WEBVTT - Mick Shots: That's A Wrap 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:07.000 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:07.040 --> 0:00:16.840 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is nick shot 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:21.040 screening live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the official 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:25.759 Dallas Cowboys have now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Wolves, 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:34.320 and Nicky Spagnola, and it is time for mix shots 0:00:34.800 --> 0:00:41.400 Bill Jones, Mickey Spagnola, Everson Walls and what a great 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:45.840 time to be a football fan in America as it 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:49.159 is football time, not only in Texas but all across 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:52.920 the Great USA. A lot of people didn't think we'd 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:55.480 be at this point eventually, but we've got with one 0:00:56.280 --> 0:01:00.440 cut down day in the NFL on Saturday, and the 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:04.120 Cowboys have begun preparations as we speak for the Los 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:08.400 Angeles Rams a week from Sunday. Micky, it's a great 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:10.880 time to be alive in America as it isn't Oh, 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:13.320 it certainly is, Bill, And you know what, we had 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:17.479 football outdoors on a grass field today for practice, so 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:22.800 moving right along. That new field is down and ready 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:26.760 to go. Didn't rain any here this morning, so the 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:30.240 Cowboys were able to practice outdoors. And yeah, I don't 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:32.080 know if everybody thought we were going to get to 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:36.000 this point, but we're here, and it looks like it 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:38.560 just might work, at least for this first week of 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:43.600 the season. Ever, since we're getting this season ready to 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:46.720 go just under the gun, just like Mickey got here 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:50.240 for mix shots, just under the gun. Right. Well, whether 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:53.680 I like it or not, I'm the pessimist of this group, 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:56.640 and I must admit I didn't even think we get 0:01:56.720 --> 0:02:01.840 this far. So I'm a little bit optimistic now. Uh My, 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:04.480 my optimism was a little bit taper today because I 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:07.280 thought Mick was gonna miss the whole show. All right, 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:09.240 So you want me to pull back to Carton and 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:15.000 tell you what happened? Yes, I was in dire need 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:19.720 uh to go to the eye doctor because my glasses 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:24.840 I sat on him and they were no longer workable. 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:28.359 They were about in bad shape as my bicycle. Okay, 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:31.360 so now, so you haven't been buying your bike, so 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:33.960 your ass it's probably pretty big right now. Yeah, right, No, 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:39.480 I've been riding the stationary bike, you know. I tell 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:44.440 you I set to use now because I was gonna 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:49.280 use Derek Douglas Barraclough's office because he hadn't been coming in. Well, 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:52.160 he came in to day so anyway, I had I 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:56.200 a doctor appointment, and I rushed back here just in 0:02:56.280 --> 0:03:00.760 time to do my fan report that's usually at twelve twenty, 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:04.399 but it was at eleven twenty today because I think 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:08.640 the Arrangers had an afternoon game. Ye, So I walked 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:11.120 in just as they were going to me, and then 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:13.560 I told them I have to be done at eleven thirty, 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:16.519 and so we were done at eleven thirty, and here 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:20.519 I am. I don't know about that, spags. If this 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:23.760 was Eddie Robinson or Tom Landry, you would have been fined. 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:27.520 If you're on time, you are late. Let's remember that. 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:32.400 So yeah, and for Joe Abazanos on time, I was 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:36.320 ten minutes late, and Nicky. There are a lot of people. 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:38.119 There are a lot of people who think you sat 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:40.360 on your glasses a long time ago, and so they're 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:42.800 very happy to hear that you now I have glasses 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:44.880 where you know, I get some new ones, so maybe 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:50.000 you can see right right. So what's your take on 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:53.360 this football team now? As we are now down to 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:56.240 forty eight hours away, a little over forty eight hours 0:03:56.280 --> 0:04:00.000 away from the cut down time in the NFL get 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:03.440 down to fifty three, and had a practice this morning. 