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Speaker 2: No Fox Sports Radio Radio. All right, it was really political,

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Speaker 2: It really was. That's coming right up. Good morning, Good

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Speaker 2: morning everybody. This is Fox Sports Sunday. He is Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 2: He is the man. I'm blessed to have him with

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Speaker 2: me every single Sunday. They're one and only Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 2: All buck, how are you?

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Speaker 4: I'm good, Andy, what's going on?

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Speaker 3: You sound good? You look even better?

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Speaker 2: And you know what, I want to talk about something

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Speaker 2: that we never ever talk about on this show, and

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Speaker 2: it's hockey. On a night when hockey had the most

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Speaker 2: eyes ever ever on the sport, the best player in

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Speaker 2: the game, Connor McDavid, was the hero. His overtime goal,

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Speaker 2: as you know, lifted, added it to a four nations

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Speaker 2: failoff a Faceoff Championship over the US Hollywood finish three

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Speaker 2: two three two in ot. It was tremendous, It really was.

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Speaker 2: I know you watched it. I know, because you're a

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Speaker 2: man for all sports. I know you watched it. It

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Speaker 2: was great and I couldn't believe the hype it was.

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Speaker 2: It was refreshing to see athletes going out there giving it.

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Speaker 3: They're all.

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Speaker 2: No one's saying, I'm not playing. My fingernail hurts. These

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Speaker 2: guys went out there and no look at me. There

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Speaker 2: was no look at me in that game, you know

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like in the NBA, after they score

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Speaker 3: It's it was great. It was fresh. It was refreshing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. No, it was a great environment. It was a

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Speaker 4: great atmosphere.

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Speaker 5: It was compelling because of the Jewis in, right, the Jewis

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Speaker 5: in Not only because like I feel like we all

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Speaker 5: are tribal people. We like to get behind and rally

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Speaker 5: like our people, but when it became the US versus Canada,

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Speaker 5: when the president urges the hockey team to go on,

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Speaker 5: the US team wins the first game, and the de

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Speaker 5: manner in which they wanted. It really set up for

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Speaker 5: us to watch something that was going to be a

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Speaker 5: great spectacle, and then you see it in Boston, the

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Speaker 4: It was great visual theater. Look, it was just compelling

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Speaker 4: and I enjoyed. I watched every minute of it.

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Speaker 5: I'm a hockey fan, particularly when it comes to playoff hockey,

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Speaker 5: and so I was.

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Speaker 4: I was all. I was smitten, I was all over it.

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Speaker 3: I think it was great.

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Speaker 2: I watched the entire thing as well, although I had

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Speaker 2: a different situation because of my home.

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Speaker 3: My wife is Canadian, so she.

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Speaker 2: Went nuts and we were the only one in our

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Speaker 2: I don't know if that's could be a different but happy,

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Speaker 2: I'm happy day won. I'm happy Canada one because now

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Speaker 2: I got piece this piece in my home, which is great,

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Speaker 2: big time Canadian hockey fan. But I wonder what made

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Speaker 3: I'm not so certain.

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Speaker 2: I think it was politics because there was booing of

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Speaker 2: I don't think people really and truly understood the booing.

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Speaker 2: I don't think they were booing because of the team.

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Speaker 2: I think it was politics. I really believe that, you

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Speaker 2: Really was the game or was it said by our

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Speaker 2: So I think a lot had to do with the politics,

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Speaker 2: I went to. It was a political battle more so

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Speaker 4: The president. Look, they already are fierce rivals, right when

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Speaker 5: About Canada and their dominance and really the dominance over

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Speaker 4: There was already that intensity there.

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Speaker 5: But President Trump kind of put some kerosene on the fire.

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Speaker 4: Of, you know, like a playoff game. It was.

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Speaker 5: It was intense from beginning to end, and that tension

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Speaker 4: That's why we love playoffs.

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Speaker 5: We love seeing how people perform under that that that

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Speaker 2: It's funny because right after Conor McDavid scored the winning

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Speaker 2: it is amazing right after the game was over.

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Speaker 3: The message was short, but it was a.

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Speaker 2: Clear response and he said, you can't take our country,

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Speaker 2: you can't take our game. That was directly towards our president.

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Speaker 2: I mean really interesting and maybe it's a good thing.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it created more interest because of the the grease

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Speaker 2: And look, you can't take it away positive. I mean,

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Speaker 2: let's let's turn it to with positive right now. Maybe

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Speaker 2: we should continue this rivalry and the National Football League.

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Speaker 2: I think the Pro Bowl right now is death. It's

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Speaker 3: You know what it is.

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Speaker 2: It's a It's a I guess, a certain gimmick. I mean,

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Speaker 2: These guys don't want to get hurt. They don't make

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Speaker 2: the Pro Bowl right now is not what it used

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Speaker 3: Scrap it.

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Speaker 2: Maybe the NFL should have a game between the Canadian

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Speaker 2: that would create a little more interest. But then what

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Speaker 5: So my take on the Pro Bowl is everyone who

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Speaker 5: the Pro Bowl still draws a significant number.

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Speaker 4: When it comes to TV ratings.

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Speaker 5: Despite all the moaning about the lack of competitiveness between

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Speaker 4: Bunch of people continue to tune in.

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Speaker 5: The Only way that you're going to change the Pro

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Speaker 5: then send out a serious message. Right now, it's been

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Speaker 5: too good for too long, and it is going to

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Speaker 5: be hard to put the genie back in the battle.

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Speaker 5: When a genie back in the bottle. When it comes

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Speaker 5: to getting people to play hard, it's a different eraror.

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Speaker 4: Seventies and eighties nineties.

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Speaker 5: When the Pro Bowl money was significant and not that

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Speaker 5: far from what player salagies were, that was a huge bonus.

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Speaker 4: Now the amount of money that they make, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: The risk isn't worth the reward when it goes to

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Speaker 5: playing hard in an exhibition football game. Football is not

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Speaker 5: one that you can play in an exhibition fashion because

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Speaker 5: of the physicality, the violence and all those things. The risks,

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Speaker 4: It's hard to replicate that.

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Speaker 5: So even though everyone wants savagery during the Pro Bowl,

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Speaker 5: it's not gonna happen anymore. There's too much money on

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Speaker 3: I hear what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: But when I'm taking up from what your statement, you're

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Speaker 2: telling me that the ratings on TV are good, leave

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Speaker 2: it alone. That doesn't mean that basically what you're watching

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 2: They're talking right now in college to expand the college

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Speaker 2: I don't think that does anything for the basic competition

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Speaker 2: Why there's gambling involved. Maybe they're just football junkies. Maybe

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Speaker 2: there's nothing else on TV. I don't know. The fact

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Speaker 3: Think there still should be some sort of a.

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Speaker 2: Tweaking of that College football or basically the Pro Bowl

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Speaker 3: Maybe I'm wrong, but you tell me.

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Speaker 5: So, I'm just trying to figure out what everyone wants

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Speaker 3: Like what, it's not a game right now? It really

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Speaker 2: It's like a it's just I don't even know what

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Speaker 2: i'd call it. Really, it's just different events. It's like

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Speaker 2: That's what it is.

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Speaker 4: That's what it is.

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Speaker 5: But then when we last saw it as a game,

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Speaker 5: we really hated it because then we felt like no

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Speaker 5: one was tackling people weren't playing hard and those things.

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Speaker 5: You can't legislate that into the game. You can't legislate

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Speaker 5: with all of these things, whether it's a college football playoff,

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Speaker 5: what people want is something that they can never get.

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Speaker 4: They want every game to hang in the balance.

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Speaker 5: They want every game to have a level of incitement

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Speaker 4: It matches what we see in.

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Speaker 5: have that, particularly the All Star games, because they're exhibitions

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Speaker 5: there's nothing really on the line. Like we can talk

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Speaker 4: It's not the same as playing a Super Bowl with.

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Speaker 5: The championship on the line. I don't think we can

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Speaker 4: No, I think this was really like a special circumstance.

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Speaker 4: We're just in it.

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Speaker 5: We're just in at a different place and people can talk

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Speaker 2: Of so we'll hearing from you, mister Bucket Brooks, the

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Speaker 4: That's it right, that that is what it is.

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Speaker 4: Well, now all these games are broadcast.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's funny because I go back in time

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Speaker 3: But here's the thing. You talked about.

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Speaker 2: The TV ratings are bad in the NBA All Star

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Speaker 5: I mean, we just it's not something that really resonates

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Speaker 2: Agree it was a political event. I mean, the politics

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Speaker 2: But you know what, I want to open the phone

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Speaker 2: I just really, I mean, if you want to look

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Speaker 2: we got the NFL Combine this week. There's more interest

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Speaker 3: Maybe I'm crazy, maybe I'm wrong.

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Speaker 2: I want to know why there are certain sports that

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Speaker 5: When you think about hockey, when you think about soccer

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Speaker 5: And so when we look at hockey and soccer, we

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Speaker 5: don't see a lot of black and brown participants, and

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Speaker 5: never picked up the stick. They've never kicked the ball

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Speaker 3: Throwing tennis and golf too. Throw tennis and golf at.

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Speaker 4: That yeah, and so you don't have those things.

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Speaker 5: And so what you've done is you've narrowed the focus,

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Speaker 5: uh in terms of who you can reach out to.

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Speaker 5: You to increase your fandom and audience in those things,

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Speaker 2: it's okay, go ahead, what do you got?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 8: Just about like why the sports aren't as a as

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Speaker 8: big as a you know, football. I think it's just

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Speaker 7: You know, I.

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Speaker 8: Always see basketball and football guys college and uh the pros,

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Speaker 8: but you never really see any thing like Tani.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: You know what Bucky makes a great point. I mean

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Speaker 2: the fact that there's no visibility with the athletes, even

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Speaker 2: in Major League Baseball. I mean basketball, you can't get

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Speaker 2: away from Stefan Kellery, you can't get away from Lebron.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's all you see.

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Speaker 2: I mean, really baseball is lacking in that hockey I

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Speaker 2: remember the last time I've ever seen a hockey player

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Speaker 2: doing a commercial on TV in Canada. I'm sure I

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Speaker 2: have it, but not here make a great point there,

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Speaker 2: you really do. All right, thank you so much. I

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Speaker 2: guess he's he's gone.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's move it to the National Football League because

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Speaker 2: the Jets, speaking of moving, they just have moved on

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Speaker 2: from quarterback Aaron Rodgers. We know that, but the question is,

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Speaker 2: has Aaron Rodgers moved on from the NFL. Let's look

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Speaker 2: at the possibility. Look at the quarterbacks out there, because

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Speaker 2: you know free agent quarterbacks in the NFL. You got

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Speaker 2: Sam Donald, you got Justin Fields. Impossible trade now to

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Speaker 2: talk about Matthew Stafford, maybe even Derek Carr. But TMZ

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Speaker 2: the other day caught up with Aaron Rodgers. If there

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Speaker 2: are training session in California. He asked about his next destination.

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Speaker 2: This is what this clown said. If they want you,

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Speaker 2: what does that mean? He says, and he also aided

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Speaker 2: if they have a good team. Maybe, Look, he wants

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Speaker 2: to go to a team.

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Speaker 3: If they got a good team, can't he make them

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Speaker 3: a good team? I don't know.

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Speaker 2: But if the team good, why are they looking for

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Speaker 2: a quarterback? If a team is good, why would they

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Speaker 2: want Aaron Rodgers? Tell me what's the story with Aaron

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Speaker 2: Rodgers right now.

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Speaker 5: I mean, look, he's a four time MVP, but the

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Speaker 5: results haven't been good the last couple of years. He's

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Speaker 5: over forty, he's dealt with a lower leg injury, with

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Speaker 5: an achilles, He's been hu hum at best on the field.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what the.

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Speaker 5: Market is like for an older player in the twilight

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Speaker 5: who's just playing okay. And then when you think about

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Speaker 5: some of the other baggage that comes with him, you know,

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Speaker 5: like he doesn't appear to be the greatest chemistry builder,

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Speaker 5: culture creator when he steps into the locker room.

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Speaker 4: He also appears to be a little.

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Speaker 5: Confrontational when it comes to coaches and coachability and all

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Speaker 5: those things. I just don't know who wants to sign

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Speaker 5: up for that. It has to be a head coach

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Speaker 5: who is a strong head coach, who is very entrenched

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Speaker 5: in the program, who has the willingness to not only

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Speaker 5: take him off, but to coach him hord like he

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Speaker 5: needs to be coached. There are a few situations that

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Speaker 5: are optimal that have those that criteria already fell out,

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Speaker 5: So I'm curious to see where he lands.

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Speaker 2: I got to ask you, this, is there a correlation

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Speaker 2: on this really is a stretch. The older a player

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Speaker 2: gets in the National Football League, the harder it is

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Speaker 2: to coach him. A. He's set in his ways. B

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Speaker 2: he thinks he knows it all I mean. And I

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Speaker 2: go back to a situation back in Cincinnati. I remember

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Speaker 2: when Boomer as Siason was quarterback and they brought in

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Speaker 2: Danta Bible as a quarterback coach. Danta Bible had really

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Speaker 2: no track record as a national football and the quarterback

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Speaker 2: and Boomer had kind of butted heads with him because

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Speaker 2: I don't think Boomer wanted to take any any coaching tactics.

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Speaker 3: From this guy.

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Speaker 2: And Boomer was in the league for several years and

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Speaker 2: he knew what he was doing. Have you seen that

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Speaker 2: over the years that the older are play against. The

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Speaker 2: longer he's in the league, the harder it is to

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Speaker 2: coach that guy.

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Speaker 3: He's setting his ways.

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Speaker 5: The older they are in, the more status they have,

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Speaker 5: it becomes harder to coach them because in their eyes,

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Speaker 5: when Aaron Rodgers views his tape, he doesn't see a

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Speaker 5: declining player. He sees the four time MVP who he

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Speaker 5: believes is still the.

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Speaker 4: Best player in the league.

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Speaker 5: And it's hard sometimes to get older players star players

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Speaker 5: to acknowledge their strengths and weaknesses, but to really point

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Speaker 5: out their flaws and explain to them why you have

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Speaker 5: to do certain things to compensate for their weaknesses and

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Speaker 5: how they need to play for the team to win

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Speaker 5: because they're no longer capable of doing it the way

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Speaker 5: that they used to do it in yesteryear. Those conversations

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Speaker 5: can be difficult, but also you have to have complete

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Speaker 5: buy in from the player to participate in a conversation

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Speaker 5: like that. Will they trust you when you say those

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Speaker 5: words about them not being good enough in certain areas

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Speaker 5: those things? Trust is everything, And with an older player

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Speaker 5: sometimes they can be slow to trust because they've had

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Speaker 5: a lot of success in either previous systems or doing

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Speaker 5: it their way.

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Speaker 2: You got to believe that Aaron Rodgers right now, in

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Speaker 2: his mind, right in the cave that he's probably living

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Speaker 2: in right now, he does not want to go out

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Speaker 2: the way he went out this year. He knows Tom

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Speaker 2: Brady went out with a Super Bowl in Tampa. Okay,

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Speaker 2: he can't have that for his legacy. He can't do it.

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Speaker 2: So let's look at the free agent situation. Just what

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Speaker 2: if Sam Donald Minnesota? If hessigns with another team. Would

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Speaker 2: the Vikings be a viable place for Aaron Rodgers. Look

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Speaker 2: at the Pittsburgh Steelers. They went a veteran. They had

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Speaker 2: a veteran right now, Russell Wilson. If Wilson goes free agent,

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Speaker 2: can you see Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 3: I can't.

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Speaker 2: I cannot see him in Pittsburgh with the coaching staff there,

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Speaker 2: there's no way. There's no way he goes to Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: I don't think, but I think it's a possibility. Maybe

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Speaker 2: in Minnesota.

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Speaker 4: I don't think he fits in Minnesota.

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Speaker 5: I mean unless he's trying to do to complete Brett

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Speaker 5: New York to Minnesota like Brett Farbes did.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't see that.

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Speaker 5: I think with Kevin O'Connell, you're more intrigued by giving

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Speaker 5: it to JJ McCarthy if you don't hand it back

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Speaker 5: to Sam Donald.

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Speaker 4: I can't see Aaron Rodgers benefit there.

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Speaker 5: Maybe in la replacing Matthew Stafford, that's more of a

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Speaker 5: possibility because of Sean McVay the relationship, But they have

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Speaker 5: created and established with the Rams where he Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 5: wouldn't come in and upset.

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Speaker 4: The Apple Court.

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Speaker 5: He would just be a cog in the wheel, which

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Speaker 5: is also really important because if you're wholly dependent upon him,

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Speaker 5: all the power, all the juice goes to Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 5: He no longer can be trusted with that kind of power.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: I mentioned two quarterbacks right now, you know, throwing a

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Speaker 2: lot of barbs out there, if you will, the other

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Speaker 2: ones that Miami Hurricanes, quart Bay cam Ward Okay, And

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Speaker 2: he said it's crazy. I mean the egos that some

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Speaker 2: of these guys have. And I haven't even put the

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Speaker 2: uniform on the National All League and said, quote, if

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Speaker 2: you don't draft me, that's you, that's your fourth And

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Speaker 2: it's amazing.

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Speaker 3: He's the same guy.

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Speaker 2: And I'm looking at him right now. He didn't take

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Speaker 2: the field for the second half of the Pop TODs

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Speaker 2: Bowl in December, and Miami ended up losing that game

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Speaker 2: to Iowa.

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Speaker 3: Stay forty two forty.

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Speaker 2: One, Right, And I'm saying to myself, do I want

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Speaker 2: a guy like that in my club? I really don't know.

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Speaker 2: I Mean, here's the deal. Got good skilled, no doubt

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Speaker 2: he could. He's a gun slinger. He could throw the football.

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Speaker 3: But where's your heart? How do you turn your back?

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Speaker 3: On your teammage.

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Speaker 2: You didn't play in the second half, you know you're

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Speaker 2: better off not playing at all than doing what he did.

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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 4: I think a lot has been made of this.

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Speaker 5: I think it has been overblown about the Bowl game participation.

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Speaker 5: I'll tell you from the NFL scouting community part of it.

666
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Speaker 5: No one cares when these guys don't participate in bowl games.

667
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Speaker 5: He did Miami a solid by even going and playing

668
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Speaker 5: in the Bowl game, which was, let's call it what

669
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Speaker 5: it is, a meaningless bowling game.

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Speaker 4: Meaningless bowl game.

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Speaker 5: Didn't she Miami's play didn't put them in national championship contention.

672
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Speaker 5: There is more to lose for cam Ward than the game.

673
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Speaker 5: People may not like to hear that, but that's the truth.

674
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Speaker 5: And we are in a different era when once Christian

675
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Speaker 5: McCaffrey and some of the other guys set out the

676
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Speaker 5: games bowl games, absence and participation matters little when it

677
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Speaker 5: comes to the NFL radar and what they think. What

678
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Speaker 5: does matter, though, is cam Ward's talent, his tenacity, his performance,

679
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Speaker 5: and how he can elevate franchises. When you look at

680
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Speaker 5: his history incarnate Ward, Washington State, Miami.

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Speaker 4: Remember this was a zero.

682
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Speaker 5: Star recruit, who had exceptional success, tremendous success at each

683
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Speaker 5: of those three spots. He's an alpha dog leader who

684
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Speaker 5: backs it up with his actions. To me, there's going

685
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Speaker 5: to be a very robust market for cam Ward because

686
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Speaker 5: he not only has the talent and the tools to

687
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Speaker 5: get it done, he has the tenacity that you must

688
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Speaker 5: have to be a franchise.

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Speaker 2: I'll say this, and I haven't heard this anywhere. I

690
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Speaker 2: haven't read this anywhere. That money, and they say money

691
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Speaker 2: is the root of evil. Money has killed sports. Money

692
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Speaker 2: is killing college sports right now with the nil Money

693
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Speaker 2: is killed the National Football League.

