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Speaker 1: One week. Seriously, what a fun week.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I just have a question for all

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Speaker 2: of you out there that wanted a trade deadline in

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Speaker 2: the off season and or a signing deadline in the

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Speaker 2: off season. There's no Cody Bellinger signing, there's no Freddy

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Speaker 2: Peralta trade, there's no Luise Robert trade.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, what's the line from Gladiator?

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Speaker 2: Are you not entertained? I mean, the people that wanted

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Speaker 2: those deadlines, guess what, you wouldn't have the players you

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Speaker 2: have now because you know what they be doing.

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Speaker 3: We don't know.

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Speaker 2: They'd be sitting at home. Cody Bellinger'd be like, well

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Speaker 2: I have to take less money, and Freddy Prosto's wouldn't

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Speaker 2: know until then. You have to wait till opening day

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Speaker 2: to be traded.

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Speaker 4: People would say, well, all these signings and trades would

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Speaker 4: have been done already. They wouldn't on December twentieth or whatever. Well,

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Speaker 4: instead we get to have fun. And the fun continues

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Speaker 4: this weekend with VIPs across New York City bundled up

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Speaker 4: inside the Hill In in New York City.

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Speaker 1: For the BBDA WAA Awards Gala.

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Speaker 4: Aj Prizinski on the stage presenting to that Guy, Drake Baldwin,

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Speaker 4: the Rookie of the Year, Nick Kurtz will be there.

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Speaker 4: Aaron Judge will be there, Shoe Hey Otani will be there,

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Speaker 4: Paul Skens will be there, Trek Scougle will be there.

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Speaker 4: I heard some other special guests that maybe I shouldn't say.

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Speaker 4: It will be there, So we're looking forward to it,

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Speaker 4: and our high video is cool. Props to Oliviyan, the

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Speaker 4: team behind the scenes, Michael, the whole fam working hard

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Speaker 4: right now.

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Speaker 1: I like that graphic a lot too.

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Speaker 4: It's the one hundred first edition and all three of

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Speaker 4: us will be there the only time of year where

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Speaker 4: we would be in suits and or tuxes. So we

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Speaker 4: look forward to that and to seeing our buddy Ken Rosenthal.

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Speaker 4: But for now, I want to make sure we have

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Speaker 4: time for this, so let's get to the big Boy trade.

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Speaker 3: Art.

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Speaker 2: Here we go.

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Speaker 4: Freddy Peralta is a New York met David Stern said,

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Speaker 4: hold it and go, Bobaschett, Luis Robert Freddie Peralta, in

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Speaker 4: addition to what they did earlier this offseason, how do

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Speaker 4: you like them?

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Speaker 2: Now? We'll see, Well, we have to see.

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Speaker 3: Listen.

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Speaker 2: I love the movies well because Okay. They lost Nimoh,

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Speaker 2: they lost mc neil, sime and they brought in He's

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Speaker 2: coming off a couple down years in a row. Bobachett

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Speaker 2: not known for his defense. Wasn't it all about run prevention?

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Speaker 2: Boba Sheet's not known for his defense.

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Speaker 4: He should be better at third and second than he

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Speaker 4: is at shortstop. They have four short stops on the infield.

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying they're listen.

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Speaker 2: I think I love all these movies. First of all,

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Speaker 2: love these movies. I love Bobachhett move because I think

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Speaker 2: he'll help their lineup. Luise Robert. They get one year,

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Speaker 2: no risk. I mean, twenty million dollars is into the Mets.

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Speaker 2: but not the Mets. Okay, and they get a motivated

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Speaker 2: Luise Robert Jr. Because it's his free agent year.

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Speaker 1: No that part, I'm gonna stop you.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Sorry, he has a club.

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Speaker 1: People got so pissed on he said that yesterday. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: it's improved, it's approve it right. They could keep him

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Speaker 2: It's not up to him.

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Speaker 1: People were like human, I'm like relax, we already went over.

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Speaker 2: The option whatever. Anyways, So he has a club option,

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Speaker 2: They're not going to pick it up. He's out the door. Now,

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Speaker 2: still hits free agency like thirty years twenty nine, I think,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got to start proving it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So he needs to prove it for this year again.

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Speaker 4: Oh Man also crats the Cubs just one big on

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Speaker 1: See you out of the division.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, seventeen wins just left the division. Tina won ninety

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Speaker 3: seven games. You lose the guy who wins seventeen of them. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: step last year this past season, you know, really kind

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Speaker 3: the Mets are getting a fully refined pitcher who has

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Speaker 4: Freddy praulta won, Nolan mcclaimed two and then a mix

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Speaker 1: Short, short, short, You want one more?

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Speaker 2: You forget Jonah Tang, Oh.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Jonahtan Right. I mean I don't think he'll start

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Speaker 1: Forget Tobias not a high end starter in the future.

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Speaker 2: They give up Jet Williams and Brandon sprote. Does it

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Speaker 2: I mean, let's I would think unless something crazy happens.

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Speaker 4: The Mets didn't have to give up their tippy top though.

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Speaker 4: I mean, McLean's already a big leaguer. But Joonah Toong

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Speaker 4: I like this return for the Brewers better than their

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Speaker 4: I think that the upside is higher for these two players.

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Speaker 4: So it's a nice return. But hey, we were talking

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Speaker 1: Anybody could have.

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Speaker 2: You said, it doesn't get it done. Will Warren and

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Speaker 4: Oh no, I said that was too much. And guess

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Speaker 4: what I think the Yankees did too. That package is

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Speaker 4: Spencer Jones has higher upside than Jet Williams, and Will

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Speaker 4: It's like, oh, it's no fair. First of all, the Mets,

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Speaker 1: Peralta in their payroll.

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Speaker 4: They just choose to trade guys away when they're a

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Speaker 4: Freddy Peralta or several years ago. Ah, they're a starter short.

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Speaker 4: They need a one, oh Corbyn Burns. But that's the

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Speaker 2: You know what?

