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Speaker 1: What's up.

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Speaker 2: It's way up with Angela yee, and we got Philly

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Speaker 2: in the building all the way around in here. Gigi

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Speaker 2: is guesting on this interview because she loves her some

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Speaker 2: Wallow period. Yes, but Wallow's in the building too, and

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Speaker 2: your book, armed with good intentions is out.

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Speaker 1: I read the whole book already, Yes, honestly.

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Speaker 3: Is that how you feel about it?

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Speaker 2: It was a definitely, first of all, well done, like

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Speaker 2: the way that you tell the story of how everything happened.

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Speaker 2: I think we know you Wallow, and we get to

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Speaker 2: see a lot of you on you know, a million

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Speaker 2: dollars worth of game and in interviews, but this was

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Speaker 2: like a different type of more introspective because it's different

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Speaker 2: when it's like, you know a lot of jokes, and

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Speaker 2: I know you and Gilly have a lot of jokes.

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Speaker 1: But then to read a book.

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Speaker 2: Like this to understand what made you who you are,

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Speaker 2: that was I think really eye opening for anybody who

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Speaker 2: wants to read this.

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Speaker 1: I honestly read the whole thing straight through.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, damn. That was good. I'm glad it caught

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Speaker 3: you court you, that grabbed you enough to say let

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Speaker 3: me keep going.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because a lot of stuff like I knew certain things,

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Speaker 2: but reading everything in chronological order. Yeah, just to sit

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Speaker 2: down and see, Okay, this is where it all started

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Speaker 2: to be introduced to your family members, to understand why

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Speaker 2: you made certain decisions that you made, to understand, you know,

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Speaker 2: being in juvenile then going to jail, going to prison,

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Speaker 2: how that formed you. And also how the system works,

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Speaker 2: because I know you're involved with Reform Alliance as a

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Speaker 2: CMO over there as well, and I can see why

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Speaker 2: somebody like you who's been in that position is somebody

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Speaker 2: that can really relate to helping people because I think

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Speaker 2: a lot of people that talk about prison reform and

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Speaker 2: all of that, a lot of them haven't been in

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Speaker 1: You got a lot of people out here as far

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Speaker 1: as politicians.

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Speaker 3: Politicians and people in general that you got some people

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Speaker 3: trying to actately trying to help black people. Don't like

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Speaker 3: black people be disconnected from the culture. But sometimes it

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Speaker 3: be a money play and to be a cloud play, right,

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Speaker 3: So you got to be real careful sometime, you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean, Because like you know, we always talk

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Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. And you can't say you're trying

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Speaker 3: to help something that you don't mess with, right, yeah,

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Speaker 3: and you're not connected to Like I think it's a

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Speaker 3: lot of times in the black culture, they think rappers,

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Speaker 3: entertainers and athletes they don't represent Black people at the bottom.

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Speaker 3: They not all representative. So I just think a lot

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Speaker 3: of times the white folks don't understand that, and they

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Speaker 3: give money and donate money to all these all these people.

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Speaker 3: They don't They don't come and kick it with us

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Speaker 3: at the bottom. They don't kick it with the people.

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Speaker 3: And I'm out there. I deal with the people. I

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Speaker 3: deal with the real people at the bottom that you

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Speaker 3: know in the bottom dictate the top. And I don't

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Speaker 3: think we understand it in the culture, but we forget that,

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Speaker 3: and a lot of artists forget that. It's like Brook,

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Speaker 3: you're not popping to the hoods here you popping. Then

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Speaker 3: once the hoods here you popping, you get popping. You

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Speaker 3: start to act like you don't know the hood no more, right,

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Speaker 3: and then you go corny. They go corny at the

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Speaker 3: white because when the hoods, how fucking with you as.

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Speaker 2: Corny because people always act like once you make it,

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Speaker 3: Port the hood, you can support the hood. Some people do.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people that think like that they never

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Speaker 3: and you was corny or something. I'm just being realistic,

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Speaker 3: you know, when you're corny y'all women know how it is.

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Speaker 3: Do corny get money? Then they hate everybody They mad

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Speaker 3: now because down they feelings like, yeah, I can pay.

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Speaker 1: Back now, reinvent themselves.

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Speaker 3: I think, yeah, you was corny your whole life, right,

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Speaker 3: you could have been got.

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Speaker 1: Money to move to another city.

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Speaker 3: Yeah you got some money now and now you just.

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Speaker 1: The money story is about how you know, you're just you're.

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Speaker 3: Him behind the money, but you're still corny. So it's deep.

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Speaker 1: People from your hometown know what it really is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it get real crazy, but you know it's just

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Speaker 3: like this book right here is just to show people. Man, listen, man,

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Speaker 3: I don't only was on with good contentions, but I

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Speaker 3: saying oh that's over for me. Oh I'm a victim.

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Speaker 3: I was in jail, the white men. I ain't do

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Speaker 3: turned it up on them.

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Speaker 2: And I think also people from the outside looking in,

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Speaker 2: like you came home for nine months.

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Speaker 1: And then ended up going right back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that was the first time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the first time.

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Speaker 2: But you know, people from the outside would be like, oh,

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Speaker 2: when you're leaving, it like see you again soon, because

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Speaker 2: they talk about recidivism, but it's also decision making and

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Speaker 2: like learning certain things. You know, they act like prison

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Speaker 2: is supposed to be a place that rehabilitates.

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Speaker 3: And oh, you got to rehabilitate yourself. They ain't doing

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying I'm on the block. It's fine. And

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Speaker 3: people on the block is we're sharing two counselors, like

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Speaker 3: rehabilitate what you go to a program that just cycling

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Speaker 3: these programs you go to and it's like, okay, you're

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Speaker 3: going to a program, like how many? Like what really

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Speaker 3: gonna help you? Like, how the fuck that's really gonna help? You?

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Speaker 3: Go to program? Out of the twenty years you do.

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Speaker 3: You might go to the program for ten weeks, then

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Speaker 3: you go to another program for ten weeks. You might

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Speaker 3: about you. It's really a U game, but it is

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Speaker 3: not just jail. When you come home, like I tell

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Speaker 3: people the bigges, the most scariest day at prison of

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Speaker 3: the day. You come on right, I come home, right,

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Speaker 3: I'm come home one of y'all, ladies. I got a

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Speaker 3: you're putting pressure.

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Speaker 1: On me because you got to take care of that.

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Speaker 3: As a black woman, your whole thing is like, all right,

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Speaker 3: my man, you ain't come home and step up. You

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Speaker 3: better figure something out and get a package, do something.

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Speaker 3: So now you got this, You got this pressure up.

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Speaker 3: Unless you got to understanding child's mother. You in trouble

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Speaker 3: from the day one, because now you got to deal

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Speaker 3: with that. Do you got to deal with the fact of, Oh,

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Speaker 3: everything I said I was before this, I gotta beat that.

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Speaker 3: Now everything I told you when I was on a

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Speaker 3: Daddy going chill. I'm telling you know some baby, I'm

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Speaker 3: telling you want my family back. I want my family back.

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Speaker 3: But I'm telling him I'm a different dude. You got to

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Speaker 3: And it's like, now you come home and booboo, how

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Speaker 3: at you? And black? And they're like, yo, let's get

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Speaker 3: it man, we got you know, I gotta move. And

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Speaker 3: you're like, it's pressure because you because his whole thing

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Speaker 3: is he looking at you. You didn't involve you're registered nurse.

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Speaker 3: Now you got your body done. You look at good.

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Speaker 3: You live in a suburbs herbs and I'm like, damn,

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Speaker 3: I can't. You like I can't. And you're like, damn,

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Speaker 3: I want her back and you to live with your moms.

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Speaker 3: She's like, no, then you ain't coming up living up here.

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Speaker 3: You gotta get some paper. That pressure is something else.

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Speaker 2: Well besides that, I want to say, you know, because

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Speaker 2: first of all, it's a guilty pleasure.

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Speaker 1: But I love watching Love after lock Up.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, let's listen. Let me play something to you.

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Speaker 3: Let me play something to you. I'm gonna put you down.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna put you down, so so listen, so listen,

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Speaker 3: so listen. I'm in the joint. Right, you got several websites, right,

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Speaker 3: Gil killed me about this, So you got you got.

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Speaker 3: You had inmate dot com, you had friends beyond the wall.

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Speaker 3: You had me to prisoner dot com.

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Speaker 1: I know that one.

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Speaker 3: So you will take like thirty dollars, right, you'll take

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Speaker 3: thirty You get you. You gotta write your spill together.

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Speaker 3: You gotta get your buio together. You know you'll got

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Speaker 3: to buy you just sit down and if you ain't

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Speaker 3: built like that, like it was a couple of dudes

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Speaker 3: I used to write letters, but sometimes I write a bio.

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Speaker 3: I used to sell bios. So you overhook your bio

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Speaker 3: up and then you'll take thirty five dollars off your account,

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Speaker 3: send it to these different spots. So now you got

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Speaker 3: you got you on you on these different platforms, and

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Speaker 3: women be going next thing. You know, the letters start coming. Yep.

