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Speaker 1: Welcome to Dirty Rush, The Truth about Serriti Life with

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Speaker 1: your hosts me Gia Judice.

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Speaker 2: Daisy Kent, and Jennifer Fessler.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Dirty Rush.

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Speaker 1: I am Gia Judice and I'm here today with my

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Speaker 1: co hosts Daisy Kent and Jennifer Fessler. Today we are

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Speaker 1: diving into the scandals that made national headlines. The true

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Speaker 1: crime cases, the hazing incidents, the theft, the cover ups,

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Speaker 1: and the stories that completely changed how people see Greek life.

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Speaker 3: This is Dirty Rush. Hello guys, Hi, you guys, Hey, and.

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Speaker 4: Be back together again.

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Speaker 5: On I know, right, it's been a while. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: this is not the most fun topic.

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Speaker 6: I have to say, yeah right, But unfortunately this is

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Speaker 6: honestly a lot of these instances are kind of normal.

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Speaker 5: I don't remember it when I was. I mean I

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Speaker 5: was in college in nineteen eighty six. So remember I

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Speaker 5: had this one friend, he was like a friend from

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Speaker 5: camp who was also at UT and he got arrested

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Speaker 5: for running this gambling ring and a lot of like

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Speaker 5: the guys I knew back then, they were all gambling

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Speaker 5: and there was like a lot of drugs.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of.

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Speaker 5: Like what was it like ecstasy was huge. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 5: I don't remember. I don't know when you guys these

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Speaker 5: these the ones that we're talking about today were we're

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Speaker 5: talking about like murder and like, you know, even more

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Speaker 5: scary cases.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, the first one, which is the most recent,

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Speaker 1: there was a disturbing video that surfaced from hazing that

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Speaker 1: was happening at the University of Iowa.

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Speaker 3: Basically, I think a fire.

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Speaker 1: Alarm of some sort went off and the fire department

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Speaker 1: basically found fifty six mail pledges blindfolded in the basement

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Speaker 1: with mustard ketchup all over them, and they basically wanted

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Speaker 1: to know who was responsible for this. Obviously, the pledges,

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Speaker 1: if I had to think back to like when I

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Speaker 1: was in my freshman year and when my guy friends

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Speaker 1: I guess they were kind of just informing the fire

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Speaker 1: actually arrested twenty one year old Joseph Gaya, but the

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Speaker 1: charges were eventually dropped. So I think, honestly, when it

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Speaker 1: comes to these situations, especially when it comes to fraternity hazing, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is like typical, Like the guys.

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Speaker 3: Are in the basement.

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Speaker 1: They are like put through like the most horrible things

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Speaker 1: when it's but it's like supposed to be like torture.

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Speaker 1: It honestly kind of reminded me of Special Forces guys.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie like that. It was like the

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Speaker 1: last scene of Special Forces where it was interrogation, and

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Speaker 1: this is kind of like the last thing that the

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Speaker 1: pledges have to do until they're initiated.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we were blindfolded. We had this black.

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Speaker 1: Sheet over our faces, and we had to listen to

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Speaker 1: every noise you could think of, like babies crying, nails

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Speaker 1: on a chalkboard, pigs getting slaughtered, like you name it.

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Speaker 1: We were listening to that for twelve hours. So I

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Speaker 1: feel like it almost was like what these guys go

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Speaker 1: twelve hours?

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Speaker 4: It was crazy hours.

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Speaker 3: Twelve hours straight, it was.

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Speaker 1: And then you know when they would pull us out,

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Speaker 1: they would torture us even more by like dunking our

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Speaker 1: heads into cold plunges, like yeah, roll around in the dirt.

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Speaker 3: Like So as.

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Speaker 1: Much as like obviously you watch this and you're like

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Speaker 1: this is torture, it essentially is, but I guess it's

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Speaker 1: to the fraternity in like a weird, screwed up way,

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Speaker 1: but when it really.

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Speaker 3: Got it's messy.

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Speaker 1: I feel like, is when there's alcohol involved, like Okay,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's hard probably now to you know,

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Speaker 5: I think there's such tight rules and the universities are

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Speaker 5: sure stuff happening, not just like deaths and assaults, that

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Speaker 5: it's a hard I think it's probably a hard line, like.

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Speaker 2: Crossing that line.

