WEBVTT - TMI 2-26 episode_01

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Tamika D.

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<v Speaker 2>Mallory and the.

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<v Speaker 3>Shit Boy my son in general.

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<v Speaker 1>We are your host of TMI.

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<v Speaker 4>Tamika and my Song's information, truth, motivation and.

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<v Speaker 1>Inspiration, new energy.

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<v Speaker 2>What's up, my songle How you doing today?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm good to make a D. Mallory? How you feeling today?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm good book tours and progress.

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<v Speaker 5>People.

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<v Speaker 1>When I say that, my friends are showing out, not

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<v Speaker 1>just friends, but everybody on the team. People are working together.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, as I said to you, I really have

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<v Speaker 1>been pouring my heart and soul into this project, really

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<v Speaker 1>doing the same work that I've done for everything else,

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<v Speaker 1>doing it for myself, and I am so very proud

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<v Speaker 1>of you know what I've been able to accomplish thus far,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of it. I have four dates that

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<v Speaker 1>were planned specifically by the publishers, so Simon and Schuster

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<v Speaker 1>work on them.

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<v Speaker 2>Shout out to my girls Shya car who has been.

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<v Speaker 1>Busting up her sides working really hard to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>that we have the right events, the right PR and

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<v Speaker 1>all of that. And very grateful to her Serena Oglesby

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<v Speaker 1>who has taken on the PR around other things and

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<v Speaker 1>helping us to target local markets. Awesome obviously the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of the team, LaToya and everybody that I don't even

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<v Speaker 1>have to mention because I say all the time that

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<v Speaker 1>they have really really been working together as a well

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<v Speaker 1>oil machine to make this thing happen. But my friends

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<v Speaker 1>who have churches, who have different, different places and experiences

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<v Speaker 1>that they can offer, they have been doing the work.

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<v Speaker 1>They've been acting like this book is their own. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so grateful to everybody. If I start naming people,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll leave somebody out, so I know better than to

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<v Speaker 1>do that.

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<v Speaker 2>But everything from.

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<v Speaker 1>My party that you all helped to put together for

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<v Speaker 1>me in New York City, obviously Charlemagne and ni kiavs

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<v Speaker 1>there and did such a great job. And then in

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<v Speaker 1>and on Thursday, and a shout out also to Duce

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<v Speaker 1>and Poppy Wines for providing us with all the wine

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<v Speaker 1>and spirits.

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<v Speaker 2>It was at a place.

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<v Speaker 1>If you live in New York City, you need to

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<v Speaker 1>make sure you go to Pebe Brasserie on one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and twenty fifth Street. It's sixty West one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>twenty fifth Street. It is an African own An inspired restaurant, steakhouse.

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<v Speaker 1>Amazing food always amazing, and the food was actually good

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<v Speaker 1>that night. Then we you know, went into January to

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<v Speaker 1>February thirteenth, which we had a nice event at the

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<v Speaker 1>New York Public Library with my friend Janelle Aggie, who

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<v Speaker 1>is the executive director of Editorial at Ebony Magazine and

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<v Speaker 1>the Public Advocate of New York City Jimani Williams. And

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<v Speaker 1>then it has just gone on and on, from Jamal

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<v Speaker 1>Bryant his church to now you know, we've had a

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<v Speaker 1>number of events across the country. I again, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to get myself in trouble, but it has just

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<v Speaker 1>been people open indoors, people saying can you come here,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm buying this book. One hundred, two hundred, three hundred,

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<v Speaker 1>people just really doing their thing, And so I am

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<v Speaker 1>so very appreciative of every single bit of support because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's not easy to sell a book. We

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<v Speaker 1>all know that it's not easy to tell your life story,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not easy to be vulnerable, it's not easy to

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<v Speaker 1>do any of these things. And people don't got to

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<v Speaker 1>buy anything from you, nobody, you know what I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 1>There's no guarantee that somebody's gonna say, oh, let me

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<v Speaker 1>go pick up to Meeka Mallory's book they could say

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<v Speaker 1>it's not the time, I'm not interested.

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<v Speaker 2>But folks have not just been buying one book.

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<v Speaker 1>They've been buying five and ten books and sending them

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<v Speaker 1>to friends and posting on socials.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm just very very.

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<v Speaker 1>Very very very very appreciative that my story, my book

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<v Speaker 1>I live to tell the story is doing as well

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<v Speaker 1>as it's doing. So that's that's my testimony.

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<v Speaker 4>No, it's an amazing book. I'm gonna do chapter three

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<v Speaker 4>right now. And you know, it was a bad little girl.

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<v Speaker 4>I could see you just running around with pigtails and

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<v Speaker 4>your mother like what is going on with you? But

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<v Speaker 4>it's it's a it's a beautiful read so far. And

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<v Speaker 4>everybody that I hear you know, they break out in tears.

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<v Speaker 4>And I just want to say, congratulations. Man, Like you said,

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<v Speaker 4>you worked hard, you put it in. This's your second book.

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<v Speaker 4>And I know the emotions that go into this book

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<v Speaker 4>because you know, you speak, you're very open about your

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<v Speaker 4>past and about all these things. A lot of things

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<v Speaker 4>you you never talked about, but things that I know

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<v Speaker 4>that you talked about then I know, just reliving those

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<v Speaker 4>things publicly, but publicly they're just reliving those things, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>and going retraumatizing yourself, you know. And I've seen a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of times you talk about just as you read

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<v Speaker 4>and you did the audio version that you you had

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<v Speaker 4>to cry a lot of times because you know, it

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<v Speaker 4>touched you in a different way. So I just wanted

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<v Speaker 4>to say, man, we appreciate you, we honor you, and

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<v Speaker 4>continue to be great.

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<v Speaker 3>And the book is going to do amazing because it's

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<v Speaker 3>supposed to.

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<v Speaker 1>That's yeah, I hope, so I believe. So it's already

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<v Speaker 1>throwing amazing. And the good thing about understanding the world

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<v Speaker 1>we live in is that for me, the win is

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<v Speaker 1>that I got it done. I put it in the world,

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<v Speaker 1>and there have been hundreds of people who I'm in

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<v Speaker 1>touch with. So there's even more than that in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of folks that don't have my phone number who have

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<v Speaker 1>reached out to me to say, this is really incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a real page turner.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm into it, or I'm listening to the audio book,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel the passion.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, finally, my father has said to me it was

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<v Speaker 1>really tough for him to get through those first few chapters.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, the early stuff was really, really, really hard.

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<v Speaker 1>And now that you know he understands even more about

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<v Speaker 1>what was happening. You know, it hurts, but he's able

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<v Speaker 1>to let it go also, so it's here and release

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<v Speaker 1>of a lot of years and years decades of pent

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<v Speaker 1>up stress, aggravation.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>My mother's like, you need a switch to your ass

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<v Speaker 1>today for the stuff that was happening then that I

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<v Speaker 1>told you not to go, not to do, not to say,

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<v Speaker 1>and so you know, but I know it's hard. I

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<v Speaker 1>know it's hard. I know it's hard for him to

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<v Speaker 1>hear that my teacher, when I was a young girl,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, asked me to sit on his lap, like

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<v Speaker 1>whose father wants to hear that type of experience your

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<v Speaker 1>daughter had and never said anything, just to try to

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<v Speaker 1>keep from there being any you know, anything in the household,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, keep him, you know, try to protect my dad.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's difficult, but nonetheless, as he said that, he

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<v Speaker 1>had to encourage my mother to keep going. Because as

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<v Speaker 1>you get deeper in the book, then it becomes some

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<v Speaker 1>light stuff, some fun stuff, some great moments, and you

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<v Speaker 1>begin to see this person who started in one place

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<v Speaker 1>blossom into something and it all makes sense. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>it all clicks. So that's what I live to tell

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<v Speaker 1>the story it's all about. If you haven't purchased my

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<v Speaker 1>book yet, please please please, I'm asking you to get

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<v Speaker 1>you a copy, give one away for yourself, purchase a copy.

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<v Speaker 2>And an audible version.

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<v Speaker 1>Purchase a copy and an audio version, and an audible

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<v Speaker 1>version rather and a kindle version. Just get it all

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<v Speaker 1>and you know it's all good. So that's that. Let

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<v Speaker 1>me tell you what my thought of the day is today,

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<v Speaker 1>because I know, you know, we are running up against

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<v Speaker 1>time and we have a real good guest coming up

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<v Speaker 1>today that you know, I want us to give the

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<v Speaker 1>proper time too, So I just want to say this publicly,

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<v Speaker 1>and by the way, on this tour, it's freezing across

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<v Speaker 1>the whole country, so you know, that's another part of

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing is that we chose to do this

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<v Speaker 1>in the winter time, and it's phrasing in America. Is

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<v Speaker 1>a freezing where you all live, I don't know, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's definitely freezing everywhere. Degrees two degrees twenty eight thirty

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<v Speaker 1>thirty being like the highest. So that's that makes it

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more challenging, but it is what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's my thought of the day, y'all. If it

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<v Speaker 1>walks like a duct, and it quacks like a duct.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a duck. Okay. We spend a lot of time

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<v Speaker 1>trying to make excuses and find ways to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>make sense of and also to try to take on

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<v Speaker 1>mentally these concepts or thoughts and ideas and realities that's

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<v Speaker 1>around us. And what I mean by that is that

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<v Speaker 1>it's so much shit going on in our society that

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<v Speaker 1>in order to be able to deal with it without

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<v Speaker 1>losing your mind, you will find yourself trying to believe

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<v Speaker 1>and process certain things, hoping maybe what I see I

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<v Speaker 1>don't really see, because what I see is so serious

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<v Speaker 1>that I don't want to see it. That's where we are.

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<v Speaker 1>We just it's like, you know, maybe Donald Trump and

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<v Speaker 1>them are not actually you know, going through the government

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<v Speaker 1>firing people and trying to reduce the number of whistleblowers

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<v Speaker 1>that's around to see what they're doing and to report

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<v Speaker 1>on it. So they're replacing they're taking many people out

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<v Speaker 1>and then replacing people with folks who they claim are

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<v Speaker 1>committed to their principles, people who are more aligned with

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<v Speaker 1>their political strategies, and people who are supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>doing the work to audit the government and find corruption

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<v Speaker 1>and so you try to make yourself believab. Well, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>actually is because there's got to be corruption, because we

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<v Speaker 1>all know that.