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Speaker 3: I knew this old here. I knew this old here. Right.

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Speaker 3: He was old. He was like sixty something, right, So

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Speaker 3: he would pay a young boy want to work out boys,

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Speaker 3: pay you man conversations. You'll give me your pictures and

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Speaker 3: send me some pictures. He'll set up the profiles. Man.

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Speaker 3: He'd be man. Had a thousand women writing them, sending

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Speaker 3: any money and all good time, you'd be surprised the

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Speaker 3: prison visiting room be jumping, you know, because.

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Speaker 1: I always wondered this too.

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Speaker 2: I would tell anybody like and tell me if you

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Speaker 2: think this is true for a woman, if you're dating somebody, right,

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Speaker 2: and I know, like in your last year you met

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Speaker 2: somebody y'all kicking it. But I feel like things will

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Speaker 2: always change when you come home, like you never know,

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Speaker 2: not always, but a lot of times it's.

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Speaker 3: Hard when you come home, especially if it's somebody that

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Speaker 3: you wasn't rocking with before before you went to prison,

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Speaker 3: because it's like you come home and you sitting there

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Speaker 3: you're thinking about you know, damn baby, my baby, I'm

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Speaker 3: telling you the world were going to the top. But

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Speaker 3: then you get out there, you see all these asses

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Speaker 3: out of the new dollars, all this new shit, especially

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Speaker 3: if you did some real time. You wasn't out here

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Speaker 3: for all these new bodies.

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Speaker 1: So you come home be like a playgrounds.

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Speaker 3: Oh shit, it's cool that you come up to visit

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Speaker 3: all the visit pitches, the snacks and zoom zooms and

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Speaker 3: wan wings. But now it's like, but you know, I

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Speaker 3: think everybody's story is different.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah it's not. That's a big risk, right.

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Speaker 2: And then because some people will say, well, he used me.

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Speaker 3: Would you would you do a bit with somebody that

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Speaker 3: you was to tell the truth? Would you do a bit?

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Speaker 1: How long?

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Speaker 3: What was too long before you start doing something? Before

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Speaker 3: Were you were together with somebody? Yeah for five years? Okay,

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Speaker 3: and he gotta go do a three year bit? You

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Speaker 1: Is you not doing nothing three years?

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Speaker 2: I could do that for three years, especially now I'd

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Speaker 2: And I still hold you down, like if you need something,

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Speaker 1: And also what did he do?

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Speaker 3: Let me expec you? All right, so listen, you gotta do.

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Speaker 3: He married you, put you in a big house, set

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Speaker 3: you up, eightything, cool, y'all going together. You find out

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Speaker 3: he was doing some embezzlement something something, but he did.

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Speaker 3: They think care you left you off right? You gotta

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Speaker 1: And I'm in a nice big house and I got

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Speaker 3: You doing a bit.

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Speaker 1: Because you know once you.

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Speaker 3: Would, you know, once he goes to jail, Baby Lake

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Speaker 3: looking for you, everybody looking for you.

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Speaker 2: Can I go and like we can still have conjugal

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Speaker 2: visits and everything depends on what state you in the FEDS.

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Speaker 3: You can't do that.

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Speaker 1: It would depend. Okay, So and you say no congrego

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Speaker 3: Is you gonna go You're gonna go slide on you.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna go get with Baby Lake.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if we was together all that time, I

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Speaker 3: Oh, I already know you're getting busy for listen, man,

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Speaker 3: because whether or not you do, he gonna think you are. Listen, listen,

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Speaker 3: let me tell you seven.

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Speaker 1: God forbid, I'm sleeping. You call me not seven years.

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Speaker 3: One of the most faithful days outside of my brother

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Speaker 3: and stuff and you know, family members dying is I

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Speaker 3: was dealing with this girl right she was going to

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Speaker 3: spellman right now. This is my girl on the streets.

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Speaker 3: I called her. Boy answer the phone. Wow, listen, listen,

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Speaker 3: I'm inside of it. I'm in side of the because

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Speaker 3: you when you're on the phone, where you take your sock,

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Speaker 3: be like clean, you put your sock on. I'm on

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Speaker 3: some cool ship. That motherfucker just some phone you. I'm like,

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Speaker 3: you're no, no, no, I heard that first. Then the operator,

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Speaker 3: come on, the operator, come on, you have a collect

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Speaker 1: So I'm like you could do so, I'm like.

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Speaker 3: The love, I'm ready to pass out in the fore room.

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Speaker 3: I'm over the phone.

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Speaker 4: Jo.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, damn please, he got my baby, right, So listen,

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Speaker 3: he answered that joint click. Thank you for seeing this call.

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Speaker 3: He comes to YO, what's going on? Man? I'm like,

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Speaker 3: I ain't gonna say a name because I want to

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Speaker 3: all this ship in Boston. I'm like, it's be there.

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Speaker 3: You're like, no, she ain't here right now. She went

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Speaker 3: to the store. Man, you want to believe a message

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Speaker 3: or something. So I'm like, why are you in this

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Speaker 3: dorm room? An, I'm like, damn taking a message. I'm like, damn,

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Speaker 3: I'm like so so so I'm like and I'm like,

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Speaker 3: I'm like so, I'm like, I'm like, like, like I

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Speaker 3: felt the tears coming down something. I'm like this, I'm hurting, right,

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Speaker 3: I'm hurting because listen, this is my first interaction with

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Speaker 3: this ship in jail. Everybody got to go through this, right.

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Speaker 3: So I'm like, damn. I'm like, all right, man, thank you, man,

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Speaker 3: appreciate call call any time. I'm like, call anytime. What

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Speaker 3: the fuck you think? I'm up? What she told you?

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Speaker 3: I'm a brother something. What's going on?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: So I'm like, man, I went to the sale. Man,

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Speaker 3: I almost passed out. Man, it was a herd piece. Man,

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Speaker 3: Baby Lake had my check.

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Speaker 1: Man, Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 3: It was crazy.

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Speaker 1: But there's nothing you could do about it. There's nothing

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Speaker 3: Oh you know, it's crazy. I had to because I

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Speaker 3: next time a couple of days ago later, she answered

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Speaker 3: the phone. He was cool, like, she ain't even talk

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Speaker 3: about it, did you? I ain't talking about I just

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Speaker 3: kept taking.

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Speaker 2: A level today, my gys, cause you know, and you

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Speaker 2: even say this in the book, you talk about that,

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Speaker 2: like how what do you expect this woman to do?

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Speaker 3: No, you can't, because that happened to me multiple times

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Speaker 3: going to jail. I can say this. One girl named Veronica,

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Speaker 3: Veronica Smith Ronnie. She was my join too, And you

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Speaker 3: know I was crazy because when you're in jail, you

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Speaker 3: get illusion. Yes, my girl, I wrote her every day

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Speaker 3: for a year, like every day I was writing. She

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Speaker 3: never wrote back, So I told her, hint, I'm telling something.

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Speaker 3: I'm in the juvenile jo. I'm like, you know what,

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Speaker 3: mom and the hold my letters. Man they hate come home.

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Speaker 3: Knock on her door day one to tell my man, whire,

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Speaker 3: just take me to the crib. He taking me up

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Speaker 3: to the crib. I'm like, yeah, I'm my baby. She

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Speaker 3: come out.

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Speaker 2: Shit.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, damn, what's up baby? This that third she

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Speaker 3: told him something, Oh my god, wowy. I'm like, So,

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Speaker 3: she's like, let's walk down the street. I'm like, so

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Speaker 3: we walked down the street. She's like, I got it, man,

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Speaker 3: it's there. I'm like, damn, did you get my letter?

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Speaker 3: She's like yeah. I'm like, but I was in a situation.

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Speaker 3: I'm just like, I start punching in the ear, remember

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Speaker 3: like my man on Boys in her I was punching

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Speaker 3: in the ear and ship.

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Speaker 1: It was her.

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Speaker 3: It was heartbroken, like but I always was a dude

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Speaker 3: that was like, it was cool. It was just like, damn.

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Speaker 1: I thought she was going to say she opened the

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Speaker 1: door and she was pregnant.

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Speaker 3: No, it was like the same thing.

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Speaker 2: He said, No, that's not the same thing. Pregnant is permanent,

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Speaker 2: Like well, unless it's not.

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Speaker 3: But but she was already done. She never wrote back,

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Speaker 3: so it was cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a hint. If I don't write

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Speaker 2: your back, and you know, you think of some magical

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Speaker 2: ship in jail will make up anything, right.

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Speaker 3: I'm like her brother, her brother brother taking my letters.

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Speaker 1: You know what's interesting.

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Speaker 2: So there is a scenario you talk about in the

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Speaker 2: and she was almost thirty wow.

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Speaker 3: No, No, I wasn't thirteen. I was seventeen.

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Speaker 2: She was seventeen, okay, teen and all right, so all right,

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Speaker 2: but she had been grooming you pretty much.

