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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Totle Podcast, brought

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Speaker 1: to you by Citizens, the official bank of the Giants.

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Speaker 2: I'm John Schmelk.

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Speaker 1: Last week we took a look at all the assistant

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Speaker 1: coaches the Giants brought over from the Baltimore Ravens. Today,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna focus in on some of the Giants coordinators

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Speaker 1: that they brought in, well two of them, and then

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Speaker 1: one other high level assistant. So we're gonna have Matt

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Speaker 1: Derek from the Chiefs. He's gonna talk about Matt Naggy,

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Speaker 1: and then we're gonna have a Titans guest and he's

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about Dinard Wilson, the Giants defensive coordinator, and

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Speaker 1: Brian Kallen who they brought in to be on the

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Speaker 1: offensive staff. And now we begin our look at the

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Speaker 1: Giants coordinators with Matt Derek, who is the Chiefs beat

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Speaker 1: writer for Chiefs Digest.

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Speaker 2: Matt, good to talk to you, and my friend, how

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Speaker 2: are you?

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Speaker 3: I am doing well, Good to catch up with you

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Speaker 3: as well.

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Speaker 2: John, Absolutely all right.

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Speaker 1: So the Giants have hired Matt Naggy as their offensive

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Speaker 1: coordinator and he's one of these offensive coordinators that is

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Speaker 1: a coordinator who doesn't call play, So why don't we

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Speaker 1: start here?

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Speaker 2: He said, two stints with the Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: Right, were is his role any different in his first

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Speaker 2: And what were those roles?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it certainly seemed like his role was a little

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Speaker 4: bit different the second time around. And you know, and

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Speaker 4: you talk about calling plays, you know, the first time around, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean largely.

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Speaker 3: Andy Reid's calling the plays.

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Speaker 4: In the second stint, there was a little bit more

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Speaker 4: control that Matt Nagy had. And one of the things

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Speaker 4: that you know, the Chiefs really do is that, you know,

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Speaker 4: they're very organized, and that's one thing that Matt Nagkey

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Speaker 4: did as well. I mean, you know, this is the

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Speaker 4: doing going into the game. So you know, this is

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Speaker 4: not a fly by the city of your pants. This

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Speaker 4: is a scripted offense that Matt Nake runs and Andy

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Speaker 4: Reid runs and Matt does this exact same thing. You know,

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Speaker 4: So you're gonna have the scripted plays, but they know

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Speaker 4: what they're gonna run in each situation going into Sunday.

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Speaker 4: They've gone through every scenario. So it's a very structured

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Speaker 4: offense and Matt does the kind of the same thing

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Speaker 4: that Andy Reid wants to do.

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Speaker 1: So, so let's start there is this one of those

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Speaker 1: deals with the first ten to twelve plays of the

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Speaker 1: game are in fact very scripted.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and if you've ever watched the Chiefs game and

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Speaker 4: you've you know, seen the play sheet that Andy Reid

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Speaker 4: and Matt and Naggy have, it's very organized. So yep,

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Speaker 4: they're gonna have the first fifteen to twenty plays scripted.

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Speaker 4: You know, those are gonna be generally be first and

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Speaker 4: second down plays, but then they've got that play sheet

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Speaker 4: divided into every other scenario that you can possibly imagine. So, uh,

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Speaker 4: you know, you've got your third down plays, you've got

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Speaker 4: that's on their four minute offense, everything even down to

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Speaker 3: And that's one.

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Speaker 4: Thing that Matt likes to do is have meetings with

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Speaker 4: the quarterback and know what we're doing that with Jackson

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Speaker 4: Dark on Fridays and Saturdays after the run through to

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Speaker 4: that they're gonna run in every scenario. So all there's

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Speaker 4: not surprises that everybody knows what they're gonna do in

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Speaker 1: Now, my understanding is that Andy and Matt are super tight, right,

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Speaker 1: and they really put these game plans together as a pair.

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Speaker 2: And you know, even going back with maybe Eric b

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Speaker 2: Enemy was there, what his.

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Speaker 1: Involvement was, talk to me a little about how that

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a really collaborative process that they ran here.

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Speaker 4: And you know, everybody has a little bit of a voice,

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Speaker 4: you know, so it's not just Andy Reid calling, you know,

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Speaker 4: putting together the game plan. Wasn't Matt and Aggy. They

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Speaker 4: had a lot of people involved. So you're passing game

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Speaker 4: Pod Pinkstone was running backs coach. Everybody's got a voice,

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Speaker 4: a half dozen coaches that are involved as far as

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Speaker 4: Andy Reid, as he would always say, has fifty one

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Speaker 3: But it's very collaborative.

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Speaker 4: Everybody's got a voice, and I think that that's interesting

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, And I think how he works with

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Speaker 2: The run game.

