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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha and welcome to.

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Speaker 2: Steffan Never told You production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: And welcome back for part three of what I thought

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Speaker 1: would it be like a two part episode possibly but

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Speaker 1: now has grown into a mini series. I've done it again.

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Speaker 1: It's your curse, it is my curse. There's too much happening.

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Speaker 1: But part three of whatever of our series about ice

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Speaker 1: and a border patrol as well as DHS. It's all

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Speaker 1: of them because they're kind of all in one. And

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Speaker 1: for those of you who are sticking with us, thank you.

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Speaker 1: I hope you're okay. I hope you're okay. As with before,

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Speaker 1: we are time stamping this for February eighteenth, twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: Content warning, politics, violation of human rights, separation, abused child,

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Speaker 1: porn and sexual assaults, in harassment again, violence and death,

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Speaker 1: and then some that's just overall. Anytime we're talking about

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Speaker 1: this whole situation in general, there may be brief mentions

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Speaker 1: here and there. It might just be really boring policy

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Speaker 1: stuff that is not as boring as you think because

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Speaker 1: it is life threatening. So at the end of last episode,

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Speaker 1: we mentioned that the Democrats are trying to negotiate with

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Speaker 1: the new proposal amount of the eleven billion dollars that

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Speaker 1: the president is asking for for ice and DHS for

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Speaker 1: yes in general, like to build more detention centers. What

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Speaker 1: we found out secretly because all of these news are

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Speaker 1: popping out after contracts are being completed, and then they're

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Speaker 1: getting a notice saying, hey, guess what, we're building a

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Speaker 1: multimillion dollar detention center here that you can't handle and

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Speaker 1: shouldn't be here. But whatever, the Democrats are trying to

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Speaker 1: negotiate with them, just for human decency, not even that

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Speaker 1: it shuts it down, not for less money, not for

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Speaker 1: anything else. Oh no, just to be better people essentially

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Speaker 1: and a better group of organizations. Again, though this shouldn't

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Speaker 1: even need to be a bargaining tool, is something that

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Speaker 1: has to be done as the agent seem to be

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Speaker 1: given a lot of leeway and how they operate, so

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Speaker 1: it should be one of those things that this should

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Speaker 1: be an obvious but yet it's not. And so we

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Speaker 1: once they're detained, because there's definitely no conversations about that.

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Speaker 1: It seems whatever As of today, we are currently under

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Speaker 1: partial shut down as DHS has refused to meet the

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Speaker 1: requests of the Democratic Party, which means almost nothing when

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Speaker 1: it comes to ICE and CBB operations. They will continue

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Speaker 1: their harassment and campaign against the marginalized community and their arrest,

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Speaker 1: all because of Donald Trump's recent bills that he was

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Speaker 1: able to get with hardly any pushback. I don't think

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Speaker 1: any actually, which will continue to fund their work. However,

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Speaker 1: I want to put this caveat again. We don't want

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Speaker 1: top amount. But we'll see what happens with that. Like

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Speaker 1: I said February eighteenth, we're still in shutdown mode kind of.

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Speaker 1: Oh and by the way, they're still working DHS. People

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Speaker 1: are still working, just without a paycheck. So yeah, except

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Speaker 1: for the people who are in the big wigs, they

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Speaker 1: always get their money.

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Speaker 1: I love that. And with that, let's talk about the

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Speaker 1: concerns slash leeway that they're getting and practices of ICE

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Speaker 1: kill or injure people without any recourse, which is hilariously

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Speaker 1: It's not surprising to see ICE and CBP have the

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Speaker 1: same allowance. After the killing of Renee Good, which by

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Speaker 1: It was one of the high profile cases. Again, we're

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Speaker 1: her brother was able to speak at Congress, so something

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Speaker 1: From an article written by CBC, they write, according to

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Speaker 1: Ruter's legal analysis, federal agents are generally immune from state

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Speaker 1: ICE agents, like police officers, are entitled to qualified immunity

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Speaker 1: them to look at evidence, right, right, that doesn't seem

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Speaker 1: goes unfortunately. Moving on, Vice President Jade Vance stated in

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Speaker 1: the agents were protected by absolute immunity. That's what he

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Speaker 1: this incident. According to Vance, at this time he leaned

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Speaker 1: a federal issue. That guy is protected by absolute immunity.

