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You say twenty five dollars on your first 38 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: get around trip with code no line. Welcome to the 39 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: piked in Massacre, a production of iHeartRadio and Katie Studios. 40 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,839 Speaker 1: The Bodies of seven adults and one sixteen year old 41 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: boy were found in four different locations along the country 42 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: road in Pike County. A small town nightmare comes to 43 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: life in rural Ohio. Eight members of the road and 44 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: family gunned down in cold blood in their sleep. Just 45 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: a nightmare scenario, all of them shot in the head 46 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: execution style is absolutely shocking. The brutal murder spark a 47 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: two and a half year investigation comprising state, local, and 48 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: federal authorities. Then Attorney General Mike Dwine comments on what 49 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: ends in a stunning series of arrests at the center 50 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: of this case or members of the Wagner family, whom 51 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: we believe the avalanche will show who's fire together to 52 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: kill these eight people. It's a crime that shocks a 53 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 1: once quiet community and leaves a haunting legacy that may 54 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: lie at its very heart. There are survivors and they 55 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:01,839 Speaker 1: are very young. We're talking three children, one is young 56 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: as four days old, a six month old baby, and 57 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: a three year old. And when the reporters were asking 58 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: were all of them asleep at the time, they said, 59 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: now this is the piked. In Massacre Episode three, Hannah 60 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: and Jake. Over the course of the first two episodes 61 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: we've covered the details of the rod And murders and 62 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: learned about the family accused of carrying them out, the Wagoners. 63 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: I'm Courtney Armstrong, a producer at Keatie Studios. With Stephanie 64 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: Lydecker and Jeff Shane. We worked on a documentary about 65 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: the Road and Murders back in twenty nineteen. Here's Stephanie. 66 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: If we're going to talk about the road in deaths, 67 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: then we also need to talk about their lives. So 68 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: often when it comes to crime victims, it all becomes 69 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: about their murders and so little about who they were prior. 70 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: By all accounts, the Rodent family was a very happy, 71 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: close knit family. In fact, they lived jess miles from 72 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: one another. They were close enough that they all lived 73 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: on the same road, which speaks to just how tight 74 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: knit they were. And you know, this family went back 75 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: to generations in Pike County. Everyone we talked to you 76 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: pretty much said the same thing about them. They were 77 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: all very hard working, very kind, and very generous. And 78 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 1: we probably heard this the most about the matrix of 79 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: the family, Hannah's mother, Dana Rodin. Here's one of Dana's 80 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: oldest friends, Becky Ryder, She's a very nice person, just 81 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: a great mother and a great your wife to her husband. Yeah, 82 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: she's just a wrong, a good person. As we listened 83 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: to Becky described Dana Rodin, we began to see a 84 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: vivid portrait take shape. A trusted friend, a caring nurse 85 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 1: at a nearby assisted living facility, and a surrogate mother 86 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: to some of the local kids. Brittany was one of them, 87 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:49,799 Speaker 1: A lifelong friend of Dana's son, Chris Junior. She reminisced 88 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: about Dana with Stephanie. She had shorter brown hair. She 89 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: always had the like curly and sometimes she would put 90 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: like purple streaks in her hair, brawn streaks, like I 91 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: don't know. She liked that kind of weird stuff. And 92 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 1: I'm sitting here like I always looked at her, like, 93 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: what are you doing to your hair? See now I 94 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: do that to my hair. She would be very proud 95 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: of you, Yes, she would. She'd laugh at me. And 96 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: Dana always sort of looked after everybody else's kids. She 97 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: would kind of be the mama bear. Yeah. One time 98 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: we were all riding and I wasn't. I wasn't on 99 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 1: the four whiller with Chris while we were all riding 100 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: in I actually gotten a wreck because the four whiller, Like, 101 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: I don't know what happened to it, Like it just 102 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: completely messed up. And we flipped down the hill and 103 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: Chris went and got his mom, and his mom like 104 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: came up in the woods. It was like freaking out. 105 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: And then she took care of me, gave me some eyes, 106 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: she gave me some water, you know, being the whole 107 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: mom like are you okay? Are you okay? Do I 108 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 1: need to call the ambulance? So that was always a 109 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 1: good thing. Dana met her husband, Chris Roden Senior, when 110 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: she was in high school, and they fell in love immediately. 