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Speaker 3: I ran up on her enough, you know, I ran

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Speaker 3: I ran up on it. She's in a store, and

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Speaker 3: then shot my shot and it.

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Speaker 1: Was on right.

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Speaker 2: But while you were in jail, you realize at the

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Speaker 2: time it feelt like you lit. And this happens a

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Speaker 2: older women and you feel like you're the man. But

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Speaker 2: later on in life feel like, was I taking advantage

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Speaker 2: of Yeah? And when you think about that, now, how

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Speaker 3: You know what's crazy is wold and I was. I

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Speaker 3: something I said, we don't talk about in our community,

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Speaker 3: and it's crazy and it's major in the black community, pedophilia. Right.

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Speaker 3: A lot of times it's usually the older black men

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Speaker 3: dealing with the younger women. In history, I'm talking about

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Speaker 3: like if you go all the way back to sixty seventy,

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Speaker 3: how they passed team to turn it off. But that

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Speaker 3: Grandpa was already like fifteen twenty years older than grandma's

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Speaker 3: and it's like that been going on. But that's something

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Speaker 3: that never get talked about, and a lot of women

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Speaker 3: They never spoke to nobody about it. Sometimes it got overlooked,

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Speaker 3: better go talk to him.

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Speaker 1: He got money, oh he got a car, or he

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Speaker 3: With you a young guy, You're like, damn you winning,

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Speaker 3: I got I'm the man.

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Speaker 1: The teacher. Because guys always act like it's a fantasy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the teacher.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, to be with your teacher, and something's wrong with

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Speaker 2: you if you don't. Even if you hear some I'm

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Speaker 2: not going to name no rappids, but they've talked about

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Speaker 2: how they have their son, you know, sleeper to older

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Speaker 2: women and do things like that, and it is really

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Speaker 2: kind of like that's it could.

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Speaker 3: Destroy you for life. It could mess you up because

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Speaker 3: you don't really know. You're thinking you're winning, sometimes you're losing.

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Speaker 3: Especially in our community, the women be taking it be

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Speaker 3: destroying a lot of the sisters, right, and because they

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Speaker 3: don't talk about a lot of them to talk about it,

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Speaker 3: but you hear it a lot.

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Speaker 1: So now that I'm asking you, how did you frame that?

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Speaker 2: Like when you think about it now today when you

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Speaker 2: were seventeen years old, she was thirty one years old, Like,

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Speaker 2: how do you think that affected you? Because you wrote

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Speaker 2: about it in the book, so it's got to be more.

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Speaker 3: It was deep because I'm like, damn, what happened? Because

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Speaker 3: you don't know? And then I'm looking at it like

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Speaker 3: because and I think, what really made me think about it?

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Speaker 3: But it's like the girls that was my age, they

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Speaker 1: To the old the guys.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So it was like, what the fuck was going

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Speaker 1: I was fifteen with a twenty four year old. You

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Speaker 1: had no business doing.

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Speaker 3: It, you see what I'm saying. So it was like

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Speaker 3: it was just deep. It was deeper than and so

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Speaker 3: I was just trying to break down, like put it

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Speaker 3: out there. It's just like, yo, we gotta be more

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Speaker 3: on point with this, right, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 3: because it's going on like never before.

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Speaker 2: I looked so young when I was fifteen sixteen. I

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Speaker 2: I remember my friend's older brother used to drive us

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Speaker 2: to school, and he definitely tell he bought me a

434
00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:34,560
Speaker 2: Valentine's Day present, but he was so like, he seemed

435
00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:36,680
Speaker 2: so old to me. I was like fourteen or fifteen,

436
00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,240
Speaker 2: and he had on a suit every day, and I

437
00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,120
Speaker 2: was like, Io, why would he even be trying to

438
00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,320
Speaker 2: talk to like a little young girl like myself.

439
00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:45,680
Speaker 1: I just thought it was grol.

440
00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:47,320
Speaker 2: I didn't even want to ride to school with them

441
00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,880
Speaker 2: anymore after that. It was so disgusting to me as

442
00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:51,200
Speaker 2: a kid.

443
00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:52,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's an issue we had to deal with

444
00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:53,160
Speaker 3: in the community.

445
00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:54,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely.

446
00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:57,760
Speaker 2: Now listen, you were in the hospital and there's all

447
00:16:57,840 --> 00:16:59,480
Speaker 2: these different reasons why.

448
00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:01,440
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I got I got it, you got it.

449
00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:03,960
Speaker 3: So listen. Well, I'm gonna just say this. Gill said,

450
00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:05,800
Speaker 3: I was in the hospital because I got extended, right,

451
00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,040
Speaker 3: I got beefed up, right. I mean, now, I'm not

452
00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,640
Speaker 3: gonna I'm not gonna common Okay, all right, I'm gonna

453
00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,800
Speaker 3: just say, like, you know, that's that's you know, that's

454
00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:15,600
Speaker 3: you find.

455
00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:17,720
Speaker 1: Out it was any No, we can't find out.

456
00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,080
Speaker 3: How you stand, you know, do the research, you know,

457
00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,480
Speaker 3: I mean, but it is how long.

458
00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:24,440
Speaker 1: Would that put a person down?

459
00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:26,119
Speaker 2: I was I was about to say, just heavy healing

460
00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,719
Speaker 2: to whatever it was. You nothing, but you know how

461
00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:33,120
Speaker 2: that works. They they snipped the ligament this cap. I'll

462
00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:33,760
Speaker 2: explain it.

463
00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:34,760
Speaker 3: I can't explain it.

464
00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:38,080
Speaker 4: I well, there's well, to be honest, there's two different

465
00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,399
Speaker 4: types of surgery you can get. You can't get the

466
00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:42,560
Speaker 4: one where they snipped the snip and then they extend

467
00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,600
Speaker 4: they can put inside of you, so they pulled that out.

468
00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,080
Speaker 4: Then the other one is you know, somebody got one

469
00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,200
Speaker 4: I do, and then the other one is you. I

470
00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:51,960
Speaker 4: know somebody got the other one. Okay, the other one

471
00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,000
Speaker 4: is you get light bo and then they put the

472
00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:54,840
Speaker 4: fact they give you girl.

473
00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,119
Speaker 3: No, you're forgetting the other one. It's a joint. Whereas

474
00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,240
Speaker 3: though you don't even need to do the lippo to

475
00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:00,919
Speaker 3: get you, gir they got something to get you shooting.

476
00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,800
Speaker 3: And they don't blow up like a like it'll blow

477
00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:08,200
Speaker 3: college and it blow up like a cannon blow. No,

478
00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:10,000
Speaker 3: you don't blow up like a soda can.

479
00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,159
Speaker 2: My god, yeah, I would hate to see men on

480
00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:18,880
Speaker 2: flights on their knees with like hem, I can't put

481
00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:19,960
Speaker 2: my balls on breezy.

482
00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,280
Speaker 1: Well, you look good and you look like you're you

483
00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:25,280
Speaker 1: look like you're feeling better, and that's the good time

484
00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:26,159
Speaker 1: to get the d d L.

485
00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,360
Speaker 2: Right before the book comes out, you know what I'm saying,

486
00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:30,879
Speaker 2: before for real? Right, you're going on to it.

487
00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,120
Speaker 1: You want to be right. You know here you aren't

488
00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:33,760
Speaker 1: limping and nothing.

489
00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,080
Speaker 3: You don't look sick, so so the recovery is off

490
00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:38,280
Speaker 3: standing A great doctor.

491
00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:39,760
Speaker 1: I think you're joking with you.

492
00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:40,680
Speaker 3: He's a great doctor.

493
00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:42,359
Speaker 1: That's she's a great Wow.

494
00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,560
Speaker 2: Okay, she's a great doctor. I guess you probably don't

495
00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,040
Speaker 2: want to wouldn't matter for men operated.

496
00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:50,240
Speaker 3: Man, I don't know.

497
00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,480
Speaker 4: I'm here for all elective surgery, y'all. You know, I

498
00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,560
Speaker 4: don't got the problem laying on the table, right, and

499
00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:56,320
Speaker 4: I support you in your journey start.

500
00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,240
Speaker 1: So you wouldn't mind a man getting light bo and

501
00:18:58,320 --> 00:18:59,560
Speaker 1: nothing like I was with a man in.

502
00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:03,040
Speaker 3: Head like yeah, she said she was for somebody that

503
00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:03,720
Speaker 3: got suxtended.

504
00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,440
Speaker 1: So he got that. Oh he did the light but one. Okay,

505
00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,399
Speaker 1: he did a whole lot. Let's just say that, like

506
00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:10,760
Speaker 1: fool body. Now listen.

507
00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,760
Speaker 2: Obviously you and your cousin Gilly always have jokes on

508
00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,320
Speaker 2: each other. What did he say when he read this book?

509
00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:22,320
Speaker 3: Uh? He listened to the audio version because we was.

510
00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:23,920
Speaker 3: He was in the studio with me just hearing it.

