1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:08,120 Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a Mental Wealth podcast 2 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: Build you from the inside out. Now here's Jay Glacier. 3 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 2: Welcome into Unbreakable, a Mental Wealth podcast with Jay Glazer. 4 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 2: I am Jay Glazer, and I haven't had too many 5 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 2: return guests, and in a way, it's a return guest, 6 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 2: but she's it's kind of everything that's old it's new again. 7 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 3: And let me explain here. 8 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 2: If you guys remember a while ago, I had on 9 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 2: a very close friend of mine that I don't even 10 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 2: know if we're able to use her name back then. 11 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 3: Her name is. 12 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 2: Miss Haley Page, one of the biggest wedding dress designers 13 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 2: in the world, but got that her ability to design 14 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 2: dresses taken away from her and basically in an nil 15 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 2: thing name image. Likely she signed over to somebody else 16 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 2: and she has not been able to use her own 17 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 2: name for years. Well now she can't. She's got it back, 18 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 2: She's got her business back. She taking it by storm. 19 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,319 Speaker 2: She has taken life with a vengeance. I love it. 20 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 2: Welcome in the one and only Miss Halle Page. It's 21 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 2: so gonna be able to call you that again. And 22 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 2: people here going, what do you mean she couldn't use 23 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 2: her name. But folks, let what Halle is about to 24 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 2: teach you all be a lesson to all of you 25 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 2: up who were coming up and saying, you know what, 26 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 2: I just want to give him the door right now. 27 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 2: So I'm gonna sign things over and I'll just deal 28 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 2: with it later on. It's a your your case study. 29 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 2: Here will be a great lesson for any young entrepreneur. 30 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 2: But even like I've seen it for years and you 31 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 2: know different sports and like you know, WW owns you 32 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 2: and early on, the UFC owns you early on. 33 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 3: But it's just incredible what you've gone through. 34 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 2: You're such a spiritual gangster to be able to fight 35 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 2: through all this and get it all back put Haley, 36 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 2: I'm gonna hand it over because you know, if they're 37 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 2: like all right, Glazier's ADHD's rambling again. 38 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 3: So Helly, let you go here, because again, our our listeners. 39 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 2: Remember you coming on the past and you were fighting 40 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 2: through it and there are certain things you couldn't. 41 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 3: Say, but now you're able to be Miss HELLI page 42 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 3: once again. 43 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 4: Yes, reunited, and it feels so good. I know, I'm 44 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 4: so excited and I just am so grateful for friends 45 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 4: like you, people that have been in my corner this 46 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 4: whole time, because I think the support system is really 47 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 4: what gave me that love and accountability through the toughest times. 48 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 4: And I'm happy to be an example now of you know, 49 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 4: what can happen early in your career and why you 50 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 4: kind of need to You owe it to yourself to 51 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 4: slow down and really make sure that the decisions you're 52 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 4: making early in your career won't set a bad precedent 53 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 4: for later or potentially hinder your ability to brand and 54 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 4: continue doing what you know you feel. 55 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 5: Like you've put on this earth to do. 56 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 4: But now that I'm on the other side of the storm, 57 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 4: I mean, the legal dispute lasted a good three and 58 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 4: a half years, I am just really processing it all because, 59 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 4: as I said last time, when we were talking about 60 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 4: this and I was in the thick of it, you know, 61 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 4: I kind of detached from the idea of ever getting 62 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 4: my name back, and I said, Okay, well, what's going to. 63 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 5: Be most productive for me in this space? 64 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 4: And it was just to not rely on a certain 65 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 4: outcome to happen to move forward, and so I rebranded 66 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 4: as Chival. I launched a you know, non competitive product 67 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 4: in women's shoes. 68 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 5: And I kind of put wedding dress. 69 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 4: Design on the shelf for a while, and now that 70 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 4: it's like back in my hands, I'm just I am 71 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 4: so incredibly humbled by the experience and excited and energized 72 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 4: to get back out there. And I also want to 73 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 4: make sure I put literally one step in front of 74 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 4: the other in making this decision moving forward back into 75 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 4: the wedding dress space. 76 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 2: Now, I want people to understand here, because you were 77 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 2: saying like literally getting her name back, We literally mean this. 78 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 3: Halle lost the use of her name. 79 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 2: She would So if you go on all these years, 80 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 2: Miss Haley Page on Instagram is one point two million followers. 81 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 2: It wasn't her. Somebody, some other dude controlled it and 82 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:13,119 Speaker 2: she had to go buy a goal. 83 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 3: You used to. 84 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 2: Know I had all that glitters on the gram and 85 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 2: like all these different things instead. 