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Speaker 1: two seventeen. We're bringing you a special episode that commemorates

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Speaker 1: the one year of the genocide in Palestine. I'm recording

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Speaker 1: this episode remotely, which means we're outside of the studio.

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Speaker 1: also sitting with Ahmad, Hamza and Tarnim. They are three

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Speaker 1: Palestinian siblings who crossed the Rafa border and are rebuilding

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Speaker 1: their lives outside of Gaza. Their family remains in Gaza.

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Speaker 1: You will hear them describe their lives before October seventh,

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Speaker 1: their lives during israel siege of Gaza, and how they

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Speaker 1: rebuild their lives. Today's episode does not follow our typical

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Speaker 1: interview format. We are honoring their voices and stories, so

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Speaker 4: My name is Turning Jabber. I'm nineteen years old. I'm

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Speaker 8: I used to be there tintel students in Gaza, but

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Speaker 8: Like we are students, we are just studying. We are

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Speaker 8: So like why why why why? Like why only only

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Speaker 8: Why to be lost?

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Speaker 8: Like why a man like me twenty two years old,

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Speaker 8: I did nothing. I was I was just building my

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Speaker 8: what's happened the seventh of October? Or like what caused me?

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Speaker 1: Thank you to the three of you for providing us

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Speaker 4: Actually before a couple of days I meet, I met

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Speaker 4: like my whole life, it's been just in imagine, like

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Speaker 4: But even this we just like ask the Balstinian the

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Speaker 5: Spending our whole life living in such things was so

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Speaker 4: Imagine like literally we have We were having like a

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Speaker 8: the Alfah border just to live out of outside of Gaza.

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00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 8: The day that our names where they shared our names

442
00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 8: to travel alien are. We were an a chef hospital,

443
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 8: so like like that streets which is like lead us

444
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 8: to go for the cross, like to cross the north

445
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 8: of Gaza, to cross it, like they're like it was

446
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 8: it was like kind of impossible actually just to to

447
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 8: move from there. And because like lots of stories where

448
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 8: like we were hitting that the army just taking people

449
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 8: to jail, like people in the same age of us

450
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 8: just take them to jail, or like they just kill them,

451
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 8: like because because of nothing, they shoot them in the street.

452
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,959
Speaker 8: All of us were just were like because there is

453
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 8: no no there were no way of transportation actually no

454
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 8: cars nothing, just walking. We like we got our bags

455
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 8: were buried them at four four a m. And we

456
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 8: lived home at ten ten am, I think in the

457
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 8: second of April. So we were just we were going

458
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 8: in this street and like you are walking in the

459
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 8: street and you just hear the sounds of the drones around,

460
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 8: which is which include guns and it's it include cameras

461
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 8: which which just video you. Once you are walking and

462
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 8: going and you are afraid, you your brother and your sister,

463
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 8: you are alone in the street. Every everywhere is just bombing.

464
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 8: You are afraid. You have like you don't know what's

465
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,719
Speaker 8: what's what's gonna happen. You're gonna arrive, You're gonna gross

466
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 8: across it, or maybe you're gonna die, maybe you're gonna

467
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 8: be taken to the jail. You have you have no idea.

468
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 8: So once we were like we went we were just

469
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 8: walking for kind of four hours, walking to the blaze

470
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 8: which was in the in the middle of goud just

471
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 8: to cross. So like all of us, three of us

472
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 8: just went on there. They like they were just talking

473
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 8: with us with Mike's I don't know, like it was

474
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 8: the first time just to see the the the the

475
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 8: army in the soldiers, they all of them having guns

476
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:08,239
Speaker 8: staying there and they were just they were shooting just

477
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 8: to make to make us afraid. And they had they

478
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 8: had dogs and they let dogs just run. And people

479
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 8: who have just guns with the with the light or

480
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 8: I mean just they were moving it in our bodies

481
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 8: just to make us afraid. Once we were walking there,

482
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 8: and some of them were just riding their cars and

483
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 8: just follow us, follow us like faster, just to make

484
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 8: us afraid and to us to let us run, even

485
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 8: if we were just walking for four hours and we

486
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 8: just we have no idea, just we carry the back

487
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 8: and we just were run. Like they they they deal

488
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 8: with these as games between them, a challenge. We're gonna

489
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 8: kill them bye bye bye by hitting them in the

