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<v Speaker 1>piked in Massacre, a production of iHeartRadio and Katie Studios.

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<v Speaker 1>The Bodies of seven adults and one sixteen year old

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<v Speaker 1>boy were found in four different locations along the country

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<v Speaker 1>road in Pike County. A small town nightmare comes to

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<v Speaker 1>life in rural Ohio. Eight members of the road and

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<v Speaker 1>family gunned down in cold blood in their sleep. Just

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<v Speaker 1>a nightmare scenario, all of them shot in the head

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<v Speaker 1>execution style is absolutely shocking. The brutal murder spark a

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<v Speaker 1>two and a half year investigation comprising state, local, and

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<v Speaker 1>federal authorities. Then Attorney General Mike Dwine comments on what

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<v Speaker 1>ends in a stunning series of arrests at the center

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<v Speaker 1>of this case or members of the Wagner family, whom

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<v Speaker 1>we believe the avalanche will show who's fire together to

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<v Speaker 1>kill these eight people. It's a crime that shocks a

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<v Speaker 1>once quiet community and leaves a haunting legacy that may

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<v Speaker 1>lie at its very heart. There are survivors and they

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<v Speaker 1>are very young. We're talking three children, one is young

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<v Speaker 1>as four days old, a six month old baby, and

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<v Speaker 1>a three year old. And when the reporters were asking

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<v Speaker 1>were all of them asleep at the time, they said,

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<v Speaker 1>now this is the piked. In Massacre Episode three, Hannah

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<v Speaker 1>and Jake. Over the course of the first two episodes

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<v Speaker 1>we've covered the details of the rod And murders and

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<v Speaker 1>learned about the family accused of carrying them out, the Wagoners.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Courtney Armstrong, a producer at Keatie Studios. With Stephanie

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<v Speaker 1>Lydecker and Jeff Shane. We worked on a documentary about

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<v Speaker 1>the Road and Murders back in twenty nineteen. Here's Stephanie.

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<v Speaker 1>If we're going to talk about the road in deaths,

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<v Speaker 1>then we also need to talk about their lives. So

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<v Speaker 1>often when it comes to crime victims, it all becomes

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<v Speaker 1>about their murders and so little about who they were prior.

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<v Speaker 1>By all accounts, the Rodent family was a very happy,

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<v Speaker 1>close knit family. In fact, they lived jess miles from

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<v Speaker 1>one another. They were close enough that they all lived

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<v Speaker 1>on the same road, which speaks to just how tight

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<v Speaker 1>knit they were. And you know, this family went back

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<v Speaker 1>to generations in Pike County. Everyone we talked to you

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much said the same thing about them. They were

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<v Speaker 1>all very hard working, very kind, and very generous. And

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<v Speaker 1>we probably heard this the most about the matrix of

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<v Speaker 1>the family, Hannah's mother, Dana Rodin. Here's one of Dana's

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<v Speaker 1>oldest friends, Becky Ryder, She's a very nice person, just

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<v Speaker 1>a great mother and a great your wife to her husband. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>she's just a wrong, a good person. As we listened

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<v Speaker 1>to Becky described Dana Rodin, we began to see a

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<v Speaker 1>vivid portrait take shape. A trusted friend, a caring nurse

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<v Speaker 1>at a nearby assisted living facility, and a surrogate mother

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<v Speaker 1>to some of the local kids. Brittany was one of them,

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<v Speaker 1>A lifelong friend of Dana's son, Chris Junior. She reminisced

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<v Speaker 1>about Dana with Stephanie. She had shorter brown hair. She

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<v Speaker 1>always had the like curly and sometimes she would put

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<v Speaker 1>like purple streaks in her hair, brawn streaks, like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. She liked that kind of weird stuff. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sitting here like I always looked at her, like,

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<v Speaker 1>what are you doing to your hair? See now I

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<v Speaker 1>do that to my hair. She would be very proud

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<v Speaker 1>of you, Yes, she would. She'd laugh at me. And

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<v Speaker 1>Dana always sort of looked after everybody else's kids. She

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<v Speaker 1>would kind of be the mama bear. Yeah. One time

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<v Speaker 1>we were all riding and I wasn't. I wasn't on

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<v Speaker 1>the four whiller with Chris while we were all riding

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<v Speaker 1>in I actually gotten a wreck because the four whiller, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what happened to it, Like it just

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<v Speaker 1>completely messed up. And we flipped down the hill and

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<v Speaker 1>Chris went and got his mom, and his mom like

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<v Speaker 1>came up in the woods. It was like freaking out.

