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Speaker 1: new book, Race Sports and Education, Improving Opportunities and Outcomes
Speaker 1: of Blackmail College Athletes. Please welcome to Money Making Conversations,
Speaker 1: Dr John Singer, thank you for having me. I really
Speaker 1: appreciate this opportunity to have this conversation. Well, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you after reading the book, are are you know? Because
Speaker 1: you know Dr Harry Everett's in the book. We were
Speaker 1: talking to a referencing the book. I'm saying is the
Speaker 1: book called Race Sports and Education. He this book is
Speaker 1: about black mail caused athletes, and he suggested that you
Speaker 1: should include the female experience of the black female college athlete.
Speaker 1: And your reasoning for just going male was why? Well,
Speaker 1: I think for me being that this was my first
Speaker 1: foray into an authored book. It was personal for me.
Speaker 1: I mean as a black male myself who had hoop
Speaker 1: dreams and aspirations as well a little boy growing up
Speaker 1: in Betton Harbor, Michigan, and as someone who has worked
Speaker 1: more closely with this particular population into my college years
Speaker 1: and graduate studies and now as a faculty member. It
Speaker 1: was just important for me to write about what I
Speaker 1: knew and what I was most passionate about at this
Speaker 1: moment my my career. So that's kind of why I
Speaker 1: went against the sage wisdom and advice of Dr Edwards
Speaker 1: and this particular project. I had this stick with what
Speaker 1: what was my passion? But you know, you you you
Speaker 1: know he is the like, let's say, the the the
Speaker 1: messiah of this particular field of study. You know, when
Speaker 1: you think about him at the forefront of politics and
Speaker 1: and black studies and especially from an athletic standpoint, and
Speaker 1: whenever you look at the espn is you would always
Speaker 1: they would always hunt him down. What does what does
Speaker 1: Dr Harry Ewoods has to say? What is he speaking about?
Speaker 1: And when you look at the footage of him from
Speaker 1: the sixties, he looks the same, He's just as grey
Speaker 1: in his in his mustache and his goatee. But he's
Speaker 1: still brilliant. What what when when we're gonna get to
Speaker 1: your book? But a person like that, what impact does
Speaker 1: he have on a person like you? Yeah? So I
Speaker 1: remember seeing him like an interview clips when I was
Speaker 1: an undergrad at Michigan State, and I just found myself
Speaker 1: fascinated with him. I was like, man, he comes out
Speaker 1: of that tradition of the civil rights movement, mouth comexus
Speaker 1: and you know, the Black Canthers. But he tied his
Speaker 1: activism to the context of sport, which really kind of
Speaker 1: got my attention as a young you know, in my
Speaker 1: late teens, early twenties, going through undergrad and so it's
Speaker 1: amazing that, you know, twenty plus years later, not only
Speaker 1: am I interacting with him, but he's endorsing my books.
Speaker 1: So he's certainly planning a seed in me. I would
Speaker 1: say that has started to germinate at this moment in
Speaker 1: my my journey. Now this book. Who are you trying
Speaker 1: to reach with this book as far as readers are concerned? Right,
Speaker 1: So there's a couple of different audiences. Um first and
Speaker 1: foremost the athletes themselves, and this can include athletes behind
Speaker 1: this Black Males, because I think there's a message in
Speaker 1: this book if you really pay attention to the nuances
Speaker 1: and the narratives of the black males that I do
Speaker 1: feature in the book, there's something in there, I think
Speaker 1: for all athletes who are traveling, you know, from high
Speaker 1: school into college sports. But more specifically, I really want
Speaker 1: to reach the decision makers, those individuals who are setting
Speaker 1: policies at the NT double A and member institution level,
Speaker 1: those who are the practitioners working more directly day to
Speaker 1: day with these athletes, whether it's academic support for athletics
Speaker 1: or faculty on these university campuses. So I'm really looking
Speaker 1: to read and for that matter, people in secondary educations
Speaker 1: who are responsible for preparing these athletes for higher education,
Speaker 1: so that those are my my primary audiences. Um and
Speaker 1: then of course to lay audience people who are just
Speaker 1: interested in in the topic and sport and education will
Speaker 1: also find I think some value in this book. Well,
Speaker 1: they're what I call industry decision makers influencers. People can
Speaker 1: shape the way people think, the decisions they can make
Speaker 1: about their future or how they're living currently. And so
Speaker 1: the book I found fascinating reading, especially We're gonna we
Speaker 1: don't get the chapters two and three in a minute,
Speaker 1: But I want to talk about the Black Barbershop. You know,
Speaker 1: I did a show on MTV called The Barbershop, and
Speaker 1: it was about entertainment. And one of the things about
Speaker 1: the Black Barbershop is that you know, you're gonna get
Speaker 1: your share of sports, you're gonna get your share of politics,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna get your share of entertainment. What was
Speaker 1: your take on the Black Barbershop because just the fun part,
Speaker 1: you know, of our conversation, and I enjoyed the reading
Speaker 1: of the book, but when you when you get into
Speaker 1: that barbershop, it's a different space there, man oh man.