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:07.080 They were in pads this morning. Weren't they had a practice? Yes, 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:11.200 they were preseason and got another practice on Saturday. But 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:14.720 obviously the decisions will be made to buy then on 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:18.200 this fifty three man roster. Yeah. Absolutely, And they started 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:21.880 making the decisions yesterday. I believe it was up to 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:26.920 seven guys that they released, and really the only two 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:31.240 guys you know of of somewhat note would have been 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:34.280 Devin Smith, who was on the team last year. I 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:36.840 don't know what happened to him. He didn't have a 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:39.400 good training He just didn't do anything in training camp 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:44.000 to kind of stand out, so they they let him go. 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:47.720 And then Adam Redman, who was on IR the backup 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:53.839 center guard candidate, they also let him go. So you know, 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:57.520 those were the only two. You know, Mitch Hyatt had 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:01.400 it's gonna need knee surgery. They least him injured. I'm 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:05.400 sure he'll clear waivers and he'll go back onto injured reserve. 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:08.800 So they started whittling down the eighty to get to 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:12.320 fifty three. And you know, if you look at it, Bill, 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:16.400 you know they've got a few decisions to make here 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:19.440 and there, but nothing major. I don't think, and I 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:21.919 don't see any you know, we get to this point 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:24.039 and it's always, well, is there going to be a 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:27.040 veteran that's gonna get let go that you didn't expect? 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:30.760 And I just don't see that happening now. Davin Smith. 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:33.320 That was a young man from Ohio State. Correct, Correct, 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:37.599 And remember he had the really good game the first 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:42.800 game he got in there, and then he kind of faded. 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:46.839 And one of the reasons why is they they he 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:51.680 didn't play special teams, and so they started using Ventel Bryant, who, 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:54.200 by the way, a couple of days ago suffered a 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:56.720 knee Well it was at the Cowboys night, right Bill, 0:05:57.000 --> 0:06:00.480 He suffered the knee injury in the warm up. So, 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:03.000 uh yeah, it was a shame because I thought this 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:05.279 guy had some talent and he certainly I did too. 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:07.800 I did two spacks, I really did, and they just 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:11.040 couldn't find a spot for him. So, you know, maybe 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:13.000 they it was one of those things where they do 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:16.160 a veteran, kind of a veteran guy of favor, let 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:19.000 him go early, give him an opportunity to latch on 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:22.040 maybe with somebody else. Now, that would be a good 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:25.480 thing because you know, and Bill will talk about it. 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:29.520 You've got a great talent coming in as Ceedee Lamb. 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:33.720 That kind of ups your upsta Anne just a little bit. Uh, 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:37.080 you gotta bring it now. Whatever you were doing last year, 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:40.479 which was, you know, somewhat adequate. He had that touchdown 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:43.520 first game of the season, beautiful touchdown, by the way, 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:45.960 gave us a lot of hope and optimism for him. 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:48.640 Then all of a sudden, you don't hear anything from 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:50.880 him for the rest of it, for the entire year. 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:53.839 And now here he is in training camp. You got 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:56.400 Ceedee Lamb coming in making plays, You've got this this 0:06:56.560 --> 0:06:59.520 great wide receiver corps. You gotta step your game up 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:02.240 a little bit. You gotta do something different from last 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:04.640 year because now you've got all these studs coming in 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:07.000 here from college, and you've also got two studs that 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:10.480 were already here in Gallop and the Cooper. So I 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:12.720 guess he just did step his game up. Yeah, And 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:16.200 then if you factor in the fact that Cedric Wilson 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:20.360 was healthy and really didn't he was one of the 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:22.480 stars of training camp. You know, it kind of goes 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:25.800 under the radar, but he had a really good training camp. 