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<v Speaker 1>And then she took care of me, gave me some eyes,

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<v Speaker 1>she gave me some water, you know, being the whole

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<v Speaker 1>mom like are you okay? Are you okay? Do I

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<v Speaker 1>need to call the ambulance? So that was always a

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<v Speaker 1>good thing. Dana met her husband, Chris Roden Senior, when

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<v Speaker 1>she was in high school, and they fell in love immediately.

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<v Speaker 1>A few years later, they got married. Here again is

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<v Speaker 1>Becky Ryder speaking to producer Jeff Shane. She remembered meeting

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<v Speaker 1>Dana as a young wife who had found the man

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<v Speaker 1>of her dreams. Well, I met Dana, you're her and

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Senior was already married. So they got married in

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<v Speaker 1>high school then, Yes, she got married really young. Was

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<v Speaker 1>that uncommon? Yes, it's uncommon, But for her, she knew

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<v Speaker 1>that's the man that she loved, and she knew she

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to be with him forever. Stephane Likens knew Chris

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<v Speaker 1>Senior as a devoted family man and a skilled craftsman.

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<v Speaker 1>She spoke to our producer Jeff about him. I tell you,

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<v Speaker 1>if you could see some of the stuff, some of

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<v Speaker 1>the things that he built, like the decks. He was

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<v Speaker 1>an amazing carpenter. He built this one that had all

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of intricate you know, he designed them, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just his imagination. You know he could if you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if they said money, he's no object, you would be amazed,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the things that he could do together. Dana

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<v Speaker 1>and Chris Senior raised three kids, Frankie, Hannah, and Chris Junior,

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<v Speaker 1>but after more than twenty years of marriage, the relationship

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<v Speaker 1>began to fall apart. Dana and Christine You got divorced,

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<v Speaker 1>but they continued to live on the same property, working

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<v Speaker 1>together to take care of the children. They still had

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<v Speaker 1>each other's back no matter what. Their thing was always

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<v Speaker 1>four kids. Nineteen year old Hannah Rodin was Chris Senior

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<v Speaker 1>and Dana's only daughter. She was great, She was funny,

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<v Speaker 1>She was really funny. She was really really nice. She

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<v Speaker 1>knew everyone, Everyone knew her, and she just like talked

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<v Speaker 1>to everyone. But she wasn't stuck up or anything. Like that,

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<v Speaker 1>and she lived life to the fullest. But after her

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<v Speaker 1>murder in twenty sixteen, it became clear that Hannah's life

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<v Speaker 1>and the events leading up to her death were much

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<v Speaker 1>more complicated than anyone in piked In could have known.

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<v Speaker 1>All of this starts six years earlier, in the summer

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<v Speaker 1>of twenty ten. Hannah had recently turned thirteen, and she

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<v Speaker 1>starts dating a local boy named Jake Wagner. At the time,

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<v Speaker 1>Jake was just shy of eighteen. The relationship moves quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>Three years later, Hannah and Jake began planning to start

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<v Speaker 1>a family, and in November twenty thirteen, Hannah gives birth

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<v Speaker 1>to their baby girl, Sophia. She was a great mom

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<v Speaker 1>like sometimes she would bring her her baby to school

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<v Speaker 1>like the She would always come into mind in Chris's

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<v Speaker 1>class because we had American Government together, and she'd always

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<v Speaker 1>bring the baby in there and let our teacher, mister

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<v Speaker 1>Karino see the baby. We talked to a relative of