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Speaker 1: In my mind, Kratz, I don't know if it's worth it.

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Speaker 1: Was it worth it for them?

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Speaker 4: Does Corbin Burns change their season versus what Dale Hall

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Speaker 3: I mean, they stayed in the playoffs, so I get

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Speaker 3: before twenty eighteen. They asked me, would you trade At

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Speaker 3: the time, Corbyn Burns and Big Wu Brandon Woodriff were

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Speaker 3: Jacob deGrom? And I like, did the math in my head? Okay,

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Speaker 3: these guys would play whatever, throw this many innings. De

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Speaker 3: Grom would throw this many innings. At that point, everyone's like,

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Speaker 3: he's a cy young candidate. I'll tell you what. I

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Speaker 3: would love to have a ring in my closet from

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Speaker 3: the Brewers twenty eighteen team. And I think Jacob de

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Speaker 3: Freddy Peralta. If they don't, maybe that's why they trade

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Speaker 1: They had a chance, they had a chance.

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Speaker 2: Right, but how many times does that really happen?

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Speaker 4: And wait, this honestly happened, but you just actually teed

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Speaker 2: How many World Series are the Brewers won?

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Speaker 5: All the prospects they traded away. Don't you think that

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if the Brewers win a World Series, you can

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Speaker 2: I can't believe we made that move. Well, the reason

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Speaker 1: Or all this Chapman for labor Torres all day.

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Speaker 2: And the Yankees never won with because of that trade.

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Speaker 1: Right, they didn't win a World Series with him?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the modern movie now.

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Speaker 4: No, the modern move they bring up is peek Row

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Speaker 1: But also, sometimes you just make a bad deal. What happens,

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Speaker 1: It's life. Hey, they talked about this on Mets Dog.

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Speaker 2: Come on, but the Mets thought they were gonna win

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Speaker 1: That's why, Right, you're going for it.

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Speaker 4: You gotta believe, That's what they say on this show

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Speaker 4: late last night about the freddie P trade. We're going

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Speaker 1: Let's go to the Brewer side of the equation.

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Speaker 4: Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Beat reporter Kurt ho back on FT Kurt,

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Speaker 4: let's keep the combo rolling here. What is the aftermath

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Speaker 6: Yet again, it's interesting, I like how you start that

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Speaker 2: Last couple of trades.

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Speaker 6: I think there is some disdain that the Brewers haven't,

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Speaker 2: Haven't gone and made a big move.

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Speaker 6: But ultimately, right, I think we're at a part of

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Speaker 6: Like I think of the reaction when they traded Corbin

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Speaker 6: It's it's almost like people have just become accustomed to, Hey,

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Speaker 2: Oh and by the way, next year, William.

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Speaker 6: Conturis, you got a year left on your contract. Guess what, buddy,

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, would those fans that trust the process,

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Speaker 3: By the way, I live in Philadelphia, so that never

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Speaker 6: Yes, of course, no doubt. You trade twenty playoff appearances

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. But but the thing is, then, so

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 6: I think if you're looking at it from the Brewers

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Speaker 6: Now, you can argue all you want about whether having

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Speaker 6: I guess the Royals, Yeah, toils and fifteen.

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Speaker 3: Talks, not the White.

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Speaker 4: Martirs, like sixty million small market bro the market.

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Speaker 6: Yes, I mean that tiny town of Chicago, seven miles

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Speaker 3: That's where all the sewer That's where all the sewer

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Speaker 2: Know, Wow, shots fired? Okay anyways, Yeah, I mean the Brewers.

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Speaker 6: The Brewers, the Brewer, the Brewis and their fans absolutely

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Speaker 6: They haven't gotten the World Series since nineteen eighty two.

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Speaker 3: Appearances to show for it.

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Speaker 6: So that is that is the disconnect that the Brewers

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Speaker 2: Okay, Kurt, Well, then how much can they take? You

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Speaker 2: The Brewers keep doing this. How much can they take?

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: And this is and I mean, I think the one

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Speaker 3: thing that people need to understand is Freddy signed a

438
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Speaker 3: deal early, so they did a good job of signing

439
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Speaker 3: him early. They signed Yelly early. Back before Yelly it

440
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Speaker 3: was bronze. So they have their they have their vision

441
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Speaker 3: out there of who they would sign. Does that we

442
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Speaker 3: need to change and say, Okay, we're not going to

443
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Speaker 3: do that. We're going to push our chips in one direction.

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Speaker 3: That would be that like we said that one year,

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Speaker 3: which we keep, which I keep going back to, I.

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Speaker 6: Would say they need to keep doing that, and then

447
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Speaker 6: add on in other areas like signing Jackson Curio before

448
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Speaker 6: he makes.

449
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Speaker 2: His big league debut.

450
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Speaker 6: Is how you get Jackson Curio's prime, So go extend

451
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Speaker 6: Bryce terrang go extend South frielick someone along those lines,

452
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Speaker 6: and then find a move where you actually are giving

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Speaker 6: up some assets they have. I mean, you could argue

454
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Speaker 6: they have the best farm system in baseball. A team

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Speaker 6: that's coming off ninety seven win season last year might

456
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Speaker 6: have the best farm in baseball. That's great, and that's

457
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Speaker 6: central to how they build going forward. But they haven't

458
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Speaker 6: dealt really from their prospect capital since Oh boy, maybe

459
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Speaker 6: the I mean the Yelich deal is really the last

460
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Speaker 6: big tray that they've made that that comes to mind.

461
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Speaker 6: So I don't know, if there haven't been opportunities, you

462
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Speaker 6: would think there would have been opportunities in some capacity

463
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Speaker 6: to I don't know, go out and pay twenty million

464
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Speaker 6: to get Luis Robert or something along those lines. Because

465
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Speaker 6: they're not going to go They're not gonna get Boba Shat.

466
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Speaker 6: They're gonna get Ree Hoskins when Ree Hoskins' market is low.