490
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 8: streets or not. Our life was again with them, a

491
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 8: challenge between them. Just like actually I can remember before

492
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 8: this situation before moving and like yeah, the flower, we're

493
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 8: coming from from that side. So people people, people were going,

494
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 8: people were going and waiting in this street just to

495
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 8: to talk. Some of them just just to stay alive

496
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 8: because there's nothing on the north of Gaza. So one

497
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 8: day we went to to that blaze actually and it's

498
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 8: was like it was a hell just to go on

499
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 8: there like we like out of nowhere. You were just

500
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 8: sitting in a normal way out of nowhere. Just you

501
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 8: you open the right, you open the left. You found

502
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 8: people just falling down full of a blood. They were

503
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 8: shooting randomly, like like you have a backing ground before

504
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 8: going you have a backing ground. You know how how

505
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 8: how evil they are, how like what they have inside,

506
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 8: what they do. So like once we were going on there,

507
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 8: like we were imagining or were we were afraid just

508
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 8: because all like me and Hams were males and any

509
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 8: female we were afraid just to take us and leave

510
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 8: their name alone, to leave or just anything.

511
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: Thank you Amar for sharing that. That's terrifying and horrific

512
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: that you all had to experience that while you were

513
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: trying to get to the border crossing. So once you

514
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: cross the border, what happened after that?

515
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 8: Yeah? Actually once once we like we crossed the border,

516
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 8: we we walked actually after like for two hours I

517
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 8: think till we got a car. It was a car

518
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 8: for like a journalist car actually and just they did

519
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 8: like they found us walking. It was it was like Ramadan.

520
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 8: We were fasting actually that day like it was like

521
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 8: kind six hours walking and they found us in the street,

522
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 8: just tired. So they decided to let us go with them,

523
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 8: and we went with them and Rafa and we stayed

524
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 8: there in a school actually because there is no like

525
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 8: we had like we don't know anybody there. We have

526
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 8: no we don't have a blaze. And it was late

527
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 8: just to go for the border, just to leave Gaza.

528
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 8: It was late. It was. We arrived there I think

529
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 8: at four we m it was it closed, the border

530
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 8: very closed at two. Yeah. So once we arrived there,

531
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 8: we stayed on a school for a night. Then second

532
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 8: day just we got ourselves ready and we lived in

533
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 8: the morning by the Therapa border.

534
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: So it took about two days for you to get

535
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: to the actual border crossing.

536
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, actually once we went to like we were late.

537
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 8: Actually our names were shared in the first and the

538
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 8: first of April we crossed Gaza and the second of Abril,

539
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 8: like we crossed the border, I mean the the border,

540
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 8: and the second of April we left Gaza at the

541
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 8: third of April, so we were we were lid late two.

542
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: Days okay, and you were still able to cross into Cairo.

543
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 8: Yeah, because like like we were, we were able to

544
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 8: even like it was late actually, like because we were

545
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 8: late two days. So they kept us for like at

546
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 8: the end because we were late. So but at the end.

547
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: We left time in don't go anywhere, locomotives. We'll be

548
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: right back.

549
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 2: We're back with more. We hope you didn't go anywhere.

550
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: So you enter Cairo and then and then what happens?

551
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: Do you do you know anyone? Do you have family?

552
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 8: Once we we have be in the border there, I

553
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 8: mean in the in the border, like we have no

554
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 8: idea where are we going? It's the first time to travel,

555
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 8: to move. We have no idea. Actually, like we were

556
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 8: in the border, we were asking each other where where

557
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 8: are we going? Which like are we going to staying

558
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 8: in a hotel? Are we staying on the street. There

559
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 8: was one of our cousins when in Cairo, she like

560
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 8: she came to as a visit in here, so like

561
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 8: she saw our names and the traveling gliz and just

562
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 8: she called my father. She she told him that they can't

563
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 8: join until they can't find an apartment, just to to rend.

564
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 8: So we got a location and we moved to her apartment.

565
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 8: We stayed there actually and once we meet we once

566
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 8: we met Kite then actually we were actually we were

567
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 8: we were late because we were me and Hans. It

568
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 8: wasn't midnight and me and Hamsa were out just searching

569
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 8: for a blaze to rent and searching for an apartment,

570
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 8: a blaze to stay. But like at the first time

571
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 8: once once we lived like we like everything like you

572
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 8: are strange. You are strange in a strange blaze. You

573
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,399
Speaker 8: you don't know anybody in there. Everything just came out

574
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 8: of nowhere. You are traveling. We were like we were

575
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 8: sitting in the home normally, and just like our friends

576
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 8: called us, they told us, we show we saw your names.