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<v Speaker 1>the Wagner family. She asked us not to use her name,

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<v Speaker 1>but shared her thoughts on what Jake was like as

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<v Speaker 1>a father to Sophia. Jack was always very I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>hand on like he would always be playing like Davey

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<v Speaker 1>out you know, non hand. He always kind of made

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<v Speaker 1>sure that she had what she needed. Just very active

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<v Speaker 1>with her and very protective of her. It seemed like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the second that if anything bad were to happen,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess he was on it. Like he was there

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<v Speaker 1>for her. He was ready to do whatever needed to

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<v Speaker 1>be done in order to make sure that she was okay.

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<v Speaker 1>While raising a family is difficult for the young couple,

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<v Speaker 1>they make things work. Hannah stays in school while Jake

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<v Speaker 1>works as a truck driver with his brother, George Wagner.

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<v Speaker 1>The couple and Sophia split time between the Rodent and

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<v Speaker 1>the Wagner households. For everyone involved, it's a dream scenario.

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<v Speaker 1>Angela Wagner, Jake's mother, is already a grandparent, but she's

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<v Speaker 1>excited to be spending time with the newest addition to

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<v Speaker 1>her family. Her great children. They absolutely adored her, They

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<v Speaker 1>loved her. They always wanted to, you know, go with her,

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<v Speaker 1>and she would go out of her way to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure that they were taking care of or, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>on the holidays, that they caught you know, anything like

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<v Speaker 1>coos eating she could give them and everything like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Dana Roden's friend Stefan told our producer Jeff that Dana

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<v Speaker 1>was just as elated. Was she excited to be a

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<v Speaker 1>grandmother again? Oh my gosh, yes, those babies were her lives.

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<v Speaker 1>In twenty fifteen, things seemed to be going well for

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<v Speaker 1>Hannah and Jake. They have a wedding date set and

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<v Speaker 1>even had rings tattooed on their fingers. Throughout that time,

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<v Speaker 1>Hannah became very close with the Wagner family, so much

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<v Speaker 1>so that after the murders, Angela Wagner tells the press

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<v Speaker 1>that Hannah was like a daughter to her and her

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<v Speaker 1>entire family. So if that's the case, what could possibly

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<v Speaker 1>have gone wrong? We have a little bit of insight

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<v Speaker 1>into that thanks to a signed Affi David that Jake

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<v Speaker 1>Wagner submitted, And this is just from his perspective, but

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<v Speaker 1>what he claims is that he and Hannah split in

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<v Speaker 1>April twenty fifteen, which is a year before the murders.

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<v Speaker 1>He claims that Hannah actually was the one to bring

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<v Speaker 1>up with him because she thought he was working too much,

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<v Speaker 1>and his perspective was that he wanted to stay at

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<v Speaker 1>home wife and a full time mother to Sophia, which

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<v Speaker 1>Hannah was just not ready to do, which, again, that

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<v Speaker 1>is his account. We don't have the benefit of having

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<v Speaker 1>Hannah's account or any of Hannah's family's account either. We

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<v Speaker 1>spoke with an anonymous Wagner family's source and they say

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<v Speaker 1>that Jake just really wasn't ready to throw in the

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<v Speaker 1>towel on the relationship period. He was trying very hard

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure that they got back together. He still

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to be with her, He was trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>get back with her just everything that he could. It's

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<v Speaker 1>really hard to know what goes on in a relationship

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<v Speaker 1>behind closed doors. Is it possible that Hannah felt as

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<v Speaker 1>though she was being controlled by Jake or that she

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<v Speaker 1>was in over her head and couldn't get out of

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<v Speaker 1>the relationship. Is it possible that Jake Wagner's broken heart

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<v Speaker 1>was really the reason that his entire family allegedly killed

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<v Speaker 1>her entire family. Yeah, again, going back to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>figuring out like the timeline and what might have happened,

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<v Speaker 1>We're able to kind of piece some of it together

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<v Speaker 1>through social media. We found a post from July of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty fifteen where she made a rather cryptic entry on