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:29.480 Former I believe it was sixth round pick Boise State, 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:32.360 and then Noah Brown kind of came out of nowhere 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:35.239 and had a good camp. So there's your five right now. 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:38.400 So now their question at wide receiver, are you good 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:42.120 with five or do you want to keep a six guy? 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:46.280 And and so we'll see where that decision goes. I'll 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:50.440 point out we are on periscope as usual. I'm monitoring periscope, 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:53.120 so if you have any comments, any questions, I can 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:56.960 pass them along, and also monitoring Twitter as well. I'm 0:07:56.960 --> 0:08:01.160 at CBS eleven Bill Jones or Mick Shots. You can 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:04.880 follow along there and ask any questions as we go along. 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:07.760 So at the wide receiver position you're making, you're thinking 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:11.160 to keep five the obviously the big three Cedric Wilson 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:14.040 and Noah Brown. And then and when what happens with 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:18.560 Ben Tell Bryant. Yeah, we'll see with his injury situation 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:20.920 with the knee, I mean, he might be a guy 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:23.480 that you say, gosh, I really liked him. I can 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:26.800 just put him on injured reserve at the final cut. 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:30.600 And remember injured reserve this year is a little shorter 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:37.640 and there's more movement that can take place there, so 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:41.240 they may try to keep his try to keep his 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:44.760 rights because I think that they liked what he could do. Yeah, 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:46.440 and he was another guy that would you know, the 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:48.360 reason he was active at the end of the year. 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:51.160 He was a special teams guy and that was something 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:54.600 that like I said, Devin Smith wasn't and Cedric Wilson, 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:57.559 you know, he would be one of their top two 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:00.840 punt returners if you figure Seat Lamb if they're going 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:02.680 to allow him to do that. But if they don't 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:06.840 want him to do it full time, then Cedric Wilson 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:10.520 was doing it some last year. So yeah, five for sure, 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:14.240 and then we'll see where I'm not sure anybody else's 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:17.800 you know, John V. Johnson had a really nice last 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:20.439 couple practices. I don't know if that's going to be 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:23.600 enough to get him on the fifty three man roster, 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:26.520 but I think it could get him on the practice squad. 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:30.520 And remember the practice squads expanded this year to sixteen guys, 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:34.320 and you have four spots that have no limit on 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:36.760 ac crude seasons, so you could put a veteran on 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:40.040 there if he clears waivers because at four or six 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:44.160 I thought it was six spots or six spots, you're right, sorry, yes, yeah, 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:47.240 And so I mean that's huge now, but they can 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:52.280 protect up to four each week, right, correct, And then 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:55.280 the other aspect, maybe we go through this practice squad. 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:58.520 The situation, it's all because of COVID. I mean, you 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:00.800 got a fifty three man roster, they cut down two 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:04.200 on Saturday, Your game day roster is gonna be fifty five. 0:10:04.360 --> 0:10:07.720 So there's two players that can be promoted from the 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:11.560 practice squad to the game day roster and then you 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:14.520 can put them back on the practice squad without them 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:17.200 having the clear waivers for the coming week, right right, 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:21.320 And if you keep eight offensive linemen active on game day, 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:24.400 you can stretch that to forty eight man roster for 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:27.720 the game day instead of forty six. Yeah wow. So 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:33.480 so anyway, and that's so it's gonna be very interesting. 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:37.160 Of course, the cutdown is on Saturday afternoon, and then 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:40.400 they clear waivers what by noon on Sunday, and then 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:43.920 that's when the sixteen man practice squads are being put together. 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:47.679 It's gonna be interesting with veteran players. I mean, you 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:52.280 can be a crusty old, fifteen year veteran, easy on 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:56.800 that crusty old okay, and be on the practice squad. 