511
00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,399
Speaker 3: You know what I mean. It's you know, he one

512
00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:28,720
Speaker 3: thing about cous cousin knows the story already, so it's

513
00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:30,399
Speaker 3: nothing new to him, and he know more of the

514
00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,600
Speaker 3: story than you know what I mean. So it's like

515
00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,520
Speaker 3: he just it's just regular to him because it's our

516
00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,640
Speaker 3: story and the ship that we talk about. Even outside

517
00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,880
Speaker 3: of social media, we just be in our own world,

518
00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:42,520
Speaker 3: zoning out.

519
00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:43,879
Speaker 1: I know he's proud of you.

520
00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,200
Speaker 3: Though, Oh, without a doubt, that's my biggest he put

521
00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,320
Speaker 3: the biggest pushing he that's my biggest cheerleader right there.

522
00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:51,520
Speaker 3: I love. Give me a w.

523
00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:57,959
Speaker 2: Now, were there's some things that you're like, this might

524
00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:59,560
Speaker 2: be too much to put in the book because there's

525
00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,000
Speaker 2: some very graphics stories about.

526
00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,520
Speaker 1: The jail, story about the drugs in the butt.

527
00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:05,920
Speaker 3: Yeah it's me.

528
00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,440
Speaker 1: It's not. Let's be clear everybody who reads it.

529
00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:11,320
Speaker 3: There was no drugs, crazy shit you got.

530
00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:14,000
Speaker 1: But honestly that made me.

531
00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:15,720
Speaker 2: I had to put it down for a minute. I

532
00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:17,320
Speaker 2: want to be clear now, I had to put the

533
00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,320
Speaker 2: book down for a minute when it came. Yeah, no,

534
00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:27,000
Speaker 2: it was very deep, Paul. It's honestly off of though,

535
00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,560
Speaker 2: because I know a lot of times like people would

536
00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,000
Speaker 2: say jail. It's not like you think, you know, because

537
00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:32,520
Speaker 2: people will always think like, oh, you went to jail,

538
00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:33,560
Speaker 2: that means you definitely was.

539
00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:35,840
Speaker 3: Like, like, you know, you know what's crazy? You know

540
00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:40,600
Speaker 3: what's crazy about jail, Like when you get you know,

541
00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,400
Speaker 3: you know, you be on the streets, it's some dangerous ship.

542
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:44,760
Speaker 3: But when you get to jail and you really see

543
00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:46,159
Speaker 3: that ship. And he asked you where you want your

544
00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,640
Speaker 3: body sent? And all that type of ship. It gets

545
00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,920
Speaker 3: real immediately. I don't care who you was on the streets.

546
00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,480
Speaker 3: It's the unknown because now you ain't got no gun.

547
00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,320
Speaker 3: You ain't got and you don't know who's on the

548
00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:57,840
Speaker 3: other side of that wall. When you're going to the

549
00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,560
Speaker 3: assessment and they're sitting there taking your bitols and they

550
00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,480
Speaker 3: talking to you, and he asked me about your address

551
00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:04,879
Speaker 3: and that way you want your body since shit is like.

552
00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:07,800
Speaker 1: Just I might not make it out of you.

553
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,240
Speaker 3: The fuck is going on back there right and you're

554
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,040
Speaker 3: sitting there waiting to go upstairs and you got to

555
00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,119
Speaker 3: get to your cell or whatever. Is it get real scary?

556
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 2: You know, Solitary confinement is a big topic today. I've

557
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,760
Speaker 2: been there, and that's what I want to ask you about,

558
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,200
Speaker 2: because you know here in New York they don't have

559
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 2: solitary confinement, but they do have something where they might

560
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,960
Speaker 2: have to separate you if you are a danger to everybody,

561
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:33,400
Speaker 2: Like how.

562
00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 1: Do you see in protective custody?

563
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:39,400
Speaker 2: I want to know what you think about solitary confinement

564
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,880
Speaker 2: and what you think should be happening in situations where

565
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,920
Speaker 2: maybe it is a situation where somebody does pose a

566
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 2: danger to other inmates or to even the CEOs or yeah,

567
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,320
Speaker 2: so what do you think should happen in that situation.

568
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,080
Speaker 3: It's deep because when I was I wasn't greatest for

569
00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,119
Speaker 3: a penitentiary. That was like one of the that's the

570
00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 3: biggest penitentiary in Pennsylvania. When I went to the hole

571
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:01,919
Speaker 3: because I went to the hole for cell phones. Other

572
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:03,680
Speaker 3: than that, I never went to the whole. I spent

573
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 3: six months in the whole.

574
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 1: Six months for the cell phones, six.

575
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,879
Speaker 3: Months for the cell phone. That's the street No, no, no,

576
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:09,440
Speaker 3: that's that's.

577
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 1: Major in there because it's not like you were hurting anyone.

578
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,919
Speaker 3: No, I spent six months for that, plus I got

579
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,359
Speaker 3: a street case. But what happened is when I went

580
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,640
Speaker 3: to the the wing where the hole is at, where

581
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 3: they had a hole at is death row like and

582
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 3: greats for a prison. So you see the dudes in

583
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:26,880
Speaker 3: the death row cages and stuff like that, because it's

584
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 3: like doll cages you're going to for like when you

585
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,200
Speaker 3: go when you go to your yard, you only get

586
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 3: out hour. You get to either go to the yard.

587
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,439
Speaker 3: Sometimes it depends on the guard. They say you're going

588
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,159
Speaker 3: to the yard. This show what you're doing. Wow, you

589
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:39,880
Speaker 3: so you'll be in the joint. And I never forget

590
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,399
Speaker 3: it was this one brother that was there and he

591
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 3: wasn't on death roll, but he was in the hole

592
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:45,400
Speaker 3: for like fifteen years.

593
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 1: That's crazy, that's really, that's beyond it.

594
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,880
Speaker 3: And he was like the type of dude whereas though

595
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,360
Speaker 3: you had to be real mindful the way you talk

596
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 3: to him through the gate, because he might be on

597
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 3: the gate. See I might be talking to somebody on

598
00:22:58,320 --> 00:22:59,399
Speaker 3: the gate. He'd get on there and get in the

599
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 3: conversation and start saying all type of shit and you

600
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 3: got to back down sometimes because this dude was a

601
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 3: master chemical warfare. When I say chemical warfare, this dude

602
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 3: the ship in the shit in like a lotion bottle. Shit, piss,

603
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 3: Come all that shit in a lotion bottle. Let it

604
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 3: sit in the cell and just wait. He's spray a guard.

605
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,640
Speaker 3: He'll spray you. And when he spray this shit, it's

606
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 3: a smell that you never smelled in the history of life.

607
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 3: And the like the whole wing up, the whole prison wing.

608
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 3: So you'll had to be mad. You had to throw

609
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,400
Speaker 3: them like like when he coming out sometimes when you're

610
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 3: going out and if you gotta walk past his cell,

611
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 3: like because you shackled up to go to the shower whatever,

612
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 3: you gotta like wrap your face up because you don't

613
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 3: know if he don't like it. So it was deep.

614
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 3: It was deep, and it was like if the guard

615
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 3: come in there, I got to distract somebody from the cell.

616
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 3: I'll put you in the chair. It's this chair where

617
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 3: they cuff you to the chair and they put a

618
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 3: mask on you, so you want to spit and you

619
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,159
Speaker 3: just be sitting in the chair like this basically like

620
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 3: your boxes and that's it. And it just like like

621
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 3: if they got to pull you out of their cell,

622
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,159
Speaker 3: they're going through it with you about something or if

623
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:58,360
Speaker 3: you don't want to come out the yard, if youn't

624
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,080
Speaker 3: want to come out of the shower. And when they

625
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 3: had come on a tier there spray if they spray

626
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 3: thatt mace, that shit go through the events. So you'll

627
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 3: be sitting there, You'll be sitting there away for that

628
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 3: shit that the fan out had your mask going. So

629
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 3: it's real deep. It get deep in there because you

630
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 3: got to think about it. You just in there, can't

631
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 3: call your peoples and none of that shit. You better

632
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 3: hope somebody that get.

633
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,880
Speaker 1: On the phone can you think he was like that before.

634
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 1: You think he became like that because it was in

635
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 1: solitary confinement for so long.

636
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 3: I think a lot of times you adapt to the environment.

637
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 3: That's a part of that environment and the culture of

638
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 3: solitary confinement. It's a mental game. A lot of people

639
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 3: don't make it out on the other side. And then

640
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 3: you got people with all type of mental issues, people

641
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 3: on psychotrophic medication. Some people that got to the psychotroph

642
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 3: and medication didn't get there because they really had issues.

643
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 3: They got there trying to get high. Okay, so they'd

644
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 3: go to the cycle. Oh I can't sleep. So now

645
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,160
Speaker 3: when you go to the site and say you can't sleep,

646
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:51,679
Speaker 3: they give you all these type of pills to help

647
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 3: you sleep. But you don't even know they them goofy

648
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 3: pills right next thing. Next thing, you know, you got

649
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,440
Speaker 3: somebody that you knew your whole life walking by on yard.

