1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of iHeartRadio and Grim 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: and Mild from Aaron Minky listener. Discretion is advised. In 3 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: my years of investigating defunct sanitoriums, mental health facilities, and jails. 4 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: I've seen it all. Full bodied apparitions, shadow figures, doors, slamming, 5 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: you name it. Perhaps more alarming, I've heard whispers in 6 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: my ear, and in some cases I've been touched and 7 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:38,279 Speaker 1: grabbed by unseen forces. Even as seasoned an investigator as 8 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: I am, I know when I walk through the dilapidated 9 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: doors or squeaky gates of these old complexes, something unexplainable 10 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: will happen. And that knowledge and expectancy to this day 11 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: still sends a chill down my spine as I begin. 12 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: But what happens when the location wasn't just a sanatorium, 13 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: mental health facility, or jail. What if at some point 14 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: in its history it was all three? Join me friends 15 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:14,199 Speaker 1: as we journey to CRESCN Sanatorium in Lily, Pennsylvania. I'm 16 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: Amy Bruney, and welcome to Haunted Road. The Crescent Sanitorium 17 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: in prison stands two thousand feet above sea level, perched 18 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: in the peaks of Pennsylvania's Allegheny Mountain Range. The complex 19 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: includes roughly twenty buildings. The picturesque, three story Tudor Revival 20 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: style administrative building is made of brick and wood and 21 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: has a peaked roof. The structure might remind visitors of 22 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: a witch's cottage hidden in the forest. Meanwhile, the surrounding 23 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: buildings look more modern and utilitarian. If you step inside them, 24 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: you'll find crumbling rooms with chipped paint and, in some 25 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: cases old abandon and equipment. The on site power station 26 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: is still filled with dated machinery. Inside the administrative building, 27 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 1: a wooden lobby welcomes visitors only for the doors to 28 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: open to long abandoned prison cells. Elsewhere in the complex, 29 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: a sunny window lined chapel sits locked behind a wrought 30 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: iron door with a cross pattern. Eerie stone lined underground 31 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: tunnels connect the buildings. These dark corridors feature bare concrete 32 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: walls and flooring, exposed ducts, and water stains. The whole 33 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 1: Crescent Sanatorium and Prison facility is like this, a blend 34 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: of warm, welcoming imagery with locked doors, ominous layouts, and 35 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: other features that hint at a much darker past. It 36 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: was originally built in nineteen sixteen, and it owes its 37 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: existence to steel magnate Andrew Carnegie. Initially, he bought the 38 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: land because he wanted to give his mother a mountaintop mansion. 39 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: The area he chose was popular among wealthy Cosmoposslitans looking 40 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: for a place to get away from it all. Sadly, 41 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 1: his mother passed away before the house was built. The 42 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: grieving Carnegie sold the property for just one dollar, as 43 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: the Cambria Memory Project's history one web page reports, he 44 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: just had one caveat the buyer. The state of Pennsylvania 45 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: had to build a tuberculosis hospital on the land. That 46 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: clinic came to be known as Cresson Sanatorium, named after 47 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: the nearby town of Crescin, but residents just called it 48 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,679 Speaker 1: the sand and patients flocked to it, drawn by its 49 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: promise of therapeutic, clean mountain air and is setting so 50 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: remote it was only accessible by mule drawn wagon or sled. 51 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: Today we know TB can be treated with antibiotics, but 52 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: in the early twentieth century, doctors believed the best remedies were, 53 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: as the Cambria Memory Project put it, fresh air, nourishing food, 54 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: and bed rest. Understandably, these methods weren't particularly effective. Tuberculosis, 55 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: also known as consumption, is a life threatening disease that 56 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: progressively destroys a person's lungs. One TB patient who was 57 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: treated at Cressin compared her diagnosis to cancer, as reported 58 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 1: on wqed's episode Crescin remembering life at the Sand. While 59 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: the prognosis wasn't great, the sanatorium was otherwise a peaceful, 60 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 1: bucolic escape for the patients. Residents would spend a significant 61 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: portion of their time sunbathing and so called cure chairs. 62 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: These were canvas seats arranged outdoors. Unfortunately, this daily treatment 63 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: was required year round, rain, snow or shine. When they 64 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: weren't lounging in the open air, residents could do art projects, 65 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: play cards, or screen movies together. They hosted talent shows 66 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: in planted hemlock, pine and spruce trees all over the 67 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 1: property thanks to a planting program established in nineteen seventeen, 68 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 1: and the sand drew prestigious guests like Helen Keller, who 69 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 1: gave an inspirational speech there in nineteen twenty. The residents 70 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: even published a newsletter and broadcast their own radio station, 71 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: which patients could listen to in bed through headphones if 72 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: they were too sick to get up. As dire as 73 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: any TB diagnosis was, the care at the Sand was 74 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: considered top notch. The scare Factor's Haunted Creston's Sanatorium web 75 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 1: page says that numerous residents had begun to recover from 76 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: their illness by the nineteen twenties, and many chose to 77 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 1: stay at the Sand not as patients but as caregivers. 78 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 1: The facility offered a nursing school on site for over 79 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: thirty years. As more adult patients healed, the hospital was 80 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: able to take on other forms of residents, especially children. 