467
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Speaker 6: It's that sort of you know, value, we're taking advantage

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Speaker 6: of the market deal. That's where they're going to work

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Speaker 6: in free agency.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, you're just banking.

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Speaker 6: A lot on your internal evaluations and your internal player development.

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Speaker 6: And look, they're great at both of those things. But

473
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Speaker 6: again it's this question of, Okay, what's the cap to

474
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Speaker 6: that when you've got an entire rotation of twenty four

475
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Speaker 6: to twenty five year old guys.

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Speaker 2: Kurt, what's the ultimate goal of a team in their sport?

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Speaker 2: What's the ultimate goal?

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Speaker 6: You tell me aj you played.

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Speaker 2: Baseball. Isn't it to win the World Series? To win

480
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Speaker 2: the whole thing? Okay? So but then you said, well,

481
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Speaker 2: they keep, you know, being good enough to get in,

482
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Speaker 2: and they hadn't won a playoff series in forever, and listen,

483
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Speaker 2: the fans were clamoring this year for the Brewers, like

484
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Speaker 2: we got them. And when you talk to Murf, you

485
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Speaker 2: talk to Murph all the time. When we get in, Man,

486
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Speaker 2: we gotta win. We gotta win because we don't know

487
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Speaker 2: how many more chances we're gonna have it this So

488
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Speaker 2: is it good enough that they just keep getting in?

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Speaker 2: Is it good enough? Is that what the goal is?

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Speaker 2: Because we just had this conversation before you came in

491
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Speaker 2: the air, The ultimate goal is to win the World Series,

492
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Speaker 2: not to get like great, you got to the postseason.

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Speaker 2: Cool Twins got to the postseason every year, like in

494
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Speaker 2: the two thousand and tens or two thousand and two

495
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Speaker 2: tens and never won a playoff series? Right, So is

496
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Speaker 2: it good enough that the Brewers keep making the playoffs

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Speaker 2: but they never get the ultimate prize?

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Speaker 6: I mean, I don't think it's exactly like a black

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Speaker 6: and white. Is it good and it's it's no, it's

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Speaker 6: not good enough to make the playoffs every year and

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Speaker 6: fall short of the ultimate goal. If you're talking about

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Speaker 6: in terms of the ultimate goal, there's a lot else

503
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Speaker 6: that goes into the process and into the daily grind

504
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Speaker 6: of baseball, in my opinion, and having a competitive team

505
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Speaker 6: each year certainly is somewhere between like zero and the

506
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Speaker 6: absolute complete goal. And it's also worth mentioning too. Right,

507
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Speaker 6: the Brewers might be better in two next I mean

508
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Speaker 6: they will be better next year because they've made this deal.

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Speaker 6: We can't say for sure how many wins they've subtracted

510
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Speaker 6: from their twenty twenty six team because they don't have

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Speaker 6: Freddie Parolta. I mean last year this you know, look

512
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Speaker 6: at Kayleb dirt No one had any idea what Kayleb

513
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Speaker 6: Dirtin was gonna do last year and he ended up

514
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Speaker 6: finishing what third, I think it was third and rookie

515
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Speaker 6: of the year voting, so weird things can happen, and

516
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Speaker 6: the Brewers did get two guys that they think will

517
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Speaker 6: contribute at the big league level and ultimately, like the

518
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Speaker 6: their future wins do matter too, even if it's not

519
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Speaker 6: as rewarding or satisfying as you know, having that frontline

520
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Speaker 6: ace that you can turn to thirty two times a year.

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Speaker 3: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think twenty twenty

522
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Speaker 3: four's picture of the year for the Brewers was Tobias

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Speaker 3: Bias Myers.

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Speaker 6: You traded your last two pictures of the year.

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Speaker 3: So the Mets on the Mets side of this, what

526
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Speaker 3: are they getting in Tobias Myers from what you saw

527
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Speaker 3: last year? Was there some It felt like the things

528
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Speaker 3: I was reading is maybe there were some just butting

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Speaker 3: of heads with then not the same production on the

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Speaker 3: field by Tobias Myers.

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Speaker 6: I wouldn't say it was butting of heads. I would

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Speaker 6: just say the circumstances didn't ever allow for him to

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Speaker 6: thrive the way he did in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: Four as a rookie.

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Speaker 6: Right, he got hurt early in the year, some struggles

536
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Speaker 6: with command earlier in the year as well when he

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Speaker 6: came back, and we have I'm a here, I'm a

538
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Speaker 6: here once to talk about Tobias Meyers, hi friend. So

539
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Speaker 6: it ultimately just didn't work out for him. He but

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Speaker 6: what's interesting though, is his profile now is different than

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Speaker 6: it was when he had that three E r A

542
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Speaker 6: as a rookie. But the splitters a really good addition

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Speaker 6: to his mix, and the Mets have had on the

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Speaker 6: second and the Mets have had good success with some

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Speaker 6: of those North South guys, So that that's a that's

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Speaker 6: a that's a good throw in if he's a throw

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Speaker 6: into the deal.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Kurt, are the are the Brewers better now this year?

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Speaker 2: Do you think with the addition of Sprote and Jet Williams?

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Speaker 2: Do you think? I don't think sure. I mean year

551
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Speaker 2: miles an hour obviously at the University of Florida, so

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Speaker 2: he's going to be a stud. Jet Williams is one

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Speaker 2: of the top prospects in the Mets organization. Where do

554
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Speaker 2: they fit on this roster?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I mean I don't think they're better this year, but

557
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Speaker 6: there is a world in which those guys equal. You

558
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Speaker 6: know what you would have gotten from Freddie? I think

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Speaker 6: sprot one second, my friend, Uh, hang up on us,

560
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 6: let me talk about Brandon sprout and then okay, and

561
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Speaker 6: then yes, all right, Brandon Sprot's got good stuff. I

562
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Speaker 6: got literal other stuff to deal with.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna.

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Speaker 3: Catch you guys later.