111 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: A few years later, they got married. Here again is 112 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: Becky Ryder speaking to producer Jeff Shane. She remembered meeting 113 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: Dana as a young wife who had found the man 114 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 1: of her dreams. Well, I met Dana, you're her and 115 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: Chris Senior was already married. So they got married in 116 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: high school then, Yes, she got married really young. Was 117 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: that uncommon? Yes, it's uncommon, But for her, she knew 118 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 1: that's the man that she loved, and she knew she 119 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: wanted to be with him forever. Stephane Likens knew Chris 120 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: Senior as a devoted family man and a skilled craftsman. 121 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: She spoke to our producer Jeff about him. I tell you, 122 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: if you could see some of the stuff, some of 123 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: the things that he built, like the decks. He was 124 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: an amazing carpenter. He built this one that had all 125 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: kinds of intricate you know, he designed them, you know, 126 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: just his imagination. You know he could if you know, 127 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: if they said money, he's no object, you would be amazed, 128 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 1: you know, the things that he could do together. Dana 129 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: and Chris Senior raised three kids, Frankie, Hannah, and Chris Junior, 130 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: but after more than twenty years of marriage, the relationship 131 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: began to fall apart. Dana and Christine You got divorced, 132 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: but they continued to live on the same property, working 133 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: together to take care of the children. They still had 134 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: each other's back no matter what. Their thing was always 135 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: four kids. Nineteen year old Hannah Rodin was Chris Senior 136 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: and Dana's only daughter. She was great, She was funny, 137 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: She was really funny. She was really really nice. She 138 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: knew everyone, Everyone knew her, and she just like talked 139 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: to everyone. But she wasn't stuck up or anything. Like that, 140 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: and she lived life to the fullest. But after her 141 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: murder in twenty sixteen, it became clear that Hannah's life 142 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: and the events leading up to her death were much 143 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: more complicated than anyone in piked In could have known. 144 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: All of this starts six years earlier, in the summer 145 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: of twenty ten. Hannah had recently turned thirteen, and she 146 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: starts dating a local boy named Jake Wagner. At the time, 147 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: Jake was just shy of eighteen. The relationship moves quickly. 148 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: Three years later, Hannah and Jake began planning to start 149 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: a family, and in November twenty thirteen, Hannah gives birth 150 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: to their baby girl, Sophia. She was a great mom 151 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: like sometimes she would bring her her baby to school 152 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: like the She would always come into mind in Chris's 153 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: class because we had American Government together, and she'd always 154 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: bring the baby in there and let our teacher, mister 155 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: Karino see the baby. We talked to a relative of 156 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: the Wagner family. She asked us not to use her name, 157 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: but shared her thoughts on what Jake was like as 158 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 1: a father to Sophia. Jack was always very I mean, 159 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: hand on like he would always be playing like Davey 160 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: out you know, non hand. He always kind of made 161 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 1: sure that she had what she needed. Just very active 162 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: with her and very protective of her. It seemed like, 163 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: you know, the second that if anything bad were to happen, 164 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: I guess he was on it. Like he was there 165 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: for her. He was ready to do whatever needed to 166 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: be done in order to make sure that she was okay. 167 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: While raising a family is difficult for the young couple, 168 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: they make things work. Hannah stays in school while Jake 169 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: works as a truck driver with his brother, George Wagner. 170 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: The couple and Sophia split time between the Rodent and 171 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: the Wagner households. For everyone involved, it's a dream scenario. 