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Speaker 1: He was doing his job. I've never seen anything like that.

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Speaker 2: Fvance gets my blood boiling. I tell you what just.

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Speaker 1: I just love that. That's how you phrased that, because

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Speaker 1: you sounded very old like I love old school. That

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Speaker 2: You know me, And you know like all of my

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I love it. I love everybody to.

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Speaker 2: So many while professionals, they argue that this type of

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Speaker 2: a federal agent has absolute immunity for crimes they commit

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Speaker 2: a constitutional law expert at Northern Kentucky University's Salomon P.

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Speaker 2: Chase College of Law. Mannheimer said that more than one

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Speaker 2: officials can be criminally pursued by state prosecutors for conduct

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Speaker 2: it's up to the courts to ultimately determine whether they

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Speaker 1: Right now, again, this process could be difficult, probably will

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Speaker 1: be difficult no matter what state charges. Again would also

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Speaker 1: I mean, at some point they need to do something.

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Speaker 1: that's my opinion. Obviously. There are a lot of factors here, however,

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Speaker 1: because he murdered somebody. Yeah, But to put it simply,

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Speaker 1: so it can be on all these levels. However, the

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Speaker 1: So this is from protect democracy dot org. They write

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Speaker 1: the Constitution's subordinates state laws to the federal government under

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Speaker 1: the Supremacy Clause, which makes federal laws the supreme law

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Speaker 2: a bit of information from via dot org quote. The

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Speaker 2: Trump administration's expanded use of detention and rapid deportations will

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Speaker 2: drastically reduce the likelihood that people will be able to

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Speaker 2: secure legal representation to help them navigate their case. Lawyers

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Speaker 2: and the immigrant defense infrastructure that has grown over decades

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Speaker 2: to protect immigrants' rights has also come under attack. Trump

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Speaker 2: has issued an executive order accusing immigration attorneys of fraud

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Speaker 2: and threatening them with investigations and sanctions. Has also gutted

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Speaker 2: funding for critical legal services that help people facing detention

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Speaker 2: and deportation. The US Department of Justice ordered legal service

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Speaker 2: providers to cease work on critical programs, including the Legal

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Speaker 2: Orientation Program, the Immigration Court Helped Desk, the Family Group

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Speaker 2: Legal Orientation Program, the Council for Children Initiative, and the

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Speaker 2: National Qualified Representative Program, which represents people in detention who

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Speaker 2: a judge has determined cannot competently represent themselves because of

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Speaker 2: mental illness. The Office of Refugee Resettlement has also canceled

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Speaker 2: the Unaccompanied Children program, which was representing twenty six thousand

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Speaker 2: children who arrived to the United States without a parent.

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Speaker 1: So, as we talked about in past episodes, and we

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Speaker 1: talked about the fact that they refused as billions of

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Speaker 1: dollars come into their hands, none of that went to

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Speaker 1: this as in fact, they have all been cut. There

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Speaker 1: was no reason to cut this. They have money. They

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Speaker 1: have money, and they're asking for more money.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm. It got to build a ballroom, Samantha.