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook posting lyrics to a song about domestic abuse, and

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<v Speaker 1>the lyrics read he slowly isolates her from all of

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<v Speaker 1>her friends. She works really hard, but he takes all

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<v Speaker 1>of it. She ended the post with her own words, saying,

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<v Speaker 1>end domestic violence, live a happier life. It is important

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<v Speaker 1>to note that we don't know for an absolute fact

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<v Speaker 1>go back to that summer of twenty fifteen, just after

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<v Speaker 1>Hannah and Jake broke up. That May, she starts dating

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<v Speaker 1>a guy named Charlie Gilly. Charlie is her brother, Frankie's

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<v Speaker 1>best friend and the brother of Frankie's fiance, Hannah Gilly.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's journalist Jeff Winkler. There was this period after Hannah

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<v Speaker 1>May had broken things off with Jake Wagner that when

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<v Speaker 1>she got with Charlie, it was sort of what you

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<v Speaker 1>would hope for, you know, everyone seemed to like Charlie Gilly,

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<v Speaker 1>who you know, by all accounts, was very caring, very loving,

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<v Speaker 1>very much liked by the family. Charlie is proud of

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<v Speaker 1>his relationship with Hannah. He often posts photos of he

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<v Speaker 1>and Hannah kissing and proclaims his love for her online. However,

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<v Speaker 1>as fast as things heat up, they fizzle out just

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<v Speaker 1>as quickly, and by the end of July twenty fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>the couple breaks up now. According to that same Effi

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<v Speaker 1>David that Jake Wagner signed, he and Hannah continue a

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<v Speaker 1>physical relationship that entire summer. Brittany told Jeff Shane what

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<v Speaker 1>she heard about Jake Wagner and Hannah's fraud relationship from

0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:32.840
<v Speaker 1>Hannah's brother, Chris Junior. Chris would always come to school

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<v Speaker 1>and talk to me about it. What would he say,

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<v Speaker 1>just that his sister is in a shitty situation. He

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<v Speaker 1>just treats her awfully and she really can't do anything

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<v Speaker 1>about it because she has a kid with him. He

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<v Speaker 1>would just say that it's a whole bunch of bs

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<v Speaker 1>and that Jake would just treat her like crap, Like

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<v Speaker 1>what did you think about that? At the time, that

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<v Speaker 1>she needed to get out of that relationship and not

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<v Speaker 1>be associated with that. At some point this same summer,

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<v Speaker 1>Hannah falls for another boy from piked in, Corey Holdron.

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<v Speaker 1>According to our Wagner family source, when Jake finds out

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<v Speaker 1>he's crushed, she got extremely upset when he found out

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<v Speaker 1>that she was seeing somebody else, and he was hurt.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't understand and every time that I got a

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<v Speaker 1>chance to talk to him, he would cry. He was like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't understand why she's, why she's been

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<v Speaker 1>this way, why she you know, won't give me from

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<v Speaker 1>the chance to explain myself, Like, we could work on

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<v Speaker 1>it and it would be Goodia, we would be good

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<v Speaker 1>together her. I mean, it was just always Yeah, he

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<v Speaker 1>was very very upset about that. So and after I think,

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<v Speaker 1>after after being upset and after that prank of war off,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it did turn to anger. In August twenty fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>Hannah Summer ends with a big shock. She's pregnant. Unlike

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<v Speaker 1>her first child, this one is unplanned. Adding to the anxiety,

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<v Speaker 1>she doesn't know who the father is. The potential fathers

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<v Speaker 1>are Charlie Gilly, Corey Holdron, and Jake Wagner. For Jake,

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<v Speaker 1>the pregnancy offers a glimmer of hope. I could just

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<v Speaker 1>tell by talking to him that when he did find

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<v Speaker 1>out the Handle was pregnant again that it almost was

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<v Speaker 1>like a sense of release to him, kind of. I

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<v Speaker 1>think he thought that that was going to bring them

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<v Speaker 1>back together. He asked Canna and was willing to to