650
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 3: Don't even identify you. I didn't. I didn't have situations

651
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 3: with that like that with me, whereas do I'll see home, like, yo,

652
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 3: what's up? They look walking to you? They did stare

653
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,880
Speaker 3: they be done us? Get them drugs? Is deep?

654
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: Wow?

655
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 2: You know people always like look at where you are today, right, Like,

656
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 2: it's amazing to see the success that you've had and

657
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 2: you should be very in such a short time that,

658
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 2: you know, you should be honestly, like really proud of

659
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 2: everything that you've accomplished. You know, in spite of all

660
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 2: the people who might not have ever thought you would

661
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 2: be here. Teachers, you know, family members, people in the neighborhoods, judges, yeah, everybody.

662
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 2: Some some would say, well, if you didn't go through this,

663
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 2: she wouldn't be here today.

664
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 1: But what are your thoughts when I.

665
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:45,479
Speaker 3: Think that too?

666
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 1: Yeah?

667
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 3: I think, uh, you know your stories, your glory. You

668
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 3: got to go through that to learn certain things. You know,

669
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 3: everybody in here, you probably won't be where you was

670
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 3: at if you ain't go through your life. Your life

671
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 3: is your life and it's designed for you. I just

672
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 3: think that's that's what is really about going through it

673
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 3: and through that through you know your journey, You learn things,

674
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 3: you take a lot of l's, you learn from the l's,

675
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 3: you get back up and you keep going.

676
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 2: So what were you saying with the Okay, so being

677
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,919
Speaker 2: in jail, you got your ged. That was a positive,

678
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 2: that was a major. Yeah, maybe you wouldn't have done

679
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 2: that you were able to be.

680
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: In the library. I want to gain, you want to

681
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 1: cary it at all.

682
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,679
Speaker 2: So there were some things that you feel like if

683
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 2: you can take advantage of it, then you can benefit

684
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 2: from from that. Because you needed to sit down. You

685
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 2: didn't need to sit down because you was. And one

686
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 2: thing you're very.

687
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: Honest about in this book is that you were a follower.

688
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's kind of what landed you where you are,

689
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 2: And that's probably the situation with a lot of people.

690
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 3: No, I think on the street game, everybody's a follower.

691
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 3: You ain't invent the streets. You ain't have been selling dope,

692
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 3: You ain't invent shoot, you ain't invent none of this shit.

693
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 3: You're following the culture that was laid down as a

694
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 3: foundation for you from your environment and your neighborhood. Ain't

695
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 3: nobody no leader out there, leader or what everybody answered

696
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 3: to somebody in some type of way. And you didn't create.

697
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 3: You didn't create no new shit. You ain't create the

698
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 3: cell phone. You create. You went out there commedic committed,

699
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 3: you know, you going out there committing crimes in your community,

700
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 3: bringing your fucking community down. What is you leaving everybody's

701
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 3: all following. But it's hard, like we live in in

702
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 3: the black culture, being vulnerable. And that's why I always

703
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 3: be me and I let people see it. I don't

704
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 3: try to hide it because I think that's what we

705
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 3: missing in the community, We missing being human. I think

706
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 3: everybody want to be tough. Everybody masking is bullshit. They

707
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 3: scared to somebody gonna see who they really are. They

708
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 3: don't even matter, just be you, and I think that's

709
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 3: where it comes from. I think the what you call it,

710
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 3: the defense mechanism is killing people. Everybody got a defense

711
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 3: on when it's like it's so it's so much move

712
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 3: or soothing and relaxing to just be you and say

713
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 3: fuck it.

714
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 1: I wish more people understood because it's a journey to

715
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 1: get to that too.

716
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I think people have to go through things

717
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 2: also to even know who they are, because sometimes you don't.

718
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 3: It's like everybody in the beginning, everybody who they think

719
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 3: I was talking to. Uh, there's a couple of youngins

720
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 3: that I talked to. I know the dads, we grew

721
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 3: up together. Some of the dads dead on the penitentiary.

722
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 3: And when I get with him and talk to him,

723
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 3: just kicking it with him. Did ship they be saying,

724
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 3: I'd be like, y'all crazy man, because I'll be like, yo,

725
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 3: like if you if you don't let her walk by,

726
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 3: don't say nothing. You're trying to look for our instagram.

727
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 3: Tell us she looks good, say something to her. Like

728
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 3: everybody like afraid like.

729
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 2: Compliments is like, well, people do feel like I don't

730
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 2: want to. It depends on where you are, too, Like

731
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 2: in the workplace, people can't say that you.

732
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: Just walking in the shape regular regular.

733
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 3: Like everybody afraid to compliment people like we just sw

734
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 3: up to everybody uptight for whatever, motherfuck up tight you

735
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 3: go past your page, won't like your picture just because,

736
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 3: don't you know what funny We were.

737
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:44,479
Speaker 1: With her the other day.

738
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 2: She came to angela y day and she had posted

739
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 2: on her page a video of how this girl kept

740
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 2: looking at her and she's like, she looking at me

741
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 2: like this I'm looking at her, and then she said

742
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 2: the woman was like, I love your hair, but you know,

743
00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 2: automatically when somebody's looking at you, Huh, didn't you ever

744
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 2: had on? No, she I don't know that day, but

745
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 2: her hair is nice and big, and I don't know

746
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 2: when I don't know when she somebody was looking at her,

747
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 2: but you know she has a beautiful, big curly hair.

748
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 2: But it's too Sometimes people are looking at you and

749
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 2: you automatically assume and you put.

750
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 3: The defense up. I think I think it's I think

751
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 3: social media made it so made people so defensive because

752
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 3: it seemed like everybody critical, especially especially if you won.

753
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 3: Our culture, the black culture is the most critical, and

754
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 3: they more they only it seemed like it seemed like

755
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 3: it's more they more critical when you win.

756
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: Let me tell you I put so I went live.

757
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: I was a little to sy at my house.

758
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 2: Now I got a Brownstone in Brooklyn, which is, you know,

759
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 2: my second one, but yeah it is in Brownstones in

760
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 2: Brooklyn are.

761
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: Not second one. But anyway, it was a full gut rehab.

762
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: So I was live. I didn't like keep the video up.

763
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 2: I just was like showing off a little bit of

764
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 2: the paintings I had in my living room because I'm

765
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 2: excited about that, Like I've been collecting art for years

766
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 2: nowhout out to my grandma Shanda and who kind of

767
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 2: helps me with that, and my girl Ingrid. So anyway,

768
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 2: this web live, I say always like post people's lives

769
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 2: that may not have been posted, and I only saw

770
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 2: a couple of and then I was like, let me

771
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 2: not even look at this. But people was like criticizing

772
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 2: my house. It's not even done. It's like a fogut rehab.

773
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 2: So it's probably not going to be fully done for

774
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 2: like another who knows, six months or whatever. But people

775
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 2: were like, I'm like, do y'all understand You're not gonna

776
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 2: make me feel bad about.

777
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: Let me tell you. I wanted to fight them people

778
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: in the comments. I was like, there's no way in

779
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: life I will ever. Number one, you got to feel

780
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: bad about that.

781
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 3: You got to activate your fuck it button right just

782
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 3: number one and number two is one thing about the

783
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 3: black culture. I'm speaking about us. I can't speak about

784
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 3: one thing about us that I understand and and you know,

785
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 3: you deal with it. When a black see a black win,

786
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 3: the black win, it needify a lot of people that

787
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 3: didn't win. It ain't do that. They ain't do nothing that.

788
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 3: That notification is hard. That's a notification nobody want to open.

789
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 3: And that's shit hard to deal with because when I'm

790
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 3: looking at you like or if you come from the

791
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 3: same environ as me, your mom and your dad, struggled

792
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 3: like mins you. You was on section eight like me.

793
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 3: You was on welfare like me, and you fucking made

794
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 3: it and I didn't. Now I got to look myself

795
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 3: in the mirror, have a real conversation that I'm not

796
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 3: ready to have. So that win a lot of time

797
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 3: on social media. That's how you got time to be

798
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 3: so critical about me. What button that I fucking pushed

799
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 3: in you? I just had to a notification.

800
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: But I was like, there's no way I feel bad

801
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: about this.

802
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 2: I love my better not I was like, imagine trying

803
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 2: to make somebody feel bad that it was wild? But

804
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 2: you know what I want to ask you, because Michael

805
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 2: made those comments about the black community, and people were

806
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 2: very divided on how they felt about him, saying, you know,

807
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 2: black people are so critical of each other and he

808
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 2: and that community in particular.

809
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: Some people were saying wrong messenger.

810
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 3: You know a lot of times it's the messenger.

811
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: What did you think about those kind.