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Speaker 5: It gets tricky when there's so much alcohol and yeah,

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Speaker 5: and all of a sudden it's not funny anymore.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, And there has been like so many things I

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Speaker 7: I know at the school I went to, like Greek

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Speaker 7: life is kind of becoming less and less.

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Speaker 5: So funny when Antonia Gorga, your cousin Gia obviously, but

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Speaker 5: she was applying to Delaware, and I remember we had

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Speaker 5: like this scene here at my house. I don't think

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Speaker 5: it ever aired, but her and my daughter Rachel, she

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Speaker 5: freaked out about the whole like pledging and the hazing,

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Speaker 5: and so Rachel for her sorority, she's like, there's absolutely

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Speaker 5: none of that. There's we don't they don't do that

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Speaker 5: at all. I don't know in terms of you guys.

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Speaker 5: For me, it was like funny, silly things, but there

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Speaker 5: was never anything scary at least, you know, sorority wise,

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Speaker 5: was there for you guys.

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Speaker 3: No, never really scary.

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Speaker 1: I mean it was like big little night where you know,

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Speaker 3: Is supposed to get you like a little.

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Speaker 1: Too drunk, but it's never to the point where like

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Speaker 1: you're supposed to sleep at your BIG's house afterwards, and

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Speaker 3: But it was also like pretty playful.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't like you had to like sit on a

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Speaker 1: fat jiggle or any of those crazy stories that I've heard. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I feel like for sororities they are a lot

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Speaker 1: more not as intense, but for fraternities, they really do have.

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Speaker 4: Put them through the wringer. Yeah. I agree with that

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Speaker 1: But then in result this fraternity in Iowa, the Office

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Speaker 1: of Student Accountability was involved and now the fraternity is

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Speaker 1: suspended until twenty twenty nine. Yeah, so now you know

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Speaker 1: when an incident happens like that on campus, that's what

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Speaker 1: So then if the cops do come to your fraternity house,

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Speaker 3: Renting the house.

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Speaker 1: It's not up to the school to help you get

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Speaker 2: I remember, well, my son was what is it called risk.

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Speaker 4: Something like he had to say risk management.

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Speaker 5: He was like one of the risk management people SPRAT.

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Speaker 5: So he used to have to sit like in front

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Speaker 2: And I was like, so he's like, why.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure no one got you know, lost their Yeah.

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Speaker 5: These stories are pretty intense, you guys. So here's one

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Speaker 5: from News Nation. November seven, twenty twenty five, A masked

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Speaker 5: man broke into UC Berkeley sorority house. Forty five year

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Speaker 5: old man was arrested for breaking into a UC Berkeley

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Speaker 5: sorority house Alpha coy Omega during the early morning hours

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Speaker 5: of November first, stealing food and women's underwear, and watching

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Speaker 5: women's shower. Police were called to a south campus sorority

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Speaker 5: house at the twenty three hundred block of Warring Street

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Speaker 5: after an unknown man was spotted inside a sorority girls

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Speaker 5: This is not obviously a story about hazing, but you

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Speaker 5: just hear like the story, Yeah, trying that Brian Coberg,

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Speaker 5: University of Idaho. Those poor those three girls in one boy.

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Speaker 7: I remember like seeing the thing going and it was

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Speaker 7: at the when they were like sentencing him.

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Speaker 4: I remember seeing that go like viral.

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Speaker 2: Awful.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's terror.

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Speaker 1: I mean even at Rutgers, a lot of instances where

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Speaker 1: it's girls that are just in sororities or even just

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Speaker 1: random houses that are off campus and you get you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, and this is very typical, which I don't

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Speaker 1: know why this happens, but it's just where colleges are.

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Speaker 3: Built, but they are a lot of the times in

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Speaker 1: So Wrackers is a big ten school, but it's in

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Speaker 1: New Brunswick, New Jersey. It's not the best area of

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Speaker 3: It's like it's it's so scary.

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Speaker 5: Rachel's Yeah, Rachel was in an apartment and they broke

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Speaker 1: A University of Delaware. It's not the best area around

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Speaker 7: Yeah, But honestly, a good thing that they caught this

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Speaker 7: guy like before any like obviously like what he was

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Speaker 5: So detectives with the Department Sex Crime Unit Security footage

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Speaker 5: and additional evidence to identify the suspect as Courtney. Alford

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Speaker 5: and officers searched Alfred's Dublin home following the arrest and

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Speaker 5: found parts to an assault rifle, high capacity magazines, and

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Speaker 5: Alfred with burglary, prowling, peeking, invading privacy, fell in in

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Speaker 5: possession of a gun, fell in possession of ammo, and

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Speaker 5: several counts of unlawful entry. Imagine how terrifying you guys.