Speaker 1: You know, and my good friend and brother, Richard Milner
Speaker 1: actually wrote the series forward for the book, and Eve
Speaker 1: he talked about the Black Barbershop and the beauty shop
Speaker 1: and how his observations in that space really speak to
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of theorizing. I know, we
Speaker 1: as academics of scholars, we you know, we pride us
Speaker 1: sales and you know, engaging with theory that makes sense
Speaker 1: of the world. But in the Black Barbershop, that's exactly
Speaker 1: what you get. It's not in the formal sense, but
Speaker 1: certainly you have people with keen insights into these issues.
Speaker 1: So the black barbershop, even my current barber um, you know,
Speaker 1: I know something about sport, you know, and and the
Speaker 1: patrons sitting around waiting for their haircut. You started talking
Speaker 1: about sport boy. You see a different type of type
Speaker 1: in it, and and whatnot in that space. So absolutely,
Speaker 1: and I was glad that that brother rich Dr Brother
Speaker 1: Richard Milner mused that metaphor to introduce my book in
Speaker 1: his in his Racing Education series for Hybrid Education Prep. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, it's really funny, you know, because the movie
Speaker 1: that the Ice Q made, and of course Cedric the
Speaker 1: entertained and started the very first barbershop was the closest
Speaker 1: version of the very first one. And all those are good,
Speaker 1: but the very first one's the closest version of walking
Speaker 1: into a typical barbershop, you know, opinionated. You always got
Speaker 1: somebody who's bigger than life in there, and you always
Speaker 1: have people who sit around and putting information. You have
Speaker 1: young generations because people women were bringing their young kids,
Speaker 1: or the fathers are bringing their kids for their first haircuts,
Speaker 1: and you have older generation people sitting in there, and
Speaker 1: it was. So it allows you to think about so
Speaker 1: many different layers of experiences that you can get just
Speaker 1: by walking in there. And it's all tied to sports,
Speaker 1: and sports is such a it crosses racial lines, but
Speaker 1: it is racial, you know, whether it's the black quarterback
Speaker 1: situation of the you know, I was watching ESPN last night.
Speaker 1: They did this special call the Year the Black Quarterback.
Speaker 1: You know, when you talk about Russell Wilson, you're talking
Speaker 1: about Patrick Mahomes, you're talking about Lamar Jackson, who who's
Speaker 1: unanimous m v P. And here was a guy who
Speaker 1: was the fifth quarterback drafted in the year he was drafted,
Speaker 1: and so because people thought he should be actually trying
Speaker 1: out for to be a ride receiver and not be
Speaker 1: trying to try not to be a quarterback. And so
Speaker 1: you know, these these individuals who are changing the game.
