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Speaker 1: The Bodies of seven adults and one sixteen year old
Speaker 1: boy were found in four different locations along the country
Speaker 1: road in Pike County. A small town nightmare comes to
Speaker 1: life in rural Ohio. Eight members of the road and
Speaker 1: family gunned down in cold blood in their sleep. Just
Speaker 1: a nightmare scenario, all of them shot in the head
Speaker 1: execution style is absolutely shocking. The brutal murder spark a
Speaker 1: two and a half year investigation comprising state, local, and
Speaker 1: federal authorities. Then Attorney General Mike Dwine comments on what
Speaker 1: ends in a stunning series of arrests at the center
Speaker 1: of this case or members of the Wagner family, whom
Speaker 1: we believe the avalanche will show who's fire together to
Speaker 1: kill these eight people. It's a crime that shocks a
Speaker 1: once quiet community and leaves a haunting legacy that may
Speaker 1: lie at its very heart. There are survivors and they
Speaker 1: are very young. We're talking three children, one is young
Speaker 1: as four days old, a six month old baby, and
Speaker 1: a three year old. And when the reporters were asking
Speaker 1: were all of them asleep at the time, they said,
Speaker 1: now this is the piked. In Massacre Episode three, Hannah
Speaker 1: and Jake. Over the course of the first two episodes
Speaker 1: we've covered the details of the rod And murders and
Speaker 1: learned about the family accused of carrying them out, the Wagoners.
Speaker 1: I'm Courtney Armstrong, a producer at Keatie Studios. With Stephanie
Speaker 1: Lydecker and Jeff Shane. We worked on a documentary about
Speaker 1: the Road and Murders back in twenty nineteen. Here's Stephanie.
Speaker 1: If we're going to talk about the road in deaths,
Speaker 1: then we also need to talk about their lives. So
Speaker 1: often when it comes to crime victims, it all becomes
Speaker 1: about their murders and so little about who they were prior.
Speaker 1: By all accounts, the Rodent family was a very happy,
Speaker 1: close knit family. In fact, they lived jess miles from
Speaker 1: one another. They were close enough that they all lived
Speaker 1: on the same road, which speaks to just how tight
Speaker 1: knit they were. And you know, this family went back
Speaker 1: to generations in Pike County. Everyone we talked to you
Speaker 1: pretty much said the same thing about them. They were
Speaker 1: all very hard working, very kind, and very generous. And
Speaker 1: we probably heard this the most about the matrix of
Speaker 1: the family, Hannah's mother, Dana Rodin. Here's one of Dana's
Speaker 1: oldest friends, Becky Ryder, She's a very nice person, just
Speaker 1: a great mother and a great your wife to her husband. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's just a wrong, a good person. As we listened
Speaker 1: to Becky described Dana Rodin, we began to see a
Speaker 1: vivid portrait take shape. A trusted friend, a caring nurse
Speaker 1: at a nearby assisted living facility, and a surrogate mother
Speaker 1: to some of the local kids. Brittany was one of them,
Speaker 1: A lifelong friend of Dana's son, Chris Junior. She reminisced
Speaker 1: about Dana with Stephanie. She had shorter brown hair. She
Speaker 1: always had the like curly and sometimes she would put
Speaker 1: like purple streaks in her hair, brawn streaks, like I
Speaker 1: don't know. She liked that kind of weird stuff. And
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here like I always looked at her, like,
Speaker 1: what are you doing to your hair? See now I
Speaker 1: do that to my hair. She would be very proud
Speaker 1: of you, Yes, she would. She'd laugh at me. And
Speaker 1: Dana always sort of looked after everybody else's kids. She
Speaker 1: would kind of be the mama bear. Yeah. One time
Speaker 1: we were all riding and I wasn't. I wasn't on
Speaker 1: the four whiller with Chris while we were all riding
Speaker 1: in I actually gotten a wreck because the four whiller, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened to it, Like it just
Speaker 1: completely messed up. And we flipped down the hill and
Speaker 1: Chris went and got his mom, and his mom like
Speaker 1: came up in the woods. It was like freaking out.
Speaker 1: And then she took care of me, gave me some eyes,
Speaker 1: she gave me some water, you know, being the whole
Speaker 1: mom like are you okay? Are you okay? Do I
Speaker 1: need to call the ambulance? So that was always a
Speaker 1: good thing. Dana met her husband, Chris Roden Senior, when
Speaker 1: she was in high school, and they fell in love immediately.