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Speaker 1: How he works with Brian kallan former offensive coordinator kind

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Speaker 1: of from that McVeigh system, right being, you know, the

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Speaker 1: might look like. So when you talk about this collaborative effort,

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Speaker 1: you have different guys that come from different philosophies. How

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm really intrigued about that because you know, and

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Speaker 4: Matt Nagy was, I guess quarterbacks coach in twenty thirteen

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Speaker 4: when Andy Reid arrived in Kansas City, and you're with

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Speaker 4: Alex Smith and one of the things that Andy Reid did,

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Speaker 4: and you know, in addition to putting together a collectic staff,

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Speaker 4: you know, he had Brad Schilders there at that time,

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Speaker 4: Doug Peterson brought in Chris Alt, who you know, was

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Speaker 4: longtime coach at Nevada that you know, really developed a

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Speaker 4: pistol offense and brought him in just to pick his

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Speaker 3: They could put in for Alex Smith.

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Speaker 4: And that's what I see in the staff that Matt's

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Speaker 3: One. There's no egos.

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Speaker 4: You know, Matt's not afraid to have you know, other

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Speaker 3: You know, he feels like he can work with them.

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Speaker 4: So you know the fact that he's got so many

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Speaker 4: because once again, you know, there's no egos. You check

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Speaker 4: you know, the eclectic nature of the staff, but the

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Speaker 3: He's gonna draw.

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Speaker 4: On that and he has a really, like I said,

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Speaker 4: a collaboritive process that I think that that group should

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Speaker 4: some interesting ideas.

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Speaker 1: I've read that when he was in Chicago's the head coach,

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Speaker 1: he did this. I'm curious what your experience was with

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Speaker 1: him in Kansas City. How much does he go to

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Speaker 1: the players, see what they like, to see what they want,

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Speaker 2: From them in terms of putting together as game plan

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Speaker 4: Oh, one hundred percent. And you know, and it's it's

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Speaker 4: not just a quarterback, it's everybody. I mean, he will

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Speaker 4: definitely go to players and ask them what they like.

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Speaker 4: He will take feedback. That's one thing that's obviously happened

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Speaker 4: ideas and there's a there are plays that you know

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Speaker 4: it's not just like even with Patrick Mahomes, he can't

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Speaker 4: come to Matt Nagy and just say, hey, we got

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Speaker 4: this play let's let's go for it. And they may

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Speaker 4: put it in, they may practice it, but they're not

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Speaker 4: going to run it until they got it one hundred

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Speaker 4: you know he will listen to the players and and

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Speaker 4: that's why I talk about those Friday and Saturday meetings

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Speaker 3: With his quarterback.

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Speaker 4: You know, he will sit down with Jackson and say, hey,

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Speaker 4: what do you feel comfortable with this week?

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Speaker 3: What did you like? You know, what did you run?

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Speaker 4: What didn't doesn't want his quarterback running in his offense

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Speaker 4: running anything that they're not comfortable with that week.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk offensive philosophy because I think it's

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Speaker 1: hard to separate, right, Like, what's Andy Reid?

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Speaker 2: What's Matt Naggy? What does Matt really believe in?

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Speaker 1: What are his core beliefs when it comes to putting

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a really good question because you know, you're right,

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Speaker 4: it is a little bit hard to separate.

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Speaker 3: And you know, what is Andy Reid and what's Matt

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Speaker 4: So I ug a lot at what he did in Chicago,

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Speaker 4: and that's where I think you get the separation from

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Speaker 3: You know, Andy's gonna have has his.

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Speaker 4: Offense and he's gonna want to find players that he

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Speaker 4: little bit based on their skill set, but he's running

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Speaker 4: a West Coast offense. It's what they're going to do.

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Speaker 4: You know, Matt is a He's a West Coast disciple,

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Speaker 4: There's no doubt about that. But I think he is

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Speaker 4: much more willing and able to adjust his offensive scheme

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Speaker 4: And you know, you look at what they were able

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Speaker 4: to do in Chicago. I still think his performance with

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Speaker 4: to do with Mitch Trubisky in that offense, he won

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Speaker 4: games with Mitch Trubisky. I mean, he's been around the

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Speaker 4: is that he will lean into the strengths.

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Speaker 3: Of the offense.

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Speaker 4: So if You've got a ground game there in New

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Speaker 4: it's not going to be that you're gonna get away

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Speaker 4: from running the football. Matt Meggie will run it if

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Speaker 4: he feels like that's his strength. So and that's why,

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Speaker 4: again I circle back to that offense he's staffed that

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Speaker 3: So I don't know that I can really tell you.

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Speaker 4: What type of offense he's going to run in New

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Speaker 4: obviously the idea is that he's drawing from that staff.

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Speaker 1: Now, I will say a couple of things because I

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Speaker 1: looked at his Chicago stuff too, Matt, and I think

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Speaker 3: How do we make that happen?