81 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: The children's ward opened in nineteen thirty two. Many of 82 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: the kids at the Sand weren't actively suffering from TB, 83 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: but they needed to undergo preventative treatment after friends or 84 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: family members had become ill. As treatment and medical knowledge advanced, 85 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: so did the facility's offerings over the decades. They installed 86 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: X ray machines and began offering surgeries on site rather 87 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: than requiring patients to transfer to another hospital for operations. 88 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 1: But in the nineteen fifties, doctors across the world began 89 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 1: implementing new, more effective Tuberculosi's treatments. This was good news 90 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: for many people diagnosed with TB, but it meant that 91 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 1: Crescent Sanatorium needed to find a new specialty. It was 92 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 1: converted to a mental health hospital in nineteen sixty four. 93 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,919 Speaker 1: When the few remaining patients at the sanatorium learned they'd 94 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: be moved to another facility, they objected to the change strenuously. 95 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: The Pittsburgh Post Casette published their open letter, which said, 96 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: we wish to protest this action. Every patient in this 97 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 1: hospital is very much opposed to being transferred. But their 98 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: complaints didn't sway anyone. Unfortunately, the hospital's new focus on 99 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: mental health treatment came with sloppiness and corner cutting. At 100 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: some point, the people running it became aware that the 101 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: buildings weren't in compliance with fire code, but they failed 102 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: to make the necessary fixes. They also lost extensive records 103 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: during nineteen seventy two's Hurricane Agnes. Among other things, the 104 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: storm destroyed all the information they'd had about who was 105 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: buried in the facility's graveyard. It's estimated that three hundred 106 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: and fifty people were interred there, their identities lost to time. Then, 107 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: on February fifteenth, nineteen seventy three, another inevitable tragedy struck, 108 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: a fire broke out, claiming three lives. Twenty one year 109 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: old Carl Dodara and thirty year old John Lytell were 110 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: both sleeping in the dormitories when the fires first ignited. 111 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: They succumbed to smoke inhalation. Another resident died days later 112 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: in a hospital, twenty one year old Allie Streppa. The 113 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: facility was rebuilt and operated for nearly a decade more. Finally, 114 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: the mental health hospital closed its doors at the end 115 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: of nineteen eighty two, only to reopen about four years later, 116 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: this time as a prison. Renamed Sci Cressn or Cresson 117 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: State Prison. The medium security men's facility could accommodate four 118 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: hundred ninety nine inmates, although it later grew and incorporated 119 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: a maximum security juvenile operation as well. While the penal 120 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: institution was able to utilize many of the original buildings 121 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 1: from the sanatorium, several structures were demolished so new ones 122 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: could be built in their place. When Crescent State Prison 123 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: received its first prisoners in February nineteen eighty seven, it 124 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: quickly became home to some of the most dangerous and 125 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 1: violent criminals of the time, men like serial killer Joseph Kallinger. 126 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: Joseph was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia during his incarceration, but 127 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,439 Speaker 1: prior to that, he believed God had ordered him to 128 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: kill three million people. He recruited his twelve year old 129 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: son to help him on his murderous mission, and together 130 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: the father and child murdered numerous people, including another of 131 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: Joseph's sons, fourteen year old Joseph Junior. After his conviction, 132 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: Joseph spent some time in a mental health facility, then 133 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: was transferred to Sci Cresson. He remained there six years, 134 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: the final five of which were in solitary confinement with 135 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:34,839 Speaker 1: constant surveillance due to fears that he'd take his own life. Ultimately, 136 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 1: he died of natural causes on March twenty sixth, nineteen 137 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: ninety six. The following year, another infamous killer moved in 138 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: to crescn. This was John E. DuPont, an eccentric millionaire 139 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: who became dangerously paranoid in the nineteen nineties. Debbie Goldberg 140 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: reported in The Washington Post that John came to believe 141 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: he was in some kind of danger and lined his 142 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: home with razor wire as a protective measure. He seemed 143 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: to think The trees on his estate were both mobile 144 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: and mechanical and moved around. The same article also notes 145 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: that John often referred to himself as Christ Child and 146 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: Dali Lama. In addition to his mental health struggles, John 147 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: was deeply invested in athletics. In an article with The 148 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: New York Times, Jerry Longman wrote that John had an 149 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 1: athletic facility constructed, and he financially sponsored swim wrestling, and 150 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 1: pentathlete teams. He also allowed Olympic wrestler Dave Schultz and 151 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: his family to live on his estate. On January sixth, 152 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six, John fatally shot Dave. His motives are 153 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: still unclear, but it has been speculated that John believed 154 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 1: Dave was conspiring against him somehow. After his arrest and conviction, 155 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: he lived at the Crescent State Prison from nineteen ninety 156 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: seven to December twenty ten. The seventy two