86 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 3: Of her own name, which is just wild. So take 87 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 3: us you know again. 88 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 2: And for those who don't know, Hally here is one 89 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 2: of the biggest wedding dress designers in the world, has 90 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 2: been for some time, and they were continuing to sell 91 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 2: Miss Haley Page dresses, but it was not her for 92 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 2: the last three and a half. 93 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 4: Years, right, So the legal dispute, you know, obviously very nuanced, 94 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 4: but it kind of goes back to a contract I 95 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 4: had signed when I was twenty five, and you know, 96 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 4: obviously it was interpreted and enforced in ways that I 97 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 4: had never really anticipated or imagined, and so during that 98 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 4: time period I could not use my name. And the 99 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 4: social media aspect was a really inter sting element because 100 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 4: there's no, not a whole lot of case law with 101 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 4: respect to social media ownership. 102 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 5: And what was. 103 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 4: Really really positive about the results in my situation is 104 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 4: that the second Circuit, the appellate Court, actually used basic 105 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 4: property law to make a decision in you know, determining 106 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 4: who actually owned that account, and so prior to even 107 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 4: my settlement in the lawsuit or the dispute, that the 108 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 4: account was awarded back to me. And I'm just super 109 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 4: grateful because I think that will make a positive landscape 110 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 4: for anyone that uses social media, both personally and professionally, 111 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 4: which is pretty much everyone now, right right. 112 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,679 Speaker 3: But but but go back, so twenty five, you signed. 113 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 4: A contract for how long the actually I don't remember 114 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 4: the initial term of it, but it was a long 115 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 4: it was a long term. 116 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 3: We in that you signed over your name, image like this, 117 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 3: your name's your I. 118 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 4: Find the right for my name to be trademarked, right right, So. 119 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 3: Continue since this kind of where it gets icy is and. 120 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 2: Again you're twenty five, so we're getting a chance to 121 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 2: have your dream come true and not realizing your probably think, way, Man, 122 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 2: I got this chance, I'll do whatever i'd pay them, right. 123 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:14,919 Speaker 5: Yeah, I know. 124 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 4: I feel like I just relate to a lot of 125 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 4: just really hungry, eager, excited to show people what you 126 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 4: can do. And you know, obviously I want to now 127 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 4: be an example and a vessel for anybody that is 128 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 4: going into those big opportunities and what we don't know, 129 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 4: we don't know, and so it's always great to build 130 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 4: out an advocacy team around you, you know, really consult 131 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 4: with lawyers and take your time and making those decisions 132 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 4: to make sure that you can you can hold onto 133 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 4: your enthusiasm and know what you're capable of doing, and 134 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 4: also protect yourself and find a way so that everybody wins. 135 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 3: So here we are, three and a half years later. 136 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 3: You get your name back, You get the right to 137 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 3: do what you love back. 138 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 2: First of all, well, there's so many ways I want 139 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 2: to break this down, but let's start the end here 140 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 2: when you finally hear your because there have been other 141 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 2: several other attempts in court to get your name back 142 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 2: that failed, right, and so you finally get the ability 143 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 2: to get. 144 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 3: It back and do what you love back. What's it 145 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 3: feel like? 146 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 4: It's really actually so fulfilling, and I do feel different. 147 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 5: It's hard to explain. 148 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 4: Because in a way I felt like Cheval was really 149 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 4: this moniker and it was a solution for me in 150 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 4: the ability to kind of move forward and say. 151 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 3: Chaval is her shoeline, folks. So I want you to 152 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 3: understand that. 153 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 5: Right, Chaval she is. 154 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 4: Chaval is the shoe brand, and we're thinking about dropping 155 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 4: that she is because now it like she she is 156 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 4: Haley Page too, So it's like I might be such 157 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 4: of all, but it's a sister brand now obviously, and 158 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 4: I'm trying to think of like what this alchemy is 159 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 4: going to be with Haley Page and Chaval. But I'm 160 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 4: so thrilled to be Haley Page again. 