Speaker 1: A few years later, they got married. Here again is
Speaker 1: Becky Ryder speaking to producer Jeff Shane. She remembered meeting
Speaker 1: Dana as a young wife who had found the man
Speaker 1: of her dreams. Well, I met Dana, you're her and
Speaker 1: Chris Senior was already married. So they got married in
Speaker 1: high school then, Yes, she got married really young. Was
Speaker 1: that uncommon? Yes, it's uncommon, But for her, she knew
Speaker 1: that's the man that she loved, and she knew she
Speaker 1: wanted to be with him forever. Stephane Likens knew Chris
Speaker 1: Senior as a devoted family man and a skilled craftsman.
Speaker 1: She spoke to our producer Jeff about him. I tell you,
Speaker 1: if you could see some of the stuff, some of
Speaker 1: the things that he built, like the decks. He was
Speaker 1: an amazing carpenter. He built this one that had all
Speaker 1: kinds of intricate you know, he designed them, you know,
Speaker 1: just his imagination. You know he could if you know,
Speaker 1: if they said money, he's no object, you would be amazed,
Speaker 1: you know, the things that he could do together. Dana
Speaker 1: and Chris Senior raised three kids, Frankie, Hannah, and Chris Junior,
Speaker 1: but after more than twenty years of marriage, the relationship
Speaker 1: began to fall apart. Dana and Christine You got divorced,
Speaker 1: but they continued to live on the same property, working
Speaker 1: together to take care of the children. They still had
Speaker 1: each other's back no matter what. Their thing was always
Speaker 1: four kids. Nineteen year old Hannah Rodin was Chris Senior
Speaker 1: and Dana's only daughter. She was great, She was funny,
Speaker 1: She was really funny. She was really really nice. She
Speaker 1: knew everyone, Everyone knew her, and she just like talked
Speaker 1: to everyone. But she wasn't stuck up or anything. Like that,
Speaker 1: and she lived life to the fullest. But after her
Speaker 1: murder in twenty sixteen, it became clear that Hannah's life
Speaker 1: and the events leading up to her death were much
Speaker 1: more complicated than anyone in piked In could have known.
Speaker 1: All of this starts six years earlier, in the summer
Speaker 1: of twenty ten. Hannah had recently turned thirteen, and she
Speaker 1: starts dating a local boy named Jake Wagner. At the time,
Speaker 1: Jake was just shy of eighteen. The relationship moves quickly.
Speaker 1: Three years later, Hannah and Jake began planning to start
Speaker 1: a family, and in November twenty thirteen, Hannah gives birth
Speaker 1: to their baby girl, Sophia. She was a great mom
Speaker 1: like sometimes she would bring her her baby to school
Speaker 1: like the She would always come into mind in Chris's
Speaker 1: class because we had American Government together, and she'd always
Speaker 1: bring the baby in there and let our teacher, mister
Speaker 1: Karino see the baby. We talked to a relative of
Speaker 1: the Wagner family. She asked us not to use her name,
Speaker 1: but shared her thoughts on what Jake was like as
Speaker 1: a father to Sophia. Jack was always very I mean,
Speaker 1: hand on like he would always be playing like Davey
Speaker 1: out you know, non hand. He always kind of made
Speaker 1: sure that she had what she needed. Just very active
Speaker 1: with her and very protective of her. It seemed like,
Speaker 1: you know, the second that if anything bad were to happen,
Speaker 1: I guess he was on it. Like he was there
Speaker 1: for her. He was ready to do whatever needed to
Speaker 1: be done in order to make sure that she was okay.
Speaker 1: While raising a family is difficult for the young couple,
Speaker 1: they make things work. Hannah stays in school while Jake
Speaker 1: works as a truck driver with his brother, George Wagner.
Speaker 1: The couple and Sophia split time between the Rodent and
Speaker 1: the Wagner households. For everyone involved, it's a dream scenario.
Speaker 1: Angela Wagner, Jake's mother, is already a grandparent, but she's
Speaker 1: excited to be spending time with the newest addition to
Speaker 1: her family. Her great children. They absolutely adored her, They
Speaker 1: loved her. They always wanted to, you know, go with her,
Speaker 1: and she would go out of her way to make
Speaker 1: sure that they were taking care of or, you know,
Speaker 1: on the holidays, that they caught you know, anything like
Speaker 1: coos eating she could give them and everything like that.