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Speaker 4: Thanks, Thanks, Kurt, appreciate you man. Thanks for the time. Uh,

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Speaker 4: Kurt Hogue with us. Hey, you want to know more

567
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Speaker 4: about Brandon's bru three year old doesn't? Kurt actually said

568
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Speaker 4: I'll come on today, but warning, I've got daddy duty.

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Speaker 4: So when time calls and she shall does not understand ft, Yes.

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Speaker 1: Hey, she didn't hang out my niece. My niece at

571
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Speaker 1: that age knew what to do.

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Speaker 4: Red button, always, red button, find it, hit it next,

573
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Speaker 4: then you get rid of that person on the screen.

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Speaker 4: So anyway, uh, we could talk Sproke for a moment.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he was one of the three called up

576
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 4: by the Mets last year to try and rescue their season, right,

577
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 4: he was the third one. Nolan McLean is definitely the

578
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Speaker 4: best prospect of those three. Jonah Toong has high upside

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Speaker 4: to be a legit playoff starter. Brandon Sprot was more

580
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Speaker 4: of the question mark. It's a little older too, I

581
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Speaker 4: think than the other two, so I think there's a

582
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Speaker 4: little more variance between But for him to.

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Speaker 2: Say that Sprot and Jet Williams can make up for

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Speaker 2: Freddy Parolton, I'm like, come on.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, you miss Can I back him up?

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Speaker 1: He said? Next year?

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Speaker 2: Oh well, neck, what about this year?

588
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 3: This year?

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Speaker 4: No, of course, they're going to be worse without a

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Speaker 4: number one. I mean you would imagine unless Freddy doesn't

591
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 4: pitch or falls apart like the return, there is only

592
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 4: doing so much this year, and maybe Sprot becomes good.

593
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Speaker 4: Someone joked in our chat that I was in for

594
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 4: fair territory. How you know the Brewers are able to

595
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 4: find random dudes and turn him into something that's true.

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00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 4: They've done a nice job on their pitching development, and

597
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 4: Brandon Sprot's not a random dude. But are they going

598
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Speaker 4: to turn him from a project acted four or five

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00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 4: into a one or two?

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Speaker 1: I don't know about that.

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Speaker 3: No, I mean I think what he said was very accurate.

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Speaker 3: Nobody thinks about twenty twenty seven season. When you just

603
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Speaker 3: lost your best pitcher, the ace of your staff, you go.

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Speaker 3: But what he said was they're better. They're better in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty seven than they would have been if they

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Speaker 3: had kept Freddy Peralta, which is really how front offices think. Okay,

607
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Speaker 3: I was a fan, I'm like, well, what about this year,

608
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Speaker 3: why don't we just keep Freddy for eight million?

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Speaker 1: I agree. I couldn't agree more. I think I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I obviously don't look at it long term because

611
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 2: as a fan and as a person that likes baseball,

612
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 2: you're like, what about twenty twenty six, We're about to

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Speaker 2: go into twenty twenty six spring train? What do I

614
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Speaker 2: care about twenty twenty seven, twenty twenty eight. Now I

615
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 2: know for an officers have to look at it like that,

616
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Speaker 2: and also front offices. That's how they keep their job

617
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 2: because they say, well, we'll be great in twenty twenty

618
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Speaker 2: eight when Hey, sus Made and Jackson Curio and Wilson

619
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Speaker 2: and Travis is on another team and Brandon Spruge is

620
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 2: our ace and Mizowski figures out figures it out completely.

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Speaker 4: I just wanted to point out this is funny with

622
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Speaker 4: the Brewers roster. If you go to their like say

623
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Speaker 4: MLB roster page, and the heights are all listed there,

624
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 4: they're all super thinking. I don't think I've ever seen

625
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 4: more fives ever. Oh well in the last twenty years, right,

626
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 4: I mean they make faller than they used to. But dude,

627
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Speaker 4: that most of the rosters in the fives listed and

628
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Speaker 4: you know how listed what listed means in baseball? Right, Like,

629
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Speaker 4: isn't all two Vey listed like five six or seven?

630
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Speaker 4: He's five to four. So Jet Williams is listed five

631
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Speaker 4: to seven right now. And that was the big position

632
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Speaker 4: player acquisition. It's just funny. It doesn't mean that they're worse.

633
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Speaker 4: It's just they have a type, right, The Brewers have

634
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Speaker 4: a type so freely.

635
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Speaker 3: And that's what they find value.

636
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 2: That's what Yeah, that is where.

637
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: They find value.

638
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 4: Caleb Durban listed five to seven was a nice contributor

639
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 4: to them last year.

640
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: From that. Devin Williams strade the year before I.

641
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 3: Got I got hit up on Twitter a little bit

642
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 3: because I said, you know, Freddie p If the Brewers

643
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 3: keep Freddy p oh, yeah, now they're World Series favorites

644
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 3: over the Dodgers. Here's the thing about Freddie Pea's contract

645
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 3: at eight million dollars. And I know this wasn't gonna happen,

646
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 3: but I'm telling you about we're talking about like pushing

647
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 3: all in. What does that look like? It doesn't look

648
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 3: like going to get boba shet. What it looks like

649
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 3: is saying heyesus moday and I forget who they said

650
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 3: their second their second best picket or their second best

651
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 3: prospect is for Ark Scuble. What does that do I'm

652
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 3: not saying it's gonna happen, but what does that do?

653
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Speaker 5: That?

654
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 3: To me, that looks like all in, all in for

655
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 3: a guy who is eighteen years old in moday and

656
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 3: then the next the next level guy. To me, that

657
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 3: pushes the Brewers to that next level because you kept

658
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 3: Freddy because he was only eight million dollars. You weren't

659
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 3: stretched on your payroll one year of one year of Schooble.

660
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 3: If they don't, you know, if Major League Baseball doesn't

661
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,479
Speaker 3: step in and just allows a team to pay Scooble

662
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 3: twenty seven million dollars a year, one year deal, I'm like,

663
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 3: it's not an extreme amount, but it is going all in.