161 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 5: And it does feel like a bit of a phoenix 162 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 5: moment and like. 163 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 4: A rebirth because I feel like I stood up and 164 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 4: worked so hard to fight for it, you know, and 165 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 4: for there to be a very positive settlement and resolution 166 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 4: to it. That's all you can hope and pray for, 167 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 4: and that is what was achieved. And so I'm just 168 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 4: extremely grateful for that. And yeah, it's coming to terms 169 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 4: with being back in this position, but also I feel like. 170 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 5: I've learned so much. 171 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 4: So now it's like, Okay, how can I make sure 172 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 4: that this next chapter, you know, in turning the page 173 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 4: pun intended, is going to be just magical, you know, 174 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 4: And how can I make up for lost time? And 175 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 4: how can I also pay my respects to the support 176 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 4: system I've had. 177 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 3: What was the hardest point during this fight, this battle, you. 178 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 4: Know, actually the hardest part of this the entire three 179 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 4: and a half years was Conrad going through a health 180 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 4: scare and that had nothing to do with, you know, 181 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 4: my legal dispute. But what was interesting about it is 182 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 4: that the perspective. 183 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 3: Is very loving other half. I'm not saying better half 184 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 3: because you're the best better half. 185 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 2: But. 186 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 4: He actually had a crazy healthcare almost almost lost him, 187 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 4: you know. And I think when you're going through something 188 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 4: where you're constantly it's like this inner psychological battle, right, 189 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 4: and it's it's very self analysis, where like your self 190 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 4: analysis is so important in those moments and you it's 191 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 4: not that you become obsessed with you know, what's going on, 192 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 4: because you have to have this outer experience as well. 193 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 5: You can get really caught up in it. 194 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 4: And I think when you step outside of it and 195 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 4: you realize that there is so much to your life 196 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 4: and there's these relationships you have in these support systems, 197 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 4: and all of it boils down to are these very 198 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 4: basic things of. 199 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 5: Like love and respecting relationships. 200 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 4: And so when Conrad was going through his health, it 201 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 4: was like nothing else really matters, you know. 202 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 5: It just really put a huge spin on things. 203 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 4: So April of this year was one of the tougher 204 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,719 Speaker 4: months of my whole entire life in the last three 205 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 4: and a half years, and. 206 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 5: Then they ended up being one of the better months. 207 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 5: So I mean, right, yeah, But in the. 208 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 2: Early days we were talking about it, I'm not going 209 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 2: to let you side step this. We were talking about just 210 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 2: kind of traversing what this battle was going to be. 211 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:39,839 Speaker 2: I want you to just I guess I kind of 212 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 2: want you to be able to lay out kind of 213 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 2: warnings to others of like, again, while you were in it. 214 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 2: This was the hardest thing about it, and the thing 215 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:49,719 Speaker 2: that I had to keep faith that I can get 216 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 2: through it. But it was a thing that tested my 217 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 2: faith the most. 218 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 4: I think the thing that tested my faith the most 219 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 4: was taking the accountability and knowing that I had made 220 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 4: a mistake, right, and that I had clearly played a 221 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 4: role in some part of my life that led me 222 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 4: to that position, right, and to be able to look 223 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 4: at that, look at myself in the eyes and say, 224 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 4: you know, we're going to get through this, you know, 225 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 4: looking at myself and saying that and saying we're going 226 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 4: to take accountability for it, and you know we're here 227 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 4: and you're staring down the path forward. You know it 228 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 4: is like this will come to terms of psychoanalysis, right, 229 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 4: and learning how to basically say I am okay with 230 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 4: what is happening, and I'm going to accept it. And 231 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 4: I'm also not going to sugarcoat it, right, I'm not 232 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 4: I'm going to look at it very realistically because I 233 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:53,599 Speaker 4: do say this a lot, but we suffer more in 234 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 4: our imaginations than we do in reality. And then looking 235 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:59,079 Speaker 4: at the circumstances that are not in your favor, you 236 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 4: just say, are not going to be making the decisions. 237 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 4: I'm going to go ahead and decide what I want 238 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 4: to see in the future happen, and I'm going to 239 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 4: work toward that as opposed to waiting for a certain 240 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 4: outcome to come in terms of me moving forward. And 241 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 4: it can be tough because I don't think it's so 242 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 4: much about like, oh, I'm going to forgive myself, right, 243 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 4: because I think forgiveness is important, But I think what's 244 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 4: more important is really taking responsibility. And again, like because 245 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 4: I had this support system, it made me feel like 246 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 4: I owe it to them and I owe it to 247 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 4: myself to just find a way through it and be productive, 248 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 4: Like what can I do to actually. 249 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 5: What's the next step? 250 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 4: You know, and literally the steps we're creating shoes and rebranding. 251 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 5: In a way. But that's tough. 