year old 157 00:10:55,559 --> 00:11:00,199 Speaker 1: died in Crescent of natural causes. By this time, the 158 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: facility had fallen a long way from the beloved Airy 159 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: tb Sanatorium it had once been. These days, the prison 160 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: guards and other officials were especially harsh to inmates with 161 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:15,599 Speaker 1: mental health conditions, who were often brutally punished for behavior 162 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: related to their disorders. Punishments included withholding showers, toilet paper, 163 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: and mattresses. Many prisoners were thrown into isolation, a brutal, 164 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: damagingly stressful measure, even for people with no previous history 165 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: of mental health struggles. In light of all this, it's 166 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: probably no surprise that many incarcerated people at Cresson State 167 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:41,559 Speaker 1: Prison took their own lives. One inmate who survived a 168 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: suicide attempt was punished for trying to kill himself. He 169 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: was charged a fine and spent about a month in isolation. 170 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:54,119 Speaker 1: The US Department of Justice opened an investigation on the facility. 171 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: In their final report, Thomas E. Perez and David J. 172 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: Hickton wrote that Cresson State Prison was violating inmates constitutional rights. 173 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: They said Cresson routinely locks prisoners with serious mental illness 174 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 1: in their cells for roughly twenty three hours per day, 175 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 1: for months, even years at a time. However, when the 176 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:19,079 Speaker 1: Crescent State Prison shut down in twenty fifteen, it wasn't 177 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: because of the chronic mistreatment. It was because the facility 178 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: had grown too expensive to maintain. As reported by Jim 179 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: Cheney in Uncovering Pennsylvania. Most recently, that Cresson Sanatorium and 180 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: Prison Facility has operated as a hydroponic farm which is 181 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 1: run by Big House Produce. They used to offer tours, 182 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: but recently closed. They posted on their GoFundMe page that 183 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: this is due to a dispute with their landlord about 184 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: ownership of the property. It's hard to say when ghost 185 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: hunters and paranormal investigators will be welcomed back into the 186 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: halls of Cressn which is unfortunate as it's said to 187 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: be extremely haunted. In the past, visitors have reported cna 188 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:04,319 Speaker 1: the spirits of prisoners and workers alike. There are also 189 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: accounts of shadow figures and screams and conversation with no 190 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 1: clear source. At times, guests get the eerie sense that 191 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:16,839 Speaker 1: they're being watched, and many have felt unseen hands touch them. 192 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: On Amy's Crypts website on America's most Haunted Hospital in Prison, 193 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 1: there are accounts of people who visited the facility's chapel 194 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: only to suddenly feel overcome with weariness and tremors. The 195 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: same site notes that a mysterious creature has been spotted 196 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: inside this building. It's said to cling to the ceiling 197 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: then follow visitors around the property after they leave the sanctuary. 198 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,959 Speaker 1: The Children's Ward, which also operated for some time as 199 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: a morgue, is another hot spot for spiritual activity. The 200 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 1: entities there have been known to chase guests, and it's 201 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: also said that paranormal investigators have recorded EVP that are 202 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 1: hostile and argumentative in tone. We don't know where many 203 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: of these spirits come from, but one has been identified. 204 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: On an episode of Ghost Hunters, historian Tyler Mowdry described 205 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: a boy named Brian Larer. He was admitted to Cressen 206 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: after a bad fall and a head injury in nineteen 207 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: fifty six. While the tumble didn't kill him, it did 208 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: cause brain damage, which meant Brian was never released from 209 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: the hospital. He ended up dying at Cresson, and he's 210 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: been identified as the young boy's spirit who haunts the 211 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: power plant. Another specter has been identified as serial killer 212 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: Joseph Kallinger. During his lifetime, his cot was in cell 213 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: Block F, and his ghost has been spotted in that building. 214 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: In this structure, visitors often hear footsteps, voices, moans, and 215 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: taps in rooms that are supposed to be empty. Doors 216 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: slam on their own. The Crescent sanatorium page on the 217 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: Haunted US website suggests sometimes though swing shut if an 218 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: investigator asks a particular question. The ghosts in the prison 219 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: block are often particularly drawn to female visitors. Women who 220 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: walk through here are frequently touched or might feel someone 221 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: tug at their hair. It's no wonder the structure is 222 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: so haunted. Between its time as a hospital, a mental 223 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: health clinic, and a prison, Cresson has borne witness to 224 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: almost a century of suffering, death and tragedy. Up next, 225 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: we'll be talking to paranormal investigator Rachel Rachella. Rachel worked 226 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: at cressm as a tour guide and investigator for years 227 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: and she's got some amazing first hand encounters to share. 228 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: That's coming up after the break. I am now joined 229 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: by Rachel Rachella, and Rachel actually was a tour guide 230 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: and investigator at Cressin for a while. And this is 231 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: really interesting for me, Rachel, because I've never been to Cressen. 