812
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 3: Of Oh, you know, I know Mike. I know Mike personally,

813
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 3: and I know Mike. You know the thing about Mike,

814
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 3: I tell you, I'm gonna just tell you a story

815
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 3: about Mike. When Meek got sentenced that day, and he

816
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 3: got and we was in the courtroom. We go back

817
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 3: to you know, the judge and they're snapping, so we

818
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 3: take a take a recess. Mike go in the back

819
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 3: like what's going on here? Like I'm just looking at him.

820
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: Like he has no idea this what goes on?

821
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 3: Right? He was so enraged and so shocked. He was

822
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 3: like why is she talk what's going on? Why is

823
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 3: that it's just normal? Like and there was so much

824
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 3: that he didn't understand how the course system go for

825
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 3: us as black people in America that he flipped out.

826
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 3: So we walked back in the courtroom. He stepped up

827
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 3: to talk for me and the judge like blew him

828
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 3: off and all this shit. He was like, he didn't

829
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 3: even do it, like what's going on? Like he could?

830
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 3: He was shocked. He left and he and he made

831
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 3: a commitment that they to set it off, and he did.

832
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 3: From that moment I'm talking about it was like it

833
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 3: was like five minutes, not even five minutes, and him

834
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 3: just seeing how it took place for us. So a

835
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 3: lot of times people have good intentions of what they

836
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 3: what they want to say, but sometimes am with good intentions,

837
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 3: it's just it's just certain messages got to be heard

838
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 3: from different people in order for people for to be

839
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 3: receptive about it.

840
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: Get it.

841
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,719
Speaker 3: But one thing I know about him, I seen him

842
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 3: show up, right, showed up.

843
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 2: He showed up a lot about it. So he would

844
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 2: tell you like, I didn't know this was happening until

845
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 2: I met meek Man.

846
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 3: No, No, I was dear, I don't know what everybody

847
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 3: hear shit. I was in the court room that day

848
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 3: with me. Mike was there. I seen what happened. He

849
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 3: came to ask, he asking us, like, what's going on?

850
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 3: I said, Mike, listen, let me plain this how this

851
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 3: should always go right. This is the story of our life.

852
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 3: And he vowed to do something about it. He built

853
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 3: you know, they built reform with him and him meeting

854
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 3: what's name, and the shit popped off and it helped

855
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 3: a lot of people. So that's what it is. You

856
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 3: see what I'm saying. But you know this is being

857
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 3: messenger right, and it's all to be a lot.

858
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: Of times listen.

859
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 2: And then obviously recently fifty cent was on a million

860
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 2: dollars worth of game because of all kinds of responses

861
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 2: and controversy of no comments.

862
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 3: I just interviewed, I just interviewed people I don't know about.

863
00:33:58,520 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 3: I don't know nothing about it.

864
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 2: What do you think about I was saying earlier, I

865
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 2: was like, no matter what fifty cent could do, like

866
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 2: ten interviews, and there's always going to be great moments,

867
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 2: you know, and all of them because he does. I

868
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 2: feel like a lot of times he dictates kind of

869
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 2: where the conversation flows to.

870
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: He's really good at that.

871
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 3: Like like with me, my main goal when I'm sitting

872
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 3: down with anybody, especially of you as as as heavy

873
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 3: as him, I'm going in near working for the audience.

874
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 3: It's not about me. I'm working for the people back home.

875
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 3: I'm working for the people that want to know. And

876
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 3: so I'm I'm gonna always ask, I'm gonna keep pushing.

877
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 3: I got to ask you a bunch of questions that's

878
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 3: gonna give up information. And we got a lot of information.

879
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: And Tyese.

880
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 2: Reesea is something yeah, I have, I mean had some

881
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,879
Speaker 2: really monumental things happen on million dollars worth of game.

882
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 2: Why do you think that people open up so much

883
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 2: on that platform and tell because.

884
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 3: When you get with us, you around the way, it

885
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 3: ain't you like they already know how me and Gil rolling.

886
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 3: It ain't no shit, it ain't sugar coating, and we

887
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 3: not like the traditional platform. We just us and we

888
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 3: kick it. And some of these people that y'all see

889
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 3: as what we kicked, they call us and we facetiming

890
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 3: us and we laughing about regular ship all the time.

891
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 3: So when you come and get with us, we're platform

892
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 3: whereas the like not not like most of these other

893
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 3: platforms where it's just free to be you. You just

894
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 3: be be yourself.

895
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 2: You know, people really thought with strippers after you guys

896
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 2: came on and joked about it.

897
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: And shaping you know, both of you, both of you.

898
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 3: I had a couple of nights. I had a couple

899
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 3: I had a couple of nights, you know, but I

900
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 3: ain't you know, I ain't keep going, but you know,

901
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 3: it is what it is.

902
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 2: It was like literally people would come up to me

903
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 2: and be like, yeah, you know, there used to be strippers.

904
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 2: I'm like, first of all, that was in the past,

905
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 2: and it's nothing.

906
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 3: Wrong with that.

907
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: Yes it is off the hook.

908
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 3: Was off the hook for me.

909
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: So how do you feel now? I'm a good intentions.

910
00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: I know this is not your first book, but.

911
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 3: This this is my first day this is my real book.

912
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 3: This is one. The other ones was independing I put.

913
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: Out, but this is the big one, right yea, because

914
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 2: I had the other one too, so this is the

915
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 2: big one, all right.

916
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: So how was it for you? Even like revisiting?

917
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 2: I know you talk about this and like you said,

918
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 2: you give a lot of yourself, you know when you

919
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 2: tell your stories. But now this is like condensed in

920
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 2: one book. How was it for you going through the

921
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:22,240
Speaker 2: whole process of writing?

922
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 3: It was good, you know, just having you know, I

923
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 3: had a great writer, Raquel da Zeus. She helped me

924
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 3: with the book. Yes, yes, you know what I mean.

925
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 3: I had shout out to her, shout out to Aana

926
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 3: Bands and who did the forward I saw that. Shout

927
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 3: out to Jonathan Million, shout out to Simon Shuston Galla

928
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 3: the book thirteen eight for making this possible. You know.

929
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 3: It's a good process, you know, and especially when you

930
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 3: do the audio book, it's just like I'm laughing at

931
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 3: so much stuff because it's like I'm a crazy you know.

932
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 3: And then want my grandma she sees to see the

933
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 3: craziest thing. That's when I give it to Nanny. So

934
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 3: the first copies I gave it to Nanny, and Nanny

935
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 3: says she read it and like a night. Yeah, it was.

936
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: I plan on reading it as soon as.

937
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 3: Nanny said you was a bad ass. I knew you

938
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 3: did a lot of stuff, boy, but she was telling

939
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 3: you from the beginning. Nanny. Nanny always was like, you know,

940
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 3: and to see how she'd be ninety September thirty of

941
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 3: shout out to Nanny. You know, it was just like,

942
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,919
Speaker 3: it's just a good feeling. But the audiobook, y'all gonna

943
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 3: love that.

944
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I can't even imagine what it's going

945
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,479
Speaker 2: to be like hearing you rearing your voice.

946
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 3: But you was wow though, because listen, I just was like.

947
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 2: Mask on.

948
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 3: No, you know why, because I didn't listen. Let me

949
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 3: explain something to you about when I know, growing up,

950
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,720
Speaker 3: I just was out there running around living it was crazy.

951
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 3: I didn't give a I didn't give a so, so

952
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 3: imagine on this side while make it happen so much

953
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 3: because I don't give a fo.

954
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 2: You know what though, being to being able to disconnect

955
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 2: from how you back then, you were able to disconnect

956
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 2: yourself from what you were doing right and the fact

957
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 2: that like a woman could be screaming, yelling, but in

958
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 2: your head you're like, I'm not going to shoot her.

959
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: I'm not going to kill her. It's no big deal.

960
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: It's not her money.

961
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 2: Like all the excuses that people make for why they

962
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 2: do certain things, acting like Okay, well I'm robbing the store,

963
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 2: but it ain't that money.

964
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: What are they so mad at me?

965
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 3: It is the impact of crime. Like see impact on

966
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 3: crime and I ain't gonna front this one class I

967
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 3: tak in jail. This shit was. Impact on crime is

968
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 3: the impact that it had, not just for the person

969
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 3: that you're committing the crime, their family when they hear

970
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 3: about what happened, your family, the community. So it is

971
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 3: deep no matter how you try to word it. Crime

972
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 3: is crime, long is wrong, right is right.

973
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: That's interesting.

974
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 2: My girl, Topeka Sam, she was up here and she

975
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 2: was talking about when she went to jail, and she

976
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 2: was saying how she really felt like she hadn't done

977
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 2: anything wrong until she met somebody who was born addicted

978
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 2: to drugs because her mom was taking drugs and you know,

979
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 2: she was helping drug dealers like you know, transport, and

980
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 2: she was like at that point, I was like, let

981
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 2: me just sit here and do my time because you

982
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:57,879
Speaker 2: don't realize that you did something.

983
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: You don't make every excuse, no, no, anybody.

984
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 3: One thing about me. I was a time machine. I

985
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 3: did my time. I ain't doing no complaining in the wind.