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Speaker 2: Where have you seen? And again, it's hard to see

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Speaker 1: The Chiefs make some of those adjustments as teams have

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Speaker 1: So I got to imagine then, in terms of the

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Speaker 1: A lot of crossers right, a lot of shallow stuff,

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Speaker 4: You know, that's the position that the quarterback in Mattnaggi's

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Speaker 4: one of the focuses that you're absolutely gonna see, is

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Speaker 2: All Right, and then that about the run game.

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Speaker 2: But what has this Chiefs run game look like?

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Speaker 3: The Chiefs offensive line, I mean, they've been going multiple.

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Speaker 2: Personality wise, what your Giant fans expect from him.

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Speaker 4: Matt's kind of a reserved demeanor. I mean he's not

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Speaker 1: Matt, anything we didn't cover that you think fans need

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Speaker 4: Like I said, I think he's a really personable guy,

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Speaker 3: But he's really a first class individual. You know. I

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Speaker 3: And that'sked how I was doing. That's that's who Matt

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Speaker 4: He's a family guy, really nice guy, so I think

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Speaker 2: I appreciate the time, my friend. Tell the folks whether

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Speaker 4: Chiefs ah, you can go to Chiefsdigest dot com and

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Speaker 1: Matt, I appreciate the time and enjoy your offseason as

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Speaker 3: Hey, you as well take care of my friend.

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Speaker 1: My buddy who works for the Titans the team site,

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Speaker 2: Jim, it's good to talk to you, man. How are you, John?

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Speaker 6: I'm hanging in there. It's been a busy off season

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I look forward to seeing that. To Jim, you

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of cross pollination between the Giants and

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Speaker 1: the Titans. Between Shane Bowen coming here now, Brian Dables

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Speaker 1: with you guys, we get you know, Denar Wilson coming over.

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Speaker 1: So Brian Callahan a lot of to talk about here.

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Speaker 1: So let's start with the defensive side of the ball first.

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Speaker 1: With Denard Wilson. Give me a feel, give me like

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Speaker 1: your thumbnail twenty thousand foot view of what he is

447
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Speaker 1: as a defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 6: He's a He's a motivational UH leader guy that is

449
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Speaker 6: UH is a player that as a coach that players

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Speaker 6: have proven they are willing to fight for, willing to

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Speaker 6: play for.

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Speaker 3: You know, n R.

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Speaker 6: Wilson arrived here in a pretty tough situation, starting off

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Speaker 6: first year coordinator and UH on the team that certainly

455
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Speaker 6: needed UH some more pieces. He knew that coming in

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Speaker 6: and and uh, and then especially this past year really

457
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Speaker 6: tough on him because you know, they made several trades

458
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Speaker 6: during the course of the year. Some guys got hurt

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Speaker 6: where he was dealing with a depleted group. You know,

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Speaker 6: Roger McCurry got traded here to you know, out the

461
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Speaker 6: Los Angeles le Jerious Sneak got hurt and went on

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Speaker 6: into reserve. You know, Draymont Jones or Ed Rusher got

463
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Speaker 6: traded from here to the Ravens. And you know, it

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Speaker 6: was really just a depleted group all the way around.

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Speaker 6: And and Donard's defense kept fighting, kept playing no matter

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Speaker 6: who was out there. So he gets guys to buy

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Speaker 6: into what he's preaching. He's smart, he's great with the media.

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Speaker 6: There were several times during the course of his rookie

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Speaker 6: year here that I thought, man, this guy sounds like

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Speaker 6: a head coach. And I still think at one point

471
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Speaker 6: this guy is gonna be a head coach in the

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Speaker 6: National Football League. He just needs to get somewhere and

473
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Speaker 6: have some success, and I think more people will notice.

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Speaker 1: All right, I'll get this to the schematics in a second.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned motivational guys. He like one of these high energy,

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Speaker 1: you know, pump guys up defensive. Quint of personality wise,

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Speaker 1: is he more of a technical guy, what's his a

478
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Speaker 1: prison of players coach?

479
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Speaker 2: Is he more of a disciplinarian? What's his kind of

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Speaker 2: approach in terms of how he tries to coach his

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Speaker 2: unit up?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean he's not a guy that I noticed

483
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Speaker 6: yelling and screaming because he doesn't like to bring attention

484
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Speaker 6: to himself and he doesn't sort of didn't like to

485
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Speaker 6: call guys out publicly. But but he is just he's

486
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Speaker 6: really savvy and how he motivates players, and I think

487
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Speaker 6: they trust him. I think he knows they've got his

488
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Speaker 6: best interest in mind.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 6: You know he again, I've seen some coaches that do

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Speaker 6: yet a lot of yelling and screaming, and that's not

492
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Speaker 6: someone something that Dnord is. But he gets guys to

493
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Speaker 6: play hard and guys respect him. And if something needs

494
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Speaker 6: to be said, I think he does it privately and

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Speaker 6: I think guys respect that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no question about it. All Right, Now let's get

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Speaker 1: to this come out. It's a little bit here, Jim.