252 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 4: I mean, this psychology of it all has been the 253 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 4: most challenging part. And I would also say working to 254 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 4: have built a brand and be so present for women 255 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 4: on the most you know, most important day of their 256 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 4: life for many of them, right to have been in 257 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 4: that role and then feel like there was a shaky 258 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 4: situation happening, you know, like I just didn't want anything 259 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 4: to impact the beauty of those days and those memories 260 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 4: and those gorgeous dresses that were created, Like, how can 261 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 4: I preserve as much of that as possible while also 262 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 4: dealing with what's going on here? 263 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 3: Right? 264 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 2: You're basically yeah, every time you're seeing a wedding, then 265 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 2: it's reminding you of the trauma that you're going through. 266 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 3: And weddings are your most sacred place. 267 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 5: Weddings are my most sacred place. 268 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 4: I feel like they have that passion and that sincerity 269 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 4: that I've always felt in this industry has remained fully intact. 270 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 5: And I actually didn't feel. 271 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 4: Triggered by any bit of the designs and the dresses 272 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 4: and the women. In fact, that for me almost like 273 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 4: in the Beauty and the Beast when the rose is 274 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 4: in the glass container and it's being preserved, Like I 275 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 4: saw it kind of that way, because I think ultimately 276 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 4: I knew at some point, like I'm going to be 277 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 4: allowed to design again at some point, no matter if 278 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 4: it's in seven years, it's in ten years, whatever it is, 279 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 4: it's gonna happen. So like I knew that my ability 280 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 4: to design would be there. 281 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 5: Saying goodbye to my name. 282 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 4: Is really where I was like, Okay, I've got to 283 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 4: actually detached from this, and I think that was a 284 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 4: different It took a different set of skills to kind 285 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 4: of do that. But I thought creatively because I was like, well, 286 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 4: every album, new album that an artist comes out with 287 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 4: is like an opportunity to kind of rebrand and like, 288 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 4: what's the title of the album. 289 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 5: And so for me, the name. 290 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 4: Chaval was kind of like that artistic expression not thinking 291 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 4: too much about you know, the impacts, but you. 292 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 3: Have to play mind game for yourself to be able 293 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 3: to get through it like that. 294 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And I think it also just gave me 295 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 4: a bigger sense of fortitude and when you're going through 296 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 4: these hardships and these moments that are really tough for 297 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 4: you emotionally or psychologically, knowing on me that at some 298 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 4: point it's going to be over right, because everything is temporary, 299 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 4: knowing that you're probably going to come out stronger and 300 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 4: changed for the better. You're going to learn something about 301 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 4: yourself that you didn't know. And so I can appreciate that. 302 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 2: And that's literally what I'm breakable list right, the things 303 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 2: that are supposed to break you but didn't and as 304 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 2: a result, you come through the other side of that 305 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 2: tunnel stronger forever. And I told you also, you know, 306 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 2: not spoken right after, and I was like, look, Kelly, 307 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 2: there's only a couple times in life we really get 308 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 2: to find out. 309 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 3: Who we are, and you found out who you were. 310 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 3: You're not a quitter, You're a fighter. 311 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 2: You're much a fighter, more so than most of the 312 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 2: fighters I've been around. 313 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 3: So I know it sucked. 314 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 2: I know you had to go through this certain pain, 315 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 2: but you know you kind of go through this hell 316 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 2: to find out the heaven that is lurking behind your 317 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 2: eyes and behind your ribcage. 318 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, well thank you, Jay. 319 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 4: I know it's hard to like really think of it 320 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 4: all in like one big, you know, fell swoop of 321 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 4: like whoa, like this happened, you know, and it's all 322 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 4: a work in progress. 323 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 5: Like every day, you. 324 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 4: Know, it's you're taking baby steps with every part of 325 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 4: your life. And there's moments of your life that are 326 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 4: down spirals, right, and there are moments where you're like, 327 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 4: you know what, I'm due for an up spiral, and 328 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 4: I'm very excited about that. And you know, one other 329 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 4: thing I kind of learned about myself in going through this, 330 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 4: because it took a very big financial toll as well, 331 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 4: is that I'm really glad to recognize that I have 332 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 4: very low operating costs me the human being, because if 333 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 4: I can work out and be physically active and get 334 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 4: some of that stress and energy out, that's that is 335 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 4: like a foundation for me. That's so important psychologically. And two, 336 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 4: if I have really really beautiful, inspiring, authentic people around me, 337 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 4: like those two things, you know, I can go a 338 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 4: long way and like. 339 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 5: Like those two things, and it's just like that's bare bones. 