232 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: So many of the places that cover I've actually investigated, 233 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: but this is not the case here. So I'm really 234 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: happy to have you, so thank you, oh thank you. 235 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: One of the things that struck me in the history 236 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: right away was that Cressin was not just you know, 237 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: a sanatorium. It had a lot of different iterations. Obviously, 238 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: it went from sanatorium to mental health facility to prison. 239 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: So just kind of right off the bat well, first 240 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: of all, welcome, I'm just really excited to talk about this. 241 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 2: Thank you. 242 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: In that context, which of those kind of identities do 243 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: you think causes the most activity at the sanatorium or CRESCIN. 244 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 3: So, I think, at least for me when I was there, 245 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 3: it was kind of dependent on where you were. In 246 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 3: prison buildings there was a lot of more prisoner activity, 247 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 3: and then in some of the sanitorium buildings they had 248 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 3: converted them to prison buildings, but there was still remnants 249 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 3: of tuberculosis patients and you know, even kids at sometimes. 250 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 3: So it was like you got all of the eras 251 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 3: when you were there, just depending on what kind of 252 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 3: night it was, which buildings you were in. And the 253 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 3: prison I think did have a strong presence, just because 254 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 3: that was the last portion that the property had and 255 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 3: it was there from you know, eighty seven, eighty three 256 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 3: to eighty seven and then until twenty thirteen. So I 257 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 3: just I've had a lot of interactions with prisoners and 258 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 3: then in some of the older buildings was sanatorium. 259 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 1: Right, that makes sense. Obviously there's a lot of places 260 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: to explore there. I think they said, I mean, how 261 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,199 Speaker 1: many buildings are left standing at this point that you 262 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: know of? 263 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 3: So there's still a lot of buildings up inside of 264 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 3: the prison fence where the yard was and everything. There's 265 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 3: about twenty twenty two up there, and then there's still 266 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 3: some warehouses that weren't used at the time. But there's 267 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 3: there's a good bit of buildings. Twenty of them are 268 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 3: open or were open to exploration, so there was a 269 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 3: lot to go. 270 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 1: Through, good Lord, And so when you're in there, I'm 271 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: assuming there's still a lot of a lot of remnants 272 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 1: of what used to be there, Like, okay, so are 273 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 1: we talking just furniture other records, Like I've been in 274 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: some of these places and it's literally like they just 275 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: locked it up and walked away one day and didn't 276 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,199 Speaker 1: change a thing. Is it still like that in spots? 277 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 3: In spots, yes, there's still papers that they don't have 278 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 3: identifiers on them, but papers that you would have seen forms. 279 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 3: There's even prison passes that are laying around. It's in 280 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 3: some of the basement areas where not a lot of 281 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 3: people went there were it just looked like they got 282 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 3: up and walked away, yeah, and left everything. 283 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 1: It's it's so interesting how that happens with a lot 284 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: of these government buildings when they closed down. It's just 285 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: people pack up their few things and then everything else 286 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 1: just kind of gets left. But I guess it kind 287 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,719 Speaker 1: of is good from an investigative standpoint because you can 288 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: kind of see what it looked like when it was 289 00:18:56,320 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 1: an operation. Now, with all of those choices for building, 290 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: what areas did you find to be the most active? 291 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 3: There were a few. My top one was Building F 292 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 3: which was a nurse's home during sanatorium and then was 293 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 3: used for inmates with special needs during the prison. It 294 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,199 Speaker 3: was a building that the first time I walked in, 295 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 3: I didn't know the history all that much until later on, 296 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 3: but the first time I ever walked in that building, 297 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 3: there was this overwhelming feeling of like despair and just 298 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 3: this emotional vibe to the building. I even just walked 299 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 3: right back out at the time because I didn't know 300 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 3: what I was getting into. And then the more that 301 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 3: I spent time up there, the more that that building 302 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 3: kind of showed itself in the paranormal way. 303 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: So how does that feel kind of after the fact. 304 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,919 Speaker 1: You know, when you walk into a building and you 305 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: do you get a vibe from it, and then you 306 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: later learn the history that kind of explains that. You know, 307 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 1: you learn the history and find out like, oh, I 308 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 1: felt that when I went in there, Like, was that 309 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: kind of an aha moment for you? 310 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:01,400 Speaker 2: Yeah? It was. 311 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,880 Speaker 3: It was really weird because I had been one week 312 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 3: before just to take some photos, and then the next 313 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 3: week had gone back from my first investigation, and that's 314 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 3: when I learned what that building was and it was 315 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 3: just this moment of, oh, that's that feeling that I felt, 316 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 3: where you learn what the inmates were in there and 317 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 3: what happened, and it was just kind of it was 318 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 3: confirmation of my feelings, but then also really odd at 319 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 3: the same time. 320 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: Right, what kind of activity would you say is the 321 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: most prevalent throughout that complex? Like what do you think 322 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: people encounter most often? 