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Speaker 1: Because I went back, I watched a lot of his stuff.

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Speaker 1: In terms of blitzing, he comes from he've coached under

500
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Speaker 1: Todd Bowles, he coached under Greg Williams. So you probably

501
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Speaker 1: think this guy's bringing peat all the time, sixty percent

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Speaker 1: pressure rate, he's firing, blitzed all over the place. Didn't

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Speaker 1: really see that with Tennessee though over the last two years,

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Speaker 1: once he got the rings. Do you think that's just

505
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Speaker 1: because of what he had going on in the secondary

506
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Speaker 1: and up front he just didn't fit the talent or

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Speaker 1: do you think he is maybe less aggressive than maybe

508
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Speaker 1: some of his mentors might be.

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Speaker 6: Well, I think some of it, John, I think you're right.

510
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Speaker 6: Is it personnel. You got to know the personnel you're

511
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Speaker 6: working with, and you don't want to put guys in

512
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Speaker 6: a tough spot by by having them, you know, cover

513
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Speaker 6: people one on one and and and and be on

514
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Speaker 6: an island and getting exposed. So I think that's a

515
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Speaker 6: big part of it. I think certainly if he had

516
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Speaker 6: a group that was maybe better equipped to deal with

517
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Speaker 6: some of that, maybe you'd see him turn it loose

518
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Speaker 6: a little bit more. So. I think that's part of it.

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Speaker 6: Part of it. You know, we've got a big, you know,

520
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Speaker 6: a couple of big guys up front here and Jeffrey

521
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Speaker 6: Simmons and to Vindre Sweat, who were capable of kind

522
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Speaker 6: of disrupting things move in the pocket without having to

523
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Speaker 6: send extra blitz you know, extra blitzers. But obviously you

524
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Speaker 6: know you want to keep opponents guessing, keep the other

525
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Speaker 6: opposing team guessing. Did a great job generating pressure even

526
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Speaker 6: on toimes when they didn't blitz this past season. But

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Speaker 6: part of me thanks, Yeah, he'd love to come after

528
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Speaker 6: him a little bit more.

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Speaker 2: That makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Going from year to one a year two, the one

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Speaker 1: thing that was consistent played a ton of quarters and

532
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Speaker 1: just watching it, a lot of start with two safeties

533
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Speaker 1: deep and then you kind of like shift into whatever

534
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Speaker 1: you're going to do. Right, But I think I remember,

535
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Speaker 1: right when I had my numbers in front of me,

536
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Speaker 1: Jim a lot more man to man in year one,

537
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Speaker 1: and then year two he kind of pulled back on

538
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Speaker 1: that a little bit. What kind of evolution did you

539
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Speaker 1: see in terms of the type of coverages he used

540
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Speaker 1: from year one to year two?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that's sa to say.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 6: Part of that, again, though, I think, is maybe you

544
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Speaker 6: play a little bit more zone when you're dealing with

545
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Speaker 6: a depleted young secondary and and that's exactly what they

546
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Speaker 6: had dealing with, like some of the changes they had

547
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Speaker 6: during the course of the year. It was just staggering

548
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Speaker 6: just to see how many new guys that they're either

549
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Speaker 6: claiming off waivers or signing off of other teams practice

550
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Speaker 6: squads and just kind of throwing them into the mix.

551
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Speaker 6: And so you want to protect those guys to some degree,

552
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Speaker 6: and I think that forced them maybe to play a

553
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Speaker 6: little playing a lot more zone than what they're used to.

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Speaker 6: They had some young guys back there as well. I

555
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Speaker 6: think in a perfect world, certainly he's more even more

556
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Speaker 6: aggressive with the right personnel, maybe playing some more man

557
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Speaker 6: but a lot of that's going to depend on just

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Speaker 6: what things look like from a from a personnel standpoint.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I guess this relates to the same type

560
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Speaker 1: of question, right because he coached on their Mike McDonald

561
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Speaker 1: when he was in Baltimore. And you know, you watch

562
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Speaker 1: the Seahawks, the type of disguises they use in the

563
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Speaker 1: back end, showing one thing then playing another. It's got

564
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Speaker 1: to be hard to do that in Tennessee when you

565
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Speaker 1: got a bunch of young guys and to your point, guys,

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Speaker 1: you're picking up the scrap heap. Guys are claiming off

567
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Speaker 1: waivers that haven't been there a long time. Did you

568
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Speaker 1: really think he could have been limited in type of that,

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Speaker 1: in those types of things, because it would just been

570
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Speaker 1: too complicated for the group that you guys happen to