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<v Speaker 1>be there, you know, for the birth. He was asking,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if she needed any help with anything with

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<v Speaker 1>the baby, child support. He was willing to say that

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<v Speaker 1>he had gotten things for the baby. At one point

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<v Speaker 1>on him and Angela had went and bought a crib

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<v Speaker 1>and just things like that for the child. Yea. And

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<v Speaker 1>this was before he had any idea that was even

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<v Speaker 1>his or not. But behind the scenes, there are rumors

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<v Speaker 1>that the once amicable co parenting situation between Hannah and

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<v Speaker 1>Jake is beginning to fall apart. According to Mike Allen,

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<v Speaker 1>attorney and legal analyst for Fox nineteen and Cincinnati, things

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<v Speaker 1>soon reached a boiling point two or three weeks prior

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<v Speaker 1>to the murder. There's evidence that Jake Wagner and his

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<v Speaker 1>father tried to get Hannah road and to sign some

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<v Speaker 1>documents related to custody of her daughter Sophia to Jake Wagner.

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<v Speaker 1>But Jake's plan seems to backfire here again our Wagner

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<v Speaker 1>family member. There was a custody battle, is basically what

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<v Speaker 1>did go to do. There was a custody battle between

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the daughter. Hannah wasn't allowing Jake to see

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<v Speaker 1>her or any of the family to see her, and

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<v Speaker 1>so it kind of just got out of hand at

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<v Speaker 1>dot point. It just set him off to the point

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<v Speaker 1>where Jake, because he had made the comments a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of times, I mean, and I had tout a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of people's about this. I mean, had made the comments,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that he was going to to kill her.

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<v Speaker 1>And he told her that, you know, He's like, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to I'm going to have to kill you. Like

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<v Speaker 1>you're not going you're not gonna let me see the baby,

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<v Speaker 1>then you know you're not gonna have her. And I'm like, Jake,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't say those things. Please just chill out. And

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<v Speaker 1>of course, you know, nobody ever really thinks like, oh

0:22:24.320 --> 0:22:28.720
<v Speaker 1>my god, he's actually going to consider that. Right. People

0:22:28.800 --> 0:22:31.560
<v Speaker 1>say stuff like that all the time, rush it's right, like,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when they're upset as he was. I mean, he

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<v Speaker 1>was just completely out of his mind. It really really

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<v Speaker 1>upset him. On April seventeenth, twenty sixteen, in the midst

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<v Speaker 1>of the couple's custody dispute, Hannah gives birth to a

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<v Speaker 1>baby girl named Kylie. On the births to forget, she

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't list anyone as the father. Less than a week later,

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<v Speaker 1>on April twenty second, Hannah and seven members of her

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<v Speaker 1>family are found murdered in their homes. Thankfully, the life

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<v Speaker 1>of baby Kylie and her two cousins are spared. The

0:23:06.920 --> 0:23:09.919
<v Speaker 1>brutal murders committed in front of these young children rattled

0:23:09.920 --> 0:23:13.280
<v Speaker 1>everyone who heard about the story, even seasoned prosecutors like

0:23:13.359 --> 0:23:16.720
<v Speaker 1>an Attorney General Mike Dwine. I guess the worst thing

0:23:16.760 --> 0:23:19.720
<v Speaker 1>I've ever seen. And when you see a mother, young

0:23:19.800 --> 0:23:22.919
<v Speaker 1>mother just gave worth four days before, and she's murdered

0:23:23.280 --> 0:23:26.440
<v Speaker 1>right beside her child. Thank god they did not harm

0:23:26.480 --> 0:23:29.680
<v Speaker 1>the baby. But you know, it doesn't get much worse

0:23:29.720 --> 0:23:35.240
<v Speaker 1>than that. Jeff Winkler spoke to us about trying to

0:23:35.280 --> 0:23:38.879
<v Speaker 1>make sense of the killer's intentions. There was a conscious

0:23:39.000 --> 0:23:44.400
<v Speaker 1>choice to leave every single young child alive who basically

0:23:44.440 --> 0:23:48.600
<v Speaker 1>couldn't identify them successfully. I mean, that is probably the

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<v Speaker 1>most shocking part of the whole ordeals that there was

0:23:51.920 --> 0:23:56.359
<v Speaker 1>a conscious choice by these killers to spare the children,

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<v Speaker 1>which sort of displays the coldheartedness of decisions they were making.