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Speaker 1: This is where I'm like, this is evil. You purposely

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Speaker 1: made it hard, and you made it for those who

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Speaker 1: are coming the right way, quote unquote. And I put

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Speaker 1: this very sarcastically because it makes me angry in this

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Speaker 1: conversation to that to be deterred in being able to

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Speaker 1: come about the people who have already probably contributed so

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Speaker 1: much to our community. Yeah, but I digress. With all

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Speaker 1: of that, he has laid off many immigration staff and judges,

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Speaker 1: causing more chaos and substantial delays in the system. So

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Speaker 1: those who are even trying the layoffs that was supposed

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Speaker 1: to help us, guess what, it's not helping US. Yes,

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Speaker 1: obviously this was on purpose, and instead we see a

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Speaker 1: great amount of funding going into inhumane detention centers that

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Speaker 1: are not safe nor suitable for humans at all. Again,

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Speaker 1: we'll get to that a little bit later. And though

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Speaker 1: it may seem that there was a small victory when

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court did rule that everyone had the right

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Speaker 1: to do process, we can clearly see that the undermining

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Speaker 1: of the current administration has been overwhelming and has been working.

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Speaker 1: And speaking of undermining, let's talk about how people who

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Speaker 1: do not have to wear anything to identify law enforcements

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Speaker 1: credentials are also allowed to cover up their face and

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Speaker 1: the name of protection are just doing what they want

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Speaker 1: without any accountability. So, according to the New York Bart Organization,

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Speaker 1: the Law organization is against the Federal regulations all of this, well,

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Speaker 1: not necessarily the masks, but the non identifiers. From their

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Speaker 1: press release, they wrote, the Code of Federal Regulations provision

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Speaker 1: with governing the conduct of Immigration Officers require that at

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Speaker 1: the time of the rest, the designated immigration officer shall,

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Speaker 1: as soon as it is practical and safe to do so,

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Speaker 1: identify himself or herself as an immigration officer who is

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Speaker 1: authorized to make the arrest justice police officers are routinely

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Speaker 1: required to identify themselves as law enforcement and to display

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Speaker 1: identifying information such as their name and badge number. Federal

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Speaker 1: law enforcement officers likewise have a responsibility to safeguard the

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Speaker 1: rights and safety of anyone under their authority by ensuring

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Speaker 1: a means of accountability and allowing recourse to the course

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Speaker 1: to challenge any unlawful conduct. Sounds pretty simple. They've got

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Speaker 1: billions of dollars. Why not put it in an actual

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Speaker 1: uniform and identification. Yeah, you think, And yet they have

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Speaker 1: not followed these regulations. And the next question we had

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Speaker 1: to ask, why are they allowed to cover up their

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Speaker 1: identity and their faces like all the things. Essentially, the

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Speaker 1: DHS claims they are allowed to do so because of

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Speaker 1: the fear of doxing an agent, which honestly, I will

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Speaker 1: say I have seen happen. Doxing is not great. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it is the It is against the law all of

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Speaker 1: those things. However, that doesn't mean that the agents are

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Speaker 1: allowed to do uh whatever they want covering their face,

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Speaker 1: not having to identify themselves and being able to do whatever,

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Speaker 1: also to not knowing who they are and being held

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Speaker 1: accountable is not the same thing. As doxing. Just because

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Speaker 1: we know your name, that is not doxing. Just because

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Speaker 1: we know what you look like, that is not doxing.

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Speaker 1: Could it get there? Has it gotten there? Sure? Do

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Speaker 1: we have heroes that don't wear caps that might identify

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Speaker 1: on dating apps who was ICE agents? Maybe? Is that bad?

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. I don't think that's doxing either.

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Speaker 1: You're just saying do you know who you're dating? So

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Speaker 1: there have been several reports of people impersonating ICE agents

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Speaker 1: to threaten or even harm people as of late, again

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Speaker 1: back to that press release by the NYC, bar allowing

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Speaker 1: massed ICE agents to conduct detentions also make it increasingly

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Speaker 1: likely that third party actors will impersonate federal agents and

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Speaker 1: use their anonymity to subject vulnerable population to harassment and

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Speaker 1: violence under the parent color of law. In recent months,

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Speaker 1: ICE agents have regularly refused to present warrants when requested.