Speaker 1: Dana Roden's friend Stefan told our producer Jeff that Dana
Speaker 1: was just as elated. Was she excited to be a
Speaker 1: grandmother again? Oh my gosh, yes, those babies were her lives.
Speaker 1: In twenty fifteen, things seemed to be going well for
Speaker 1: Hannah and Jake. They have a wedding date set and
Speaker 1: even had rings tattooed on their fingers. Throughout that time,
Speaker 1: Hannah became very close with the Wagner family, so much
Speaker 1: so that after the murders, Angela Wagner tells the press
Speaker 1: that Hannah was like a daughter to her and her
Speaker 1: entire family. So if that's the case, what could possibly
Speaker 1: have gone wrong? We have a little bit of insight
Speaker 1: into that thanks to a signed Affi David that Jake
Speaker 1: Wagner submitted, And this is just from his perspective, but
Speaker 1: what he claims is that he and Hannah split in
Speaker 1: April twenty fifteen, which is a year before the murders.
Speaker 1: He claims that Hannah actually was the one to bring
Speaker 1: up with him because she thought he was working too much,
Speaker 1: and his perspective was that he wanted to stay at
Speaker 1: home wife and a full time mother to Sophia, which
Speaker 1: Hannah was just not ready to do, which, again, that
Speaker 1: is his account. We don't have the benefit of having
Speaker 1: Hannah's account or any of Hannah's family's account either. We
Speaker 1: spoke with an anonymous Wagner family's source and they say
Speaker 1: that Jake just really wasn't ready to throw in the
Speaker 1: towel on the relationship period. He was trying very hard
Speaker 1: to make sure that they got back together. He still
Speaker 1: wanted to be with her, He was trying to get
Speaker 1: get back with her just everything that he could. It's
Speaker 1: really hard to know what goes on in a relationship
Speaker 1: behind closed doors. Is it possible that Hannah felt as
Speaker 1: though she was being controlled by Jake or that she
Speaker 1: was in over her head and couldn't get out of
Speaker 1: the relationship. Is it possible that Jake Wagner's broken heart
Speaker 1: was really the reason that his entire family allegedly killed
Speaker 1: her entire family. Yeah, again, going back to kind of
Speaker 1: figuring out like the timeline and what might have happened,
Speaker 1: We're able to kind of piece some of it together
Speaker 1: through social media. We found a post from July of
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen where she made a rather cryptic entry on
Speaker 1: Facebook posting lyrics to a song about domestic abuse, and
Speaker 1: the lyrics read he slowly isolates her from all of
Speaker 1: her friends. She works really hard, but he takes all
Speaker 1: of it. She ended the post with her own words, saying,
Speaker 1: end domestic violence, live a happier life. It is important
Speaker 1: to note that we don't know for an absolute fact
Speaker 1: that these posts were about Jake. The timeline certainly matches up,
Speaker 1: but if they were all about Jake, it raises a
Speaker 1: number of questions. Was Jake Wagner a controlling and abusive partner.
Speaker 1: Though we can't be sure about what went on behind
Speaker 1: the scenes of Jake and Hannah's relationship, we do know
Speaker 1: one thing, and it was eighteen years old when she
Speaker 1: posted that message, and she would be dead within a year.
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Speaker 1: go back to that summer of twenty fifteen, just after
Speaker 1: Hannah and Jake broke up. That May, she starts dating
Speaker 1: a guy named Charlie Gilly. Charlie is her brother, Frankie's
Speaker 1: best friend and the brother of Frankie's fiance, Hannah Gilly.