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Speaker 3: Not for the players. I'm happy.

695
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Speaker 2: I'm happy for these guys making big money. Make as

696
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Speaker 2: much as you can grab it while you can. But

697
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Speaker 2: the money has killed it because because of the money,

698
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Speaker 2: people are very cautious because.

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Speaker 3: Of the money.

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Speaker 2: The bowl game, the Pro Bowl stinks because of the

701
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Speaker 2: money of the NBA All Star Game stinks because of

702
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Speaker 2: the money.

703
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Speaker 3: All these bowl games.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna go away because you're fearful as a player

705
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Speaker 2: to play in that game and jeopardize a long term

706
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Speaker 2: contract at the next level in the National Football League.

707
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Speaker 2: So money in one in one sense has been great

708
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Speaker 2: for the players so no doubt about that. They're living

709
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Speaker 2: high on the hog. But on the other hand, the

710
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Speaker 2: money has killed the game. And maybe from the first

711
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 2: point of view, it's killed it. Money is killing it,

712
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Speaker 2: and no one has said that, but it's true.

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Speaker 5: Okay, well mine can you will be If money's killing

714
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Speaker 5: it and the money was still coming in, who's supposed

715
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Speaker 5: to get it? The owners, the NCAA, the institutions and

716
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Speaker 5: those things. The players are not supposed to have a

717
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Speaker 5: part of it, because yeah, with holding money makes them hungrier,

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Speaker 5: so they participate at a more intense level.

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Speaker 4: No, that's not it.

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Speaker 5: I would say one the reason why it was a

721
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Speaker 5: problem is because the greed uh and not wanting to

722
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Speaker 5: share uh, the pie that prevented everything and created resentment

723
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Speaker 5: and all this stuff towards players, which has now made

724
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Speaker 5: it where everyone is operating with a mercenary mindset when

725
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 5: it comes to their sport and participating in those things.

726
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Speaker 5: So we lost some of the core values of team

727
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Speaker 5: because we were on a team when it came to

728
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Speaker 5: splitting the money with our teammates, the players. So now

729
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Speaker 5: we want to go back and we want them to

730
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Speaker 5: continue to worry and care about the team. But it's

731
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 5: too late to do that because now we've created this

732
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Speaker 5: system where everyone's a professional and everyone is about themselves,

733
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Speaker 5: so it's gonna be hard to get some of.

734
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Speaker 4: Those things back. What we also have to.

735
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Speaker 5: Embrace is it's not just at the collegiate and pro levels.

736
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Speaker 5: Anty these problems are at the lower levels. Youth football, basketball, AAU,

737
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,240
Speaker 5: high school basketball, travel ball, baseball, all these things.

738
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Speaker 4: You have parents and kids who are.

739
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Speaker 5: Bouncing around from team to team looking for better opportunities.

740
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Speaker 5: When you create those habits early, do we think those

741
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Speaker 5: habits are gonna change late.

742
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Speaker 4: No.

743
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Speaker 5: So everyone has allowed their selfishness to ruin some of

744
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Speaker 5: the sports that we know and love. But it's not

745
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Speaker 5: just at the higher levels. It starts at the lower levels,

746
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 5: and that mindset, that mentality is Look, it is poisoning

747
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:01,439
Speaker 5: the sport and all these sports at the lower level

748
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 5: because everyone is inherently selfish and they're not doing for

749
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Speaker 5: the greater good. They're doing specifically for themselves and what

750
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Speaker 5: they hope to accomplish. What goes against all the team

751
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Speaker 5: sports values that we've been tosked since we were.

752
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 2: Little, and we've seen many college coaches walk away from

753
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Speaker 2: the game, the game that they love. They've coached because

754
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 2: of that. We've seen it. They can't handle it. I mean,

755
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Speaker 2: we just we saw that with Welch Jim Laernega in

756
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Speaker 2: the middle of the season coaching Miami of Florida basketball.

757
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 2: You know, he had a team last year and went

758
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Speaker 2: to the final four.

759
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 3: They all left.

760
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 2: He asked the team, he asked them, point blank, why

761
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 2: don't you like Miami? Yeah, we love Miami, but there's

762
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 2: places out there we could get more.

763
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Speaker 4: Money.

764
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Speaker 2: Killed him and he said, you know what, I've had it.

765
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 2: He walked away many Jay Wright, my Villanova. You don't

766
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 2: think he walked away because of the money, the nil

767
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 2: of course he did. That's why these guys are walking away.

768
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 2: Something's got to give, you know that buckets, something's gonna give.

769
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Speaker 4: Yeah, some's got to give. Now, We'll say this.

770
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Speaker 5: In some of those cases, I feel like some of

771
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Speaker 5: those cases, the coaches.

772
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 4: Are being whimpy. You know. I think some of the coaches.

773
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,879
Speaker 5: Don't want to adapted to a new generation of kids.

774
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 5: They can't adapt. Here's what we've seen over the last week.

775
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 5: We saw a clip go viral with Rick Patino at

776
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Speaker 5: Saint John's.

777
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 4: We saw Rick.

778
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Speaker 5: Patito using old school and an old school approach, old

779
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 5: school values to reach his team as they were down

780
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 5: at halftime, and he talked about their toughness in those things.

781
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 5: Rick Patino certainly understands how to coach kids hard despite

782
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 5: the money that they're making. Look, he said it this

783
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 5: week too. I'm not recruiting anymore high school kids.

784
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 4: We're gonna live in the portal. That's just kind of

785
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Speaker 4: the way it goes.

786
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Speaker 5: And what I would tell you is the money should

787
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Speaker 5: empower old school coaches to do it. Because here's why

788
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 5: we heard Rick Barrn say this, and it kind of

789
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Speaker 5: went under the radar.

790
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 4: Rick Barnes had.

791
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Speaker 5: A player who he diagrammed a player played for he

792
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 5: didn't shoot it. In the press conference, they asked him,

793
00:36:58,239 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 5: why did you lay into the player?

794
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 4: He said, he's paid to do these things.

795
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 5: Well, now, if you're a professional, I can hold you

796
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 5: even more accountable. So to me, Jay Wright and those

797
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 5: other guys kind of missed the boat because once we

798
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 5: have that transaction where you're getting paid, I can coach

799
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Speaker 5: you harder because it's employer employee when it comes to

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Speaker 5: the relationship.

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Speaker 3: And I'll leave you at this.

802
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Speaker 2: There's another coach there that really got in the face

803
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 2: of his team and he turned them around. Mick Cronin

804
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 2: at UCLA, he did it, and he took a page

805
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 2: out of Rick Patino because he was Rick Patino's assistant

806
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 2: in Louisville. That's what he did. Ucla had some problems.

807
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,479
Speaker 2: We just went in their face.

808
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 3: They turned it around. There we go.

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Speaker 2: He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Andy Firmerwell Fox Sports Sunday on

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 6: And we got the questions we do, He's got the answers.

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Speaker 2: All right, this is Fox Sports Sunday on Fox Sputs.

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Speaker 2: They will life from the tire Rack dot com studios.

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Speaker 2: He's Bucky Brooks. How many Furman right now? It's not

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Speaker 2: fast Bucky and Bucky. We're gonna talk a little bit

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Speaker 2: about NFL free agency right around the corner, and it's

821
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 2: getting heavy and heavy duty there. We got some players

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Speaker 2: out there, and I've of some wondered. I often wonder

823
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Speaker 2: that these players who are free agents are they more

824
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Speaker 2: into the money or are they more into like where

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Speaker 2: would I be a better fit?

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Speaker 3: So I'm gonna ask you.

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Speaker 2: I'll give you the name of the player, and you

828
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Speaker 2: tell me where they may end up and if they're

829
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Speaker 2: a good fit there. I'm gonna throw out from the

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati Bengals, T Higgins, who might be the best free

831
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 2: agent out there, most valuable at least.

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Speaker 3: What do you think about T Higgins? His best fit?

833
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 4: What do you think he may end up Cincinnati?

834
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 5: Because that's where Joe Burrow wants them, and that's where

835
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 5: they can pay him. So I'm gonna say Cincinnati's did

836
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Speaker 5: best spot for T Higgins?

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Speaker 4: All right? To hear it?

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00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 2: Because I was thinking maybe if the money was good

839
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Speaker 2: and they don't slap that figure on him. I don't

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Speaker 2: know twenty six mili ever, it may be they go

841
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Speaker 2: to the Charges. I think they need they need a receiver.

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00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 2: You know, they need a receiver for Justin Herbert, So

843
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 2: I think he'd be a good fit there. But let's

844
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 2: move along to Stefan Diggs. Stefan Diggs right now, he's

845
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Speaker 2: with the Texans, and I guess the best fit in

846
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Speaker 2: my heart of hearts, would be to stay there, but

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Speaker 2: we'll see what happens. What do you think about Stefan Diggs.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's a little more challenging because he's coming off

849
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Speaker 5: an injury. The Texans would probably be the better place

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Speaker 5: for him, like their handful of teams that that need it.

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Speaker 5: But I think Stefan is a better suited to stay

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Speaker 5: with the Houston Texas.

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Speaker 2: All right, Now, quarterbacks Russell Wilson, all right, what about him?

854
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 2: Last year's with the Steelers, as he stayed with the Steelers.

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00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,479
Speaker 2: They're going to bring back Wilson or Fields. What's gonna

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Speaker 2: happen there with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

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Speaker 5: I think the Steelers probably end up taking justin Field,

858
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Speaker 5: so that leaves Russell Wilson to be on the market.

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Speaker 5: Maybe Russell Wilson's end up in New York and the Giants.

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Speaker 2: All right, Sam Darnold, we've mentioned him early on today

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Speaker 2: in Minnesota Vikings, does he go?

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Speaker 3: Does he stay? What happens there?

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Speaker 4: Sam Dono goes to the Las Vegas Raiders?

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Speaker 3: Really? All right?

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Speaker 2: So quarterbacks the Minnesota Vikings JJ JJ McCarthy.

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Speaker 4: JJ McCarthy takes over All right, that's what we do.

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882
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 3: It's all together. It's cornucopia of sports.

883
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 2: I don't ever remember everything merging into one like it

884
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 2: has this past week. And then we got obviously in

885
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks Selection Sunday and TAA Basketball. I'm

886
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 2: not going to say it's too much. I think it's great.

887
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 2: Everybody has an opportunity to corischm Morgan's board. Take your pick,

888
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 2: do what you want to do. I mean it's very

889
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 2: difficult for me to stay on top of all of it.

890
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 3: What about you?

891
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, I mean like more is better when we

892
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 5: think about the adoptions that we have when it for

893
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 5: our viewing habits, whatever sports you wanted to see, you

894
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 5: were able to kind of get a glimpse of it.

895
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 5: We had a little talk about baseball. We have basketball

896
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 5: and for Earnest not on NBA but college. And we're

897
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 5: continuing to have these conversations about the NFL as we're

898
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 5: getting up for the combine and free agency.

899
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 2: I even saw corn Hole on TV last night, and

900
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 2: that I watched it, but I was just, you know,

901
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 2: channel surfing and turning around. I see corn hole. So

902
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 2: everybody's getting involved. Everything is on TV. I guess they

903
00:41:58,320 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 2: need programming, that's what they need.

904
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 3: But and catchers.

905
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 2: They reported the spring training last week, and you know

906
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 2: who else reported robots? Robuts reported the spring training. Balls

907
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 2: and strikes to be called by ROBUTS also known as

908
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 2: ABS Automated Ball Strike System the ABS.

909
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,240
Speaker 3: Can it survive? Should survive?

910
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 2: If I'm an umpire right now making good bucks that

911
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 2: make good six figure salaries plus vacation time during the season.

912
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 2: I'm worried. I'm worried that I'm going to be eliminated.

913
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 2: Your take on that, because if I'm an umpire, I'm

914
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 2: a little p old right now. I don't want an

915
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 2: automated robot taking my place.

916
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 5: I mean, this is taking place in every industry or

917
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 5: across the country. AI is real, Artificial intelligence is real,

918
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 5: and if it starts to permeate sports.

919
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 4: You're going to see robots in place.

920
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 5: Because there is this desire for fans and some coaches

921
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 5: to want every game called perfectly, to not have human

922
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 5: element in a game where the mistakes are part of

923
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 5: the fabric of the game, and to live with those things.

924
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 4: We want perfection.

925
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 5: We talk about technology and all those things, and so

926
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 5: the only way to achieve perfection is to remove the

927
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 5: human element of the game and to put someone behind

928
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 5: the plate that can call it in unbiased fashion. And

929
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 5: so that's why we're talking about the robots and those

930
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 5: things that are calling the ball and strikes because it

931
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 5: was such a huge.

932
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 4: Deal in public. So now we're trying to fix it.

933
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 2: I hear what you're saying, and now I'm going to

934
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 2: go back to yesteryear because maybe you know, maybe I'm

935
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 2: the only one that thinks this, but I do remember

936
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:41,280
Speaker 2: situations when there were paid calls, and it happens because

937
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 2: humans do make mistakes. That's when we have erasers on

938
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 2: pencils now make mistakes. But when it happened, you get

939
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 2: guys like Earl Weaver used to manage the Baltimore Oriials.

940
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 2: Turn this cap around backwards. I could see it like

941
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 2: it was yesterday. Come out there and kick all that

942
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 2: dirt off a home plate. Then you had Louke Panelo

943
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 2: when he managed the Cincinnati Reds. He picked up a

944
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 2: base and pitch it out into right field. These are

945
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 2: antics that happen that guess they were associated with baseball.

946
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 3: And negative go away.

947
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 2: I thought it was fun. I thought it was gonna

948
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 2: make baseball more like a carnival. And maybe that's what

949
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 2: they don't want anymore.

950
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 3: I don't know.

951
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 2: I mean, I get it, there's gonna be mistakes that happens.

952
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 2: You know, humans do make mistakes. But to replace everybody

953
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 2: with automated umpires, I got a problem with that, I

954
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 2: really do.

955
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 5: I mean, that's just the way it's going. We want perfection,

956
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 5: we want everything to be right. We don't have time

957
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 5: for the games, as you said, like Lupenella throwing it

958
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 5: out there. I mean, we don't like those things. We

959
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 5: want serious. We're serious about our sports. We wanted to

960
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 5: be perfect all the time. There's a betting element that's

961
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 5: an undertone behind some of these things. So that's what

962
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 5: we're trending towards. Right, We're trending towards trying to make

963
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 5: it as sterile as possible with these games, that they're

964
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 5: not influenced by the human element that computers run it,

965
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 5: so we can have a level playing field at all times.

966
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 2: I have not yet watched this spring training game, but

967
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 2: it's started this spring. Major League Baseball gives US players

968
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 2: a chance to test out the ABS challenge in games

969
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 2: all over Florida and in Arizona, and the dry run

970
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 2: began this past Thursday in that nationally televised Cactus League

971
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:13,720
Speaker 2: game with the Cubs and the Dodgers.

972
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 3: Did you get a chance to see it? I did not.

973
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 3: I did not watch with the ABS.

974
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 5: I did not have an opportunity to watch it. I

975
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 5: know that was coming, but I didn't get a chance

976
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 5: to watch it. So I don't have like an actual

977
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 5: accounting of Hey, this is what it looks like.

978
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 4: Here's the ya's and a's to it.

979
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,479
Speaker 2: And the good news is that Major League Baseball said

980
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 2: that it may be coming a twenty twenty six, but

981
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 2: not necessarily. The arrival date for the ABS still remains uncertain,

982
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 2: and the league might want to postpone it because it

983
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 2: gets to the other side of the labor crisis and

984
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:49,919
Speaker 2: that's going to happen in two years.

985
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:50,399
Speaker 3: Who knows.

986
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 2: But I think they want a lot of fan feedback

987
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 2: on this, and I think the fans really and truly

988
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 2: would really want to remain with the umpires. Maybe I'm wrong.

989
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 2: I don't think the fans want the ABS. They want

990
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 2: to see, you know, players and umpires arguing with them.

991
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 2: With the umpires, they really do want to see that.

992
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know.

993
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 5: I mean, I think there's more of a thing in

994
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 5: terms of trying to get it right. More of the

995
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 5: complaining that I hear is the strike.

996
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 4: Zone is changed.

997
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 5: For one guy, it's this, for another guy is that,

998
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 5: And the lack of consistency makes it hard for players

999
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 5: to adapt, meaning pictures to adapt to the ever changing

1000
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 5: strike zone with a computer or robot whatever it is

1001
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 5: is established, it never changes and you can get the

1002
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 5: desired results because you do have a consistent presence and

1003
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 5: a consistent standard that you have to meet.

1004
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 3: Okay, now look, I get it.

1005
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 2: They want the fan feedback, and that's could be a

1006
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 2: big deal of the challenging of that. There's be a

1007
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 2: concern with the time. You know, if a baseball player

1008
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 2: challenges the ABS call on a ball or strike, it's

1009
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 2: going to take time away. Okay, Baseball did a great

1010
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 2: thing recently by shortening the game, but maybe about a

1011
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 2: half hour with the pitch clock, they come back with

1012
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 2: the ABS they're gonna do and everything they did that

1013
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 2: was good about the game by shortening it. To me,

1014
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 2: I didn't really care much for the pitch clock.

1015
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 3: I really did.

1016
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 4: Why.

1017
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 2: I think the beauty of the game with baseball has

1018
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,399
Speaker 2: always been the fact that it's timeless. It's the only

1019
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,280
Speaker 2: major sports out there that does not have a clock.

1020
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 2: I know people are gonna say, well, golf doesn't have

1021
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 2: a clock, Tennis really doesn't.

1022
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 3: You know, bowling doesn't have a clock.

1023
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 2: But the major team sports do not have you know,

1024
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 2: they all have a time clock except baseball and baseball

1025
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 2: under the stunt is a beautiful game because it's timeless.

1026
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 2: Now they got the pitching clock. I guess everybody's in

1027
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 2: a hurry. So they got the clock. Now that really helped.

1028
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 2: Do we need gimmicks? That's the thing we shorten the

1029
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 2: game of baseball? Does the game of baseball need gimmicks?

1030
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 2: Because now the next gimmu is the golden at bat rule?

1031
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 2: All right, what is it? A coach can choose to

1032
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 2: send any better to the plate instead of a player

1033
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 2: on deck. All right, this could happen anytime during the game,

1034
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 2: but maybe in the late innings. Okay, the benefits kind

1035
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 2: of be me more drama. Okay, fans may enjoy seeingle

1036
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 2: start playing bat in the close game. Do we need

1037
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,399
Speaker 2: gimmicks like this? Bucket Brooks? Do we have to have

1038
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:11,320
Speaker 2: a golden at bat rule? Hey, if we've got to

1039
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 2: have a golden at bat rule, why don't we have

1040
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 2: a golden picture rule?

1041
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 3: Right? Put your own picture in there for a certain move.

1042
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 3: I don't get it.

1043
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:23,439
Speaker 2: I don't understand why sports have to have gimmicks.

1044
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 4: Because people don't tune in.

1045
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 5: So for baseball in particular, you can never control how

1046
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 5: long the game was going to last. So let's talk

1047
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 5: about for TV viewing football games. You kind of know,

1048
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 5: right if I'm watching a one o'clock game, by four

1049
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 5: point thirty, another game is going to come on. It's

1050
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 5: probably about a three hour and fifteen minute game. We

1051
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 5: know what that is, and so TV could account for

1052
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 5: it and schedule baseball. Prior to some of these changes

1053
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 5: that I quickened the game, you didn't know if you're

1054
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 5: gonna see a four hour game or two hour game.

1055
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 5: From a TV executive standpoint, how do you plan for that?

1056
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 5: From a fan who likes baseball? But you're like, man,

1057
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 5: I got to give you four hours to watch this game.