323 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 3: I think it's a lot of residual noises, knocks, just 324 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 3: bangs and stuff, and then shadow figures are really prominent there. 325 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 3: That's something that I've had a lot of experience with myself. 326 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 3: And then I think as I got to know the 327 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 3: property more, it was disembodied voices or another big thing too, 328 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 3: just hearing people talking as you're walking up to a 329 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 3: building and there's no one in there. 330 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I read about that that that's really common place there, 331 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: and I guess that would make sense. I mean, I 332 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 1: find that in a lot of those kind of institutional 333 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: type locations, shadow figures are there a lot and feel, 334 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 1: and I almost like associate it with with routine, like 335 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 1: there was a structure there and there were things that 336 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 1: happened at certain times every day, and that's not really 337 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 1: present in a lot of other haunted locations that we 338 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 1: might go to. And so I think that's just kind 339 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: of that energy a bit like I don't think that's 340 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 1: all shadow figures, but I think that kind of I 341 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 1: always think of it this kind of like wispy like 342 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: just kind of replaying over and over again. And in 343 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: this case, people lived and died by their routine a 344 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 1: lot of the time. 345 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah they did. And that's what I think too, 346 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 3: is just it's a lot of you can tell in 347 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 3: certain areas at certain times the energy will kind of 348 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 3: calm down and then it'll pick back up, so it 349 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 3: is like they're just going through their daily routine. 350 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 1: So it sounds like it's probably not just limited to 351 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 1: night time activity. I know we like to go into 352 00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: these places at night, but it sounds like it's happening 353 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: twenty four to seven there. Yes, it is, if you 354 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 1: feel like I know right now, there's kind of at 355 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: the time of this recording, which it's to be fair 356 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: November twenty twenty three, whoever's listening, there's not investigations happening 357 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: there because there's kind of a dispute happening with the 358 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: landlord and everything and trying to figure out who's going 359 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: to own it next. And do you think that that 360 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 1: is detrimental to the spirits that are there? 361 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 3: I do. I think that they can obviously see that 362 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 3: there's not people coming in at this time, and I 363 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 3: think that they thrive on that energy of investigators coming in, 364 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,479 Speaker 3: and even people who weren't there to investigate but just 365 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 3: to take photos or explore. They thrive on that human interaction. 366 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 3: And now I just don't think. I'm not sure what's 367 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 3: what they're doing, what's going on, but I think they 368 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 3: do miss that interaction. 369 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: I can imagine like whoever gets in their next it's 370 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 1: going to be really interesting to see what happens, like 371 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: even if they're not you know, paranormal people, whoever takes 372 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: over that building, they could be in for quite a surprise. Exactly. 373 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: So how did you get involved in Preston. Was it 374 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 1: just like something that you stumbled across, Like were you 375 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: an investigator before, Like how did you get into that role? 376 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 3: Yes, I was an investigator before, just not as often, 377 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 3: but just here and there. And I had actually discovered 378 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 3: Cressen because there was an ad on Facebook that they 379 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 3: had put out for photo tours and I was into 380 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 3: I'm into photography pretty heavy, and so I saw that 381 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 3: and it was the chapel, actually the outside of the 382 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 3: chapel that I saw, and it was just this call 383 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 3: that I thought, I have to go see this place. 384 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 3: And ever since then it kind of hooked me in 385 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,439 Speaker 3: and I even moved to be closer to it so 386 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 3: I could be involved more at the time, and it's 387 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:49,199 Speaker 3: been it was such a ride getting to be on 388 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 3: the property and see it and investigate and kind of 389 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 3: learn the spirit. 390 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: Yes, and I think they start to recognize you too, 391 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 1: like when you're there for a while, like they start 392 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 1: to know who you are. And just from what I've 393 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: heard about you, and what went on there, Like it 394 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,199 Speaker 1: sounds like most everyone who investigates there has handled the 395 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: spirits there respectfully. Now has that always been the case. 396 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 3: It has, at least from my time up there, it was. 397 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 3: Everyone was always very respectful. And everyone that I had 398 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 3: talked to that we're going to go up there for 399 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,199 Speaker 3: a private investigation, I would just tell them, you have 400 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 3: to be respectful, because if you're going to go in 401 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 3: there with a non respectful attitude, they're not going to 402 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 3: come out. They're not going to talk to you. They 403 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 3: want that respect because they just want to interact. They're 404 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:35,239 Speaker 3: not going to kind of show themselves if you're not 405 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 3: treating them with. 406 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: Respect exactly now, kind of along those lines, like it's 407 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: sounds you know, obviously we're talking about how there's a 408 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: lot of residual activity and stuff, but what about who 409 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: or or who do you think like spirit wise there 410 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:55,199 Speaker 1: or experience wise, is the most like interactive intelligently, Like 411 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: do you have like full intelligent interactions as well. 412 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:03,400 Speaker 3: In certain places? Yes, I've had intelligent interactions in Building 413 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 3: F and then in Building E, which is a cell block. 