664
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 4: And also save it that they can't do a single

665
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 4: thing every offseason.

666
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: Come on, the Brewers. They make the playoffs every year

667
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 2: and they get a huge boost, and they sell that

668
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 2: place out every every game, I mean not every They

669
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 2: run a great operation, run a great unbelievable they're choosing.

670
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: Not to participate, save it that they because they do

671
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: it again.

672
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 2: But this goes back to the whole thing that we

673
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 2: always talk about. Listen, we love the I love the Brewers,

674
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 2: I love Murph, I love Matt Arnold, I love Freddy.

675
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,959
Speaker 2: While he was there, I mean, Big Wu is awesome.

676
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 2: Position players on Tenasio is a nice he does. But

677
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 2: now it's almost like you become to a point where

678
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 2: you try to be almost too cute and eventually catches

679
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 2: up to everybody, like no team could sustain without unless

680
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 2: you're the Dodgers and you can just spend spence spend.

681
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 2: The Yankees forever spend spence spence spen spent. But eventually

682
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 2: it catches up to you a little bit. Especially the

683
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 2: Rays have really good runs three four years and then

684
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 2: they kind of fall off, and then they have to

685
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 2: build back up and they do their runs again. Right

686
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 2: they're kind of on a lower one right now because

687
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 2: one wander Franco Is who knows where he is right now,

688
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 2: right right, And that was their big guy they signed,

689
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 2: and they were hoping he would be their franchise guy

690
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 2: for a long time. So eventually this catches up to you.

691
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 2: Just for the Brewers, they've been really good at it,

692
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 2: not catching up to him because they've been able to

693
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 2: develop really good pitchers, and they've traded for some position

694
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 2: players that have helped. They've developed some guys. But eventually

695
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 2: your luck runs out.

696
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: They claim they have to do this. You could have

697
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: had Freddy Petrini.

698
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 2: Why do you have to? Okay, if your payroll is

699
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 2: it whatever it was two years ago? I know they

700
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 2: went down like thirty million to twenty five and they

701
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 2: did it again. Was either in that moves to Mark

702
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 2: Antonasi the owner, Hey we can cut another twenty million

703
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 2: in win ninety four games and games and base I

704
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 2: know That's what I'm saying. So is it? Is it

705
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 2: fools gold? Though? Is it fools good?

706
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 4: My thing is at some point look and say, you

707
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 4: know what, we won the most games in baseball last year?

708
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: Are the Dodgers or drugger ornut? Yeah? Did they kick

709
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: our asses? Yeah?

710
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 4: But is there a chance that something happens to the

711
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 4: Dodgers and they're missing a bunch of their pitchers and

712
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 4: then we have a lane this.

713
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: Year four missing every starter and they still won.

714
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: Yeah?

715
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 2: Oh, just checking. But again, I'm not saying this is

716
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 2: right or wrong. I'm just asking y'all because I don't know.

717
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: I just don't. I don't think it's the constant treading water.

718
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 4: I just think there's some times where you go, you

719
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 4: know what, we only have one year left of this superstar.

720
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: Let's have a time. That's what I would have done.

721
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,240
Speaker 3: I don't think it's I don't think it's fools gold.

722
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 3: I think it's gold, but the ultimate prize is diamonds.

723
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 3: I think there's a I think there's a place to

724
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 3: say we are constantly making the play, and then to

725
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 3: say who is our next during this run from eighteen

726
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 3: till now? Who is our next? Freddie p who is

727
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 3: our next? Brandon Woodruff, who is our next? Corbyn Burns

728
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 3: because they've done an incredible job of putting guys around them,

729
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 3: jose Kintana, Jolie's Chassine, Chase Anderson like they've just been

730
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 3: putting guys all around them for that time. Colin Ray,

731
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 3: Adrian Hauser. That's when it runs out. It runs out

732
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 3: when you don't have that guy anymore. If Big Wu

733
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 3: comes back this year and is the guy that they

734
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 3: think he's gonna be, well now he's a free agent.

735
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 3: Now you don't get a qualifying offer from him. Now

736
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 3: you get like there's there's just a lot, there's a

737
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 3: lot of questions to ask and in my opinion, if

738
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 3: they don't see that guy, if if uh Misowski is

739
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 3: not that guy, then you have like this would have

740
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 3: been the year to say, yeah, we got to go

741
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 3: all in. We've got to go all in, and it's

742
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 3: going to cost us a future prospect or two. But

743
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 3: this is the guy that's gonna help put us over

744
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,760
Speaker 3: with freddie Pee still on the staff, and we didn't

745
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 3: increase our payroll that much.

746
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 4: A couple of comments I want to mix in to

747
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 4: wrap up the Brewers side of the conversation here and

748
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 4: we'll talk Mets again later. Do me in the chats

749
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 4: that Brewers haven't gotten any TV revenue since twenty twenty two.

750
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 4: I believe that's not true at all, less TV revenue

751
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 4: local they all split the national deals.

752
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,879
Speaker 1: Next one Ranger fan.

753
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 4: I think the way the Brewers operate is how they

754
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 4: feel they can sustain the run. If they want all in,

755
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 4: they do what Aj' saying, they'd have more up and

756
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 4: down year to year. Yeah, you would, and you would

757
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 4: have a better chance in the postseason of going further. Fact,

758
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 4: better chance they like their chances of making the playoffs

759
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 4: every year versus having a better chance in the postseason.

760
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 4: That's just their and then am cook in the chat.

761
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,760
Speaker 4: The Brewers don't have to try. Reds and Pirates terrible owners,

762
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 4: Cardinals can't figure it out. Cubs for some reason don't

763
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,240
Speaker 4: want to just bully the division with money. Okay, that's

764
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 4: a factor. I wouldn't call that the whole thing. I

765
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 4: think they they wanted to. Here's my question for all us,

766
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 4: for all Brewer fans out there, Yeah, two thousand and eight,

767
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 4: who did the Brewers go get to make a.