1058
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,280
Speaker 5: If you can give it to me in a condensed

1059
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 5: fashion two two and a half, maybe I'm all in

1060
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 5: and tuning in. Some of this is to appeal to

1061
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 5: a younger fan base that has a short attention span.

1062
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 5: When I watch my kids move, move things around and YouTube,

1063
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 5: they don't finish the entire video and they're on to

1064
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 5: the next. That's what you have in watching these games.

1065
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 5: It's partially by design to keep the younger audience engaged

1066
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 5: and also to speed up a game that sometimes can

1067
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 5: drag out when you would like to see people like, hey,

1068
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 5: let's go quit throwing over the first base. Either you

1069
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 5: throw over and get them out, or when you address

1070
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 5: the pitch like a rest the hitter.

1071
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 4: So I am okay with the changes. Doesn't bother me

1072
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:42,879
Speaker 4: at all.

1073
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 2: Okay, you're told about your kids and they don't have

1074
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 2: like there wasn't a rush. Why is that typical with

1075
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 2: the younger generation? Now you coach, you coach a lot

1076
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 2: of youngsters right now.

1077
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 3: Do you see that? I mean, why is that? What happened?

1078
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 3: What was the change?

1079
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, I don't see young kids

1080
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 2: sitting down and reading a book. I don't see that

1081
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,240
Speaker 2: happening anymore. I really don't. I mean, I don't understand

1082
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 2: how libraries even remain open. I guess they remound it

1083
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 2: open up because people use it for computers. That's why

1084
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,359
Speaker 2: to go to the libraries. Now they don't read books anymore, right, Yeah, the.

1085
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 5: World is changing, uh And the world changed with the

1086
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:24,240
Speaker 5: advent and explosion of technology, phones, iPads, all those things

1087
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 5: that allowed us to have things in the touch of

1088
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 5: our hand.

1089
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 4: It quickened our clock. Also, our habits.

1090
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 5: Changed when it came to being able to access YouTube

1091
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 5: and Google and research.

1092
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 4: We don't have.

1093
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 5: I would say not the work ethic, but the depth

1094
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:41,879
Speaker 5: to be able to Hey, let me figure it out.

1095
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:43,839
Speaker 5: Let me go to a cyclopedia, let me go dig

1096
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 5: deep into these books to find the answers to my things.

1097
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 5: Everything has become rush fast food, all of it. So

1098
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 5: the world has changed, and that has changed the habits

1099
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 5: of young people, which impacts what we all present.

1100
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 4: You know, on our side.

1101
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 2: I'm going to say something and if you want you

1102
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,760
Speaker 2: could laugh, go ahead. What I'm learning from you today

1103
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 2: and what we talked about going way back with the

1104
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 2: four team hockey tournament which is on Thursday night at

1105
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 2: the USA B Canada. You know where we see the

1106
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 2: changing the changing face of sports right now, speed whatever

1107
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 2: it may be, because of people who run these sports

1108
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 2: leagues are fifty years of age and up, commissioners, whatever

1109
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 2: it may be. They don't have a feel, they have

1110
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 2: no clue what the younger people of our country really want.

1111
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,439
Speaker 2: They're trying like the Rob Manford deal with the gold

1112
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 2: in at back Room, which he says he's going to

1113
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 2: put on hold for right now as of December.

1114
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 3: I think he said he's not currently considering it.

1115
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 2: But they probably need to get some youngsters involved, kids

1116
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 2: in their twenties, even get on staff to say we

1117
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 2: really need to do this.

1118
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:51,760
Speaker 3: You want to change. I get it.

1119
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 2: Change is good and you want to change, but they

1120
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 2: don't know how to change. That's the problem. The National

1121
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 2: Basketball Association. They need to change. Too many three point goals,

1122
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 2: that's the way they play the game. These teams that

1123
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 2: combine for ninety plus three's a game?

1124
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 3: You know, change it? Do you know how?

1125
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 2: No, Get the youngsters. They'll tell you how to do it.

1126
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 2: Am I wrong on that? Get some young guys, Get

1127
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 2: some young blood in these leagues, and they'll tell you

1128
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 2: what the leagues need. All I hear about the National

1129
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 2: Basketball Association, why it's going down the Crapper and the

1130
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,399
Speaker 2: ratings are down on TV because they don't have any

1131
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 2: new young superstars. Well, promote them, promote them, promote the man,

1132
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 2: all right, promote these guys. Do you know people have

1133
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,839
Speaker 2: seen enough of Lebron and Steph Curry, they've seen them.

1134
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,479
Speaker 3: Move on, move on from those guys. Am I wrong

1135
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 3: on that?

1136
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 4: Look?

1137
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 5: I think it's a little bit not only just moving on.

1138
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 4: I think it's embracing new stuff.

1139
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 5: We now live in a streaming world, so you've got

1140
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 5: to make sure that your product appears on streams. We

1141
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 5: have a lot of people that consume their TV and

1142
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 5: content viewing on their phone, so it has to be

1143
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 5: digitized to make it easy on the eyes. If it

1144
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 5: is a small screen experience, all of those things factor in.

1145
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:08,879
Speaker 4: But it's either adapt or die.

1146
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 5: Either you adapt to the changing circumstances or you're gonna

1147
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 5: die and be left behind. That's just the way that

1148
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 5: we have to operate in business and sports, all of

1149
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 5: those things.

1150
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 4: It has to be the same intel.

1151
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 2: You know, people love, they want to You know why

1152
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 2: soccer has been popular in the MLS not because the

1153
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 2: game is so great, because I worked in the North

1154
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 2: American Soccer League may at Rest in Peace and it

1155
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 2: was fairly popular. I mean we played teams we played with,

1156
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 2: We played the New York I worked for the Fort

1157
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 2: loader Dale Strikers and we went to New York. We

1158
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 2: played the Cosmos. All right, we get seventy thousand people there.

1159
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 2: You know, out of the seventy thousand and sixty five

1160
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 2: thousand didn't speak English in the stands. That's you know,

1161
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 2: New York City's a melting pot and no really, and

1162
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 2: they were foreigners who loved the sport of soccer. They

1163
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 2: grew up with it. But why is the MLS all

1164
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 2: of a sudden exciting. The stars were better in the

1165
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 2: North American League. They had Pele, they had the Canaglia

1166
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 2: that all these guys, they're great.

1167
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 3: George Best was.

1168
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 2: On forload of dale with when I worked there. We

1169
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 2: have better players, But why is it more popular now?

1170
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 2: Because people realize when they go to a soccer game,

1171
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 2: if the game starts at seven o'clock, they'll be hold

1172
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 2: by nine running clock, two forty five minute halves. They

1173
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 2: have to get in there and get out. Go to

1174
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,720
Speaker 2: a baseball game, it starts at one in the afternoon.

1175
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 2: You may not go until six, may go extra endys.

1176
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 2: You know, you know what's gonna happen with baseball. I

1177
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 2: thought that was beautiful. You don't know. But people right

1178
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 2: now are in a hurry. And that's why MLS is successful.

1179
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 2: Not because the game is so great. The game hasn't changed.

1180
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 2: Still eleven guys on the soccer team. And still if

1181
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 2: you go to the toilet during the game, they score

1182
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 2: a goal and you lose one. Nothing you miss it.

1183
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 2: You know, you got to stay on top of the action,

1184
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 2: you know. But the point is that they know families know, well,

1185
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,280
Speaker 2: seven o'clock will get there, we'll be home by nine.

1186
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 3: Two hours. Boom, that's it.

1187
00:54:56,440 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 4: Agreed, you get all the way out. Sorry, Andy, Oh

1188
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 4: I lost.

1189
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 3: No, I'm just saying we just repeat it.

1190
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 4: No.

1191
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 2: The success of of Major League soccer not so much

1192
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:09,439
Speaker 2: of the game itself or the players, the fact that

1193
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,720
Speaker 2: people know that if they get there for seven o'clock kickoff,

1194
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 2: they'll be hauled by nine.

1195
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 4: And that said, yeah, it is.

1196
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 5: What we talked about is being able to fit the

1197
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 5: boxes right from a viewing standpoint, is being able to

1198
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 5: build your evening around Okay, this game starts to seven,

1199
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 5: it's gonna end a nine.

1200
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 4: Then we can go do X, Y and Z. Football

1201
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 4: is very.

1202
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 5: Much like that we talk about the boxes that they

1203
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 5: feel it takes about three hours and fifteen minutes to

1204
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 5: play in the NFL football game. Bat baseball had too

1205
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 5: big of a variance from two hours to four hours

1206
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 5: depending on pitchers and hitters and how the game plan goes.

1207
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 5: So in trying to make it where it always can

1208
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:50,439
Speaker 5: fit into a like a subscribed time window, I think

1209
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 5: that is the goal. And the speed of play also

1210
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 5: is for the generation that has a short attension span

1211
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 5: when it would take these long lags in between pitches. Man,

1212
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 5: it's hard to sit in there for eight to nine

1213
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 5: pitch at bat when the guys always stepping out of

1214
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 5: the box, the pitch is always throwing over the first base,

1215
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,919
Speaker 5: or you know, going through their routine. It takes a lot,

1216
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 5: so you kind of want to have some pace and

1217
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,359
Speaker 5: urgency to the game, so you can't fit it in

1218
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 5: within those those time blocks that are on the counter.

1219
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 2: The biggest thing Major League Baseball did in the last

1220
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,720
Speaker 2: maybe ten to fifteen years is to eliminate double headers.

1221
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 2: And the reason given to the general public was, well,

1222
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 2: the Major League Baseball owners wanted to get two admissions.

1223
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:31,879
Speaker 2: They didn't want to make you pay, or they didn't

1224
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,240
Speaker 2: want people to pay one admissionancy two games.

1225
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 9: No.

1226
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 2: I mean, they should have came back and said, we're

1227
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 2: doing it for you, the fans, because we didn't want

1228
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 2: to have you to sit through two games. As a kid,

1229
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 2: I went to double headers at Yankee Stadium. All right,

1230
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 2: first pitch is one o'clock. I get home eight o'clock

1231
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:48,760
Speaker 2: at night. I never thought twice about it. Now people

1232
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 2: don't want to do that no more double headers. That's

1233
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 2: the way it is. And it's not because of the emissions.

1234
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 2: Maybe that's part of the reason, but I think it

1235
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 2: was a great thing to adapt to the public right

1236
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 2: now because, as you say, they don't have the time

1237
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 2: spend or they don't want to spend the time, all

1238
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 2: that time sitting at a baseball stadium watching two games

1239
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 2: in one shot.

1240
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 3: That's the way it is, and.

1241
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 5: It is the way it is, and it's the way

1242
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 5: it's going to continue to be, and we have to

1243
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 5: just be okay with that.

1244
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 4: Andy.

1245
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 5: It's one of those things that like, as the world

1246
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 5: continues to change and as we're looking at the viewing habits,

1247
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 5: and I will say this, like people just have to

1248
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 5: look around and look at what the kids are doing

1249
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 5: because it's that next generation. The popular demographic demographic that

1250
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 5: everyone's shooting for is eighteen to thirty four, right, that's

1251
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 5: the young people. That's how you build your lineups off

1252
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 5: of thinking, how can I penetrate that demographic that's the

1253
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 5: young people? How can we keep them, how can we

1254
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 5: captivate them, how can we expand our reach to that segment? Well,

1255
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 5: the game has to be swift and fast and engaging

1256
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 5: all of those things.

1257
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 4: That's why they play music. At games.

1258
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 5: That's why they do all this stuff and ain't for

1259
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 5: the old generation like us. It's for the young people,

1260
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 5: and we have to kind of meet them where they

1261
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 5: are and be okay with shedding some of the things

1262
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 5: that were traditions and norms yesteryear.

1263
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 2: Okay, you talk about gimmicks, so let's get into the

1264
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 2: gimmick situation. I get the aps, I gonna have the

1265
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 2: roebuds doing the umpiring. I could live at that. You know,

1266
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 2: you know part of the showmanship of baseball was umpires

1267
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 2: fighting with managers. I guess it's going to go away.

1268
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 2: A lot of things go away and you survive. There's

1269
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 2: no big deal about that. But we talk about football

1270
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 2: moving the extra point back? What was the reason about that?

1271
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 2: Why did they move to the thirty three yard line

1272
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 2: or something? After a touchdown? It was just the extra

1273
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 2: po Why why is that?

1274
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 5: It became just a ceremony of play like it was

1275
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:39,439
Speaker 5: always automatic, So what was the point we were looking

1276
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 5: at something that didn't have any drama in it moving

1277
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,959
Speaker 5: it back fifteen yards? We began to see kickers miss

1278
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 5: the PAHs and that change gameplay, just like adding the two.

1279
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 4: Point conversion and all that.

1280
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 5: It is all about enhancing gameplay, making the game exciting,

1281
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 5: trying to get away from it just kind of being

1282
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 5: status quo. That's why we saw some of those things

1283
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 5: kind of playout.

1284
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 2: Okay, And look, I'm a statistic nut, you know, as

1285
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 2: my background was working with teams and doing pr work

1286
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 2: and statistics. You know, every stat right now is thrown

1287
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 2: off base. What do I mean by that? You know,

1288
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 2: if a guy as a consecutive kicking extra point streak

1289
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 2: doesn't mean anything really now because now they got the

1290
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 2: new kickoff distance over the last several years, all right,

1291
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 2: it doesn't make a difference. They took guys to rush

1292
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 2: for one thousand yards a season doesn't mean anything right

1293
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 2: now because they're playing seventeen games. I mean, maybe I'm

1294
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 2: going a little too far in there, because people don't care,

1295
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 2: especially now with the gambling out there. Gambling takes over everything,

1296
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 2: and people don't care if they play seventeen games, seven

1297
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 2: games or eighteen games, doesn't make a difference.

1298
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 3: They're putting their.

1299
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 2: Money on the game, and that's what it's all about.

1300
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 2: You know, I'm a statistical freak, and maybe that's just

1301
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 2: the way it is, and I'm just alone in that department.

1302
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 2: You know, that's the way it is.

1303
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know if you're necessarily alone in

1304
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 5: the department. I just think that we all have to

1305
00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 5: kind of get used to, you know, a different you're

1306
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 5: viewing things, and the sports that we have always known

1307
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 5: in love like are just changing.

1308
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 4: And I'll say they're changing for the better.

1309
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 5: But there's change, and change is always gonna come and

1310
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 5: we have to adapt to it.

1311
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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, what about the overtime rule. I think the

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Speaker 2: overtime rule in the National FOOTBA League is very confusing

1313
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Speaker 2: when they just make a sudden death ten minutes boom,

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Speaker 2: that's the way it is. Who put that together? That

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Speaker 2: overtime rule has to be changed, if you agree. And

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Speaker 2: it's different in the playoffs too than the regular season.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if it has to change. I will say.

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Speaker 5: What we have are people that are always complaining about results,

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Speaker 5: like after the fact, So overtime change because a want

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Speaker 5: to shorter overtime.

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Speaker 4: We're trying to keep everybody safe and healthy.

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Speaker 5: Then it became, ah, well it's not fair for one

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Speaker 5: team to get it.

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Speaker 4: Both teams should touch it, you know.

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Speaker 5: Then it continues to expand on that part of it.

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Speaker 5: You know, like Kansas City Buffalo have an issue in

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01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 5: the playoffs, and so we need to make sure that

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Speaker 5: we do these things to appease it.

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Speaker 4: There's always this.

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Speaker 5: Thing where we're knee jerk reacting to the public outcry. Now,

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Speaker 5: sometimes you have to say, ay, these are the rules

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Speaker 5: and they're not change and be okay with it.

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Speaker 3: I get it.

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Speaker 2: You don't want to see a game and end then

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01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 2: a tie, which is meaning it's ridiculous, But there's got

1336
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 2: to be a better way to finish the game.

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01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 3: I'll talk about soccer right now.

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Speaker 2: They'll play ninety hard minutes for a tie and then

1339
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 2: after that a.

1340
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 3: Shootout and make any says the game is dependent.

1341
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 2: Upon guys taking penalty kicks after ninety minutes of hard

1342
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 2: play and sweat and tears, and it all boils down

1343
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 2: to a couple of penalty shots. That to me is

1344
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Speaker 2: the most ridiculous thing in sports, It really is.

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Speaker 5: I mean, but you can't play forever, you know, you

1346
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 5: can't just go sudden there forever, and soccer fatigue plays

1347
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 5: a role that and eventually sets in you. Ultimately, you

1348
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 5: have to find a way to reach some kind of

1349
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 5: conclusion and the way that these people have determined that

1350
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Speaker 5: a the best way to do it is to put

1351
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 5: these little mini matches or pks or anything that you

1352
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 5: can find to just kind of achieve that desire result.

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01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 5: It is not ideal, but we never can make an

1354
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 5: ideal where everyone is one hundred percent happy. But you're trying,

1355
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 5: and you got to continue to keep trying.

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Speaker 3: You're exactly right. Okay.

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Speaker 2: They're talking about expanding college football playoffs, maybe from twelve

1387
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 2: teams to maybe sixteen teams. So the question I had

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01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 2: when I heard this, I said, well, why who is

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Speaker 2: that going to benefit? Well, coaches, it will benefit them

1390
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 2: because they'll have some job security. Athletic directors the same

1391
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 2: thing for them, they'll have some job security because the

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Speaker 2: teams will do better, better chances of them going to

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01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 2: a tournament and maybe win. Who knows conference commissioners. If benefits,

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01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 2: then more money and the same thing for the TV networks.

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01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 2: But would it or does it benefit the game? I

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01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 2: don't think it does. I don't think expanding four more

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01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 2: teams in the college football playoffs will really benefit the game,

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01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:24,959
Speaker 2: benefit the competition, benefit the fans watching it. I'll watch,

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01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 2: no doubt about that. But I don't think it benefits.

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Speaker 3: The game at all. I think it waters it down.

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01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 4: I don't know if it waters it down.

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01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 5: I treated like I've seen college football playoffs.

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01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 4: Decided at every lower level.

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Speaker 5: They always culminate in a tournament, a bracket that is

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01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:45,440
Speaker 5: very similar to a high school tournament, whether it's sixteen,

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Speaker 5: twenty four or whatever. Teams you got to run the

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01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 5: gauntlet to win the championship. I think we are making

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01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 5: it a bigger deal when we're talking about it waterining

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Speaker 5: it down.

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Speaker 4: You know what else is watered down? The bowl games.

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Speaker 5: No one tunes into the bowl games? So why do

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01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 5: we have bowl games only because they? To me, I

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01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 5: would rather have a sixteen playoff field, sixteen team playoff field,

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01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 5: and let's put those best teams, put the conference champions

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01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 5: in there, put everybody else that are at large and

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01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 5: less to who the best team is after a five

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01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 5: week playoff. If you do that, then we are more

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Speaker 5: likely to have the best team win and we can debate.

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Speaker 4: It and talk about it.

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Speaker 5: But after seeing it in high school for so long,

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Speaker 5: what's the difference. I don't understand why we act like

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01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 5: college is so drastic different from high school when it

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Speaker 5: comes to the way that they determine the champion.

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Speaker 2: Because high school they want to give everybody a chance.

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01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 2: They want to have like that competition trophy they give out.

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Speaker 2: We're on the college level, it's all about money. It's

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Speaker 2: all about greed. There's two different animals over there entirely,

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Speaker 2: and especially the way the college thing is going to

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Speaker 2: do it. The SEC and the Big Ten. We're going

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Speaker 2: to control the expansion situation next year. Consider this deal.

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Speaker 2: The first team left out of the twelve team field

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Speaker 2: this past season finished with four losses. Three of the

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Speaker 2: four losses came against teams with a combined record of

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01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 2: twenty one and eighteen. The playoff would be reserved for

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01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 2: the SEC and the Big Ten. That is not fair.