577
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 8: So like nothing was prepared, even our clothes, our clothes

578
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 8: wasn't he prepared Actually, like we prepared everything in in

579
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 8: the morning, just before traveling a few hours. So like

580
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 8: we went. We went there, we stayed in the hair

581
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 8: apartment and there we got just we found a place

582
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 8: to stay, to stay at and actually life in Egypt,

583
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 8: it's it's too expensive to as students as a people

584
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 8: who don't have work, who took money from their family

585
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,479
Speaker 8: and who like their family is staying in the war.

586
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 8: So it was too expensive, too expensive to turn drink

587
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 8: an apartment actually and just drink the normal. This is

588
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 8: the normal that defense one I mean not the one

589
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 8: that you used. You you used to live in in

590
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 8: Ghaza and your normal life just a blaze to stay there.

591
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 8: But there is no choice. Actually, like you you want

592
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 8: to stay. You want to stay in Bible houses because

593
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 8: like people want to trouble, they want the understaying I

594
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 8: mean for forever. So you have to choose a place

595
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 8: to stay at. We're in the apartment and we thought

596
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 8: that we may we're going to get a solution in Cairo.

597
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 8: Actually we weren't totty close to the university. So if

598
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 8: we got accepted, we can be class going to the university.

599
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 8: But unfortunately, like there's no solution here.

600
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: Right, you did mention that at the top of the interviews.

601
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: So the three of you are no longer living together. Right,

602
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 1: Almost a year has gone or several months have gone

603
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: by since you left Kaza. So what does your life

604
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:22,439
Speaker 1: look like now as you attempt to rebuild in different countries? Now?

605
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 4: Actually, as I mentioned before, it was the first time

606
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 4: for every one of us to travel and to lift

607
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 4: to Gaza. So just this, like this idea, just imagining

608
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 4: this idea was hard, but I was saying, like, just imagine,

609
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 4: like the easiest port is just your brother will be

610
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 4: with you. So when it just when we just go

611
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 4: to Cairo, we stay together and everyone like of us

612
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 4: start searching and finding just a way to complete or

613
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 4: to start or anything just to join universities. So in

614
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 4: the beginning, like it was so much hard, Like I

615
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 4: can't like like literally remember that memory. We loved in

616
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 4: Cairo and in Egypt. The first month was so much hard.

617
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 4: But the only thing that it can just make it

618
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 4: easy for you that my brothers were with me. So

619
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 4: after that when the travel, I stayed alone with me

620
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 4: and Ahmed, and like we stayed maybe alone like for

621
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 4: three months or something until that day after I just

622
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 4: I couldn't find any solution to study in Egypt, so

623
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 4: I just find my way to complete and Turkey. So

624
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 4: it was just the first time for me to leave

625
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 4: like like living to Cairo wasn't that like I know,

626
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 4: like I left my mom, my brother and my whole

627
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 4: family like behind in the north. But I was having

628
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 4: just members of my family with me, and even like

629
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,720
Speaker 4: the whole eye I couldn't list like even the school

630
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 4: when it was just going for school, I was going

631
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 4: with them and come back with them, and every single

632
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 4: thing in my life, taking courses, going outside, friends, everything

633
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 4: is just together, so it was so much hard for

634
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 4: me to leave. I remember when just I go like

635
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,280
Speaker 4: the first time we go to say goodbye for Hamza

636
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 4: and the air wort and we just started crying the

637
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 4: same thing when that happened for me when I just

638
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 4: say goodbye for Ahmad, And I remember that day when

639
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:36,479
Speaker 4: just he called me mom and detail her. Every couple

640
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 4: of months, I just say goodbye to one of my

641
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 4: family members. The first time I said goodbye to you

642
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 4: when they left you in Girlsa, the second time I

643
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 4: say to Hamsha. And now I'm saying to Turnim. And

644
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 4: every just time, every period, just the people is getting

645
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 4: out of my life and just I'm saying alone. So

646
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 4: that sentence was just fulling my head. Now everyone like