172 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: Angela Wagner, Jake's mother, is already a grandparent, but she's 173 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: excited to be spending time with the newest addition to 174 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: her family. Her great children. They absolutely adored her, They 175 00:09:57,679 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: loved her. They always wanted to, you know, go with her, 176 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: and she would go out of her way to make 177 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 1: sure that they were taking care of or, you know, 178 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: on the holidays, that they caught you know, anything like 179 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: coos eating she could give them and everything like that. 180 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: Dana Roden's friend Stefan told our producer Jeff that Dana 181 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 1: was just as elated. Was she excited to be a 182 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: grandmother again? Oh my gosh, yes, those babies were her lives. 183 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 1: In twenty fifteen, things seemed to be going well for 184 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: Hannah and Jake. They have a wedding date set and 185 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: even had rings tattooed on their fingers. Throughout that time, 186 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: Hannah became very close with the Wagner family, so much 187 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: so that after the murders, Angela Wagner tells the press 188 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: that Hannah was like a daughter to her and her 189 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: entire family. So if that's the case, what could possibly 190 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: have gone wrong? We have a little bit of insight 191 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: into that thanks to a signed Affi David that Jake 192 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:56,959 Speaker 1: Wagner submitted, And this is just from his perspective, but 193 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: what he claims is that he and Hannah split in 194 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: April twenty fifteen, which is a year before the murders. 195 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,439 Speaker 1: He claims that Hannah actually was the one to bring 196 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: up with him because she thought he was working too much, 197 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: and his perspective was that he wanted to stay at 198 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 1: home wife and a full time mother to Sophia, which 199 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: Hannah was just not ready to do, which, again, that 200 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: is his account. We don't have the benefit of having 201 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 1: Hannah's account or any of Hannah's family's account either. We 202 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: spoke with an anonymous Wagner family's source and they say 203 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: that Jake just really wasn't ready to throw in the 204 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: towel on the relationship period. He was trying very hard 205 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: to make sure that they got back together. He still 206 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: wanted to be with her, He was trying to get 207 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: get back with her just everything that he could. It's 208 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: really hard to know what goes on in a relationship 209 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: behind closed doors. Is it possible that Hannah felt as 210 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: though she was being controlled by Jake or that she 211 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: was in over her head and couldn't get out of 212 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:58,319 Speaker 1: the relationship. Is it possible that Jake Wagner's broken heart 213 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 1: was really the reason that his entire family allegedly killed 214 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: her entire family. Yeah, again, going back to kind of 215 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: figuring out like the timeline and what might have happened, 216 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: We're able to kind of piece some of it together 217 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: through social media. We found a post from July of 218 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: twenty fifteen where she made a rather cryptic entry on 219 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: Facebook posting lyrics to a song about domestic abuse, and 220 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: the lyrics read he slowly isolates her from all of 221 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: her friends. She works really hard, but he takes all 222 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: of it. She ended the post with her own words, saying, 223 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: end domestic violence, live a happier life. It is important 224 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: to note that we don't know for an absolute fact 225 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: that these posts were about Jake. The timeline certainly matches up, 226 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: but if they were all about Jake, it raises a 227 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: number of questions. Was Jake Wagner a controlling and abusive partner. 228 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: Though we can't be sure about what went on behind 229 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: the scenes of Jake and Hannah's relationship, we do know 230 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 1: one thing, and it was eighteen years old when she 231 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,319 Speaker 1: posted that message, and she would be dead within a year. 232 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break here. We'll be 233 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: back in a moment. Like many of us, you might 234 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: think identity theft will never happen to you, but consider this. 235 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: There's a new identity theft victim every three seconds in 236 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: the US. 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Charlie is her brother, Frankie's 305 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 1: best friend and the brother of Frankie's fiance, Hannah Gilly. 