340 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 4: It's like money, Yeah, you got to pay your bills 341 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 4: and find a way to do those things. But those 342 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 4: two things are like pretty much if I got that, 343 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, I feel okay about what. 344 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 2: Else have you learned about yourself during this fight that 345 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,199 Speaker 2: you may not have known beforehand? 346 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 3: What are their skills? You wrote? Oh you know what, 347 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 3: I'm able to do this now? 348 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 5: Yeah. 349 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,719 Speaker 4: Well, the low operating cost is interesting because I'm a 350 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 4: fashion girly, right, and like, I love decorating your life, right, 351 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 4: And it's interesting when you don't have financials and the 352 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 4: luxury to kind of spend. 353 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 5: For me, I was like, Okay, I'm going to upcycle 354 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 5: my wardrobe. 355 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 4: I'm going to really invest in appreciating what I have 356 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:18,679 Speaker 4: and like, how can we embellish it. You know, how 357 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 4: can we take what we have and make it even 358 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 4: more exciting and stay creative with it. I would also 359 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 4: say that the physicality that I mentioned before, it really 360 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 4: really is my therapy. You know, like whenever I'm going 361 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 4: through a moment where I'm really inside my brain and 362 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 4: I can't seem to get out of my own way 363 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 4: and I'm kind of doom scrolling in my brain, or 364 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 4: you're looking on Instagram and it just everything just doesn't 365 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 4: feel right. Getting out of your environment, going for a walk, 366 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 4: putting on some great uplifting music, just going for a 367 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 4: hard workout where you're almost like pushing yourself. 368 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 5: Into a difficult culty. That's physical. It kind of changes 369 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 5: the chemistry and your brain. And you know, growing up. 370 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:10,439 Speaker 4: A gymnast and like being a real hard competitor, I 371 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 4: realize that you're in a different state of flow. And 372 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 4: you're gonna love this because this is you, Like when 373 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 4: when you're in the ring, you know, and you're there's 374 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 4: nothing else you're thinking about but being in that moment, 375 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 4: and it shifts your focus right, and then when you 376 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 4: go back to that Okay, I'm back in my office 377 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 4: or I'm back in my room and like your mind 378 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 4: has changed, and so like I've really come to appreciate 379 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 4: those shifts and ability for your body physiologically to kind 380 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 4: of direct a better mentality, and so like, I definitely 381 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 4: leaned into that during some of the harder moments over 382 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 4: the past few years. 383 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:53,479 Speaker 5: And then I think one of the other aspects I'm 384 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 5: very proud of is that. 385 00:19:55,440 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 4: Uh, I've really held on to my life for design 386 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 4: and just wanting to be as sincere as I possibly 387 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 4: can be, you know, and I'm somebody. 388 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 5: That really trusts people, you. 389 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 4: Know, like I put myself out there and I really 390 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 4: believe in good faith, and I feel like that is 391 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 4: something I've really held onto. And when you go through 392 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 4: things that feel like a setback or it just there's 393 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 4: something about it that's just not making sense to you, 394 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 4: you know, there is a possibility for it to change 395 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 4: who you are and how you see the world. And 396 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 4: for me, I feel like I'm still me and like 397 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,919 Speaker 4: I still very much wear my heart on my sleeve. 398 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 5: And yeah, I have to. 399 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 4: Be a little more cognizant and hire lawyers and protect 400 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 4: myself and learn from my mistakes, but I still feel 401 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 4: like I'm still that sincerity is still there. And the 402 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 4: free fall and the trust fall that I think you 403 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 4: have to have, especially in the bridle industry, is there. 404 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 5: You know, like I don't feel jaded, which is a 405 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 5: great feeling. 406 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 3: Which is great. 407 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, completely different direction here when you're making a 408 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 2: wedding dress. So, like Brett michaels Uh asked him, He's 409 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 2: told me, Hey, every song starts with. 410 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 3: Either a word or an idea. 411 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 2: And when I'm doing Foxing Noville Sunday, everything I do 412 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 2: gets hooked with. 413 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 3: One line. Like men, this whole. 414 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 2: Scoop that I'm going to report here for the next 415 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 2: minute a half is all based on a line that 416 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 2: I know is going to hook people in. When you're 417 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 2: about to design a wedding dress, take me through that 418 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 2: creative process of how it starts to the end. 419 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 5: Actually it's similar for me. 420 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 4: I really pull a lot of inspiration directly from women 421 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 4: I need, and there's like a bit of a connection 422 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 4: or a relatability or just even a communication through the 423 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 4: design process that I think is really important because ultimately 424 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 4: it is storytelling and that is what these great musicians do, 425 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 4: is that they tell a story, and so it brings 426 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 4: that personification and it ties a loop back to the 427 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 4: original inspiration and the method. 