647
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 4: imagine we're a small family. We spend every single thing

648
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 4: in our life together and when one time everything gets

649
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 4: changed to reach like just the level that everyone of

650
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 4: us literally living in a different area. Everyone like no

651
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 4: one is with the other. I'm in a city and

652
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 4: my brother in a city, and Ahmas in a different country,

653
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 4: and my mom and the Nord and my brother is

654
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 4: his wife and he gets everyone like we're just like

655
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 4: we are a family that we are only seven members

656
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 4: of this family, but every single one of us is

657
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 4: totally living in a different place and totally living a

658
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 4: special kind of suffering just to live like the suffering

659
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 4: we live it here, like Ahmad is just still suffering

660
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 4: to find a university so he can complete and not

661
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 4: to search from the very beginning, me and Hamza, we

662
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:56,240
Speaker 4: still suffer to complete our university and to live here

663
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 4: in just a foraging country, a country that they didn't

664
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 4: even speak our language. And the people that we will

665
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 4: never imagine that we will live with them, not just

666
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 4: like come for a couple of days and have fun.

667
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:09,919
Speaker 5: We will live like a year.

668
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 4: Like for me, I will live seven with this in

669
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 4: this country, in this like foreign country, and the same

670
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:20,280
Speaker 4: things for my family that it's been just a few,

671
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 4: like a few families that they still in the North,

672
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 4: and my family was one of them. They're still in

673
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 4: the North and they just suffering to live. They're suffering

674
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 4: to find food, to find water, to stay safe. They're suffering.

675
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 4: They're running from a blaze to others just to protect

676
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 4: their lives. This was like seven October, and everything happened

677
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 4: after that they was literally damaging everything.

678
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 5: In my life.

679
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 4: Like imagine that you have just a simple dream list,

680
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 4: but like after this day and after all of the

681
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 4: situations that happened, everything was canceled and just effecting the

682
00:41:58,239 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 4: whole thing that you lived before.

683
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 5: So it was so much hard.

684
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 4: And and even just taking the choice, like you know,

685
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 4: even just taking the choice to travel and just read

686
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 4: your family behind was so much hard. You couldn't imagine

687
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 4: house the night that we spend Like it's like the

688
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 4: covering the news in Gaza and especially in the North

689
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 4: is so bad, like because you wouldn't have like no,

690
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,720
Speaker 4: like there's no a lot of people still in the North,

691
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 4: so getting news or what's happening there or what's the

692
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 4: updates there, it was so much heard. So if you

693
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 4: are lucky and someone just share a news about something

694
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 4: happened in the North, they will just say, like the

695
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 4: top time, like they bump a house in the street,

696
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 4: and your mind imagine that this is the street you're

697
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,720
Speaker 4: living in, and just your mind now will start working

698
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 4: which which house, which place is it? My family? Is

699
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 4: it next to them? Is it doesn't affect them, what's

700
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:04,240
Speaker 4: happened to them? Imagine just your mind just will thinking

701
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 4: like overthink and overthink about this, and you couldn't even

702
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 4: have a call, even a cold imagine as symbol like

703
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 4: a call. You can't do it. We don't have networks

704
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 4: to call our family. So even just the symbolest thing

705
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 4: if you like, okay, we didn't like we find it

706
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 4: hard to meet them or to see them. But unless

707
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 4: having a call with them just to make sure, like

708
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 4: are you fine, this is not acceptable. Just imagine how

709
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 4: is the night that you spend like your phone is

710
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 4: not silent, you're just waiting every minute to get any

711
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 4: use to check them to see how the situation there

712
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 4: if anyone shared any news and sometimes like some people

713
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 4: share a news and in the end it turned out

714
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 4: it's not correct or it's not specific this area. And

715
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,720
Speaker 4: imagine every time you will be someone who worried about

716
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 4: every single news if it's right, wrong, specific, not specific.

717
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 4: You will be just wearried and imagining like and feeling

718
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 4: you know, just feeling guilty or something and like about

719
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 4: like that you take just this a choice and you

720
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 4: take it. There's just this choice to complete your study.

721
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 4: You just need like to live the worries and this

722
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,720
Speaker 4: afraid because you left your family to complete your study.

723
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: Thank you tour name for sharing that. That's the same

724
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: question to you, what does your life look like now

725
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,720
Speaker 1: as you attempt to rebuild in Turkey?

