for New Yorker, something like that. So, um, 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:07.920 I had a show for No it wasn't. That was incredible. 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:11.599 I had a show for a Converse and somewhere I 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:16.680 forgot what studios it was. And into going through the show, 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:18.679 you know, I was going through some personal things just 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:21.640 on the business side, because this is this is still 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:24.679 early in my career, this is you know, but this 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:27.199 is after. You know, I didn't did three tours me 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:30.120 and Wis that went overseas. I didn't need the under 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:34.120 the influence tours amazing. You know, I didn't hung around everybody, 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:35.880 But you know what I'm saying, we did our thing, 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:37.880 and you know, you get to hear and learn a 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:41.440 lot of things, and you know, um, at the end 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:44.199 of the day, every artist, when you're you know, on 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:47.040 your eyes, you go through a lot of pressures because 0:10:47.400 --> 0:10:51.720 for us, unfortunately, we don't have enough people around us 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:56.160 to be the role model. I've never had a role model. 0:10:56.559 --> 0:10:58.480 I've never had a big home till you figuring out. 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:01.559 I've always have figured every single thing out myself. So 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:04.079 you know, I'm never gonna make an excuse about it. 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:07.400 The things that I said at that time, the things 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:10.440 that I said at that time were you know, very 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:13.480 true based on what I was hearing because I was 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:16.360 coming to New York City, you know, and I grew 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:19.640 up a huge fan basically seeing Low York City played 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:22.080 more up Atlanta to New York City. I've seen him 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:25.199 play more of everybody else than the artists who I 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:28.120 liked that tid. You know, it's like my story has 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:30.120 never changed. Like you know, at the time, you know, 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:32.679 Davis was on his rise, but he was super dup 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:34.480 to me. But you know what I'm saying, Joey bad As, 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:36.319 all these people were super dump to me, but I 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:39.800 never heard them on New York radio, and obviously I'm 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:43.800 hearing my song, but I'm hearing the me goes I'm 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:46.440 here and this that I'm just hearing out the thing, right, 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:49.680 So it was just like and then I'm also hearing 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:55.600 artists complain about New York Radio or whatever. So I'm 0:11:55.640 --> 0:11:58.160 looking at it as like, look, man, I've always been 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:00.319 a person to tell the truth for some abody or 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:02.080 stand up for a stand up if you're getting bullied, 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:03.599 I'm a stand up for you, bro. You know what 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:05.439 I'm saying. If you feel like you're getting injustice done 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:06.719 to you, I'm gonna standing up you. Feel like he 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:08.800 was representing for the artist for me, while a couple 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:10.480 of artists took back of that, a couple of artists, 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:12.719 it's because of the way and that comes back to 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:15.319 my fault, because of my energy that I put behind it, 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:18.079 my personal problems that I was dealing with on my 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:22.120 on myself as a businessman or whatever that had me 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:26.040 frustrated with myself, and that also that side of me 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:29.480 came out on stage when I'm saying that if I 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:33.079 could do anything different about the situation, I would have 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:35.000 just loved to have the energy that I know that 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:39.079 I truly have when it comes to that. You know, 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:43.439 what I said was very true. There was no lies 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:46.600 told there, but the way that I delivered it could 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:49.800 have been way better. And I knew exactly at the time. 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:52.880 I didn't understand my energy because I had never been 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:55.640 in this business. You know what, I'm finding out everything 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:58.559 fast in the midst of it, and so you know, 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:01.040 the media ran with it the way they wanted to. 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:03.400 You know, certain artists ran with it the way they 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:06.160 wanted to, and for me, I was a little confused. 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:07.640 I believe it. Just meet you a may note. You 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:10.120 had the discrepancy, you worked it out. Yeah, we definitely. 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:12.079 I ran in tell me in person whatever you know 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:13.599 I said. A lot of things were said online, but 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:15.599 online is just not where I was. I that's not 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:19.199 my thing, you know, because I never I never practiced that, 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:22.959 I never experienced. Yeah, you explain what you meant. I'm 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:25.520 sure that they'd even agree. Yeah, the thing about it, 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:28.680 they appreciated when I heard him explain that. Everybody's story 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:32.880 after the fact as the years continued, that what I said, 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:35.480 like once again, it is my delivery that was wrong 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:38.000 because but everybody realized that it was almost like yo, 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:39.679 I could be for my family, but somebody else be 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:42.040 from my family. It almost seems like that sometimes like that, 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:44.120 you can't you can't be to do to tell me 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:47.920 about this is to come outside you Hey, right, you say, 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:52.679 little girl go upstairs. But did somebody another project to 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:56.160 my sister like that? Yea? And all that is fair? 0:13:57.080 --> 0:13:58.959 That is fair, And I understood that. You know what 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:01.400 I'm saying. And it's probably been the hardest lesson I 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:03.800 probably learned in what nine years. I mean because this 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:06.760 year I'm gonna tell you, Mike, well, I'm a fan, 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:08.960 by the way, but I'm gonna tell you your illness 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:11.760 move you made, but it probably might even been your 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:14.559 biggest mistake. I will take a salute to your motherfucker's 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:17.840 your career, your motherfucking every chance. I'm not only want 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:24.240 a big shot because because you're the big man, that's 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:27.640 your show. I'm gonna tell you like this, Yes, sir, 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:34.600 I think doing the remix without you're going it okay 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:38.160 was the bold and ship for for a new artist. 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:40.720 And I'm gonna tell you why. I think it was 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:44.760 like your biggest mistake because it was that time for 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:48.160 you as an artist sin to shine and to like 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:51.720 or go I believe, I believe I know who you are. 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:54.920 I believe you a guy with a good heart, and 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:57.560 you felt like he was probably there and be worried, 0:14:57.720 --> 0:15:01.840 you know. But it was that movement where you're supposed 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:05.440 to wrap with t I wrap with two change and 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:10.440 wrap with jeez and literally try to take their fucking 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:13.920 head off as a hartist, that's what the world wanted. 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:17.120 I told my people like me who was real fans 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:19.320 and this ship and I'm a fan of when a 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:23.440 guy gets his opportunity and to but what you did 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:25.640 was honorable. It was like the city was coming up 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:29.800 and you gave you sacrifice to your own record. But 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:32.000 you you hear what I'm coming from. No, I hear. 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:34.520 I just wanted to make sure that you finish your stuf. Okay, yeah, 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:36.640 because to me, I just felt like that's what I 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:39.120 wanted from you. Like I remember we winding the record 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:41.400 and saying, did this guy really and don't you say 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:43.200 in the beginning of the record, You're like, I don't 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:49.280 even need the first and I was like that before 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:52.680 you answer, was that strategy or arrogance? There was never arrogance. 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:54.280 I don't have to move with the arrogance. That's really 0:15:54.280 --> 0:16:00.120 not my energy. I feel that I'm gonna be the 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:02.040 I promised. I've been the same person. But for the 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:04.960 last twenty years I can't answer for you at all. 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:06.720 But I could just feel your energy now that you're 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:11.440 not someone looked like that, but I wanted you to be. Yeah, 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:16.280 that's what I said. And the first thing I say 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:20.360 is I wish it was my big homie. I'm saying, like, no, 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:22.760 I had nobody to tell me, and I ran my 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:25.680 home show. I done everything myself, you know, and everybody 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:28.160 just facility. I still want you to asker this question. 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:30.240 So there was nobody at depth jam and I said, Yo, 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:33.080 you know what, this is your time. No, like no, no, 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:36.440 I promise you. I never had a big homie. That 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:39.160 the only person that's ever said something to me that. 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:41.920 I was like, I appreciate that it was to change 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:44.440 I would have And he checked me when he sent 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:47.440 me his verse for the All of Everything remix or whatever. 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:48.880 And when he said it to me, I was like, oh, 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:51.040 thank you, bro. But obviously I'm doing a million things 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:53.080 and trying to figure out life. And I didn't get 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:54.840 right back to him to like, listen, to the verse, 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:57.680 and he called me and pressed me. I was like, like, yo, 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:00.600 where somebody send you a verse my snatching? You listen 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:11.160 to it right now? You know I was anytime somebody 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:14.320 on the right staff, just you listen to it. Even 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:16.320 I gotta listen to the phone in my air this 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:18.560 versus hard and we go there, They're not gonna listen 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:20.680 to it in the right place, because once again, it's 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:23.879 not disrespect. But you know, to give you something that 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:27.840 I've never even said to anybody before. To be honest 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:31.879 with you, I didn't want to do a remix. I 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:33.880 did not want to do it. I did not want 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:37.760 to do a remix. Everybody else around me wanted to 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:42.639 do a remix because they wanted to make money, you know. 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:48.280 For me, I love Titty Boy before I turned the 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:52.480 two chains up on that. You know what I'm saying. 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:57.240 I love you know t I You know what I'm saying. 0:17:57.320 --> 0:17:59.800 Twenty fours is on my like if I'm on I 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:01.760 stuck for the rest of my life and I need 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:03.639 to have ten songs. Twenty four is probably one of 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:05.600 those songs. You know what I'm saying. I grew up 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:08.920 on the jeezy that everybody loves you know what I'm saying, 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:11.080 So to my respect level is on the mountain. But 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:15.720 this is my journey. This is not their journey, and 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:19.120 they made it their journey, you know what I'm saying. 