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<v Speaker 2>Corruption is absolutely in the government.

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<v Speaker 1>But the problem is that the chief corruptors are looking

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<v Speaker 1>for a way to with corruption and instead what they're

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<v Speaker 1>really doing is replacing people so that their corruption does misdirection,

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<v Speaker 1>so that their corruption does not end them up or

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<v Speaker 1>end up in them being indicted again and again and

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<v Speaker 1>actually having to serve prison time. That's what it is

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<v Speaker 1>they're eluding, if you will, the government looking for places

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<v Speaker 1>where people can make money, where they you know, they

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<v Speaker 1>can get contracts, they can give their friends the things

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<v Speaker 1>that they need, they can restore some relationships, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>just doing their thing right, and that's it. So so

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<v Speaker 1>so it's not so what you see is actually happening

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<v Speaker 1>right in front of you.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>And I would say it's akin to you just being like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't think that my wife, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>is ready to leave me. I don't think my wife

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<v Speaker 1>is ready to leave me. I don't think my wife

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<v Speaker 1>is ready to leave me. I see signs. She don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to have sex, she don't want to talk. We

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<v Speaker 1>don't go anywhere everything looks like she's leaving me, but

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<v Speaker 1>I still want to believe that maybe she's not right.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what we tell ourselves so that we don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to face what's in.

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<v Speaker 2>Front of us.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was doing some research on Elon Musk because

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<v Speaker 1>we believe that he is actually the one who's running

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<v Speaker 1>the show right now. I know that I believe this

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<v Speaker 1>not because of what somebody else told me, but I

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<v Speaker 1>actually have been listening to his words, and now I've

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<v Speaker 1>done some research on where Elon Musk actually comes from.

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<v Speaker 1>Now there may be people out there who are like,

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<v Speaker 1>we already know all of this stuff, but I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think so because I don't hear enough people talking about it.

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<v Speaker 1>So Elon Musk, by the way, is I believe he's

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<v Speaker 1>running things, And like I said, it is because of

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<v Speaker 1>some of the things I've heard him say. So he

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<v Speaker 1>was on a conference call, it's just several days maybe

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<v Speaker 1>a week ago, which was reported in which on a

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<v Speaker 1>conference call he said, you know, if it's now or

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<v Speaker 1>never to do all the things we want to do.

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<v Speaker 1>If we don't get it done now, we're never going

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to do it. So we should just

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<v Speaker 1>do everything we should, you know, reduce the government, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>terminate people, just do everything that we want to do

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<v Speaker 1>now while we can get away with it. And he said,

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<v Speaker 1>if we make a mistake or we miss the mark,

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<v Speaker 1>then we could just add people back. So let's just

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<v Speaker 1>fire people and then we'll find new people to add back.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's his mentality. And then and then Donald Trump says,

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<v Speaker 1>Elon Musk is not doing anything that we have not

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<v Speaker 1>given him the you know, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Green light to do.

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<v Speaker 1>So that means that they've agreed that whatever he's saying

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<v Speaker 1>is what it is. And I interpret it as I

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<v Speaker 1>don't really know Donald Trump, because I'm not that bright

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<v Speaker 1>any damn way, and I don't really know how to

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<v Speaker 1>do it. But I like other people that I see, black, white,

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<v Speaker 1>all kinds of people who are mesmerized by the amount

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<v Speaker 1>of money that Elon Musk has, and therefore they have

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<v Speaker 1>accepted that he must know something because he's been able

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<v Speaker 1>to build all these businesses and he's the world's most

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<v Speaker 1>richest man, and he's got all of this you know,

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<v Speaker 1>wealth and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 2>He's got all these.

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<v Speaker 1>Toys, tunnels under the ground, he's got spaceships, he's got

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<v Speaker 1>all these things. So we're gonna just, you know, pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much figure let him be the lead and we'll see

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<v Speaker 1>if maybe he can do that.

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<v Speaker 2>For the rest of us. Bullshit.

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<v Speaker 1>So number one, I just want to say this. Let

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<v Speaker 1>me just give give you a couple of points. So

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<v Speaker 1>in doing my research, what I found is that Elon

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<v Speaker 1>Musk's grandparents were a part of basically, they were neo Nazis,

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<v Speaker 1>right and his grandparents when they were in Canada, they

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<v Speaker 1>were a part of a right wing society that supported

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<v Speaker 1>be Nazis. They supported the ideals of neo knots. That's

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<v Speaker 1>who they were. This is something verifiable. In fact, In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>his mother May had a boyfriend who tells the story

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<v Speaker 1>that Elon's grandparents who were her It was his girlfriend's parents.

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<v Speaker 1>They were weird, that they had these ideals that were

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<v Speaker 1>like far far right wing ideals. He says that they

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<v Speaker 1>were actually pretty like dangerous and scary people and he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't like them. He didn't even want to be around them.

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<v Speaker 1>So he broke up with her because he was like

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<v Speaker 1>these people, they're not good people. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>be associated with it. This is the grandparents. So we're

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<v Speaker 1>back with it walks like a duck. It quacks like

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<v Speaker 1>a duck, and that's who raised them. So no, these

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<v Speaker 1>other people who raise them. Then you come to his parents,

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<v Speaker 1>his family, and how they got to South Africa.

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<v Speaker 2>It is outlined in multiple articles. It is being.

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<v Speaker 1>Discussed by historians. How they went to You know, obviously

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<v Speaker 1>Canada started to shift to become a little bit more liberal,

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<v Speaker 1>so they weren't able to be as outwardly racist in

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<v Speaker 1>in in Canada, and so they were looking for other places.

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<v Speaker 1>They found South Africa and somewhere that they wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>go because they supported apartheid. They supported apartheid, and so

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<v Speaker 1>they wanted to be there. They went there supporting apartheid.

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<v Speaker 1>Now recently we see that Elon musk In on a

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<v Speaker 1>zoom he was a part of an all right conference

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<v Speaker 1>in for some for some German group, right, these people

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<v Speaker 1>are like extremists as well. He got on their call.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't say, well, I don't think that it's appropriate

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<v Speaker 1>for me to be a part of this type of conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>Understanding who these people are and and understanding their ideals

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<v Speaker 1>and then ultimately how this will look to the Jewish community,

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<v Speaker 1>to Black communities, to everybody, because we know that it

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<v Speaker 1>needs all right groups. Oftentimes that's where you find racist people,

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<v Speaker 1>baked in people who believe in in fascism, and ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>people who believe in apartheid.

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<v Speaker 2>And and and and and.

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<v Speaker 1>Colonialism stealing people's land. Right, So he didn't say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that's an appropriate place for me to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Not only did he go and speak to the people

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<v Speaker 1>at the conference, he told them, hey, I don't you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that we should be moving past the point

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<v Speaker 1>where you will feel guilty about what your ancestors or

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<v Speaker 1>your parents or other people did now again. And then

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<v Speaker 1>of course there is the symbol that he did that

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<v Speaker 1>we know exactly what it looked like, and we believe

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<v Speaker 1>that the symbol was exactly what it represents. So people

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<v Speaker 1>will say, well, I don't you know, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe not maybe his parents, But if the man today

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<v Speaker 1>is still carrying the same mindset, talking points and involved

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<v Speaker 1>in an administration, leading an administration and doing things like

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<v Speaker 1>rolling back diversity, equity and inclusion, speaking of immigrants migrants

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<v Speaker 1>and disable people and other people, degrading them, and wanting

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<v Speaker 1>to criminalize people, talking to President of the United States

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<v Speaker 1>talking about police having immunity. This is the type of

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<v Speaker 1>thing that he is a part of. So why would

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<v Speaker 1>we think that somehow what he said where his family

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<v Speaker 1>comes from the fact that his parents raised him in

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<v Speaker 1>apartheid South Africa. Why would we believe that somehow he

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<v Speaker 1>is not exactly what we see in front of our faces.

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<v Speaker 1>And he is running the government, has access to every

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<v Speaker 1>single bit of our information, our social security numbers, our

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<v Speaker 1>payment systems. Now people will say, well, we think that

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<v Speaker 1>he's good at, you know, seeking out government corruption and whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Elon Musk, the same man who last week called people

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<v Speaker 1>on government assistance people who you know, just folks who

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<v Speaker 1>are regular working people. He said they are parasites. He

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<v Speaker 1>used these words. He used that word. I didn't use

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<v Speaker 1>that word. He said they are parasites. Right, he's also

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<v Speaker 1>a parasite if his definition of people who are taking

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<v Speaker 1>government assistance and government resources are parasites. Let's be clear,

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<v Speaker 1>his businesses failed and he used money from government assistance,

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<v Speaker 1>government subsidies to help him build his businesses back and

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to be the richest man in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>If that's true, I don't know, but that's what they say.

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<v Speaker 1>He used government subsidies. You should just look it up

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<v Speaker 1>so we better be real clear about what we see

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<v Speaker 1>in front of our faces, because a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>are sitting by acting like what we see is normal

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<v Speaker 1>and it's cool, and you know, well, we're gonna see

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<v Speaker 1>what comes out of it. Meanwhile, we've got a rampant

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<v Speaker 1>white supremacist who learn what he knows from a place

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<v Speaker 1>that we fought to ensure that the people of South

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<v Speaker 1>Africa would be free from the type of tyranny that

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<v Speaker 1>his grandparents. At least we know that. I'm still getting

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<v Speaker 1>to understanding where his parents stood. But this is how

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<v Speaker 1>he was raised. This is what these people believe, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is what he now is a part of trying

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<v Speaker 1>to design in our nation, which is an all white,

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<v Speaker 1>all male led nation that leaves everybody else to be

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<v Speaker 1>servants that make sure that other people are in a

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<v Speaker 1>tear or a class beneath him. It is real. It's

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<v Speaker 1>happening in front of your eyes in this particular moment.