571
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Speaker 1: have there, because the injuries, the youth, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 6: I do, yeah, and he's I think one thing about

573
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Speaker 6: Dinara is he didn't make excuses like there were There

574
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Speaker 6: were clear occasions when guys had made a mistake or

575
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Speaker 6: had had blown the coverage, and and he he didn't

576
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Speaker 6: want to single guys out. I mean, he would try

577
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Speaker 6: to take maybe blame himself when he shouldn't have, which

578
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Speaker 6: I think deserves a lot of credit. He I think

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Speaker 6: of any you know, of the coordinators, he had to

580
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Speaker 6: deal with the most change, the most, injuries, the most,

581
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Speaker 6: Hey we're going to trade this guy to try to

582
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Speaker 6: get assets moving forward.

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 6: I'm sorry that it affects the product on the field,

585
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Speaker 6: but you got to deal with and I think he

586
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Speaker 6: had to deal with that more than anybody. But he

587
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Speaker 6: just kept doing his job. And you know, I think

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Speaker 6: there were a lot of people going back to him

589
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Speaker 6: being a potentially a head coach one day. I think

590
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Speaker 6: there were a lot of people when the Titans made

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Speaker 6: a coaching change last year and went away from buying

592
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Speaker 6: Callahan and they had Mike McCoy step in his interim coach.

593
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Speaker 6: I think there are a lot of people that thought

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Speaker 6: that Denard maybe could have been the interim head coach,

595
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Speaker 6: and I think he would have done a great job

596
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Speaker 6: from that standpoint. But he didn't complain, he didn't mope.

597
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Speaker 6: He just kept working. And I have a certainly a

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Speaker 6: lot of respect for him just how he handles his

599
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Speaker 6: business and how he holds guy's accountable without throwing under

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Speaker 6: the bus.

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Speaker 1: Last one on Wilson Jim any position or player or

602
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Speaker 1: group on that defense that you saw based on how

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Speaker 1: he coached his scheme, that he was able to kind

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Speaker 1: of elevate that group and they performed even better than

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Speaker 1: maybe you would have thought they did heading into the year.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And it's hard to I mean, sometimes it's hard

607
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Speaker 6: to know whether it's the player or the coach. But

608
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Speaker 6: like somebody like Jeffery Simmons who last year and again,

609
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Speaker 6: Jeffer Simmons deserves a lot of credit for for losing

610
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Speaker 6: weight and for focusing in the off season to turn

611
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Speaker 6: himself into a better player. But Jeffers Simons had his

612
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Speaker 6: best year as a pro. I think this past year,

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Speaker 6: which was his second year into Wilson, and I think

614
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Speaker 6: a lot of that's because of some things Dinard did

615
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Speaker 6: to help free him up a little bit. But that

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Speaker 6: was one part. And that's one position I certainly gonna name.

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Speaker 6: I think no, I like the inside bickers. I know

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Speaker 6: we may talk about Frank Bush, but you know, Cedric

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Speaker 6: Gray is a guy who really developed well under in

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Speaker 6: his first full year playing with Denor Wilson last year too.

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Speaker 1: All right, tell me about Frank Busch. That's where I

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Speaker 1: was going next, Jim, So do you bring as a

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Speaker 1: linebacker coach?

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Speaker 2: What kind of guy is he? And then just give

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Speaker 2: me a little thumbnail on him.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, great, guy like I has had two stints here

627
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Speaker 6: with this organization and as as linebackers coach and just

628
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Speaker 6: just a hardcore football coach and another guy that holds

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Speaker 6: people accountable. Frank shows up for practice a lot of

630
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Speaker 6: days wearing cleats, just like the players. That's kind of

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Speaker 6: he's an old school coach. And you know, I don't

632
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Speaker 6: think there's a player on the defense that got better

633
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Speaker 6: from one year the next then more than Cedric Gray did.

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Speaker 6: Last year. Cedric was a draft pick. He was a

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Speaker 6: fourth round pick at the time in the twenty twenty

636
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Speaker 6: four draft out of North Carolina, and his first year

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Speaker 6: he dealt with some injuries. Really kind of a learning

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Speaker 6: year for him. I think a lot of people, I

639
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Speaker 6: don't want to say people questioned him, but certainly there

640
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Speaker 6: were some question marks about him heading into this past

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Speaker 6: year because of a rookie year that didn't live up

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Speaker 6: to expectations. And Frank worked with Cedric and pushed Cedric,

643
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Speaker 6: and Cedric ended up leading this team in tackles and

644
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Speaker 6: really bought into what they were preaching. Was just Cedric Gray,

645
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Speaker 6: was James Williams. It was Cody Barton who I think

646
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Speaker 6: got better as a year went on. I think all

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Speaker 6: the guys, Frank Bush got better as the season went

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Speaker 6: on last year, and I think that's the testament to him.