Speaker 1: Here's journalist Jeff Winkler. There was this period after Hannah
Speaker 1: May had broken things off with Jake Wagner that when
Speaker 1: she got with Charlie, it was sort of what you
Speaker 1: would hope for, you know, everyone seemed to like Charlie Gilly,
Speaker 1: who you know, by all accounts, was very caring, very loving,
Speaker 1: very much liked by the family. Charlie is proud of
Speaker 1: his relationship with Hannah. He often posts photos of he
Speaker 1: and Hannah kissing and proclaims his love for her online. However,
Speaker 1: as fast as things heat up, they fizzle out just
Speaker 1: as quickly, and by the end of July twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: the couple breaks up now. According to that same Effi
Speaker 1: David that Jake Wagner signed, he and Hannah continue a
Speaker 1: physical relationship that entire summer. Brittany told Jeff Shane what
Speaker 1: she heard about Jake Wagner and Hannah's fraud relationship from
Speaker 1: Hannah's brother, Chris Junior. Chris would always come to school
Speaker 1: and talk to me about it. What would he say,
Speaker 1: just that his sister is in a shitty situation. He
Speaker 1: just treats her awfully and she really can't do anything
Speaker 1: about it because she has a kid with him. He
Speaker 1: would just say that it's a whole bunch of bs
Speaker 1: and that Jake would just treat her like crap, Like
Speaker 1: what did you think about that? At the time, that
Speaker 1: she needed to get out of that relationship and not
Speaker 1: be associated with that. At some point this same summer,
Speaker 1: Hannah falls for another boy from piked in, Corey Holdron.
Speaker 1: According to our Wagner family source, when Jake finds out
Speaker 1: he's crushed, she got extremely upset when he found out
Speaker 1: that she was seeing somebody else, and he was hurt.
Speaker 1: He didn't understand and every time that I got a
Speaker 1: chance to talk to him, he would cry. He was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't understand why she's, why she's been
Speaker 1: this way, why she you know, won't give me from
Speaker 1: the chance to explain myself, Like, we could work on
Speaker 1: it and it would be Goodia, we would be good
Speaker 1: together her. I mean, it was just always Yeah, he
Speaker 1: was very very upset about that. So and after I think,
Speaker 1: after after being upset and after that prank of war off,
Speaker 1: I think it did turn to anger. In August twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: Hannah Summer ends with a big shock. She's pregnant. Unlike
Speaker 1: her first child, this one is unplanned. Adding to the anxiety,
Speaker 1: she doesn't know who the father is. The potential fathers
Speaker 1: are Charlie Gilly, Corey Holdron, and Jake Wagner. For Jake,
Speaker 1: the pregnancy offers a glimmer of hope. I could just
Speaker 1: tell by talking to him that when he did find
Speaker 1: out the Handle was pregnant again that it almost was
Speaker 1: like a sense of release to him, kind of. I
Speaker 1: think he thought that that was going to bring them
Speaker 1: back together. He asked Canna and was willing to to
Speaker 1: be there, you know, for the birth. He was asking,
Speaker 1: you know, if she needed any help with anything with
Speaker 1: the baby, child support. He was willing to say that
Speaker 1: he had gotten things for the baby. At one point
Speaker 1: on him and Angela had went and bought a crib
Speaker 1: and just things like that for the child. Yea. And
Speaker 1: this was before he had any idea that was even
Speaker 1: his or not. But behind the scenes, there are rumors
Speaker 1: that the once amicable co parenting situation between Hannah and
Speaker 1: Jake is beginning to fall apart. According to Mike Allen,
Speaker 1: attorney and legal analyst for Fox nineteen and Cincinnati, things
Speaker 1: soon reached a boiling point two or three weeks prior
Speaker 1: to the murder. There's evidence that Jake Wagner and his
Speaker 1: father tried to get Hannah road and to sign some
Speaker 1: documents related to custody of her daughter Sophia to Jake Wagner.
Speaker 1: But Jake's plan seems to backfire here again our Wagner
Speaker 1: family member. There was a custody battle, is basically what
Speaker 1: did go to do. There was a custody battle between
Speaker 1: you know, the daughter. Hannah wasn't allowing Jake to see
Speaker 1: her or any of the family to see her, and
Speaker 1: so it kind of just got out of hand at
Speaker 1: dot point. It just set him off to the point
Speaker 1: where Jake, because he had made the comments a couple
Speaker 1: of times, I mean, and I had tout a couple
Speaker 1: of people's about this. I mean, had made the comments,
Speaker 1: you know that he was going to to kill her.