768
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 1: Run CC Sabathia.

769
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 2: Who did they give up in that trade?

770
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 3: Michaels, Matt Laporter.

771
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 2: Mal Laporta, I love, I know him very well.

772
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: Matcamill was he in there?

773
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 2: No? Zach Johnson, jack Zach Jackson, allow it? Rob Bryson,

774
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 2: Matt Laporta, and Michael Brantley. One guy was good, okay,

775
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 2: Michael Brandley was Is Michael Brandley gonna do more for

776
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 2: the Brewers than what CC Sabathia did in two thousand

777
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 2: and eight when they hadn't made the playoffs in like

778
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 2: twenty five years.

779
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 4: They still everyone still, even non Brewer fans still talk

780
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 4: about that two thousand and eight run.

781
00:37:58,920 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: Priceless.

782
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 3: One guy, one guy of all four of them had

783
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 3: a career. We were like, I kind of wish we

784
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 3: had him.

785
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but CC for that one year where everything lined

786
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 2: up and it was unbelievable, and it kind of brought

787
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 2: Brewers fans back to loving the Brewers.

788
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, for CC Sabathia, no doubt, it's the same. It's

789
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 4: the same thing we talked about at the top of

790
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 4: the show. I'm actually surprised that this is all the

791
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 4: Brewers got. It's a nice return, but I'm surprised that

792
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 4: other teams weren't in at this rate for prospects, and

793
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 4: maybe they just loved these guys. Billy Eppler's a special advisor.

794
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 4: He drafted Jet Williams and Brandon's brought. Again, this is

795
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 4: not a slight on them. We just talked about some

796
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 4: other teams and I'm wondering what their package offer was.

797
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 2: I don't know every every team in baseball could afford

798
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 2: to get Freddy pearlt it go for every team. Take

799
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 2: a team, your favorite team, the Tigers. You mentioned Trek Scoogle.

800
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 2: This is probably your last year. Trek schoogl so in

801
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 2: freaking I don't know. You don't don't throw in McGonagall,

802
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 2: don't throw in Max Skrk. But whoever under after that,

803
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 2: you take three of them and you can have them.

804
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: Where were the Tigers on someone like that?

805
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 2: I mean, they always say they need someone at Google

806
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 2: here he was for eight million.

807
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: On top of everything else.

808
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 4: Knowing Freddy pretty well used to have him on all

809
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 4: the time we have sometimes we see him.

810
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 1: He is one of the happiest humans.

811
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 4: It's like you can think you're having a crappy day

812
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 4: and then you show up and you're like, Freddy's loving life.

813
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 4: All right, let's have a day at the ballpark. So

814
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,240
Speaker 4: he's got it all. Good job by the Mets.

815
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 2: And the best thing that came out of this everything

816
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 2: we've read is Brandon woodrif has had a healthy offseason

817
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 2: after what he went through coming back and being heard

818
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 2: at the end of the year last year. M hm,

819
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 2: that's good news. Hopefully it's true and he gets to

820
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 2: spring training he has a great full year. But it's

821
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 2: great to see that. Also included in all of this

822
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 2: that everyone's saying Matt aren't on. Everyone's saying brainon Woodri

823
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 2: off his back, so hopefully he is.

824
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: Now great dude. Pressure now they're gonna need.

825
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 2: It's really hard to find. And a Brewer guy that's

826
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 2: not a good guy.

827
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 3: I can think him one.

828
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: I can think of one day. Well, OK, that's it, Hotginger.

829
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 2: You guys have a higher standard than I do.

830
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 1: There we go.

831
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 4: Fresh signing alert watch out for the Minnesota Twins. They

832
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 4: sign up former All Star closer Taylor Rogers on a

833
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 4: one year contract worth two million dollars. Aaron Gleaman reporting

834
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 4: it along with Ken Rosenthal. Gleaman wrote logical fit for

835
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 4: both sides. The thirty five year old Rogers returns home

836
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 4: to the team that drafted him, and the Twins had

837
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 4: much needed bullpen help. There were jokes all over social

838
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 4: media over the past couple months saying that the two

839
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 4: best relievers for the Twins worked for the team but

840
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 4: weren't on the roster LaTroy Hawkins and Ryan Presley and

841
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 4: Glenn Perkins.

842
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: Perkin bring them all back, Hey, no offense.

843
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 2: This is the Twins going for Remember they said they

844
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:03,760
Speaker 2: were going for it this year.

845
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: Taylor Rodgers and Victor Taratini.

846
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 2: They're going for Yeah, I don't know.

847
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 1: I like Taylor Rodgers.

848
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 2: That's nice guy. Yeah, Kerotin. He's had great success everywhere

849
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 2: he's been. He's been a really good dude, play as well,

850
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 2: switch hitter. Yep, But I don't know if this is

851
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 2: really going for it.

852
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 3: Maybe no. I mean, it's nothing against Taylor Rodgers. It's ironic.

853
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 3: He made his debut way before his brother, and his

854
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 3: brother gets the bigger free agent contract. But he'll play,

855
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 3: you know, he'll play his tenth season if he you know,

856
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 3: if he's there for a month, he'll get his ten

857
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 3: years of service. Taylor Rodgers is kind of to me.

858
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 3: Last year he kind of had a little bit of resurgence.

859
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 3: Before that, it wasn't quite you know, he wasn't able

860
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 3: to give himself that he wasn't able to regain his

861
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 3: form from earlier in his career. But last season kind

862
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 3: of had a little bounce back. So it's good he

863
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 3: got a big league deal.

864
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 2: Josh Bell and Eric Wagerman too, don't forgets.

865
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: Oh right, sorry, my bad, I don't. I don't have

866
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 1: the patience to go over there these years.

867
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go back to twins Fest.

868
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 3: They ask me every.

869
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 1: Year, they do, wait, why are you going?