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:23.720 They want they put themselves on it or whatever, not 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:26.600 to change, but like the I think, like Tian Jesus, 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:29.480 they put themselves on to be on it, you know 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:32.000 what I'm saying. Whatever. I didn't even get a chance 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:35.440 to ask them or whatever. So for me, you know, 0:18:35.960 --> 0:18:39.560 it didn't feel like the way that I wanted this 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:41.800 to go. And that was a hard lesson in the 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:44.719 business where it's like these people are not your friends, bro, 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:48.760 you know what I'm saying, like me and not in 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:52.320 a way better place now, But for the first beginning 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:55.000 of my career, I really wanted to stay away from 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:58.720 him because it didn't feel that he had any respect 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:02.399 for me. I don't unerstand because so so um all right, 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:03.679 so let me try to get this, Let me try 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:05.760 to understand this a little bit, because you have the 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:10.800 biggest record in the world at this time. Yeah, but 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:12.800 I should mentioned but that's hip hop, you know, you 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:15.520 know that, And it was more it was other he 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:18.440 I think that people who was doing business for me 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:20.280 at the time, because I wasn't just doing all my 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:22.920 own business myself. I was just doing the creative part 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:25.400 in the music and you know, trying to make connections. 0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:28.280 But I was with an independent label, you know what 0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:30.200 I'm saying. You know, they do Lucci, they do you 0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:33.840 know people b K blah blah blah. You know, at 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:36.960 the time I'm doing business, they're doing the business for me, 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:40.520 and they know different people. And obviously everybody would want 0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:43.680 to this a great look to do a song with 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:47.560 these legendary people. But once again, as you can see, 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:52.320 I don't do things traditional. That's never been me. So 0:19:52.560 --> 0:19:55.440 to kind of like force me into this traditional wave, 0:19:56.720 --> 0:19:59.040 it was offensive to me, but I dealt with it, 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:01.200 you know what I'm saying, And like you know, I'll 0:20:01.200 --> 0:20:02.920 give you another piece information, I have to tell you 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:05.480 this or whatever. Like that really really ruled me the 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:07.960 like a crazy way about just the industry and just 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:11.800 in general. Like you know, I got charged forty wardrobe 0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:15.800 for their wardrobe referring to Jeez tip and to change 0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:18.760 and if you go back to look at the dog 0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:20.880 or everything remix, look and see what t I wore, 0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:23.160 Look and see what jess wore, Jessy having a Dickie 0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:26.560 suit and t I had on hustle game, his old 0:20:26.640 --> 0:20:30.840 bird finance me on my old forty bands. You know 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:33.920 what I'm saying, I'm my label, but I did just 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:37.840 you know what I'm saying, I pay forty I had 0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:42.000 to pay forty. Dog, I'm a stilish dog. Before you 0:20:43.000 --> 0:20:46.879 do that burn my soul. That burned my soul, like 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:49.840 I had to perform that. But you didn't pay. You 0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:56.280 didn't pay for the verses. Okay, but because a bigger 0:20:56.359 --> 0:20:59.159 look for them to do it. If you look at 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:02.040 the time, this is nothing. I say, it's never this, 0:21:03.480 --> 0:21:06.000 it's never as we're just a fat person, as a 0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:09.080 as a as a fan, and I see what everything 0:21:09.119 --> 0:21:10.960 you're saying, like, I actually can see. I can see 0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:13.760 where you where, I can see when people thought it 0:21:13.840 --> 0:21:15.320 as arrogance, and I can see what you thought it 0:21:15.359 --> 0:21:18.200 was like genius and it was genius. And but I 0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:20.680 can see like I just would really wish you would 0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:23.000 just showed your ass and just saying if you do, 0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:25.040 I say, if you was my big home, I would 0:21:25.040 --> 0:21:28.040 have been like so nor say I'm surprised to change 0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:30.359 it and say that I'm surprised, geez, I'm surprised even 0:21:30.400 --> 0:21:33.920 t it was. It was just it was different because 0:21:33.920 --> 0:21:36.359 I didn't know them, like I've only met t I 0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:39.160 one time, and that first occasion wasn't the right occasion. 0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:41.840 That wasn't it was that wasn't have been before prior 0:21:41.880 --> 0:21:44.920 at the studio session. It just our energy from the beginning. 0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:48.800 It wasn't good. And it was based off of how 0:21:48.920 --> 0:21:53.119 he approached me or whatever, because if I'm interested, how 0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:56.239 did he get to me? Because I'm a I'm an 0:21:56.240 --> 0:21:59.320 observer of people. I'm a people person. If anybody can 0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:02.399 tell you born that you know exactly or whatever. So 0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:07.399 I realized I was like, oh, he's coming to have 0:22:07.800 --> 0:22:13.680 a dick swinging contests. Wait a minute, what he's coming. 0:22:14.200 --> 0:22:17.160 He's coming to the studio to to you know, I'm 0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:19.280 you know, working on my music, working on my craft. 0:22:19.400 --> 0:22:21.119 You don't mean the actually you mean like you know, 0:22:21.160 --> 0:22:25.240 I mean like like music so good to me. You 0:22:25.280 --> 0:22:32.000 know you got not mentally, so you know, I peeped that, 0:22:32.480 --> 0:22:35.760 you know what I'm saying, And I was like, damn, man, 0:22:35.920 --> 0:22:37.639 I would think that you know, he would come to 0:22:37.800 --> 0:22:40.240 like give me some game or something. You know what 0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:42.440 I'm saying, this is our first time me and I 0:22:42.600 --> 0:22:45.360 was already got all gold out. Yeah, like brown lit 0:22:45.880 --> 0:22:47.720 at this point in time. Right now, I'm lit in 0:22:47.920 --> 0:22:49.800 the city of Atlanta. I can't speak for me y 0:22:50.359 --> 0:22:54.320 in Atlanta number one. I'm not t I spoke, man, 0:22:54.920 --> 0:22:57.760 But I gotta tell you, man, when you had a 0:22:57.880 --> 0:23:01.920 number one record in the the fucking world, you wore 0:23:01.920 --> 0:23:07.720 a threat. You certain and I'm just telling you you 0:23:07.760 --> 0:23:10.800 ain't suposer. That's why this goes back to the sports world. 0:23:11.160 --> 0:23:13.040 And then like hip hop is a blood school for 0:23:13.160 --> 0:23:15.720 the interview athletes because they'd be like, yo, what someone 0:23:15.800 --> 0:23:17.480 to do with the rookie suons he come to the league, 0:23:17.640 --> 0:23:20.400 they wouldn't let him know immediately. So something that's who 0:23:20.440 --> 0:23:26.440 he was that and that was saying that I would 0:23:26.440 --> 0:23:29.760 ever order when it started with Tipping twelve, like December, 0:23:30.240 --> 0:23:32.240 you know what I'm saying, something like that's how that started. 0:23:32.240 --> 0:23:34.720 I whenever somewhere around that earlier that went into the 0:23:34.800 --> 0:23:38.719 league me, I was this is not I gotta deal 0:23:38.760 --> 0:23:42.879 with you know what I'm saying Like this and I 0:23:42.960 --> 0:23:44.320 feel like high school because I went to a lot 0:23:44.359 --> 0:23:46.000 of different high schools. I went to a different high 0:23:46.000 --> 0:23:48.080 school every year, so I knew, I knew what that. 0:23:48.240 --> 0:23:51.200 I was like, alright, you know what I'm saying, so 0:23:51.560 --> 0:23:56.240 said little shot side listen and I'm not outside, and 0:23:56.560 --> 0:23:58.840 now it's not even the boutside because once again, I 0:23:58.920 --> 0:24:01.399 do appreciate a shot. Right, we gotta take it, you 0:24:01.480 --> 0:24:05.920 gotta take it. No, because I'm just telling you. I 0:24:06.000 --> 0:24:09.160 could see, not to say like, because I don't really 0:24:09.200 --> 0:24:12.200 know the energy displayed, but I can see, like certain 0:24:12.240 --> 0:24:15.760 people being threatened because your first record, like the record 0:24:15.840 --> 0:24:17.920 is a monster. It's a monster, like it's it's not 0:24:18.119 --> 0:24:22.000 like there's people who have hits, these people who have 0:24:22.160 --> 0:24:26.200 gold platinum records that don't have that one single Fox 0:24:26.680 --> 0:24:31.720 that's like that. So I can see somebody being threatened, like, man, 0:24:32.280 --> 0:24:34.399 tell me, did your immagies but tell me yeah, and 0:24:34.440 --> 0:24:36.120 tell me if I'm wrong. It felt like it marked 0:24:36.160 --> 0:24:42.040 a new era. You could feel like you did. Viral 0:24:42.160 --> 0:24:46.480 did not exist in hip hop. It did not think 0:24:46.520 --> 0:24:51.119 it's never I just think it going viral. Niggers had 0:24:51.240 --> 0:24:55.760 never ever said that I'm a fan, I'm a fan 0:24:56.000 --> 0:24:59.119 of hip hop or a fan of music. Listening to 0:24:59.560 --> 0:25:03.800 every body ship but respectfully, we've never said that term 0:25:04.400 --> 0:25:06.679 of like n I think its just went viral today. 0:25:07.280 --> 0:25:10.560 That just wasn't in the capital until all where everything 0:25:10.680 --> 0:25:13.960 came out. That every label from there on out and 0:25:14.080 --> 0:25:15.960 still right now was trying to find artists to make 0:25:16.000 --> 0:25:18.480 them go viral. That's what they did. And what Jim 0:25:18.520 --> 0:25:21.760 did with you was moneymental. But but here's the crazy ship. 0:25:23.440 --> 0:25:25.960 You threw that video out on your own without that. Yeah, 0:25:26.040 --> 0:25:27.679 that's what I'm saying. We did that. We got ourselves 0:25:27.680 --> 0:25:32.399 to deal. Everybody was looking at that deal started let that, 0:25:32.520 --> 0:25:36.680 let's get that. But but but that's just money that's 0:25:36.720 --> 0:25:39.920 out there right now, that's looking for the You explain 0:25:40.560 --> 0:25:42.600 what was your vision like, because you know there's somebody 0:25:42.680 --> 0:25:45.560 somewhere don't know nothing and they had they have the 0:25:45.600 --> 0:25:47.520 same questions that you had. Well, I had all that 0:25:47.600 --> 0:25:51.280 you had coming up. But let him know your your process, 0:25:51.320 --> 0:25:53.240 your success, how you did it well. For me, I 0:25:53.359 --> 0:25:56.160 had to learn everything on the come, and I wanted 0:25:56.200 --> 0:25:59.280 to make sure that I played to my strong points. 0:25:59.720 --> 0:26:04.640 So vision and image was my strong points. I knew 0:26:04.680 --> 0:26:06.480 I had work to do on the on the music 0:26:06.560 --> 0:26:09.359 side of things, but the music had already proved that 0:26:09.440 --> 0:26:11.720 it could sell. Obviously, I never put a gun to 0:26:11.760 --> 0:26:13.239 anybody here. He said, you need to listen to All 0:26:13.240 --> 0:26:16.000 Go Everything. Nobody around me ever did that. We literally 0:26:16.040 --> 0:26:18.000 just passed out of CD. Check out my new stuff 0:26:18.240 --> 0:26:20.240 because you rock with me my energy. That's how the 0:26:20.280 --> 0:26:22.960 first CD started moving around, because that's my boy. That 0:26:23.160 --> 0:26:26.680 he didn't dress to me for a hundred summers, that's 0:26:26.760 --> 0:26:29.320 my boy. Of course I listened to it one time. 0:26:29.520 --> 0:26:33.080 People he told he was a stallus, you know what 0:26:33.119 --> 0:26:37.160 I'm saying. So like that right there, gravitated that would 0:26:37.240 --> 0:26:40.040 make the first CDs move around or whatever. So that 0:26:40.680 --> 0:26:42.480 got the CD go and got the music, and people 0:26:42.520 --> 0:26:45.479 gravitated to to the number six, which is All Go Everything. 0:26:45.760 --> 0:26:48.040 They just gravitated to it. I never told anybody you 0:26:48.080 --> 0:26:50.119 should listen to number six because number six wasn't the 0:26:50.119 --> 0:26:53.000 strongest song to me in my head. That's the last 0:26:53.080 --> 0:26:56.280 song I recorded for it, and that was the one 0:26:56.320 --> 0:26:58.080 I wanted to do for the people in the streets. 0:26:58.160 --> 0:27:00.280 I feel like I had everybody else who I because 0:27:00.280 --> 0:27:01.960 once again I told you, I'm dealing with college students. 0:27:02.119 --> 0:27:04.200 I'm dealing with people who work in big You made 0:27:04.280 --> 0:27:07.880 this record, you already visualized in the video. I didn't 0:27:07.960 --> 0:27:11.119 visualize the visual. I didn't visualize the video until it 0:27:11.240 --> 0:27:14.600 was actually time to do the video. And that what's 0:27:14.640 --> 0:27:16.920 that video at College Park? It's now that videos on 0:27:16.960 --> 0:27:19.480 the South Side. He just said he didn't even think 0:27:19.520 --> 0:27:22.040 that was the record. You know what I'm saying, because 0:27:22.080 --> 0:27:26.000 once again, I'm brand new and and there's no role models, 0:27:26.280 --> 0:27:29.240 nobody around me, no music well enough to be like 0:27:29.359 --> 0:27:32.119 what you said, like you got to tear these old 0:27:32.200 --> 0:27:36.440 nigger's heads on this remix. You know, nobody's saying that 0:27:36.520 --> 0:27:38.520 to me. If somebody said, if a person like you, 0:27:38.640 --> 0:27:41.880 not even you, had sent that to me, Young Droe 0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:45.720 could have said it to me. You know what I'm saying, 0:27:46.560 --> 0:27:49.639 But nobody ever said that those words to me. Like, bro, 0:27:49.960 --> 0:27:53.120 you got to take their hand because I love perspective 0:27:53.200 --> 0:27:55.200 that makes sense. I'm a common sense type of guy. 0:27:55.560 --> 0:27:58.160 If you give me a perspective that actually makes sense, 0:27:58.440 --> 0:28:01.080 I'm like, okay, because I'm gonna tell you something. By 0:28:01.200 --> 0:28:04.920 listening to t I and Jesus verse, it's almost like 0:28:05.000 --> 0:28:06.760 they knew you was gonna jump, and they knew you 0:28:06.840 --> 0:28:10.760 had no choice to like to use their verse. See 0:28:10.880 --> 0:28:12.879 I could tell that too changes the verse they ever 0:28:12.960 --> 0:28:15.720 sent to you, Yeah, to change, see to change. I 0:28:15.800 --> 0:28:18.080 think that we had Jeezy and it's a little hard 0:28:18.080 --> 0:28:19.399 for me to remember now, but I think we had 0:28:19.480 --> 0:28:22.879 Teas and Jesus first and then when I was like, man, 0:28:22.960 --> 0:28:26.320 we gotta do change because I actually, you know what 0:28:26.320 --> 0:28:29.480 I'm saying, like I might as well, you know what 0:28:29.840 --> 0:28:31.920 this makes sense to me, you know what I'm saying, 0:28:31.960 --> 0:28:34.400 Like for this because I'm a music person. I've I've 0:28:34.440 --> 0:28:36.159 always been a producer before I knew I was a 0:28:36.240 --> 0:28:38.320 producer of music of how to put together a track 0:28:38.920 --> 0:28:42.120 or whatever, like that's just my thing, that's my superpower. 