428 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 5: And the material in which you do that. 429 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 4: Whether it's in songwriting or it's in dress design, you 430 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 4: know that that communication. 431 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 5: Is still there. 432 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 4: And so while every dress kind of goes through its 433 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 4: own little evolution, you know that initial spark, it typically 434 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 4: comes from, Okay, I'm having a conversation with this girl, 435 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 4: and she and I are relating to our teenage angst 436 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 4: ears where we listen to Alanis Morset. 437 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 5: And you know, Black Hole Sun. 438 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 4: And like, you know, like you have like this camaraderie 439 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 4: and that is what ignites this. Oh my gosh, could 440 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 4: you imagine a dress that has like these edgy stripes 441 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 4: on it, but then it's got this flow and oh, 442 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 4: Alanath Morsett talks about one hand in her pocket, what 443 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 4: of the dress head pockets? You know, and then like 444 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 4: you just kind of start like embellishing and creating a 445 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 4: story through the dress. But it started from this place 446 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,360 Speaker 4: of just authenticity, relatability. 447 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 5: We're jiving here, you. 448 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 4: Know, and like I can imagine that's what musicians do 449 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 4: when they come up with music together and they're in 450 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 4: there like you know, think Tank, and you start riffing 451 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 4: with it and so I feel like I kind of 452 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 4: do that with dress wear, and music actually plays a 453 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 4: big role for me just because I it sets a 454 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 4: vibe and a tone typically and like a lot of 455 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 4: times I'm listening to either Fleetwood, Mac, Talking Heads, Led Zeppelin, 456 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 4: or Pink Floyd and they're all like totally different moods, 457 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,199 Speaker 4: but it like it sets an environment for me and 458 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 4: a rhythm that is really important, especially in like sketching. 459 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 5: So that's kind of my process. 460 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 4: But at the end, when you're getting close to, you know, 461 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 4: address being executed, it's into because it goes through a 462 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 4: phase of like construction where you're let's make the dress 463 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 4: make sense right. It's got to fit what right, It's 464 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 4: got to have the right boning in it. We have 465 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 4: to make it come alive and stand on its own 466 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 4: so that it fits the girl right. Because I don't 467 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 4: believe that a girl needs to fit into the dress. 468 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 5: I think the dress needs to fit. 469 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 4: The girl, same with shoes, like it needs to work 470 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 4: for you. You shouldn't have to force yourself to fit 471 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 4: the dress. But when you're at that stage, I think 472 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 4: that's when there's a analchemy between the dress and the girl. 473 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 4: And for me, the dress is no longer mine. It 474 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 4: becomes hers, right, and it's almost like this passing of 475 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 4: the torch, and it's almost like this I don't know, 476 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 4: like follow through and it takes on its own personality. 477 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 4: Then it becomes her story and so it's kind of 478 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 4: like a sisterhood of the traveling Dresses. But like, I 479 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 4: don't know how to make sense of that, but for me, 480 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 4: it completes the cycle of it and the storytelling, and 481 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 4: then it becomes her story to tell take start to finish. 482 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 4: To do a wedding dress, it definitely depends on the dress, 483 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 4: but you know, it can take anywhere from six days 484 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 4: to six months or six years in my case, holding 485 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 4: over all of these dresses, and like, you. 486 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 5: Know, I changed my mind a lot. I think a 487 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 5: lot of designers do. 488 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 4: Like it's just part of like, Okay, I'm over it again, 489 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 4: move on, or oh I still love these elements and stuff. 490 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 4: And there's been dress ideas that I've been sitting on 491 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 4: for a few years right now that I like cannot 492 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 4: wait to bring to life, and it's just so exciting 493 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 4: that it's like opening Pandora's box. 494 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 3: You know, Halle. 495 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 2: For those who don't know Halle is a rock star 496 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,360 Speaker 2: and I'll never forget like you. And I became friends 497 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 2: with many many many years ago, and shortly after that, 498 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 2: I was hanging with Sean Payton, now the head coach 499 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 2: of Denver Broncos him and they were fiance at the time, 500 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:51,959 Speaker 2: now his wife, and I was like, yeah, I got 501 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 2: good friend Heley Page. And they both said miss Haley Page. 502 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 2: I said, Sean, how fuck do you know miss Haley Page? 503 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 2: Because what did't just designer? Oh manner stuff was great? 