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Speaker 1: Coupled with the new practice of face coverings during detentions,

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Speaker 1: it becomes nearly impossible to distinguish the conduct of an

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Speaker 1: imposture from that of an authorized agent. Even before the

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Speaker 1: apparent mass policy went into effect, arising crimes perpetuated by

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Speaker 1: individuals impersonating ice agents and other law enforcement officers, including harassment,

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Speaker 1: left extortions, assault, battery, sexual assault, and kidnapping was being

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Speaker 1: reported tragically at this writing. The suspect and the recent

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Speaker 1: shootings of men so to state legislators and their spouses

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Speaker 1: too fatally allegedly disguised himself as a police officer when

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Speaker 1: approaching them at their respective residencies at the time of

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Speaker 1: the attacks. So I have seen video upon video upon

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Speaker 1: video of people putting on a vest which you can

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Speaker 1: easily get anywhere, saying they are agents because they don't

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Speaker 1: have necessarily the badges that they need. They're just covering

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Speaker 1: up their face. They don't have actual uniforms typically like

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Speaker 1: they kind of but they don't, and they're driving unmarked cars.

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Speaker 1: So it makes it impossible to really believe who is

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Speaker 1: what and who isn't. And there's been incidents where people

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Speaker 1: are violated and just racist people who just want to

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Speaker 1: threaten and feel powerful, which is to those people few

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Speaker 1: like what the fuck moving on? Currently? A part of

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Speaker 1: the negotiations that are not happening as in like is

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Speaker 1: because we're shut down. But this is what they're asking

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Speaker 1: is that agents are not allowed to hide their faces,

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Speaker 1: which the DHS is not agreeing to, even though technically

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Speaker 1: is not a policy for agents to be in masks,

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Speaker 1: Like that's not something that is a thing there. And

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Speaker 1: again just to put this like asterisks, like most of

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Speaker 1: those people who love ICE are the same people who

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Speaker 1: hate in masks during COVID Yeah, and actually banned masks. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: saving lives, no taking lives yeah m hm yep. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: so that is something that needs in conversation. Another issue

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Speaker 1: of concerned with ICE is a collaboration with local law

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Speaker 1: enforcement and with the national reserves, with the agencies.

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Speaker 2: Yes, currently Trump is using the two to eighty seven

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Speaker 2: G program for ICE to use local law enforcement at

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Speaker 2: this time. And what is two eighty seven G. Here's

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Speaker 2: bit from NPR dot org quote. The program, established in

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six, allows state and local law enforcement officers

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Speaker 2: to act as immigration enforcement agents. That means questioning, investigating,

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Speaker 2: and in some cases arresting people for civil immigration violations.

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Speaker 2: Authority traditionally reserved for federal officers.

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Speaker 1: So there are fourteen hundred and twelve agreements that are

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Speaker 1: currently active, with one thousand, one hundred and thirty that

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Speaker 1: were signed in twenty twenty five. So Trump really pushed

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Speaker 1: this to a new level. And NBR just also wrote

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Speaker 1: down how this program works. So one day jail enforcement model,

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Speaker 1: which allows for officers who bring in anybody and everybody

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Speaker 1: to be checked for their citizenships, no matter the charge.

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Speaker 1: So you got a ticket you can't pay all, we're

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Speaker 1: going to check you. Like any minor things, child support, neglect, sure,

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Speaker 1: we're going to check that too. So all of those things.

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Speaker 1: Same with warrants that are being served. I will tell

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Speaker 1: you when I worked at DJJ and I actually refused

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Speaker 1: to do it. We were supposed to call and this

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Speaker 1: was under Obama, so this has been in place. They

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Speaker 1: asked us to call a report to Immigration anybody who

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Speaker 1: is undocumented, but yeah, I refuse to do that. So

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Speaker 1: same thing with Lawrence. I know that corrections officers and

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Speaker 1: probation officers have been told to do so as well.

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Speaker 1: Any officer can check and make arrest for immigration violations.