986
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 3: And that's why why you think, you know in our community,

987
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 3: a lot of dudes, come on, man, I ain't come

988
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 3: on man.

989
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: You came happy.

990
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 3: It's own. It's lovely out here. I never was because

991
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 3: I couldn't blame nobody. I just I made. I made

992
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 3: the decision to do the dumb ship I was doing.

993
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 3: It ain't nobody fault. If you ain't send me no money,

994
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 3: you ain't visiting me, there ain't your fault. I'm gonna

995
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 3: do this time, and I'm gonna come home and I'm

996
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 3: gonna live.

997
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 4: Uh.

998
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 2: And now you've got a tour for this book, and

999
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 2: I can't just imagine. First of all, I know this

1000
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 2: is gonna be super lit because everybody's gonna come out.

1001
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: To see you.

1002
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 2: I want to tell y'all how hard it was to

1003
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 2: get a while to come up here. You're so buckd

1004
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 2: and busy all the time.

1005
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 3: But I'm up here with I mean, listen, listen, Oh no, no, actually,

1006
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 3: I'm ready gonna I'm gonna do a couple of residency

1007
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 3: and the magic mic when they got me herelined they

1008
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 3: got me herelined there. Ever since, Yeah, they're gonna have

1009
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 3: me hairline there residency in Vegas, So come out and

1010
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 3: check me out. I mean, so we can see me there.

1011
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: But everything starts in the Bronx with you're gonna be.

1012
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 3: You won't be in the Bronx at the Data book

1013
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 3: drops September tenth. We're going to be in New York City,

1014
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 3: So I don't care what barrow you from. Get to

1015
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 3: the Bronx where hip hop started, and we're going to

1016
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 3: you know, some new stuff going to start that day.

1017
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 2: No, I'm definitely honored to be able to be on

1018
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 2: that kickoff and the Bronx in New York City, to

1019
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 2: be able to sit down and talk to you about

1020
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 2: your book arms with good intentions when I tell you

1021
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:24,479
Speaker 2: an amazing read for anybody, like just really great, really

1022
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 2: well told, and.

1023
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: You know, I'm very honest.

1024
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 2: If you to be able to share this with us

1025
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 2: and talk to me a little bit about working with

1026
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 2: Reform Alliance to as the CMO, I just want to

1027
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 2: know what that means to you, because I think it's

1028
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 2: a perfect fit for them.

1029
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's just like you know, you can't

1030
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 3: teach what you don't know. You can't leave where you

1031
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 3: don't go. You can't have a person.

1032
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 4: You know.

1033
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 3: I'm a person that that's from this. I'm a person

1034
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 3: that did the time. I'm a person that's connected to

1035
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 3: the issue. I'm a person that's right there with the

1036
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 3: people that's affected, like in real time. I remember I

1037
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 3: even did stuff with a Probation and parole in Philadelphia

1038
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 3: before where so I help over like four hundred people

1039
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 3: get reinstated. They was on a run and I did

1040
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 3: a call one time, shout out to Pastor Whaller, shout

1041
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 3: out the Christian Stevens from the Pennsylvania Parole Board, shout

1042
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 3: out to the district attorney and the phill up your courses.

1043
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 3: In twenty eighteen when we did this, and what happened

1044
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 3: was they got with me. They was like, listen, while

1045
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 3: though I know it sounds crazy, but we want people

1046
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 3: to turn themselves in and we're gonna let him walk

1047
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 3: out of this church. Pastor Waller said. Shout out to him.

1048
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 3: He said, We're not doing this. If y'are any funny business,

1049
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 3: we shutting this down. He got a big, big church

1050
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 3: in Philadelphia, and I got on social media and I

1051
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 3: got four hundred people to come down there and turn

1052
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 3: themself in. And it was crazy because because I'm outside,

1053
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 3: I'm outside, right, I'm like, y put my I said,

1054
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 3: don't put my wrap on the line like you bad.

1055
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,919
Speaker 3: You got boys pulled up kill me. No, I ain't

1056
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 3: worry about getting so. So I'm down there right, I'm

1057
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 3: down there right. And this this was this years ago.

1058
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 3: This is what the pennsylvani pril. So I'm down there right,

1059
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 3: and uh, boys pulling up, ruled down the window, wallow man,

1060
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 3: what's up with this ship? Minute? And I'll be but

1061
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 3: I said, I tell them certain cases, right, I broke

1062
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 3: the cases there so they'll pull up. You know. I

1063
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 3: got to keep going enough, just keeping you, just keep

1064
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 3: for you, the same for you, this same for you

1065
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 3: and just.

1066
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: But but but it was like but like certain people

1067
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: is pulling up and he was like, NA, we got you.

1068
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 1: You good.

1069
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, But it's like, you know, it's not just that

1070
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 3: I gotta my non profit Wallow two six seven Foundation,

1071
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 3: where I'm be helping provide resources. Did you and our

1072
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 3: fenders when they come out of jail.

1073
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: Right because you because it's what you needed.

1074
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, because like you know, you know, your nephew come home,

1075
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 3: your little cousin come home, he come home. Like in

1076
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 3: a lot of times in these juvenile facilities, then that

1077
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 3: they be playing games.

1078
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: And I'm going to do too much.

1079
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,280
Speaker 3: They don't have no real resources teaching them real education,

1080
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 3: teaching them technology, teaching them, you know, getting them job experience,

1081
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 3: getting them real stuff, like getting them a.

1082
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 2: Code, because a lot of times those kids are so smart,

1083
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 2: but they're just using their intelligence.

1084
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 3: And I just that and I always believe in like

1085
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 3: because I was just telling them a videography. I was like, damn,

1086
00:42:58,239 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 3: I got to do a program in Philly Wars though.

1087
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 3: I get like one hundred kids and get them and

1088
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 3: get some coaches that could teach them how to make games.

1089
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,879
Speaker 3: Because our children, our kids, they know how to play

1090
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 3: the game, they know how to master the game, so

1091
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 3: they need to know how to make the game.

1092
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 4: Right.

1093
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 3: Fuck all that y'all know how much money y'all spending

1094
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 3: on these games with cousins and nephews and little kids.

1095
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 3: They're sitting there, they'll go crazy, So why are we

1096
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 3: not making no games?

1097
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: Right? And even think about yourself.

1098
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 2: How you at that time you were reading and education

1099
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 2: was below the level that you were supposed to be on.

1100
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 2: But now look at the super intelligence that you had,

1101
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 2: it just wasn't being activated.

1102
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, and even now we got to be real careful

1103
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 3: because a lot of these school districts they I'm talking about,

1104
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 3: they passing kids just to be passing kids. No kids

1105
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 3: left behind. And it's like hold up, put up, hold up,

1106
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 3: you're making them dumb like that, Yeah, because you know

1107
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 3: you're seeing grades, You're like, hold up.

1108
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: Then that used to be like a dam Yeah, how

1109
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: did you get it? I don't want to deal with

1110
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: this anymore?

1111
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 2: And they also know they get certain benefits and financial

1112
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 2: support when they are able to passing.

1113
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, when they passing, it be fake. And and then

1114
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 3: next you know, a kid twenty one you can't even read.

1115
00:43:58,680 --> 00:43:59,919
Speaker 1: Teach cursive writing in school?

1116
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 4: What?

1117
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't teach kids how to write Chris, you

1118
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: don't remember that. One football.

1119
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 4: There was a sports guy, I don't know football, basketball.

1120
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 4: He was signing a contract and he said sign here,

1121
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 4: and he like, what you mean signed? And like write

1122
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 4: your name? He like how like he didn't even know

1123
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 4: how to write his.

1124
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: Name and crazy. Yeah, you don't need to know how

1125
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: to do long division enough anymore. Listen.

1126
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 2: And lastly, I want to talk about another thing that

1127
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 2: happens in the book Rick who worked with you a lot,

1128
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 2: you know, and it feels like he was a great

1129
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 2: influence for you as well. But he asked you do

1130
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 2: you love your mom? And I remember flashing back even

1131
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 2: to before that, where you were wondering where was your

1132
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 2: mother when all of this was happening, but also learning

1133
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 2: how to be able to if you want forgiveness, to

1134
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 2: also forgive me.

1135
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: We're doing the best that they can.

1136
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,760
Speaker 3: One thing about our community is this, this is important

1137
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 3: and I and I and it tapped into me one time.

1138
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 3: It was his young young brother in Philly. He was

1139
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 3: a twin and he was so angry, was like, my

1140
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 3: pop ready to come home. I don't want to deal

1141
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 3: with what do I do? While in that moment I

1142
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 3: told him, I said, listen, you got to be patient

1143
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 3: with your dad. A lot of us in the hood,

1144
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 3: we don't understand a lot of our parents had us

1145
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 3: as kids. So it was kids trying to raise the kids.