0:28:42.760 --> 0:28:45.240 And so you know, well, actually that's why I had 0:28:45.280 --> 0:28:47.080 to learn the hard lesson would change. When he was like, bro, 0:28:47.480 --> 0:28:50.680 he was like, I did it for the love and 0:28:50.800 --> 0:28:52.440 rock with you, And I see he did it for 0:28:52.480 --> 0:28:55.720 the love. But every honesty to being honest. The record 0:28:55.840 --> 0:28:59.360 is huge. It's a great looks because he was transitioning 0:28:59.480 --> 0:29:03.200 to he was transitioning also, so you definitely put your 0:29:03.240 --> 0:29:05.880 city before you at that time. I swear to God, 0:29:05.960 --> 0:29:07.640 like when you look at that, that was like a 0:29:07.760 --> 0:29:10.600 Jesus move. That was like, yeah, I'm a sacrifice. Everything 0:29:11.000 --> 0:29:15.080 been a sacrificial lamb been the sacrificial Would you be 0:29:15.200 --> 0:29:16.920 would you be like I just been that movement, the 0:29:17.360 --> 0:29:21.360 sacrificial land from the standpoint of like everybody has had 0:29:22.400 --> 0:29:25.720 got even bigger checks than I got after me or whatever, 0:29:25.800 --> 0:29:29.120 because people learned what to do with the artists. You 0:29:29.160 --> 0:29:32.720 don't understand the biggest difference between me and death Chad, 0:29:32.760 --> 0:29:35.440 which they just didn't understand. I was like the first 0:29:35.480 --> 0:29:38.920 of my kind. You know what I'm saying. Do you 0:29:39.040 --> 0:29:48.960 think you are? You can do on the side, But 0:29:50.320 --> 0:29:52.280 for lack of a better term, it's this whole thing 0:29:53.320 --> 0:29:56.640 mumble rap, Yes, sir. And the first mumble rap was 0:29:56.680 --> 0:30:01.320 looked us. We was just talking about this. I didn't 0:30:01.320 --> 0:30:04.400 think it was it was man skills. And I said, 0:30:04.720 --> 0:30:06.120 at first it looked at it like it was. It was. 0:30:06.240 --> 0:30:08.360 It was from the point almost like how backpack wrap 0:30:08.600 --> 0:30:11.960 was backpack. I don't think I don't think this say 0:30:12.240 --> 0:30:14.400 I'm telling you, I'm telling you. I'm just telling you 0:30:14.600 --> 0:30:17.320 my perspective. Back mumble rap was something that people like. Oh, 0:30:18.400 --> 0:30:21.880 but now mumble rapp is like someone respectable. Do you 0:30:21.960 --> 0:30:24.080 feel like you're one of the kings of mumble rap? 0:30:24.480 --> 0:30:26.760 I don't think so. I don't think that mumber I 0:30:26.800 --> 0:30:29.440 don't because I didn't that and came after me. I 0:30:29.560 --> 0:30:36.440 felt mumber rap came in like twenty like that wasn't 0:30:36.480 --> 0:30:39.200 really my thing. Like mcconan and those guys were kind 0:30:39.200 --> 0:30:42.600 of giving you like melody driven melody. It's different to 0:30:42.680 --> 0:30:45.680 me than mumbling, though I'm saying, I said, nobody actually 0:30:45.800 --> 0:30:49.040 really makes money off of like just genuinely mumbling. But 0:30:50.040 --> 0:30:51.880 four World I told him, I can't believe that anybody 0:30:51.920 --> 0:30:55.480 would actually say I am a mumble rapper. No, I 0:30:55.600 --> 0:31:00.640 think that like the melody. No, I haven't now some more, sorry, 0:31:00.840 --> 0:31:03.040 but I just I just couldn't see it, like I 0:31:03.440 --> 0:31:05.560 felt like that came out as a disk more like 0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:11.920 these are mumbo rappers backpack rap. I don't see it 0:31:12.000 --> 0:31:16.640 the same offense. You know, that was not that that 0:31:16.760 --> 0:31:20.720 was was That wasn't if they called you a backrap wrapper. 0:31:20.720 --> 0:31:22.520 You know what they were saying, that's all you have 0:31:22.680 --> 0:31:24.840 money to give you when you call someone back, and 0:31:24.880 --> 0:31:28.120 they wanted there gonna start just because just cos hardcore hippop. 0:31:28.280 --> 0:31:30.120 It was a hardcore hipoper. They don't call you back 0:31:30.160 --> 0:31:32.680 back now, backpack wrap and you're like, okay, that's a 0:31:32.760 --> 0:31:34.720 tiler clo like, I think it's a lot of things. 0:31:35.280 --> 0:31:38.040 It's respect but most death it's respecting people wouldn't But 0:31:38.120 --> 0:31:41.000 at first it wasn't. I'm just saying. I was say, 0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:44.640 you think my rap shouldn't be respecting. I think the 0:31:44.880 --> 0:31:47.040 version of Mumbo rap with the melodies like, but the 0:31:47.120 --> 0:31:49.920 homie just said with the melody these uh they said 0:31:49.960 --> 0:31:53.240 up mumbling. It's just you can't really articulate everything. I 0:31:53.400 --> 0:31:56.080 think that. I'm just saying they wouldn't call themselves mumbo. 0:31:56.720 --> 0:32:05.160 That's think another shot. Come on, you get to the 0:32:05.240 --> 0:32:09.760 bottom over come on, I'll lose that, David. Let me 0:32:09.800 --> 0:32:21.160 do a good' Come on, I see what I've really 0:32:22.520 --> 0:32:24.000 So what I what I would say to you is this, 0:32:24.160 --> 0:32:26.520 And I mean, I mean nine years might not be 0:32:26.600 --> 0:32:28.880 a lot in this game, but we still be here. 0:32:28.920 --> 0:32:31.520 I mean a lot to me because every day somebody 0:32:31.560 --> 0:32:34.000 count me out every single day. So what I tell 0:32:34.000 --> 0:32:36.400 you is in the midst of it, I still study 0:32:36.560 --> 0:32:39.880 and do my homework on the game because you have to. 0:32:40.040 --> 0:32:42.600 That's the only way I feel like you did your 0:32:42.640 --> 0:32:45.520 homework to get this podcast exactly. To understand nobody would 0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:49.520 know that the guy that the songs and for real 0:32:50.160 --> 0:32:53.480 and was like a real live street could talk that 0:32:53.640 --> 0:32:55.960 talk and that conversation with anybody. Yes, they knew you 0:32:56.000 --> 0:33:01.160 could comic. You know what I'm saying. So that is 0:33:01.200 --> 0:33:03.600 why I do my homework, because I mean, so many 0:33:03.680 --> 0:33:08.240 different brothers or whatever from the playboard cardis to hole. 0:33:08.760 --> 0:33:10.920 You know, I've meant all these people you know what 0:33:11.000 --> 0:33:13.600 I'm saying, and got respect from all these people Andrew 0:33:13.640 --> 0:33:16.320 three thousand, you know, And I realized that like when 0:33:16.360 --> 0:33:18.640 I get to talk to him, I always talk to 0:33:18.720 --> 0:33:20.520 a different person. I don't talk to the person that 0:33:20.720 --> 0:33:22.880 you see see on TV. I get to talk to 0:33:23.000 --> 0:33:25.600 the actual person. And so I know that this is 0:33:25.640 --> 0:33:28.840 a good brother or a good sister because when I 0:33:28.960 --> 0:33:31.000 googled you, one of the first things that popped up 0:33:31.360 --> 0:33:34.480 was what hit wonder Now, I know that you're aware 0:33:34.520 --> 0:33:36.120 of that because I'm aware of what they called me. 0:33:36.480 --> 0:33:39.640 But do you consider yourself that or how does one 0:33:39.960 --> 0:33:41.960 say that when they say that? Well, I think that 0:33:42.080 --> 0:33:45.360 at the end of the day, when somebody only has 0:33:46.560 --> 0:33:50.160 one hit, that you know, then the science of it 0:33:50.400 --> 0:33:54.080 is you have one hit or whatever. But I mean 0:33:54.600 --> 0:33:57.280 I have a lot of plaquess exactly. You know that 0:33:58.840 --> 0:34:01.560 it's always like for me, it's kind of like how 0:34:01.680 --> 0:34:05.960 somebody look at if you don't have your own soul plaques, 0:34:06.360 --> 0:34:09.400 but then you're only going to get counted for the 0:34:09.480 --> 0:34:11.279 ones that you have plaque for that of your song. 0:34:11.680 --> 0:34:14.440 So like August have seen that that's double platinum work Remix, 0:34:14.520 --> 0:34:18.719 that's double platinum, um Bruno Mars, that's diamond. You know 0:34:18.760 --> 0:34:22.440 what I'm saying, Like that doesn't count for hits or 0:34:22.800 --> 0:34:26.480 for me just because that's that's that's their head. That counts. 0:34:27.120 --> 0:34:33.240 That deminitely accounts, we know because I wasn't on it exactly. 0:34:33.320 --> 0:34:37.279 You know what I'm saying. That comes that talk what 0:34:37.480 --> 0:34:41.560 that also saying to tell answer to get back to 0:34:41.600 --> 0:34:43.960 what we're talking about, which is mumble rappers, and you 0:34:44.040 --> 0:34:47.239 know that perspective. You know, I truly truly feel that 0:34:48.000 --> 0:34:51.360 to actually make it in this game, it's still not easy. 0:34:52.000 --> 0:34:55.040 So and whatever you're doing, whatever that skill craft that 0:34:55.160 --> 0:34:57.680 you bring to it or whatever, you still got to 0:34:57.719 --> 0:35:00.239 be the best version of it. You know what I'm saying. 0:35:00.280 --> 0:35:02.400 You do open the door for a certain kind of 0:35:02.480 --> 0:35:05.080 worms that certain people are who are sticklers of this 0:35:05.200 --> 0:35:07.040 game will be like I hate that, I hate everything 0:35:07.120 --> 0:35:09.600 and stands for and that's totally fine. It's people that 0:35:09.640 --> 0:35:15.719 hate it. Uncle Luke Uncle lukek Norty Uncle Luke. Uncle 0:35:15.760 --> 0:35:19.520 Luke ain't big, but the Uncle Luke is Uncle Luke crew. 0:35:21.080 --> 0:35:24.040 What we're talking about everybody is the biggest thing at 0:35:24.080 --> 0:35:26.080 the top of the pyramid. For me is hip hop 0:35:26.800 --> 0:35:29.359 is keeping wrapped the number one genre because at one 0:35:29.400 --> 0:35:32.640 point in time we wasn't and so whatever it takes 0:35:32.719 --> 0:35:35.960 to keep us at number one, go for it. So 0:35:36.080 --> 0:35:39.040 I'm with you. That's for me, respectfully, you know what 0:35:39.080 --> 0:35:42.040 I'm saying, because that is what it's important. We can't 0:35:42.040 --> 0:35:44.399 depend on the best rappers to keep hip hop number 0:35:44.440 --> 0:35:48.239 one because they haven't. But that's true. When the best 0:35:48.320 --> 0:35:51.160 rappers were the best rappers, hip hop wasn't number one 0:35:51.680 --> 0:35:59.880 until when everybody became inclusive, everybody, everybody. That's that's when everybody. 0:36:00.000 --> 0:36:02.360 That's when we came number one. So that's what's important. 0:36:02.960 --> 0:36:05.239 And this doesn't take away. This doesn't take away from 0:36:05.280 --> 0:36:07.680 how great Kendrick lamarco rapper or Jake Cole and the 0:36:07.840 --> 0:36:10.560 niggas who can rap. It doesn't take away from the 0:36:10.600 --> 0:36:13.320 way that Playboy Cardi puts his songs together. Because we 0:36:13.440 --> 0:36:16.440 are all equally important, because the number one thing that 0:36:16.480 --> 0:36:18.120 should be at the top of the pyramid is rap 0:36:18.520 --> 0:36:20.600 is hip hop, and most of the lyrical very cool, 0:36:20.640 --> 0:36:25.480 great rappers. They spacious in their times and their albums. Anyway, 0:36:25.640 --> 0:36:27.719 there's no one like like you know that's supposed to 0:36:27.760 --> 0:36:30.160 be like the best to drop the album year after 0:36:30.960 --> 0:36:35.080 right now and then and then if Kendrick dropping his album, 0:36:35.160 --> 0:36:37.560 which I can't wait for us, and and and they 0:36:37.600 --> 0:36:40.480 don't live up to your height? You know now, is 0:36:40.560 --> 0:36:43.200 he not? The Kendrick has killed it for us for 0:36:43.640 --> 0:36:49.920 all these I'm teen years. You really truly can't please anyway. Yeah, 0:36:50.000 --> 0:36:52.360 that's the moral of the story. You truly can't. You know. 0:36:53.239 --> 0:36:55.960 Opinions is what keeps this game going and what gets 0:36:56.040 --> 0:36:58.320 us pain and what allows us to have conversation, to 0:36:58.360 --> 0:37:01.120 have podcast. What's the worst opinion you ever heard of yourself? Oh? 0:37:01.239 --> 0:37:03.279 I mean that you know, I'm not gonna make it, 0:37:03.840 --> 0:37:05.320 you know what I'm saying, Like, I'm not that this 0:37:05.480 --> 0:37:08.160 is the worst. That's the worst. That's the worst. You 0:37:08.200 --> 0:37:11.520 know anything else don't I probably haven't heard it, probably 0:37:11.560 --> 0:37:13.640 been worse, you know what I'm saying. It's like, I mean, 0:37:13.719 --> 0:37:17.319 my parents or whatever, But I can't be mad at 0:37:17.360 --> 0:37:19.920 the person I see every morning. I fought with that guy. 0:37:20.760 --> 0:37:26.839 Know what I'm saying, that's my nigger something that that's 0:37:26.880 --> 0:37:29.839 a patty, Like I said once again, like bro, when 0:37:29.880 --> 0:37:32.480 I got into this game, it felt like high school 0:37:32.480 --> 0:37:35.040 all over again. In high school, I was pretty freak cool, man, 0:37:35.520 --> 0:37:37.200 you know what I'm saying. I was pretty funk. That's 0:37:37.239 --> 0:37:39.480 why I wanted to Like again, I didn't want to 0:37:39.520 --> 0:37:41.879 take take up, take up for t'all, and like that's 0:37:41.920 --> 0:37:45.279 my man, but I don't want to take up from them. 0:37:45.360 --> 0:37:49.000 But I can understand, like you know, you're coming from 0:37:49.080 --> 0:37:52.400 left field, like with this with this energy that they 0:37:52.440 --> 0:37:57.080 don't understand, Like I don't say it's indicative of what 0:37:57.200 --> 0:38:03.440 you do, like dads are my big Criz was like 0:38:03.640 --> 0:38:06.000 that's how I tried. That's my am, right. I see 0:38:06.080 --> 0:38:08.759 him being competitive though, and and that's at the time. 0:38:09.160 --> 0:38:11.239 I don't think mean addict like how you interpreted it. 0:38:11.440 --> 0:38:15.000 I think he's being in the moment. His attitude wasn't 0:38:15.040 --> 0:38:19.040 the best attitude or whatever, and you just don't think 0:38:19.080 --> 0:38:20.600 about it. Like I just watched this shit on on 0:38:21.320 --> 0:38:24.080 on Netflix called The Crew, and it's about this NASCAR ship. 0:38:24.160 --> 0:38:26.400 That's how much I really love Kevin James as an actor. 0:38:26.680 --> 0:38:28.600 I hate NASCAR, but I was able to watch this 0:38:28.719 --> 0:38:31.439 whole season and none of the people who drove cars 0:38:31.440 --> 0:38:34.480 against each other got along. It just was like it 0:38:34.640 --> 0:38:37.279 was the nature of the business. It was just like, alright, cool, 0:38:37.640 --> 0:38:40.359 like we're actually cool as people. But when we get 0:38:40.440 --> 0:38:43.879 to the over together, fuck you brotherfucker your brother focus 0:38:43.920 --> 0:38:45.480 is over there, and I was like, this is him. 0:38:46.080 --> 0:38:49.200 I was like, I was just like we all got 0:38:49.280 --> 0:38:51.520 this one new places we hang out with, but like, 0:38:52.320 --> 0:38:54.000 I'm still trying to take your head off. I'm still 0:38:54.040 --> 0:38:56.640 trying to show you that I'm the I'm the man. 0:38:56.800 --> 0:39:00.200 That was probably that was definitely that was definitely lead 0:39:00.280 --> 0:39:02.480 his energy. He was probably just naming itself the king 0:39:02.560 --> 0:39:06.799 of the South to at that time of the South. 0:39:07.239 --> 0:39:09.000 You know what I'm saying that at that time right there, 0:39:09.000 --> 0:39:13.600 if you go back to everything felt the same. The 0:39:13.680 --> 0:39:15.880 reason why I came with something different because it just 0:39:15.960 --> 0:39:19.160 felt like I got tired of what we were doing. 0:39:19.200 --> 0:39:21.279 It just felt traditional. And once again, I've never been 0:39:21.280 --> 0:39:24.279 a traditional person, and so I was like, Okay, I 0:39:24.360 --> 0:39:26.640 got something to say, I got something to show, I 0:39:26.719 --> 0:39:28.880 got something I want to get off my chest or whatever. 0:39:28.960 --> 0:39:31.720 I'm gonna do my music, you know, And it wasn't 0:39:32.040 --> 0:39:35.279 to be to go up against t I oh that 0:39:35.400 --> 0:39:37.480 because coming from where I'm coming from, how I look 0:39:37.520 --> 0:39:39.759 at the game at the time, I'm not coming in 0:39:39.880 --> 0:39:43.400 with a big perspective because I don't even know. I'm like, 0:39:43.480 --> 0:39:45.960 you know what, I'm gonna just started independently and build 0:39:46.000 --> 0:39:48.200 myself up. I don't know where it's gonna go because 0:39:48.680 --> 0:39:51.600 my life is already kind of together on the style 0:39:51.680 --> 0:39:54.160 of side of things, running the closing store. I'm in 0:39:54.239 --> 0:39:58.319 the streets. I'm hustling. I'm cool with everybody, the real 0:39:58.400 --> 0:40:02.480 street niggas, you know, saying the litt college students, you know, 0:40:02.600 --> 0:40:04.960 the people who work at all the good companies, lawyers. 0:40:05.239 --> 0:40:06.759 These all come to the rock with me on the 0:40:06.840 --> 0:40:09.800 Friday when they get paid. So they asked you because 0:40:10.160 --> 0:40:13.120 I think the f started earlier, like you had one 0:40:13.160 --> 0:40:15.560 of the biggest deals from Depth Jam at that time. 0:40:15.719 --> 0:40:20.400 That time, man, at that time it came out, they 0:40:20.520 --> 0:40:22.759 came the old labels, I believe, because it blew up 0:40:22.800 --> 0:40:26.000 without the actually like college basketball when you high school 0:40:26.320 --> 0:40:30.160 psychologist giving letters. So they came into and I believe 0:40:30.239 --> 0:40:32.640 it's a two million out of deal. Oh I'm low. 0:40:32.760 --> 0:40:38.320 It's around there, Okay, a little bit up, Okay, alright, cool, 0:40:38.640 --> 0:40:41.880 So you got one record, but depth, how does that? 0:40:41.960 --> 0:40:43.719 How does that feeling? What is that? L A Reid 0:40:43.800 --> 0:40:47.960 at the time. No, No, that's Steve, Steve Bottles. No, 0:40:48.320 --> 0:40:53.440 that's very wise, that's very wise. He's the he's the 0:40:53.640 --> 0:40:56.920 CEO at the time. Um. The people that signed me 0:40:57.760 --> 0:41:02.160 at the time was Boo Care Quak San. That is 0:41:03.360 --> 0:41:10.400 because the Asian homegirl. Great people, great people. You know 0:41:10.440 --> 0:41:13.600 what I'm saying. Um, Like I said Blue as Brother, 0:41:13.920 --> 0:41:15.440 because these are the people that kind of pushed up 0:41:15.480 --> 0:41:18.120 together shout out to I've got to give love to 0:41:18.200 --> 0:41:25.359 Shoka um um not from Shock, the one from New York. Yeah, yeah, 0:41:25.760 --> 0:41:28.240 you know what I'm saying. Because he had a pardon 0:41:28.440 --> 0:41:30.400 in situations. I never knew the details of it, but 0:41:30.440 --> 0:41:31.879 I knew he always kind of like felt the type 0:41:31.920 --> 0:41:34.040 of way because he got finessed some type of way. 0:41:34.040 --> 0:41:35.640 I had nothing to do with that have but that's 0:41:35.640 --> 0:41:37.760 on business side. But I'm gonna give him his flowers 0:41:37.920 --> 0:41:41.399 because thank you whatever he was saying, help my name, 0:41:41.960 --> 0:41:47.520 you know, put my work up, you know, and he 0:41:47.560 --> 0:41:52.880 said a different shock. It's not shocking from Atlanta, assuming 0:41:55.200 --> 0:41:58.160 that's a woman from rock Nation. Yeah, you think you're 0:41:58.160 --> 0:41:59.920 talking about the same shocking, like what used to be 0:42:00.000 --> 0:42:03.319 Deth Jam way back used to that. That's what we're 0:42:03.320 --> 0:42:05.640 talking to New York kre Okay, yeah, yea, yeah, this 0:42:06.160 --> 0:42:12.680 your back about two. Don't get shot. You said shocking 0:42:12.719 --> 0:42:15.600 to hold me like that Field was a woman saying 0:42:15.640 --> 0:42:18.359 she works used to work out def jams. The woman bad. 0:42:18.440 --> 0:42:22.640 It's a man, that's gotta be It was def Jam 0:42:22.800 --> 0:42:29.600 so he yeah, okay, the person who got from next Okay, 0:42:29.640 --> 0:42:31.560 I'm giving your flowers right right, cool, I gotta stick 0:42:31.600 --> 0:42:33.160 a number about the thinking about calling them right now. 0:42:33.200 --> 0:42:38.680 You have to kind of very very story. So you know, 0:42:39.160 --> 0:42:42.680 these are the people who, you know, we're involved in 0:42:43.239 --> 0:42:45.480 putting it together, you know. And I met with you 0:42:45.520 --> 0:42:47.239 know a lot of labels. You know, I met with 0:42:47.320 --> 0:42:50.160 a lot of labels, and I remember l A read too, 0:42:50.360 --> 0:42:52.439 Lary was dope. I mean with Jimmy IRV. Jimmy Aben 0:42:52.560 --> 0:42:55.600 is the man. Jim Jimmy Jimmy Iveen gave me courtside 0:42:55.640 --> 0:42:57.880 seats to the like it's going well. You mad, Um 0:42:58.440 --> 0:43:02.880 not bad or was it any disappointment when um you 0:43:02.920 --> 0:43:05.200 went with Death Jam didn't go with anybody else? No, 0:43:05.360 --> 0:43:09.000 it definitely wasn't disappointment. Looking back at it, I do 0:43:09.200 --> 0:43:11.799 wish it I went with r C A if I'm 0:43:11.800 --> 0:43:14.799 not mistaken, I think O r C at Columbia one 0:43:14.880 --> 0:43:17.840 or the two I would ever be just because looking 0:43:17.920 --> 0:43:21.120 at it, they under they go a little bit harder 0:43:21.200 --> 0:43:25.799 for their a different type of artists. Whatever. Death Jam 0:43:25.960 --> 0:43:29.040 is TRADITIONALM. And once again, like I keep saying to you, 0:43:29.120 --> 0:43:32.240 I'm not TRADITIONALM, but not so traditional. They have flavor flame. 