Speaker 1: How does that affect your book? Yeah, that's interesting. One
Speaker 1: of the it was in chapter two the case study
Speaker 1: I did, one of the athletes featured in that case
Speaker 1: study talking about that, how you know, even as college coach,
Speaker 1: they were bringing a white quarterback in the black quarterback monnel,
Speaker 1: that black quarterback with the label of athletes. You know,
Speaker 1: when clearly, from the perspective of this young man that
Speaker 1: I feature in chapter two, he was the best quarterback
Speaker 1: and best athlete on the team and he didn't understand
Speaker 1: why coaches want to limit his access to that quarterback
Speaker 1: leadership decision making positions. So certainly the athletes that I've
Speaker 1: engaged within my research recognized the very point that you're making. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, I think that a book like yours has
Speaker 1: to be written and has to be you know, we
Speaker 1: can't all have we have to have factual information about
Speaker 1: what is really going on out there. And uh, when
Speaker 1: I was reading your book and like see you you
Speaker 1: you you followed three characters because you didn't really give
Speaker 1: details on exactly who they were, exactly what college they
Speaker 1: played on, exactly what protein they played on. But you
Speaker 1: shared their position in college, you share their position when
Speaker 1: they left college. And the three characters played a major
Speaker 1: role in how each transition away from the sport based
Speaker 1: on how the sport treated them. And you know, and
Speaker 1: and it's really important that people understand that sports is
Speaker 1: such a you know, everybody wants to be the next
Speaker 1: you know, Russell Wilson, or the next you know Jair
Speaker 1: Rice or the next. But then you have this this
Speaker 1: this collegiate force or this college force out there, and
Speaker 1: you said the h w c U, and I really
Speaker 1: versus the HBCU, because those are two options out there,
Speaker 1: but they are perceived options for success. When I say
Speaker 1: h w c U, we're talking about historical white college
Speaker 1: and universities and you have HBCU historical historical college and university.
Speaker 1: Explain those dynamics for us, my listeners. Yeah. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: if you really think about prior to the late nineteen
Speaker 1: sixties and early nineteen seventies, that's where the black talent
Speaker 1: really emerged. You talking about Jerry Rice, I mean he
Speaker 1: was He's a product of an hbc and many of
Speaker 1: the great Prior to the late sixties early seventies, when
Speaker 1: Harry I was writing about this stuff, when he first
Speaker 1: began writing about this stuff, all the black talent was there.
Speaker 1: But once these historically white institutions began to realize there
Speaker 1: was golden in their heels, as they say, that's when
Speaker 1: they started cherry picking the best and the brightest. Historian
Speaker 1: Gerald Eally talked about it was. HBO did a documentary
Speaker 1: in the late nineties called The Journey of African American athletes.
Speaker 1: He talked about this mass uh influx of black athletes
Speaker 1: into these historical institutions in the early seventies. And the
Speaker 1: real key moment was in nineteen seventy three they talked
Speaker 1: about in this documentary when Sam damn Cunningham, that's right,
Speaker 1: came down to Alabama, Alabama. He went down and just
Speaker 1: ran all over Paul bear Bryant's all white Alabama squad.
Speaker 1: You had the Alabama fans and the stands of at
Speaker 1: the late great Eddie Robinson said talking about get us one,
Speaker 1: get us one, talking about a black athlete, you know,
Speaker 1: to the dominating. The next year, Alabama certainly brought in
Speaker 1: Wilbert Jackson absolutely and then just let everybody know about
Speaker 1: that game. USC dominant, West Coast College, University of Southern
Speaker 1: California and Sam Bam Cunningham. When you give him a vault,
Speaker 1: he'd leap over the line. He wouldn't run through the
Speaker 1: last he'd leap over it, and so and so so
Speaker 1: it was like there was nothing we've ever seen in
Speaker 1: college football. And to do it against you know, the
Speaker 1: vauntage or the legendary you know Bear Bryan team was
Speaker 1: was was incredible. And also you know the Nebraska team
Speaker 1: led by Johnny Rogers, and uh, those teams changed the
Speaker 1: way people saw black athletes. And then when Jimmy Johnson
Speaker 1: went down to Miami and found that the southern version,
Speaker 1: the southern tip of Florida where all the black athletes
Speaker 1: that nobody wanted to recruit, that had all the speed,
Speaker 1: that's really started changing the face. But then they called
Speaker 1: the athletes that he recruited convicts. M hm. They called
Speaker 1: the athletes that know that they recruited Catholics and so
Speaker 1: so they they named them. So. So when I started
Speaker 1: reading your book, you know, it just started bringing back memories, doctor,
Speaker 1: you know, so so you know you I'm one of
Speaker 1: those industry decision makersy. This is impromptu information you've given
Speaker 1: me that I'm just I'm just expounding. And just then
Speaker 1: you know how important that your your book is and
Speaker 1: needs to be be be studied but also served because
Speaker 1: sociology changed my life. We're gonna be back in the
Speaker 1: minute in our next break, because you got me fired up, doctor,
Speaker 1: You got me fired up. Man. This book is a
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Speaker 1: John Singer. He has a book called Race, Sports and
Speaker 1: Education and Improving Opportunities and Outcomes for Black Mail College Athletes.