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<v Speaker 1>What you see is what it is. It walks like

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<v Speaker 1>a duck, it quacks like a duck, and it is

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<v Speaker 1>an actual duck. So be clear, in fact, we are

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<v Speaker 1>where we think we are.

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<v Speaker 4>No, we're definitely and I have this conversation all the time,

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<v Speaker 4>and you know, it was a lot of people loud

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<v Speaker 4>before the election.

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<v Speaker 3>They're very quiet now.

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<v Speaker 4>You know they've moved on and we're still here because

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<v Speaker 4>we understand the seriousness of what we're dealing with. And

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<v Speaker 4>when I'm listening to Elon, what he's doing is it's

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<v Speaker 4>a playbook. You know, people don't study Hitler, they don't

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<v Speaker 4>study the Nazis. If you study what they did, they

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<v Speaker 4>created distrust in the government. Right, that's the first thing

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<v Speaker 4>you do, and it doesn't have to be true. So

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<v Speaker 4>what he's doing now by saying that there's billions of

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<v Speaker 4>dollars being stolen from our tax player's money, but never

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<v Speaker 4>providing who's stealing it. Right, If you're going through there

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<v Speaker 4>and you're saying that they stole billions of dollars, you're

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<v Speaker 4>saying that they got one hundred and fifty year old

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<v Speaker 4>man that's on social security. What's the man's name, what's

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<v Speaker 4>his social security? Now, if you're saying that people are

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<v Speaker 4>making thirty million dollars that make twenty five, that make

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<v Speaker 4>two hundred and fifty thousand, who are these people? Why

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying. Why don't you have any

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<v Speaker 4>information to substantiate any claim. You just throw that out

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<v Speaker 4>to people who already distrust the government. And you do

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<v Speaker 4>that to people and they just grab onto it. And

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<v Speaker 4>it doesn't have to have basis that just the fact

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<v Speaker 4>that you're inside those rooms, people validate those statements as

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<v Speaker 4>being true.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's very dangerous. And what you do is create

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<v Speaker 3>people to believe.

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<v Speaker 4>That you are the only hope that they have if

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<v Speaker 4>you're the savior, right, you create this set, you create

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<v Speaker 4>the savior process, and you make yourself look like the savior,

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<v Speaker 4>and you're saving American people from shit that you've actually created.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's called misdirection. They missdirection, and they have us

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<v Speaker 4>focusing on this ship while they over actually stealing and

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<v Speaker 4>doing a bunch of shit. Yet the eggs and the

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<v Speaker 4>milk is still not low, and we still have and

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<v Speaker 4>it's actually higher, and nobody's focusing on it, talking about, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>we didn't have no wars. This man is about to

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<v Speaker 4>have damn in World War three. He's talking about taking

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<v Speaker 4>over Gaza. He's ready to empower you know, put in,

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<v Speaker 4>he's empowering Ananiahu. Even more so, it's like for me,

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<v Speaker 4>he made threats like this this is this is a

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<v Speaker 4>is really what I call the ship show is a

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<v Speaker 4>complete ship show, and watching it happen in real time,

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<v Speaker 4>and watching people act like it's not happening, and people

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<v Speaker 4>thinking that we're gonna we're gonna get money and get

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<v Speaker 4>a couple of dollars and it's gonna get out of it.

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<v Speaker 4>Capitalism has never helped black people. It's never got us

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<v Speaker 4>out of our situation.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>I was listening to Nick Cannon. He was doing the

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<v Speaker 4>stand up cor and and I say this all the time.

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<v Speaker 4>He's like, he was like, one hundred years ago black

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<v Speaker 4>people was well had one percent of this America's wealth,

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<v Speaker 4>and he said, you know how much wealth we have

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<v Speaker 4>in America?

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<v Speaker 3>One percent. So you look and you think people are

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<v Speaker 3>doing better.

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<v Speaker 4>You see these things, it's the same exact shit, and

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<v Speaker 4>it tricks you to believe something that's not happening.

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<v Speaker 3>You know. So when we think that, we go, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>the plan is we're gonna.

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<v Speaker 4>Get money, and we goot money and were not unified,

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<v Speaker 4>and we're not building our own and were not on

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<v Speaker 4>the same accord. Gonna be a bunch of people that's

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<v Speaker 4>not unified with money. We're gonna be individuals that spend

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<v Speaker 4>our money and nothing that's built because these people are strategic.

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<v Speaker 4>These people are diabolical and they're strategic and they're building.

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<v Speaker 4>Like Elon Musk, they talking about he got a four

0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:20.280
<v Speaker 4>hundred million dollar contract with the government. That Tesla is

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<v Speaker 4>the call for the government, Like this is this ship

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<v Speaker 4>is real. When they when they fire all the people

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<v Speaker 4>that's supposed to be running these organizations, who you think

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<v Speaker 4>is gonna be running AI is gonna be running everything.

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<v Speaker 4>So this is this they know what they doing. This

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<v Speaker 4>is a play of course, get rid of all these people.

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<v Speaker 4>We go fuck them.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't need a job.

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<v Speaker 4>We're gonna get AI to do the job that they

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<v Speaker 4>got and we're gonna keep the money and we're gonna

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<v Speaker 4>throw it in our pocket and we're gonna say that

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<v Speaker 4>we paid for the resources because these motherfucking AI robots

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<v Speaker 4>that they got is thirty or forty and fifty or

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<v Speaker 4>sixty thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 3>So this they got a strategy.

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<v Speaker 2>We just got it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Still going to take the money and pay for the

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<v Speaker 1>new systems and everything exactly.

0:23:57.680 --> 0:24:01.960
<v Speaker 4>They're gonna go to knocking out accomplish your black ass.

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<v Speaker 1>And these people federal workers who are being fired from

0:24:06.320 --> 0:24:09.359
<v Speaker 1>their jobs every single day that we're not even talking about.

0:24:09.359 --> 0:24:12.200
<v Speaker 1>The faces haven't really appeared on the news because there's

0:24:12.280 --> 0:24:15.520
<v Speaker 1>all these lawsuits going on and so you're not seeing them.

0:24:15.640 --> 0:24:18.680
<v Speaker 1>But they are real, live people who have been working.

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<v Speaker 1>This is how they've maintained their families. Now they will

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<v Speaker 1>not have jobs anymore. And to your point, it's not

0:24:24.880 --> 0:24:28.120
<v Speaker 1>that they're saving any money. They're just going to figure.

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<v Speaker 2>Out how to.

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<v Speaker 1>In robots and building systems and machinery. They're still going

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<v Speaker 1>to spend the money. They're just gonna spend it with

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<v Speaker 1>people who look like them, and they're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>spend it on what they call diversity, equity and inclusion,

0:24:41.160 --> 0:24:44.000
<v Speaker 1>which means that the white men will be in power,

0:24:44.440 --> 0:24:51.160
<v Speaker 1>running everything, controlling the actual machinery, you know, doing the programming.

0:24:51.359 --> 0:24:54.080
<v Speaker 1>Maybe some other people, a little bit of folks. But

0:24:54.280 --> 0:24:56.960
<v Speaker 1>as has been said, I forget the man's name who

0:24:57.040 --> 0:24:59.880
<v Speaker 1>said it, there needs to be white men that's competent

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<v Speaker 1>to help run this country. This is coming out of

0:25:02.560 --> 0:25:05.720
<v Speaker 1>the mouths of people who work within the government that

0:25:05.800 --> 0:25:07.560
<v Speaker 1>it needs to be white men. So they're gonna put

0:25:07.600 --> 0:25:11.879
<v Speaker 1>white men over the entire there in terms of all

0:25:11.920 --> 0:25:15.040
<v Speaker 1>the leadership positions they might have some white women able

0:25:15.080 --> 0:25:18.480
<v Speaker 1>to work in some of the departments to do the

0:25:18.640 --> 0:25:22.159
<v Speaker 1>administrative stuff, and then everybody else is considered to be

0:25:22.320 --> 0:25:26.280
<v Speaker 1>dei and unqualified and they don't need jobs. And let

0:25:26.359 --> 0:25:28.359
<v Speaker 1>me tell you, let me just let me also say

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<v Speaker 1>to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me just also say.

0:25:31.000 --> 0:25:33.520
<v Speaker 1>They have not told you that when they find all

0:25:33.560 --> 0:25:35.800
<v Speaker 1>this money, they're gonna somehow put it back in your pocket.

0:25:35.920 --> 0:25:39.000
<v Speaker 1>They haven't said that, where's the plan, where's the well,

0:25:39.359 --> 0:25:41.800
<v Speaker 1>since we don't since we found all of this money,

0:25:42.000 --> 0:25:45.040
<v Speaker 1>now we're gonna redirect it to you. No. Part of

0:25:45.080 --> 0:25:48.280
<v Speaker 1>the problem is that people who are hearing this, some

0:25:48.359 --> 0:25:50.760
<v Speaker 1>of the people who see folks getting fired and whatever,

0:25:50.800 --> 0:25:54.760
<v Speaker 1>they haters. They're haters. They they it makes them feel

0:25:54.840 --> 0:25:59.120
<v Speaker 1>good that allege fifty two, fifty three years old, who

0:25:59.119 --> 0:26:01.320
<v Speaker 1>has worked for the last twenty years and a good

0:26:01.359 --> 0:26:04.560
<v Speaker 1>government job, that does her work every day. They are

0:26:04.640 --> 0:26:07.199
<v Speaker 1>happy to see that that person got fired because you

0:26:07.240 --> 0:26:09.120
<v Speaker 1>know what, they know, they don't feel like they ever

0:26:09.240 --> 0:26:11.800
<v Speaker 1>made anything of their own lives, Tony.

0:26:11.880 --> 0:26:14.239
<v Speaker 4>And that's that's the thing. That's that's the era we year.