870
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 2: I got to be in New York this weekend.

871
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: Oh, it's this weekend.

872
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 2: Yes, the last two years it's been this weekend. We've

873
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 2: been obviously the BBWAA. Okay, so I'll gladly say no

874
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 2: and go to that.

875
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 4: If you guys want me to know we Drake Baldwin

876
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 4: would be pissed. I'm just waiting for your speech. But

877
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 4: do you know how much Tyler Rogers got in free agency?

878
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 4: Do you remember that?

879
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 2: More than two million?

880
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 4: I know that three years thirty seven million, no deferrals

881
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 4: and a vesting option that can make it make it

882
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 4: four years forty eight million dollars, So that upshooter. One

883
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:48,919
Speaker 4: brother is paying for the other.

884
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 2: But didn't Taylor make more than Tyler before that?

885
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: It wasn't there Maybe maybe? Yeah?

886
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 2: He was the closer lefty and a lot more right.

887
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 1: The Turns had sad.

888
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 3: Nobody like nobody liked him. You talk, you talk about

889
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 3: how much you know people can't get away from the

890
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 3: analytics and everything. I was in San Francisco, like I

891
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 3: got traded there two days before the season started. When

892
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 3: Tyler was squandering in the minor leagues. They were just

893
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 3: like boats was like, I love this guy out the

894
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 3: organization I don't know. They're just not not all about him.

895
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 3: All he ever does is go down to Triple A

896
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 3: and get tons of outs. Everybody on the team's like,

897
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 3: this guy should be in the big leagues. He's impossible

898
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 3: to hit. He comes to spring training, he's impossible hit.

899
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 3: You facem triple A impossible hit. All he's ever done

900
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 3: is put up numbers analytically. Nobody ever gave him a chance.

901
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 3: That season we started out slow. They ended up calling

902
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 3: him up because they needed somebody. Now look at him.

903
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,760
Speaker 3: Three years, thirty seven, possibly forty eight million dollars.

904
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 1: Holy crap.

905
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 4: I forgot that Taylor Rogers had signed a nice, chunky deal.

906
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:56,720
Speaker 3: He was legit.

907
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I know he was legit. I just forgot

908
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 4: that he got paid paid too. So the Rogers brothers

909
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 4: are neck and neck for career earnings. So entering, so

910
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 4: not including the thirty seven or the forty eight, Tyler's

911
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 4: career earnings are ten million dollars. So now he's going

912
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 4: to add third at least thirty seven. So that'll get

913
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,240
Speaker 4: him to what forty seven and it could be fifty whatever,

914
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 4: high fifties. Taylor Rogers before this deal, career earnings do

915
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 4: you guys want.

916
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 2: To guess it's in the forty five.

917
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 4: Fifty three and a half million dollars and then a.

918
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 2: Four year deal with the Padre somewhere a long he's

919
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,720
Speaker 2: signed up. Nice. I thought it was Padres.

920
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 4: Well, he was at the Giants the last few years.

921
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 4: Not Padres, but Twins and Giants. Was it the Giants

922
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 4: that signed him?

923
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.

924
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 4: I think it was the Giants deal that that stirred it.

925
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 4: But in the last four years he's made twelve twelve

926
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 4: nine seven mil. So the Rogers brothers combined are a

927
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 4: one hundred million dollars pitching twin combination.

928
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: Good for them.

929
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 4: It hasn't come easy for them at all times. Those

930
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 4: dudes get the job done. Next up, John Mancata is

931
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:11,760
Speaker 4: back with the Angels one year, four million dollars.

932
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: The Resurrection story team.

933
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 2: Is he signed for like ten or eleven last year?

934
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 2: I think we signed for a little higher. It was

935
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 2: a little.

936
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 3: That was like eight or nine.

937
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 1: Five?

938
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 2: Oh he signed one year?

939
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 3: Five?

940
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: Yeah?

941
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, still getting They love him in Anaheim. They

942
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 2: love those fifty seven games they get from them every year.

943
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 4: Our buddy Jim Bowden last year, I have this written

944
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 4: down reported that was his only MLB offer last year.

945
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: They love him.

946
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 2: Hey, good for them. Yeah, he played eighty four games

947
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 2: last year, so he was he.

948
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 1: Was fine when he was on the field.

949
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 2: But I love that.

950
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 3: Here's the case. Here's the case. When we just started

951
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 3: talking about the Brewers and now we talk about the Angels.

952
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 3: If the Angels sign a Heineo Suarez to whatever, he's

953
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 3: gonna get two years twenty a year, so two years

954
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 3: forty does that put him in the playoffs?

955
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 2: What hope that it makes them a much better team

956
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 2: than what they are now or that they're going to

957
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 2: be now.

958
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 3: So to me, are you making your team better for

959
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 3: the future by signing Joann Mancata? Like did he do

960
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 3: so much? Was he a clubhouse presence? To me, don't

961
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 3: even waste your four million dollars. Just give the opportunity

962
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 3: to somebody else or good, go with somebody that's going

963
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 3: to be an impact. Go with somebody that's going to

964
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 3: impact that young roster, that's going to be that guy

965
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 3: that's like, yes, fit in. We may not win the

966
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 3: World sit, we may not make the playoffs, but everything

967
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 3: I've heard about a Heinio Suarez, oh and Es slug

968
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 3: which is what they were looking for last offseason. He

969
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 3: can play third base, Like I'm just confused at like

970
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 3: the route you're gonna go.

971
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:09,919
Speaker 1: Here.

972
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 4: I'll give you an example, prime example for someone who

973
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 4: wanted to be in that area. Would you rather have

974
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 4: Yon Mancatta for one year four or Nolan Ironado to

975
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 4: work with the youngsters for like two years eleven or twelve,

976
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 4: because that would have been the top destination for him,

977
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 4: right he wanted to be a Dodger, that's not happening

978
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 4: next selection because he wants to be in that area.

979
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 4: Would have been the Angels. I think he would have

980
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 4: gone there. I mean, now he goes to Arizona's happy.