Speaker 1: My show is about entertainment. My show is about entrepreneurship. Um.
Speaker 1: I feel it's the topic that you're talking about. It's
Speaker 1: about money. It's about how the uh the institution we
Speaker 1: call the n C double a uh. Some people call
Speaker 1: it a money making institutions, and people have called the plantation.
Speaker 1: Some people have called it an environment. But I feel that, yes,
Speaker 1: you can say that, but it also impacts white students
Speaker 1: as well, white student athletes as well. And so, but
Speaker 1: we're talking about the black student athletes. And so you
Speaker 1: track three different talents in your book. Why did you
Speaker 1: choose these three individuals and why were they stores so
Speaker 1: unique to your book? Well? Interesting? Right, So that particularly
Speaker 1: you're talking about chapter two in the book is really
Speaker 1: is um, that chapter is based on my dissertation work. Um.
Speaker 1: And one of the reasons I don't you kind of
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier in our conversation that I don't get specifically
Speaker 1: about the institution. That's because of h RB protocol universities
Speaker 1: where you have to protect the confidentiality of your research participants.
Speaker 1: But this research that I feature of these three black males,
Speaker 1: One reason I chose in the particulars because they expressed
Speaker 1: an interest in the topics. So I had a connection
Speaker 1: with one of the brothers who was an academic counselor
Speaker 1: in the athletic department, and he told these particular athletes
Speaker 1: about my, my, my dissertation research, and and they were
Speaker 1: very interested in and sharing their story and their voices
Speaker 1: and helping to create knowledge around the topics. So that's
Speaker 1: kind of why those particular individuals making into the book,
Speaker 1: because they were willing participants and wanted to share this
Speaker 1: critical conversation that we had that formed the basis of
Speaker 1: chapter two. All three in play football college football. Author
Speaker 1: of them played football, and they were all high levels recruits,
Speaker 1: you know they were. They were high level bluechip athletes
Speaker 1: coming out of high school, and they all at some
Speaker 1: point in time had a step in the NFL beyond
Speaker 1: their their college days. They were that talented um on
Speaker 1: the field to play to the point where they all
Speaker 1: got a shot, with varying degrees of success at the
Speaker 1: NFL level, But I love the fact that they all
Speaker 1: arrived in different ways. One was a free agent, one
Speaker 1: was drafted in the later rounds, and one was drafted
Speaker 1: in the early rounds. And we all know that that's
Speaker 1: a salary tied to that. And two of them became
Speaker 1: are in the fields of in the are in the
Speaker 1: field of acting, and one in the field of sales,
Speaker 1: and so which which which is really interesting because in
Speaker 1: my I'm running into more and more athletes of the
Speaker 1: gentleman who wanted an oscar. Matthew Cherry was a former
Speaker 1: professional football player, and so so I'm running into more
Speaker 1: and more athletes and I and I really the reason
Speaker 1: the reason I'm really excited about communicating with you because
Speaker 1: I'm really involved in a lot of HBCU activity, trying
Speaker 1: to really build a brand of their awareness of what
Speaker 1: HBCUs are bringing to the table not only in athletics
Speaker 1: but academics, but also your book is about branding and
Speaker 1: marketing too, because it's about perception because that we started.