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Speaker 1: dot com slash Giants. How many linebackers do you usually

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Speaker 1: see on the field? Is Wilson and Bush and they

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Speaker 1: we're going to see a lot of base defense, a

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Speaker 1: lot of two three four then nickel most of the time. Jim,

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Speaker 1: how do they kind of manage that as teams? You know, offenses? Now,

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Speaker 1: all they're trying to do is manipulate what personnels on

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Speaker 1: the field on defense? Right, So how do they answer that?

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Speaker 1: Like will they go to base if a team throws

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Speaker 1: a couple tight ends out there? Do they try to

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Speaker 1: stay a nickel? How should Giant fans expect to see

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Speaker 1: the Giants maybe adjust that on the defensive side of

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Speaker 1: the ball.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, guys, it depends on how guys covered

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Speaker 6: like that. That Titans had a you know when in

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Speaker 6: Frank's first year to ours first year here, you know,

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Speaker 6: Kenneth Murray was their inside backer who was on the

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Speaker 6: field a lot during Nickel and he got exposed a

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Speaker 6: little bit and coverage and certainly maybe that effect of

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Speaker 6: their thinking. It's certainly effected their thinking from a personnel standpoint,

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Speaker 6: because Kenneth Murray then was was shipped out of here

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Speaker 6: and then they kind of they went out and got

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Speaker 6: Cody Barton free agency and they retooled some things.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 6: I think again, the league's gotten so much away from

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Speaker 6: just guys that are in base I think you're gonna

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Speaker 6: see one guy do the majority of that stuff, and

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Speaker 6: then you're gonna have a lot of dbs playing.

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Speaker 1: Do they like bigger ends or do they like kind

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Speaker 1: of those smaller you know, Are you gonna see a

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Speaker 1: bunch of like sixty five two sixty five defensive you

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Speaker 1: know ends and edge players? Are we going to see

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Speaker 1: more like that two hundred and forty charge of twenty

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Speaker 1: five pounds speed rusher.

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Speaker 6: Well, that's a good question because and I don't know

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Speaker 6: whether the GM or the head coach of the DC

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Speaker 6: is going to decide that, but because they've done it

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Speaker 6: two different ways here, Like when Sdr. Wilson's first year here,

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Speaker 6: the GM was was Ran Carthon and they were lighter

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Speaker 6: on the outside, and and I take that back up.

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Speaker 6: Was that was that was Brigaines. The first year they

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Speaker 6: were lighter on the outside, and then they made a

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Speaker 6: concerted effort to get bigger. Last year they were bigger.

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Speaker 6: That was the whole offseason theme is to beef up,

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Speaker 6: get your Draymont Jones types, get your bigger, you know, bigger,

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Speaker 6: sturdier edge rushers. And I think that was but I

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Speaker 6: think that was more GM driven than coach driven.

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Speaker 2: How's run defense been?

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Speaker 6: I'd say that was the switch from Carthon to Berganzhi.

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Speaker 6: So they so Berganzhi's mindset was to get bigger and

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Speaker 6: thicker on the edge, and and that's that's what they

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Speaker 6: ended up doing. And and Dinard and those defensive coaches

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Speaker 6: made have worked.

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Speaker 1: Before I jump over to offense and we'll get to

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Speaker 1: Brian Callahan. How's the Titans run defense been the last

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Speaker 1: couple of years? Jim is the Giants have not been

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Speaker 1: able to stop the run for like three years now,

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Speaker 1: and it's kind of driving the fan base. Battie, So

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Speaker 1: I think they'd love to hear that Dinard Wilson is

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Speaker 1: going to show up here and fix the run. Defense

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Speaker 1: a little bit.

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Speaker 6: Well, it's certainly what they want to do. Now you've

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Speaker 6: got to have a personnel to do it. But that's

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Speaker 6: that's what they preached, is for no one to be

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Speaker 6: able to run on this and that I can't sit

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Speaker 6: here and tell you that that always happened, because you know,

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Speaker 6: there's a game against Jonathan Taylor last years. A lot

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Speaker 6: of people have tough days against Jonathan Taylor, but there's

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Speaker 6: there been a lot of a lot of games where

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Speaker 6: the defense was questioned on why it wasn't better against

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Speaker 6: the run, and some of it was, you know, is

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Speaker 6: it the scheme, is it the players, is it guys

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Speaker 6: missing assignments, is it miss tackling. I think it's a

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Speaker 6: combination of a lot of different things, but something that

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Speaker 6: they needed to get better at here.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's jump to the offensive side of the ball.