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Speaker 2: That's what they want. They're bullying it. They are get

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01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 2: this a fourteen team format. A possibility of fourteen teams

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Speaker 2: next year, there's going to be this four automatic bids

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Speaker 2: for the Big Ten, four automatic bigs for the SEC,

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Speaker 2: two eachs for the ACC and the Big twelve, and

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Speaker 2: one for the Group of five and one at large.

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01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 2: Why why do it that way? I don't understand why

1443
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 2: there are guaranteed bids from the four from the four

1444
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Speaker 2: bids from the Big Ten, and four for the SEC.

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Speaker 3: Why are they guaranteed?

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Speaker 2: You start the season off knowing there's a real good chance,

1447
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Speaker 2: no matter what your record is, you're gonna have four

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Speaker 2: teams in there. You finish in the top four in

1449
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 2: your league. You're going that's not fair. It's not right,

1450
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Speaker 2: It really isn't.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I mean, how many teams do you

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Speaker 4: want in it? Four? Four wasn't enough, you know, Four

1453
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Speaker 4: wasn't enough for us to see who's who. It's what.

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Speaker 5: I would rather the games be decided on the field

1455
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 5: to play, then the eyeball test and the computers.

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Speaker 4: For too long.

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01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 5: We've had well, this team doesn't look like the best team,

1458
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 5: and that team looks like the best team.

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01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:12,520
Speaker 4: Whatever, how about we play the game.

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Speaker 5: None of us thought that Ohio State was the best

1461
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 5: team in the country after we saw them get whooped

1462
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:19,440
Speaker 5: by Michigan, but then they ran the Gauntlet and they

1463
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 5: won the national title.

1464
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 4: I am okay with that.

1465
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:24,520
Speaker 5: If we talk about a meritocracy, the only way to

1466
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:27,440
Speaker 5: have a meritocracy is to make people earn it on

1467
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 5: the field. So regardless of whether you put fourteen, sixteen,

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01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 5: twenty twenty four teams in there, the only way to

1469
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:36,480
Speaker 5: know who the true champion is is to let them

1470
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 5: play it out on the field.

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Speaker 3: I hear what you're saying. I agree with everything you say. However,

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Speaker 3: let's go back.

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01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 2: The SEC and the Big Ten are going to begin

1474
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 2: the season knowing that, no matter how their teams do,

1475
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 2: no matter what their record is, the two conferences would

1476
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 2: account for no less than fifty percent of the playoff Bitch,

1477
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 2: that's not fair. Yeah, I'm with you with opening up

1478
01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 2: the fourteen or sixteen teams. If those teams are deserved,

1479
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 2: and what if there's a undefeated team in the Mountain.

1480
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 3: West, Well, two teams are worthy in the Mountain West.

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01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 5: Okay, So then how do we determine if they're deserving?

1482
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 5: If they go undefeated playing a cupcase schedule, that makes

1483
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 5: them deserving because their record is that. I think if

1484
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 5: you expand the playoff, you now have a better opportunity

1485
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:18,760
Speaker 5: of getting meaningful.

1486
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:20,200
Speaker 4: Games early in the year.

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01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:23,760
Speaker 5: Maybe you can get Tennessee to play Ohio State in

1488
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 5: a non conference game because it won't crush their playoff hopes.

1489
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:30,760
Speaker 5: The more you tighten it up in terms of the

1490
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 5: fewer teams that you have in it, the less likely

1491
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 5: the top teams.

1492
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:35,679
Speaker 4: Are going to play in the regular season.

1493
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:39,120
Speaker 5: What matters more to you the tournament or the regular

1494
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 5: season or both? Would you like to see great games

1495
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:46,560
Speaker 5: throughout the regular seating leading into a great conference championship?

1496
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 5: And more to me out for the latter, I want

1497
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:51,760
Speaker 5: to see these people play meaningful games, and then I

1498
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 5: want to see them playing All Star games. And on

1499
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:54,880
Speaker 5: another story, but.

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking right now that the commissions of the SEC

1501
01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 2: and the Big Ten, especially the SEC, very war of

1502
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 2: the SEC, not for what they might do, very war

1503
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 2: of the SEC on their history, on their dominance of

1504
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 2: a great conference in years past.

1505
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 3: It's kind of like Major League Baseball.

1506
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 2: They would be like guaranteeing the Yankees an automatic playoff

1507
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 2: bid every year because of how great they've won. They've

1508
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 2: won twenty seven World Series it's not right.

1509
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:21,720
Speaker 4: I mean I don't think it.

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01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think it's necessarily that right in terms

1511
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 5: of brand and those things. I think you still have

1512
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 5: to be good enough to get in there. But let's

1513
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 5: I mean, let's talk about like Clemson, and let's talk

1514
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 5: about you know, a team that was not the Clemson

1515
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 5: wasn't highly regarded, highly thought of for most of the year,

1516
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:43,840
Speaker 5: but they won their way in in a conference championship game.

1517
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 4: I'm okay with that.

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01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:48,160
Speaker 5: And then people were mad because Texas and maybe they

1519
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 5: didn't give Texas a game that everyone wanted. But some

1520
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 5: of that happens. That happens in playoffs in every sport.

1521
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 5: In every sport, we see these whole home games that

1522
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:02,040
Speaker 5: aren't competitive, we go on to the next round. Football,

1523
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 5: this seems like it's the only one where we want

1524
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 5: every game to be a one point game.

1525
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 4: It doesn't happen like that. This is kind of part

1526
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 4: of the deal.

1527
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:11,920
Speaker 5: But if you expand the playoffs and you make people

1528
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:15,639
Speaker 5: go through the tournament, go run the gauntlet, you then

1529
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 5: have a better basis of knowing, yeah, this is the

1530
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 5: best team in the country. Because they had to navigate

1531
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:23,360
Speaker 5: everything that they navigated to become a winning team.

1532
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 3: Okay, let's do this. Let's go back in time. Let's

1533
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:27,120
Speaker 3: go back last season.

1534
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:27,600
Speaker 4: I did this.

1535
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 2: If there was a model, if they had the fourteen

1536
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:33,280
Speaker 2: teams this past year and would look like this in

1537
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:35,920
Speaker 2: the SEC, the four teams coming out of the SEC

1538
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:38,599
Speaker 2: would have gone to Texas they were seven and one

1539
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 2: in the league. Georgia there were six and two, Tennessee

1540
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:45,360
Speaker 2: six and two, and then there was a sixth way

1541
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:50,679
Speaker 2: tie between the five and three teams Alabama, LSU, Mississippi, Missouri,

1542
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 2: South Carolina, Texas A and M five and three. Come on, Really,

1543
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:58,519
Speaker 2: one decimal point difference in the total win percentage column

1544
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:00,759
Speaker 2: would be the difference of making the player of making

1545
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 2: maybe the Reliance Bowl or the Quest.

1546
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 3: Bowl or the other garbage bowls out there.

1547
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense. I mean, I just don't

1548
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 2: think it's fair. And firstly, a team that's five and

1549
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 2: three in the league are they deserving I don't know.

1550
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 3: I mean more is better here.

1551
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:18,679
Speaker 2: Maybe I think the fans love it and it certainly

1552
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:22,760
Speaker 2: gives their lumps more of a more juice to say, hey,

1553
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 2: look we got a shot right now. I remember that

1554
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 2: the four teams there's always that fifteam pressing their nose

1555
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:29,880
Speaker 2: against the glass, saying we should have got in. Now

1556
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 2: they're opening it up a little more, kind of like

1557
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:34,639
Speaker 2: the NCAA basketball. I'm not too happy with the sixty

1558
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 2: eight teams. You don't need that many teams, but you know,

1559
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 2: it makes people happy and it makes a lot of money.

1560
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 4: The money factor, yeah, I mean, look, the money factor

1561
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 4: is all that. But here's what I'll say.

1562
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:48,759
Speaker 5: If you want people to play a meetingful regular season schedule,

1563
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 5: you have to expand the number of teams to the

1564
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:52,679
Speaker 5: end the tournament. If you want to see people play

1565
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:55,519
Speaker 5: cupcake you every week until they play their league, then

1566
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:58,519
Speaker 5: leave it as it is, because people will not risk

1567
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:01,280
Speaker 5: an opportunity to go to the playoffs by scheduling a

1568
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 5: hard game if it's going to put them out.

1569
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:04,320
Speaker 4: Of the mix.

1570
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 5: So we got to decide what do we want. Do

1571
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:08,439
Speaker 5: you want to see great regular season games or do

1572
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:10,519
Speaker 5: we just want to see great postseason games? But we

1573
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 5: can't have them both. And if we complain and moan

1574
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:17,640
Speaker 5: and whine about all of it, then look, no one

1575
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:21,280
Speaker 5: is going to satisfy our appetite. Because if I'm a

1576
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:23,919
Speaker 5: coach and be like, yeah, I'm not playing a hard schedule.

1577
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 5: I'll just wait and I'll just wait and get into

1578
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:28,400
Speaker 5: the postseason, and then you can tell me whether I'm

1579
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 5: good enough or not, because a lot of US box

1580
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:34,360
Speaker 5: score scout and we look at the numbers and oh,

1581
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 5: this team is undefeated, so that means they're good. For instance, Indiana,

1582
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:41,879
Speaker 5: Indiana gets into the playoffs and they play a different

1583
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 5: level in terms of Notre Dame, and we saw, like, yeah,

1584
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:48,599
Speaker 5: Indiana did a pretty good job doing the regular season,

1585
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 5: the schedule broke their way, they made their way into

1586
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:53,000
Speaker 5: the tournament, and then they got Molly Wop. It was

1587
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:55,640
Speaker 5: a nice story, a nice season for Indiana, but ultimately

1588
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 5: the better team won. And in the playoffs, typically the

1589
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:00,400
Speaker 5: best team is all he's.

1590
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:02,479
Speaker 4: Going to win. I just want to see him challenging.

1591
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:05,639
Speaker 5: I believe in expanded field brings about a different set

1592
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:07,400
Speaker 5: of challenges for those top seeds.

1593
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:10,760
Speaker 2: So you're telling me that usually the SEC coming down

1594
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:13,640
Speaker 2: the stretcherund Thanksgiving time, schools like Alabama are going to

1595
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:16,439
Speaker 2: play Louisiana Tech. That's going to go away. That's going

1596
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:18,559
Speaker 2: to go away. Now, I don't think so. They'll still

1597
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 2: play those cupcakes down the stretch that they have such

1598
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:24,240
Speaker 2: a tough schedule doing in the SEC.

1599
01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:25,439
Speaker 4: We're in the SEC.

1600
01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 5: We're talking about one cupcake, right, We're talking about they

1601
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:31,800
Speaker 5: play a directional school in somewhere near the endencies in

1602
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:34,760
Speaker 5: week eight or nine, they'll have that cupcake in there.

1603
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:37,360
Speaker 5: But if you want to see them play tough teams early,

1604
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:41,560
Speaker 5: if you want to see Alabama venture and play at Michigan,

1605
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 5: or if you want to see some of those games,

1606
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:45,479
Speaker 5: the only way you can do it is to make

1607
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:49,240
Speaker 5: sure that those teams can test themselves early but still

1608
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:51,599
Speaker 5: have an opportunity to get into the playoff field late.

1609
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:54,960
Speaker 5: So it's however we want it, if we want it early,

1610
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 5: if we wanted late, whatever it is. Coaches are going

1611
01:13:57,439 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 5: to adapt, but they're going to think about their schedule

1612
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:02,440
Speaker 5: with the playoffs in mind.

1613
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, we saw that last year with USC. Remember prior

1614
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:07,639
Speaker 2: to the season, there was some talt that USC would

1615
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:10,519
Speaker 2: not want to play Notre Dame down the stretch. I mean,

1616
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:13,439
Speaker 2: it's crazy right now, but look, I'm with you. I

1617
01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 2: don't mind more teams involved, but as long as those

1618
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:20,880
Speaker 2: teams are deserving, I don't want guaranteed spots. Guaranteed slots

1619
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:23,400
Speaker 2: in there like four for Big ten and four for

1620
01:14:23,439 --> 01:14:25,639
Speaker 2: the SEC. I just don't think that's fair. And maybe

1621
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 2: they'll work it out. Yeah, give me fourteen teams in

1622
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:30,760
Speaker 2: the playoffs, I don't mind, but make sure that they're

1623
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:33,080
Speaker 2: deserving and don't give me a guaranteed situation.

1624
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:35,240
Speaker 3: That's all well.

1625
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 5: I mean, I think you have to have some loose

1626
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 5: guarantees in there to ensure you get the teams from

1627
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:43,640
Speaker 5: the heavyweight conferences in Like what no one wants to

1628
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:46,160
Speaker 5: see is like, oh, okay, we have one SEC team,

1629
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 5: then we got five teams from the AAC or Conversations

1630
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 5: or whatever those conferences are.

1631
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:54,600
Speaker 4: I mean, that's the only way to do it.

1632
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:56,479
Speaker 5: I think you also have to populate it with some

1633
01:14:56,520 --> 01:15:00,679
Speaker 5: at large bids to ensure that you're not missing any teams.

1634
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:02,840
Speaker 5: So as much as people talk about fourteen, I'm like,

1635
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:06,760
Speaker 5: the difference in fourteen and sixteen is negligible. Make it

1636
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 5: sixteen so then you can get everybody in the tournament

1637
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 5: and the champ has to walk to gauntlet.

1638
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 4: I don't want to see BI weeks and all that

1639
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:16,000
Speaker 4: other stuff.

1640
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 5: Like, right, everybody plays that first weekend, have a set

1641
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 5: of you know, the round of sixteen. Then you have

1642
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 5: the quarters and then break it down that way.

1643
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 4: Uh yeah. The bye weeks and stuff do nothing for me.

1644
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 2: I'm with you right there, Bucky Brooks, he is Bucky

1645
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:32,240
Speaker 2: Brooks Kenning my next act Bucket Brooks and Andy from

1646
01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 2: an fsry eighty seven seven ninety nine one fox yay

1647
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:38,800
Speaker 2: Rornay is next yeay r nae right around the bank.

1648
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:40,880
Speaker 2: We're live on the Ti rock dot Com studios. He

1649
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:43,559
Speaker 2: is Bucky Brooks and Andy Fermaner. By the way, here's

1650
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:47,680
Speaker 2: our guy, our executive producer, the me man, Patay. Well,

1651
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:49,600
Speaker 2: yeay Una, go ahead, Patcho.

1652
01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:53,639
Speaker 6: Okay, let's figure out rock those brains, gentlemen, these stories

1653
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 6: need an.

1654
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:56,679
Speaker 3: Ass I think we need a ruling on this. Yay

1655
01:15:57,120 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 3: or nay?

1656
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:01,679
Speaker 9: All right, everybody, it is time for yay or nay.

1657
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 9: It is your boy Patty here, your executive producer Andy,

1658
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:08,599
Speaker 9: and I got one from you and Bucky right now.

1659
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:12,160
Speaker 9: So there was much booing by fans during the forty

1660
01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:13,759
Speaker 9: three Team Nations playoff.

1661
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:18,800
Speaker 1: Yay or nay? Go with Andy ego first.

1662
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:22,200
Speaker 2: You know what, though, I'm gonna go nay because I

1663
01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:26,280
Speaker 2: know it's a heated rivalry. But fans usually are somewhat

1664
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:28,679
Speaker 2: respectful for the anthemvil of the countries.

1665
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:30,679
Speaker 3: We see that in the Olympics, but well.

1666
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:34,160
Speaker 2: With disrespecting their countries as we did Canada, as our

1667
01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 2: political people did not gonna mention your names.

1668
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:39,160
Speaker 3: We shouldn't be surprised, we really should. I didn't like it.

1669
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:41,160
Speaker 3: I thought it was disgusting, but that's just the way

1670
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:41,479
Speaker 3: it is.

1671
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:46,439
Speaker 5: Uh yeah, as well, I would say, like, yeah, when

1672
01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:49,519
Speaker 5: you disrespect him, you added something to it. And so

1673
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:53,600
Speaker 5: it did create a very contentious environment. So I have

1674
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:55,439
Speaker 5: to be okay with it because we kind of stirred

1675
01:16:55,479 --> 01:16:55,760
Speaker 5: it up.

1676
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 1: All right, sweet, Well, I like it. I like it both.

1677
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:01,400
Speaker 1: I like both. Well, I got one more for you, guys.

1678
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:06,800
Speaker 9: Research by ind Moment shows fans prefer Florida over Arizona

1679
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 9: for baseball spring training. Yay or nay a Bucky, you

1680
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:11,600
Speaker 9: get the first go at this.

1681
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:13,639
Speaker 4: Yay.

1682
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:18,960
Speaker 5: I can understand that of Florida. Look, the heat is

1683
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:22,839
Speaker 5: different in Arizona than Florida. It's a little muggier in Florida,

1684
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:25,080
Speaker 5: but it's still Injoybra. I am fine because of the

1685
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:27,519
Speaker 5: teams that train out there. So yeah, I can understand

1686
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:29,800
Speaker 5: Florida having a better environment for spring training.

1687
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:32,880
Speaker 3: Of course it's Florida. Yeah, there's so much more to do.

1688
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:34,799
Speaker 2: What are you gonna go go out with a cactus

1689
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:38,040
Speaker 2: plant there in Arizona. There's snakes out there. Florida's the

1690
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:40,480
Speaker 2: place to go. It goes down to the keys. Everything's

1691
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:44,000
Speaker 2: in Florida, Miami South Beach. Everybody wants to go to Florida,

1692
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 2: and especially if you have an East East Coast club

1693
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:49,639
Speaker 2: on these Coast team, it's a hell of a trip

1694
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:50,800
Speaker 2: to go out to Arizona.

1695
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 3: Florida's the place.

1696
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:54,680
Speaker 9: All right, Well, Florida may be the place. Well I'm

1697
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:56,760
Speaker 9: gonna go to a place in New York for this one.

1698
01:17:56,840 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 9: Andy So changing stripes Yankees to allow well groomed beards.

1699
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:05,479
Speaker 9: Yay or nay? Mister Furman, what the hell.

1700
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:08,200
Speaker 3: Took so long? I mean we're twenty twenty five right now.

1701
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:10,120
Speaker 3: You can't grow with beard. Let me tell you something.

1702
01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:10,519
Speaker 3: Right now.

1703
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:12,280
Speaker 2: If you're a baseball player, you want to grow a

1704
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:14,280
Speaker 2: beard and the team says you can, next thing, you know,

1705
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 2: you'll be in court.

1706
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:17,479
Speaker 3: Yay, it's about time. Do I like beards?

1707
01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:21,120
Speaker 2: Not really, but you know what, you're allowed to grow one.

1708
01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:24,400
Speaker 4: No, I'm a nay on this one's the Yankees tradition.

1709
01:18:24,479 --> 01:18:27,080
Speaker 5: They've always been that part of that clean could look

1710
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:29,120
Speaker 5: the way they looked, they were the epitome of class.

1711
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:30,600
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, I'm all over this.

1712
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:33,240
Speaker 2: No, the red used to be that way too, to

1713
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:36,280
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Reds. I don't know what happened, really, that was

1714
01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:38,880
Speaker 2: a big deal. March shot never makes you rest in peace.

1715
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:43,040
Speaker 2: Never wanted beards on that team. Or facial hair. Well,

1716
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:45,960
Speaker 2: this next one, yeah, I had facial hair. Though she

1717
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:48,360
Speaker 2: had facial hair, you know that. Let's get to the

1718
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:48,840
Speaker 2: bottom of.

1719
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:50,720
Speaker 9: It, right now, let's get to the bottom of it. Well,

1720
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:52,559
Speaker 9: let's get to the bottom of this one. And this

1721
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:55,880
Speaker 9: may not be facial hair, but this may. It's gonna

1722
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:59,880
Speaker 9: go back to your robots thing here. So the NFL, MLB, NCAA,

1723
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 9: NASCAR are are backing a buill to disabled drones at stadiums.