Speaker 1: Because that's why a lot of kids go to h uh,
Speaker 1: historical White college university because of the fact that it's
Speaker 1: perception that I can get drafted or I get a
Speaker 1: better opportunity to uh, to be seen on TV. That's
Speaker 1: important to these young people today as it is in
Speaker 1: the past. Correct. Oh, yeah, absolutely, And that conversation has
Speaker 1: come up in mind not only my formal resource with
Speaker 1: black male athletes, but also when I was academic advisor
Speaker 1: and mentor of a summer Bridge program. A lot of
Speaker 1: this struggle with the decision to say, Hey, I want
Speaker 1: to consider HBCU, but I know where I'm at in
Speaker 1: my career, where we're at in society. It behoo's me
Speaker 1: to go to the historically white college because of the
Speaker 1: media visibility, the platform, the resources to get me to
Speaker 1: the next level. So I've had many conversations with black
Speaker 1: male athletes over the years about that, you know, decision
Speaker 1: to consider HBCUs, but to look at the platform and
Speaker 1: the resources that these historical hit cousy and the even
Speaker 1: though it's been proven that if you do have the talent,
Speaker 1: you know, Steve McNair HBCU graduate at quarterback Tennessee Titans, UH,
Speaker 1: Doug Williams, of course, Gramlin UM Jared Rice Mississippi Valley State,
Speaker 1: I believed. And then also recently the Houston Texans drafted
Speaker 1: a young man out of a police South Carolina State
Speaker 1: officive tackle UH from our HBCU school. So and then
Speaker 1: also Darre's Leonard last year he was a HBCU grad
Speaker 1: and made the Pro Bowl. So we're starting to see.
Speaker 1: And also I know that the NFL is now holding
Speaker 1: a separate HBCU college combine. So so it's a lot
Speaker 1: of things that are happening. They may cause that shift,
Speaker 1: may not be dramatically, but if if that shift started
Speaker 1: to happen, what would that do in the in the
Speaker 1: book that you've written, would it would it be Would
Speaker 1: it be a good thing if that shift started happening
Speaker 1: towards h or the hbc you're starting to see more
Speaker 1: quality talent to attend or just as quote last, that's
Speaker 1: a very interesting question because I talked a little bit
Speaker 1: about that in the conclusion of my book right where
Speaker 1: that's a consideration that we have to think about. I
Speaker 1: think about my dear sister Jamal Hill, who is a
Speaker 1: fellow Michigan State's partner. We were there in nineties at
Speaker 1: the same time she talks about that, how now is
Speaker 1: the time for us to seriously consider that. It's interesting.
Speaker 1: I'm this Thursday, February thirteenth, I'm giving a talk about
Speaker 1: my book at Prairieview, a and m um Fred Bonner
Speaker 1: has what he called the Building on Resilience lecture series,
Speaker 1: and he asked me to come and talk about my
Speaker 1: book and you know, implications it has for college sports
Speaker 1: widely speaking, and so I think it's time to have
Speaker 1: that conversation. And in light of what herya was referred
Speaker 1: to as the fourth waves of athlete activism, where athletes
Speaker 1: are now corporates in their own rights, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: but the social media media platform, these athletes are being
Speaker 1: more empowered to to control their own you know, brand
Speaker 1: and destiny. So I think it's a serious conversation that
Speaker 1: we can't ignore this dismissed as I will never be
Speaker 1: possible because the aller of h h W c US
Speaker 1: is just too powerful. I think that I don't know,
Speaker 1: the conversation is right and to be had, well, it's
Speaker 1: right to be had, but will it be you know, achieved?
Speaker 1: And I'm not look out. Look, I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: shut down by school, the University of Houston. I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to let individuals know there are options, and sometimes
Speaker 1: special people don't look at HBCU as an option. And
Speaker 1: I'm just letting people know that if you're talented and
Speaker 1: you want to be and you do the right things
Speaker 1: in life, then guess what you can participate in the sport,
Speaker 1: especially in football. Now that's not showing up in baseball,
Speaker 1: that's not showing up in basketball like that, but in
Speaker 1: football has proven that if you got the talent, they
Speaker 1: find you and you can also and that's that's very true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I'll give you an example. So I referee high
Speaker 1: school and college basketball here in Texas when I'm not
Speaker 1: doing my university work. And one of my fellow co
Speaker 1: officials has a son who is you know, finger this
Speaker 1: year being recruited and I don't know if he signed
Speaker 1: on signing day February five, but he told me after
Speaker 1: his son read my book, he is seriously now considering
Speaker 1: going to an HPC. You have to read my book.