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Speaker 1: You know, Brian Callen is interesting, right, He was the

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Speaker 1: OC before he got to you guys at the head coach,

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Speaker 1: but never call plays. Then he called plays for you

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Speaker 1: guys as the head coach. What are his general basic philosophies,

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Speaker 1: especially in terms of the past game. He's a Giants

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Speaker 1: quarterback coach at past game coordinator is it mcveighish given

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Speaker 1: where he was in Cincinnati. What are some of the

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Speaker 1: core values that Brian Callahan has as an offensive thinker? Uh?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think to some agree, I think that's a good,

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Speaker 6: uh maybe a good thought on what things could look like.

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Speaker 6: It was hard to really know what he wanted to

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Speaker 6: look like here because they could never really get it

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Speaker 6: sorted with the quarterback spot. That's that's what came here

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Speaker 6: and was the choice as the head coach a couple

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Speaker 6: of years ago because of his offensive mine, because of

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Speaker 6: the success he had in Cincinnati, because the quarterbacks that

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Speaker 6: he had coached before, whether it was Peyton Manning or

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Speaker 6: Matt Stafford or Joe Burrow. But then he came here

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Speaker 6: and couldn't really get off the ground because you know

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Speaker 6: of some turnover issues and injury issues around Will Levis.

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Speaker 6: You know, herego was dealing with a rookie quarterback who

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Speaker 6: was kind of finding his way. So we really didn't

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Speaker 6: ever get a feel of what it should look like

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Speaker 6: because he couldn't really get anything settled down at the

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Speaker 6: QB position. But they obviously want to be able to

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Speaker 6: mix the run with the pass. So I'm like, I

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Speaker 6: think when Brian Callahan came here, everybody thought, well, this

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Speaker 6: is going to be high flying passing offense. There's still

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Speaker 6: big part of that philosophy is you got to be

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Speaker 6: able to run the football and established a run to

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Speaker 6: open up the pass. He tried to do that. He

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Speaker 6: didn't do that well enough a lot of weeks.

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Speaker 1: What's your sense does you want the offense to be

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Speaker 1: very vertical? Is it more of a horizontal pass game?

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Speaker 1: A lot of deep ball is more of a conservative

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Speaker 1: kind of you know, move the ball and matriculate at

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Speaker 1: his own pace down the field. How much does he

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Speaker 1: try to really kind of push the ball downfield to

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Speaker 1: make exposed to play?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Harford World, you want to hit some of those toys.

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Speaker 6: Just never really had murners that can do it. But

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Speaker 6: if you've got somebody who can open it up, yeah,

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Speaker 6: you take your shots. But then he also, you know,

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Speaker 6: especially if you're dealing with a young quarterback who's still developing,

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Speaker 6: like like Jackson Dart, I mean, you're you're you're gonna

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Speaker 6: want to give him as much as he can take.

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Speaker 6: And and I think you're still gonna want again try

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Speaker 6: to be able to run the football, but you got

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Speaker 6: to take some shots. Downfield to open it up.

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Speaker 2: No, absolutely right, I think you're right.

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Speaker 1: Anything else about Callahan you think giant Finch and no

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Speaker 1: Jim in terms of his offensive philosophies. You know what

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Speaker 1: he thinks about how he handles quarterbacks trying to develop

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Speaker 1: Jackson Darth that that you picked up in his little

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Speaker 1: bit over a year with you guys.

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Speaker 6: Well, he's smart, and he's he's even keel and he

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Speaker 6: and I don't wost say he don't get rattled, because

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Speaker 6: there were a couple of a couple of highlight reels

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Speaker 6: where he was chewing out his quarterback when he would

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Speaker 6: get frustrated. But I mentioned some of the guys he's

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Speaker 6: worked with in the past, and and uh and that

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Speaker 6: includes Burrow, and that includes Peyton, and that includes Stafford.

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Speaker 6: Enough talk to several of those guys and other people

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Speaker 6: that around him that just have raved about his patients

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Speaker 6: and raved about his scheme and raved about his ability

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Speaker 6: to scheme. Guys open we did again, we didn't see

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Speaker 6: that as much here. Just I think Brian got We'll

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Speaker 6: say he got sidetracked. But the job of a head coach,

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Speaker 6: and when you're trying to call plays at the same time,

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Speaker 6: is hard. Like he had so many other things pulling

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Speaker 6: at him that he just put his entire focus on

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Speaker 6: the offense. And there were times over the last couple

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Speaker 6: of years where where things didn't go real well. And

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Speaker 6: then obviously he gave up play calling at the early

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Speaker 6: part of last season. I don't think he really wanted

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Speaker 6: to do that. I think he did that reluctantly, but

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Speaker 6: I think it was something that people felt like he

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Speaker 6: needed to do to focus more on being a head coach.

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Speaker 6: I think now that he's back into the coordinator's spot

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Speaker 6: and doesn't have all this other stuff slowing them down,

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Speaker 6: all these meetings and people going to his office for

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Speaker 6: different things, I mean, he can go back to just

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Speaker 6: being a football coach again, and I think that's going

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Speaker 6: to benefit him well. I think it'll benefit the Giants well.