0:26:14.280 --> 0:26:16.720
<v Speaker 4>We're in the era where people are mad at people

0:26:16.760 --> 0:26:19.119
<v Speaker 4>who have been successful, and they want to see you

0:26:19.200 --> 0:26:21.600
<v Speaker 4>fall They do not want to see people who have

0:26:21.640 --> 0:26:23.840
<v Speaker 4>a mass, some level of wealth for success that they

0:26:23.880 --> 0:26:26.040
<v Speaker 4>have in a mass. They do not want that to

0:26:26.080 --> 0:26:30.520
<v Speaker 4>continue on. And they celebrate you losing. They they salivate

0:26:31.000 --> 0:26:34.719
<v Speaker 4>to see somebody fall from grace and and it's terrible.

0:26:34.760 --> 0:26:37.600
<v Speaker 4>And that's what that's That was what Trump's America is

0:26:37.640 --> 0:26:41.960
<v Speaker 4>to me. They want to see people lose. Like there's

0:26:42.000 --> 0:26:46.119
<v Speaker 4>this a meme going around, you know, about about immigration,

0:26:46.720 --> 0:26:49.240
<v Speaker 4>and it has the white man sitting in the middle

0:26:50.000 --> 0:26:53.760
<v Speaker 4>with a whole plate full of cookies, and it's a

0:26:53.800 --> 0:26:56.520
<v Speaker 4>black man, got one cookie on this plate, and then

0:26:56.560 --> 0:26:59.040
<v Speaker 4>there's a Hispanic man on the other side, and a

0:26:59.080 --> 0:27:02.040
<v Speaker 4>white man is looking talking to the black man, saying,

0:27:02.359 --> 0:27:05.960
<v Speaker 4>he's trying to get your cookie, right, and when you

0:27:06.000 --> 0:27:07.639
<v Speaker 4>look at it, he got all the cookies, but he

0:27:07.760 --> 0:27:10.960
<v Speaker 4>telling us to fight over this one cookie because that's

0:27:10.960 --> 0:27:13.120
<v Speaker 4>the cookie that he wants. Your cookie, so you got

0:27:13.280 --> 0:27:15.000
<v Speaker 4>you gotta make sure he get the fuck out of here.

0:27:15.080 --> 0:27:17.159
<v Speaker 4>Don't worry about my cookies. I got a hundred cookies

0:27:17.200 --> 0:27:19.520
<v Speaker 4>over here, but y'all need to you need to protect

0:27:19.520 --> 0:27:21.919
<v Speaker 4>that one cookie you got over there from him. And

0:27:21.920 --> 0:27:24.000
<v Speaker 4>it got us thinking we the enemy. But the reality

0:27:24.040 --> 0:27:26.440
<v Speaker 4>is you're the one that's depriving us of the cookies.

0:27:26.840 --> 0:27:31.479
<v Speaker 1>So there it is, well, I think, speaking of the

0:27:31.520 --> 0:27:35.119
<v Speaker 1>cookies and deprivation and all the things that we're suffering

0:27:35.160 --> 0:27:37.480
<v Speaker 1>with this brother that we have coming up today is

0:27:37.520 --> 0:27:42.159
<v Speaker 1>a part of a cast for a movie called Sing Sing,

0:27:42.560 --> 0:27:45.280
<v Speaker 1>and I look forward to hearing him talk about, you know,

0:27:45.520 --> 0:27:46.400
<v Speaker 1>the success.

0:27:46.520 --> 0:27:48.960
<v Speaker 2>But yet brother Lot.

0:27:50.560 --> 0:27:51.159
<v Speaker 3>Is coming up.

0:27:54.040 --> 0:27:56.800
<v Speaker 4>So once again we have a friend to the room

0:27:56.880 --> 0:28:01.240
<v Speaker 4>or brother to me, someone that I've known a very

0:28:01.280 --> 0:28:04.480
<v Speaker 4>long time, real good brother, and he's doing a million

0:28:04.560 --> 0:28:07.800
<v Speaker 4>things that are positive. You know, he came we were

0:28:07.840 --> 0:28:10.639
<v Speaker 4>incarcerated together, and he came home and he hit.

0:28:10.480 --> 0:28:11.240
<v Speaker 3>The ground running.

0:28:11.840 --> 0:28:14.560
<v Speaker 4>And right now he's like the talk of the town,

0:28:15.000 --> 0:28:18.120
<v Speaker 4>My brother, Clarence Divine, I Macklin, How you doing.

0:28:18.119 --> 0:28:21.000
<v Speaker 5>Pace payse y'all. This's it's a pleasure of blessing to

0:28:21.000 --> 0:28:23.240
<v Speaker 5>be here with you. Brother. Wish I could be in

0:28:23.240 --> 0:28:25.760
<v Speaker 5>the studio in person, man, But you know, my schedule

0:28:25.840 --> 0:28:26.840
<v Speaker 5>is crazy right now.

0:28:27.280 --> 0:28:28.880
<v Speaker 3>We all got the same kind of things.

0:28:28.920 --> 0:28:29.080
<v Speaker 5>You know.

0:28:29.119 --> 0:28:31.840
<v Speaker 4>To me, it's on her book tour, so sh running around.

0:28:31.880 --> 0:28:33.719
<v Speaker 4>I'm helping her do that. And then I got all

0:28:33.760 --> 0:28:36.240
<v Speaker 4>these programs and we're doing boycotts.

0:28:36.240 --> 0:28:38.720
<v Speaker 3>So it's a million stuff going on and the kids.

0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:45.239
<v Speaker 6>So for everybody, man, man, ah man, fantastic. It's just

0:28:45.240 --> 0:28:47.040
<v Speaker 6>been a ride, man, you know what I'm saying. Meeting

0:28:47.160 --> 0:28:49.760
<v Speaker 6>so many fantastic people and having the honor to be

0:28:49.960 --> 0:28:52.440
<v Speaker 6>in the rooms where you know, a lot of the

0:28:52.440 --> 0:28:55.000
<v Speaker 6>people that we watched on TV and watched in the

0:28:55.080 --> 0:28:57.760
<v Speaker 6>movies and all that, and to see them have have

0:28:57.760 --> 0:29:00.640
<v Speaker 6>have like real human problems like the fire and all that,

0:29:01.240 --> 0:29:03.320
<v Speaker 6>real human problems, you know what I'm saying, to see

0:29:03.320 --> 0:29:05.960
<v Speaker 6>how they plumb under that too, Like this pressure don't

0:29:06.040 --> 0:29:07.840
<v Speaker 6>don't don't, don't got a prescription.

0:29:08.000 --> 0:29:09.600
<v Speaker 5>It takes it just bite anybody.

0:29:10.080 --> 0:29:10.520
<v Speaker 3>That's true.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's interesting because you're in uh entertainment, in film,

0:29:16.440 --> 0:29:21.280
<v Speaker 1>filmmaking and acting, and uh to hear you say that

0:29:21.320 --> 0:29:23.240
<v Speaker 1>people are dealing with real life issues.

0:29:23.600 --> 0:29:23.959
<v Speaker 2>Folks.

0:29:24.000 --> 0:29:28.000
<v Speaker 1>Forget that some of the people who lost their homes

0:29:28.120 --> 0:29:32.160
<v Speaker 1>or dealt with the fires in California are regular folks

0:29:32.160 --> 0:29:32.880
<v Speaker 1>who work on.

0:29:32.880 --> 0:29:36.600
<v Speaker 5>Sets, right right, not just only the movie stars.

0:29:36.600 --> 0:29:39.960
<v Speaker 6>You got people that uh make a living from from

0:29:40.120 --> 0:29:43.960
<v Speaker 6>the peripheral things that happen in the industry, like waiting,

0:29:44.000 --> 0:29:46.280
<v Speaker 6>waiting at tables at the galla or something like that,

0:29:46.440 --> 0:29:49.240
<v Speaker 6>or being a waiter of being a cook or whatever.

0:29:49.400 --> 0:29:51.400
<v Speaker 6>You know, their lives are disrupted too.

0:29:52.000 --> 0:29:53.240
<v Speaker 2>Right, absolutely real.

0:29:53.560 --> 0:29:58.160
<v Speaker 4>So I want you to explain the process. Like I said,

0:29:58.320 --> 0:30:02.600
<v Speaker 4>I met Divine in side prison in B Block. You

0:30:02.640 --> 0:30:04.800
<v Speaker 4>know what I'm saying. We was working out together. He

0:30:04.880 --> 0:30:06.440
<v Speaker 4>was like one of the big brothers that took me

0:30:06.480 --> 0:30:09.240
<v Speaker 4>under the wing when I first got to Sing Sing

0:30:09.720 --> 0:30:13.440
<v Speaker 4>And you went from that to coming home to being

0:30:13.720 --> 0:30:16.880
<v Speaker 4>one of the co stars in the movie Sing Sing, Like,

0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:19.480
<v Speaker 4>how did how did that actually happen?

0:30:19.560 --> 0:30:20.000
<v Speaker 3>My brother?

0:30:20.120 --> 0:30:21.960
<v Speaker 5>Well, you know that, you know when you was in there,

0:30:21.960 --> 0:30:23.480
<v Speaker 5>when we was in there, you know, we was putting

0:30:23.520 --> 0:30:27.520
<v Speaker 5>on shows. Yes, Archia Rehabilitation through the arts programs. We

0:30:27.600 --> 0:30:29.840
<v Speaker 5>put on two shows a year. Now.

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<v Speaker 6>First, you know when I first, when I first got there,

0:30:32.200 --> 0:30:34.680
<v Speaker 6>they was already doing it. I had really no intention

0:30:34.840 --> 0:30:38.520
<v Speaker 6>on being an actor, getting on stage, none of that.

0:30:38.640 --> 0:30:39.200
<v Speaker 5>You know what I'm saying.

0:30:39.200 --> 0:30:40.800
<v Speaker 6>What happened was, you know, I was going to the

0:30:40.880 --> 0:30:42.840
<v Speaker 6>yard take care of some business, you.

0:30:42.840 --> 0:30:44.320
<v Speaker 5>Know what our I was on my other thing.