0:43:33.560 --> 0:43:36.799 But it was a part of Yeah, what I'm saying, 0:43:36.800 --> 0:43:38.920 it's part of a traditional world, like the way that 0:43:39.000 --> 0:43:42.400 hip hop is supposed to be brand which you know, 0:43:42.520 --> 0:43:46.239 I respect that picking up we don't know, let's see, 0:43:47.080 --> 0:43:55.239 no s I just just just FaceTime, you know. So, Um, 0:43:57.960 --> 0:44:00.200 that was the difference, you know what I'm saying, would 0:44:00.239 --> 0:44:02.000 say that that was like one of the biggest things, 0:44:02.000 --> 0:44:03.479 you know, I just had to learn a hard lesson, 0:44:03.600 --> 0:44:06.879 like I didn't like, you know what. I The one 0:44:06.960 --> 0:44:09.319 thing and if there's anything I don't like about everything 0:44:09.360 --> 0:44:12.359 that went down was that, you know, if we're doing 0:44:12.480 --> 0:44:15.840 business as grown men and women. You know, it's like 0:44:16.000 --> 0:44:18.239 for me, if me and you're doing business, I'll never 0:44:18.280 --> 0:44:20.640 tell nobody in here about our business, you know what 0:44:20.680 --> 0:44:22.439 I'm saying, especially when it comes to how much money, 0:44:22.480 --> 0:44:24.040 Like if I'm doing if you're doing a service for 0:44:24.160 --> 0:44:26.359 me and you charge me twenty bands, and twenty bands 0:44:26.360 --> 0:44:28.440 is what I paid you or whatever, I'm not gonna 0:44:28.520 --> 0:44:30.400 run and tell everybody in here how much I paid you. 0:44:31.000 --> 0:44:33.200 But that's just not my thing. But I just realized 0:44:33.239 --> 0:44:36.040 that everything that you do in this game, when you're 0:44:36.080 --> 0:44:37.759 coming in at the top of when you're at the 0:44:37.840 --> 0:44:41.760 top whatever is, people gotta announced that they won't they won't, 0:44:42.000 --> 0:44:45.480 you know what a validation And I've never lived in 0:44:45.520 --> 0:44:47.719 a place of validation. So that just turned me off 0:44:48.120 --> 0:44:52.759 from the day right after I signed or whatever, like, oh, 0:44:52.880 --> 0:44:56.000 I'll see what everybody is about in this game. I 0:44:56.120 --> 0:44:58.160 get it, you know what I'm saying, Like, I don't 0:44:58.200 --> 0:45:00.360 fully get it, but I see it for what it is, 0:45:00.880 --> 0:45:03.200 and I just got to move accordingly and find myself 0:45:03.280 --> 0:45:06.480 within it because obviously I'm not gonna quit. We're here 0:45:06.560 --> 0:45:09.320 now because I'm not gonna quit. But I see what 0:45:09.400 --> 0:45:11.879 y'all about. From everybody from artists, you know what I'm saying, 0:45:12.440 --> 0:45:14.399 t taught me the hard lesson. I learned a great 0:45:14.440 --> 0:45:16.560 lesson from two chains, but I learned a hard lesson 0:45:16.560 --> 0:45:18.759 from dem Sham. You know what I'm saying. Everybody taught 0:45:18.800 --> 0:45:22.160 me very hard lessons or whatever taught me a hard lessons. 0:45:22.200 --> 0:45:23.960 It was it like because what was the second single 0:45:24.040 --> 0:45:28.400 after Forget its Welcome, Women's Welcome, which was you know, 0:45:28.560 --> 0:45:32.759 way ahead of his time. Nobody was doing hipolysis. You're 0:45:32.800 --> 0:45:37.839 going against yourself, they're lucking hearing you. You probably beat 0:45:37.960 --> 0:45:40.960 that second single is probably beating the whole building. But 0:45:41.120 --> 0:45:47.160 it's not beating. That's that's the curse. That's what do 0:45:47.200 --> 0:45:49.480 you understand? What just no, no, no, no no, I'm understanding. 0:45:49.520 --> 0:45:54.080 Like it's like it's like it's hood, We're gonna work. 0:45:54.080 --> 0:45:56.520 We know what. It's like that syndrome. You know what 0:45:56.560 --> 0:45:58.880 I'm saying. That Bugatti, you know what I'm saying. And 0:45:59.000 --> 0:46:04.080 records like that I whatever, like you know with Females Welcome, 0:46:04.440 --> 0:46:06.480 you know the type of things that I had to 0:46:06.560 --> 0:46:09.319 deal with is like, you know, first the radio was like, man, 0:46:09.360 --> 0:46:11.399 we don't know how to play a record that has 0:46:11.480 --> 0:46:13.719 hip hop and E d M on it. You know 0:46:14.280 --> 0:46:17.040 they couldn't. That was the first and I'm gonna say 0:46:17.040 --> 0:46:19.800 it's excuse, it's just the truth. Whatever. I was like, 0:46:20.120 --> 0:46:23.719 all right, someone, I wouldn't have got Juicy J on 0:46:23.880 --> 0:46:25.840 the remix. I got Juice on the remix. I was like, 0:46:25.960 --> 0:46:27.560 let's do this one because Juicy the man, he had 0:46:27.719 --> 0:46:29.879 bands to make him dance. And that's when Juicy making 0:46:29.880 --> 0:46:35.399 his resurgence. But this is great, literally Juicy Jay's label, 0:46:35.440 --> 0:46:38.800 not Juicy because he's a great guy. He's amazing. I wouldever, 0:46:38.840 --> 0:46:40.200 he killed the verse, send it to him. I met 0:46:40.280 --> 0:46:41.560 him out of show. I asked, I say, but I 0:46:41.600 --> 0:46:43.120 would love to have you on my real was because 0:46:43.719 --> 0:46:45.520 this is what's happening. This situation is going on with me. 0:46:45.560 --> 0:46:47.560 They won't play my record for my second single on 0:46:47.600 --> 0:46:50.719 the radio because it's too different for them. I would ever, 0:46:50.800 --> 0:46:53.800 nobody had Nobody at the time had the record that 0:46:54.160 --> 0:46:56.439 was hip hop with the E d M in the middle. 0:46:56.560 --> 0:46:58.719 How whatever. Then Rocky came a while for the Night 0:46:58.800 --> 0:47:01.800 with screw X and and everybody accepted it for what 0:47:01.960 --> 0:47:05.560 it is. But I kicked that off. Can't nobody tell 0:47:05.600 --> 0:47:08.160 me different or whatever? So I changed it up, got 0:47:08.520 --> 0:47:13.040 j on it his label wouldn't clear the verse because 0:47:13.400 --> 0:47:15.600 I think it's commented they wuldn't clear the verse because 0:47:16.600 --> 0:47:19.799 he had too many features on the radio. Mm hmm. 0:47:21.000 --> 0:47:24.239 It happened like that. Look when they said that to me, 0:47:24.880 --> 0:47:29.160 I was like, Yo, this right here is devised for 0:47:29.520 --> 0:47:33.520 you to either quit be piste off all the time 0:47:34.080 --> 0:47:36.400 or to lose you know, And so I just had 0:47:36.440 --> 0:47:38.279 to find myself. Man. You know, all those things are 0:47:38.320 --> 0:47:41.680 the things I was dealing with all leading up to 0:47:41.840 --> 0:47:44.160 that whole New York situation you asked me about, you know, 0:47:44.280 --> 0:47:47.520 so dealing with just like where dumb business? Jaka, what's 0:47:47.560 --> 0:47:52.960 going on? Brother? Yo? Listen, we got we got Trinidad. 0:47:53.080 --> 0:47:57.640 Jameson didn't drink chap and he did say that there 0:47:57.760 --> 0:47:59.520 is a brother name Shotgun that has something to do 0:47:59.600 --> 0:48:02.040 with this. That he didn't feel like if you got 0:48:02.080 --> 0:48:05.080 the camera and we didn't, he didn't. He felt like 0:48:05.560 --> 0:48:07.640 he should have gave him some props to he He 0:48:07.719 --> 0:48:11.080 felt like that it was it was had something to 0:48:11.120 --> 0:48:13.520 do with making the deal. But maybe you never got 0:48:13.600 --> 0:48:21.960 your props. I know he's talking about. I don't. He 0:48:22.000 --> 0:48:25.920 would have to jog my memory. But we're just in conversation. 0:48:26.040 --> 0:48:27.440 I do, you know, I do a lot of behind 0:48:27.440 --> 0:48:31.560 the scenes conversation. Um. And I propped the record up 0:48:31.680 --> 0:48:37.080 because the record was going crazy in Atlanta. If he 0:48:38.200 --> 0:48:41.279 who signed him? He right here, he right here, right here. 0:48:41.640 --> 0:48:45.359 I passed the forth. What's going on? My brother, So look, 0:48:45.640 --> 0:48:50.440 let's make him so obviously what I'm saying, we're working 0:48:50.560 --> 0:48:54.479 right now or whatever, but just in general and from 0:48:54.800 --> 0:48:57.040 this is what I story that I've heard is that 0:48:57.400 --> 0:49:02.120 you know, you god, you were putting it work on 0:49:02.200 --> 0:49:05.440 my record. I did, I didn't know, right, And then 0:49:05.600 --> 0:49:08.719 they got the credit for the record referring to you 0:49:08.760 --> 0:49:10.560 know the people who they said, Simon who signed me, 0:49:10.640 --> 0:49:17.239 Karen Quak, Sean Pecas, Chris Atlas and Boom. Yeah, you know, 0:49:17.400 --> 0:49:22.200 and the what the word is what's being said is 0:49:22.320 --> 0:49:25.160 that you know, you felt the type of way about it, 0:49:25.239 --> 0:49:28.279 not towards me, obviously, you know, but towards them. So 0:49:28.680 --> 0:49:32.720 I wanted to give you the flowers that you deserved, 0:49:33.480 --> 0:49:35.920 just in general, because obviously you know that was out 0:49:35.960 --> 0:49:40.759 of my control. Yeah, I got there. I appreciate it. Yeah, 0:49:40.840 --> 0:49:42.800 that was that was at the time when I just 0:49:43.200 --> 0:49:45.279 anything that came out of Atlanta. I was champion, but 0:49:45.360 --> 0:49:48.040 obviously it was a movement and I was just putting. 0:49:48.080 --> 0:49:50.160 I was I was on people next about making sure 0:49:50.200 --> 0:49:53.680 that they signed certain talent, and I wanted to go 0:49:53.840 --> 0:49:56.000 through my label and some stuff. You know, we know 0:49:56.120 --> 0:50:00.920 one you got over ride participation or whatever. Then you know, 0:50:01.360 --> 0:50:05.320 mysteriously and you know, pop up in other people's It 0:50:05.440 --> 0:50:08.200 was situation, but you know, but for Trunidad, I was 0:50:08.239 --> 0:50:11.160 just happy and I definitely was co signing the movement 0:50:11.160 --> 0:50:12.840 because it was off the chain when it was happening. 0:50:12.960 --> 0:50:17.080 Goddamn mixing things to that bad shocking so much. Were 0:50:17.120 --> 0:50:20.160 just like you looking history. Man. We love this man, 0:50:22.760 --> 0:50:26.040 man love always my brother, my bros. Shocking motherfucker's do 0:50:26.120 --> 0:50:30.399 the bay. So that that's history right there. That you listen. 0:50:30.480 --> 0:50:32.960 By the way, for people who don't know all those 0:50:33.080 --> 0:50:37.360 names you just named, ain't a lightweight on there. Nobody 0:50:37.560 --> 0:50:40.040 who know who names, nobody's alive. I don't even need 0:50:40.040 --> 0:50:42.640 you name then all you need name like you guys 0:50:42.640 --> 0:50:46.840 said him. That's how seriousness this is. Me leaving the 0:50:46.920 --> 0:50:49.440 streets and walking into meetings with people like this and 0:50:49.760 --> 0:50:52.400 happen to say yourself, you know, when you've seen Bobby's murder, 0:50:52.480 --> 0:50:55.480 dancing on the table, and just I'm type of meetings. 0:50:56.280 --> 0:50:58.200 That was my meeting. I wasn't at something table, but 0:50:58.280 --> 0:51:01.640 you know those I was me. You know what I'm 0:51:01.680 --> 0:51:03.800 saying to like, let them know who I was. And 0:51:03.880 --> 0:51:06.520 I've never changed. The same person talking to you right now, 0:51:06.800 --> 0:51:08.960 that's the same person talking to them. And it's like, 0:51:09.080 --> 0:51:13.879 let's do business. So when we did business and things 0:51:13.960 --> 0:51:20.560 started happening, the things that started happening as as after 0:51:20.600 --> 0:51:22.880 I signed my deal, it just kind of rubbed me 0:51:22.960 --> 0:51:25.279 the wrong way. And like I said, I just never 0:51:25.400 --> 0:51:28.839 had no big homie. What was the worst? Like, um, 0:51:29.520 --> 0:51:32.000 like it's like, damn, this this is like fake industry 0:51:32.239 --> 0:51:34.520 because I had so many moments for me where I 0:51:34.640 --> 0:51:36.360 was just like, you know what, this is another streets 0:51:36.400 --> 0:51:38.400 at all. Let me let me differentiate this. But what 0:51:38.600 --> 0:51:42.759 was the first? Maybe not the worst? What was the first? Yeah, 0:51:42.800 --> 0:51:44.839 I think was the first, But you know what I said, 0:51:44.880 --> 0:51:47.239 your perspective on it is a perspective that I've seen 0:51:47.800 --> 0:51:49.920 longer down in my career where it's just like, bro, 0:51:50.360 --> 0:51:52.279 if you're at the top, I'm gonna come. I would 0:51:52.280 --> 0:51:53.600 have like I watched a lot of movies I'm a 0:51:53.680 --> 0:51:55.920 movie person. You know what if you say that you 0:51:56.040 --> 0:51:58.320 are the best fighter in the world, like you know 0:51:58.400 --> 0:52:02.920 what's Afro Samurai? You didn't see that samuraize an animal, 0:52:03.000 --> 0:52:05.560 you know when he travels around and the person that 0:52:05.640 --> 0:52:07.840 wears the number one band. You can only get it 0:52:07.920 --> 0:52:09.359 by if you're not number two. You can only get 0:52:09.440 --> 0:52:12.399 number one by killing number one. You know what I'm saying. 0:52:12.480 --> 0:52:14.640 So I didn't you know, I didn't see that. That's 0:52:14.680 --> 0:52:16.600 what it was in the moment, because I'm looking at 0:52:16.640 --> 0:52:20.040 this like, Bro, I'm doing this bigger for Atlanta, for 0:52:20.520 --> 0:52:23.160 for us in period or whatever you like. I'm seeing 0:52:23.200 --> 0:52:25.400 it bigger. Why is you coming in here on this 0:52:25.600 --> 0:52:29.440 weird energy? Like you know? That's how I'm looking at it. Oh, that, 0:52:29.560 --> 0:52:31.480 but that's why I would have boom. You know you 0:52:31.640 --> 0:52:33.440 number one, sir, I'm gonna come and try and kill you. 0:52:33.640 --> 0:52:36.040 But you know I'm saying, but you didn't understand that. 0:52:36.120 --> 0:52:37.960 I didn't understand that in the time, So it came 0:52:38.000 --> 0:52:40.439 across defensive. It was like video games. You play video games. 0:52:40.480 --> 0:52:42.880 That's why nobody really shows you say I'm a teacher, Bro, 0:52:43.080 --> 0:52:47.440 I'm a I'm a silence from help work because from 0:52:47.480 --> 0:52:50.360 the video game and y'all ain't trying to show you 0:52:50.480 --> 0:52:52.560 ain't trying to share nobody's energy on the video games 0:52:52.600 --> 0:52:58.160 drying across the bunk. He came from a perspectives were 0:52:58.160 --> 0:53:02.160 not trying to help exactly. And so I get that 0:53:02.200 --> 0:53:04.839 because you're gonna have people who identified with that type 0:53:04.880 --> 0:53:07.080 of energy where it's like if you number one, I'm 0:53:07.160 --> 0:53:11.200 in kil Mo. But you also have people that identifies like, hey, bro, Like, um, 0:53:11.280 --> 0:53:14.040 if you look at the Judah and the Black Side 0:53:14.120 --> 0:53:17.760 movie with first it's incredible, It's incredible with Ryan Coogler, 0:53:17.760 --> 0:53:20.480 all those people involved in the movie soundtrack is incredible, 0:53:20.560 --> 0:53:23.480 Hope and Nips. You know, my boy hit boy got 0:53:23.520 --> 0:53:26.440 a crazy song anyways. Um, if you look at like 0:53:26.520 --> 0:53:29.439 Fred Hampton or whatever, like he was a powerful black 0:53:29.480 --> 0:53:33.279 brother one when they killed him. You know what I'm saying, 0:53:33.320 --> 0:53:35.360 It's like, but he went around to the Crowns and 0:53:35.440 --> 0:53:39.319 different Games and the the KKK and those people to like, look, 0:53:39.719 --> 0:53:44.160 let's work together, because together they can't funk with us. 0:53:44.760 --> 0:53:46.719 If it's just left up to one of us to 0:53:46.840 --> 0:53:50.080 do it, how are you gonna put all the responsibility 0:53:50.120 --> 0:53:52.680 on me? Nigga? I just came in this ship. The 0:53:52.760 --> 0:53:56.000 common sense is my vibe or whatever someone's like, instead 0:53:56.040 --> 0:53:58.640 of trying to kill me off the map or whatever, 0:53:58.920 --> 0:54:03.120 why don't you give me some game or whatever, because 0:54:03.520 --> 0:54:04.960 at the end of the day, like, that's why I 0:54:05.000 --> 0:54:07.839 love your thug, the stuff that I did for your 0:54:07.920 --> 0:54:10.239 thug in the beginning of his career, which not much 0:54:10.960 --> 0:54:13.600 or whatever, Like when I when I had my platform 0:54:13.719 --> 0:54:17.680 to be the number one guy and that no no, no, 0:54:17.760 --> 0:54:19.400 no no no, let me let me say, let me 0:54:19.480 --> 0:54:26.240 say myself, say myself say when I had my chance 0:54:27.480 --> 0:54:29.960 and doing my thing, and my platform is that platform 0:54:30.000 --> 0:54:32.640 where whatever I say goes. When I went to the 0:54:32.719 --> 0:54:36.400 radio station, I whatever, I knew that one of the 0:54:36.480 --> 0:54:39.040 most talented people in our city was young Thug. He 0:54:39.160 --> 0:54:40.839 had dropped. He had Danny Glover at the time. He's 0:54:40.840 --> 0:54:43.080 just coming off a three mix tape. Came from nothing 0:54:43.120 --> 0:54:45.839 one to three whatever. Danny Glover is the hardest song 0:54:45.920 --> 0:54:48.200 on Earth. Nobody had the hardest song. I Don't care 0:54:48.239 --> 0:54:50.520 who you were. Nobody had the hardest song. That was 0:54:50.600 --> 0:54:54.719 the most genre bending approached to a trap song that 0:54:54.920 --> 0:54:59.000 anybody had ever took. Any nobody creative thu future, nobody 0:54:59.040 --> 0:55:03.359 more creative we were trying to call Danny. I called here. Yeah, 0:55:03.400 --> 0:55:05.960 Doug had a song called Danny Glove. Danny Glove at 0:55:06.000 --> 0:55:08.480 the most two of them. I had a song called 0:55:17.160 --> 0:55:19.880 and so when I went to radio station, you know, 0:55:20.280 --> 0:55:22.440 I made sure that I gave him his flowers and 0:55:22.520 --> 0:55:25.960 then Doug and when you know, I've always been a 0:55:26.000 --> 0:55:27.600 person to like, you know what, I'm gonna do my 0:55:27.640 --> 0:55:29.080 own shows. I put my money up and do my 0:55:29.120 --> 0:55:31.080 own shows. So when I do my own shows and 0:55:31.120 --> 0:55:33.520 book out of venue. When I started doing my own 0:55:33.600 --> 0:55:36.920 things or whatever, boom, I reached out to people like him, 0:55:36.960 --> 0:55:39.239 like come performing. O there, we gotta go back to 0:55:39.320 --> 0:55:42.040 how you do that? Just keep going. But that's another thing. 