414 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 3: There's I think E has a lot of intelligent spirits 415 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 3: because it was. It was a high security cell block, 416 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 3: and when you go in there, it's a different type 417 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 3: of feeling. They will interact with you if you ask questions, 418 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 3: not so much sometimes on voice recorders, but just asking, 419 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 3: you know, for yes or no answers for knox or 420 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 3: bangs or certain things like that. And then the same 421 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 3: with Building F. I've had more interactions intelligently in there 422 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:39,719 Speaker 3: through electromagnetic devices, you know, rempods, things like that, and 423 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 3: it's more the children sometimes to interact in F with 424 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 3: those devices. And then at one point we had children 425 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,479 Speaker 3: interacting at the end of one hallway and adults at 426 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 3: the other. So I think it's just dependent on where 427 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 3: you're at. Mainly those two buildings with intelligence, but every 428 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,679 Speaker 3: building had so sort of intelligent spirit, just the level 429 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:03,719 Speaker 3: of it was different. 430 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: Do you think that like they're aware of each other, 431 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,679 Speaker 1: because obviously you have this kind of situation where you have, 432 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:13,199 Speaker 1: you know, a high security prison in a building that 433 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: also once was treating children, where children passed away as well. 434 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: Do you think they're aware of each other? 435 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 3: I do, especially in you know, those buildings that were 436 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 3: tuberculousis buildings first and then the prison converted them. I 437 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 3: think that there's a big interaction between the two. I'm 438 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 3: not sure if they're on the same timeline what, but 439 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 3: just the interaction, because sometimes it felt like the spirits 440 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 3: were interacting more with each other through the devices than 441 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:44,159 Speaker 3: they were with us. 442 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,959 Speaker 1: What I think is sad is that there is a 443 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: cemetery on the property where like the records were lost. Correct. Yes, 444 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: and in my research it seemed like there were probably 445 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty ors so people buried out there. 446 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 1: Do you think that has had any impact on the 447 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: activity or has that ever come up in your investigations? 448 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 3: I think so, It's never come up for me personally 449 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,679 Speaker 3: in investigations. But I knew of the cemetery, and I 450 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 3: knew that, you know, they did find some and exuom 451 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 3: them and actually move them to a cemetery in town. 452 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 3: And I think that those ones that they didn't, you know, 453 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 3: they're kind of they might be lost out there just 454 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 3: trying to find out what's happened to them, if they 455 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 3: want their grave to be remembered, and it's just. 456 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 1: Not Yeah, that's really hard, you know. I do think 457 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 1: there is this kind of there is this importance to 458 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: some people, not everybody, but to some people just having 459 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 1: that kind of space for them, and you know in death, 460 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 1: and you know, I have encountered many spirits who were 461 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: upset about how they were treated and you know after dying, 462 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 1: which I think is so like obviously some people just 463 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,120 Speaker 1: don't care, but others they're very passionate about it enough 464 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 1: to come back in the afterlife and try to get 465 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 1: it corrected. So I could that having to do with something. 466 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: For sure, shadow figures we've talked about, and obviously disembodied 467 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,360 Speaker 1: voices and things. Have people seen like full bodied apparitions there. 468 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 3: I don't. I think some it's more honestly, it's outside 469 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 3: the buildings more than inside for everything that I've heard. 470 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 3: I had someone tell me that they saw a man 471 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,919 Speaker 3: standing on the sidewalk out in between the chapel and 472 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:27,159 Speaker 3: one of the administration buildings, and it gets there's heavy 473 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 3: fog because of this sits on top of the mountain, 474 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 3: so it is some heavy fog, and so you look 475 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 3: into the fog and see a man standing there, and 476 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 3: it is it's just really eerie. And then I myself 477 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:44,479 Speaker 3: have seen it was around Halloween one year and I 478 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 3: was walking down in the dark, of course, and there 479 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 3: was this man with a flashlight on his head and 480 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 3: I went to go see who he was, where he 481 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 3: was coming from, and just took off running across the property. 482 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 3: And still to this day, I don't think that was 483 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 3: a person because we knew where everyone was at the time. 484 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 3: It was just it still freaks me out because I 485 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 3: don't know what I saw at that point. 