Speaker 1: And he told her that, you know, He's like, I'm
Speaker 1: going to I'm going to have to kill you. Like
Speaker 1: you're not going you're not gonna let me see the baby,
Speaker 1: then you know you're not gonna have her. And I'm like, Jake,
Speaker 1: you can't say those things. Please just chill out. And
Speaker 1: of course, you know, nobody ever really thinks like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, he's actually going to consider that. Right. People
Speaker 1: say stuff like that all the time, rush it's right, like,
Speaker 1: especially when they're upset as he was. I mean, he
Speaker 1: was just completely out of his mind. It really really
Speaker 1: upset him. On April seventeenth, twenty sixteen, in the midst
Speaker 1: of the couple's custody dispute, Hannah gives birth to a
Speaker 1: baby girl named Kylie. On the births to forget, she
Speaker 1: doesn't list anyone as the father. Less than a week later,
Speaker 1: on April twenty second, Hannah and seven members of her
Speaker 1: family are found murdered in their homes. Thankfully, the life
Speaker 1: of baby Kylie and her two cousins are spared. The
Speaker 1: brutal murders committed in front of these young children rattled
Speaker 1: everyone who heard about the story, even seasoned prosecutors like
Speaker 1: an Attorney General Mike Dwine. I guess the worst thing
Speaker 1: I've ever seen. And when you see a mother, young
Speaker 1: mother just gave worth four days before, and she's murdered
Speaker 1: right beside her child. Thank god they did not harm
Speaker 1: the baby. But you know, it doesn't get much worse
Speaker 1: than that. Jeff Winkler spoke to us about trying to
Speaker 1: make sense of the killer's intentions. There was a conscious
Speaker 1: choice to leave every single young child alive who basically
Speaker 1: couldn't identify them successfully. I mean, that is probably the
Speaker 1: most shocking part of the whole ordeals that there was
Speaker 1: a conscious choice by these killers to spare the children,
Speaker 1: which sort of displays the coldheartedness of decisions they were making.
Speaker 1: Going back to the timeline for a second. Following the murder,
Speaker 1: it was one week that passed and Jake Wagner files
Speaker 1: for custody for both Sophia and the newborn Kylie. He
Speaker 1: seems convinced that he's Kylie's father, but acknowledges that even
Speaker 1: if he isn't, he still deserves partial custody so the
Speaker 1: sisters could spend time together. Yeah, the whole Wagner family
Speaker 1: was pretty vocal at that time about their need to
Speaker 1: have custody of these kids. Angela Wagner told the press
Speaker 1: that Sophia and Kylie quote unquote needed each other and
Speaker 1: that when they got older enough to understand what happened
Speaker 1: to their mother, that they will really need each other. Right,
Speaker 1: and custody is something as complicated and it varies state
Speaker 1: by state. So Stephanie, I know you dug into this
Speaker 1: quite a bit. Yeah, it's very specific. We spoke to
Speaker 1: a family law attorney in Ohio, and you know, yes,
Speaker 1: if you're an unmarried woman, all parental rights go to you.
Speaker 1: The father does not have any parental rights unless he
Speaker 1: goes to court and files accordingly. To that point, these
Speaker 1: papers for custody were filed exactly one week after the murders.
Speaker 1: That's pretty quick to pull all of your custody documents
Speaker 1: together in such a short amount of time. I know
Speaker 1: things vary from state to state, but it's pretty unusual
Speaker 1: to have that so tidy so quickly. And some reports
Speaker 1: I've indicated that that may mean that they had been
Speaker 1: going through the process and that Jake and the Wagner
Speaker 1: family were compiling documents in such prior to the murders.
Speaker 1: So it is possible that because he didn't have any rights,
Speaker 1: could that actually be reason enough to go through with
Speaker 1: this crime. Yeah. I spoke to Mike Allen, he's a
Speaker 1: former prosecutor and now he's a criminal defense attorney in Ohio,
Speaker 1: and he told me about how Jake's quick custody filings
Speaker 1: look from a legal perspective, that's extremely strong evidence for
Speaker 1: the prosecution. I mean six days, less than a week
Speaker 1: after the killings to go ahead and file it can
Speaker 1: take months, you know, maybe a year, a little bit more,
Speaker 1: a little bit less. It's not something that goes quickly
Speaker 1: at all. And I think that that is going to
Speaker 1: be some evidence that's problematic for the defense doing it
Speaker 1: that quickly. After the murders, Jake seems determined to be
Speaker 1: a father to Sophia and to Hannah's newborn baby. Throughout
Speaker 1: Hannah's pregnancy and even after the birth, Jake Wagner publicly
Speaker 1: says there's a good chance he's baby Kylie's father. He's
Speaker 1: so confident that shortly after Kylie is born, he checks
Speaker 1: her for a hammer index toe, a Wagner family trade.