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:01.200 I like, no, no, you're exactly right. So the waiver 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:04.720 claim ends at eleven o'clock and then at noon you 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:08.240 can start signing guys to your practice squad. And Bill, 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:11.480 that was one reason. And you know you were there 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:15.320 Sunday night and you understood what they were doing. One 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:17.840 reason why if you're gonna put sixty guys sixteen on 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:20.760 your practice squad, and you're probably not poaching off somebody 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:23.440 else's because you haven't seen those guys. So you want 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:26.719 to keep as many as your own guys probably as 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:29.560 you can. And they just didn't want to expose those 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:34.560 guys out there because it was being streamed Bill Jones 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:38.160 calling everything. So that's why there was no numbers on 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:41.280 those jerseys, right, because Bill would have been all over 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:44.400 all eighty of those guys that were playing, and they 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:48.640 didn't want to help out the opposition. Bill, Bill, please 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:51.960 don't help out the opposition. Well, yeah, I made sure 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:54.760 it's so accurate in everything that you do. This is 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:56.959 a time that we need you to just treat And 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:02.320 by the way, Sean mcvain, he admitted in his press conference, 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:05.720 I think it was yesterday that he did watch the 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:09.240 Cowboys scrimmage and reporters asked him about it, and he said, 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:12.600 they didn't show anything, and so mission accomplished. As far 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:16.920 as the Cowboys archid. I know fans out there, you 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:19.640 had to be aggravating because you're thinking you're gonna be 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:22.640 able to watch a scrimmage. I never advertised it myself 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:24.480 that we're going to be seeing a scrimmage. It was 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:27.240 Cowboys night. This is Cowboys night. This is your chance 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:30.840 to watch Cowboys on the sideline. And the whole reason 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:35.240 for that was answered in Sean mcvay's press conference yesterday 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:37.600 in La where he said, yeah, I watched, so they 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:41.000 didn't show anything. So there you go. Hey, those other 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:44.400 teams pay attention to what we do here, and you know, 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:47.320 we get a lot of access to do stuff on 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:52.320 Dallas Cowboys dot Com. So yeah, you gotta watch out 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:53.640 for that. You know, last year, I don't know if 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:56.520 I told you this story. I was going up from 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:59.360 the sideline at AT and T Stadium. The Cowboys were 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:05.760 playing Philip Alfia and their radio analyst um former wide receiver, 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:09.200 and he got on the elevator at the same time 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:13.240 and all I said, Hi, introduced myself. I said, I 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:15.800 remember you when you were playing. He goes, oh, I know, 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:18.600 I know who you are. He goes, week week, the 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:21.040 week of the game, we tune in the Dallas Cowboys 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:22.840 dot Com all the time. He goes, you guys are 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:26.840 really good. We probably get we're really good at spilling 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:29.440 all the secrets. That's what they're telling you. Yes, so 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:31.440 you gotta you have to tone them that down just 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:33.800 a little bit. I gotta admit, guys, I was very 0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:38.160 uh tickled by, uh, this little cat and mouse thing 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:40.320 that we have going here. I mean here, we've got 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:44.120 this dire situation here in this country, and that lays 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:47.320 out certain rules for different teams to abide by, and 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:50.199 here they are trying to pull pull the wool over 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:54.600 everyone's eyes. And this is this is just gamesmanship at 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:57.480 its finest. This is what I'm seeing right now. So 0:13:57.520 --> 0:13:59.000 we don't care what the heck is going on off 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:01.080 the field at this point, as much as you know 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:04.640 it is pretty serious. Let's see how we can sneak 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:07.400 some plays in. Let's see how we can sneak some 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:11.480 practices in and still be as undercover as possible while 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:13.920 being right out front with everyone. I think that's pretty 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:18.719 dog on ballsy coming from all the different coaches. McCarthy 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:21.480 is one of them. I had spags. I'm sure he 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:24.320 didn't do it, but I thought it would be interesting 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:29.760 to see what teams that had new systems coming in 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:32.680 if they played the same cat and mouse game that 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:38.040 McCarthy did for the Cowboys. Sou Spags. I'm sure you 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:40.080 didn't do it, right, I didn't. I didn't have time. 