981
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 4: I think we're gonna get him on at some point.

982
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 4: I've been going back and forth with him about it.

983
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 4: But would you not rather have Nolan Arnado than Yon Mancatta?

984
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:42,760
Speaker 2: Yes, I would.

985
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: I don't think it's close.

986
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 2: Just to show the younger kids, the Netto's Christian Moore

987
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 2: Shanowell how to be a big leaguer. I know they've

988
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 2: got some years under their belt, but every time you

989
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 2: look over to your right, there's Nolan Arnado doing his thing,

990
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 2: showing up every day, playing hard. I mean, that's just

991
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 2: a good teaching tool to have around to show people

992
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 2: how to be big leaguers.

993
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:06,760
Speaker 4: I don't think it's close. And also, I mean Nolan

994
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 4: beat him in the war number this past season. I

995
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 4: guess he played more, but it's not like the performance

996
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 4: difference is there. I would rather I think performance wise,

997
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 4: Nolan will give you more.

998
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think they. In twenty thirteen, we picked

999
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 3: up Michael Young on the Phillies and I was like, wow,

1000
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 3: Like I get to watch Michael Young and he was

1001
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 3: a better dude than what even people said. Everyone's like, oh,

1002
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 3: what an amazing guy. Amazing guy. He was even better

1003
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 3: than what people were saying. Was he this Like did

1004
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 3: he like anchor the lineup? No? But to me, you

1005
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:47,240
Speaker 3: bring in a Nolan Aeronado over a Yon Mancata nine

1006
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 3: times out of nine agreed.

1007
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 2: Well said, I do have a question now that the

1008
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 2: Mets have made their moves with Bashitt and Simeon and Polonko,

1009
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 2: what is it for Viento's What does this do for

1010
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 2: Brett Batty?

1011
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: Oh you're going back to that?

1012
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, I know, I was just down. I was

1013
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 2: just thinking about it. I know, we have to get

1014
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 2: the Brent Rooker. I think it was just when we

1015
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 2: were talking about who would you rather have will, they

1016
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 2: brought in You know, they have baby that have Vento's,

1017
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,919
Speaker 2: but they've have Polanco and they have al Boschett, Sime

1018
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 2: and Lindor.

1019
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 1: I have some ideas, but write it down.

1020
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 2: Sorry, you're good.

1021
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,479
Speaker 4: Don't forget it though, because do Cat's coming on later

1022
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 4: to talk about it and Rooker will be here in

1023
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 4: a secon one more. Just real quick, Yachti's back. Special

1024
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 4: Assistant to the President of Baseball opps time Bloom. I mean,

1025
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 4: I don't have a lot to say. It's just obviously,

1026
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 4: I think the Cardinals go, hey, Yachty, will take as

1027
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 4: much of your time as possible to hang out.

1028
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 2: You know who hates us more than anybody?

1029
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: Who mar Why does he hate it? I disagree?

1030
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 2: I love Ali Marmle. He only I think he has

1031
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:51,280
Speaker 2: one word or does he sign extension?

1032
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: No, he's signed an extension.

1033
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 2: I think, okay, that guy, what does he He openly

1034
00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 2: said he wants to be the manager of the Cardinals

1035
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:05,280
Speaker 2: and listen, I love obviously, I love allimrmal He's awesome dude,

1036
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 2: one of the great dudes I've ever been around Orlando.

1037
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 2: Guy went to the same high school, all that stuff.

1038
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 2: But how many times have we seen Craig Stammon, special

1039
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 2: advisor to the general manager, special advisor of the president

1040
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,320
Speaker 2: of baseball ops. Oh hey, man, we're really thinking about

1041
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 2: making a change at manager and guests who And I'm

1042
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 2: not saying a YACHTI does this at all, So don't

1043
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 2: people out there on Twitter don't say this. But I'm

1044
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 2: saying people that get in certain people's ear, Oh man,

1045
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 2: well he's making this mistake. I could do that better.

1046
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 2: I could do this better. I'm not saying this happens,

1047
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 2: but I'm just saying this is something though. And I

1048
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,240
Speaker 2: know Ali Marmal is very confident and very very confident

1049
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 2: in his job, and he deserves to be because he's

1050
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,399
Speaker 2: he actually was really good for the Cardinals last couple

1051
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 2: of years of the team they've run out there. But

1052
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 2: as you know Kratz looking down the road, this is

1053
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 2: the stepping stone to being the next manager of the Cardinals.

1054
00:50:55,960 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 4: I know, I truly believe that Ali has this. I'm

1055
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:01,240
Speaker 4: gonna do my all.

1056
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 2: And no I agree, I don't want it. I'm not

1057
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,320
Speaker 2: saying this is happening, but a lot of times scratch,

1058
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 2: you know, there's people in certain people's ear. And then

1059
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, Brad aust was didn't he do this?

1060
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 2: He went somewhere and he got in the angel's ear

1061
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 2: and he guess what he was then the manager of

1062
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 2: the Angels right that go. I'm just I'm listening. I'm

1063
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 2: not comparing Brad, but you know what I'm saying, like

1064
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 2: this is Craig Stammon. We talked to him the other day. Yeah,

1065
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 2: I was in there. I was in there with the

1066
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:30,720
Speaker 2: front office all the time. And then all of a sudden,

1067
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 2: A j Preler was like, hey, maybe you should interview

1068
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 2: for this job. You know. Again, I'm not saying it's happening,

1069
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 2: but this is just the way.

1070
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 4: My advice to the AUDI is, if he really wants

1071
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,439
Speaker 4: to manage, and I think he'd be great when he's

1072
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 4: in this role now with the Cardinals, he should do

1073
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 4: some media appearances and see if he likes it, because

1074
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 4: you're gonna have to do two or three day Seriously,

1075
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 4: just see if you like it, because if he's pissed

1076
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:54,879
Speaker 4: about it, like that is part of the job.