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Speaker 1: So if they think you're violating this just to podunk,

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Speaker 1: sheriff's office deputy can assist and actually arrest you. I

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Speaker 1: will say, in the state of Georgia, there has been

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Speaker 1: immigration enforcement task force that have been plucked from the

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Speaker 1: local agencies at the very least, though those people were trained,

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Speaker 1: actually trained twice. So but do I I get no,

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Speaker 1: but they were actually trained our lost friends. Yes. And

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Speaker 1: with that, the National Guard has also been placed as

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Speaker 1: assistant to ICE and CBP. We know Trump has sent

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Speaker 1: guards to Portland, Oregon based on false information because he's

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Speaker 1: not smart enough to not realize that all the videos

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Speaker 1: on social media are not true. Oh no, I'm on

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Speaker 1: a list. I'm on a list for sure. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about that in a minute. Yeah. So, and he

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Speaker 1: has continued to threaten to send many more. Some have

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Speaker 1: welcomed it. Georgia's state governor Kemp's like, yeah, bring him

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Speaker 1: down here, let's do it. Mm hmmm. We have a

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Speaker 1: governorshace happening soon, which is why Trump is actually here. Now,

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Speaker 1: did you know that he's working?

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Speaker 2: I know he's here. He's in North Georgia, right, mm hmm.

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Speaker 2: It's horrible, I know, mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: There's also a lot of protests happening in Georgia. So

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Speaker 1: at least good news bad news. And but we've just

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Speaker 1: seen a countermove. Governor Tim Walls of Minnesota sent the

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Speaker 1: state National Guards as well. They were trying to ease

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Speaker 1: some of the tensions. And I will say they weren't

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Speaker 1: necessarily there to protect the like those who are protesting,

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Speaker 1: but they were there to kind of help out the

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Speaker 1: situation because they were also afright for their citizens, like

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Speaker 1: they're like, wait, wait, this is what's happening. I did

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Speaker 1: see several videos of the reservists bringing goods like food

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Speaker 1: and such to the protesters, trying to like buy back

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Speaker 1: some goodwill. I've not seen a lot of them, but

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Speaker 1: a few. I will say a lot of the stuff

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Speaker 1: that's happening in Minnesota has been muted, and of course

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Speaker 1: that's on purpose. And though there's claims we're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: about this later but that they're pulling out people, they

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Speaker 1: really haven't. And then there are also the concerns that

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Speaker 1: DHS and ICE are spying on everyone, including those who

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Speaker 1: they considered to be citizens, like we are actual people

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Speaker 1: who've born here, who have family here. They are spying

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Speaker 1: on YouTube, they we are being spied upon. Of course

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Speaker 1: that we've talked about this a lot. It's been happening

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Speaker 1: for a while the government has given a lot oflyway

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Speaker 1: to social media companies to allow for this, so they

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Speaker 1: could tap in we knew what was happening with all

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Speaker 1: of these safeguarding for children laws. Guess what it's not

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Speaker 1: for children? Moving on, just recently, reports have been coming

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Speaker 1: out on DHS demanding data from major sites including Google, Facebook,

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Speaker 1: and Discord, and several of them have sent in the

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Speaker 1: data as requested from The New York Times, who first

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Speaker 1: published the news. They said in recent months, Google, Reddit, Discord,

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Speaker 1: and Meta, which owns Facebook and Instagram, have received hundreds

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Speaker 1: of administrative subpoenas from the Department of Homeland Security, According

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Speaker 1: to for government officials and tech employees privy to the request,

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Speaker 1: They spoke on the condition of anonymity because they are

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Speaker 1: not authorized to speak publicly. Google Meta and Read It

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Speaker 1: complied with some of the requests, the government officials said.

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Speaker 1: In the subpoenas, the department asked the companies for identifying

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Speaker 1: details or accounts that do not have a real person's

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Speaker 1: need to attach and that have criticized ICE or pointed

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Speaker 1: to the locations of ICE agents. The New York Times

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Speaker 1: saw two subpoenas that were sent to Meta over the

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Speaker 1: last six months. So let's be clear, these companies did

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Speaker 1: not have to comply, and yet Google Meta and Read

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Speaker 1: it did handing over information include anything that may be

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Speaker 1: criticizing or opposing ICE. Wow, that is horrifying. That is horrifying.