726
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 7: You know that I was.

727
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 6: The first one who decided to move Gaza, and I

728
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 6: attempt to time to move from Gaza to north of Gaza,

729
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 6: to the south, then to Egypt. But the first attempt failed.

730
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 6: The first attempt was like I got my bag handbag

731
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 6: and decided that I want to move. I decided this

732
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 6: because I was a volunteer in the Cheval hospital and

733
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 6: in Al Mahma Danny Hospital for six months and emergency

734
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 6: departments and an autobedic department. When I when there's nothing

735
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 6: to do. Really, I doing nothing at the hospital, so

736
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 6: I decided to move. Can you imagine that there was

737
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 6: a young guy, I think he was nineteen. He got

738
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 6: a bullet in his eye. So there is no city,

739
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 6: no X ray, no ultrasound, so we're just waiting. After

740
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 6: after four hours, he started complaining of the materiorial blood

741
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 6: in his urine only and we complete waiting nothing to do.

742
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 7: We have nothing to do. So after.

743
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 6: Two hours his family started shouting, he's dying. So I

744
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 6: went there he's dying. So I started give adrenaline. So

745
00:45:56,360 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 6: I kept doing sib R for twenty five minutes until

746
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 6: his bubils are total telefix dilated.

747
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 7: So that's me.

748
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 6: The brain has already dead. So simply I'm telling his

749
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 6: mom that your son has best away. You know that

750
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 6: during the medical school for sixty for six years in

751
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:24,959
Speaker 6: the medical school, we they learning us have to freck

752
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 6: bad news. How to tell the patient that you have something,

753
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 6: How to tell the family that your son or your

754
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 6: daughter has best away. But in this war, simply you

755
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 6: are telling them that your son has best away.

756
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 7: So I decided to move.

757
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 6: When I'm so the first time I attend it was

758
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 6: it was failed because first time I got my bag

759
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 6: and move.

760
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 7: So I was crossing the streets.

761
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 6: Every street I crossing, waiting so if I shake him,

762
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 6: is there some either or not? So I chinking, is

763
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 6: there is there military vehicles and this is street or not?

764
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 6: So I kept going, going going, So I crossed half

765
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 6: of the roads. Then I find Ahmed behind me shouting,

766
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 6: so come back, come back. The military is in this road.

767
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 6: So I decided to come back. Then we got the

768
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 6: second attempt and we moved to Egypt. Once I arrived

769
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 6: to Egypt, so I started thinking what should I do?

770
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 7: So, how and where? Where?

771
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 6: How and where I will complete I will complete my study.

772
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 6: So I searched for multiple so multiple ways to trying

773
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 6: to find a way to complete my study. So if

774
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 6: I compare the situation for me here in Turkey and

775
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 6: the situation for me.

776
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 7: One year ago.

777
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 6: One years ago, I was living in a house save

778
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 6: room for me. In this room, you can close your

779
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 6: door and do whatever you want. But now nowadays I'm

780
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 6: living in a student housing, which is I have in

781
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 6: every single room there is five persons. Five persons you

782
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 6: are twenty four, there is extra four persons sharing the

783
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 6: same room with you, which means there is no bribes.

784
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 7: You can't do nothing.

785
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 6: You know that sometimes you feel you want to cry,

786
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 6: simply in normal feelings, normal emotion, you.

787
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 7: Want to cry.

788
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 6: So I just cover my head and start crying. So

789
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 6: I don't want anybody. I don't want anybody to see

790
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 6: me crying. But I can't stop this emotion. To my

791
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 6: sister or my brother, start telling them what I'm feeling.

792
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,399
Speaker 6: One hour later, I feel I am okay. Nowadays I'm

793
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 6: starting crying, crying for an hour.

794
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,760
Speaker 7: Then I have to wash my face and I'm okay.

795
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 6: I have to pretend that I am okay, but inside me,

796
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 6: I'm not okay.

797
00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:58,879
Speaker 7: That's the situation here.

798
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 6: I were living with my family, I know all of them,

799
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 6: they know me. And my neighborhood. I know all of

800
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 6: my neighbors, they know me. But here I don't know anybody.

801
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 6: And the second thing that people here considering us as

802
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 6: a stranger.

803
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 7: You're a stranger.