306 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: Here's journalist Jeff Winkler. There was this period after Hannah 307 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: May had broken things off with Jake Wagner that when 308 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: she got with Charlie, it was sort of what you 309 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: would hope for, you know, everyone seemed to like Charlie Gilly, 310 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: who you know, by all accounts, was very caring, very loving, 311 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 1: very much liked by the family. Charlie is proud of 312 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 1: his relationship with Hannah. He often posts photos of he 313 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: and Hannah kissing and proclaims his love for her online. However, 314 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:12,959 Speaker 1: as fast as things heat up, they fizzle out just 315 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 1: as quickly, and by the end of July twenty fifteen, 316 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: the couple breaks up now. According to that same Effi 317 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: David that Jake Wagner signed, he and Hannah continue a 318 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: physical relationship that entire summer. Brittany told Jeff Shane what 319 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 1: she heard about Jake Wagner and Hannah's fraud relationship from 320 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: Hannah's brother, Chris Junior. Chris would always come to school 321 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 1: and talk to me about it. What would he say, 322 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 1: just that his sister is in a shitty situation. He 323 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: just treats her awfully and she really can't do anything 324 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: about it because she has a kid with him. He 325 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:49,479 Speaker 1: would just say that it's a whole bunch of bs 326 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: and that Jake would just treat her like crap, Like 327 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 1: what did you think about that? At the time, that 328 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: she needed to get out of that relationship and not 329 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:04,959 Speaker 1: be associated with that. At some point this same summer, 330 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 1: Hannah falls for another boy from piked in, Corey Holdron. 331 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 1: According to our Wagner family source, when Jake finds out 332 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 1: he's crushed, she got extremely upset when he found out 333 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: that she was seeing somebody else, and he was hurt. 334 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: He didn't understand and every time that I got a 335 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 1: chance to talk to him, he would cry. He was like, 336 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: you know, I don't understand why she's, why she's been 337 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: this way, why she you know, won't give me from 338 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 1: the chance to explain myself, Like, we could work on 339 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 1: it and it would be Goodia, we would be good 340 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: together her. I mean, it was just always Yeah, he 341 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: was very very upset about that. So and after I think, 342 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: after after being upset and after that prank of war off, 343 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 1: I think it did turn to anger. In August twenty fifteen, 344 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: Hannah Summer ends with a big shock. She's pregnant. Unlike 345 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 1: her first child, this one is unplanned. Adding to the anxiety, 346 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: she doesn't know who the father is. The potential fathers 347 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: are Charlie Gilly, Corey Holdron, and Jake Wagner. For Jake, 348 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 1: the pregnancy offers a glimmer of hope. I could just 349 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 1: tell by talking to him that when he did find 350 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: out the Handle was pregnant again that it almost was 351 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 1: like a sense of release to him, kind of. I 352 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: think he thought that that was going to bring them 353 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: back together. He asked Canna and was willing to to 354 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: be there, you know, for the birth. He was asking, 355 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,199 Speaker 1: you know, if she needed any help with anything with 356 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 1: the baby, child support. He was willing to say that 357 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: he had gotten things for the baby. At one point 358 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,479 Speaker 1: on him and Angela had went and bought a crib 359 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:56,479 Speaker 1: and just things like that for the child. Yea. And 360 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 1: this was before he had any idea that was even 361 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,959 Speaker 1: his or not. But behind the scenes, there are rumors 362 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: that the once amicable co parenting situation between Hannah and 363 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: Jake is beginning to fall apart. According to Mike Allen, 364 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 1: attorney and legal analyst for Fox nineteen and Cincinnati, things 365 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 1: soon reached a boiling point two or three weeks prior 366 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: to the murder. There's evidence that Jake Wagner and his 367 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: father tried to get Hannah road and to sign some 368 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: documents related to custody of her daughter Sophia to Jake Wagner. 