1724
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:07,600
Speaker 1: Yay or nay, But we're gonna go Bucky. What do

1725
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:08,240
Speaker 1: you think.

1726
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 4: Let's go with Let's go with yay, Let's go it

1727
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:14,400
Speaker 4: okay with the drones and all other stuff.

1728
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:17,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm okay with I'm gonna go nay because I

1729
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:19,720
Speaker 2: kind of like the cameras on the drones that take

1730
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:23,559
Speaker 2: some some aerial shots for TV, So I guess they'll

1731
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:24,400
Speaker 2: talk about fans.

1732
01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:26,599
Speaker 3: You know, they want fans to have the drones over there,

1733
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:27,439
Speaker 3: but sores TV.

1734
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:29,879
Speaker 2: I have no problem because I think the aerial shots

1735
01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:31,840
Speaker 2: with the drones are pretty darn good.

1736
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:34,200
Speaker 1: Well, you know what's pretty darn good.

1737
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:36,519
Speaker 9: We got one last one for us here, So it's

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01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:39,439
Speaker 9: time has come to scrap the NFL Pro Bowl and

1739
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:40,679
Speaker 9: NBA All Star Game.

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01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:44,719
Speaker 1: Yay or nay? Final say, Andy Furman, what do you think?

1741
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:45,400
Speaker 3: You know what?

1742
01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 2: I hate to say. Yeah, I'm gonna say nay, but

1743
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:51,320
Speaker 2: but I think that they need to be redone. Let's

1744
01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:53,759
Speaker 2: go back to the drawing board, like kind of tweak

1745
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:55,240
Speaker 2: them a little bit, so I'll say nay.

1746
01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:58,880
Speaker 5: I'm I'm gonna say yay because I'm so tired of

1747
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:00,360
Speaker 5: hearing about everyone can play about it.

1748
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:02,080
Speaker 4: Let's see what life is like without it.

1749
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:04,760
Speaker 5: I'm kind of with Kevin duranin those guys like, yeah,

1750
01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:05,639
Speaker 5: take it away.

1751
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:09,360
Speaker 2: Really yeah, But there's always money involved there, buck, I mean,

1752
01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:11,400
Speaker 2: guys get bonuses to go to the All Star Game,

1753
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:13,400
Speaker 2: to take that away, to taking money away.

1754
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:15,240
Speaker 3: Can't take money away from athletes.

1755
01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:18,479
Speaker 4: I think you'll be okay without it, all.

1756
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:21,320
Speaker 3: Right, Hey, a topic that must be discussed. We do

1757
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:21,800
Speaker 3: it next.

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01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:26,720
Speaker 2: We're right here at Fox Sports Sunday. All right, we

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Speaker 2: see it, but we don't speak it. That's coming right up.

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Speaker 3: Good morning.

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Speaker 2: The way tire buying should be. Bucky Brooks, how's it going.

1769
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:54,200
Speaker 2: We're rolling right now. We're moving our number three right here.

1770
01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:57,599
Speaker 4: I mean it's going well. I can't complain. I am

1771
01:20:57,720 --> 01:20:59,960
Speaker 4: loving it. Like the conversation we're having today.

1772
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:01,120
Speaker 3: This is great.

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01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:03,880
Speaker 2: We talk about conversations right now. I love this so

1774
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:06,960
Speaker 2: much more so than when we have football during the

1775
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:10,040
Speaker 2: NFL season, which I do love the NFL. But basically

1776
01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:12,839
Speaker 2: ninety nine percent of the shows that are on radio

1777
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:16,280
Speaker 2: talk shows are predicting the games, breaking down the games,

1778
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 2: which you know, really and truly not much thought process

1779
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:22,679
Speaker 2: goes in there. We're going to talk about something right now,

1780
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:26,320
Speaker 2: which is very difficult for some but I think it

1781
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:27,200
Speaker 2: has to be talked about.

1782
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:28,959
Speaker 3: I really do. We're going to talk about.

1783
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:32,200
Speaker 2: Diversity, and it's going to make some people very uncomfortable.

1784
01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:36,040
Speaker 2: Diversity in sports, in particular the National Football League a

1785
01:21:36,120 --> 01:21:38,439
Speaker 2: league right now bucket books, which I think is eighty

1786
01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:39,280
Speaker 2: percent black?

1787
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:39,960
Speaker 3: Am I correct?

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01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:40,200
Speaker 4: Of that?

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01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:46,200
Speaker 2: Close to eighty percent black? With participants in that league.

1790
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:48,040
Speaker 5: I think it's closer to seventy percent, but it is

1791
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:50,639
Speaker 5: overwhelmingly a black and brown league for sure.

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01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:51,280
Speaker 3: All right.

1793
01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:52,640
Speaker 2: And this is what I read the other day. And

1794
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:54,559
Speaker 2: I think that people are going to say, why are

1795
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:56,000
Speaker 2: you talking about this? I don't care.

1796
01:21:56,040 --> 01:21:57,840
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's important. I really do. I think

1797
01:21:57,880 --> 01:21:58,639
Speaker 3: it's important that well.

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01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:02,400
Speaker 2: Until the Chicago Bears to Thomas Brown to interim offensive

1799
01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:05,360
Speaker 2: coordinator during the regular season, the NFL did not have

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Speaker 2: a single black offensive coordinator.

1801
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:10,120
Speaker 3: Why. I have no idea. How could that be? I

1802
01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:10,519
Speaker 3: don't know.

1803
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:13,639
Speaker 2: And after Brown was promoted to the interim head coach

1804
01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:15,960
Speaker 2: of the Bears later that month, after the Bears fired

1805
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:20,479
Speaker 2: mattiba Flus, the Bears gave Thomas Beatty the bump up

1806
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:23,040
Speaker 2: to take him from a quarterback coach to the league's

1807
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 2: only the league's only black offensive coordinator. Again, how does

1808
01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 2: that happen?

1809
01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:29,200
Speaker 3: Tell me? How does that happen?

1810
01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:31,920
Speaker 2: Because right now, the Bears coaching staff was not retained

1811
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:35,040
Speaker 2: after the season, and Beattie was hired as the Las

1812
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:38,400
Speaker 2: Vegas Raiders receivers coach. As a result, the number of

1813
01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:42,760
Speaker 2: black offensive coordinators in the National Football League is take

1814
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:46,320
Speaker 2: a guess, zero in the league, that's what close to

1815
01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:49,840
Speaker 2: seventy plus percent black participants. You want to have people

1816
01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:52,519
Speaker 2: who could relate to other people of the same color,

1817
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:53,920
Speaker 2: and you don't have one.

1818
01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:57,080
Speaker 3: How does that happen? And whatever happened to the Rooney rule?

1819
01:22:57,320 --> 01:22:59,800
Speaker 2: I know, Bucky Brooks, I'm gonna hear the comments I

1820
01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:01,120
Speaker 2: hear in my head right now.

1821
01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:04,240
Speaker 3: Who cares? Play the game? What are you talking about?

1822
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:05,960
Speaker 3: I care? I care?

1823
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:08,679
Speaker 2: And you can't tell me the players don't care. They

1824
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:09,840
Speaker 2: have to care about this.

1825
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:14,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, we're It's a tough spot when it comes

1826
01:23:14,479 --> 01:23:18,960
Speaker 5: to all of those things because sports reflects real life,

1827
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:21,920
Speaker 5: and real life respects reflects sports. And so when you

1828
01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:26,480
Speaker 5: have these initiatives where we're eliminating diversity, equity, and inclusion,

1829
01:23:27,160 --> 01:23:30,519
Speaker 5: that ultimately filters into every aspect of it. And so

1830
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:33,960
Speaker 5: people will talk about meritocracy, Well, you have to earn it,

1831
01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:35,760
Speaker 5: you have to earn the right. We want to take

1832
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:39,479
Speaker 5: the best and most qualified candidates. Okay, well, some of

1833
01:23:39,479 --> 01:23:42,720
Speaker 5: these initiatives were to expand your pool to make sure

1834
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 5: that you're giving everyone an opportunity to put their best

1835
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 5: foot forward to see if they could.

1836
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:48,040
Speaker 4: Earn the job.

1837
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:51,599
Speaker 5: Now that you hand them the job, because they represent

1838
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:56,400
Speaker 5: a diverse background and you're trying to include a different.

1839
01:23:57,640 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 4: Race or whatever in the discussion.

1840
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:03,320
Speaker 5: But what what's happened is most people, and this happens

1841
01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:07,479
Speaker 5: in business, most people hire people that they know, people

1842
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:12,360
Speaker 5: that they're related to, or people that remind them of themselves.

1843
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:16,000
Speaker 5: And so to get people to expand their horizons, you

1844
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 5: have to be exposed to others. If you don't challenge

1845
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:22,480
Speaker 5: people to expand outside of their comfort zone.

1846
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:24,880
Speaker 4: Then they will continue to repeat the cycles.

1847
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:27,640
Speaker 5: What we have is in a league where for a

1848
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:31,400
Speaker 5: long time, Blacks were not permitted to play what we

1849
01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:36,759
Speaker 5: call thinking man positions quarterback, center, mike linebacker, free safety.

1850
01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:39,559
Speaker 5: If you go back in the sixties, those positions, you

1851
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:43,960
Speaker 5: really saw blacks put in those positions. Head coaching candidates

1852
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:47,880
Speaker 5: for years have always come out of those positions because

1853
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:50,920
Speaker 5: you want the most cerebral people to then ultimately transition

1854
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:51,960
Speaker 5: and lead your teams.

1855
01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:54,000
Speaker 4: And so it put you behind the eight ball.

1856
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:58,520
Speaker 5: Because the quarterback positioning, because offense is viewed as more cerebral,

1857
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:04,120
Speaker 5: more of a thinking, strategical, tactical side of the ball

1858
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:08,360
Speaker 5: than defense, which is seen as reactionary aggressive. In those things,

1859
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:13,160
Speaker 5: more of the Blacks are tended to skew towards.

1860
01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:14,719
Speaker 4: Defense than offense.

1861
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:17,599
Speaker 5: And I will tell you this, more Blacks have been

1862
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:20,960
Speaker 5: told you have a better chance of getting major opportunities

1863
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:23,880
Speaker 5: if you coach defense, because we have seen defensive head

1864
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:27,599
Speaker 5: coaches ascend to head coaching jobs. Look at Mike Tomlin,

1865
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 5: look at Tomiko Ryans, look at some of those guys.

1866
01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:33,280
Speaker 5: Most of your black head coaches have come from that side.

1867
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:33,519
Speaker 4: Of the ball.

1868
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:37,600
Speaker 5: And so you're in this weird space where you're not

1869
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:40,080
Speaker 5: giving a lot of opportunities in terms of working with

1870
01:25:40,200 --> 01:25:43,479
Speaker 5: quarterbacks and calling offensive plays, and so you have to

1871
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:46,360
Speaker 5: make a decision in the lower ranks what is the

1872
01:25:46,360 --> 01:25:48,120
Speaker 5: best path for me to be a head coach, And

1873
01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:52,400
Speaker 5: so you're lost and you're left with a lack of

1874
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:56,880
Speaker 5: candidates in those areas where you want to see black

1875
01:25:56,920 --> 01:25:58,040
Speaker 5: offensive coordinators.

1876
01:25:58,280 --> 01:26:00,920
Speaker 2: Well I did some digging. Okay, people gonna say, well,

1877
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:02,360
Speaker 2: you must have too much free time on your hand.

1878
01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:04,280
Speaker 2: Well I did something, and you're a hundred percent correct,

1879
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 2: because while the number of black offensive coordinators remains low,

1880
01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:12,719
Speaker 2: remains zero, diversity among the NFL's defensive coordinators has gone up. Really,

1881
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:17,280
Speaker 2: there are currently over a dozen defensive coordinators of color

1882
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:19,760
Speaker 2: in the National Football League, and of the seven head

1883
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:23,959
Speaker 2: coaches of color in the league, five have backgrounds in defense.

1884
01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:27,800
Speaker 2: All right, So you're right about that one potential reason,

1885
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:30,960
Speaker 2: as you say, for the spancy of that defenses tend

1886
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:34,599
Speaker 2: to have more diverse players. And this is a reading

1887
01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:37,679
Speaker 2: now I've got this statistical over here. In the past,

1888
01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:41,680
Speaker 2: black players faced obstacles when it came to getting opportunities

1889
01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:46,120
Speaker 2: at quarterback, offensive line, and linebacker period end the story.

1890
01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:47,120
Speaker 3: Why, I don't know.

1891
01:26:47,439 --> 01:26:50,080
Speaker 2: And after the firings of these coaches in the National

1892
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:53,720
Speaker 2: Football League Drowd Mayo, Antonio Pierce, and the New York

1893
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:56,479
Speaker 2: Jets hiring of Aaron Glenn, the number of black head

1894
01:26:56,560 --> 01:27:01,240
Speaker 2: coaches is five. Tom Bowles, Rahie Marris Demco, the Miko Ryans,

1895
01:27:01,439 --> 01:27:04,879
Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin, and Glenn overall, there are seven head coaches

1896
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:09,160
Speaker 2: of color, five plus Dave Canalis and Mike McDaniel, and

1897
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:11,800
Speaker 2: I guess that's progress. There was no more than three

1898
01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:14,560
Speaker 2: black head coaches in the National Football League.

1899
01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:16,200
Speaker 3: From twenty nineteen to twenty twenty three.

1900
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:18,880
Speaker 2: All Right, so we talk about that, and people are

1901
01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:21,439
Speaker 2: gonna say, again, why do you care? I can't because,

1902
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:25,840
Speaker 2: as you mentioned, Bucky, most businesses like to hire what

1903
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:27,280
Speaker 2: they see.

1904
01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:29,040
Speaker 3: Is someone like themselves.

1905
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:33,400
Speaker 2: Well, if there's seventy percent plus players in the league

1906
01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:37,800
Speaker 2: of color, you would think players could relate more so

1907
01:27:38,160 --> 01:27:40,559
Speaker 2: with a coach of color, and that's not the case.

1908
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:43,200
Speaker 3: What happened to the Rooney rule? I don't get it.

1909
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:48,840
Speaker 5: I mean, the Ruoney rules still exists, but they're workarounds,

1910
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:52,120
Speaker 5: like people will take the token interviews and just kind

1911
01:27:52,120 --> 01:27:53,760
Speaker 5: of go through it. We saw what the Patriots were

1912
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:56,040
Speaker 5: doing when they interview guys who had been out of

1913
01:27:56,080 --> 01:27:58,080
Speaker 5: work so they could kind of speed through the process

1914
01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:01,040
Speaker 5: to get to hire Mike Rabel. You're going to have that.

1915
01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:03,920
Speaker 5: Everyone needs to operate in good faith. But we have

1916
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:08,040
Speaker 5: seen in our country whatever without certain things put in

1917
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:12,520
Speaker 5: place to force people to kind of expand their searches.

1918
01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:15,679
Speaker 5: They'll always kind of go right back to their comfort zone.

1919
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:20,000
Speaker 5: But there is nothing that we can do to make

1920
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:23,280
Speaker 5: people hire who they hire. You can bring all the

1921
01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:26,320
Speaker 5: candidates that you want, but ultimately, people are going to

1922
01:28:26,439 --> 01:28:28,200
Speaker 5: hire who they want to hire.

1923
01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:30,320
Speaker 4: And at a time where we would like to.

1924
01:28:30,280 --> 01:28:33,679
Speaker 5: Think that in our country we can make decisions based

1925
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:38,360
Speaker 5: solely on merit and those things, we haven't consistently shown

1926
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:40,639
Speaker 5: that in our country we can do those things without

1927
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:44,479
Speaker 5: a level of bias and prejudice in those things. You

1928
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:47,960
Speaker 5: remain hopeful, you made optimistic that some day some of

1929
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:50,080
Speaker 5: these things will change. But yeah, you spin out the

1930
01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:55,480
Speaker 5: facts about the lack of minorities in offensive coordinator positions

1931
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:58,840
Speaker 5: doesn't really speak well to it growing. But I will

1932
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:02,080
Speaker 5: say this, the number of black quarterbacks that you see

1933
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:06,680
Speaker 5: on the field ultimately will lead to more black offensive

1934
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:09,439
Speaker 5: coordinators landing in the NFL.

1935
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:11,440
Speaker 4: Those guys that are playing.

1936
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:13,040
Speaker 5: In the league, not that they would choose to do

1937
01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:16,160
Speaker 5: their life's work on the sideline, but the more that

1938
01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:20,280
Speaker 5: you see quarterbacks play in the upper levels college and

1939
01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:22,920
Speaker 5: in the pros is more likely that they're going to

1940
01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:26,280
Speaker 5: go to their respective high schools and college programs and

1941
01:29:26,360 --> 01:29:30,599
Speaker 5: eventually become quarterback coaches and offensive coordinators. So even though

1942
01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:33,439
Speaker 5: it's bleak, now, I would say the future should be

1943
01:29:33,479 --> 01:29:36,720
Speaker 5: bright because the more that play the position, ultimately you'll

1944
01:29:36,760 --> 01:29:38,760
Speaker 5: see more of those guys come back and end up

1945
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:39,800
Speaker 5: coaching those positions.

1946
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:42,439
Speaker 3: Okay, but I will say this. You may hit on

1947
01:29:42,479 --> 01:29:43,080
Speaker 3: something over there.

1948
01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:45,080
Speaker 2: You may be correct, but I will say this, the

1949
01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:48,519
Speaker 2: quarterback more often than not and probably is the most

1950
01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:52,200
Speaker 2: highly paid player on the team after retirement. I don't

1951
01:29:52,200 --> 01:29:54,519
Speaker 2: know why a guy would want to go back into

1952
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:58,360
Speaker 2: that grind, not make much money and have the aggravation.

1953
01:29:58,520 --> 01:30:00,680
Speaker 2: So I think that there's a good chance that quarterbacks

1954
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Speaker 2: may have the opportunity to do a battle that they

1955
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Speaker 2: really want to do it. Why would you with all

1956
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Speaker 2: that money you make and to do that kind of

1957
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Speaker 2: work the long hours, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: So what I'm saying is not on the front line.

1959
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Speaker 5: But I'm also talking about the backup quarterbacks, because remember,

1960
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Speaker 5: it took a long time before Blacks could be starting quarterbacks,

1961
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Speaker 5: and even longer for there to be a comfort level

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Speaker 5: with Blacks being backup quarterbacks. More likely your head coaches

1963
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Speaker 5: are backup quarterbacks. Let's look at Kevin O'Connell let's look

1964
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Speaker 5: at Kellen Moore recently fired Doug Peterson.

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Speaker 4: They were backup quarterbacks in the league.

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Speaker 5: And when you think about some of the guys that

1967
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Speaker 5: are sending to these higher quarterback coach positions and coordinator positions,

1968
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Speaker 5: they're guys that were backup quarterbacks, meaning they learned the game,

1969
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Speaker 5: they played the game to a level, and now their

1970
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Speaker 5: job is to teach the game to the next generation. Well,

1971
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Speaker 5: as you begin to populate the NFL with more minority quarterbacks,

1972
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Speaker 5: some of those guys are not going to be QB one's.

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Speaker 4: They could be QB twos.

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Speaker 5: And those are the guys that will have the opportunity

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Speaker 5: to eventually saying to those top positions on the coaching ranks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I didn't know this, but since twenty twenty two,

1977
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Speaker 2: the NFL has required every team to have at least

1978
01:31:14,280 --> 01:31:17,559
Speaker 2: one offensive assistant coach who is a person of color

1979
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Speaker 2: or a woman or both. It is a one year

1980
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Speaker 2: position sponsored by the league. Again, I don't think a

1981
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Speaker 2: guy should be hired or a woman should be hired

1982
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Speaker 2: simply because the color of their skin. You got to

1983
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Speaker 2: be somewhat qualified to do so. I'm sure they are

1984
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Speaker 2: qualified once they're hired. I have no problem with that,

1985
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Speaker 2: and I do have a female on the Philadelphia Eagles

1986
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Speaker 2: and assistant black coach, and she did not get the

1987
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Speaker 2: recognition I thought she deserved because of the color of

1988
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Speaker 2: her skin and winning the Super Bowl. It just went astray,

1989
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Speaker 2: and I think one of the reasons being I think

1990
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Speaker 2: ownership is afraid that they're going to have to hire more.