Speaker 1: I mean that really did my heart good when I
Speaker 1: got that text message from him saying that, you know,
Speaker 1: because he's considering, you know, some of the some of
Speaker 1: the major Division one schools here in the state of Texas.
Speaker 1: But now you know, the Texas southerns and the prairie
Speaker 1: views are in the conversation for this young man and
Speaker 1: his family. So that that really was red because you
Speaker 1: do don't care who are you at. Okay, let's let's
Speaker 1: look at the college world is out there. You know,
Speaker 1: if you if you're in the traditional h uh uh,
Speaker 1: historical right collegist Okay, that means that even there that
Speaker 1: it's you have the Power five, the Power five conferences,
Speaker 1: and then like I go to University Houston, it's not
Speaker 1: a Power five conference. You know, it's a lesser conference.
Speaker 1: So even in that world, there's divisions, there's saying you're better,
Speaker 1: you can you can hang out down there, and you
Speaker 1: have the Division two, you have Division one playoff systems,
Speaker 1: and then you have HBCUs. So no matter where you go,
Speaker 1: they're gonna be opportunities for you. And you could be
Speaker 1: perceived like Mrs ed Oliver Oliver when he signed with
Speaker 1: the University of Houston and he's and they said, why
Speaker 1: that's not a poalified school. He would never make it
Speaker 1: guess what he winded up in the number nine picking
Speaker 1: the draft because his talent is still he still gave
Speaker 1: a effort, he still shined. And so I'm just letting
Speaker 1: everybody know when I read your book, not only way
Speaker 1: you supplying with me with information, but you also will
Speaker 1: affirming what I believe. If you if you make the
Speaker 1: right effort, if you put yourself in the right support system,
Speaker 1: and then don't let people swear you with negativity, and
Speaker 1: you can follow your dreams no matter where it leads you.
Speaker 1: That's what the basis of your book is correct, and
Speaker 1: that's right. And these athletes nowadays, they want to get
Speaker 1: on the field or the court. They want to have
Speaker 1: opportunities at play and and and maybe it's a situation
Speaker 1: where they realized, hey, let me, let me come on
Speaker 1: home one of my doctors and one of my doctors
Speaker 1: and not going to study where you know, we looked
Speaker 1: at a young man. He was a five star recruit
Speaker 1: coming out of high school who started at Alabama but
Speaker 1: eventually ended up at at Winston Salem State University, and
Speaker 1: we we we framed that we didn't We presented at
Speaker 1: a conference and we framed it redefining the conveyor belt,
Speaker 1: you know, William Roden's turn, and how these athletes are
Speaker 1: recruited from their communities from early age on through you know,
Speaker 1: high school into college and how this particularly young man
Speaker 1: redefined the conveyor belt, and and looking at his story
Speaker 1: and talking about how he you know, ended up at
Speaker 1: home at the end of the day when he was
Speaker 1: in there that space car Winston Salem State University, even
Speaker 1: though there wasn't the accolade the past to it that
Speaker 1: in Alabama provides at the end of the day as
Speaker 1: a man, he found that landing spot, that where he
Speaker 1: finished his career to be, you know, after him going comfortable.
Speaker 1: So it's pretty comfortable and relatable because that's what it's
Speaker 1: all about, you know, in the end, man, if you're
Speaker 1: trying to pursue your dreams, and I say, who I'm
Speaker 1: speaking to is Dr John Singer Um. His book is
Speaker 1: about it's about letting people know that as a black athlete,
Speaker 1: your experience is different and it should be acknowledged. Because
Speaker 1: you talk about more part college profectors, you talk about tutors,
Speaker 1: you talk about mentors because you know, you you're thrown
Speaker 1: into a world that's really not trying to adjust for you.