804
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 6: I am a human, So why this discrimination? Why are

805
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 6: you doing this discrimination. I am a human like you,

806
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 6: and I don't have any difference from you, but they

807
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 6: are considering us like strangers and refugees, not only strangers,

808
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 6: even if I am studying. So I don't ask you

809
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 6: for help. I don't ask you for shelter. I don't

810
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 6: ask you for money, I don't ask you for anything.

811
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 6: I am a formal person here. I entered formally this

812
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 6: country and I am studying, and they are considering us

813
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 6: like strangers.

814
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 7: That's the situation.

815
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,240
Speaker 1: Thank you hamsa Ahmar. How about you?

816
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 8: Did you before before the world was like a dream

817
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 8: just to come to Egypt as a tourist because there's

818
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 8: lots of gold places in here, just to visit and

819
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 8: to enjoy your time, to be happy by visiting them,

820
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 8: but actually coming to Egypt in that situation just to

821
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 8: change the whole idea. Just like like we were like

822
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 8: we were happy at the beginning. Maybe maybe it's like

823
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 8: we were just it's like not happy, but I mean

824
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 8: we were. We were thinking that it is a good

825
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 8: place to go to. Once we came and we just

826
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 8: we faced the reality of Egypt. The people here in

827
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 8: Egypt we had everything is different, like kind of like

828
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 8: people you can just I'm sorry for saying this, Like

829
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 8: it's kind of like buying people buy money. So there

830
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 8: is like they how how can do you ask them

831
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 8: to respect by giving them money? This is the only

832
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 8: way here in Egypt and here just everything they said,

833
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,879
Speaker 8: everything that every everything happening in Egypt has bad thing.

834
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 8: Everything just they say this is related to you. This

835
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 8: because of you Palestinians Gaus and came to the destroyed

836
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 8: our our country, our city. They make everything just more expensive,

837
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 8: the more expensive everything just yeah, everything they said like

838
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 8: this is because people came from the war and here

839
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 8: just they make everything more expensive. So that's a situation

840
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 8: here like people here three reads us. I don't know,

841
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 8: like I don't know why all of us are like

842
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 8: all of us are people. All of us are normal,

843
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 8: maybe like you are like in your city, in your country,

844
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 8: you are better than him. Actually you are in a

845
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 8: medical school and he's a normal like he maybe he's

846
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 8: not educated and he doesn't know how to write his name,

847
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 8: but like he just here here people saying this. So

848
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 8: he kept saying it. Just he tried or they try

849
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 8: to hurt you saying that words. Actually, according to me,

850
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 8: I don't move the apartment. I don't like to like

851
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 8: I don't like to see many people outside, like Egyptian

852
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 8: people like it's it's horrible actually to deal with them,

853
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 8: to live, to hear them talking about you, your situation.

854
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 8: Everybody just has a different obinion different toos. Like they

855
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 8: think like it's horrible actually to deal with them, or

856
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 8: just to have a normal or a simple conversation in

857
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:24,839
Speaker 8: a street or I mean a supermarket or anywhere. They

858
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 8: like everything bad just related to you. That's it. Like

859
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 8: I tell I didn't take anything from you, nothing I did.

860
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 8: Like I'm not studying, I'm paying for my myself. I'm

861
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 8: paying for my my stuff, myself everything. I am the

862
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 8: one who baying so like once you call like you

863
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 8: are calling me that I am a refugee or just

864
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 8: I run away from my country or I don't know

865
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 8: what a refugee like the meaning of refugee just to

866
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 8: be in a country and the the country just paying

867
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 8: you money because you are you have you have you

868
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 8: have residency on there, you are residents in the in

869
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 8: the country, in this country. But I am not. Actually

870
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 8: I'm paying for everything, and you call me a refugee.

871
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 8: Why we are we are both like like I am

872
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 8: like my country now in a bad situation. Maybe the

873
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 8: next time your country can be in that situation. So

874
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 8: why you treat me that way? Why you told me

875
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:21,320
Speaker 8: that this stuff? And actually Egypt used to have that situation.

876
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 8: I mean, uh, we're like kind of war but between

877
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 8: them themselves, the government what I mean, So like why

878
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 8: to call me? Why why do you treat me that way?