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Speaker 1: These multi billion dollar companies who want your business, our business,

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Speaker 1: and we use these things as well, by the way,

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Speaker 1: just freely gave over their customers information specifically because they

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Speaker 1: opposed something that we see that many see as inhumane

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Speaker 1: and illegal. They did this. DHS again has taken a

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Speaker 1: lot of liberties to invade the privacy of users of

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Speaker 1: all of these apps with the use of protecting ICE agents.

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Speaker 1: And this is neither just the beginning. This is neither

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Speaker 1: the beginning nor just the end. Like we're full on

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Speaker 1: in it. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And to explain the use of these warrants, the New

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Speaker 2: York Times writes, quote, Unlike arrest warrants, which required judges' approval,

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Speaker 2: administrative subpoenas are issued by the Department of Homeland Security.

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Speaker 2: They were only sparingly used in the past, primarily to

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Speaker 2: uncover the people behind social media accounts engaged in serious

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Speaker 2: crimes such as child trafficking, said tech employees familiar with

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Speaker 2: the legal tool, But last year the Department ramped up

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Speaker 2: its use of subpoenas to unmask anonymous social media accounts.

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Speaker 1: Can we have that moment? This was originally used for

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Speaker 1: child trafficking, and now that narrative has turned to anyone

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Speaker 1: opposing the government. I think we've talked a lot about

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Speaker 1: this with Bridget and we saw it coming.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've been saying it. A lot of us have

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Speaker 2: been saying it the way.

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Speaker 1: I want to throw all electronics. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: I'm so codependent. Our job is based on of us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, even sites like military dot Com, which I was

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Speaker 1: really like, wait what, they're questioning this and have concerns

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Speaker 1: enough to look into the New York Times article as

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Speaker 1: well as contenting the ACLU over the instances like this,

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Speaker 1: and even the individual company. So social media companies didn't

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Speaker 1: look in researching because this is a precedent that's going

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Speaker 1: to change everything. This has been a precedent that's changing everything.

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Speaker 1: We should say and in regards to individual privacy and

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Speaker 1: even the most like right leaning individual they I know

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Speaker 1: will be concerned. My father, my brother who said they

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Speaker 1: didn't want a smartphone or a Google in their house,

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Speaker 1: or Alexa saying they listen to us. They are listening

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Speaker 1: to us. It is your administration that you voted for family. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: y'all just got lost in my own sadness, all right,

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Speaker 1: which leads to the question, with this type of interference

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Speaker 1: in breach of privacy, are they keeping a list? As

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Speaker 1: one agent told an observer. So in January, legal representatives

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Speaker 1: were watching the movements of ICE. One agent actually was

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Speaker 1: seen recording and taking pictures of their cars, and when

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Speaker 1: asked what he was doing, he stated that they had

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Speaker 1: a quote nice little database, and now you're considered a

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Speaker 1: domestic terrorist. He was real giddy in telling her this.

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Speaker 1: If y'all ever heard this recording, it's like, Aha, guess what.

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Speaker 1: And though the spokesperson, again Tritian McLaughlin, stated there was

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Speaker 1: no such thing, others are reporting that there was. From

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Speaker 1: a Yahoo dot com article about the incident, quote, Independent

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Speaker 1: journalist Ken Klippenstein reported today that an unnamed federal law

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Speaker 1: enforcement official told him that DHS quote has ordered immigration

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Speaker 1: officers to gather at identifying information about anyone filming them.