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<v Speaker 1>Going back to the timeline for a second. Following the murder,

0:24:09.200 --> 0:24:11.640
<v Speaker 1>it was one week that passed and Jake Wagner files

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<v Speaker 1>for custody for both Sophia and the newborn Kylie. He

0:24:15.000 --> 0:24:18.480
<v Speaker 1>seems convinced that he's Kylie's father, but acknowledges that even

0:24:18.480 --> 0:24:21.119
<v Speaker 1>if he isn't, he still deserves partial custody so the

0:24:21.160 --> 0:24:23.920
<v Speaker 1>sisters could spend time together. Yeah, the whole Wagner family

0:24:23.960 --> 0:24:28.480
<v Speaker 1>was pretty vocal at that time about their need to

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<v Speaker 1>have custody of these kids. Angela Wagner told the press

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<v Speaker 1>that Sophia and Kylie quote unquote needed each other and

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<v Speaker 1>that when they got older enough to understand what happened

0:24:39.560 --> 0:24:42.480
<v Speaker 1>to their mother, that they will really need each other. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>and custody is something as complicated and it varies state

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<v Speaker 1>by state. So Stephanie, I know you dug into this

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<v Speaker 1>quite a bit. Yeah, it's very specific. We spoke to

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<v Speaker 1>a family law attorney in Ohio, and you know, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're an unmarried woman, all parental rights go to you.

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<v Speaker 1>The father does not have any parental rights unless he

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<v Speaker 1>goes to court and files accordingly. To that point, these

0:25:09.960 --> 0:25:13.800
<v Speaker 1>papers for custody were filed exactly one week after the murders.

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<v Speaker 1>That's pretty quick to pull all of your custody documents

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<v Speaker 1>together in such a short amount of time. I know

0:25:20.280 --> 0:25:23.399
<v Speaker 1>things vary from state to state, but it's pretty unusual

0:25:23.480 --> 0:25:27.760
<v Speaker 1>to have that so tidy so quickly. And some reports

0:25:27.760 --> 0:25:30.120
<v Speaker 1>I've indicated that that may mean that they had been

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<v Speaker 1>going through the process and that Jake and the Wagner

0:25:33.680 --> 0:25:38.320
<v Speaker 1>family were compiling documents in such prior to the murders.

0:25:38.520 --> 0:25:42.119
<v Speaker 1>So it is possible that because he didn't have any rights,

0:25:42.640 --> 0:25:46.360
<v Speaker 1>could that actually be reason enough to go through with

0:25:46.400 --> 0:25:49.760
<v Speaker 1>this crime. Yeah. I spoke to Mike Allen, he's a

0:25:49.800 --> 0:25:53.040
<v Speaker 1>former prosecutor and now he's a criminal defense attorney in Ohio,

0:25:53.359 --> 0:25:56.440
<v Speaker 1>and he told me about how Jake's quick custody filings

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<v Speaker 1>look from a legal perspective, that's extremely strong evidence for

0:26:00.960 --> 0:26:04.480
<v Speaker 1>the prosecution. I mean six days, less than a week

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<v Speaker 1>after the killings to go ahead and file it can

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<v Speaker 1>take months, you know, maybe a year, a little bit more,

0:26:11.920 --> 0:26:15.000
<v Speaker 1>a little bit less. It's not something that goes quickly

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<v Speaker 1>at all. And I think that that is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be some evidence that's problematic for the defense doing it

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<v Speaker 1>that quickly. After the murders, Jake seems determined to be

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<v Speaker 1>a father to Sophia and to Hannah's newborn baby. Throughout

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<v Speaker 1>Hannah's pregnancy and even after the birth, Jake Wagner publicly

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<v Speaker 1>says there's a good chance he's baby Kylie's father. He's

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<v Speaker 1>so confident that shortly after Kylie is born, he checks

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<v Speaker 1>her for a hammer index toe, a Wagner family trade.