369 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: But Jake's plan seems to backfire here again our Wagner 370 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,719 Speaker 1: family member. There was a custody battle, is basically what 371 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: did go to do. There was a custody battle between 372 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:40,439 Speaker 1: you know, the daughter. Hannah wasn't allowing Jake to see 373 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 1: her or any of the family to see her, and 374 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: so it kind of just got out of hand at 375 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: dot point. It just set him off to the point 376 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 1: where Jake, because he had made the comments a couple 377 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: of times, I mean, and I had tout a couple 378 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: of people's about this. I mean, had made the comments, 379 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: you know that he was going to to kill her. 380 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 1: And he told her that, you know, He's like, I'm 381 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: going to I'm going to have to kill you. Like 382 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: you're not going you're not gonna let me see the baby, 383 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 1: then you know you're not gonna have her. And I'm like, Jake, 384 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 1: you can't say those things. Please just chill out. And 385 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: of course, you know, nobody ever really thinks like, oh 386 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 1: my god, he's actually going to consider that. Right. People 387 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: say stuff like that all the time, rush it's right, like, 388 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 1: especially when they're upset as he was. I mean, he 389 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 1: was just completely out of his mind. It really really 390 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 1: upset him. On April seventeenth, twenty sixteen, in the midst 391 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: of the couple's custody dispute, Hannah gives birth to a 392 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: baby girl named Kylie. On the births to forget, she 393 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 1: doesn't list anyone as the father. Less than a week later, 394 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 1: on April twenty second, Hannah and seven members of her 395 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: family are found murdered in their homes. Thankfully, the life 396 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 1: of baby Kylie and her two cousins are spared. The 397 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,919 Speaker 1: brutal murders committed in front of these young children rattled 398 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: everyone who heard about the story, even seasoned prosecutors like 399 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: an Attorney General Mike Dwine. I guess the worst thing 400 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: I've ever seen. And when you see a mother, young 401 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 1: mother just gave worth four days before, and she's murdered 402 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 1: right beside her child. Thank god they did not harm 403 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 1: the baby. But you know, it doesn't get much worse 404 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: than that. Jeff Winkler spoke to us about trying to 405 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 1: make sense of the killer's intentions. There was a conscious 406 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 1: choice to leave every single young child alive who basically 407 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: couldn't identify them successfully. I mean, that is probably the 408 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 1: most shocking part of the whole ordeals that there was 409 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: a conscious choice by these killers to spare the children, 410 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 1: which sort of displays the coldheartedness of decisions they were making. 411 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: Going back to the timeline for a second. Following the murder, 412 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,640 Speaker 1: it was one week that passed and Jake Wagner files 413 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: for custody for both Sophia and the newborn Kylie. He 414 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 1: seems convinced that he's Kylie's father, but acknowledges that even 415 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: if he isn't, he still deserves partial custody so the 416 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 1: sisters could spend time together. Yeah, the whole Wagner family 417 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: was pretty vocal at that time about their need to 418 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 1: have custody of these kids. Angela Wagner told the press 419 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: that Sophia and Kylie quote unquote needed each other and 420 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: that when they got older enough to understand what happened 421 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: to their mother, that they will really need each other. Right, 422 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: and custody is something as complicated and it varies state 423 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: by state. So Stephanie, I know you dug into this 424 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 1: quite a bit. Yeah, it's very specific. We spoke to 425 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: a family law attorney in Ohio, and you know, yes, 426 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: if you're an unmarried woman, all parental rights go to you. 427 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: The father does not have any parental rights unless he 428 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: goes to court and files accordingly. To that point, these 429 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: papers for custody were filed exactly one week after the murders. 430 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: That's pretty quick to pull all of your custody documents 431 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 1: together in such a short amount of time. I know 432 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 1: things vary from state to state, but it's pretty unusual 433 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: to have that so tidy so quickly. And some reports 434 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,120 Speaker 1: I've indicated that that may mean that they had been 435 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: going through the process and that Jake and the Wagner 436 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: family were compiling documents in such prior to the murders. 