0:30:44.960 --> 0:30:47.920
<v Speaker 6>But you know the yard got shut down because of

0:30:47.960 --> 0:30:50.560
<v Speaker 6>the the thundering and lightning, so we had to divert

0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:53.440
<v Speaker 6>the business, to to to the UH to the chapel

0:30:53.440 --> 0:30:55.720
<v Speaker 6>where they was putting on a plane. You know, when

0:30:55.720 --> 0:30:58.440
<v Speaker 6>you get in there, when you get in there, you

0:30:58.600 --> 0:30:58.960
<v Speaker 6>in there.

0:30:59.080 --> 0:31:02.600
<v Speaker 5>It ain't no early. So now I done took care

0:31:02.600 --> 0:31:04.680
<v Speaker 5>of the bnins. Now I'm just sitting here and I'm watching.

0:31:05.200 --> 0:31:07.840
<v Speaker 5>And as I'm watching, I'm seeing I'm seeing brothers that

0:31:07.880 --> 0:31:10.479
<v Speaker 5>I know from the from the yard, Brothers I know

0:31:10.560 --> 0:31:13.160
<v Speaker 5>from the from from the mess hall, that work in

0:31:13.200 --> 0:31:16.560
<v Speaker 5>the kitchen, lords eye Bury, Brothers that I respect that

0:31:16.680 --> 0:31:18.920
<v Speaker 5>I came to the prison and learn to respect because

0:31:18.920 --> 0:31:21.479
<v Speaker 5>of they handle and you know, because past things they

0:31:21.560 --> 0:31:24.960
<v Speaker 5>they owe g's now, but they had their time and

0:31:25.000 --> 0:31:26.120
<v Speaker 5>they well respected.

0:31:26.520 --> 0:31:28.600
<v Speaker 6>So I'm watching them brothers put it on. And and

0:31:28.680 --> 0:31:30.720
<v Speaker 6>you know, I used to draw and all that when

0:31:30.720 --> 0:31:32.760
<v Speaker 6>I was younger. It's pretty much like you. You and

0:31:32.800 --> 0:31:36.120
<v Speaker 6>the music, the art, the art, it just stays in you,

0:31:36.160 --> 0:31:37.960
<v Speaker 6>no matter I came up with the art, you.

0:31:37.880 --> 0:31:38.320
<v Speaker 2>Know what I mean.

0:31:39.000 --> 0:31:42.760
<v Speaker 6>But it's something about that situation turned that artists back

0:31:42.800 --> 0:31:46.840
<v Speaker 6>on and made me want to reconnect with the artist

0:31:46.920 --> 0:31:48.280
<v Speaker 6>part of me, you know what I mean.

0:31:49.040 --> 0:31:51.520
<v Speaker 5>And and and that's how I got into the program.

0:31:51.640 --> 0:31:51.960
<v Speaker 5>I got it.

0:31:52.000 --> 0:31:54.400
<v Speaker 6>I had to wait a whole year, because you know,

0:31:54.440 --> 0:31:56.880
<v Speaker 6>you can't have no tickets. You can't be getting in

0:31:56.920 --> 0:31:59.200
<v Speaker 6>no trouble or nothing for a whole year before you

0:31:59.240 --> 0:32:02.040
<v Speaker 6>can even get in the program. So you know, at

0:32:02.040 --> 0:32:03.800
<v Speaker 6>that time I was a hot boy son, I was

0:32:03.840 --> 0:32:04.520
<v Speaker 6>getting in trouble.

0:32:04.680 --> 0:32:06.040
<v Speaker 5>I had to wait a whole year.

0:32:06.640 --> 0:32:09.280
<v Speaker 6>I did that shit, got in the program, and like

0:32:09.840 --> 0:32:11.200
<v Speaker 6>kind of like when you learn how to do the

0:32:11.280 --> 0:32:13.440
<v Speaker 6>right and live right, it's kind of hard to go

0:32:13.680 --> 0:32:15.800
<v Speaker 6>back and to live in the same way you used

0:32:15.840 --> 0:32:16.840
<v Speaker 6>to because you.

0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:19.880
<v Speaker 5>Know, now you know what I mean, it's another way.

0:32:20.000 --> 0:32:20.880
<v Speaker 5>We got options.

0:32:20.880 --> 0:32:22.760
<v Speaker 6>I don't have to be I don't have to be

0:32:22.840 --> 0:32:25.600
<v Speaker 6>the yard hound or you know, I don't have to

0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:27.640
<v Speaker 6>be the nigga that's in everything all the time, you

0:32:27.680 --> 0:32:30.240
<v Speaker 6>know what I mean. I got my own goals, I

0:32:30.280 --> 0:32:32.440
<v Speaker 6>got my own life, and I got my own people

0:32:32.920 --> 0:32:35.760
<v Speaker 6>that I'm responsible for coming home a better man too.

0:32:37.120 --> 0:32:39.720
<v Speaker 1>You always know that you wanted to be in arts

0:32:39.720 --> 0:32:41.000
<v Speaker 1>and entertainment.

0:32:41.320 --> 0:32:42.120
<v Speaker 5>No I didn't.

0:32:42.200 --> 0:32:44.400
<v Speaker 6>Actually, I'm like I said, I like to draw and

0:32:44.440 --> 0:32:48.040
<v Speaker 6>paint and be more constructive with my hands. But once

0:32:48.080 --> 0:32:52.360
<v Speaker 6>I seen them doing it, you know, the khaki me

0:32:52.600 --> 0:32:56.600
<v Speaker 6>is like if they could do what I could do, right,

0:32:57.560 --> 0:32:57.960
<v Speaker 6>So you.

0:32:57.880 --> 0:33:01.360
<v Speaker 4>Know I've seen the movie, right, Yeah, you sent me

0:33:01.400 --> 0:33:03.280
<v Speaker 4>to send me to invite, like, yo, pull up to

0:33:03.360 --> 0:33:06.479
<v Speaker 4>the premier. I wanted another one of our brothers. We

0:33:06.520 --> 0:33:09.960
<v Speaker 4>was locked up with my brother Molly mal Thatt there

0:33:10.240 --> 0:33:13.040
<v Speaker 4>and we watched the movie in amazement and the job

0:33:13.160 --> 0:33:16.800
<v Speaker 4>you did. Like, I knew from then that it was

0:33:16.840 --> 0:33:18.880
<v Speaker 4>gonna get the reviews that it got. I knew that

0:33:18.960 --> 0:33:21.240
<v Speaker 4>you were gonna people was gonna look and be like, Yo,

0:33:21.600 --> 0:33:24.160
<v Speaker 4>this dude is a start. Because I was, I was shocked.

0:33:24.240 --> 0:33:26.480
<v Speaker 4>I'm just used to seeing my brother, you know, this

0:33:26.560 --> 0:33:29.160
<v Speaker 4>is my brother. But when I see in that form,

0:33:29.400 --> 0:33:32.280
<v Speaker 4>it was it seemed authentic, but it still seemed like

0:33:32.280 --> 0:33:35.160
<v Speaker 4>you was acting, right, It just it worked.

0:33:35.200 --> 0:33:37.040
<v Speaker 3>It was you, but it was acting.

0:33:37.080 --> 0:33:39.360
<v Speaker 4>It was it was you learned how to turn on emotion,

0:33:39.560 --> 0:33:41.800
<v Speaker 4>turn it off, how to be this at this time.

0:33:42.200 --> 0:33:46.400
<v Speaker 4>And then you was alongside one actor that I loved.

0:33:46.400 --> 0:33:49.240
<v Speaker 3>Domingo was like one of the actors.

0:33:48.760 --> 0:33:51.840
<v Speaker 5>So and one of the greatest people, you know what

0:33:51.880 --> 0:33:54.760
<v Speaker 5>I mean, genuinely just a great dude. Bro.

0:33:56.800 --> 0:33:59.800
<v Speaker 4>Watching y'all feed off the energy that y'all fed off

0:34:00.200 --> 0:34:02.080
<v Speaker 4>each other was just a maculum man.

0:34:02.160 --> 0:34:05.160
<v Speaker 6>So so a lot of people ask me how was

0:34:05.200 --> 0:34:06.760
<v Speaker 6>it to be playing myself?

0:34:06.800 --> 0:34:09.360
<v Speaker 5>But I'm saying, you know that there was a difference.

0:34:09.840 --> 0:34:12.359
<v Speaker 6>There was an acting part in that because what I

0:34:12.360 --> 0:34:14.200
<v Speaker 6>did was I took a lot of the elements from

0:34:14.760 --> 0:34:18.360
<v Speaker 6>experiences that I witnessed, not that I had to partake

0:34:18.440 --> 0:34:22.360
<v Speaker 6>in or even behaviors on a course of that seventeen

0:34:22.360 --> 0:34:25.080
<v Speaker 6>and a half year period and going to college studying

0:34:25.120 --> 0:34:27.680
<v Speaker 6>by studying psychology at the time.

0:34:27.600 --> 0:34:30.120
<v Speaker 5>Getting a degree of in behavioral science.

0:34:30.360 --> 0:34:33.480
<v Speaker 6>While we was there, I'm studying people, so at that time,

0:34:33.719 --> 0:34:38.360
<v Speaker 6>I'm taking behaviors and experience that I already witnessed and

0:34:38.640 --> 0:34:40.440
<v Speaker 6>weaved all that into that character.

0:34:40.520 --> 0:34:42.600
<v Speaker 5>It wasn't just me exactly.

0:34:42.600 --> 0:34:44.400
<v Speaker 4>And that's what That's what I said. It was masterful

0:34:44.400 --> 0:34:46.759
<v Speaker 4>because I know the part of it that was you.

0:34:47.120 --> 0:34:49.640
<v Speaker 4>But then I had him seen where you had to

0:34:49.719 --> 0:34:53.000
<v Speaker 4>improvise and you had to create, you had to draw

0:34:53.160 --> 0:34:55.799
<v Speaker 4>within and and have a skill level. So I just

0:34:55.840 --> 0:34:58.399
<v Speaker 4>wanted to see. It was amazing what you did, man,

0:34:58.440 --> 0:34:58.680
<v Speaker 4>it was.

0:34:58.800 --> 0:35:00.600
<v Speaker 5>I appreciate that can word up.