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<v Speaker 1>He still wanted to be involved and still wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>be there, so it was a very emotional time for him.

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<v Speaker 1>So he really wanted to be a part of hannah

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<v Speaker 1>life and Sophia's life and Kylie's baby, Kylie's life. Absolutely, absolutely,

0:27:04.800 --> 0:27:08.040
<v Speaker 1>he was still willing, I guess, to get help with

0:27:08.359 --> 0:27:11.320
<v Speaker 1>the child, help with you know, whatever Handah would need.

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<v Speaker 1>In June twenty sixteen, nearly two months after the road

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<v Speaker 1>and murders, Jake Wagner, Charlie Gilly, and Corey Holdron all

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<v Speaker 1>take paternity tests. It's determined that Charlie Gilly is Kylie's father.

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<v Speaker 1>With baby Kylie going to her father Charlie Gilly, three

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<v Speaker 1>year old Sophia goes to her father, Jake Wagner, the accused,

0:27:34.920 --> 0:27:38.400
<v Speaker 1>which is interesting when you look at the timeline of events.

0:27:38.640 --> 0:27:41.600
<v Speaker 1>In fact, on the day of the murders, Jake allegedly

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<v Speaker 1>picked up Sophia from the road and home. As a result,

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<v Speaker 1>Sophia's life was thankfully spared. She wasn't even there. Was

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<v Speaker 1>that just a huge coincidence? Was that fate or does

0:27:53.520 --> 0:27:57.639
<v Speaker 1>that actually point to a larger plot. Well, for example,

0:27:57.840 --> 0:28:00.199
<v Speaker 1>if the Wagner's indeed are the killers, then on the

0:28:00.320 --> 0:28:02.600
<v Speaker 1>very day Hannah and the rest of the Rodents that

0:28:02.680 --> 0:28:06.080
<v Speaker 1>they were celebrating the expected birth of Kylie with the

0:28:06.119 --> 0:28:09.080
<v Speaker 1>baby shower, the Wagners were out shopping at Walmart for

0:28:09.160 --> 0:28:12.479
<v Speaker 1>items that the prosecutor plans to introduce his evidence at

0:28:12.560 --> 0:28:15.399
<v Speaker 1>their trial. Right, that's an important trip to Walmart that

0:28:15.480 --> 0:28:18.440
<v Speaker 1>becomes a big piece of this case. We've seen those

0:28:18.440 --> 0:28:22.200
<v Speaker 1>photographs too, from the baby shower, and everybody looks so happy,

0:28:22.760 --> 0:28:25.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's really staggering. Let's just say that Jake's

0:28:25.720 --> 0:28:29.080
<v Speaker 1>dream was to be a family again with Hannah. He

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<v Speaker 1>was in love with her. He wanted to keep his

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<v Speaker 1>family together. Why kill her and guarantee that you're traumatizing

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<v Speaker 1>your child. It doesn't really totally make sense. Journalist Jodie

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<v Speaker 1>Barr analyzed the potential motive. The older these kids get,

0:28:42.640 --> 0:28:44.760
<v Speaker 1>the more they're going to look like their moms and

0:28:44.840 --> 0:28:48.520
<v Speaker 1>dads who are murdered, and you want that connection, and

0:28:48.840 --> 0:28:51.440
<v Speaker 1>these families are fighting over that through the court system.