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:43.040 When I'll guaranteed you sat on your glasses, you couldn't 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:46.640 see anything. That's true too, that there was a lot 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:50.560 of teams that probably didn't have scrimmages that they televised 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:53.920 live like the Cowboys did. Because here you have to 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:57.080 you know, in a normal season, of course, the preseason 0:14:57.520 --> 0:15:01.000 would be an opportunity for not only new teams with 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:04.640 new systems to come in and practice it doing other 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:09.200 other squads. That's the good thing, but it also you 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:12.160 gotta show your hand when you do something like that. Well, 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:14.480 of course, now you don't have to show your hand. 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:17.520 I put it like this. You could show your hand, 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:19.520 but you just show the back of your cards. You're 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:21.640 not showing the front of your cards. Is that how 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:24.360 they're doing it? Well? Yeah, think about this. Ever, since 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:27.520 you know all about paranoia, right, because at the old 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:30.680 practice facility with the hotel at the end of one 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:36.040 of the of the field their days in right, Yeah, 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:38.840 Texts would buy out the second floors because he was 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:41.920 worried the Redskins during Redskins Week would have a spy 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:45.400 up there renting a room to watch practice. And I 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:49.280 believe that's true because when you start thinking about George Allen, 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:52.680 the late George Allen, former coach of the Redskins, when 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:55.560 you think about all the antics that he pulled while 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:59.120 the Cowboys and Redskins were having their rivalry, I could 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:01.640 see him doing something like that. Do you ever have 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:06.120 to take a cold shower in RFK after a game? Uh? No, 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:09.240 I have not, no, thank goodness for that. That's old 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:12.240 school walk. Garrison told me the story. They came in 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:15.560 and after the game and the shower the hot water 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:18.000 was turned off, and he said, I ain't getting in there, 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:19.640 and he just kind of got on the plane with 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:24.320 all the grime on him, probably in his uniform. If 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:28.920 you know wal Garrison, you know about spying on other 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:31.480 teams or whatever. There's all sorts of different ways that 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:35.520 teams can get information about other teams. And Rich Dalrymple 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:39.160 prior to the Cowboys night broadcast the other night reminded 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:42.200 me of a story from a Super Bowl twenty eight 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:46.240 Jimmy Johnson. You know, that was a year that the Cowboys. 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:48.320 There was there was only one week in between the 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:51.840 conference championship games and the Super Bowl, so the Cowboys 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:56.000 went straight to Atlanta for that week. And so Jimmy 0:16:56.160 --> 0:17:00.000 one day that week, Jimmy Johnson was in his hotel room, 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:03.880 probably drinking a Heideken or two, and it had his 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:06.399 TV on, and there was a television report. There was 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:11.479 a TV reporter who was broadcasting from the Bills practice site. 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:15.520 You could see the Buffalo Bills practicing in the background there, 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:18.399 and so Jimmy starts looking a little bit closer at 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:21.320 the screen, looking not paying any attention to the reporter 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:24.040 or what he was saying. He was looking at what's 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:26.639 going on with the Bills back there, and he sees 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:30.520 he sees them run a shovel pass to Thurman Thomas, 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:33.800 Jim Kelly with a shovel pass to Thurman Thomas. And 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:36.080 he said, whoa wait a second, what is that? So 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:39.000 we called Butch Davis up and said, Butch, in all 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:42.080 our work on the Bills. Have we seen them throw 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:44.800 a shovel pass? And but no, they have not run 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:47.679 a shovel pass. There's no time this season they run 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:51.600 a shovel pass. Okay, So fast forward to Sunday in 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:55.240 the Super Bowl, and the Bills run a shovel pass 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:58.800 and James Washington was right there to put a stop 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:02.239 to it. They had a emmlar played later in the 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:04.240 game that wasn't a shovel pass, but it was a 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:09.199 similar concept and Leon let force to fumble, James Washington 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:11.640 picked it up and ran fifty yards for a touchdown. 