Speaker 1: And that's really what can happen to students. And so
Speaker 1: that's all I'm saying is that sure you can be recruited,
Speaker 1: sure you can go to the school, but it's it
Speaker 1: is it accepting who you are as a person, where
Speaker 1: you know as much smaller environment they can allow you
Speaker 1: to grow as a person, because that's all you want.
Speaker 1: When you go to college. You won't grow. You want
Speaker 1: an opportunity to walk away and be a successful person
Speaker 1: in a field that is not athletically driven. And that's
Speaker 1: what the three people that you chose and which I
Speaker 1: liked because you know, one he left he was a
Speaker 1: free agent. You know, he had a family, but he
Speaker 1: still went to l A and guess what, he's a
Speaker 1: he's working as a successful actor. And then one he
Speaker 1: was a he's a late round draft pick, but he
Speaker 1: saved his money, played several years in the NFL. And
Speaker 1: then he doesn't have a wife or a kid, so
Speaker 1: but he saved his money. So he's out there, but
Speaker 1: he's not he's not effectively pursuing his career, like he
Speaker 1: wan't at the pace that he want, but at least
Speaker 1: he's doing it. And then the other one it's a salesman.
Speaker 1: He's out there using this academic training, using this the
Speaker 1: things that he learned by going to the school, and
Speaker 1: allowing him to live a successful life. But that's all
Speaker 1: you want from a college, from college education, that's all
Speaker 1: the opportunity you want. College, This college owe you anything.
Speaker 1: Dr Well, you know, one of the things that I
Speaker 1: talked about this in the book, area was saying is
Speaker 1: that at the end of the day, education is an
Speaker 1: activist pursuit, right, And if you don't as an individual,
Speaker 1: even though there's issues that we can talk about with
Speaker 1: the system and the structure, if you know, as an individual,
Speaker 1: don't prioritize that, that's on you. So I think, you know,
Speaker 1: that's one of the messages I do want people to
Speaker 1: take from the book as well that I'm very as
Speaker 1: Herod was said in his endorsement on book, I'm very
Speaker 1: hard on the system and my critique of it, but
Speaker 1: I'm also uh cognizant of the fact that the individual
Speaker 1: has to step up and make it their education a
Speaker 1: priority and or activists pursuit. So, in other words, if
Speaker 1: somebody gives you an opportunity, take advantage of it. Because
Speaker 1: the three people that volunteer to be a part of
Speaker 1: your research. They use their athleticism to be educated, and
Speaker 1: I feel they're live in good lives because they were
Speaker 1: able to go to college. But the the athleticism wasn't
Speaker 1: the end all. It was just a straight to a
Speaker 1: better life. And that's what that was my biggest takeaway
Speaker 1: from your book. In the book, I'm talking about this race,
Speaker 1: sports and education, improving opportunities, which what college education can
Speaker 1: do and out come for blackmail college athletes by man
Speaker 1: Dr John Singer. I'm a fan. Please tell everybody how
Speaker 1: they can locate your book. Do you have a website
Speaker 1: your social media information? Oh? Yeah, Well the best way
Speaker 1: probably is this to go directly to either Harvard Education
Speaker 1: Press website or either Amazon. That's that's really the popular
Speaker 1: way to get the book. Um at this point, Um,
Speaker 1: I am on Twitter, I am on Facebook. UM. So
Speaker 1: I don't have a website at this point for the book.
Speaker 1: But as I talk more about this book and and
Speaker 1: uh it gets more attention, I will be set that
Speaker 1: type of thing. Well, my job is to give your attention, sir,
Speaker 1: because I enjoyed it and I wish you good luck.
Speaker 1: I always know that Rushan McDonald is a friend of
Speaker 1: yours and there your book has only opened my eyes
Speaker 1: to let me know that I'm gonna continue to fight.
Speaker 1: But college changed my life. I didn't play sports. But
Speaker 1: if I didn't go to college, and I didn't pursue
Speaker 1: the opportunity of to college presented to me, I would
Speaker 1: not be the man I am today. If you want
Speaker 1: to listen to any more episodes of Money Making Conversations,
Speaker 1: go to Money Making Conversation dot com. I'm Rushan McDonald.
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