0:55:42.680 --> 0:55:45.319 So I did my own show, paid for my own 0:55:45.360 --> 0:55:48.200 money or whatever. I'm like, I reached out. I forgot 0:55:48.239 --> 0:55:50.480 how I reached out, but I got to him or whatever, 0:55:50.480 --> 0:55:52.239 and I was like, hey, bro, come perform. And I 0:55:52.360 --> 0:55:56.440 think because you are the truth. I know my purpose, 0:55:56.480 --> 0:55:59.360 I know my journey or whatever, but you are the 0:55:59.520 --> 0:56:03.480 real out damn truth whatever. Come performed. So he came performed. 0:56:03.480 --> 0:56:06.960 Peebe Longwood can't performed. Would have they're both incredible artists. 0:56:07.320 --> 0:56:10.120 He can't perform Danny Glover. For the people who got 0:56:10.160 --> 0:56:12.680 to enjoy that show, that was the most intimate, most 0:56:12.719 --> 0:56:16.120 amazing experience they will ever have with you or whatever, 0:56:16.160 --> 0:56:18.359 you know, And that is just that's how I look 0:56:18.400 --> 0:56:20.920 at it. It's like, look, if I know somebody is 0:56:20.960 --> 0:56:25.880 better than me as something, you come do this, you 0:56:26.080 --> 0:56:30.160 come do it. I didn't. I didn't because I was 0:56:30.239 --> 0:56:32.759 later on the energy that I put out there is 0:56:32.880 --> 0:56:35.160 be whoever you want to be, do whatever you want 0:56:35.200 --> 0:56:37.319 to do. I would have That's what Prince did. That's 0:56:37.360 --> 0:56:42.399 what did you know what I'm saying, that's what that's 0:56:42.400 --> 0:56:44.920 what did or whatever, because at the end of the day, 0:56:44.920 --> 0:56:47.799 you're going to have your opinion. My nails, You're going 0:56:47.840 --> 0:56:49.919 to have your opinion on it. His dress, You're gonna 0:56:49.960 --> 0:56:53.759 have an opinion on it. You're titled to do that. 0:56:54.960 --> 0:56:58.200 Names if Rick James offered me some coping, I'm sniffing 0:56:58.239 --> 0:57:09.560 cocon all that what you said, I am molly about you? 0:57:10.719 --> 0:57:17.720 Somebody singing about Molly. When you said I popped Molly, 0:57:17.800 --> 0:57:22.120 I'm sweat. Come in, Donor said I'm in, I'm coming. 0:57:24.960 --> 0:57:27.640 But as you and we're talking now, you know, and 0:57:27.800 --> 0:57:29.920 you always from the first time we met, you know, 0:57:30.160 --> 0:57:31.720 just telling somebody this. Last night, I was talking to 0:57:31.760 --> 0:57:33.520 a little female and she was asking, like, how do 0:57:33.560 --> 0:57:35.520 this come about? What you did on Nori? I was like, 0:57:35.600 --> 0:57:37.200 you know what I meant. You know, you embraced me, 0:57:37.280 --> 0:57:39.520 but just so it is and I would have never 0:57:39.640 --> 0:57:43.520 thought that your energy It was like that. You know 0:57:43.560 --> 0:57:45.320 what I'm saying, because once again, if we just listen 0:57:45.400 --> 0:57:48.160 to somebody music exactly, you know what exactly it's like, Yeah, 0:57:48.200 --> 0:57:51.080 I mean it's just different exactly, it's it's it's an Ora, 0:57:51.160 --> 0:57:53.240 it's or you're gonna live in an oral like me. Firstly, 0:57:53.560 --> 0:57:56.960 um like Prell changed my life. I'm being honest. When 0:57:57.000 --> 0:58:00.360 Perrell told me that, he said, Michael Jackson all this 0:58:00.560 --> 0:58:03.600 music that he made with Michael Jackson, but Michael Jackson 0:58:03.640 --> 0:58:06.680 wanted the music that we made together. And it made 0:58:06.720 --> 0:58:12.720 me realize that sometimes you gotta watch what you say 0:58:12.720 --> 0:58:15.960 because you attracted, but sometimes you're gonna just attract something 0:58:16.600 --> 0:58:19.880 that maybe you didn't want or maybe you didn't know, 0:58:20.520 --> 0:58:23.160 but they're gonna be Justice is important, and I've always 0:58:23.200 --> 0:58:25.520 been that guy like to be able to go to 0:58:25.640 --> 0:58:28.480 the South early, like I've been working with David Bannam 0:58:28.560 --> 0:58:32.440 when he was in crook at Lettics. I was working 0:58:32.480 --> 0:58:36.080 with with Juvenile before. Yeah, I was working like like 0:58:36.280 --> 0:58:39.360 I was like the first artist that cash Money work 0:58:39.400 --> 0:58:42.000 within New York. I knew what time it was in 0:58:42.080 --> 0:58:45.200 the South because I had family in the South connect 0:58:45.440 --> 0:58:48.360 and yeah, and the thing is all I know, I 0:58:48.400 --> 0:58:50.000 gotta ask it to y'all and you gotta act it 0:58:50.080 --> 0:58:53.360 to me. We just saying it's like sorry to say 0:58:53.720 --> 0:58:58.640 people were sick. Bro, you gotta do rag let's go. 0:58:59.280 --> 0:59:08.160 I gotta make this is freaking up New York, right, Yeah, 0:59:08.160 --> 0:59:11.480 it's good, all right. So and so it was easy 0:59:11.640 --> 0:59:17.600 for me to actually what people call different not I 0:59:17.640 --> 0:59:19.680 don't want to call him normal. And that's that's what 0:59:19.840 --> 0:59:23.240 even me and this brother like, um, you know, I 0:59:23.360 --> 0:59:25.560 was coming to the South early, and I knew what 0:59:25.640 --> 0:59:28.800 I came to Miami. I was gonna come back and 0:59:28.880 --> 0:59:31.320 I was gonna frequent and me and him develop this 0:59:31.440 --> 0:59:33.880 relationship and that's what that's really what it is. So 0:59:34.360 --> 0:59:37.120 you know, the world is actually small if you're actually 0:59:37.200 --> 0:59:39.840 really getting money and you're traveling, the world is small, 0:59:40.080 --> 0:59:42.240 like it's mad small, Like you can go to Dooms 0:59:42.240 --> 0:59:45.800 the door of Dermany, the bumping that somebody getting Chinese food. 0:59:45.840 --> 0:59:58.320 You know what this thing is doing? Club, so spak 0:59:58.400 --> 1:00:04.440 kicking him, make fi kick thinking we know your family 1:00:04.520 --> 1:00:07.920 owned clubs. You guys own the Branson vodka along with fifty. 1:00:08.200 --> 1:00:11.360 You gotta ellaboration together, you and the Branson vodka. Let's 1:00:11.360 --> 1:00:13.920 talk about it. So the Branson, um and the Champagne, 1:00:13.960 --> 1:00:16.480 the Shimen Deloy, and that's what we're moving now. Um 1:00:16.760 --> 1:00:18.919 love how you said that ship bad fast. I don't 1:00:18.920 --> 1:00:22.960 think you know how to pronounce it very good the 1:00:23.400 --> 1:00:28.640 way you pronounced it back, that's what it is. Okay, 1:00:28.880 --> 1:00:31.040 the Branson. That's what we're moving now. And then you 1:00:31.160 --> 1:00:33.120 know everything going on. It's not easy to be in 1:00:33.160 --> 1:00:35.160 the clubs and move the lick at the way we are, 1:00:35.240 --> 1:00:36.920 but we're trying to make it work as best as 1:00:36.960 --> 1:00:39.720 we can. So what's going on with New York clubs? 1:00:39.760 --> 1:00:42.440 Are we still shut down? We still shut down? To eleven? 1:00:42.480 --> 1:00:46.640 Now indoor dining is back open to eleven Jersey? You 1:00:46.760 --> 1:00:49.520 could they let in the town choose so like Elizabeth 1:00:49.520 --> 1:00:53.200 like called the twelve but the two in the morning 1:00:53.520 --> 1:00:56.480 so zones he's owning it. Depending when this comes out. 1:00:56.520 --> 1:00:59.000 We don't know what's going on. But that's what it 1:00:59.080 --> 1:01:01.320 is for right now. Everybody goes to move to Atlanta. 1:01:02.280 --> 1:01:10.440 Why open the Texas Texas? Really, I didn't know about 1:01:10.480 --> 1:01:16.400 Texas spak. How many Trigorda records you spent? How like 1:01:16.800 --> 1:01:20.240 four or five? Okay? Okay, okay, okay. And New York 1:01:20.280 --> 1:01:23.760 were a tough crowd. Listen, New York can't get New 1:01:23.800 --> 1:01:26.360 York club all the time. He was saying that you 1:01:26.440 --> 1:01:40.440 see nigga like just speaking ran down there. This is 1:01:40.520 --> 1:01:41.960 I don't have to make this stuff first, Like I 1:01:42.160 --> 1:01:44.440 literally heard it from the mouth of real New York 1:01:44.520 --> 1:01:48.160 niggas where they don't get to support that they feel 1:01:48.200 --> 1:01:51.640 they truly deserved. And I felt them niggas deserved it too. 1:01:52.880 --> 1:01:55.080 Just feel like eight years ago we should feel somebody 1:01:55.080 --> 1:01:57.600 like Pop Smoke getting all this love. But isn't it 1:01:57.720 --> 1:02:00.160 like a bit of sweet because Pop is getting When 1:02:00.160 --> 1:02:02.760 I'm listening, by the way, all my phones, when they 1:02:02.760 --> 1:02:05.400 asked my address, I still put in my address now 1:02:05.560 --> 1:02:09.280 seven seven Avenue, So everything is called is colded to. 1:02:09.600 --> 1:02:11.640 When I listened to my app, I get the New 1:02:11.760 --> 1:02:17.800 York commercials, I get the the traffic for the Triborough Bridge. Meanwhile, 1:02:17.800 --> 1:02:20.000 I live it here for the last forty years. But 1:02:20.280 --> 1:02:22.919 I listened up. Pop Smokes gets so much of this love. 1:02:23.200 --> 1:02:25.440 But this isn't a kind of bitter suite because it's like, 1:02:26.080 --> 1:02:28.360 wouldn't it meant more? Off? Pop was getting that love. 1:02:28.680 --> 1:02:32.240 He was alive, but he wasn't. He was in New York. 1:02:32.320 --> 1:02:34.360 He was getting in love. But like when I was like, man, 1:02:34.440 --> 1:02:36.040 when I did not, but when I did the club, 1:02:36.840 --> 1:02:39.480 it would have happened to him alive. It just happened 1:02:39.480 --> 1:02:45.400 to be Tortue. Travis would have got that. Travis got 1:02:45.440 --> 1:02:48.960 that there at least at least the fishes were Travis 1:02:49.040 --> 1:02:55.280 and quite. He dropped solid process again to come on 1:02:56.000 --> 1:02:58.400 late with the brass fifty. How you be late with 1:02:58.440 --> 1:03:02.600 direst It was I'm blaming it on fifty every time 1:03:02.600 --> 1:03:07.120 we go an. But when I was in Musing in Texas, 1:03:07.760 --> 1:03:10.200 I've seen the reaction, I'm like, damn, they really that 1:03:10.280 --> 1:03:12.200 he was going after he was going after he was gone. 1:03:12.560 --> 1:03:14.240 So when he was here, it wasn't out of town 1:03:14.720 --> 1:03:18.200 that big yet all. So last time we was here 1:03:18.680 --> 1:03:21.520 before the pandemic shutdown, it was me, fifty and Pop. 1:03:22.040 --> 1:03:24.600 We were in Miami. We did came with the Dream 1:03:24.640 --> 1:03:27.200 and we did Booby Trap and he's performing, but they 1:03:27.360 --> 1:03:29.920 not welcome to the party. Early state, they didn't really 1:03:30.000 --> 1:03:32.000 know it yet. The only reason they ranking the Strip 1:03:32.040 --> 1:03:33.600 Club because all the New York nigglas was in the 1:03:33.640 --> 1:03:36.440 Strip Club. But Miami ain't really gravitated the way they 1:03:36.480 --> 1:03:39.240 gravitate to it now. Miami is always like that though. Yeah, 1:03:40.680 --> 1:03:42.520 it's still the South, you know what it's like. We 1:03:42.600 --> 1:03:46.520 gotta look the album that he dropped before he passed away. 1:03:46.560 --> 1:03:49.400 We had Element on it. The songs were Quavo or 1:03:49.400 --> 1:03:51.800 whatever like that. By the time that album, I think 1:03:51.840 --> 1:03:57.520 the momentum goodness. Now he is legit amazing, Like from 1:03:57.840 --> 1:04:01.160 from that situation that you brought up in twenty to 1:04:01.280 --> 1:04:04.080 where it is now. That's all I'm saying. I was like, 1:04:04.200 --> 1:04:08.680 these artists to serve ticket their music playing, they're dope, 1:04:09.040 --> 1:04:11.440 And what's the artist right now? From New York? Far 1:04:11.560 --> 1:04:20.360 and fave rio, fabio, um c J J J J 1:04:20.600 --> 1:04:24.960 I Bookie, No, it's Bookie, damn about to be o G. 1:04:25.560 --> 1:04:29.920 You can't do that. So I don't know what it 1:04:30.000 --> 1:04:32.120 was like. No, that's how fashion is going. But I 1:04:32.160 --> 1:04:34.960 don't think we just got a good seventh Ace Bookie 1:04:35.480 --> 1:04:39.600 Ace Bookie got a good what's que what's this? Homie? 1:04:39.720 --> 1:04:43.560 Um q q al right? Who else? Who else? Put 1:04:43.600 --> 1:04:47.040 me to some somebody? I shooting? Um? What's coming out 1:04:47.080 --> 1:04:51.840 of New York? And Jada Prince? Where do I? Chef G? 1:04:52.240 --> 1:04:55.880 Chef G sleepy hollow? Those dudes moving okay and they're 1:04:55.920 --> 1:05:04.560 doing listen up, come on, come on, come on. You 1:05:04.800 --> 1:05:12.200 ain't t't have me trap so much. Just can't watch 1:05:12.880 --> 1:05:16.560 because when the table watch it, I just can't watch him. 1:05:16.760 --> 1:05:18.440 He had me, had me a trap. I feel like 1:05:18.480 --> 1:05:20.880 New York tried to come together. I think because oh, 1:05:21.000 --> 1:05:23.840 you always see the mean Atlanta they gets stayed together, yeah, 1:05:24.240 --> 1:05:26.120 that thing. But New York it's like they traveling and 1:05:26.160 --> 1:05:28.160 they're still being lokey competition each other. I don't know 1:05:28.240 --> 1:05:30.640 what it is. I was just playing to him earlier. 1:05:30.640 --> 1:05:33.720 I think that's just the competition of the business. I 1:05:33.760 --> 1:05:35.680 don't think it's New York New York. So I think 1:05:35.720 --> 1:05:37.680 that New York has the biggest energy where it's like 1:05:38.920 --> 1:05:41.520 doggy dog energy, But I think it not to have 1:05:41.680 --> 1:05:44.520 that anymore. I think I think we're for I'm saying 1:05:44.680 --> 1:05:47.560 from everything that I kicked off from when I got 1:05:47.680 --> 1:05:51.200 my damn lashing from what I said, and then gradually, 1:05:51.240 --> 1:05:53.440 as you've seen, it was just like, look, you're so 1:05:53.560 --> 1:05:56.040 much shot spake kid, Come on, baby, man, you can't 1:05:56.760 --> 1:06:06.320 let's go Let's go back. Don't da just go oh 1:06:06.400 --> 1:06:09.360 smooth out too out of Brooklyn. Come on. Yeah, it's 1:06:09.440 --> 1:06:11.600 it's it's at the end of the day. Man's look, 1:06:12.200 --> 1:06:14.720 if you're doing good music, you deserve And I'm gonna 1:06:14.760 --> 1:06:18.320 tell you, in two years, Atlanta is going to be 1:06:18.400 --> 1:06:20.520 worse than New York with the competition. You think, so, 1:06:21.160 --> 1:06:23.640 that's just not an energy. We have Southern hospitality at 1:06:23.640 --> 1:06:28.000 our core. Y'all don't, y'all don't that's the biggest difference 1:06:28.160 --> 1:06:31.320 what he said it though. That's that's how he didn't it. 1:06:32.560 --> 1:06:36.040 That's the it's the truth that the South before two 1:06:36.120 --> 1:06:39.600 years it's okay, but I'm gonna tell you this. I'm 1:06:40.160 --> 1:06:42.440 Atlanta has always been ahead of everybody in terms of 1:06:42.480 --> 1:06:46.000 their unity. Man. Yeah, but I've also seen the footages 1:06:47.120 --> 1:06:49.960 talking about it recently, I can't say nothing other than that. 1:06:50.520 --> 1:06:53.840 Talking about the footages, I think that I think that's 1:06:53.880 --> 1:06:57.800 at least saying like I think that this happens. What 1:06:57.920 --> 1:07:00.240 you're saying that it is correct. But you're saying amongst 1:07:00.240 --> 1:07:02.360 the I don't think that's the music. I think that's 1:07:02.360 --> 1:07:08.479 the undersmellingship. Same cold. These younger I like a little baby. 1:07:08.600 --> 1:07:10.680 I like little baby, little baby, show up. He didn't 1:07:10.680 --> 1:07:12.840 did songs with TI. He did songs for all these 1:07:13.080 --> 1:07:15.240 older guys. And you know one thing, I'll give alan 1:07:15.360 --> 1:07:17.040 cred the younger hearted. They always pay how much to 1:07:17.160 --> 1:07:21.280 Jeez Gucci and they love to the older niggas New 1:07:21.360 --> 1:07:24.840 York niggers. Now they're gonna tell you that They're not 1:07:24.920 --> 1:07:27.440 gonna tell you that do a young New York artists 1:07:27.480 --> 1:07:30.920 show love to older New York niggas. Funk Jest started 1:07:31.320 --> 1:07:34.080 like making niggas do songs with him or doing songs 1:07:34.160 --> 1:07:38.760 doing him like you got something. I'm just saying, Look, 1:07:38.800 --> 1:07:42.520 I'm a t J too. I can tell you that. 1:07:42.880 --> 1:07:44.320 I'm just saying. You know what I'm saying. It's like, 1:07:44.880 --> 1:07:50.720 that's that's why it times back in it again. Young, 1:07:53.280 --> 1:07:56.480 I don't see this was crazy? You know what's crazy? Um? 1:07:57.320 --> 1:08:01.240 I think I said this with Lords of the Underground, 1:08:01.360 --> 1:08:06.680 Is there or it'd be important for the older dudes 1:08:06.760 --> 1:08:12.960 to keep looking good. I don't think that's the I 1:08:13.080 --> 1:08:15.200 think that the old, the middle class and the young 1:08:15.360 --> 1:08:19.000 are on the same rat race. It's one chart and 1:08:19.080 --> 1:08:21.320 we perman rator right Erban radio is one chart right, 1:08:21.400 --> 1:08:24.600 and we're talking about industry and industry because we we 1:08:24.800 --> 1:08:29.280 miss conscrewed culture and industry and there's a cross road. 1:08:29.320 --> 1:08:32.599 But there's two different day so you have to use 1:08:32.680 --> 1:08:38.519 For example, you have t I Le and uh chef 1:08:38.640 --> 1:08:41.240 g all competing for the same spot of Herban Radio, 1:08:41.640 --> 1:08:44.760 which is like different age range. You know, tis his 1:08:44.840 --> 1:08:48.240 age's his age, chefs age. Because there's only one chart, 1:08:48.280 --> 1:08:50.320 it's only one charge. It's not like, oh this is 1:08:50.360 --> 1:08:52.800 the twenty and under charge. This is the understand what 1:08:52.880 --> 1:08:56.880 you say, one charts totality, but overall, I don't think 1:08:56.880 --> 1:08:59.640 we're compete for the same But there's there's different platforms though, 1:08:59.640 --> 1:09:01.479 because as an artist is big on TikTok, where he 1:09:01.560 --> 1:09:05.519 not big on radio. Isn't this powerful radios? Last I'm 1:09:05.520 --> 1:09:08.559 gonna be on the club. We're here in the club 1:09:09.120 --> 1:09:10.840 and the record of break like this is it. Then 1:09:10.880 --> 1:09:13.559 it gets on radio after it's old to us now 1:09:14.200 --> 1:09:16.720 because it's like they're playing they added songs now from 1:09:16.760 --> 1:09:19.439 pop on radio it's like, Bro, that's two years old. 1:09:19.520 --> 1:09:21.439 How is that being added now? That's because they running 1:09:21.439 --> 1:09:23.080 on a song. They just trying to keep him on 1:09:23.200 --> 1:09:25.080 the radio. That they shut you a fifty down with 1:09:25.160 --> 1:09:28.240 the Aces club. What happened with what club? Police? I 1:09:28.320 --> 1:09:31.479 thought you had a club together, you fifty and Aces, 1:09:32.040 --> 1:09:34.320 And then I heard the police said, it's not gonna happen. No, no, no. 1:09:34.400 --> 1:09:38.840 My brother started Lust in Brooklyn. Lust and Brooklyn Lust 1:09:38.880 --> 1:09:41.599 and Brooklyn. We had the club. They the cops kept 1:09:41.840 --> 1:09:43.600 doing nove on wone calls. Come to find out the 1:09:43.680 --> 1:09:48.360 cops were running, uh drugs and gambling around the corner 1:09:48.400 --> 1:09:50.439 in the hotel. So the cops they were trying to 1:09:50.479 --> 1:09:52.120 put that test on us. It was then they got rated. 