1991
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Speaker 2: I mean, am I wasting my time of my breath

1992
01:31:56,240 --> 01:31:59,000
Speaker 2: talking about this? Is it's something that people the general

1993
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:00,599
Speaker 2: public doesn't care about Bucket Brooks.

1994
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Speaker 3: I think it's important. I think it's important.

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Speaker 2: I think it's not fair, especially in the league that

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Speaker 2: is dominated by people of color.

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Speaker 4: It is important.

1998
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Speaker 5: But I'm saying you have to remember in reality, in

1999
01:32:13,720 --> 01:32:17,880
Speaker 5: the real world, there's been an erosion of all those programs.

2000
01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:23,679
Speaker 5: You can't even put diversity, equity inclusion on websites without

2001
01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:28,680
Speaker 5: facing retribution. You cannot mention some things in classrooms in

2002
01:32:28,720 --> 01:32:36,080
Speaker 5: college campuses without being admonished by the government and entities

2003
01:32:36,240 --> 01:32:39,040
Speaker 5: around it. And so we're just in a different time

2004
01:32:39,160 --> 01:32:43,720
Speaker 5: where all of these things are under attack, and it

2005
01:32:43,880 --> 01:32:48,360
Speaker 5: impacts everything. It impacts not only like civilian life as

2006
01:32:48,360 --> 01:32:50,880
Speaker 5: we'll call it, but it impacts sports because no one

2007
01:32:50,920 --> 01:32:53,160
Speaker 5: wants to be jammed up, and those who are willing

2008
01:32:53,200 --> 01:32:55,640
Speaker 5: to do it must be willing to stand up and

2009
01:32:55,680 --> 01:32:59,280
Speaker 5: deal with the criticism and the constant attention that comes

2010
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Speaker 5: with it. But you know, we're just in a weird

2011
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:08,640
Speaker 5: time where we're having these things kind of working counteractively

2012
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Speaker 5: towards one another as opposed to working to support what

2013
01:33:12,680 --> 01:33:15,479
Speaker 5: should be a situation where, look, we do want equity,

2014
01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:17,720
Speaker 5: we do want equality, We do want everyone to get

2015
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Speaker 5: a chance.

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Speaker 4: We do want to eventually.

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Speaker 5: Wipe away and have a color blind society where we

2018
01:33:23,320 --> 01:33:25,800
Speaker 5: make decisions based on who does what. But you have

2019
01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:28,320
Speaker 5: to level the playing field to give everyone opportunity before

2020
01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:29,560
Speaker 5: you can make those decisions.

2021
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Speaker 2: And I will say this, I think the NBA does

2022
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Speaker 2: a much better job than the NFL is hiring minorities,

2023
01:33:34,680 --> 01:33:36,920
Speaker 2: especially looking on the benches of the NBA, And really,

2024
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Speaker 2: the NBA is a dominated sport by the people of color,

2025
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Speaker 2: it really is. You don't hear this argument. You don't

2026
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Speaker 2: hear this argument in the NBA. But they don't have

2027
01:33:44,920 --> 01:33:47,000
Speaker 2: a Rooney rule in the NBA. Why do they have

2028
01:33:47,080 --> 01:33:48,840
Speaker 2: it in the National Football League where there are more

2029
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Speaker 2: people of color playing than in the National Basketball Association.

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Speaker 2: It's obvious it's fifty three minute and a roster as

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Speaker 2: opposed to twelve to fifteen in the NBA.

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's a good point, something that would deserve

2033
01:34:01,360 --> 01:34:04,519
Speaker 5: like a deeper examination, like why you have certain things

2034
01:34:04,520 --> 01:34:08,000
Speaker 5: happening in basketball that don't exist in football.

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Speaker 4: Some of that has to do with union and union

2036
01:34:10,680 --> 01:34:11,880
Speaker 4: base and union.

2037
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Speaker 5: Incentives and actions, and other has to do with, like

2038
01:34:16,680 --> 01:34:18,759
Speaker 5: players and one sport.

2039
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Speaker 4: Sometimes you have one group.

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Speaker 5: And I'll say this, like basketball likes to have former

2041
01:34:24,640 --> 01:34:30,880
Speaker 5: players installed in those positions as coaches. I can't confidently

2042
01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:34,479
Speaker 5: say that the NFL has always been about former players.

2043
01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:37,799
Speaker 5: There's a stigma that goes with players sometimes in the

2044
01:34:37,920 --> 01:34:40,960
Speaker 5: NFL as it comes to their work ethic or lack thereof,

2045
01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:42,920
Speaker 5: or not being able to teach, or not being able

2046
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:45,640
Speaker 5: to take what they did as players and translate it

2047
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Speaker 5: as an instructor. All of those things kind of matter,

2048
01:34:48,640 --> 01:34:50,160
Speaker 5: and all those teams kind of shape some of the

2049
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Speaker 5: decisions that are made.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you played in the NFL, you still work on

2051
01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:55,920
Speaker 2: the NFL. You're involved with a team in the NFL

2052
01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:59,200
Speaker 2: right now. Do you hear rumblings like this in locker

2053
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Speaker 2: rooms or players say, you know, how come we don't

2054
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:06,760
Speaker 2: have more men of color women of color coaching us

2055
01:35:06,880 --> 01:35:07,439
Speaker 2: right now?

2056
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Speaker 3: Is it a factor or they just go about their business.

2057
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Speaker 4: It depends. I mean, like it's an observation.

2058
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Speaker 5: I would say that the thing that normally opens up

2059
01:35:17,200 --> 01:35:21,960
Speaker 5: everything is when you bring about former players of any race,

2060
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Speaker 5: of any creat or whatever. If you just bring about

2061
01:35:24,200 --> 01:35:28,320
Speaker 5: former players, what happens is former players tend to recreate

2062
01:35:28,360 --> 01:35:32,000
Speaker 5: the locker rooms that they played in. So everyone went

2063
01:35:32,200 --> 01:35:35,439
Speaker 5: crazy when Dan Campbell took over the Detroit Lions and

2064
01:35:35,479 --> 01:35:37,799
Speaker 5: he I think he had eight or nine former players

2065
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Speaker 5: on staff. Well, naturally, when he had a bunch of

2066
01:35:40,080 --> 01:35:45,559
Speaker 5: former players on staff, he had a very diverse room

2067
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Speaker 5: and coaching staff. And that diversity was not only on race,

2068
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Speaker 5: but of thought. And if you recreate some of those

2069
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:54,880
Speaker 5: things with former players being given those opportunities, you will

2070
01:35:54,960 --> 01:35:56,960
Speaker 5: naturally have some of those things. And it doesn't mean

2071
01:35:57,000 --> 01:35:59,000
Speaker 5: that every coach that's a former player is gonna be

2072
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Speaker 5: black or whatever, but you're going to have a more

2073
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Speaker 5: diverse coaching staff because it's going to reflect the locker

2074
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Speaker 5: room and the way the locker room truly exists at

2075
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Speaker 5: the NFL.

2076
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Speaker 3: Level, Yeah.

2077
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Speaker 2: In the New England Pages, Bill Belichick had his son

2078
01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:15,400
Speaker 2: on the staff, Deon Sanders at Colorado. Probably has more

2079
01:36:15,439 --> 01:36:18,880
Speaker 2: formal players on his staff than the most NFL teams.

2080
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Speaker 3: Think about that.

2081
01:36:21,280 --> 01:36:22,200
Speaker 4: I mean, he does have a lot.

2082
01:36:22,240 --> 01:36:24,439
Speaker 5: He does believe in the pro experience, so and talking

2083
01:36:24,479 --> 01:36:27,240
Speaker 5: to coach from about that, he believes he sees the

2084
01:36:27,280 --> 01:36:29,919
Speaker 5: game from a pro viewpoint, So you wanted people around

2085
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:33,759
Speaker 5: him that also viewed the game from a pro vantage point,

2086
01:36:33,840 --> 01:36:36,000
Speaker 5: which is why he has so many former pros, not

2087
01:36:36,080 --> 01:36:39,760
Speaker 5: only players, but coaches on that staff because they were

2088
01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:42,200
Speaker 5: trying to create a like vision and speak the same

2089
01:36:42,280 --> 01:36:43,519
Speaker 5: language in those moments.

2090
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Speaker 3: Interesting, it really is.

2091
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Speaker 2: Okay, I tell you what, I'm going to give out

2092
01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:48,360
Speaker 2: the phone up because I think that this is a

2093
01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:51,960
Speaker 2: topic that should be discussed rather than ignored, and it

2094
01:36:51,960 --> 01:36:54,519
Speaker 2: has been ignored, and you know, I think that we

2095
01:36:54,640 --> 01:36:56,439
Speaker 2: brought it to the forefront. We'll see if anybody else

2096
01:36:56,479 --> 01:36:58,960
Speaker 2: agrees or disagrees that it may be. We have x

2097
01:36:59,320 --> 01:37:02,000
Speaker 2: ax account with Bucky Brooks at Bucky Brooks at Andy

2098
01:37:02,040 --> 01:37:05,000
Speaker 2: Furman FSL. We'll read them, retweet them or Betty at

2099
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2104
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2105
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2107
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2109
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2111
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Speaker 2: He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Andy Firmanway on Fox Sports Sunday

2113
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Speaker 2: on Fox Sports Ready, and we live from the tire

2114
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Speaker 2: Rack dot Com studios. Bucky, we got a caller and

2115
01:37:56,479 --> 01:37:59,080
Speaker 2: maybe this diversity conversation was too tough.

2116
01:37:59,479 --> 01:38:01,599
Speaker 3: Maybe too it's difficult for people to digest.

2117
01:38:01,640 --> 01:38:04,040
Speaker 2: I don't know, but George from Missouri wants to talk

2118
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Speaker 2: to Bucky Brooks riding on Fox Bus Radio.

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Speaker 10: Oh, George, Hi, guys, I was just letting you know, Yeah,

2120
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Speaker 10: the race based hiring, the race based interviewing just doesn't

2121
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:17,639
Speaker 10: make sense. I don't even get how that's. The Rooney

2122
01:38:17,720 --> 01:38:20,800
Speaker 10: rule in itself isn't even we don't get how that's

2123
01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:23,680
Speaker 10: not even a racist thing. You could just hire and

2124
01:38:23,720 --> 01:38:27,080
Speaker 10: interview people based on merit, based on how good they're

2125
01:38:27,120 --> 01:38:30,320
Speaker 10: going to be, not just the color of their skins.

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Speaker 5: Okay, Well, part of the reason that they enacted the

2127
01:38:33,920 --> 01:38:39,080
Speaker 5: rule because people of color weren't getting interviews and that

2128
01:38:37,520 --> 01:38:42,920
Speaker 5: it like, so that's part of why they enacted the

2129
01:38:43,000 --> 01:38:46,040
Speaker 5: Rooney rule. If there were things where you felt like

2130
01:38:46,160 --> 01:38:48,920
Speaker 5: everyone was getting the opportunity to interview, then you wouldn't

2131
01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:51,400
Speaker 5: have to enact these policies. So when we talk about

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Speaker 5: racism and reverse racism where minorities are given opportunities or whatever,

2133
01:38:57,520 --> 01:39:00,799
Speaker 5: they're not given jobs, we're talking about simply having mandated

2134
01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:03,120
Speaker 5: where you have to interview them to see if they

2135
01:39:03,120 --> 01:39:06,400
Speaker 5: can qualify for jobs. But it's always this assumption that

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01:39:06,840 --> 01:39:11,600
Speaker 5: those who are minority are not qualified for these positions

2137
01:39:11,640 --> 01:39:13,679
Speaker 5: when they get them, and that is not the case

2138
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Speaker 5: because we've seen not only minorities failed in those positions,

2139
01:39:17,080 --> 01:39:20,240
Speaker 5: we've seen an overwhelming majority if a white's fell in positions.

2140
01:39:20,360 --> 01:39:23,200
Speaker 5: The positions are hard in itself, but what you're trying

2141
01:39:23,240 --> 01:39:26,719
Speaker 5: to do is grant opportunities to those to at least

2142
01:39:26,720 --> 01:39:30,280
Speaker 5: interview and see, maybe this person who I normally wouldn't interview,

2143
01:39:30,439 --> 01:39:32,759
Speaker 5: if this person offers something that I hadn't thought about

2144
01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:35,600
Speaker 5: when it comes to running my team or running a

2145
01:39:35,600 --> 01:39:36,519
Speaker 5: certain side of the ball.

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Speaker 10: Right, Yeah, it just seems like owners. I think it's

2147
01:39:42,080 --> 01:39:44,200
Speaker 10: a joke. They think the run rule is a joke.

2148
01:39:44,280 --> 01:39:46,000
Speaker 10: They're just doing it just to fill a coat. So

2149
01:39:46,040 --> 01:39:48,960
Speaker 10: don't get slapped by the NFL knowing that they're giving

2150
01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:51,920
Speaker 10: interviews out to people that truly aren't going to provide

2151
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Speaker 10: what they want, and they're not the people that actually

2152
01:39:54,120 --> 01:39:56,120
Speaker 10: want the first place. So it's kind of a pointless,

2153
01:39:56,600 --> 01:39:57,320
Speaker 10: useless thing.

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Speaker 2: Not really, I'll tell you what, because you say it's

2155
01:39:59,720 --> 01:40:02,080
Speaker 2: a joll. If it was a joke, then some teams

2156
01:40:02,080 --> 01:40:04,320
Speaker 2: will not create the initiatives of their own. The Tampa

2157
01:40:04,320 --> 01:40:08,000
Speaker 2: Bay Buccaneers have started a coaching academy back in twenty

2158
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Speaker 2: twenty three. During the offseason. Twenty five finalists are brought

2159
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Speaker 2: in and they're there for a week of on field

2160
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Speaker 2: working classroom sessions. So basically they don't think it's a

2161
01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:21,480
Speaker 2: joke because afterwards five are selected for the Diversity Fellowship

2162
01:40:21,680 --> 01:40:24,439
Speaker 2: during training camp. So teams not only not think as

2163
01:40:24,479 --> 01:40:28,200
Speaker 2: a joke, they're doing something about it to create opportunities

2164
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Speaker 2: for people who really and truly want to.

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Speaker 3: Work in the National Football League, So it's not a joke.

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Speaker 5: Well, but not only that, like the biggest beneficiators of

2167
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Speaker 5: these initiatives are typically white.

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Speaker 4: Women and those things.

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Speaker 5: So when you look at the women that are populating

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Speaker 5: the fields and filling these roles, most of them are

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Speaker 5: not people of color.

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Speaker 4: Most of them are white women who are.

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Speaker 5: Benefiting from the initiatives because the initiatives include all minorities,

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Speaker 5: and women would be included in the minority phase and

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01:40:57,720 --> 01:41:00,880
Speaker 5: not just women of color. And so these are initiatives

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01:41:00,920 --> 01:41:04,080
Speaker 5: that are designed to level out the playing field. So

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01:41:04,200 --> 01:41:09,719
Speaker 5: you populate your organization with people that reflect the country.

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01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:12,600
Speaker 5: And so in a very diverse country, you're trying to

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Speaker 5: have organizations that reflect that, particularly when you're the National

2180
01:41:15,680 --> 01:41:18,360
Speaker 5: Football League and you're trying to appeal to all fans,

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01:41:18,560 --> 01:41:21,479
Speaker 5: not just one segment of fandom in.

2182
01:41:21,439 --> 01:41:24,880
Speaker 2: America, all right, with that we move on because the

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01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:28,479
Speaker 2: Combine begins on Thursday, which is the twenty seventh of February,

2184
01:41:28,840 --> 01:41:29,759
Speaker 2: runs to March.

2185
01:41:29,800 --> 01:41:32,240
Speaker 3: The second look, you played.

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Speaker 2: In the National Football League, and you could explain better

2187
01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:37,560
Speaker 2: than anybody else pose you were involved in. What exactly

2188
01:41:37,640 --> 01:41:40,599
Speaker 2: is the combine, what does it prove? And what if

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01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:43,599
Speaker 2: you don't attend and you must you get invited to go.

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01:41:43,760 --> 01:41:46,400
Speaker 2: I want of all these factors about the combine. People

2191
01:41:46,479 --> 01:41:49,320
Speaker 2: go crazy turning on the TV to see guys running

2192
01:41:49,320 --> 01:41:50,200
Speaker 2: around in their underwear.

2193
01:41:50,360 --> 01:41:52,120
Speaker 3: I don't get it. You got to help me out here,

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01:41:52,160 --> 01:41:52,880
Speaker 3: Bucket Brooks.

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01:41:54,120 --> 01:41:57,679
Speaker 5: So the Combine is basically a four or five day

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01:41:57,760 --> 01:42:00,639
Speaker 5: interview for all of these NFL whole They are about

2197
01:42:00,640 --> 01:42:04,600
Speaker 5: three hundred and thirty prospects that are invited to Indianapolis.

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01:42:04,600 --> 01:42:08,000
Speaker 5: They go through a series of testing, medical interviews, and

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01:42:08,120 --> 01:42:11,320
Speaker 5: on field testing in front of probably about eight hundred

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01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:16,400
Speaker 5: NFL evaluators of NFL personnel and NFL personnel will use

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01:42:16,520 --> 01:42:20,680
Speaker 5: those i would say auditions or interviews to kind of

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01:42:20,960 --> 01:42:24,719
Speaker 5: help them fill out their scouting reports and further assess

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01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:28,760
Speaker 5: whether certain guys are perfect fits for their teams and

2204
01:42:28,800 --> 01:42:31,360
Speaker 5: where they stack on the draft boards. For the players,

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01:42:31,400 --> 01:42:35,160
Speaker 5: this is what you've been working for. This is kind

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01:42:35,160 --> 01:42:38,720
Speaker 5: of selling yourself, not only off the field, but on

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01:42:38,800 --> 01:42:41,800
Speaker 5: the field to a team a perspective team that you're

2208
01:42:41,840 --> 01:42:43,400
Speaker 5: good enough to play in the league and you're good

2209
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Speaker 5: enough to help a team.

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01:42:44,800 --> 01:42:46,320
Speaker 4: For the teams, it's really.

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01:42:46,080 --> 01:42:47,920
Speaker 5: One of the only opportunities you get a chance to

2212
01:42:47,960 --> 01:42:51,519
Speaker 5: sit down with young people that you're considering bringing into

2213
01:42:51,560 --> 01:42:55,240
Speaker 5: your organization and you're trying to assess their character. You're

2214
01:42:55,240 --> 01:42:57,840
Speaker 5: trying to assess their medical history and those things, and

2215
01:42:57,880 --> 01:43:01,160
Speaker 5: you're trying to project out how they would play in

2216
01:43:01,200 --> 01:43:04,240
Speaker 5: your organization for the long call. So it's a really

2217
01:43:05,320 --> 01:43:08,519
Speaker 5: important event. It's an event that has become a crazed

2218
01:43:08,520 --> 01:43:10,880
Speaker 5: event because you have so many people who are fascinated

2219
01:43:10,920 --> 01:43:11,559
Speaker 5: by the draft.

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01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:12,519
Speaker 4: I will say that.

2221
01:43:12,520 --> 01:43:15,960
Speaker 5: Fantasy football has encouraged a legional fans that they are

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01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:19,240
Speaker 5: capable of doing the gentlemen a job better than some

2223
01:43:19,320 --> 01:43:20,680
Speaker 5: of the gms.