0:35:01.280 --> 0:35:04.879
<v Speaker 1>Some people would say that it's brilliant right that you

0:35:04.920 --> 0:35:07.000
<v Speaker 1>can actually do that, because not everybody can do it.

0:35:07.040 --> 0:35:09.640
<v Speaker 1>To us, they would and to you know, be in

0:35:09.680 --> 0:35:13.720
<v Speaker 1>a situation where now you have people interviewing you, talking

0:35:13.719 --> 0:35:16.120
<v Speaker 1>to you, asking you to tell more about your story.

0:35:16.400 --> 0:35:19.080
<v Speaker 1>It has to feel like it's bigger than a movie.

0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:23.120
<v Speaker 1>It has to feel like you're really shining a light

0:35:23.200 --> 0:35:26.440
<v Speaker 1>on and bringing awareness to what goes on within the

0:35:26.480 --> 0:35:29.520
<v Speaker 1>system and the human people, because we often forget that.

0:35:29.880 --> 0:35:33.680
<v Speaker 1>We think when we think about prisons and you know,

0:35:33.760 --> 0:35:36.239
<v Speaker 1>people going away, they become a part of like a

0:35:36.360 --> 0:35:39.800
<v Speaker 1>silent society that we never turn out. And you're bringing

0:35:39.840 --> 0:35:42.239
<v Speaker 1>so much attention to it. So does how does that

0:35:42.280 --> 0:35:45.040
<v Speaker 1>feel for you? And what is the message that Sing

0:35:45.160 --> 0:35:47.280
<v Speaker 1>Sing is getting across to the world.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, you know, it feels kind of like I'm putting

0:35:50.080 --> 0:35:54.799
<v Speaker 6>it in an ambassadory position, like I'm an ambassador for

0:35:54.880 --> 0:35:58.400
<v Speaker 6>this message now because I've done the very first film

0:35:58.400 --> 0:35:59.600
<v Speaker 6>festival in San Quentin.

0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:01.840
<v Speaker 5>I was there, we showed the movie.

0:36:01.560 --> 0:36:04.200
<v Speaker 6>I did a conversation with the guys, and I went

0:36:04.239 --> 0:36:09.920
<v Speaker 6>to Utah Prison. I spoke with both women and male prisoners,

0:36:10.280 --> 0:36:12.160
<v Speaker 6>and you know a lot of them are lwops. An

0:36:12.280 --> 0:36:15.839
<v Speaker 6>LWOP is life without parole and a lot of them

0:36:15.840 --> 0:36:18.920
<v Speaker 6>are questioning what is the purpose of change now? And

0:36:19.000 --> 0:36:21.520
<v Speaker 6>my message to them is that the purpose of change

0:36:21.520 --> 0:36:23.640
<v Speaker 6>now may not be for you. It may be for

0:36:23.680 --> 0:36:26.880
<v Speaker 6>those who are watching you, the babies at home, whoever

0:36:26.920 --> 0:36:30.000
<v Speaker 6>looking up to you, for whatever reason, your purpose for

0:36:30.080 --> 0:36:32.520
<v Speaker 6>change could be for them. You know what I'm saying.

0:36:32.560 --> 0:36:34.799
<v Speaker 6>If they could see a better you, then maybe they

0:36:34.800 --> 0:36:37.520
<v Speaker 6>could be a better them. And that may be what

0:36:37.560 --> 0:36:39.759
<v Speaker 6>your mission is now, you know what I mean. So

0:36:39.880 --> 0:36:42.200
<v Speaker 6>that's what my mission would be. That my message to

0:36:42.520 --> 0:36:45.239
<v Speaker 6>those behind the wall, but for those on this side

0:36:45.239 --> 0:36:47.480
<v Speaker 6>of the wall, my message would be that the people

0:36:47.520 --> 0:36:51.080
<v Speaker 6>inside prison are just that people, and they shouldn't. You

0:36:51.120 --> 0:36:54.719
<v Speaker 6>should see some redeemable qualities in everybody. I mean, if

0:36:54.760 --> 0:36:57.720
<v Speaker 6>you are a religious person, if you are a righteous

0:36:57.719 --> 0:37:01.520
<v Speaker 6>person who goes by whatever spiritual you go to, then

0:37:01.560 --> 0:37:06.440
<v Speaker 6>you know that there's redeemable qualities in everyone. Does that

0:37:06.520 --> 0:37:11.000
<v Speaker 6>stop when you get simplest? Am I no longer redeemable?

0:37:11.160 --> 0:37:12.640
<v Speaker 6>Can I still be up some good?

0:37:13.480 --> 0:37:17.160
<v Speaker 4>And that's the question, and that's the question that we

0:37:17.200 --> 0:37:19.960
<v Speaker 4>all got to we all got to answer within ourselves,

0:37:20.040 --> 0:37:22.960
<v Speaker 4>you know, like being incarcerated, how long did you do?

0:37:23.120 --> 0:37:26.040
<v Speaker 5>Actually I did seventeen and a half years in prison.

0:37:26.400 --> 0:37:29.240
<v Speaker 4>After doing seventeen and a half years, coming home. You

0:37:29.239 --> 0:37:32.640
<v Speaker 4>you made up your mind that you was redeemable. Because

0:37:32.960 --> 0:37:36.840
<v Speaker 4>this is although you've taken acting and you hitting the

0:37:36.880 --> 0:37:40.479
<v Speaker 4>ground runner and I foresee you just doing amazing things.

0:37:40.520 --> 0:37:42.120
<v Speaker 3>But that wasn't the first thing you did.

0:37:42.160 --> 0:37:45.960
<v Speaker 4>You came home dealing with at risk youth, mentoring kids,

0:37:46.280 --> 0:37:48.719
<v Speaker 4>you know, doing all of those things in schools, and

0:37:48.760 --> 0:37:51.719
<v Speaker 4>we were working together to do things right right, So

0:37:52.280 --> 0:37:54.840
<v Speaker 4>we all knew that we had things to offer. We

0:37:54.880 --> 0:37:57.239
<v Speaker 4>all knew that our experiences and the things that we

0:37:57.360 --> 0:38:00.680
<v Speaker 4>went through and we had redeemable qualities we can offer

0:38:00.719 --> 0:38:04.120
<v Speaker 4>to these these children into the next generation. So now

0:38:04.280 --> 0:38:08.080
<v Speaker 4>you've taken not only did you take that warrior spirit

0:38:08.320 --> 0:38:12.640
<v Speaker 4>and that redeemable quality and come back outside with it,

0:38:12.880 --> 0:38:16.200
<v Speaker 4>now you put it into this actor and it's amazing

0:38:16.280 --> 0:38:18.719
<v Speaker 4>just watching this transition. How many awards have you been

0:38:19.200 --> 0:38:19.799
<v Speaker 4>have you won?

0:38:19.880 --> 0:38:20.600
<v Speaker 3>Like every time?

0:38:20.600 --> 0:38:25.279
<v Speaker 6>I think, like twenty one, twenty one awards and like

0:38:25.400 --> 0:38:27.640
<v Speaker 6>thirty something nominations.

0:38:29.160 --> 0:38:30.680
<v Speaker 5>I'm still on the road though, I'm about to go

0:38:30.680 --> 0:38:33.400
<v Speaker 5>get that. I'm about to get the NAACP.

0:38:33.880 --> 0:38:38.279
<v Speaker 6>Image Award, the Spirit Award Oscar hopefully you know.

0:38:38.360 --> 0:38:39.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

0:38:39.840 --> 0:38:45.600
<v Speaker 1>Speaking into existence. You were supposed to attend something in Europe.

0:38:46.080 --> 0:38:52.280
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, the Bathter, the Bafter, It's like the British equivalent

0:38:52.400 --> 0:38:55.520
<v Speaker 6>equivalent of the Oscars.

0:38:55.800 --> 0:38:58.160
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so you're supposed to be there, but you were

0:38:58.200 --> 0:39:03.399
<v Speaker 1>denied entry. Yeah, told, you're denied entry into Europe? How

0:39:03.400 --> 0:39:05.680
<v Speaker 1>does that feel that the concept?

0:39:05.840 --> 0:39:06.279
<v Speaker 2>What is it?

0:39:06.320 --> 0:39:10.200
<v Speaker 1>The collateral consequences? As our brother Jay Jordan would say,

0:39:10.719 --> 0:39:11.839
<v Speaker 1>still Linger.

0:39:12.440 --> 0:39:16.080
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it makes you feel like someone wants me to

0:39:16.120 --> 0:39:18.400
<v Speaker 6>be reminded that I'm a product. And you know what

0:39:18.440 --> 0:39:21.920
<v Speaker 6>I'm saying, I belong to someone or something because the

0:39:22.040 --> 0:39:26.439
<v Speaker 6>stigma that's attached to me is more than thirty years old.

0:39:26.800 --> 0:39:29.879
<v Speaker 6>The last time I had police contact was more than

0:39:29.920 --> 0:39:33.440
<v Speaker 6>thirty years ago. So how long am I supposed to

0:39:33.440 --> 0:39:34.960
<v Speaker 6>be an ex offender?

0:39:35.400 --> 0:39:39.800
<v Speaker 5>How long am I an ex felon? How long? You

0:39:39.840 --> 0:39:41.640
<v Speaker 5>know what I mean? I thought the debt was supposed

0:39:41.680 --> 0:39:44.960
<v Speaker 5>to be paid, whether I did it or not, the

0:39:45.080 --> 0:39:47.400
<v Speaker 5>time is paid or right now? So why am I

0:39:47.440 --> 0:39:50.080
<v Speaker 5>still stigmatized? And why is it cool?

0:39:50.400 --> 0:39:52.600
<v Speaker 6>I know it's not on the part of the bastards,

0:39:52.600 --> 0:39:54.680
<v Speaker 6>It's not a part. It's not on the part of

0:39:54.719 --> 0:39:57.560
<v Speaker 6>the people that wanted me there. Shout out to them,

0:39:57.640 --> 0:39:59.680
<v Speaker 6>Shout out to all the love I received from.