1146
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 3: When for real, for real nanny, the grandmam's is the

1147
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 3: one that really raised us, and a lot of us

1148
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 3: had to disconnect with our parents based upon they were

1149
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 3: still trying to figure out life themselves. So you know

1150
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 3: what I mean, That that right there let me know

1151
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 3: that like I love Jaqueline, people's my mom. I love

1152
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 3: her to death, And it was like I grew to

1153
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 3: understand it wasn't her, it was you know, her figuring

1154
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 3: out life, her living life. And I think that that's

1155
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 3: what really helped my heart heal and helped me be

1156
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 3: like damn, because a lot of times when you're young,

1157
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 3: you're looking for everybody to blame except yourself. And I

1158
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 3: think I got caught up in that and you know,

1159
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 3: looking for somebody to point the finger out and say ah,

1160
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 3: because it is because of this the whole time I

1161
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 3: was on some dumb shit. The whole time she was

1162
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 3: growing and you know, she gave me life and she

1163
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 3: was figuring things out for herself. And so I'm just

1164
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 3: thankful that she's still here, you know what I mean,

1165
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 3: I love her, you know, and everything is does he.

1166
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: The book read it?

1167
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 3: Yeah? She got the books. She wanted the first ones

1168
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 3: to get the books. She's like a nigga win my book.

1169
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 2: At Did you ever have like these hard conversations where

1170
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 2: you guys, even in the process of writing this, were

1171
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 2: you like let me have a sit down, or or

1172
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 2: even prior.

1173
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 3: To I think I think prior to that, we had

1174
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 3: some conversations because you know, my mom is My mom

1175
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 3: is real. She didn't play no games, and she she

1176
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 3: was to. She was to, she was she was hardcore,

1177
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 3: especially back in the day. I remember me going to

1178
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 3: jail and you know, somebody called me like I remember

1179
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 3: me calling then and she was like they was like, yo,

1180
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 3: wollowing them, wallowing us steven jail. She thought, O them

1181
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:36,399
Speaker 3: niggas be already know aybody like she was real cool

1182
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 3: and the ass whoopings was different too, you know what

1183
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 3: I mean, the good ass whoopings back in the day.

1184
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 3: But you know, Mom, Mom is mom, she know, you know.

1185
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: And what about like a void from not having your father?

1186
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 3: Oh, you know, it's crazy. Rest in peace to Hip.

1187
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 3: Hip was like my stepfather, my real father disappeared when

1188
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 3: I was like two three years old. Don't know what

1189
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 3: happened to him, but like I think, you know, Hip

1190
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 3: was the cloe thing, closest thing to my father. But

1191
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 3: somebody and my mom deal with that. I respect that

1192
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 3: all the mother niggas. I ain't really like the nigga,

1193
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 3: like Tyree said, I ain't like the me, but I

1194
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 3: like the Hip. So I understand what he was saying. Man,

1195
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, especially you coming to crib

1196
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 3: you see a wave cap drying on your unshower with you,

1197
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,919
Speaker 3: You're like, you know what I mean? But like Hip,

1198
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 3: Hip was like that guy. Man, he was like, you know,

1199
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,280
Speaker 3: he used to always try to prevent me from the streets.

1200
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 3: But the problem with the problem that happened that didn't

1201
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 3: Hip aka Jonathan Cuttingham, sixty year street Moon Game, West Philadelphia,

1202
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 3: they know who that is. What happened was I'm going

1203
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 3: to see him in the penitentiary as a kid. Right

1204
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 3: We look at this picture right and it was crazy.

1205
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 3: I'm going to see him as in the penitentiary as

1206
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 3: a kid. Right here, this us at the prison visit

1207
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 3: Dollars Penitentiary.

1208
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: That's Hip.

1209
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 3: That's me in the fact, that's my brother Steve rest

1210
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 3: in peace. And that's my little brother Jiloud, that's Hip son.

1211
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 3: So what happened is what happened is this prison right here.

1212
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 3: We used to go to visit a like all the time.

1213
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 3: My mom taking out we going to prison, this same prison,

1214
00:47:55,400 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 3: this is eighty seven. In nineteen ninety eight, me and

1215
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 3: Hip become cell mates there right and in two thousand

1216
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 3: and five, me and Steve become sell mees my gosh,

1217
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 3: generational coarceration. So you know what I mean, Like he

1218
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 3: go to joint right here with me and Steve, this

1219
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 3: with me and Steve with sellmates to go to prison.

1220
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 3: I d's wow, you know what I'm saying. So it

1221
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 3: was like it was deep.

1222
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 4: Man.

1223
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 2: I don't even want to give away too much of

1224
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 2: this buck. I know we talked about a lot of it,

1225
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,399
Speaker 2: but yeah, I have so much I could.

1226
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 1: I can't wait to read it. I did flip through it,

1227
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: and I love the pictures. I love the way they

1228
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: go on chronological order.

1229
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1230
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, but when you.

1231
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 2: Guys read this, I mean it is it's quite a

1232
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 2: right and it's good, you know why, because we already

1233
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:35,959
Speaker 2: know where you end up when we start the book

1234
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 2: that part.

1235
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it kind of makes you feel like at

1236
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 1: least we know he's okay.

1237
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:44,760
Speaker 4: You're feeling the relief after telling the story, like filling

1238
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 4: in all of the the gaps and the dots from

1239
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 4: the things that people don't know, like really like giving

1240
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 4: the details.

1241
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 3: Years because I think people need that, because I think

1242
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 3: a lot of people share I'm same. I think it's different,

1243
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 3: different locations, different things, but everybody share that, and sometimes

1244
00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 3: it can help people to say, damn, you know what,

1245
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 3: I still do the shot right, because you know, I

1246
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 3: could have gave up. I could have sit. Damn, I

1247
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 3: was in the system. I never looked at it like,

1248
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 3: oh I'm in the system. Done.

1249
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: I'm like when I get out, is up, it's up,

1250
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: and it's still up.

1251
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 3: It's up. I'm just and right now I'm just warming up.

1252
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 3: That's all.

1253
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 1: Would you want to find your father if he's still

1254
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: is that?

1255
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 3: I remember one day it was crazy. I thought I

1256
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 3: seen him right and it was wow, man, you know

1257
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 3: because I remember when I was a kid, Like the

1258
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 3: only thing I remember is like driving with him in

1259
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 3: the car. I remember that. Really am coming to my

1260
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 3: grandma and nanny house. I don't you know me? If

1261
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 3: I seen him, I'd be like, damn, nigga, where you

1262
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 3: been at? Like I know how I am. I have

1263
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 3: a comment like what's up? I want to be mad?

1264
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 3: Or none of that. I just talked to him like damn,

1265
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 3: what happened, what's going on? Like where you're at in life?

1266
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 3: That I got any more? You know, family, Like like

1267
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 3: it's just it will be that for me. I don't

1268
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 3: I don't think I will be upset and none of

1269
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 3: that shit, because I know, like for me growing and

1270
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 3: living life, I just look at it like you don't

1271
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 3: know how this shit gonna go, and you don't know

1272
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 3: what people is up against personally, And I know we

1273
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 3: always want to hold people accountable for some shit, and

1274
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:58,879
Speaker 3: you don't know where they be at in life.

1275
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: You don't know what happened. Yes, yeah, why he.

1276
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 3: Had to No, No, only thing. The only thing I

1277
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 3: did know was he was a big time met fan,

1278
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 3: Felo me, Dylan. Uh. He had rose voyces, benzes and

1279
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 3: all that crazy shit. He was getting money, a lot

1280
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,919
Speaker 3: of money. And one of his homies that got killed

1281
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,280
Speaker 3: the week before he disappeared and then all of a sudden,

1282
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 3: so I don't know. Yeah, he was definitely doing it.

1283
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 3: I don't know if they got him too, you know

1284
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 3: what I mean, But he was doing.

1285
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 1: It all right. Well, listen you guys.

1286
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 2: The tour is starting in the Brons on September tenth, Philly,

1287
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 2: New Orleans Houston, Miami, LA, Atlanta, Detroit, Chicago, Cincinnati, DC.

1288
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,839
Speaker 2: Make sure y'all come out and check out while armed

1289
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 2: with good intentions. You are gonna love it and you know,

1290
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 2: just real. I think definitely an inspirational story that's going

1291
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 2: to help a lot of people.

1292
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: So we thank you so much for coming there for

1293
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: heavy hope.

1294
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 3: Before I leave, listen, check out that airplanes at the hotel.

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Speaker 3: You see, I got it on. Check out that peer

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Speaker 3: Drinks for the phillyp Your sixth is Chicago Sky you know,

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Speaker 3: and anything else I got going on Wallow two six

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Speaker 3: seventh Foundation. We building it up. Oh yeah, that's the

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Speaker 3: camera right there. See I don't know y'all got all

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Speaker 3: these cameras, all these these little different cameras. But listen,

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Speaker 3: but go get this book right here. Man, it's a book, man, listen.

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Speaker 3: Get it for a friend holiday coming, Get it for

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Speaker 3: everybody in your family. They're gonna love it. You, your

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Speaker 3: grandma and your brother. Everybody's going down on with good intentions.

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Speaker 1: Check me out, all right, Well, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: It's way up, way up,