437 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 1: So it is possible that because he didn't have any rights, 438 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 1: could that actually be reason enough to go through with 439 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: this crime. Yeah. I spoke to Mike Allen, he's a 440 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: former prosecutor and now he's a criminal defense attorney in Ohio, 441 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 1: and he told me about how Jake's quick custody filings 442 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,919 Speaker 1: look from a legal perspective, that's extremely strong evidence for 443 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: the prosecution. I mean six days, less than a week 444 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,360 Speaker 1: after the killings to go ahead and file it can 445 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,880 Speaker 1: take months, you know, maybe a year, a little bit more, 446 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: a little bit less. It's not something that goes quickly 447 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 1: at all. And I think that that is going to 448 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: be some evidence that's problematic for the defense doing it 449 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:28,439 Speaker 1: that quickly. After the murders, Jake seems determined to be 450 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 1: a father to Sophia and to Hannah's newborn baby. Throughout 451 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: Hannah's pregnancy and even after the birth, Jake Wagner publicly 452 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: says there's a good chance he's baby Kylie's father. He's 453 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 1: so confident that shortly after Kylie is born, he checks 454 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: her for a hammer index toe, a Wagner family trade. 455 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,199 Speaker 1: He still wanted to be involved and still wanted to 456 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: be there, so it was a very emotional time for him. 457 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: So he really wanted to be a part of hannah 458 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: life and Sophia's life and Kylie's baby, Kylie's life. Absolutely, absolutely, 459 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: he was still willing, I guess, to get help with 460 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: the child, help with you know, whatever Handah would need. 461 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 1: In June twenty sixteen, nearly two months after the road 462 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,120 Speaker 1: and murders, Jake Wagner, Charlie Gilly, and Corey Holdron all 463 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: take paternity tests. It's determined that Charlie Gilly is Kylie's father. 464 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: With baby Kylie going to her father Charlie Gilly, three 465 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 1: year old Sophia goes to her father, Jake Wagner, the accused, 466 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,400 Speaker 1: which is interesting when you look at the timeline of events. 467 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: In fact, on the day of the murders, Jake allegedly 468 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 1: picked up Sophia from the road and home. As a result, 469 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: Sophia's life was thankfully spared. She wasn't even there. Was 470 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: that just a huge coincidence? Was that fate or does 471 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 1: that actually point to a larger plot. Well, for example, 472 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,199 Speaker 1: if the Wagner's indeed are the killers, then on the 473 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: very day Hannah and the rest of the Rodents that 474 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: they were celebrating the expected birth of Kylie with the 475 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: baby shower, the Wagners were out shopping at Walmart for 476 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,479 Speaker 1: items that the prosecutor plans to introduce his evidence at 477 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 1: their trial. Right, that's an important trip to Walmart that 478 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 1: becomes a big piece of this case. We've seen those 479 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 1: photographs too, from the baby shower, and everybody looks so happy, 480 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: you know, it's really staggering. Let's just say that Jake's 481 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: dream was to be a family again with Hannah. He 482 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: was in love with her. He wanted to keep his 483 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 1: family together. Why kill her and guarantee that you're traumatizing 484 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: your child. It doesn't really totally make sense. Journalist Jodie 485 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: Barr analyzed the potential motive. The older these kids get, 486 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: the more they're going to look like their moms and 487 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: dads who are murdered, and you want that connection, and 488 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: these families are fighting over that through the court system. 489 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: And now on the back end of this you learned 490 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: that wait a minute, if everything is true, that these 491 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: investigators have a ledge in these charging documents. Man, this 492 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: goes much deeper, you know, as far as the custody 493 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: is involved here, if that is truly what happened. But 494 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: this is a case. I mean we're four years removed 495 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: from this now. I think about this every day in 496 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: some respect. I mean, if it's you know, you wonder 497 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: about those kids, you know, how they're doing? Now? Has 498 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: it gotten any easier to accept this? Are those kids? 499 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 1: Do they remember any part of this? It's a whole 500 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: I mean, it's generations of a family wiped out. Yeah. 501 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: Then you think about, you know, on the back end 502 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 1: of this, I mean, those kids had to go somewhere. 