879
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 8: So this is the situation. So like now I'm accordingly,

880
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:39,280
Speaker 8: I'm trying as possible as as I can, as hard

881
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,720
Speaker 8: as I can, just to leave rem from him. Actually

882
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 8: now after turname left because like during' this is too expensive,

883
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 8: I just decided to to to rent a room an

884
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 8: apartment I'm living with with a strangers. I have no

885
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 8: idea about them. I have never seen them. Actually I'm

886
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 8: living with a strangers an apartment now, so like there

887
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 8: can just be on you know, on one orally I

888
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,439
Speaker 8: got nothing. I don't know, maybe maybe I can get

889
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 8: but unfortunately semester started. I tried outside right in America,

890
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 8: Canada or friends anywhere. I'm trying anywhere around the world

891
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 8: and even not not orop country to to go there,

892
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,359
Speaker 8: because like they gonna treat you that way. They're gonna

893
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 8: tell you that way if like they don't respect that thing,

894
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 8: or they don't just tell that you are coming from

895
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 8: a war, or you are just you're living under a

896
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 8: brusshure and you like have your family, and like they

897
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 8: don't they don't think about that situation. The only think

898
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 8: about that you are like you came from there. You

899
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 8: make everything worse. That's it. So I hope, like I

900
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 8: hope I can't get like I got a chance just

901
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 8: to travel from here just to continue my education, to

902
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,879
Speaker 8: study outside and anywhere, just to continue from the their

903
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 8: deer outside in any country around the world, any blaze,

904
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 8: any I have no idea where, but I mean any blaze,

905
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 8: any anniversity just could like offer me just to complete

906
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,280
Speaker 8: my education. I have all my documents, I have everything,

907
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 8: but unfortunately, unfortunately here in Egypt, there is there is

908
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:11,280
Speaker 8: no chance.

909
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you so final final question and final yeah,

910
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 1: just just thought if you want to share with the

911
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: listeners is what is your message for them? What do

912
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: you want the world to know? What do you want

913
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 1: people listeners to walk away from by listening to this episode?

914
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 8: So they are listeners, Actually what you are seeing in

915
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 8: the TV or listening on the radio or I don't know,

916
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 8: if you are following the news about Gaza, this is

917
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 8: only a point in d C you like you are

918
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 8: seeing nothing. This is normally like they don't share everything.

919
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 8: They don't share everything for people because like about they

920
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 8: don't they care about people feelings. I mean people who

921
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 8: are living on the situation like living in the war

922
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 8: in Gaza, just they they suffer and see more, and

923
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 8: they see a lot more than the people who are

924
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 8: out like who are watching from TV or who just

925
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 8: following news outside. Keep supporting Gaza, keep just helping them,

926
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 8: keep just working on a stopping the war. And this

927
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 8: is a personal just a personal message for the people

928
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 8: or for anybody who can listen I am here in Egypt.

929
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 8: I'm stuck. I have no idea if I can just

930
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 8: complete my education or not. If anybody, if you or

931
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 8: any any person who could help help me. Just who

932
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,760
Speaker 8: you know, anybody in a university, a doctor or professor.

933
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 8: I don't know anyone in the university. Anybody, Just who

934
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 8: can help me to find a chance, just to complete

935
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 8: my education, to complete my my dental school, to start

936
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 8: from the their yer. I have everything everything, I have

937
00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 8: my my documents, all of them. So of please, anyone,

938
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 8: anyone just who can who can help in this this way,

939
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 8: just a blease help?

940
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: Thank you Hamsa. How about you? What is your message

941
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: to our listeners?

942
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 8: To me?

943
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 6: My message is when I were in Gaza, I was

944
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 6: thinking that humanity, human rights is a big lie.

945
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 7: But when I left.

946
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 6: Gaza and they start dealing with this world, I realized

947
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 6: that the human rights and the humanity is a big lie. Unfortunately,

948
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 6: I realized this people performing racism towards us. And the

949
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 6: big thing that if we compare other situations in the

950
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 6: world with our situation, they are considering people from the

951
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 6: same situation but different country as humans and they give

952
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 6: them their rights. But for us, they consider us as

953
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 6: refugees and they don't give us the basics of our rights.

954
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 6: We don't ask anybody for anything. But why you are

955
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 6: performing racism towards us, I don't know. This is the

956
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 6: first thing the thinking and think that if you are

957
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 6: considering yourselves as a humans, please do your best to

958
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 6: stop the genocide in Gather, do your best to stop killing.