2224
01:43:20,280 --> 01:43:21,280
Speaker 4: That are in the league.

2225
01:43:21,400 --> 01:43:23,759
Speaker 5: And so it kind of brings about all of those

2226
01:43:23,800 --> 01:43:27,400
Speaker 5: things that make it a very interesting event and one

2227
01:43:27,439 --> 01:43:30,000
Speaker 5: that has really drawn a lot of intrigue in all

2228
01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:30,839
Speaker 5: kinds of circles.

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01:43:31,280 --> 01:43:33,400
Speaker 3: Is you play invitation only for players?

2230
01:43:33,880 --> 01:43:35,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, for players it is by invitation.

2231
01:43:36,120 --> 01:43:40,320
Speaker 5: There's a committee that comes together and they determine which

2232
01:43:40,360 --> 01:43:43,600
Speaker 5: guys are worthy, which guys have grades high enough to

2233
01:43:43,640 --> 01:43:46,160
Speaker 5: come to the event, what positions they are going to

2234
01:43:46,160 --> 01:43:48,120
Speaker 5: be evaluated in in those things.

2235
01:43:48,160 --> 01:43:49,479
Speaker 4: But yeah, it is done by a panel.

2236
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:52,360
Speaker 2: Okay, what if you get an invitation and you decide

2237
01:43:52,400 --> 01:43:55,200
Speaker 2: not to go because it may hurt you as far

2238
01:43:55,240 --> 01:43:56,760
Speaker 2: as it's drafted. I mean, you know you're going to

2239
01:43:56,800 --> 01:43:59,559
Speaker 2: be right up there, maybe a first round, early second

2240
01:43:59,640 --> 01:44:02,280
Speaker 2: round there, and say I could only hurt myself by going.

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01:44:02,400 --> 01:44:03,200
Speaker 3: What if I don't go?

2242
01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:08,120
Speaker 5: Well, now, because there's a changing tide in terms of

2243
01:44:08,160 --> 01:44:09,880
Speaker 5: the way that players are going about it, like the

2244
01:44:09,960 --> 01:44:13,960
Speaker 5: player empowerment empowerment movement has changed a little bit about

2245
01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:15,720
Speaker 5: the way the combine operates.

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01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:18,200
Speaker 4: If I'm a h a top player.

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01:44:18,040 --> 01:44:21,200
Speaker 5: We just use Marvin Harrison Junior as an example, I

2248
01:44:21,240 --> 01:44:23,320
Speaker 5: can come to the combine, I can do all the interviews,

2249
01:44:23,320 --> 01:44:26,320
Speaker 5: and I can decline participating in all the other stuff,

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Speaker 5: whether it's the medical, whether it's the running, the testing

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01:44:28,800 --> 01:44:30,720
Speaker 5: and all that. I can do that, and then I

2252
01:44:30,720 --> 01:44:33,400
Speaker 5: could leave it up to the teams to determine whether

2253
01:44:33,439 --> 01:44:37,240
Speaker 5: they want to pick me or not. Kavin Williams also

2254
01:44:37,479 --> 01:44:39,840
Speaker 5: took that test, and you'll see more guys, more top

2255
01:44:39,880 --> 01:44:42,400
Speaker 5: guys take that. Yeah, I'm not doing the medical I'm

2256
01:44:42,400 --> 01:44:44,040
Speaker 5: not running around. I'll meet with you, but I'm not

2257
01:44:44,080 --> 01:44:47,599
Speaker 5: doing much beyond that, and that's their right. And then

2258
01:44:47,640 --> 01:44:50,360
Speaker 5: teams have to make a hard decision on whether they're

2259
01:44:50,400 --> 01:44:52,599
Speaker 5: okay with that or they're not okay with that. Do

2260
01:44:52,640 --> 01:44:55,559
Speaker 5: they believe in the player and they're willing to look

2261
01:44:55,640 --> 01:44:56,879
Speaker 5: past their.

2262
01:44:56,800 --> 01:44:59,719
Speaker 4: Decision to decline invitations.

2263
01:44:59,160 --> 01:45:01,479
Speaker 5: Or are they to focus on guys who do all

2264
01:45:01,520 --> 01:45:03,439
Speaker 5: of the stuff there so they can have a full

2265
01:45:03,479 --> 01:45:06,360
Speaker 5: battery of information to be able to make a true assessment.

2266
01:45:06,760 --> 01:45:09,360
Speaker 5: That's on the teams, but you will see more players

2267
01:45:10,160 --> 01:45:12,599
Speaker 5: opt to date that kind of approach, and it's going

2268
01:45:12,680 --> 01:45:15,200
Speaker 5: to be fascinating to see how teams approach those guys

2269
01:45:15,479 --> 01:45:18,840
Speaker 5: who declined to work out, declined to interview and do

2270
01:45:18,960 --> 01:45:20,000
Speaker 5: all the medical stuff.

2271
01:45:20,600 --> 01:45:23,040
Speaker 2: So what I'm hearing that if you're a top prospect,

2272
01:45:24,000 --> 01:45:27,640
Speaker 2: the combine could only hurt you, not really help you.

2273
01:45:27,920 --> 01:45:28,600
Speaker 3: It could hurt you.

2274
01:45:29,760 --> 01:45:31,880
Speaker 4: I mean I wouldn't say that it can hurt you.

2275
01:45:31,920 --> 01:45:35,639
Speaker 5: I would say that if you're a top prospect, they

2276
01:45:35,720 --> 01:45:38,479
Speaker 5: ultimately have to wait, the risk and rewards in terms

2277
01:45:38,560 --> 01:45:41,160
Speaker 5: of what are the rewards of me doing all of

2278
01:45:41,200 --> 01:45:44,160
Speaker 5: these things? How much can I enhance my status on

2279
01:45:44,320 --> 01:45:47,320
Speaker 5: draft boards across the league? Is it worth putting myself

2280
01:45:47,360 --> 01:45:50,600
Speaker 5: out there where I could potentially get hurt doing a workout,

2281
01:45:50,840 --> 01:45:54,960
Speaker 5: I could suffer an injury that impacts my long term

2282
01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:57,840
Speaker 5: potential in those things? Is it worth me going out

2283
01:45:57,880 --> 01:46:02,120
Speaker 5: and participating that and potentially jeopardizing my status now? Or

2284
01:46:02,160 --> 01:46:05,080
Speaker 5: do I need to check off a few more boxes

2285
01:46:05,120 --> 01:46:08,519
Speaker 5: to convince the league that I'm worthy of being guitarp pick.

2286
01:46:08,840 --> 01:46:11,840
Speaker 5: Those are decisions that players and their agents have to make.

2287
01:46:11,880 --> 01:46:13,439
Speaker 3: It make okay.

2288
01:46:13,640 --> 01:46:16,519
Speaker 2: What's the difference between the combine which is certainly from

2289
01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:19,160
Speaker 2: Thursday totally the second of March, which would be a

2290
01:46:19,200 --> 01:46:23,040
Speaker 2: week from Tuesday. What is the difference between that and

2291
01:46:23,160 --> 01:46:26,040
Speaker 2: when they have these college pro days on campus? But

2292
01:46:26,240 --> 01:46:28,559
Speaker 2: to me, that's a setup because of college Pro Day.

2293
01:46:28,560 --> 01:46:31,280
Speaker 2: If I'm a quarterback, I'm bringing in my own receivers

2294
01:46:31,320 --> 01:46:34,200
Speaker 2: out there my own campus'll right my own backyard. But

2295
01:46:34,280 --> 01:46:37,599
Speaker 2: what's the difference As far as a pro scout, we're

2296
01:46:37,640 --> 01:46:41,240
Speaker 2: looking for a potential recruit or a potential player to draft.

2297
01:46:41,439 --> 01:46:42,840
Speaker 3: What is the difference there.

2298
01:46:43,280 --> 01:46:44,960
Speaker 4: But the main difference is at the Combine.

2299
01:46:45,840 --> 01:46:50,160
Speaker 5: Every team is in attendance, every team, all the decision makers,

2300
01:46:50,479 --> 01:46:51,320
Speaker 5: all the hitvy hitters.

2301
01:46:51,360 --> 01:46:52,080
Speaker 4: You won't get a.

2302
01:46:52,160 --> 01:46:57,679
Speaker 5: Better attended NFL event than the Combine. When you're doing

2303
01:46:57,720 --> 01:47:00,640
Speaker 5: a pro day, you may get a small fraction of

2304
01:47:00,720 --> 01:47:02,840
Speaker 5: the people that were at the Combine to attend your

2305
01:47:02,960 --> 01:47:05,920
Speaker 5: pro day. And you have to remember that all these

2306
01:47:05,960 --> 01:47:09,120
Speaker 5: other pro days are going on simultaneously while you're doing yours,

2307
01:47:09,360 --> 01:47:11,240
Speaker 5: so you're not the center of attention when it comes

2308
01:47:11,280 --> 01:47:14,360
Speaker 5: to all of the decision makers. This is the one

2309
01:47:14,439 --> 01:47:16,880
Speaker 5: opportunity that you get a chance to work out in

2310
01:47:16,880 --> 01:47:19,479
Speaker 5: front of all thirty two teams. You get a chance

2311
01:47:19,520 --> 01:47:21,920
Speaker 5: to work out in front of every general manager, every

2312
01:47:22,000 --> 01:47:25,599
Speaker 5: VP of personnel, director of college scouting. All of that

2313
01:47:26,040 --> 01:47:29,760
Speaker 5: happens in the building. Once you get outside of the Combine,

2314
01:47:29,880 --> 01:47:31,800
Speaker 5: there are no guarantees that those guys are going to

2315
01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:35,240
Speaker 5: come see you. So you're rolling the dice that I

2316
01:47:35,280 --> 01:47:39,120
Speaker 5: won't get enough eyeballs on me if I decline working

2317
01:47:39,160 --> 01:47:41,000
Speaker 5: out at the Combine and hold everything to my.

2318
01:47:41,040 --> 01:47:42,960
Speaker 2: Prodem Okay, so let me get this stract. I go

2319
01:47:43,000 --> 01:47:44,880
Speaker 2: to the Combine. S Are you probably went to the

2320
01:47:44,920 --> 01:47:46,559
Speaker 2: Combine correct out of North.

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01:47:46,400 --> 01:47:47,880
Speaker 4: Carolina nineteen ninety four.

2322
01:47:47,960 --> 01:47:50,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, you go to the Combine and there's no

2323
01:47:50,160 --> 01:47:52,479
Speaker 2: problem because you can pack your bags. You go out there,

2324
01:47:52,600 --> 01:47:54,280
Speaker 2: you pay your own way, you pay your own freight

2325
01:47:54,320 --> 01:47:54,519
Speaker 2: to go.

2326
01:47:54,840 --> 01:47:57,400
Speaker 4: No, they do everything. The NFL foots the bill for

2327
01:47:57,439 --> 01:47:58,120
Speaker 4: all of that stuff.

2328
01:47:58,160 --> 01:48:00,160
Speaker 2: Okay, so you go there, you spend the time, at

2329
01:48:00,160 --> 01:48:01,600
Speaker 2: four or five days, you do what you gotta do.

2330
01:48:01,640 --> 01:48:04,040
Speaker 2: When you come home, right, and everybody's watching, all the

2331
01:48:04,040 --> 01:48:07,519
Speaker 2: eyeballs are on you. The pro day basically, I guess

2332
01:48:07,640 --> 01:48:11,160
Speaker 2: you have to have an agent, you know, writing or

2333
01:48:11,200 --> 01:48:14,360
Speaker 2: calling the various teams say look, my guy, Bucky Brooks

2334
01:48:14,479 --> 01:48:17,360
Speaker 2: is gonna be at North Carolina next Saturday. You may

2335
01:48:17,400 --> 01:48:19,200
Speaker 2: want to come out there and watch them. That's and

2336
01:48:19,200 --> 01:48:20,640
Speaker 2: you gotta hope that someone shows up.

2337
01:48:20,720 --> 01:48:23,599
Speaker 4: Right. No, it's different. So what happened at the Combine.

2338
01:48:23,640 --> 01:48:26,200
Speaker 5: They will make an announcement, They'll say, Bucky Brooks University

2339
01:48:26,240 --> 01:48:29,840
Speaker 5: of North Carolina pro Day is whatever. Every school will

2340
01:48:29,920 --> 01:48:33,680
Speaker 5: set their pro day and that date will be on

2341
01:48:33,720 --> 01:48:37,800
Speaker 5: the calendar. And what happens is Scouts will mark their

2342
01:48:37,840 --> 01:48:42,280
Speaker 5: calendars with those days, and normally in areas clusters, you'll

2343
01:48:42,320 --> 01:48:45,120
Speaker 5: have guys go in succession. So for instance, I went

2344
01:48:45,120 --> 01:48:49,320
Speaker 5: to North Carolina, So North Carolina will go on Tuesday,

2345
01:48:50,080 --> 01:48:53,080
Speaker 5: then NC State will go on Wednesday, Duke will go

2346
01:48:53,200 --> 01:48:56,200
Speaker 5: on Thursday. So the scouts will be able to kind

2347
01:48:56,200 --> 01:48:58,720
Speaker 5: of roll through all of those major.

2348
01:48:58,439 --> 01:49:01,000
Speaker 4: Schools to be able to what they need to see

2349
01:49:01,000 --> 01:49:01,799
Speaker 4: and get done.

2350
01:49:01,960 --> 01:49:04,760
Speaker 5: And so that entire week will be dedicated to those

2351
01:49:04,760 --> 01:49:07,840
Speaker 5: schools in those areas East Carolina, Wake Forest and all that.

2352
01:49:08,080 --> 01:49:10,840
Speaker 5: And so you will map out your schedule for the

2353
01:49:10,880 --> 01:49:14,920
Speaker 5: spring based upon the popular dates for pro days and

2354
01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:18,280
Speaker 5: which prospects do you need to see? And did I

2355
01:49:18,320 --> 01:49:20,120
Speaker 5: see him at the combine? If I didn't see him

2356
01:49:20,120 --> 01:49:22,320
Speaker 5: at the combine, does he have a high enough grade

2357
01:49:22,360 --> 01:49:26,280
Speaker 5: to entice me to make the drive there? Or yeah,

2358
01:49:26,439 --> 01:49:28,160
Speaker 5: his grade isn't high enough for me to go there.

2359
01:49:28,200 --> 01:49:30,040
Speaker 5: We'll just get the numbers and I won't worry about

2360
01:49:30,040 --> 01:49:34,200
Speaker 5: getting the up close and personal eyeball look see on

2361
01:49:34,280 --> 01:49:34,679
Speaker 5: the player.

2362
01:49:35,200 --> 01:49:37,240
Speaker 2: Do players get a chance to see the results of

2363
01:49:37,280 --> 01:49:38,559
Speaker 2: their combined scores?

2364
01:49:40,040 --> 01:49:42,800
Speaker 5: Yes, like all this stuff is all this stuff is, Yeah,

2365
01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:45,679
Speaker 5: it is available for him. Like everyone will know now

2366
01:49:45,680 --> 01:49:48,800
Speaker 5: with the NFL Network and NFL Media being a part

2367
01:49:48,840 --> 01:49:50,960
Speaker 5: of it, they know what they have in terms of

2368
01:49:51,000 --> 01:49:53,040
Speaker 5: how fast they run, how high they jump, all of

2369
01:49:53,040 --> 01:49:55,640
Speaker 5: those other things. The thing that they won't know is

2370
01:49:56,200 --> 01:49:59,160
Speaker 5: what teams think about them in terms of watching their

2371
01:49:59,200 --> 01:50:02,160
Speaker 5: positional drill and those things. The other thing that they

2372
01:50:02,200 --> 01:50:05,800
Speaker 5: won't know the times that show up on NFL dot com.

2373
01:50:06,040 --> 01:50:10,040
Speaker 5: In those things, those are what we call like official numbers, right,

2374
01:50:10,120 --> 01:50:13,920
Speaker 5: So those are numbers that may be electronic time. The

2375
01:50:13,960 --> 01:50:17,200
Speaker 5: times that the people have in the stands, those are

2376
01:50:17,439 --> 01:50:18,240
Speaker 5: handheld times.

2377
01:50:18,240 --> 01:50:19,839
Speaker 4: So those times may be a little faster.

2378
01:50:20,280 --> 01:50:23,559
Speaker 5: So on TV, if you hear them utter a such

2379
01:50:23,560 --> 01:50:27,439
Speaker 5: and such ran a four to four, more likely they

2380
01:50:27,520 --> 01:50:28,600
Speaker 5: ran a little faster.

2381
01:50:28,400 --> 01:50:29,719
Speaker 4: Than that, depending on the watch.

2382
01:50:30,120 --> 01:50:33,639
Speaker 5: Normally, the electronic times that are used the official times

2383
01:50:34,000 --> 01:50:38,400
Speaker 5: are probably about anywhere from zero point eight to point

2384
01:50:38,479 --> 01:50:41,519
Speaker 5: oh five slower than what we would normally get on

2385
01:50:41,640 --> 01:50:45,240
Speaker 5: a handheld And so what teams do is they tend

2386
01:50:45,280 --> 01:50:47,240
Speaker 5: to take their own time. So when you're at the

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Speaker 5: combine end and they have the official timing, when I'm

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01:50:49,800 --> 01:50:50,840
Speaker 5: in the stands.

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Speaker 4: Working for let's just say the Jaguars, I clock it.

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01:50:53,520 --> 01:50:56,559
Speaker 5: I write it down because when I go on the

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01:50:56,600 --> 01:50:58,760
Speaker 5: pro day, I don't have the luxury of using the

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01:50:58,800 --> 01:51:02,960
Speaker 5: electronic time. But my time and my timing is consistent

2393
01:51:03,000 --> 01:51:06,479
Speaker 5: because I'm always traveling with my watch, and so over time,

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01:51:06,880 --> 01:51:09,000
Speaker 5: my four to four in Indy is gonna match the

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01:51:09,040 --> 01:51:12,479
Speaker 5: same four or four to five that is clocked at

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01:51:12,520 --> 01:51:13,839
Speaker 5: East Carolina or whatever.

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Speaker 4: So all of those things matter.

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01:51:15,600 --> 01:51:19,360
Speaker 5: And by rule, the NFL team takes the best time.

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Speaker 4: That you record anywhere. So whether it's at.

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01:51:21,680 --> 01:51:25,280
Speaker 5: The Combine, your Pro day, somewhere else in a private workout,

2401
01:51:25,600 --> 01:51:28,240
Speaker 5: the best measurement, the best time that you put down,

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01:51:28,439 --> 01:51:30,439
Speaker 5: that is the one that registers on your draft card.

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01:51:30,920 --> 01:51:33,599
Speaker 2: Okay, And I've always run an impression that the Cincinnati

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01:51:33,600 --> 01:51:36,719
Speaker 2: Bengals have a smaller or one of the smallest scouting

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01:51:36,760 --> 01:51:39,480
Speaker 2: staffs in the league. Now, when you go to the Combine,

2406
01:51:39,760 --> 01:51:43,160
Speaker 2: do certain teams have a larger contingent of scouts there

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01:51:43,200 --> 01:51:43,719
Speaker 2: than others?

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01:51:44,920 --> 01:51:47,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean there's some teams that have large scouting staffs.

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01:51:47,360 --> 01:51:50,839
Speaker 5: There's some teams that prefer small staff It just depends.