1:09:52.400 --> 1:09:54.280 They all got fired. It was a whole bunch of ship. 1:09:54.640 --> 1:10:03.360 I went to Beat, I went to We're not gonna 1:10:04.360 --> 1:10:06.000 But it was just crazy that it was always attack 1:10:06.040 --> 1:10:07.880 on us. Bro. But that was a place that I 1:10:07.960 --> 1:10:13.920 felt was like a s ob Sits one of the 1:10:14.000 --> 1:10:16.240 best quality of what I'm saying because a lot of artists, 1:10:16.560 --> 1:10:18.479 a lot of artists came out of there and be honest, 1:10:18.680 --> 1:10:22.840 Boogie Fettie designer, a lot of young and maid Bobby 1:10:22.880 --> 1:10:26.960 Smirt when he first came up, came out. Yeah, it 1:10:27.080 --> 1:10:29.120 was that moment where everything like when Hot Nick came 1:10:29.160 --> 1:10:30.960 on the first time in that club, seeing that reaction, 1:10:31.000 --> 1:10:33.680 it was just it was different from Credible song. It 1:10:33.800 --> 1:10:35.280 was different than the strip club. It was kind of 1:10:35.400 --> 1:10:41.040 like a showcase. Was everybody through their hats. No, yeah, 1:10:41.080 --> 1:10:47.400 that's what I obviously thinking. But I thought up he 1:10:47.479 --> 1:10:50.120 could come home. It was your brody Roddy home. You 1:10:50.200 --> 1:10:52.599 knew we rowdy, you know, I never I never got 1:10:52.640 --> 1:10:55.360 to meet both of them, but huge fans. I noticed 1:10:55.360 --> 1:10:57.439 that if I meet them, I'll just give them them flowers. 1:10:57.800 --> 1:10:59.000 You know, I don't need to be we don't need 1:10:59.040 --> 1:11:02.280 to be friends or anything or whatever. But like I 1:11:02.439 --> 1:11:05.280 just respect that, like they respect each other. I love 1:11:05.360 --> 1:11:08.160 people who work in unity. I love people that stay down. 1:11:08.600 --> 1:11:10.120 You know what I'm saying when I don't know how 1:11:10.160 --> 1:11:11.800 true it is. But when they said that Bobby took 1:11:11.880 --> 1:11:14.080 more time, so that Roddy you know what I'm saying, 1:11:14.240 --> 1:11:15.760 Like you know what I'm saying, Like he could have 1:11:15.800 --> 1:11:17.920 got out earlier, but he took more time because he 1:11:17.960 --> 1:11:20.240 wasn't gonna stitch on this man. To me, there's things 1:11:20.280 --> 1:11:23.280 that just don't happen at often in life, not even 1:11:23.320 --> 1:11:26.559 your first record. You said, I don't folk with nose snitches. 1:11:26.960 --> 1:11:28.439 That's just not my thing. You know what I'm saying. 1:11:28.479 --> 1:11:31.000 It's like I live by the moral code that every 1:11:31.040 --> 1:11:33.320 man should live, you know what I'm saying. They might 1:11:33.360 --> 1:11:35.000 not look the same as all did you do it? 1:11:35.120 --> 1:11:37.479 But I still live about the same for you or whatever, 1:11:37.600 --> 1:11:41.160 and it shouldn't be, but it's not. And we know 1:11:41.280 --> 1:11:44.080 that a simple as that. We'll make you take that 1:11:44.160 --> 1:11:46.320 as prost because you say, like you know, you your 1:11:46.400 --> 1:11:48.920 style and people you was, you know, working at a 1:11:49.000 --> 1:11:51.519 boutique store. But we'll make you still take that same 1:11:51.600 --> 1:11:54.240 morral code as a person that is, you know, sleeping 1:11:54.280 --> 1:11:56.320 crack twenty four something. I mean, I think that at 1:11:56.360 --> 1:11:58.400 the end of the day, man, if I don't have 1:11:58.640 --> 1:12:00.640 me the man to get when I look in the 1:12:00.720 --> 1:12:02.360 mirror in the morning, and I will never have me. 1:12:02.439 --> 1:12:06.840 The artists together that was like the big defining moment 1:12:06.880 --> 1:12:08.840 for me or whatever. It was like, Look, if I 1:12:08.960 --> 1:12:11.439 can't figure out who I am and who I love 1:12:11.560 --> 1:12:14.759 to be, then whatever you think of trind that James, 1:12:15.280 --> 1:12:18.160 that's just gonna die real soon or whatever, because I 1:12:18.320 --> 1:12:20.719 have to know who I am as the man, because 1:12:20.840 --> 1:12:24.000 the man was the man before y'all labeled me. The 1:12:24.080 --> 1:12:27.720 man has Trinda James. Trinda James is a title. But 1:12:27.880 --> 1:12:29.439 I was, like I said, I had a great high 1:12:29.439 --> 1:12:32.560 school career. I was lit in the streets before I 1:12:32.720 --> 1:12:36.719 came into the game. I love the streets that because 1:12:36.800 --> 1:12:38.960 I know how to do business in it. You know 1:12:38.960 --> 1:12:41.160 what I'm saying. I love that. I hate that we're 1:12:41.200 --> 1:12:43.479 in the pandemic. I hate that. But it got me 1:12:43.600 --> 1:12:46.000 back to my old hustles. It got me back to 1:12:46.080 --> 1:12:49.439 my fashion. It got me back to cannabis, and I 1:12:49.680 --> 1:12:52.600 was legal. You know what I'm saying. You know what 1:12:52.640 --> 1:12:55.559 I'm saying that it's a whole different experience than when 1:12:55.560 --> 1:12:56.960 I was trying to make it out here in the 1:12:57.000 --> 1:13:00.479 streets as an immigrant with no green card. Completely different. 1:13:00.640 --> 1:13:02.280 He's yourself with on the shop. Both of y'all know, 1:13:02.520 --> 1:13:11.240 seperate cup, separate cup, separate cup. This guy separate cup 1:13:11.280 --> 1:13:13.840 from the regular drink because I want you to still drink, 1:13:13.920 --> 1:13:16.360 but you have this is a shot cup. You know 1:13:16.439 --> 1:13:18.960 what I mean? That we're over here, baby, Let's do it, 1:13:25.479 --> 1:13:31.320 how y'all Jesus that one hit hard, So what's next? 1:13:31.800 --> 1:13:34.120 So for me, I'm on my business stuff. You know, 1:13:34.200 --> 1:13:37.120 I'm really crazy on black owned businesses. I brought black 1:13:37.200 --> 1:13:42.320 owned food restaurant. Talk to me. Still on complex, still 1:13:42.360 --> 1:13:44.240 with the same complex we got. We're in season nine. 1:13:44.280 --> 1:13:47.479 We don't need a hundred plus episodes full size what 1:13:47.800 --> 1:13:49.880 you did the drive revolt to right, so revolt. I 1:13:49.960 --> 1:13:51.960 was doing the Dad talks where I do affirmation with 1:13:52.040 --> 1:13:55.240 the day. That was incredible, Right, that was incredible. But 1:13:55.560 --> 1:13:58.200 I love that revolt. I love when people give a 1:13:58.280 --> 1:14:01.320 funk about positive stuff because the reality the industry don't 1:14:01.320 --> 1:14:04.599 give a about positive stuff. They want to make negative money, 1:14:04.640 --> 1:14:08.439 negative negative money. That was the best money on earth. 1:14:08.800 --> 1:14:14.639 And ask me telling like mediam negative negative Like it's 1:14:14.680 --> 1:14:18.479 not like, ain't nobody still want? You want to control negative? 1:14:18.520 --> 1:14:22.240 When you control your negatives, when you can train negatives different. 1:14:22.240 --> 1:14:24.000 I just want to talk about taking mollyg because I 1:14:24.040 --> 1:14:26.320 think Molly is a great thing. But you talking about 1:14:26.640 --> 1:14:29.600 but you talk about the mayor, don't talk about you. 1:14:30.200 --> 1:14:32.920 You talk about you taking Molledge. Other man talking about you? It, Yeah, 1:14:33.160 --> 1:14:40.880 it's you gotta relax, talk crazy talt to be doesn't man? 1:14:40.960 --> 1:14:44.760 You correct me apart wrong. I think Molly is fucking fantastic. 1:14:45.280 --> 1:14:47.439 Molly is incredible. I've been done it in a long time. 1:14:47.880 --> 1:14:50.320 That's not something you do every day. It's like weed. Yeah. 1:14:50.720 --> 1:14:53.160 I mean to the person who doesn't every day, power 1:14:53.240 --> 1:14:56.679 to you. No, no, don't you gotta relax. You're different, different. 1:14:57.600 --> 1:15:00.320 There's people that do coke every day. For me, you should, 1:15:00.520 --> 1:15:04.040 you should talk everything. But people that something goes wrong 1:15:04.720 --> 1:15:06.600 give us a cocaine story. So I can't give you 1:15:06.600 --> 1:15:10.200 a cocaine story. Don't do cocaine. That's not my thing. 1:15:10.560 --> 1:15:14.040 Don't do it. I've never never done cocaine. I feel, actually, 1:15:14.200 --> 1:15:19.479 take a shot. Let's take it on the shot cocaine. 1:15:19.640 --> 1:15:27.519 I don't say we have some here, it's cocaine. I 1:15:27.680 --> 1:15:35.040 got it right here. You know, you ever gonna shot cool? Something? 1:15:35.040 --> 1:15:39.200 Little is the best drink. Champ stories in the world. 1:15:41.640 --> 1:15:43.560 Trade that wants and they got shots. But take it 1:15:43.600 --> 1:15:45.360 where you was that? What was that? So? You know 1:15:45.920 --> 1:15:48.280 right now, where I'm at with it is we're in 1:15:48.320 --> 1:15:51.280 a We're in a pandemic. You know, if anybody looking 1:15:51.320 --> 1:15:54.080 at this, whether it's twenty years from now, two years 1:15:54.120 --> 1:15:56.840 from now, we're in the pandemic, and the only people 1:15:56.880 --> 1:15:58.920 that's going to make money, the only people that's going 1:15:58.960 --> 1:16:01.240 to be happy with themselves, people that's adapting to what's 1:16:01.240 --> 1:16:03.439 going on. You can't do no shows right now. I 1:16:03.520 --> 1:16:05.639 just I dropped the album. And my album is incredible 1:16:05.680 --> 1:16:08.679 that I dropped. I dropped in August. It's called Black Filter. 1:16:09.160 --> 1:16:10.439 You know what I'm saying. For people who don't know, 1:16:10.880 --> 1:16:13.720 check it out. I know that it's fired, you know, 1:16:13.880 --> 1:16:16.800 but you know I did twelve videos out of thirteen songs. 1:16:16.960 --> 1:16:19.160 You know how hard it is to videos independently at 1:16:19.200 --> 1:16:21.560 your own pocket. It is what it is. But I 1:16:21.640 --> 1:16:23.640 put that work in. But at the end of the day, 1:16:23.680 --> 1:16:25.080 we can't do no shows. And you know, the show 1:16:25.160 --> 1:16:27.200 is what makes us lit. The shows what really bring 1:16:27.320 --> 1:16:28.800 us in that back end, that brings us in the 1:16:28.880 --> 1:16:30.400 front end, that really bring us in the money to 1:16:30.479 --> 1:16:32.640 keep going or whatever. So at the end of the day, 1:16:32.640 --> 1:16:34.400 we're in the pandemic. I know, I just had to 1:16:34.439 --> 1:16:36.639 figure it out, like I gotta adjust because once again, 1:16:36.720 --> 1:16:40.120 I still don't have no big homies. I'm still I'm 1:16:40.160 --> 1:16:43.320 my big homie. I'm everybody else's big homie. That's the 1:16:43.360 --> 1:16:47.320 truth world piece. That's my big that's my big homie. 1:16:48.560 --> 1:16:52.160 That's what you got together. So he does his own 1:16:52.560 --> 1:16:54.680 He's doing his own basketball league, and I'm helping him 1:16:54.720 --> 1:16:57.920 with it. You know, he's a very very smart brother. 1:16:58.280 --> 1:17:00.639 You know. His basketball league is to help everybody because 1:17:00.640 --> 1:17:03.120 you know, the NBA is the NBA, right, but just 1:17:03.200 --> 1:17:04.479 because you don't make it the NBA, and I don't 1:17:04.479 --> 1:17:06.559 mean if you're not a good basketball player, that don't 1:17:06.560 --> 1:17:08.400 mean that you can't make money for playing basketball leading. 1:17:08.600 --> 1:17:12.000 So he's building the league to bring that concept to 1:17:12.120 --> 1:17:15.720 players who you know, you're the truth, but you might 1:17:15.800 --> 1:17:17.840 not can't get into the league and still be able 1:17:17.880 --> 1:17:21.320 to find runs to play in to get scouts to 1:17:21.360 --> 1:17:23.000 come out and look at you. We also got that 1:17:23.120 --> 1:17:27.840 league too. We just had a smooth champs all of 1:17:27.880 --> 1:17:32.560 the out. Listen, listen, did you see right? And you 1:17:32.800 --> 1:17:40.960 mosted to know he know academics that had no choice, 1:17:41.000 --> 1:17:48.320 but by the way we was. We also interview Tory 1:17:48.400 --> 1:17:51.479 Lanes when he first had the surgery, when he first 1:17:51.520 --> 1:17:54.360 had y'all me when it right? Did he admit that 1:17:54.360 --> 1:17:57.600 I don't want to remember he was. I feel that 1:17:57.720 --> 1:18:00.719 he was like Tories, like bro, that's a gotta understand 1:18:00.760 --> 1:18:03.439 for it, and we're men here talking you know, and 1:18:03.760 --> 1:18:05.800 want it. No great hands. My ball paid on me 1:18:05.880 --> 1:18:12.080 every time he came here. When he lives that hair 1:18:12.240 --> 1:18:14.160 or like your hairline is not right, and when you're 1:18:14.160 --> 1:18:16.920 not as a man, that funks with your ego. It 1:18:17.040 --> 1:18:19.080 does no matter what the type of man you are. 1:18:19.120 --> 1:18:21.000 So the fact that he was able to find what 1:18:21.160 --> 1:18:24.040 helps him be a better man. Once again, if you're 1:18:24.080 --> 1:18:26.280 the man or right you the artist would be great. Yeah, 1:18:26.360 --> 1:18:28.400 he like twenty nine, like under the thirties, so like 1:18:28.479 --> 1:18:33.920 it might be fucking ju human like takeing sign out there. 1:18:40.080 --> 1:18:53.760 It's different different differently. It's the holy and this one 1:18:53.840 --> 1:18:56.400 was crazy. Anybody who was doing you got to take 1:18:56.439 --> 1:19:00.920 his hat off, could go sign my story. By the way, 1:19:01.880 --> 1:19:03.559 we didn't. Things are gonna come. We had a whole 1:19:03.640 --> 1:19:06.200 weekend playing Smoke Chace Week and Smoke Chats podcast. So 1:19:06.280 --> 1:19:10.639 Friday we had hamball, handball, real handball? Are you really 1:19:10.760 --> 1:19:21.519 good at hand? This ship a right? Listen, I get 1:19:21.640 --> 1:19:23.439 back to that. Get somebody trying to still my idea. 1:19:25.400 --> 1:19:29.479 On Friday had handball. On Saturday we had basketball. Now 1:19:31.080 --> 1:19:34.760 I was injured on Friday. Somebody injured me because they 1:19:34.840 --> 1:19:36.360 knew what I was going to do on Saturday, and 1:19:36.400 --> 1:19:38.800 I feel like it was him, even though he was 1:19:38.880 --> 1:19:46.800 nowhere around heah yeah, look at that. So this Saturday 1:19:47.000 --> 1:19:52.479 and then like mind you, I'm like, you know, I'm 1:19:52.560 --> 1:19:54.479 not thinking too are we're gonna come through? But I 1:19:54.520 --> 1:19:56.800 think he's gonna come through. I know, you know what 1:19:56.920 --> 1:19:59.880 everything that's going on. He knows the camera's gonna be 1:20:00.000 --> 1:20:04.040 he did to him. I don't know what you mean 1:20:04.160 --> 1:20:09.120 right now, he's the code. You know, the camera's gonna 1:20:09.160 --> 1:20:11.400 be an So I'm not you know that the homeline 1:20:12.200 --> 1:20:16.240 he pulls up, give him a shirt, so I don't 1:20:16.280 --> 1:20:19.960 really realize what's going on. He jumped on the court 1:20:20.520 --> 1:20:26.200 and now everybody like, yo, y'all they clear his hand 1:20:26.280 --> 1:20:28.719 like that. I didn't know what they were talking about, 1:20:29.600 --> 1:20:32.040 and I'm alright, cool. You know, the thought it was 1:20:32.080 --> 1:20:34.840 a different dude. You know, y'all think they're artistic because 1:20:34.920 --> 1:20:44.760 in there they're artistic. Somebody's guys artistic. He's artistic. He's autistic. Autistic. 1:20:49.479 --> 1:20:52.200 Like twenty minutes later, as were there in the shade 1:20:52.280 --> 1:20:55.840 room posted it as weird there and I looked and 1:20:55.960 --> 1:20:59.000 the comments just like, look at it's George Jefferson, and 1:20:59.080 --> 1:21:01.360 I was like, oh, they disrespectful. You don't remember Jorge 1:21:01.400 --> 1:21:04.479 it you know what we know. But Tore gets the jokes. 1:21:04.720 --> 1:21:07.160 He has it happened. I mean, he knew and he 1:21:07.240 --> 1:21:09.400 don't give it that. He don't have a person to 1:21:09.479 --> 1:21:12.479 do something like that on purpose, because he is in 1:21:12.560 --> 1:21:14.719 control of his negative. To go back to what you're saying, 1:21:15.280 --> 1:21:17.439 he's in control of his negative. Ever, for the time, 1:21:17.520 --> 1:21:20.320 he wasn't in control your negatives time in the beginning, 1:21:20.360 --> 1:21:23.200 like people wouldn't like you one of your situation. I 1:21:23.280 --> 1:21:28.160 wasn't controlling my negative. I wasn't would if I knew better, 1:21:29.040 --> 1:21:30.880 I would know to like no, no, no, no, no, 1:21:30.920 --> 1:21:33.040 no no, I'm going to pull up on somebody in 1:21:33.080 --> 1:21:35.320 New York. I actually stopped coming to New York for 1:21:35.400 --> 1:21:38.880 two years because I felt like prior to that, the 1:21:38.960 --> 1:21:45.679 whole New York was working with me hard. I didn't 1:21:45.680 --> 1:21:49.880 Santo Santo the Playhouse. Shout out to my girl, Lola Santos, 1:21:49.920 --> 1:21:55.120 that's the lect acoustic place. It was crazy or whatever 1:21:55.360 --> 1:21:59.320 me cool. We shut that place down. That was definitely Santace. 