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Speaker 6: And I think you'll see him have more success again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I look forward to seeing it.

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Speaker 1: How just real quick, Jim, before you say goodbye, How

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Speaker 1: excited is the fan base about cam Ward? Are hope

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Speaker 1: still sky high for him? Giving some of the flashes

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Speaker 1: of brilliance we saw last year?

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Speaker 6: I think so. I mean, I think what's cam early

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Speaker 6: on last year it was a struggle and I think

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Speaker 6: he you know, he made some mistakes and he probably

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Speaker 6: humbled a little bit just because he's a guy that

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Speaker 6: has so much confidence. And now I think once he

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Speaker 6: settled down, I think he gave people reasons to be

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Speaker 6: more optimistic. He was much cleaner with the football in

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Speaker 6: the second half of the year. He made a lot

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Speaker 6: better decisions, He was more accurate with the football. You

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Speaker 6: could tell he was getting more comfortable. I think what

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Speaker 6: gives people hope now was that he has a staff

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Speaker 6: around him that has some experience, whether it's Brian Davile,

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Speaker 6: who I know people very familiar with there, or a

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Speaker 6: lot of the guys in the offensive staff that have experience. Now,

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Speaker 6: they just got to be better around him. You know,

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Speaker 6: he's It's one thing to be a rookie quarterback in

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Speaker 6: the league. It's another thing to be a rookie quarterback

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Speaker 6: in league when you're throwing to other rookies, and that's

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Speaker 6: what he was doing last year. So they've got to

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Speaker 6: get more veterans around him. They got to protect him better.

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Speaker 6: He got hit way too much, sacked way too much.

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Speaker 6: Lucky he didn't get hurt before he did which was

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Speaker 6: the last game of the year. Now, the focus is

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Speaker 6: on rehabbing him, getting him right, and getting him up

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Speaker 6: to speed with a new offensive coordinator. And but yeah,

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Speaker 6: I think he gave people reason to be optimistic based

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Speaker 6: on how you finish the season.

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Speaker 1: And then finally, we're trying to figure out what these

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Speaker 1: teams ahead of the Giants are to do in the

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Speaker 1: draft gym. And obviously your needs can change based on

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Speaker 1: free agency and all that sort of stuff. I get that,

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Speaker 1: But what do you think right now are some of

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Speaker 1: the biggest needs that the Titans are going to look

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Speaker 1: to fill in the offseason this year, whether it's free

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Speaker 1: agency or the draft.

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Speaker 6: I think edge rusher, receiver, cornerback or top three and

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Speaker 6: what they do in the draft, I think in a

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Speaker 6: lot of ways could be determinable what happens in free agency. Sure,

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Speaker 6: but this team needs some more speed at the receiver position.

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Speaker 6: It needs veterans at the receiver position. This team has

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Speaker 6: got to be better rushing the quarterback, especially coming off

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Speaker 6: the edge. They've got some guys who can do it

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Speaker 6: up the middle, and I mentioned Jeffrey Simmons, but edge

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Speaker 6: rushers this team's really lacking. And that's kind of it.

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Speaker 6: In the cornerback again, it's just completely depleted last year

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Speaker 6: who they had playing. And some of it's because they

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Speaker 6: dealt guys away, some of it because guys were hurt.

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Speaker 6: But that's right. When I look at this draft, there

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Speaker 6: are some several intriguing players, but I think this team

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Speaker 6: also has about one hundred million dollars in cap room,

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Speaker 6: and so maybe you attack certain things in March that

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Speaker 1: Well, it is a deep draft class in both wide

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Speaker 1: receiver and edge players, Jim. So it sounds like the

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Speaker 1: needs do match the class.

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Speaker 2: So best of luck, my friend.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate the time, and I look forward to

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Speaker 1: seeing Indy appreciate it.

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Speaker 6: Appreciate you, and enjoying those guys up there. All of

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Speaker 6: them mentioned, from Frank Buster to Nar Wilson to Brian

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Speaker 6: Kyley had all super top notch guys, so hope I do. Well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we still have we still have Charlie Bullen

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Speaker 1: too from you know here here as well who got

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Speaker 1: who got held over? So appreciate the time, Jim, enjoy

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Speaker 1: the rest of your off season, my friend, see you

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Speaker 1: next week. All right, we thank our guest today for

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Speaker 1: joining us, giving me some more valuable insight into the

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Speaker 1: Giants coaching staff, with a focus on on their core

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Speaker 1: neators and other higher level assistance here on John Harbaugh's

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Speaker 1: staff in New York.

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Speaker 2: For our guests, I am John Schmelck.

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Speaker 1: Don't forget you're watching and listening to the Johnsto Podcast,

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Speaker 1: Come with you from the Hackensack Riding Health podcast studio.

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Speaker 1: Keep getting better. We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 3: Everybody