486 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's not exactly an easily accessible area, right 487 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: like you, No, it is not. It is very remote. 488 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 2: Yes, it's very remote, and there's only one gate in 489 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 2: and out of the property, and this was very high 490 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 2: up on the property of the time. 491 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: Now have you ever had experiences in there that just 492 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: kind of left you uncomfortable? 493 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 3: Yes, there was, There's been a few. One was actually 494 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 3: my very first investigation there and it was in E 495 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 3: which is the cell block I had gotten physically touched 496 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 3: very first time, and it still gives me chills talking 497 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 3: about it. There's two stories and this is one of them, 498 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 3: and that one was I was in just standing in 499 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 3: the doorway of a cell, you know, listening, and it 500 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 3: felt like there was a pressure on the back of 501 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 3: my leg and so I'd even shift did to think 502 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 3: it was my clothing, and it didn't go away, and 503 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 3: it eventually felt like a full hand was kind of 504 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 3: grabbing my backside. It is one that it's my famous 505 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 3: Cressen story, and it's just something that I'd never really 506 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 3: got an answer to either. 507 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, and that was your first investigation there, 508 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: But yet you went back repeated I. So, now what 509 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 1: was you said? You've had another one? What's another one? 510 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 2: Yes? 511 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 3: So the other one was about six or seven months later, 512 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 3: and it was in Building F. My friends and I 513 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 3: had gone up. I had rented the place out for myself. 514 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 3: It was private investigation, and there was nine of us 515 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 3: on the property. Four of us had gone to Building F. 516 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 3: The other five had gone up to the top of 517 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 3: the property, and we had been in F for a while, 518 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 3: getting a lot of noises. We'd even think a paint 519 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 3: chip had been thrown at us at one point. And 520 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 3: then so we left and left a phone inside recording 521 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 3: the hallway and walked outside and had it on a 522 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 3: delay through a live feed. And we were standing out 523 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 3: on the sidewalk, which is maybe twenty feet from the door. 524 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 3: And then you go in the door, and then you 525 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 3: turn left and then go down a hallway, so you 526 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 3: go through two doors to where this phone was, and 527 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 3: from the outside we heard this yell come from inside 528 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 3: this building, and immediately it came through the phone, maybe 529 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 3: five seconds later. Due to that delay, I sent our 530 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 3: friends a message up at the top of the property 531 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 3: and I said, did you guys yell? And they were 532 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 3: inside in the basement of another one, so they weren't 533 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 3: anywhere near us. And it is this disembodied It sounds 534 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 3: I'm not sure if it's female or male because it's 535 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 3: high pitched, but when we listened back to it, it 536 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 3: it sounded like it was calling out mining oooh. 537 00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. 538 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 2: It is one that gives me goosebump every time. I 539 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 2: still have the recording, and I have no explanations other 540 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 2: than I know I'm in that building a lot, and 541 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 2: I don't know if they just knew who I was 542 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 2: at the time, but it is really eerie. 543 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's you know, that's one of those things, 544 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 1: like they do become familiar with you and you never know, 545 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: like what they like to scream out your name, like 546 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: did they need something? Did they want you to come back? 547 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: Like were they messing with you? Like there could have 548 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: been so many motivations there, so I know, So what 549 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: do you think do you think they were trying to 550 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 1: get your attention? Why do you think they were yelling 551 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 1: out for you? 552 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 3: I think it was one of those times where they 553 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 3: just wanted attention because we had been in there for 554 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 3: so long and then just walked out right, And I 555 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 3: don't know if they just wanted us back in, because 556 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 3: they do like attention in that building, and the more 557 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 3: that you're in there and the longer you stay, the 558 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 3: more activity you get. 559 00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,120 Speaker 1: That makes sense. That's one of those things too. I 560 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: tell people, when you're investigating, sometimes you get lucky and 561 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 1: things happen straight out the gate, but then there's other 562 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 1: times where like you really do have to sit and 563 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 1: let them become familiar with you, and like you have 564 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: to get comfortable being there and get comfortable with the 565 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: people that you're with, and then in turn they'll feel 566 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: that and they'll start interacting more. So it can take 567 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 1: some time. Yeah, And I think paranormal TV too, it 568 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 1: kind of makes it look like we walk in and 569 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 1: it's like instantly things are happening left and right. But 570 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 1: like it'd be a very boring show if we showed 571 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 1: people like the build up to that, right, Oh my gosh. 572 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah, sitting for hours in the dark, just. 573 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: Waiting exactly, just waiting for something to happen, so exactly. 