0:39:59.600 --> 0:40:03.240
<v Speaker 5>Across the poem, because I got a lot from brothers

0:40:03.239 --> 0:40:05.640
<v Speaker 5>and sisters over there that I've met in these states

0:40:05.920 --> 0:40:09.319
<v Speaker 5>on this on this Oscar run, on this awards run

0:40:09.760 --> 0:40:12.279
<v Speaker 5>with all these great people I've met that are over

0:40:12.320 --> 0:40:16.959
<v Speaker 5>there now, and they're thoroughly up there as upset as

0:40:17.000 --> 0:40:19.719
<v Speaker 5>or maybe even more upset than I am that I'm

0:40:19.760 --> 0:40:24.080
<v Speaker 5>not there because of what it's seen in how juxtaposed

0:40:24.120 --> 0:40:28.120
<v Speaker 5>it is to the message in the.

0:40:28.520 --> 0:40:32.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah you know, it almost makes the point of the film.

0:40:32.719 --> 0:40:36.319
<v Speaker 5>Right, it does. Actually, Yeah, well.

0:40:36.320 --> 0:40:39.120
<v Speaker 1>I think you know, what you're doing is amazing. I

0:40:39.120 --> 0:40:42.520
<v Speaker 1>hope that every person, first of all sees it, but

0:40:42.600 --> 0:40:46.160
<v Speaker 1>certainly young folks who are coming up or people who

0:40:46.239 --> 0:40:50.560
<v Speaker 1>might be, you know, in their early adulthood, because I

0:40:50.600 --> 0:40:54.000
<v Speaker 1>think what you are trying to do now is it

0:40:54.000 --> 0:40:58.720
<v Speaker 1>will help somebody to see the perspectives and make different decisions,

0:40:58.760 --> 0:41:01.920
<v Speaker 1>and so hopefully that's quite a loud I wish you

0:41:01.960 --> 0:41:06.840
<v Speaker 1>an Oscar, I wish you the NAACP Award and everything else,

0:41:06.920 --> 0:41:09.279
<v Speaker 1>because you know, it's not easy. It's just like in

0:41:09.360 --> 0:41:12.600
<v Speaker 1>my book, it's not easy to tell people your true

0:41:12.640 --> 0:41:16.400
<v Speaker 1>story and to like be vulnerable and open up spaces

0:41:16.400 --> 0:41:19.239
<v Speaker 1>and wounds. I can't imagine how it feels for you

0:41:19.680 --> 0:41:23.880
<v Speaker 1>having to play a part that's it wasn't all good days, right,

0:41:24.000 --> 0:41:27.920
<v Speaker 1>seven right, had to open up some wounds.

0:41:28.280 --> 0:41:28.480
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:41:28.520 --> 0:41:31.400
<v Speaker 6>Well, you know, it's got to be a level of

0:41:31.480 --> 0:41:34.120
<v Speaker 6>apprehension to walk right back into a place that you

0:41:34.200 --> 0:41:37.799
<v Speaker 6>clawed yourself out of. You did everything to get out

0:41:37.840 --> 0:41:40.760
<v Speaker 6>of this spot, you know what I mean, And to

0:41:40.880 --> 0:41:44.520
<v Speaker 6>voluntarily walk back in and to voluntarily put back on

0:41:45.040 --> 0:41:48.120
<v Speaker 6>the same uniform that so readily identifies you as an

0:41:48.160 --> 0:41:52.280
<v Speaker 6>outcast to everybody, with the number and everything, your whole

0:41:52.320 --> 0:41:53.799
<v Speaker 6>identity being reduced to this.

0:41:53.880 --> 0:41:57.120
<v Speaker 5>Number on your show, on your shirt. And so it's

0:41:57.120 --> 0:41:57.640
<v Speaker 5>got to be some.

0:41:58.000 --> 0:42:01.040
<v Speaker 6>But however, the message that needed to be given to

0:42:01.040 --> 0:42:04.960
<v Speaker 6>the people about people in here, about people who find

0:42:05.000 --> 0:42:08.360
<v Speaker 6>themselves in hell, because you got to be a different

0:42:08.440 --> 0:42:13.719
<v Speaker 6>kind of strong to to find yourself in hell. You know,

0:42:14.040 --> 0:42:17.279
<v Speaker 6>it's a different level of strength needed here and to

0:42:17.560 --> 0:42:20.400
<v Speaker 6>and to hold on to that, to hold on to

0:42:20.520 --> 0:42:22.719
<v Speaker 6>that is a different kind of strength, you know.

0:42:22.880 --> 0:42:26.560
<v Speaker 5>So, but that message that these kind of people.

0:42:26.360 --> 0:42:30.600
<v Speaker 6>Do exist inside hell, people that has found themselves and

0:42:30.719 --> 0:42:32.239
<v Speaker 6>has held on to themselves.

0:42:33.000 --> 0:42:34.800
<v Speaker 5>So that message needed to be heard.

0:42:35.640 --> 0:42:37.960
<v Speaker 4>Wow, So you have a new film called Sing Sing.

0:42:38.040 --> 0:42:39.239
<v Speaker 4>Tell us what it's about.

0:42:40.000 --> 0:42:42.920
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, same thing is really it's uh, it's filmed this

0:42:43.160 --> 0:42:45.560
<v Speaker 5>it's framed inside of a prison, but it's not a

0:42:45.600 --> 0:42:49.520
<v Speaker 5>prison movie. It's more of a human story about growth, transformation,

0:42:50.080 --> 0:42:54.120
<v Speaker 5>about being tender and gentle in a place where those

0:42:54.160 --> 0:42:57.799
<v Speaker 5>things are not really allowed. So it's about becoming, it's

0:42:57.800 --> 0:43:00.920
<v Speaker 5>about growing, it's about men in a sense.

0:43:01.360 --> 0:43:03.440
<v Speaker 4>When I when I watched it, that's what I got,

0:43:03.800 --> 0:43:06.120
<v Speaker 4>you know. I sat there and and I and I'm

0:43:06.160 --> 0:43:09.759
<v Speaker 4>a very I watched movies, Yeah, and I and I

0:43:09.840 --> 0:43:11.600
<v Speaker 4>just picked it apart and it was like it really

0:43:11.600 --> 0:43:14.560
<v Speaker 4>sto It told the tale and it was like being

0:43:14.960 --> 0:43:18.040
<v Speaker 4>somebody who was in Sing Sing knowing you know.

0:43:18.280 --> 0:43:21.680
<v Speaker 3>The intricates. It brought me back to being in Sing

0:43:21.760 --> 0:43:23.239
<v Speaker 3>Sing like it brought me back.

0:43:23.280 --> 0:43:25.799
<v Speaker 4>And then at the end of the movie, it shows

0:43:26.200 --> 0:43:28.600
<v Speaker 4>brothers that we were locked up and doing the program.

0:43:29.640 --> 0:43:32.319
<v Speaker 4>It literally shows the program, and I see, like, I

0:43:32.360 --> 0:43:37.439
<v Speaker 4>see like for there, I see, I see, I see

0:43:37.600 --> 0:43:40.800
<v Speaker 4>all the brother I see Shorty King. I'm looking like wow,

0:43:41.160 --> 0:43:43.719
<v Speaker 4>brothers that we was literally locked up with and they's

0:43:43.719 --> 0:43:46.080
<v Speaker 4>showing the pieces of it at the end, and it

0:43:46.160 --> 0:43:50.440
<v Speaker 4>warmed my heart just to see the evolution that we've made.

0:43:50.760 --> 0:43:53.880
<v Speaker 4>So I just I'm so proud of you brother, you know,

0:43:54.080 --> 0:43:56.359
<v Speaker 4>and and and I believe that you're definitely gonna get

0:43:56.360 --> 0:43:59.040
<v Speaker 4>that Oscar because you deserve it, you know, in this

0:43:59.120 --> 0:44:03.000
<v Speaker 4>little minuset with the Bastra, you know, next the next film,

0:44:03.000 --> 0:44:05.520
<v Speaker 4>they're gonna make sure that they give you a clemency

0:44:05.680 --> 0:44:07.959
<v Speaker 4>to make sure to get out there because you're gonna

0:44:08.000 --> 0:44:10.239
<v Speaker 4>be such a big star that they're gonna make sure

0:44:10.239 --> 0:44:10.960
<v Speaker 4>that you're out there.

0:44:10.960 --> 0:44:13.719
<v Speaker 3>So man, continue, continue to do what you made to do.

0:44:13.840 --> 0:44:17.120
<v Speaker 4>Man, you always had even and I tell this other

0:44:17.160 --> 0:44:19.160
<v Speaker 4>til You've always been a good dude, even when you

0:44:19.200 --> 0:44:21.440
<v Speaker 4>was out there doing whatever you was in jail, when

0:44:21.440 --> 0:44:23.319
<v Speaker 4>you was hustling, it was never negativity.

0:44:23.600 --> 0:44:26.040
<v Speaker 3>Your energy was always authentic.

0:44:26.320 --> 0:44:29.560
<v Speaker 4>You embrace me, little brother, make sure I was safe

0:44:29.600 --> 0:44:31.680
<v Speaker 4>all the time, make sure I was good, worked out

0:44:31.719 --> 0:44:33.840
<v Speaker 4>with me, pushed me to the next level, all of

0:44:33.880 --> 0:44:34.279
<v Speaker 4>those things.

0:44:34.320 --> 0:44:36.560
<v Speaker 3>So I just want to say, man, I appreciate you.

0:44:36.640 --> 0:44:40.239
<v Speaker 5>Man. Yeah, good looking bro, Thank you brother, Thank you

0:44:40.320 --> 0:44:42.200
<v Speaker 5>such that's amazing.

0:44:42.280 --> 0:44:44.720
<v Speaker 2>It's amazing to hear you all bond in this way.

0:44:45.040 --> 0:44:47.719
<v Speaker 1>And I love it. I'm so proud of you for

0:44:47.800 --> 0:44:51.239
<v Speaker 1>what you're doing. Keep going sing. Thing is just one.