0:28:51.880 --> 0:28:54.760
<v Speaker 1>And now on the back end of this you learned

0:28:54.760 --> 0:28:58.280
<v Speaker 1>that wait a minute, if everything is true, that these

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<v Speaker 1>investigators have a ledge in these charging documents. Man, this

0:29:01.720 --> 0:29:04.240
<v Speaker 1>goes much deeper, you know, as far as the custody

0:29:04.320 --> 0:29:06.960
<v Speaker 1>is involved here, if that is truly what happened. But

0:29:07.080 --> 0:29:09.960
<v Speaker 1>this is a case. I mean we're four years removed

0:29:09.960 --> 0:29:12.880
<v Speaker 1>from this now. I think about this every day in

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<v Speaker 1>some respect. I mean, if it's you know, you wonder

0:29:15.640 --> 0:29:17.800
<v Speaker 1>about those kids, you know, how they're doing? Now? Has

0:29:17.800 --> 0:29:21.520
<v Speaker 1>it gotten any easier to accept this? Are those kids?

0:29:22.680 --> 0:29:25.800
<v Speaker 1>Do they remember any part of this? It's a whole

0:29:25.800 --> 0:29:28.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's generations of a family wiped out. Yeah.

0:29:28.560 --> 0:29:30.320
<v Speaker 1>Then you think about, you know, on the back end

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<v Speaker 1>of this, I mean, those kids had to go somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you do with those children? What are they

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<v Speaker 1>telling them? You know, it's just like when you when

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<v Speaker 1>you think about the human end of this outside of

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<v Speaker 1>the investigation, Man, this family, These are going to be

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<v Speaker 1>hard conversations that they have with these children. Could you

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<v Speaker 1>imagine explaining this to a kid when they ask where

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<v Speaker 1>their mom and dad are? Tell me about my mom

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<v Speaker 1>and dad? And I mean they're going to get on

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<v Speaker 1>because ever have is going to come up, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever happened that morning on Union Hill Road. You know

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<v Speaker 1>it impacted a lot more than just those eight people

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<v Speaker 1>you know that, Hayna, May you know, just just hide

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<v Speaker 1>that baby and they you know, it's Oh, it makes

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<v Speaker 1>me sick. It's really unimaginable. Yes it is. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>No one deserves, no one deserves to die the way

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<v Speaker 1>my heart that Daniel'll never see her kids, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>grow up, go to go to school, get married, have

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<v Speaker 1>it is. On the one hand, you've heard, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>you've heard. I've heard that like whoever did this, um

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<v Speaker 1>will never grow they'll they'll grow up without their parents.

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<v Speaker 1>We know that the Wagoners are in prison awaiting trial

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<v Speaker 1>for these murders, but also that they've pled not guilty

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<v Speaker 1>than the Wagoners committed this crime, who was it and why.

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<v Speaker 1>During the ensuing investigation, information started to emerge that perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>Here's reporter James Pilcher, who followed the story closely for

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<v Speaker 1>years on The Therapist. The Rodents appeared to be, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>salt of the earth. All American, very close knit family,

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<v Speaker 1>and there were other things that led you to believe

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<v Speaker 1>that all was now as it seemed. There had been

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<v Speaker 1>reports of scuples with other people in public, there had

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<v Speaker 1>been reports of run ins with law enforcement, and it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't long before authorities made a shocking discovery that turned

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<v Speaker 1>Dwine at a news conference a few days after the

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<v Speaker 1>murders took place. Let me go ahead, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's okay for us to confirm that we did find

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<v Speaker 1>marijuana in three three locations. It's a grow operations. Later

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<v Speaker 1>it was discovered that the Rodents had a pretty sizable

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<v Speaker 1>crop of marijuana plants on their property. You know, there

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<v Speaker 1>were indications that they were involved in some drug deals

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<v Speaker 1>over their turf. All kinds of rumors started slow after

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<v Speaker 1>deeply sourced reporter and is always willing to hold the

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<v Speaker 1>powerful accountable. On her new CNN show The Source with

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<v Speaker 1>Caitlyn Collins, Caitlin is bringing that tenacious spirit to prime time.

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<v Speaker 1>She's chasing the facts, connecting with her rolodex of sources

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<v Speaker 1>and pulling the threads of a story together right up

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<v Speaker 1>to the minute she goes live, so viewers are getting

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<v Speaker 1>the very latest The Source with Caitlyn Collins weeknights at

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<v Speaker 1>nine pm Eastern only on CNN