574 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,719 Speaker 1: I just I find that place just so incredibly interesting 575 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 1: because I feel like you've kind of have the gamut, 576 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 1: like I said earlier, just between like, I love how 577 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 1: the people who ran the sanatorium just loved it so 578 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: much didn't want to leave, you know. And then it 579 00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:00,239 Speaker 1: was the mental health facility, which I'm sure started with 580 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: good intentions but then really descended into some really dark 581 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: places and then finally ending up a prison, which again, 582 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 1: like you have some of. I mean, I was surprised 583 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: because it sounded like it started as kind of like 584 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 1: a medium security spot but ended up with some pretty 585 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: intense killers and things. How did that happen? Do you 586 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: happen to know? 587 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 3: I'm not entirely sure how it happened. I know that 588 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,319 Speaker 3: the more I guess with the mental health facility being 589 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,840 Speaker 3: there and then having prisoners with that have mental health 590 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 3: issues and intellectual abilities, that's what they had there. You know, 591 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:40,320 Speaker 3: they had three different units for prisoners with mental issues, 592 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:44,320 Speaker 3: and they were the three main units were isolation units. 593 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 3: So I think that the more that people found out 594 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,879 Speaker 3: about it, and they knew that they could, unfortunately send 595 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 3: these prisoners with these issues there and they would. It 596 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 3: wasn't good treatment, right, It was a lot of horrible treatment. 597 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 3: And you know, with there were the two killers that 598 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 3: were kind of fam infamous with Joseph Kalinger and John DuPont. 599 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 3: They were the two inmates that I think people know 600 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,439 Speaker 3: the most about. And it's just it's sad how many 601 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:15,400 Speaker 3: people ended up there in those isolation units with mental issues. 602 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: So that makes sense. It almost sounds like they were 603 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:24,319 Speaker 1: trying to rehabilitate some of these prisoners and not reallyhabilitate, 604 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 1: but like they had been deemed, they weren't necessarily like 605 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: people who were out in society. These were people that 606 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 1: had mental health issues and that's what led them to 607 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,920 Speaker 1: being killers, which would explain why they'd be in that prison. 608 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 1: But it sounded like it was just really awful like 609 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:39,879 Speaker 1: what they went through. 610 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:44,240 Speaker 3: It was There's a big report that I had found 611 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 3: myself in the Department of Justice had done investigation and 612 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 3: it details a lot of why the prison was shut 613 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 3: down due to the mental health treatment of inmates, and 614 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 3: it is just a horrifying report to read. 615 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,359 Speaker 1: Like I kind of touched on it a little bit 616 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: in the beginning, but I think that's important to remember too, 617 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 1: Like when you're investigating situations like this, like you know, 618 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 1: remember who you're talking to, and you know, you can't 619 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 1: always pass judgment and assume that you know everyone you're 620 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 1: talking to is out to get you, Like it's hard. 621 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,719 Speaker 1: It's like you know, anyone could be standing in front 622 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,719 Speaker 1: of you and you can't see them when you're investigating 623 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 1: a place like this, and so you always have to 624 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,720 Speaker 1: start from a place of compassion obviously, unless they start, 625 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 1: you know, grabbing your behind and whatnot, and then you 626 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,839 Speaker 1: feel friend to let them know where to go at 627 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: that point. But you know, I just I find it fascinating. 628 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: I really really do hope that they're able to kind 629 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 1: of rectify what's going on there, or that this does 630 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 1: become accessible again, not even just for the paranormal component, 631 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: but just from a historical place, Like I think locations 632 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 1: like this are so important to keep going in some way. 633 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:59,440 Speaker 3: I do too. It's such a beautiful location too, because 634 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 3: it can tell the difference between the tuberculosis buildings and 635 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 3: what the prison had put up, and it is that 636 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 3: just gorgeous Tutor Revival style and the architecture is amazing. 637 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 3: So I do hope that you know there is room 638 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 3: in the future for everyone to enjoy it again. 639 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 1: I hope so too. Well. I really thank you for 640 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,719 Speaker 1: taking the time to chat with me, and maybe one 641 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,760 Speaker 1: day we'll meet in person. One day we'll investigate Cresson together. 642 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 1: I hope, yes, I hope so. But yeah, it's been 643 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,000 Speaker 1: great and the best of luck with everything you're doing. 644 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 3: Yes, thank you so much. I really appreciate it. 645 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,799 Speaker 1: The crest in sanatorium in prison was originally supposed to 646 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 1: be a place for healing and recovery. Instead, after many iterations, 647 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,800 Speaker 1: it became a home for neglect, cruelty, and needless death. 648 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 1: But I find it encouraging that it's now a farm. 649 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 1: Assuming the operators can settle their dispute with the landlord, 650 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,439 Speaker 1: this can be a place for literal growth. 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