0:44:51.600 --> 0:44:55.719
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna have ten, fifteen, twenty more films to come.

0:44:55.800 --> 0:44:58.360
<v Speaker 1>And we know that's true. We claiming it, already claiming

0:44:58.360 --> 0:45:00.920
<v Speaker 1>the hour and the whole thing. It's gonna happen.

0:45:02.920 --> 0:45:05.359
<v Speaker 5>Thank you so much, Thank you for having me.

0:45:05.480 --> 0:45:08.960
<v Speaker 1>He is your life away. God has to restore you

0:45:09.000 --> 0:45:10.000
<v Speaker 1>and give you something back.

0:45:10.080 --> 0:45:10.920
<v Speaker 3>So you good.

0:45:12.200 --> 0:45:16.040
<v Speaker 5>Thank you, I love you, brother, be safe man, a

0:45:16.200 --> 0:45:17.600
<v Speaker 5>right peace. Thank you.

0:45:19.920 --> 0:45:20.440
<v Speaker 3>Shout out to.

0:45:20.480 --> 0:45:24.080
<v Speaker 4>My brother claimence divine I macklin Man. As you can see,

0:45:24.080 --> 0:45:27.120
<v Speaker 4>he's one of the most authentic people. His energy has

0:45:27.160 --> 0:45:30.319
<v Speaker 4>always been like that. You know, when I first met him,

0:45:30.360 --> 0:45:33.160
<v Speaker 4>he had dreads, he was working out. He was probably

0:45:33.280 --> 0:45:35.319
<v Speaker 4>one of the most diesel dudes in the jail. Used

0:45:35.320 --> 0:45:38.240
<v Speaker 4>to have me on the market and working out. Always

0:45:38.280 --> 0:45:40.720
<v Speaker 4>been a good dude man. So to see him elevate

0:45:40.800 --> 0:45:43.480
<v Speaker 4>to this place, you gotta see Sacy. I'm making sure

0:45:43.520 --> 0:45:45.239
<v Speaker 4>you see sing sing real soon.

0:45:45.640 --> 0:45:50.239
<v Speaker 1>This Absolutely he's very animated. He's going to have a

0:45:50.360 --> 0:45:54.600
<v Speaker 1>great career in entertainment, and thankfully he's able to do

0:45:54.840 --> 0:45:55.960
<v Speaker 1>entertainment with a purpose.

0:45:56.040 --> 0:45:59.759
<v Speaker 3>So with a purpose. So that brings me to my

0:45:59.800 --> 0:46:01.359
<v Speaker 3>eyes don't get it. Now.

0:46:01.520 --> 0:46:04.480
<v Speaker 4>What I don't get is, you know, the super Bowl happened,

0:46:05.080 --> 0:46:08.720
<v Speaker 4>and it's just been all of this talk about Kendrick

0:46:08.760 --> 0:46:13.359
<v Speaker 4>Lamar and you know, and people are angry, and it

0:46:13.400 --> 0:46:16.920
<v Speaker 4>was I don't understand why white people are so mad

0:46:17.440 --> 0:46:20.920
<v Speaker 4>that a black man decided to talk about black stuff

0:46:20.960 --> 0:46:23.279
<v Speaker 4>when he had an opportunity. And it's a in a

0:46:23.360 --> 0:46:26.520
<v Speaker 4>stage like it really is crazy to me, like white

0:46:26.520 --> 0:46:29.440
<v Speaker 4>people are pissed off. They got this one actor, you know,

0:46:29.640 --> 0:46:32.759
<v Speaker 4>his name is Robert d v and he's been in

0:46:32.920 --> 0:46:34.880
<v Speaker 4>like a lot of gang movies.

0:46:34.600 --> 0:46:38.799
<v Speaker 3>And you know, gangst the movies, and he plays a gangster.

0:46:38.560 --> 0:46:40.520
<v Speaker 4>Life and he is so pisched off and he said,

0:46:40.520 --> 0:46:42.800
<v Speaker 4>I'm tired of the street stuff and I'm tired of

0:46:42.840 --> 0:46:45.680
<v Speaker 4>the ratchet stuff, tired of gangstter this and that, and

0:46:45.760 --> 0:46:47.520
<v Speaker 4>I don't want to hear it no more. You know,

0:46:47.600 --> 0:46:51.799
<v Speaker 4>let's go back to to to blues music and jazz

0:46:51.920 --> 0:46:55.439
<v Speaker 4>and you know who who authorized Kendrick to be there?

0:46:55.480 --> 0:46:58.359
<v Speaker 4>You hear all types of people. So I just don't

0:46:58.400 --> 0:47:00.399
<v Speaker 4>know why white people are mad at Kendrick them all.

0:47:01.000 --> 0:47:03.440
<v Speaker 4>But I really don't get it. Like the man I

0:47:03.520 --> 0:47:06.640
<v Speaker 4>loved it. To me, it was the best halftime performance

0:47:06.960 --> 0:47:09.919
<v Speaker 4>and numbers of men live women line and numbers don't

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<v Speaker 4>the numbers say it's the best, is the most viewed

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<v Speaker 4>of old times? Y'all still curitique any two weeks afterwards.

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<v Speaker 4>So I don't understand what the white people were so

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<v Speaker 4>mad about.

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<v Speaker 3>I really don't. I just don't get it for you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not just white people. I think that there are

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<v Speaker 1>black folks that are also, you know, feeling whatever kind

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<v Speaker 1>of way about his performance. But I think the best

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<v Speaker 1>meme that I saw was the one that said, you

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<v Speaker 1>know how many times white people have performed?

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know anything they were.

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<v Speaker 1>Saying nothing, didn't know what they were saying, didn't understand

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<v Speaker 1>any of the lyrics.

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<v Speaker 2>Then the music doesn't resonate with me.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't want to.

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<v Speaker 3>Watch the Grammys to say that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean you were saying, people's what Grammys and

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<v Speaker 4>I be like, who the hell is this and where

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<v Speaker 4>did this song come from?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I promise you.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm not suggesting that she's good, bad, or indifferent,

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<v Speaker 1>because I have no problem with tail Swift. She never

0:48:06.200 --> 0:48:09.720
<v Speaker 1>did anything to me. I think she's fine. She seems

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<v Speaker 1>to be beloved by lots of young kids, and especially

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<v Speaker 1>white kids, love a lover a lover.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm fine with her.

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<v Speaker 1>Taylor Swift, I got no problem because don't want anybody

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<v Speaker 1>sayd to Meka said Taylor Swift.

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<v Speaker 2>I have no problem with her.

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<v Speaker 1>But what I will say is that I did not

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<v Speaker 1>even know who she was or what she said.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know.

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<v Speaker 1>All of a sudden, I started to hear that Taylor

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<v Speaker 1>Swift had more of a following and was actually more

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<v Speaker 1>I guess prominent if you are, or bigger celebrity than Beyonce.

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<v Speaker 1>So when I heard that, I'm like, who y'all talk

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<v Speaker 1>like it's just that's really hard to accomplish being a

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<v Speaker 1>bigger celebrity than Beyonce. So I'm like, who is this?

0:48:50.520 --> 0:48:52.640
<v Speaker 1>It was Taylor Swift? And then people went back and

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<v Speaker 1>reminded me of Kanye and you know, the different things

0:48:56.320 --> 0:48:58.839
<v Speaker 1>that's happened throughout her career, and I'm like, oh, that's her.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know who tell us with this. I could

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<v Speaker 1>not sing. If you right now said I better sing

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<v Speaker 1>it or you're gonna throw eggs on me, I would

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<v Speaker 1>be egged up because I don't know the worst songs.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know them.

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<v Speaker 3>I know probably like one or two songs.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just but I don't even know I know it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know that I know her songs. I know

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<v Speaker 1>I know certain people's songs. I know I know Bruce

0:49:24.520 --> 0:49:29.239
<v Speaker 1>Springs things music. I know I know Madonna's music. I

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<v Speaker 1>know I know certain white folks. I know what they sing,

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<v Speaker 1>and I like it right, and I like it, or

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<v Speaker 1>at least it's mall music that every time I walk

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<v Speaker 1>in a certain store, I hear the same songs they

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<v Speaker 1>played on the plane.

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<v Speaker 2>I get it. It is what it is. I did

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<v Speaker 2>not know who.

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<v Speaker 1>Taylor Swift was until recently when they started talking about

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<v Speaker 1>her and Beyonce and sort of making comparisons there. And

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<v Speaker 1>I love the fact that her and Beyonce came out together,

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<v Speaker 1>like we're not allowing this to be a thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But nonetheless, I didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Know she was.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not mad when they have white artists. I expect

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<v Speaker 1>that over the cycle of time, there's gonna be different

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<v Speaker 1>types of people that come with different types of music

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<v Speaker 1>and so what. And then when they said then they said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>he couldn't find one white person. You know, I meantimes

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<v Speaker 1>I've watched white people do everything all white everything. Everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything's music, jobs, companies, boardrooms, I mean shit everything. The

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<v Speaker 1>damn president has a primarily almost every single person white cabinet,

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<v Speaker 1>So like, what are you talking about? And I can't

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<v Speaker 1>even tell you who's the person that's not white? And certainly,

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<v Speaker 1>even if there is somebody there that's not white, I

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<v Speaker 1>think there's a black man over.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe it was Hud I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Position.

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<v Speaker 1>Even if he ain't on No TV, ain't nobody pumping

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<v Speaker 1>him up. He ain't in the Oval office, but we're

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<v Speaker 1>seeing them all the time, and he's standing next to Trunk.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't so what's the problem.

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<v Speaker 4>It comes with the game? Man, get over it. It's

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<v Speaker 4>not for you. If you didn't like it, good, I

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<v Speaker 4>loved it.

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<v Speaker 5>Let's go k that.

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<v Speaker 2>People not happy with you for liking it so much?

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<v Speaker 3>Man, people.

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<v Speaker 4>Did you say if you mad? Scratch your ass and

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<v Speaker 4>get glad. So that brings us to the end of

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<v Speaker 4>another episode of the TMI Show. Thank you for all

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