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Speaker 1: Now we know that Trump has been using the term

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Speaker 1: domestic terrorists for anyone who is opposed to his policies

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Speaker 1: or his actions, calling that an American anti Christian all

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Speaker 1: of these things was like, wait, what because I feel

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Speaker 1: like that's real Christian to be like, hey, let's stop

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Speaker 1: hurting our neighbors. Can we love our neighbors? But yet

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Speaker 1: to say that that's bad is anti Christian. Weird jump

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Speaker 1: but okay, And here we know that he has been

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Speaker 1: wanting something like this. He loves the good list of

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Speaker 1: all of his enemies. That's he would say. He is

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Speaker 1: a petty jerk. The current ICE director, Todd Lyons, has

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Speaker 1: denied such a database exists, but many disagree. One researcher

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Speaker 1: wrote this on Blue Sky and he actually researches for

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Speaker 1: Cato Institute, and he said he quote either one perjured

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Speaker 1: himself or two has no idea what's going on in

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Speaker 1: his own agency, because all those facial recognition shots they're

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Speaker 1: taking of people on the streets of the country are

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Speaker 1: going somewhere besides the agent's smartphone. Yes, why are they

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Speaker 1: asking for all of this information if they don't have

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Speaker 1: a data base, Where's who who's keeping this fun little

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Speaker 1: list that one agent doubtful. I don't think he's that organized.

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Speaker 1: Let's be real honest, So this h that's information. Fetscoop

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Speaker 1: dot com had a whole article about this, and well,

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Speaker 1: and they had pulled that post up from Blue Sky,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's a good conversation to have because

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Speaker 1: you can't say there's nothing there if you're collecting data.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like where is it going?

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Speaker 1: Then, like you're specifically requesting for social media companies to

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Speaker 1: give you names and addresses of people opposing these types

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Speaker 1: of policies and you say there's no database. Yeah, weird.

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Speaker 1: And with contracts like companies like Flock, who has been

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Speaker 1: working in tandem with Ice to identify license plates on

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Speaker 1: the road as well as other identifiers, it's hard to

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Speaker 1: believe that they're not doing exactly that. Even though they're

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Speaker 1: like they're just trying to get the violent criminals, there

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Speaker 1: has not been that many, like literally a handful of

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Speaker 1: violent criminals have been taken, and you know, you would

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Speaker 1: know because they would say it very loudly. So they've

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Speaker 1: been able to talk about two, I think, folent criminals

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Speaker 1: and then they made out the rest. He's definitely violently,

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Speaker 1: He've got tattoos. Interesting take. Interesting take. What I didn't

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Speaker 1: also talk about was the usage of data from medicaid

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Speaker 1: and Medicare sites, which I was like, oh, you know,

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Speaker 1: we'll hold off because it wasn't just to find immigrants

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Speaker 1: and refugees because they got that though they went through

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Speaker 1: and paid taxes. FYI. But all that to say, but

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Speaker 1: they do collect a lot of information from those types

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Speaker 1: of sites and any of the government bases, and they

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Speaker 1: have been able to locate a lot of immigrants through

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Speaker 1: go government sites that show that they pay taxes. Man,

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Speaker 1: I'm getting really heated. I'm gonna stop now. But that

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Speaker 1: is thus far in this conversation of what is going on,

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Speaker 1: we're actually going into outside of the policies and the

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Speaker 1: ways that I in CBP have working. We're going to

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Speaker 1: talk about the concerns that is happening in the actual

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Speaker 1: things that again we are doing or people are doing

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Speaker 1: to fight against this administration as well as ice hopefully

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Speaker 1: in the next episode, next last episode.

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Speaker 2: Of this unintentional mini series. It is a lot to unpack.

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Speaker 2: But I believe that we're also going to take a

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Speaker 2: break before that one comes out.

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Speaker 1: Yes, because we have a lot of things this February.

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Speaker 1: There's also good things to celebrate. When we talked about

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Speaker 1: joy and enjoying things as a way of resistance, and

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Speaker 1: we're going to do that.

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Speaker 2: Yes. So Part four coming in March probably probably yes,

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Speaker 2: but it will be coming. And as always, listeners, thanks

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Speaker 2: for sticking with us. I hope you are well. Let

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Speaker 2: any of what's going on, we would love to hear

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