1:22:00.080 --> 1:22:03.280 So you know, I don't want to make it exact. 1:22:03.560 --> 1:22:05.040 I wouldn't make this up. I don't have to make 1:22:05.080 --> 1:22:08.040 things up. I don't live in that world. Exaggeration, go ahead, 1:22:08.080 --> 1:22:11.560 don't you know? So you know, as far as not 1:22:11.680 --> 1:22:15.559 being in control of my negative if, like I said, 1:22:15.880 --> 1:22:18.600 if I had a big homie or somebody at the 1:22:18.680 --> 1:22:21.000 time to be like, hey, bro, look you're saying what 1:22:21.080 --> 1:22:23.920 you said. You meant what you said, but you didn't 1:22:23.960 --> 1:22:26.840 deliver the right way. Go clean that up, go make 1:22:26.920 --> 1:22:29.400 that right or whatever I said. Man, I just felt 1:22:29.439 --> 1:22:31.880 like New York portrayed me. I just left New York 1:22:31.880 --> 1:22:33.280 alone for two years and I ain't come for two 1:22:33.360 --> 1:22:36.560 years because people who I was cool with and like 1:22:36.720 --> 1:22:43.639 showed when I get yeah no the New York comments, 1:22:44.160 --> 1:22:48.320 so you know he's talking about it. In December, I 1:22:48.400 --> 1:22:53.160 did a show um for a Converse right, and coming 1:22:53.240 --> 1:22:56.559 into the show, I felt the type of way towards 1:22:57.040 --> 1:22:59.560 the business that was going on in my life. And 1:22:59.680 --> 1:23:02.320 so every time I do a song between my intermission, 1:23:02.520 --> 1:23:06.280 I'll just start talking, talking or whatever. Everything I was 1:23:06.360 --> 1:23:10.840 saying what's true from the standpoint of I felt that 1:23:11.080 --> 1:23:14.800 New York needs to support New York. Hard is more money, Yes, 1:23:15.920 --> 1:23:18.400 But I wasn't the person to say that I wouldn't 1:23:18.400 --> 1:23:21.200 the person was supposed to said that, I've never lived 1:23:21.240 --> 1:23:23.920 like you're from New York. Know, that's what people say, 1:23:23.960 --> 1:23:28.240 That's what people said. For me, I'm saying the truth 1:23:28.600 --> 1:23:31.720 because I only know the truth. If I'm on tour 1:23:31.880 --> 1:23:34.000 with all the ASTAT crew and all these people, and 1:23:34.600 --> 1:23:38.720 and everybody's complaining about how New York Radio New York 1:23:38.800 --> 1:23:41.840 DJs treat them, I'm like, damn, these dudes hard as fuck. 1:23:42.120 --> 1:23:44.120 These dudes are dope. We just did a whole tour together. 1:23:44.439 --> 1:23:47.679 I know these brothers are dope. I know that they're amazing. 1:23:48.280 --> 1:23:51.559 I love their show. They're great. Y'all need to get better. 1:23:52.400 --> 1:23:54.519 And the person that you always challenge if you want 1:23:54.560 --> 1:23:56.800 to make a change is to people. It's power to 1:23:56.880 --> 1:23:59.880 the people is the consumer. The consumers who always going 1:23:59.920 --> 1:24:02.240 to make the biggest difference. If the label counts you out. 1:24:02.479 --> 1:24:05.160 If you look at Sure, if you look at if 1:24:05.200 --> 1:24:07.200 you look at Shaggy Shaggy, if you look at the 1:24:07.200 --> 1:24:09.800 story of Shaggy and it wasn't what is the story 1:24:09.840 --> 1:24:15.320 of shaky Man? No, no, no, A great, great story. 1:24:15.360 --> 1:24:20.920 But I can't do that, sty I'm gonna use that. Yeah. 1:24:21.160 --> 1:24:27.960 Cheers it's gonna be nice what you're doing. That cocaine 1:24:32.320 --> 1:24:35.160 let me. I went to con and I was let 1:24:36.600 --> 1:24:41.240 and this is gonna happen. This, it's gonna happen. This 1:24:41.360 --> 1:24:55.000 a little bit farewell for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everybody 1:24:56.160 --> 1:24:59.599 shot guys. So you know, it's one of those type 1:24:59.640 --> 1:25:02.559 of things where I learned my lesson. I learned my lesson. 1:25:03.280 --> 1:25:08.400 I can't help. But two, I felt that I and 1:25:08.920 --> 1:25:10.840 I looked at my power, maybe the wrong way, but 1:25:10.920 --> 1:25:12.519 I looked at the power that I had would all 1:25:12.560 --> 1:25:15.720 go everything, but that I need to speak up for them. 1:25:17.600 --> 1:25:19.840 And obviously I didn't think it was gonna be taken away. 1:25:19.840 --> 1:25:21.880 They was taken but when I look back at it, 1:25:22.640 --> 1:25:26.000 it wasn't right. Let me ask you something, Right, it's 1:25:26.040 --> 1:25:28.880 been a time right when I had to flag and 1:25:28.960 --> 1:25:31.920 I gave people the flag, and then I realized when 1:25:31.920 --> 1:25:35.000 they had to flag, they at anyone look at me. 1:25:35.800 --> 1:25:38.280 You ever went through that, meaning like when you had 1:25:38.560 --> 1:25:41.600 the biggest stage and you're life, you gave somebody or 1:25:41.720 --> 1:25:44.000 you shared that stage with somebody. Has it ever been 1:25:44.000 --> 1:25:47.200 a time when that same person had that time in 1:25:47.320 --> 1:25:49.840 their life? Oh? I love that question because they can 1:25:49.920 --> 1:25:51.599 ti U back to what we're talking about with Young Thug. 1:25:51.880 --> 1:25:54.519 That's why I love Young Thug. And if I wasn't 1:25:54.560 --> 1:25:56.960 to make it till tomorrow, Young Thug got to know 1:25:57.680 --> 1:25:59.920 that he's the realist person that I ever dealt with, 1:26:00.000 --> 1:26:02.400 because remember showing him that love. Like I told you 1:26:02.439 --> 1:26:06.960 about Boom when it was a time when I came 1:26:07.040 --> 1:26:09.840 to his show in l A maybe three years ago. 1:26:09.920 --> 1:26:13.240 Somebody that two years ago, I don't know, and um, 1:26:13.600 --> 1:26:15.760 you know I'm there. I'm supporting. I love him. He's crazy. 1:26:15.760 --> 1:26:17.720 He's one of the best artists on the earth to me, 1:26:18.520 --> 1:26:21.439 you know. And you know I'm supporting him as love 1:26:21.560 --> 1:26:23.639 or whatever, like I bought him stuff for his birthday 1:26:24.000 --> 1:26:27.160 or whatever. I love his sisters, I love the family. 1:26:27.240 --> 1:26:29.240 I love his mom. I'm cool with his mama. You 1:26:29.280 --> 1:26:31.120 know what I'm saying this love like I got the 1:26:31.280 --> 1:26:34.559 utmost respect dude, Gunna, all these people like I've known 1:26:34.640 --> 1:26:37.160 Gunna before Gunna was part of YL. I knew him 1:26:37.160 --> 1:26:39.280 when he was coming up and trying to figure it out, 1:26:39.479 --> 1:26:41.479 you know what I'm saying, Like coming to fly Kicks, 1:26:41.800 --> 1:26:44.719 which was a dope store in a land off Peter Street. Whatever, 1:26:44.760 --> 1:26:46.720 I've seen these people come up, you know what I'm saying. 1:26:46.760 --> 1:26:49.360 So like when they make it to me, that gets 1:26:49.400 --> 1:26:53.800 me fucking excited because that's what I care about. I 1:26:53.840 --> 1:26:58.760 don't care about being the best nigga. I'm an immigrant 1:26:59.560 --> 1:27:02.200 from the Thug showed you love back so boom, he's 1:27:02.240 --> 1:27:04.720 doing the show or whatever, Like I'm there for a 1:27:04.800 --> 1:27:06.280 long time. You know, when you come to somebody to show, 1:27:06.320 --> 1:27:08.200 you might come too early and he don't go on 1:27:08.320 --> 1:27:10.120 to he ready to go on, and you don't be 1:27:10.160 --> 1:27:16.479 in there. You've seen every opening and act, right, I'm 1:27:16.479 --> 1:27:26.320 not saying everybody security things security. He's so boom, you 1:27:26.400 --> 1:27:28.640 know he's performing whatever. I was like, you know what 1:27:28.880 --> 1:27:31.559 I've seen because I've been to numerous Young Thug shows. 1:27:31.800 --> 1:27:34.280 I've seen the show. You know, boom. I appreciate it. 1:27:34.479 --> 1:27:36.920 I got things to do. I leave out, I leave 1:27:37.000 --> 1:27:39.920 the show. I wouldn't getting to leave. Somebody run out like, 1:27:40.080 --> 1:27:43.320 hey bro, young thug, I want you to come before 1:27:44.240 --> 1:27:47.160 or whatever, so we gotta run back in. Boom boo 1:27:47.200 --> 1:27:49.320 boo boom. And he brings me out to perform in 1:27:49.360 --> 1:27:51.519 front of his l a crowd, which at the time 1:27:51.640 --> 1:27:54.840 was a big deal. According to what project was, it 1:27:55.000 --> 1:27:57.400 was no No, it was amazing, you know, and it's 1:27:57.479 --> 1:28:01.000 just things like that. To me, that's the really ship 1:28:01.040 --> 1:28:04.320 that ever happened. That's the that's like, that's the real questions. 1:28:05.960 --> 1:28:08.519 But is that is that one of the only people 1:28:08.600 --> 1:28:10.680 that you show love or is there other people that 1:28:10.760 --> 1:28:13.400 showed you love that after a time because they're like 1:28:13.520 --> 1:28:15.880 listen and reggae, don't let me stop. You may not 1:28:15.920 --> 1:28:19.679 even go there, Go ahead, go there, man, but there 1:28:19.720 --> 1:28:24.000 already show love too that when they had that same chance, 1:28:24.040 --> 1:28:25.519 they didn't show a love to be bad. There's a 1:28:25.560 --> 1:28:27.519 lot of people in WRAP that did the same chance. 1:28:27.680 --> 1:28:29.760 I mean, I can't say it wrap, this wrap I 1:28:29.840 --> 1:28:32.600 circled around too many times, but I wouldn't need to 1:28:32.600 --> 1:28:35.360 ask you. Is there anybody that, like you, showed super 1:28:35.400 --> 1:28:37.360 love to it and you was disappointed to when it 1:28:37.439 --> 1:28:40.680 came time for you to receive that reciprocal love that 1:28:40.760 --> 1:28:43.800 your forty acres in your mule for lack of the 1:28:43.840 --> 1:28:46.760 pre term, well, I don't look at it as the 1:28:46.840 --> 1:28:48.760 forty acres in the mule. I look at it as 1:28:48.840 --> 1:28:51.559 as a mutual respect, you know, to be reciprocated. Right 1:28:51.560 --> 1:28:56.560 now on the record, no, t I know, are you 1:28:56.680 --> 1:29:00.320 sure to change. I haven't asked, but you don't know. 1:29:00.520 --> 1:29:04.479 Don't say no for sure? Maybe they would. I love 1:29:04.560 --> 1:29:12.320 that energy. I love the energy. Look like, I don't 1:29:12.320 --> 1:29:16.080 want you to just shut it out because that you 1:29:16.120 --> 1:29:17.880 don't want to be told no, so you'd rather just 1:29:18.000 --> 1:29:20.360 not asked. I don't. I don't like that. I don't 1:29:20.360 --> 1:29:23.720 like the answer now because if I say yes to you, 1:29:24.200 --> 1:29:28.040 it's so one hundred and ten thousand percent, And it's 1:29:28.080 --> 1:29:31.040 not just I'm saying yesterday. I'm nobody yes man that 1:29:31.160 --> 1:29:33.080 if I ask you for something, I'm not trying to 1:29:33.160 --> 1:29:35.400 come up off for your frame or whoever you are. 1:29:35.920 --> 1:29:40.559 I'm literally I love music. I'm an incredible producer of records. 1:29:40.600 --> 1:29:42.320 That's why I do really good in the writing world. 1:29:42.760 --> 1:29:44.040 You know what I'm saying. I got a number one 1:29:44.200 --> 1:29:46.920 last year with Queen Nigel writing records. You know what 1:29:46.960 --> 1:29:51.160 I'm saying. It's like, I love music. I love making 1:29:51.240 --> 1:29:53.800 people be better. Like I said, my background is being 1:29:53.800 --> 1:29:56.479 a stylist. What does the stylish job to make you 1:29:56.560 --> 1:30:00.640 feel better about yourself going out? So that's my background. 1:30:01.200 --> 1:30:04.320 So if I asked you to do something, dog, I'm 1:30:04.840 --> 1:30:08.080 a grown ass man, I'm actually something because it's goned. 1:30:08.600 --> 1:30:10.519 Somebody you asked to do something, they didn't do it. 1:30:10.600 --> 1:30:13.839 So I'm sorry to ask your question. I feel like August, 1:30:13.840 --> 1:30:17.200 I've seen it off top off top. I'm gonna go 1:30:17.280 --> 1:30:21.439 there because I felt that, and I understand why it 1:30:21.520 --> 1:30:24.360 went that way. This before the entanglement. This is before 1:30:24.360 --> 1:30:28.599 the entagle Man, This before the entagle, This before the entacle. 1:30:29.120 --> 1:30:30.960 You know what I'm saying, Like, if we're gonna if 1:30:31.000 --> 1:30:33.680 we're gonna go there, we gotta go there. You know 1:30:33.720 --> 1:30:37.720 what I'm saying. I seen him. I feel like I 1:30:37.960 --> 1:30:41.240 was what happened when it was time to come back around. 1:30:41.720 --> 1:30:45.120 I felt that the industry captivated them and it really 1:30:45.200 --> 1:30:48.200 hurt that brother, and that that affected the way that 1:30:48.240 --> 1:30:51.080 they treated somebody who was actually genuine with him because 1:30:51.080 --> 1:30:53.519 he couldn't trust somebody. But you say this is after 1:30:53.640 --> 1:30:58.680 because after all, right, like the pole juice, right, do 1:30:58.720 --> 1:31:00.880 you get dryed? Anybody get dropped from Labory? You got 1:31:00.920 --> 1:31:03.840 the Poople juice. It wasn't the time you had the 1:31:03.840 --> 1:31:07.439 Poople juice, because that's like two thousand juice. Yeah, I 1:31:07.560 --> 1:31:09.479 understand where it's coming from. So let me give you 1:31:09.920 --> 1:31:18.240 the companies. Let me now, let me get you. I tweeted, 1:31:18.560 --> 1:31:22.559 I tweeted to people or whatever that boom boom. People think, definitely, 1:31:22.560 --> 1:31:25.640 I've never dropped me. They never dropped me. That's the 1:31:25.800 --> 1:31:29.200 fact that people love Nike and Jeff jampor Temina. They 1:31:29.280 --> 1:31:32.000 dropped me. I would love a niked death genera temen 1:31:32.000 --> 1:31:37.680 they dropped I would love it. The actual reality of 1:31:37.760 --> 1:31:43.439 the situation is that I requested from and it took 1:31:43.479 --> 1:31:46.080 two years for them to be like, all right, we'll 1:31:46.160 --> 1:31:48.640 let you go. I requested to be let go of 1:31:48.760 --> 1:31:51.320 the label, to be let off the label because nobody 1:31:51.439 --> 1:31:55.439 was there for me. Period. Nobody has never been there 1:31:55.560 --> 1:31:58.160 for me. I had to be there for me, which 1:31:58.160 --> 1:32:01.080 I'm not complaining about because right now, in this very moment, 1:32:01.680 --> 1:32:04.320 I'm there for me. And that's what it's about. Like 1:32:04.479 --> 1:32:07.880 Kanye never helped out, Kanye reached out. Can you reached out? 1:32:07.880 --> 1:32:11.799 I remember Kanye reached out. Can you reached out? Or whatever? 1:32:11.920 --> 1:32:15.080 But I just feel that I do you see thinking 1:32:15.160 --> 1:32:17.240 people you still think about it, like, bro, I respect you. 1:32:17.360 --> 1:32:20.880 You You're Nori to me. I respect you, but if 1:32:20.960 --> 1:32:24.320 the way that you approached me is not respectable, then 1:32:24.360 --> 1:32:26.120 I ain't gonna deal with you. Bro, what you mean? 1:32:26.200 --> 1:32:29.200 So Kanye came, So Kanye, Kanye reached out through his 1:32:29.320 --> 1:32:32.599 man's who is my man's to do something? I want 1:32:34.000 --> 1:32:39.160 my man's right, And the way that he reached out 1:32:39.280 --> 1:32:41.920 for me to do something for him, I felt like 1:32:42.000 --> 1:32:44.439 he didn't care about me. I got tired and I 1:32:44.520 --> 1:32:46.680 already went through this with t I. I went through 1:32:46.720 --> 1:32:49.560 this with je Z where I felt like these o 1:32:49.760 --> 1:32:52.519 g s because to me, I'm from Atlanta, Bro, these 1:32:52.520 --> 1:32:54.880 are o gs. To me, You're not a hot rapper. 1:32:55.000 --> 1:32:57.640 To me, you're O G who's a legend you up 1:32:57.680 --> 1:33:00.400 there with? You know how I look at Andre, how 1:33:00.520 --> 1:33:02.559 I look at Big Boy, how I look at Cel, 1:33:03.160 --> 1:33:06.120 you know how I look at Dungeon family. So it's like, Bro, 1:33:07.160 --> 1:33:10.559 these people always gave me knowledge. Like the first thing 1:33:10.600 --> 1:33:13.040 I asked Andre, he did say no to it, but 1:33:13.160 --> 1:33:15.280 he still gave me knowledge that made me a better artist. 1:33:16.320 --> 1:33:18.640 You see what I'm saying. And I couldn't get that 1:33:18.760 --> 1:33:21.640 from them. And maybe that's not how their parents but 1:33:22.000 --> 1:33:25.240 even maybe that's not how their parenting skills go or whatever, 1:33:25.560 --> 1:33:27.040 you know what I'm saying. But I'm still a young 1:33:27.120 --> 1:33:29.680 brother trying to figure it out. And they knew that. 1:33:30.400 --> 1:33:33.439 They knew that. If you talk huh, we're talking about 1:33:33.479 --> 1:33:35.479 we're talking about all those people. We're talking about the 1:33:36.000 --> 1:33:39.560 the t S, the j Zys, these people. Uh that 1:33:39.920 --> 1:33:43.280 for my past. We're a great place for us in 1:33:43.439 --> 1:33:47.400 New York. We were. We think that they're not. We 1:33:47.479 --> 1:33:50.759 look at y'all like y'all old, get along everybody new artists. 1:33:50.840 --> 1:33:53.120 You've got the biggest bro record of the world, the 1:33:53.280 --> 1:33:58.560 all co tiing you spinking said that. He said it 1:33:58.640 --> 1:34:01.280 earlier where it's the mean where it's like Atlanta artists 1:34:01.680 --> 1:34:04.000 spot I didn't get together. I'm gonna tell you this, 1:34:04.320 --> 1:34:07.080 And if I'm wrong, you know, you don't figure listening 1:34:07.920 --> 1:34:11.479 I Land for or whatever. That's not true, bro. You 1:34:11.560 --> 1:34:15.839 know everybody's true city. That's that bullship. It's not that's 1:34:15.880 --> 1:34:19.960 really bullshit. That's really how ship from New York class. 