504 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 2: I was like, wow, what, like, how was Oh my god? 505 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 2: But every time I've mentioned you to people, people I 506 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,640 Speaker 2: would never expect to know who you are know who 507 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 2: you are, and you know, my friends are Nanderthals, so 508 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 2: I never expect them to know you, but they do, 509 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 2: which is which is absolutely wild. Who who is your 510 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 2: biggest kind of moment of that of someone who knew 511 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 2: your work? 512 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 3: You're like, oh my god, Like this is wow? What 513 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 3: was your what was that moment for you? Have you 514 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 3: had one? 515 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 5: Oh my goodness. 516 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 4: It's interesting because I've definitely had the opportunity to address 517 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 4: so many like fabulous women in the industry film entertainment, 518 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 4: like Harry Underwood, Dove Cameron, like just Kelsey Vallerini, like 519 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 4: you know, and and all of these opportunities are just 520 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 4: incredibly exciting for me, But I actually almost feel more 521 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:57,360 Speaker 4: like thrilled when it's somebody that I've never met before 522 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 4: and were like in an airport or like in a 523 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 4: restaurant and a girl comes up and she's like you 524 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 4: made my dress, or like you made my sister's dress. 525 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 5: Can we facetimer? And it's so of. 526 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 4: That moment and like random that we would we would 527 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:14,880 Speaker 4: be in this position and like. 528 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,719 Speaker 5: There's that connection there, you know, and that there's no 529 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 5: separation and. 530 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 4: All of a sudden, you feel this love and this 531 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 4: energy come out of nowhere, And that to me is 532 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 4: just as exciting as like, you know, getting to dress 533 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 4: some of these incredible personalities, because it's all really the 534 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:35,360 Speaker 4: same thing. 535 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 5: Like if there is a girl that is. 536 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 4: Appreciating your designs, it doesn't even matter who she is, 537 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 4: where she's from, what walk of life. The fact that 538 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 4: we're relating on this is like super special. So I'm 539 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 4: like trying to think, like, it was pretty cool. 540 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 5: When I named a dress after you. 541 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 4: And became a topic on I think it was either 542 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 4: Twitter or Instagram, and the Rock was really jealous. 543 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 2: Yes, well that that's why you did it, just to 544 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,199 Speaker 2: piss off the Rock and straight hand for me on 545 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:05,719 Speaker 2: my behalf. 546 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,400 Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, it was like a battle between straight. 547 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:13,120 Speaker 3: And get under there. I am loving it and. 548 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 2: If I can get you to help me, absolutely, But 549 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 2: she made a glazer ground glazier gown with a power 550 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 2: nit fabric. 551 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 3: I might add I have my own fabric. Yes, we got. 552 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 5: We got to bring that. 553 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 3: Thing back around. 554 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 2: I absolutely remember it. But also, you've been so instrumental folks. 555 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 2: You know Rosie and I again, we get married, uh 556 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 2: in May, and when we were first doing this, this 557 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 2: is Rosy's first marriage. Because Rosie's just taking care of 558 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 2: the rest of the world. She's taking care everybody else. 559 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 2: And the next thing, you know, she looks up and 560 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 2: she's like, man, my life has just gone past. And 561 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 2: she just figured, okay, I'm just never going to do it. 562 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 3: And I just posted something about this recently. 563 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 2: She always felt that there are these outside forces against 564 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 2: her and I did too, and we realized, like those 565 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 2: outside forces wrecks us. There's no secret monster, then nothing 566 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 2: in the universes against us. But a lot of people 567 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 2: kind of think that and get caught up and that's 568 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 2: our racket. 569 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 3: So when it was when I proposed to her. 570 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 2: And folks, I'm so last minute, I'm like, and I 571 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 2: you know, I'm used to live TV. You show up, 572 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 2: you do it, You're gone, bat right, just not and 573 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 2: a Fox and fl said, we don't have any We 574 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 2: have like a short half production meeting. We don't really 575 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 2: rehearse bat That's how kind of our life is immediate. 576 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 2: And uh, I probably didn't, you know. We looked at 577 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 2: it and I'm like, yeah, we'll just get this done, 578 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 2: this stuff done. And about three months before the wedding, 579 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, we got to sit down and 580 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 2: plan this. 581 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,479 Speaker 3: But I got no idea. Wait a minute. I got someone, 582 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,479 Speaker 3: Miss Haley Page, she could come to our rescue. 583 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 2: And our fairy godmother came to our rescue and got 584 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 2: us a wedding planner, and our travel gangster Christine Andrews, 585 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 2: who's incredible and this and that and like cooked everything up. 586 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 2: And Rosie and I were sitting there her wedding going. 587 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 2: We had several toast to you because we're like, if 588 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 2: I didn't meet Halle, what we have done, we would 589 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 2: not have known how to get married. 