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Speaker 5: This is just twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: And this clearly just shows, like I know, there's certain

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Speaker 1: situations where it's like like there was an intent behind this,

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Speaker 1: Like he clearly like given what was found in his home,

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Speaker 1: there could have been like this, there could have been

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Speaker 1: a way more worse of an outcome than what. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: one then just like lurking around. He was probably lurking

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Speaker 4: Were, which is terrifying.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Do you guys have because we had like we

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Speaker 5: definitely had a uh, like an intercom, like you would

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Speaker 5: roll up to the to my storty house and a

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Speaker 5: FI house and you would push a button to be

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Speaker 5: let in. But do you guys have any more security?

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Speaker 5: We had like key cards, like a fob.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, ours was like our fingerprint actually to get in

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Speaker 7: the house. And we had like cameras throughout the house.

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Speaker 7: None we're like in the bathrooms or anything, but there

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Speaker 7: were some like in the hallways and stuff. Not like

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Speaker 7: everyone could see them, I believe just like our house

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Speaker 7: mom had access to them or something, but we had

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Speaker 7: them there.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's great.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this next one, Daisy, this one will freaked me out.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I think I remember this happening. Actually.

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Speaker 7: I think it was like when I went to college

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Speaker 7: or like the year before. So this is at Penn State,

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Speaker 7: I think it was like he fell down the steps, right,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, who cares if the if the fraternity is suspended,

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Speaker 5: I mean, this is the stuff you guys like just

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Speaker 5: Can I have another? Is this all going right over

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and then it says the prosecutors and the Piazza

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's just it's so horrible. Do you guys

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Speaker 5: So here's another one, another hazing one. So The Independent

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Speaker 2: This was just a rush party.

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Speaker 1: The police are running into the backyard right now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I started watching it too, where they like it looked

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Speaker 7: like someone was like chasing someone at.

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Speaker 1: The end, like they're running and they're they're probably chasing

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Speaker 1: one of the fraternity members.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sickening.

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Speaker 4: You guys so crazy.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I am surprised that Greek life has survived a long time.

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 3: Honestly.

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Speaker 1: That is you know, eighteen year old student. So he

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Speaker 1: was clearly a freshman.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, clutching, he was just I mean rushing, he was

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Speaker 2: just rushing.

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Speaker 7: It's sad too, because like freshman year, like everyone's just

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Speaker 7: trying to like figure it out and stuff, and like

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Speaker 7: as sad as it is, I feel like freshman year

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Speaker 7: is easier to like give into like peer pressure and

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Speaker 7: then want to like do these things to try to

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Speaker 7: fit in. And then you have these like upper classmen

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Speaker 7: that are like telling you to do these things, and

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Speaker 7: it's just so sad.

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Speaker 1: It's it's also just so hard when you're when you're

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Speaker 1: pledging and you're trying to get into the fraturity that

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Speaker 1: you want and you're so young. Yeah, when we were

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Speaker 1: eighteen years old, I mean even sometimes now we get

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Speaker 1: carried away probably when we have our drunk nights and

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Speaker 1: drink too much. Obviously not to the point of like

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Speaker 1: you know, like to what they were doing. But imagine

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Speaker 1: being eighteen and you're trying to get into this fraternity

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Speaker 1: and you're trying to fit in at college and do

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Speaker 1: all the right things. You're gonna just drink and think

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Speaker 1: that this is the right thing to do to get

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Speaker 1: in to the frat, Like.

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Speaker 5: You have to have a lot of maturity. That's why

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Speaker 5: I don't know, my kids didn't listen. I always wanted

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Speaker 5: I wanted them to take a gap year before college

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Speaker 5: because I was like, I just I don't know, and

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Speaker 5: I always felt like, did you have to have your

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Speaker 5: together like it's you know, I think so many kids

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Speaker 5: they feel so let loose in college, right, And you're right, Gia, like,

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Speaker 5: you know, especially like you're feeling insecure at a party.

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Speaker 2: What helps?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, booze, right, like, let's get a little drunker. Let's

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Speaker 5: get a little drunker and I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Very very scary. Yeah, all right, guys.

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