1:34:20.200 --> 1:34:23.519 How we're doing. Reason why the me was made it 1:34:23.560 --> 1:34:26.040 is because people see don't because you But if you 1:34:26.200 --> 1:34:28.280 really know people like look at the niggas over there, 1:34:29.360 --> 1:34:32.520 it's like father Land the niggas on one song. Yility, 1:34:33.160 --> 1:34:37.760 opportunity and support is two different things. My brother's opportunity 1:34:37.840 --> 1:34:40.160 and supports to that maybe, but I can make you 1:34:41.520 --> 1:34:44.960 my nigga, you gotta come do my if you if 1:34:45.040 --> 1:34:47.920 I can make you w let then you have to 1:34:48.000 --> 1:34:56.280 do my remix my nigga respectfully, respecting respectfully. You know 1:34:56.320 --> 1:34:59.880 what I'm saying, and that and that's got a little shot. 1:35:00.040 --> 1:35:04.320 That's just what I'm saying straight up. But I mean, 1:35:04.520 --> 1:35:06.680 you know where we're at now. You know those are 1:35:06.680 --> 1:35:08.519 all lessons. You know, we're talking about the past. And 1:35:08.560 --> 1:35:10.960 I'm a person to be honest with Snory. I don't 1:35:11.080 --> 1:35:13.000 live in the past. I don't think about the past. 1:35:13.200 --> 1:35:15.040 So my success on the plaques that I got in 1:35:15.120 --> 1:35:17.960 my crib, you know that, I don't even they're not 1:35:18.000 --> 1:35:20.240 even put up on the wall because I don't live 1:35:20.280 --> 1:35:23.720 for that. What can I do? New? You know what 1:35:23.800 --> 1:35:25.800 I'm saying where I'm at now, I want you to 1:35:25.840 --> 1:35:28.880 put them blacks up? Why the blacks up? Because you 1:35:28.960 --> 1:35:31.160 gotta know how I feel, you how dope. It feels 1:35:31.680 --> 1:35:34.360 like when I walk around my crib. Excuse me, I 1:35:34.439 --> 1:35:36.760 don't even have them inside my crib. I have them 1:35:37.040 --> 1:35:42.640 on Mike. What's that ship called the four year? You 1:35:42.680 --> 1:35:48.200 know this is a little like but it just makes 1:35:48.240 --> 1:35:51.640 me feel good because I don't know, I just like it. 1:35:52.160 --> 1:35:54.639 I like it. You gotta understand that you have confidence 1:35:54.680 --> 1:35:57.599 some ship. Sometimes you put your accomplishments to the side 1:35:57.640 --> 1:36:00.360 because you're always thinking about the future. But us think 1:36:00.400 --> 1:36:03.800 about what you did to get here. Never not never, 1:36:03.960 --> 1:36:06.920 just lever down, play it. You got to get here 1:36:07.520 --> 1:36:09.400 because you're like, I'm the journey so that you can 1:36:09.439 --> 1:36:13.639 see the future. Yeah. Yeah, the journey is super important 1:36:13.640 --> 1:36:15.280 to me, and and it lives in my mind and 1:36:15.360 --> 1:36:17.640 I know it. But like I said, I really like 1:36:17.720 --> 1:36:19.600 I said right now, with all these people in my 1:36:19.760 --> 1:36:22.000 personal opinion, like we were just all together not too 1:36:22.040 --> 1:36:24.280 long ago, referring to like these two chains, and you know, 1:36:24.320 --> 1:36:27.240 I see cheesy from time to time. Like my respect 1:36:27.320 --> 1:36:30.240 for these people they don't change, but how they treated me. 1:36:30.360 --> 1:36:32.160 I just didn't appreciate it at the time because I 1:36:32.200 --> 1:36:34.880 didn't understand what was going on in the game. And 1:36:35.040 --> 1:36:36.760 I was like, you know, what I'm saying is like, 1:36:36.920 --> 1:36:39.879 when you're a rookie, you're gonna make rookie rookie mistakes. 1:36:41.080 --> 1:36:46.280 You it was was high school freshman, it was the 1:36:46.280 --> 1:36:51.599 freshman in high school. You really yeah, but listen, we're 1:36:51.600 --> 1:37:00.840 gonna salute your careers. So that's wanted to say that. Man, 1:37:01.120 --> 1:37:06.000 I think I think you've understood the energy, or maybe 1:37:06.160 --> 1:37:09.360 I could be wrong, but hopefully I am right. I 1:37:09.400 --> 1:37:12.760 don't think you've mis understood the energy. And I think 1:37:12.840 --> 1:37:16.240 that it was exactly how you interpreted. You went back 1:37:16.280 --> 1:37:19.040 to high school and there were certain people, and you 1:37:19.120 --> 1:37:20.600 know what, he was a freshman at that time, so 1:37:20.680 --> 1:37:23.080 maybe he wasn't as cool as a freshman as he 1:37:23.200 --> 1:37:27.800 was that man. College is now you're a freshman and 1:37:27.920 --> 1:37:30.479 the senior is trying to prove. I think it's start 1:37:30.880 --> 1:37:32.519 and I think that's what it was, because I think 1:37:32.600 --> 1:37:35.200 your city is to ask you great city was one 1:37:35.240 --> 1:37:38.519 of the right first cities I came to, and it 1:37:38.720 --> 1:37:42.560 just it was just black excellence, like black excellences. No, 1:37:42.720 --> 1:37:46.000 it definitely is. Don't get a mistaken. It definitely is. 1:37:46.280 --> 1:37:50.960 And every no matter if you're doing music that you know, 1:37:51.320 --> 1:37:53.720 helps us push forward. What I told you, what's the 1:37:53.800 --> 1:37:56.920 top of my paramn hip hop rap? So whatever it 1:37:57.040 --> 1:38:00.160 takes to get us there, from the playboard card, the 1:38:00.200 --> 1:38:04.120 little yachties who are the mccona's, everybody is important. Even 1:38:04.160 --> 1:38:07.200 if you got one hit that helps us stay number one. 1:38:08.360 --> 1:38:11.560 And that's and That's what matters to me. So you know, 1:38:11.640 --> 1:38:15.880 that's why I got into writing music. Now, I write 1:38:15.920 --> 1:38:19.040 for people. I only I only work for I only 1:38:19.120 --> 1:38:22.280 work with women. Women, you know what I'm saying. Because men, 1:38:22.520 --> 1:38:24.920 you know, we have this weird ego, you know, and 1:38:25.000 --> 1:38:26.920 I don't live with ego. My egos at the door 1:38:27.080 --> 1:38:29.000 right now, at this table. My ego is at the 1:38:29.040 --> 1:38:31.200 door behind me because I don't have to have an 1:38:31.240 --> 1:38:32.920 ego in order to have a good conversation with you. 1:38:33.840 --> 1:38:35.720 That don't prove important to me every person that has 1:38:35.760 --> 1:38:38.519 ever came in contact with me. What you're gonna say 1:38:38.560 --> 1:38:43.000 about me, I'm always me. That might offend you when 1:38:43.080 --> 1:38:47.000 you're away from me, but in my face here I'm 1:38:47.040 --> 1:38:49.600 here to respect you. I just want to respect reciprocating, 1:38:50.200 --> 1:38:52.120 and we know how that works. Has grown as men, 1:38:52.640 --> 1:38:54.519 you know, and so like you know, all in all 1:38:54.800 --> 1:38:56.559 to end out, because I know we're about to close out. 1:38:56.840 --> 1:38:59.920 You know. I appreciate every play that I'm able to make, 1:39:00.960 --> 1:39:02.920 you know, and I appreciate you bring me on drink Champs. 1:39:03.160 --> 1:39:08.000 I appreciate you, appreciate you dream. I appreciate opening and 1:39:08.120 --> 1:39:11.400 showing us the side of you. You know, we truly 1:39:11.439 --> 1:39:15.240 appreciate that because it's like, don't limit yourself. I'm never 1:39:15.320 --> 1:39:17.840 gonna limit myself. I'm gonna always be doing something where 1:39:17.880 --> 1:39:21.080 it's like damn, there he go or whatever, because it's 1:39:21.160 --> 1:39:24.559 bigger than just doing music. I love music, because music 1:39:24.680 --> 1:39:26.559 is one of the most incredible things that you could 1:39:26.600 --> 1:39:29.400 ever get a talent there. Still, it's just a vehicle, 1:39:30.439 --> 1:39:33.519 it's not a house. It's likely supposed to take music 1:39:33.640 --> 1:39:37.639 to exactly you know. And and if it's the last 1:39:37.680 --> 1:39:39.439 thing I got I must say before I get out 1:39:39.479 --> 1:39:42.120 of here is make sure that you support black owned businesses. 1:39:42.200 --> 1:39:44.519 Let's talk about please. You know what I'm saying, like 1:39:44.680 --> 1:39:47.519 shout out was the fool you bro? So you know 1:39:47.800 --> 1:39:51.479 I did Caterine. Now, I brought cater into drink Champs 1:39:51.600 --> 1:39:57.640 because you know, I wanted the staff to going down 1:39:57.680 --> 1:39:59.960 the street from me. So Ray Allen owns this restaurant, 1:40:00.040 --> 1:40:02.040 call with him and his wife. Shout out to Shannon. 1:40:02.600 --> 1:40:06.320 You know it's a black own restaurant. You know, you 1:40:06.360 --> 1:40:13.720 know no South southware yeah area, you know. But just 1:40:13.880 --> 1:40:17.560 in general, support black owned businesses. That if if I 1:40:17.600 --> 1:40:19.880 don't all that stuff we talked about, if stuff that 1:40:19.920 --> 1:40:22.240 people have opinions on the opinion that matters to me 1:40:22.360 --> 1:40:25.040 the most is where I'm at now, you know, because 1:40:25.080 --> 1:40:27.400 I'm on my I'm back on my you know, my 1:40:27.479 --> 1:40:30.519 street ship. I'm back with the people or whatever supporting 1:40:30.560 --> 1:40:35.960 black owned businesses, you know, And I'm saying around the 1:40:36.040 --> 1:40:37.880 corner from my family. You know what I'm saying, Like, 1:40:38.560 --> 1:40:41.040 supporting black own businesses is something that I didn't realize 1:40:41.080 --> 1:40:44.040 that was needed from you, our own coach. You see 1:40:44.040 --> 1:40:47.280 it from killing Mike, But I've seen that one aspect, 1:40:47.320 --> 1:40:49.920 and he gave a real perspective. If you wanted to 1:40:50.000 --> 1:40:52.960 go your whole month, which is supporting black owned businesses, 1:40:53.240 --> 1:40:55.000 You're going to be in a crazy place because there's 1:40:55.000 --> 1:40:56.800 a lot of things that we have not got to 1:40:56.920 --> 1:40:58.800 that place that we need to be at yet. And 1:40:58.960 --> 1:41:00.799 just in general, I'm just trying to help the narrative. 1:41:01.600 --> 1:41:04.040 Controlling your narrative is the best thing that any person 1:41:04.080 --> 1:41:07.439 of color can do. Controlling your narrative at whatever, Like 1:41:07.479 --> 1:41:10.720 how y'all said about people controlling their negative, controlling your 1:41:10.800 --> 1:41:12.720 narrative is the most important thing that you can ever 1:41:12.800 --> 1:41:16.040 do for yourself. And so supporting a black owned business 1:41:16.120 --> 1:41:18.800 is the most important thing to me right, I can't 1:41:18.800 --> 1:41:20.800 take you know, yeah, I'm not thinking what do you 1:41:20.880 --> 1:41:23.600 mean he tapped? It's no, I don't tap out, trust me, 1:41:23.640 --> 1:41:26.800 And I'm not talking out tapping more than you know. 1:41:28.400 --> 1:41:34.280 I'm thinking. You gotta take the past. You know what 1:41:34.320 --> 1:41:38.160 I'm saying, But like, support black owned businesses. What's support 1:41:38.240 --> 1:41:41.920 black owned businesses? Black book? Support black owned businesses? Man, 1:41:42.360 --> 1:41:45.599 you know what I'm saying, four black owned businesses, more 1:41:45.720 --> 1:41:48.799 black owned business style? You know what I'm saying, different 1:41:48.840 --> 1:41:51.720 stuff or whatever, like even my bag. You know, tell 1:41:51.800 --> 1:41:54.599 far this person this brother one designer of the year 1:41:54.720 --> 1:41:57.080 last year in fashion, which is not an easy a 1:41:57.200 --> 1:42:01.519 war to win. You know, it's not like nothing France 1:42:01.640 --> 1:42:04.519 or something, you know, and the whole world designer of 1:42:04.560 --> 1:42:07.720 the year. This brother one that it's Telfair. You know 1:42:07.720 --> 1:42:12.560 what I'm saying, Like, can tell Far Telfair T E. 1:42:12.920 --> 1:42:15.439 L F A R. One of the biggest brands. This 1:42:15.600 --> 1:42:17.800 is this is a New York breaking right here. Wow, 1:42:18.040 --> 1:42:20.920 this is the New York Burking. This is the Brooklyn Burking. 1:42:20.960 --> 1:42:22.960 According to who are you? Where You're from? You know 1:42:22.960 --> 1:42:25.200 what I'm saying, like, this is one of the designer 1:42:25.400 --> 1:42:27.280 it's a black designer break it down for us. So 1:42:27.720 --> 1:42:29.680 you know, just in general, I mean, I can't tell 1:42:29.720 --> 1:42:31.400 this man's whole life. He can tell it better than me. 1:42:31.720 --> 1:42:35.840 But just in general, black designers are really killing everything 1:42:35.880 --> 1:42:37.920 I got it. I feel super proud and everything I 1:42:38.040 --> 1:42:42.479 got on is from a black designers. Travis Scott did this, 1:42:42.640 --> 1:42:46.160 McDonald's collapse, Travis Scott boom. You know, Travis Scott did this. 1:42:46.520 --> 1:42:48.479 I would have This is freak off from Atlanta with 1:42:48.560 --> 1:42:51.120 a little oozy. This is Brownstone. This is a black 1:42:51.200 --> 1:42:54.280 owned brand on the pants, my shoes or whatever are 1:42:54.360 --> 1:42:57.759 from a black owned customizer. These are my socks or whatever. 1:42:58.160 --> 1:43:00.759 You know what I'm saying to you, I'm a fashion 1:43:00.880 --> 1:43:05.080 guy where black people. I wasn't wearing black people designs 1:43:05.720 --> 1:43:09.080 to be able to do that now on this entirety, 1:43:09.720 --> 1:43:13.400 That's what I'm passionate about. You know, obviously, I'm telling 1:43:13.439 --> 1:43:16.599 you right now, I dropped the hardest album. But Black 1:43:16.640 --> 1:43:20.360 Filter is the hardest album. But for me, my energy 1:43:20.479 --> 1:43:22.320 is I've never put a gun to your head to 1:43:22.439 --> 1:43:25.960 force you to believe in my music. Why would I 1:43:26.040 --> 1:43:29.559 ever do that? If you are cool. Cool niggas don't 1:43:29.560 --> 1:43:35.759 tell people they're cool. They fly rappers don't tell niggers. 1:43:35.800 --> 1:43:37.200 They wrap what they do. They get on the mic 1:43:37.240 --> 1:43:39.920 and they wrap. So at the end of the day, 1:43:40.120 --> 1:43:44.799 you know, however, your opinion is, hey, rock on, because 1:43:44.960 --> 1:43:46.880 you know we're nine years in, we're going on ten 1:43:47.000 --> 1:43:49.439 for two, Like you know what I'm saying, that's gonna 1:43:49.439 --> 1:43:51.599 be a decade in this ship or whatever. And I'm 1:43:51.600 --> 1:43:53.800 still doing my thing. And if you pop into a place, 1:43:54.120 --> 1:43:57.040 niggas know what time it is with me, simple as that, 1:43:57.360 --> 1:43:59.720 no matter what it is, because all I've been doing 1:43:59.760 --> 1:44:03.920 my entire career is show improve Double xcel. Shout out 1:44:03.960 --> 1:44:06.200 to my girlfriend. That's a over that v over there. 1:44:06.520 --> 1:44:08.600 You know what I'm saying, Like, show improve is the 1:44:08.680 --> 1:44:11.879 thing that they do on Double x cell. Show improvement 1:44:11.920 --> 1:44:14.360 is all you can you know, And everybody look at 1:44:14.680 --> 1:44:17.680 look at success differently. And I respect your opinion to 1:44:17.680 --> 1:44:20.680 a certain extent because if that's the knowledge you have, 1:44:21.040 --> 1:44:23.560 then that's the way you're gonna think or whatever. But 1:44:23.720 --> 1:44:25.160 for me, you know, right now, man, you know, I 1:44:25.240 --> 1:44:29.720 want people to support black owned businesses, support black owned designers. 1:44:30.479 --> 1:44:31.880 You know what I'm saying, That's what I care the 1:44:31.920 --> 1:44:35.479 most about. And to understand that, like in order for 1:44:35.640 --> 1:44:38.760 us to stay number one. We're all important. So whether 1:44:38.840 --> 1:44:42.080 you're a mumbo rapper or the best rapper alive, you're 1:44:42.280 --> 1:44:49.000 all equally important. And that's all I care about. What's 1:44:49.040 --> 1:44:51.519 that what you're doing? Um, Like I'm a single out 1:44:51.560 --> 1:44:55.320 right now with ot Genis and for him, you're shooting 1:44:55.320 --> 1:45:00.880 a video for that next month. I got bats go ahead. 1:45:01.120 --> 1:45:03.840 So then uh, I dropped my candle lins last year 1:45:03.840 --> 1:45:05.479 and we dropped like two hundreds. And when I went 1:45:05.520 --> 1:45:07.960 to Kane's France and I think the candle there we 1:45:08.120 --> 1:45:10.640 sold out with the production slowdown school. We come back 1:45:10.640 --> 1:45:14.719 out with that over the year and then um, same 1:45:14.880 --> 1:45:17.920 fashions and fashion stuff, um the music stuff. Because right now, 1:45:18.000 --> 1:45:21.320 like what he said, it's the true pandemic hustle us 1:45:21.320 --> 1:45:23.960 how to still hustle. If you were hustle, you gotta 1:45:24.000 --> 1:45:26.920 get to and you gotta figure it out. So the hustles, 1:45:27.000 --> 1:45:28.680 the men became men, and the boys state boys in 1:45:28.680 --> 1:45:32.360 the pandemic time. And that's all it's about. I went 1:45:32.439 --> 1:45:36.599 from doing eighty parties a month to nothing eighty parties 1:45:36.600 --> 1:45:38.479 about fifteen the week I was outside DJ and club 1:45:38.520 --> 1:45:40.800 to club, state to state. Now I'm finally getting back 1:45:40.800 --> 1:45:42.280 to him in Miami. I go to Atlanta, I go 1:45:42.320 --> 1:45:44.600 to Landom in New York, Texas, so I'm able to 1:45:44.640 --> 1:45:47.280 get back move. It's not the same though, Bro. They 1:45:47.320 --> 1:45:48.760 had me doing the strip club at eight o'clock in 1:45:48.800 --> 1:45:54.400 the afternoon. Bro, this is kid for niggas who don't 1:45:54.439 --> 1:45:56.720 know what's up, because I've seen this man rock not 1:45:56.880 --> 1:45:58.760 even on something like, oh, I don't booked at his club, 1:45:59.120 --> 1:46:02.680 like I just came two clubs and this is what 1:46:02.800 --> 1:46:05.599 a popping DJ look like. So for him to say 1:46:05.680 --> 1:46:08.639 that to you, that's how big fucking deal for niggas 1:46:08.680 --> 1:46:13.080 who don't get that. Oh God, God, straight up, I'm 1:46:13.080 --> 1:46:14.479 gonna tell you how up the game is. Bro. You 1:46:14.520 --> 1:46:17.439 see girls on Instagram with Birkins and all this ship, right, 1:46:18.160 --> 1:46:20.800 bartenders became strippist. I'm gonna just leave that. Don't there 1:46:20.880 --> 1:46:25.760 like that. But let's take it to the shop. You 1:46:25.840 --> 1:46:31.839 know what I'm talking about. Dogs, that's how bad TikTok TikTok. 1:46:33.160 --> 1:46:35.400 But yeah, that's what And we're just trying to you know, 1:46:35.560 --> 1:46:38.280 if you if you got the money, advice to anybody 1:46:38.320 --> 1:46:42.320 in the business. DJ's artists invest now because everything is 1:46:42.360 --> 1:46:44.320 lower now, So when they get back. Wooman, You're gonna 1:46:44.320 --> 1:46:46.639 be on top. That's all it is. You gotta stay prolonged. 1:46:46.680 --> 1:46:48.320 You can't live in the meantime and try to follow 1:46:48.720 --> 1:46:50.360 what everybody else doing. You gotta do your own things. 1:46:50.400 --> 1:46:53.280 Stay ahead of the game. Damn. Let's make your North 1:46:57.520 --> 1:47:01.760 take these flicks the pictures. Thanks for joining us for 1:47:01.800 --> 1:47:04.519 another episode of Drink Champs hosted by Yours truly, d 1:47:04.640 --> 1:47:07.040 J e f N and n O r E. Please 1:47:07.080 --> 1:47:09.280 make sure to follow us on all our socials. 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