590 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 3: We really would have. And you think about that, there's 591 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 3: so much stuff to do. We did not know how 592 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 3: to get married. 593 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 4: Well, you guys did a really good job at it. 594 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 4: And the fact that you had a double rainbow on 595 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 4: your bid. 596 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 3: God give us a gift. 597 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 5: Yes, that's at all. 598 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 3: Well, we didn't know how to get married. He's crazy. 599 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 1: Oh. 600 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 4: I was so happy to be a part of it because, honestly, Jay, 601 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 4: like from the moment we met at a swim up 602 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 4: pool bar in Cabo, I was already looking forward to 603 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 4: your wedding someday, and like. 604 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 5: A special person would be. 605 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 4: And the fact that it is rosy like absolute heart 606 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 4: of golds and just the most magnetic girl like comes 607 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 4: into your life and you guys get to complete your 608 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 4: love story and I got to be a part of it. 609 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 4: Even considering all of the stuff I was going through, 610 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 4: it just was so. 611 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 5: Meaningful for me and I'm humbled by it and it's 612 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 5: an honor. 613 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 3: So hey, you know too, we didn't in this world. 614 00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 2: You're great because we don't want to put more on 615 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 2: your plate. And you told us no, no, no, This 616 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 2: allows me to this distracts me from this, this helps 617 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 2: and it was just you hand us with such grace 618 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 2: and beauty, and I appreciate it well. 619 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 5: I love you both so much. 620 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 2: Life to the last thing I want to after last 621 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 2: thing I want to say to you, Okay, and because 622 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 2: I'm not going to do the unbreakable moment because we've 623 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 2: already done that in the last one and we know 624 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 2: now you've got another one. 625 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 3: Of you know, coming through this. 626 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 2: But I really want you to understand, I know you 627 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 2: went through this is three and a half tough years. 628 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 2: Not only did she lose her name folks and her 629 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 2: business and have to spend a ton of money battling 630 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 2: back for it, but her man Conrad here, she said, 631 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 2: just went through a really bad health scare and it 632 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 2: was it was really scary. And I don't know how 633 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 2: much you want me to divulge about that or not, 634 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 2: but it was it was really, really scary. And I 635 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 2: just want you to realize, like, don't try and figure 636 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 2: life out, Like I don't know why good things happen 637 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 2: to bad people or bad things happen to good people, 638 00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 2: But don't try and figure life out because it just 639 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 2: drive you crazy. 640 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 3: And the way you have. 641 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 2: Handle all of it with a smile on your face 642 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 2: is something that I don't think you could minimize the 643 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 2: inspiration that you lead us all to. So you're so 644 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 2: inspiring to always do all this with a smile on 645 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 2: your face, it would be really easy for you to 646 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 2: go why me, why me? 647 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 3: Why me? And I never I never heard that from you, 648 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 3: and it was really inspiring. 649 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 4: I just want you to know that that is so 650 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 4: sweet that you say, Jay. 651 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 5: I honestly like I think it's from people like you 652 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 5: around me. 653 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 3: I do. 654 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 5: I genuinely think when you. 655 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 4: Have so much support and love constantly, it just brings 656 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 4: you to a place of Okay, I've got to show up, 657 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 4: you know, because I have this incredible reason to do 658 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 4: it every single day and get through the hard times 659 00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 4: because of these incredible people around me. So I'm just 660 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 4: happy to have had our friendship for as long as 661 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 4: we have. 662 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 5: And you know, we get to have another wedding soon. 663 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,719 Speaker 3: Absolutely, let's do it. Let's do it. You can use 664 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 3: my house in Malibuts at least I could do it 665 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 3: for you. 666 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 5: That would be so epic. 667 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 3: Oh this hell. 668 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 2: And you know what, I want to get back now, 669 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 2: because we got sidetracked. We were making We're gonna make 670 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 2: wedding dresses for combat bets and let's get back to 671 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 2: doing that if we can. Now that you're able to 672 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 2: do that again, let's let's do some good. Let's use 673 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 2: your superpower to do some good together. 674 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 5: I'm in it, you designed it, I'll pay for it. 675 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 2: We're in right Wait, Miss Haley Page, I love you 676 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 2: so much. Thank you for joining us here in the 677 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 2: Unbreakable Podcast. So proud I could say. Our guest this 678 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,479 Speaker 2: week is Miss Helly Page