503 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: What do you do with those children? What are they 504 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: telling them? You know, it's just like when you when 505 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: you think about the human end of this outside of 506 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: the investigation, Man, this family, These are going to be 507 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 1: hard conversations that they have with these children. Could you 508 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: imagine explaining this to a kid when they ask where 509 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: their mom and dad are? Tell me about my mom 510 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 1: and dad? And I mean they're going to get on 511 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 1: the internet one day, They're going to google it. 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Now, see that we're already making progress, So 584 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,800 Speaker 1: let's keep going. We are Body. Start your free trial 585 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:37,720 Speaker 1: at body dot com. That's Bodi dot com. The legacy 586 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: still lingers on with Dana's friend Stefan. Quite a shame, 587 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,919 Speaker 1: you know that, Hayna, May you know, just just hide 588 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: that baby and they you know, it's Oh, it makes 589 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 1: me sick. It's really unimaginable. Yes it is. You know. 590 00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 1: No one deserves, no one deserves to die the way 591 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,240 Speaker 1: that they did. And it breaks my heart. It breaks 592 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,359 Speaker 1: my heart that Daniel'll never see her kids, you know, 593 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,840 Speaker 1: grow up, go to go to school, get married, have 594 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 1: their own children. I'm sorry, it's okay, it's okay to 595 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:25,239 Speaker 1: be emotional about it. I mean it is emotional. It's horrible, Yes, 596 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 1: it is. On the one hand, you've heard, I'm sure 597 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 1: you've heard. I've heard that like whoever did this, um 598 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:37,840 Speaker 1: you know, had like some sort of moral code that 599 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 1: they wouldn't hurt the children and they wouldn't you know, 600 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 1: harm the kids. But then on the other hand, it's like, 601 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 1: but they left all these kids without a family, and 602 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: so like that's almost worse in a way. Yes, And 603 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: I feel so smart for the children, you know that 604 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,239 Speaker 1: that will never get to know their parents, you know, 605 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 1: will never grow they'll they'll grow up without their parents. 606 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,799 Speaker 1: We know that the Wagoners are in prison awaiting trial 607 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 1: for these murders, but also that they've pled not guilty 608 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 1: to all charges. It's also important to remember that they 609 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:17,799 Speaker 1: are innocent until proven guilty. So if somebody else other 610 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 1: than the Wagoners committed this crime, who was it and why. 611 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 1: During the ensuing investigation, information started to emerge that perhaps 612 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,720 Speaker 1: there were several other theories that needed to be considered closely. 613 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,360 Speaker 1: Here's reporter James Pilcher, who followed the story closely for 614 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 1: years on The Therapist. The Rodents appeared to be, you know, 615 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:46,400 Speaker 1: salt of the earth. All American, very close knit family, 616 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,760 Speaker 1: and there were other things that led you to believe 617 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,839 Speaker 1: that all was now as it seemed. There had been 618 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 1: reports of scuples with other people in public, there had 619 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 1: been reports of run ins with law enforcement, and it 620 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 1: wasn't long before authorities made a shocking discovery that turned 621 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 1: the case on its head. Here's the Attorney General, Mike 622 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,120 Speaker 1: Dwine at a news conference a few days after the 623 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 1: murders took place. Let me go ahead, and I think 624 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,319 Speaker 1: it's okay for us to confirm that we did find 625 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:25,319 Speaker 1: marijuana in three three locations. It's a grow operations. Later 626 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 1: it was discovered that the Rodents had a pretty sizable 627 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,359 Speaker 1: crop of marijuana plants on their property. You know, there 628 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,800 Speaker 1: were indications that they were involved in some drug deals 629 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:41,719 Speaker 1: and drug trade with marijuana. That obviously feeled even more 630 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 1: speculation that these were outside operators. Possibly was as a 631 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,879 Speaker 1: drug deal gone bad, or was somebody trying to take 632 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,240 Speaker 1: over their turf. All kinds of rumors started slow after 633 00:37:52,280 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 1: that disclosure. More on at next week. Piketon Massacre is 634 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:09,400 Speaker 1: executive produced by Stephanie Lydecker and me Courtney Armstrong. 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