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01:51:50,840 --> 01:51:53,080
Speaker 5: The Cincinnati Bengals were always one of those that had

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01:51:53,080 --> 01:51:56,760
Speaker 5: a smaller staff. And they had a smaller staff because, look,

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01:51:56,800 --> 01:51:59,799
Speaker 5: they subscribed to a service. There were two services, Blessedo

2413
01:52:00,160 --> 01:52:02,920
Speaker 5: and National, and they used to operate on the fact

2414
01:52:02,920 --> 01:52:04,680
Speaker 5: that we're paying for that, Why do we need to

2415
01:52:04,720 --> 01:52:06,360
Speaker 5: hire all of these other scouts? And they would have

2416
01:52:06,400 --> 01:52:08,760
Speaker 5: their coaches Back in the day when Marvin Lewis and

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01:52:08,800 --> 01:52:10,519
Speaker 5: those guys were going, all the coaches would go out

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01:52:10,560 --> 01:52:12,799
Speaker 5: and do the scouting and do that with a handful

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01:52:12,800 --> 01:52:14,960
Speaker 5: of other guys helping them along the way.

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01:52:15,280 --> 01:52:16,679
Speaker 4: They've grown since.

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01:52:16,479 --> 01:52:20,519
Speaker 5: Then, but they still don't employ a huge scouting staff. Yeah,

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01:52:20,560 --> 01:52:22,960
Speaker 5: but you have different people the different philosophies. It's just

2423
01:52:23,040 --> 01:52:25,559
Speaker 5: like business. Some people choose to operate with a very

2424
01:52:25,680 --> 01:52:30,040
Speaker 5: robust staff. Some people keep it streamlined and small and tight.

2425
01:52:30,439 --> 01:52:32,519
Speaker 5: Just that it depends on your overall philosophy on how

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01:52:32,520 --> 01:52:33,479
Speaker 5: you want to run your business.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Last, but not least, Okay, you wrote something very

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01:52:36,439 --> 01:52:38,760
Speaker 2: creative this week on Fox Sports. I looked at the

2429
01:52:38,760 --> 01:52:40,400
Speaker 2: Fox Sports when this year. I think you wrote about

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01:52:40,520 --> 01:52:44,919
Speaker 2: a quarterback pass Russia or Unicorn. Okay, shoulduor Sanders obviously,

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01:52:45,000 --> 01:52:48,719
Speaker 2: Miami's cam Ward Penn State's Abdul Carter and Colorados Travis Hunter.

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01:52:48,880 --> 01:52:51,599
Speaker 2: I guess Travis Hunter's the unicorn could go both ways. Okay,

2433
01:52:51,800 --> 01:52:53,639
Speaker 2: and Tennessee looks like they're going to have the first

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01:52:53,640 --> 01:52:57,200
Speaker 2: pick unless they trade over there. So what is your

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01:52:57,240 --> 01:53:00,719
Speaker 2: suggestion for Tennessee. Because the unicorn Travis Hunter could play

2436
01:53:00,800 --> 01:53:02,839
Speaker 2: both ways, where would he play?

2437
01:53:03,200 --> 01:53:05,720
Speaker 3: And who do you think Tennessee picks?

2438
01:53:07,080 --> 01:53:11,240
Speaker 5: You know, in doing that, when we talk about number

2439
01:53:11,240 --> 01:53:13,040
Speaker 5: one pick, you should be able to close your eyes

2440
01:53:13,080 --> 01:53:15,400
Speaker 5: and envision this guy eventually walk into the Hall of Fame.

2441
01:53:15,760 --> 01:53:18,280
Speaker 5: That's the standard that you should have for the position.

2442
01:53:18,400 --> 01:53:21,160
Speaker 5: That's the standard for the number one overall picks.

2443
01:53:21,160 --> 01:53:21,720
Speaker 4: They should be.

2444
01:53:21,640 --> 01:53:24,760
Speaker 5: Guys that you can see them eventually becoming Hall of

2445
01:53:24,760 --> 01:53:27,439
Speaker 5: Fame type players. When we talk about the four guys

2446
01:53:27,439 --> 01:53:31,000
Speaker 5: that could be in consideration, cam Ward Shawdur Sanders, Abdul Carter,

2447
01:53:31,080 --> 01:53:33,960
Speaker 5: and Travis Hunter in any order, which of those guys

2448
01:53:34,040 --> 01:53:38,439
Speaker 5: exhibit those traits? All of them are kind of guys

2449
01:53:38,479 --> 01:53:41,200
Speaker 5: that maybe in the right system, maybe those things can happen.

2450
01:53:41,400 --> 01:53:45,479
Speaker 5: Shader Sanders is a prototypical quarterback, great talent when it

2451
01:53:45,520 --> 01:53:48,240
Speaker 5: comes to operating in the system. He is the traditional

2452
01:53:48,240 --> 01:53:51,479
Speaker 5: classic quarterback that's played in the league forever. He holds

2453
01:53:51,479 --> 01:53:54,000
Speaker 5: onto the ball a long time, He's taken sacks, but

2454
01:53:54,000 --> 01:53:58,320
Speaker 5: he's also helped to programs turn around from being dormant

2455
01:53:58,360 --> 01:54:01,479
Speaker 5: to being really really good under his direction in Jackson

2456
01:54:01,479 --> 01:54:06,320
Speaker 5: State and Colorado. Kem Ward is super talented, great tool

2457
01:54:06,479 --> 01:54:08,920
Speaker 5: side on through or big time arm talent, a gun

2458
01:54:08,960 --> 01:54:13,240
Speaker 5: slinger with a fearless mentality, alpha dog leader, but he

2459
01:54:13,320 --> 01:54:16,439
Speaker 5: is so aggressive that his decisions can get him into trouble,

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01:54:16,479 --> 01:54:19,000
Speaker 5: particularly down in the red zone. So can you curb

2461
01:54:19,120 --> 01:54:21,439
Speaker 5: some of that out of him? A dual Carter dominant

2462
01:54:21,439 --> 01:54:24,960
Speaker 5: pass rush of great athleticism, natural just finding his way

2463
01:54:25,000 --> 01:54:27,120
Speaker 5: as a pass rusher, but he has the tools to

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01:54:27,160 --> 01:54:31,160
Speaker 5: be a dominant player. Not quite the transcendent generational talent

2465
01:54:31,240 --> 01:54:33,480
Speaker 5: that people are talking about, but he is really good,

2466
01:54:33,640 --> 01:54:37,240
Speaker 5: really impactful, and at that position. Man past rush ability

2467
01:54:37,320 --> 01:54:40,560
Speaker 5: is covered at a premium. Travis Hunter is terrific because

2468
01:54:40,600 --> 01:54:43,520
Speaker 5: he has great ball skills wonder butlitnikoff as a wide receiver,

2469
01:54:43,600 --> 01:54:47,240
Speaker 5: but is better positioned to probably be a cornerback in

2470
01:54:47,280 --> 01:54:50,840
Speaker 5: the league. Vision, instincts, awareness, knack for taking.

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01:54:50,560 --> 01:54:53,760
Speaker 4: The ball away. He is really good. Of those guys.

2472
01:54:54,160 --> 01:54:56,640
Speaker 5: Look, I would say that people are talking about Travis Hunner,

2473
01:54:56,680 --> 01:54:58,840
Speaker 5: but a dual Carter has those things.

2474
01:54:58,680 --> 01:55:00,520
Speaker 4: That lead to believe that he could be really, really

2475
01:55:00,560 --> 01:55:01,920
Speaker 4: special in the league.

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01:55:02,040 --> 01:55:04,480
Speaker 5: The two quarterbacks can be really good and in the

2477
01:55:04,560 --> 01:55:07,280
Speaker 5: right system, they could pop at a major level. Tennessee

2478
01:55:07,320 --> 01:55:09,440
Speaker 5: has to make a decision on what do they want

2479
01:55:09,480 --> 01:55:10,320
Speaker 5: and who they want to be.

2480
01:55:10,360 --> 01:55:13,040
Speaker 4: If they can field the quarterback elsewhere, then you.

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01:55:13,000 --> 01:55:14,880
Speaker 5: Take one of the position players and I would say

2482
01:55:14,880 --> 01:55:18,280
Speaker 5: probably Abdual Carter Pats Rusher always over cornered when it

2483
01:55:18,280 --> 01:55:18,760
Speaker 5: comes to the.

2484
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Speaker 2: Draft, Well said, obviously you want the questions to answer,

2485
01:55:22,040 --> 01:55:23,880
Speaker 2: you go to Bucket Brooks. He's the man, he really is,

2486
01:55:24,000 --> 01:55:25,520
Speaker 2: all right, I'm Andy Ferman.

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01:55:25,560 --> 01:55:26,000
Speaker 4: He is the man.

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01:55:26,040 --> 01:55:30,840
Speaker 2: He's Bucket Brooks, and the blame game is freaking next.

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01:55:30,880 --> 01:55:33,960
Speaker 2: The blame game coming right up. He's Bucky Brooks. I'm

2490
01:55:33,960 --> 01:55:37,440
Speaker 2: Andy Firman. We are Fox Sports Sunday. I'm Fox Sports Radio.

2491
01:55:37,480 --> 01:55:39,879
Speaker 2: Of course we're a lie for the Tyrock dot Com studios.

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01:55:40,000 --> 01:55:42,960
Speaker 2: Top of the hour at nine am Eastern, it's countdown

2493
01:55:43,040 --> 01:55:45,240
Speaker 2: right here. I'm Fox Sports Radio. But right now it's

2494
01:55:45,280 --> 01:55:48,480
Speaker 2: time fault the playing game. You ru with me, it's

2495
01:55:48,560 --> 01:55:51,800
Speaker 2: all your fault. No, it's your fault.

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01:55:51,480 --> 01:55:52,720
Speaker 1: It is all your fault.

2497
01:55:56,160 --> 01:56:00,520
Speaker 3: Maybe it's everyone's fault. See the liar. That's why there's

2498
01:56:00,520 --> 01:56:03,600
Speaker 3: the blame game game. Let's figure out who to blame.

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01:56:04,320 --> 01:56:05,160
Speaker 1: He's a blame game.

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01:56:05,240 --> 01:56:09,400
Speaker 2: He's Patty, our executive producing you. Let's do it, Patty,

2501
01:56:09,480 --> 01:56:10,320
Speaker 2: Let's do it baby.

2502
01:56:10,360 --> 01:56:13,520
Speaker 9: All right, well, let's start this off with the blame game, guys.

2503
01:56:14,120 --> 01:56:18,160
Speaker 9: The NBA All Star Game TV ratings went in the tank,

2504
01:56:18,480 --> 01:56:19,960
Speaker 9: down thirteen percent.

2505
01:56:20,080 --> 01:56:22,400
Speaker 1: Guys, who do you blame? Andy?

2506
01:56:23,040 --> 01:56:25,240
Speaker 2: It's really easy to blame the commissioner of this spot

2507
01:56:25,280 --> 01:56:28,680
Speaker 2: because everything travels uphill in business. It really does. If

2508
01:56:28,680 --> 01:56:31,600
Speaker 2: a bank does poorly, it's the CEO of the president. Okay,

2509
01:56:31,760 --> 01:56:34,600
Speaker 2: But at this point in time, I think it's the players.

2510
01:56:34,880 --> 01:56:38,160
Speaker 2: I mean, with this load management to three point shots,

2511
01:56:38,400 --> 01:56:40,440
Speaker 2: I just think they've changed the game and rude it

2512
01:56:40,480 --> 01:56:43,280
Speaker 2: in the fans' eyes. And that's why the ratings are done.

2513
01:56:43,360 --> 01:56:46,200
Speaker 2: Blaming the I'm blaming the players. I really am this time.

2514
01:56:47,040 --> 01:56:49,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I blame the player. I actually blame everybody.

2515
01:56:49,480 --> 01:56:52,720
Speaker 5: Like style of play, players not playing load management, stars

2516
01:56:52,800 --> 01:56:55,800
Speaker 5: not shooting up. Lebron didn't play. All those things makes

2517
01:56:55,840 --> 01:56:58,160
Speaker 5: it's hard to watch. People tune in to watch the stars,

2518
01:56:58,160 --> 01:57:00,680
Speaker 5: and when the stars don't participate and the stars aren't

2519
01:57:00,680 --> 01:57:02,320
Speaker 5: playing at a high level, it doesn't work.

2520
01:57:03,200 --> 01:57:05,440
Speaker 9: All right, Well, that's the NBA side of things. We're

2521
01:57:05,440 --> 01:57:07,920
Speaker 9: gonna go to the lady side of things. Guys, the

2522
01:57:08,080 --> 01:57:12,760
Speaker 9: w NBA trading cards surpassed NBA counterparts in value.

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01:57:13,240 --> 01:57:14,320
Speaker 1: Who do you blame, Bucky?

2524
01:57:16,080 --> 01:57:18,440
Speaker 5: Look, I would blame the ladies in terms of they've

2525
01:57:18,440 --> 01:57:20,400
Speaker 5: done a really good job of growing their product, and

2526
01:57:21,080 --> 01:57:23,520
Speaker 5: of late the last few years, we've seen some stars

2527
01:57:23,520 --> 01:57:25,640
Speaker 5: come into the league. People that talk about Kaitlyn Clark

2528
01:57:25,840 --> 01:57:28,640
Speaker 5: and adew Reeves, but they've been so many other ladies

2529
01:57:28,680 --> 01:57:30,840
Speaker 5: who've really done a great job of elevating the sports.

2530
01:57:30,840 --> 01:57:34,720
Speaker 5: But it's Kelsey Plumb or you talk about Aja Wilson.

2531
01:57:35,240 --> 01:57:38,080
Speaker 5: There are a lot of players that have really grown

2532
01:57:38,480 --> 01:57:40,920
Speaker 5: and they've kind of struck the fan base.

2533
01:57:40,960 --> 01:57:43,360
Speaker 4: So yeah, I blame the players. You know.

2534
01:57:43,520 --> 01:57:45,840
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say that the ladies game is a

2535
01:57:45,920 --> 01:57:48,400
Speaker 2: better game than the men's game, but I think there's

2536
01:57:48,480 --> 01:57:51,480
Speaker 2: more interest in the ladies game right now because I

2537
01:57:51,480 --> 01:57:54,240
Speaker 2: think the public knows what they're going to get with

2538
01:57:54,320 --> 01:57:56,880
Speaker 2: the men's game, with the WNBA, with the NBA. They

2539
01:57:56,920 --> 01:57:59,520
Speaker 2: don't know what they're going to get with the women's game.

2540
01:57:59,560 --> 01:58:02,919
Speaker 2: And I think Caitlyn Clark opened the door. Angel Reestoo

2541
01:58:03,040 --> 01:58:06,320
Speaker 2: to some extent as well. They have a battle Royale

2542
01:58:06,400 --> 01:58:09,640
Speaker 2: it's like the Larry Bird Magic thing. When Larry Bird

2543
01:58:09,720 --> 01:58:12,000
Speaker 2: Magic played in the NBA, it was big. There was

2544
01:58:12,720 --> 01:58:15,120
Speaker 2: a villain sort of speak, a hero sort to speak,

2545
01:58:15,160 --> 01:58:18,360
Speaker 2: whatever it may be. WNB is attracted and they've done that.

2546
01:58:18,600 --> 01:58:20,840
Speaker 2: And that's why the WNBA. It has nothing to do

2547
01:58:20,920 --> 01:58:23,760
Speaker 2: with the game. I think it's the players within the game.

2548
01:58:24,720 --> 01:58:26,920
Speaker 9: All right, players within the game. Well, we're gonna go

2549
01:58:26,960 --> 01:58:30,120
Speaker 9: to college football in this one, guys. So college football

2550
01:58:30,160 --> 01:58:33,120
Speaker 9: is looking to expand playoffs for every reason, but making

2551
01:58:33,160 --> 01:58:36,320
Speaker 9: it more competitive with the Big ten and the SEC

2552
01:58:36,520 --> 01:58:42,480
Speaker 9: gettin sweet spots end quote Rob Parker, who you blameing Andy?

2553
01:58:43,640 --> 01:58:45,800
Speaker 2: Well, I think you got to blame the commissioners and

2554
01:58:45,880 --> 01:58:48,080
Speaker 2: a big ten in the SEC. I mean yes, I

2555
01:58:48,120 --> 01:58:50,120
Speaker 2: think the public wants to see it expand them because

2556
01:58:50,120 --> 01:58:52,920
Speaker 2: they love college football. You know, they always say less

2557
01:58:53,000 --> 01:58:55,800
Speaker 2: is more, more is better, more is better. That's why

2558
01:58:55,800 --> 01:58:58,760
Speaker 2: the NFL's going to go to eighteen games. More is better.

2559
01:58:58,960 --> 01:59:02,080
Speaker 2: But it's gonna be on They're a fear umbrella. That's

2560
01:59:02,120 --> 01:59:04,760
Speaker 2: the key right there. You cannot have teams locked in.

2561
01:59:04,960 --> 01:59:08,160
Speaker 2: You can't have fifty percent of the tournament decided by

2562
01:59:08,200 --> 01:59:11,200
Speaker 2: a big ten in the SEC. Before the season even starts.

2563
01:59:11,320 --> 01:59:13,800
Speaker 2: There's something wrong with that. But yeah, expand it. I

2564
01:59:13,800 --> 01:59:14,440
Speaker 2: think it's good.

2565
01:59:16,200 --> 01:59:18,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, expanding it is good because you've got more teams

2566
01:59:18,920 --> 01:59:20,800
Speaker 5: and it is a harder journey for the team to

2567
01:59:20,840 --> 01:59:21,520
Speaker 5: get to the top.

2568
01:59:22,520 --> 01:59:24,040
Speaker 4: Whether we have the quota system in.

2569
01:59:24,080 --> 01:59:26,840
Speaker 5: Terms of the number of SEC and Big ten teams,

2570
01:59:26,840 --> 01:59:29,960
Speaker 5: we can debate that, but I think expanding is only better.

2571
01:59:29,960 --> 01:59:32,400
Speaker 5: It's just like high school. Hey, let's see the championship

2572
01:59:32,440 --> 01:59:34,240
Speaker 5: teams run the gauntlet to become champs.

2573
01:59:35,040 --> 01:59:37,440
Speaker 9: All right, all right, Well final one for you guys.

2574
01:59:37,640 --> 01:59:43,720
Speaker 9: We're seeing many major college football brand basketball coaches quitting

2575
01:59:43,760 --> 01:59:47,480
Speaker 9: before their time. Who do you blame, Bucky?

2576
01:59:48,520 --> 01:59:50,600
Speaker 5: I blame the coaches because some of them are being

2577
01:59:50,680 --> 01:59:53,480
Speaker 5: wimpy when it comes to it, there's a changing landscape.

2578
01:59:53,520 --> 01:59:55,320
Speaker 5: They don't like how the landscape is Chames where the

2579
01:59:55,320 --> 01:59:56,280
Speaker 5: players are empowered.

2580
01:59:56,440 --> 01:59:57,760
Speaker 4: They need to suck it up in coaching.

2581
01:59:58,960 --> 02:00:00,800
Speaker 2: You know, I hate to do this. I hate to

2582
02:00:00,840 --> 02:00:03,360
Speaker 2: agree with Bucky Brooks, I really do. I love you

2583
02:00:03,440 --> 02:00:05,240
Speaker 2: to death. I hate to agree, but I do agree

2584
02:00:05,280 --> 02:00:09,200
Speaker 2: because the coaches they're afraid, they just can't adapt, and

2585
02:00:09,280 --> 02:00:12,320
Speaker 2: they're afraid to adapt. And that's why I really respect

2586
02:00:12,320 --> 02:00:15,480
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick. Here's a guy coming in from the NFL,

2587
02:00:15,800 --> 02:00:18,280
Speaker 2: never coach college, right, and he's gonna have to deal

2588
02:00:18,320 --> 02:00:19,760
Speaker 2: with the nil, all right, So.

2589
02:00:19,720 --> 02:00:20,800
Speaker 3: I play the coaches, all right.

2590
02:00:21,040 --> 02:00:23,520
Speaker 2: Countdown his next buck. You have a great week. We'll

2591
02:00:23,520 --> 02:00:24,400
Speaker 2: see you next Sunday.

2592
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Speaker 3: Right here, a Fox