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:14.440 Two huge plays in the game. But that shovel passed 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:16.480 was something that they picked up just off a local 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:19.199 TV broadcast. Well, Bill, let me let me tell you 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:23.720 opposite paranoia of the Bills. So when they were in 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:28.360 the Super Bowl the year before playing the Cowboys, it 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:31.760 was in Minneapolis, right, and they were at they were 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:36.399 practicing indoors at the University of Minnesota, and I was 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:40.040 the pool reporter for the AFC team, so I got 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:44.320 to watch practice and just basically right a sanitized report. Well, 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:49.520 the Bill Polian and their security guys saw the lights 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:54.240 come on on the second floor where the Minnesota coaches 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:58.760 offices were and they went crazy. They went and found 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:02.200 somebody to go up there, closed those curtains and turned 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:05.000 the lights on, right, And I was like, oh wow. 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:09.320 So the next year they're practicing at Southern Cow and 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:13.639 the Southern Cow h football field they were practicing on 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:21.240 at the end of it was the campus pool. They 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:24.880 wanted them to shut down the high dive because they 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:31.280 were worried that somebody would have been spying on the practice, right, 0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:34.280 And so I'm watching this and they're I mean, they're 0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:37.520 going nuts. And then the next thing I hear is 0:19:37.680 --> 0:19:41.560 there was a dormitory, a high rise dorm and there 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:44.840 were students out on the balcony that overlooked the field. 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:48.320 They wanted them to shut down that dormitory, don't let 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:50.800 them out there. And I'm thinking, you ought to be 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:53.600 a little bit more worried about stopping Emmett Smith and 0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:56.640 worrying about the students that probably don't even have any 0:19:56.720 --> 0:19:59.560 idea what's going on on that field. And I was right, 0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:03.240 because they didn't worry about him at Smith or Troy Well. 0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:07.000 I mean, you know, you talk about the shovel pass, 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:09.720 you talk about all of that. It didn't make much 0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:11.680 of a difference in the game. I mean that those 0:20:11.720 --> 0:20:14.200 were big plays Bill, as you mentioned they turned out 0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:17.920 to be, but to me, those were just uh stack plays. 0:20:18.320 --> 0:20:20.359 By that time, the game was pretty much all the 0:20:20.400 --> 0:20:22.720 way out of hand. Well no, no, this is the 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:28.560 game in Atlanta. This was the close one in Atlanta. Interesting, Yeah, yeah, 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:32.359 so uh and so yeah, the Bills needed to be 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:36.200 more concerned about that TV reporter doing a stand up. 0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:40.199 Could you imagine someone on the high dive with a 0:20:40.359 --> 0:20:43.840 with a big camera on his shoulder. Yeah, tried to 0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:47.239 get and you know how laid back people in La are. 0:20:47.359 --> 0:20:50.720 I'm sure those students had no clue what was going on, 0:20:51.119 --> 0:20:53.600 but I was. I was interested in watching it, right, 0:20:53.680 --> 0:20:57.880 And I remember, you know, they they practiced pretty light, 0:20:58.000 --> 0:21:01.919 and I know Jimmy had him knocking heads over at UCLA, 0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:04.760 and so the I want to say it was the 0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:10.280 Thursday practice, maybe it was Friday, and they weren't in pads, 0:21:10.760 --> 0:21:14.240 and I looked out on the field and Shane Conline 0:21:15.520 --> 0:21:18.840 made made eye contact with the coaches on the sideline 0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:22.440 and it was like the practice was running a little long, 0:21:23.080 --> 0:21:25.520 and he huld up his wrists like this, and he 0:21:25.560 --> 0:21:28.200 had a watch on and it was like, Hey, time 0:21:28.280 --> 0:21:32.960 to quit, and I'm going this team's in trouble. Oh yeah, 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:35.160 you know, it's not like they hadn't lost one Super 0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:40.040 Bowl already. Yeah. No, they hadn't lost two already. 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