959
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 6: Everything has damaged and the whole city has damaged. We

960
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 6: are now having about sixty thousands militaris and this war.

961
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 6: So these sixty thousands are humans, so care about them.

962
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 6: They are not numbers. They are humans. They have a

963
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 6: right to live a level life. They have a right

964
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 6: to die in a peaceful way. And can you imagine

965
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 6: yourself you are when you die, you are hundreds of

966
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 6: pieces they collect you in bocket, that's your body. So

967
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 6: they have the right to live a human life and

968
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 6: die in a baseful way. And that's it. Thank you

969
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 6: very much. Stop this guenicide, Stop this genicide, stop this genocide.

970
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 7: Thank you, Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Hamsa Gardine.

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Speaker 4: Actually is just my message for all the people around

973
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 4: the world. Just it's been a year, it's been a

974
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 4: year seeing and listening for all this news. Can you

975
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 4: just please but yourself. I know no nobody around the

976
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 4: world can can can even imagine, but just try to

977
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 4: imagine to but yourself and just like the symbolist situation

978
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 4: in Gaza right now, and imagine, can you afford just

979
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 4: staying alive or staying there just for five minutes or

980
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 4: just after putting yourself in just our place there? Can

981
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 4: you imagine if the same situation is happening for you

982
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 4: and for your country, with the people be silent as

983
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 4: the same as there until now, silent about everything is happening.

984
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 4: Imagine that this genocide is happening for another country, a

985
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 4: big country or other country. Would the world be silent? No,

986
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 4: of course no, they won't even complete one day about

987
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 4: all of these things happening. But we complete one year,

988
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 4: one year just of suffering living under genocide. Even we

989
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 4: don't have no like even we don't have the basics,

990
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 4: not the basics like they're real in the world. We

991
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:39,959
Speaker 4: don't have water or food to eat or to drink.

992
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 4: We don't have just abees, we don't have a safety

993
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 4: place to stay in. You you just you sleep and

994
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 4: you're not sure if you the next day you will

995
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 4: wake up or your will just wake up and finding

996
01:00:55,600 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 4: your family next to you. Just just my message for you,

997
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 4: Just imagine yourself in the same place that we're been

998
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 4: spending years suffering and just dying in in a slowly way.

999
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 4: Imagine any anything, anything can you do can be a difference.

1000
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 4: Even sharing, sharing, and you even following the news, going

1001
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 4: outside with a lot of people every week and saying,

1002
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 4: just stop genocide. This will effect. If you say this

1003
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 4: won't effect. No, you will say this is not affect

1004
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 4: and the other will say so who will say? Who

1005
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 4: will care about us? We are a people, We are

1006
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 4: the same. All of us are a human being. All

1007
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 4: of all of us are a human being, and all

1008
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 4: of us have the right just to live in a

1009
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 4: peaceful way. All of us have the right just we

1010
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 4: need the basic We don't ask you for anything. We

1011
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 4: don't ask you just for literally anything. Just stop this

1012
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 4: genocide and let us complete our life like the moment

1013
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 4: that we were living before the seventh of October, and

1014
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:00,160
Speaker 4: just give us the chance to live as and a

1015
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 4: human being around the world thelist give us this, just

1016
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 4: the Simbilist tribes and a human investment.

1017
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 1: A special thank you to Caitlin Prest, director of Mermaid Palace,

1018
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 1: and host of the Heart Radiotopia for connecting us with Ahmad,

1019
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 1: Hasma and Darnim. Caitlin also produced a Gaza monologue series

1020
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 1: on her podcast The Heart. Please support that series and

1021
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 1: Ashtar Theater, a nonprofit theater training Palestinian youth. Caitlin and

1022
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 1: Ahmad who You Heard From Today, created a scholarship fund

1023
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 1: called the Mermaid Haved Scholarship Fund. By contributing to this

1024
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 1: scholarship fund on gofund me, you can support Ahmad, Hamza

1025
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 1: and Darnim complete their respective medical school education and restart

1026
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 1: their lives outside of Gaza. We hope you can contribute

1027
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 1: and share the gofund me with everyone in your network.

1028
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to another episode of Loka Dora Radio.

1029
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 1: Until next time, Besitos. Loka do A Radio is executive

1030
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:10,240
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1031
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 2: Stephanie Franco is our producer.

1032
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1040
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