Speaker 1: He still wanted to be involved and still wanted to
Speaker 1: be there, so it was a very emotional time for him.
Speaker 1: So he really wanted to be a part of hannah
Speaker 1: life and Sophia's life and Kylie's baby, Kylie's life. Absolutely, absolutely,
Speaker 1: he was still willing, I guess, to get help with
Speaker 1: the child, help with you know, whatever Handah would need.
Speaker 1: In June twenty sixteen, nearly two months after the road
Speaker 1: and murders, Jake Wagner, Charlie Gilly, and Corey Holdron all
Speaker 1: take paternity tests. It's determined that Charlie Gilly is Kylie's father.
Speaker 1: With baby Kylie going to her father Charlie Gilly, three
Speaker 1: year old Sophia goes to her father, Jake Wagner, the accused,
Speaker 1: which is interesting when you look at the timeline of events.
Speaker 1: In fact, on the day of the murders, Jake allegedly
Speaker 1: picked up Sophia from the road and home. As a result,
Speaker 1: Sophia's life was thankfully spared. She wasn't even there. Was
Speaker 1: that just a huge coincidence? Was that fate or does
Speaker 1: that actually point to a larger plot. Well, for example,
Speaker 1: if the Wagner's indeed are the killers, then on the
Speaker 1: very day Hannah and the rest of the Rodents that
Speaker 1: they were celebrating the expected birth of Kylie with the
Speaker 1: baby shower, the Wagners were out shopping at Walmart for
Speaker 1: items that the prosecutor plans to introduce his evidence at
Speaker 1: their trial. Right, that's an important trip to Walmart that
Speaker 1: becomes a big piece of this case. We've seen those
Speaker 1: photographs too, from the baby shower, and everybody looks so happy,
Speaker 1: you know, it's really staggering. Let's just say that Jake's
Speaker 1: dream was to be a family again with Hannah. He
Speaker 1: was in love with her. He wanted to keep his
Speaker 1: family together. Why kill her and guarantee that you're traumatizing
Speaker 1: your child. It doesn't really totally make sense. Journalist Jodie
Speaker 1: Barr analyzed the potential motive. The older these kids get,
Speaker 1: the more they're going to look like their moms and
Speaker 1: dads who are murdered, and you want that connection, and
Speaker 1: these families are fighting over that through the court system.
Speaker 1: And now on the back end of this you learned
Speaker 1: that wait a minute, if everything is true, that these
Speaker 1: investigators have a ledge in these charging documents. Man, this
Speaker 1: goes much deeper, you know, as far as the custody
Speaker 1: is involved here, if that is truly what happened. But
Speaker 1: this is a case. I mean we're four years removed
Speaker 1: from this now. I think about this every day in
Speaker 1: some respect. I mean, if it's you know, you wonder
Speaker 1: about those kids, you know, how they're doing? Now? Has
Speaker 1: it gotten any easier to accept this? Are those kids?
Speaker 1: Do they remember any part of this? It's a whole
Speaker 1: I mean, it's generations of a family wiped out. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Then you think about, you know, on the back end
Speaker 1: of this, I mean, those kids had to go somewhere.
Speaker 1: What do you do with those children? What are they
Speaker 1: telling them? You know, it's just like when you when
Speaker 1: you think about the human end of this outside of
Speaker 1: the investigation, Man, this family, These are going to be
Speaker 1: hard conversations that they have with these children. Could you
Speaker 1: imagine explaining this to a kid when they ask where
Speaker 1: their mom and dad are? Tell me about my mom
Speaker 1: and dad? And I mean they're going to get on
Speaker 1: the internet one day, They're going to google it. I mean,
Speaker 1: you google rodin the worst news possible they any human
Speaker 1: because ever have is going to come up, and you know,
Speaker 1: how do you prepare them for that? This is you know,
Speaker 1: whatever happened that morning on Union Hill Road. You know
Speaker 1: it impacted a lot more than just those eight people
Speaker 1: who are killed. I mean, you've got their family members
Speaker 1: and you've got people in that area are going to
Speaker 1: remember this forever. This is never going away. Let's stop
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