Speaker 1: I'm Tamika D.
Speaker 2: Mallory and the.
Speaker 3: Shit Boy my son in general.
Speaker 1: We are your host of TMI.
Speaker 4: Tamika and my Song's information, truth, motivation and.
Speaker 1: Inspiration, new energy.
Speaker 2: What's up, my songle How you doing today?
Speaker 3: I'm good to make a D. Mallory? How you feeling today?
Speaker 1: I'm good book tours and progress.
Speaker 5: People.
Speaker 1: When I say that, my friends are showing out, not
Speaker 1: just friends, but everybody on the team. People are working together.
Speaker 1: You know, as I said to you, I really have
Speaker 1: been pouring my heart and soul into this project, really
Speaker 1: doing the same work that I've done for everything else,
Speaker 1: doing it for myself, and I am so very proud
Speaker 1: of you know what I've been able to accomplish thus far,
Speaker 1: and a lot of it. I have four dates that
Speaker 1: were planned specifically by the publishers, so Simon and Schuster
Speaker 1: work on them.
Speaker 2: Shout out to my girls Shya car who has been.
Speaker 1: Busting up her sides working really hard to make sure
Speaker 1: that we have the right events, the right PR and
Speaker 1: all of that. And very grateful to her Serena Oglesby
Speaker 1: who has taken on the PR around other things and
Speaker 1: helping us to target local markets. Awesome obviously the rest
Speaker 1: of the team, LaToya and everybody that I don't even
Speaker 1: have to mention because I say all the time that
Speaker 1: they have really really been working together as a well
Speaker 1: oil machine to make this thing happen. But my friends
Speaker 1: who have churches, who have different, different places and experiences
Speaker 1: that they can offer, they have been doing the work.
Speaker 1: They've been acting like this book is their own. And
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful to everybody. If I start naming people,
Speaker 1: I'll leave somebody out, so I know better than to
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 2: But everything from.
Speaker 1: My party that you all helped to put together for
Speaker 1: me in New York City, obviously Charlemagne and ni kiavs
Speaker 1: there and did such a great job. And then in
Speaker 1: and on Thursday, and a shout out also to Duce
Speaker 1: and Poppy Wines for providing us with all the wine
Speaker 1: and spirits.
Speaker 2: It was at a place.
Speaker 1: If you live in New York City, you need to
Speaker 1: make sure you go to Pebe Brasserie on one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty fifth Street. It's sixty West one hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty fifth Street. It is an African own An inspired restaurant, steakhouse.
Speaker 1: Amazing food always amazing, and the food was actually good
Speaker 1: that night. Then we you know, went into January to
Speaker 1: February thirteenth, which we had a nice event at the
Speaker 1: New York Public Library with my friend Janelle Aggie, who
Speaker 1: is the executive director of Editorial at Ebony Magazine and
Speaker 1: the Public Advocate of New York City Jimani Williams. And
Speaker 1: then it has just gone on and on, from Jamal
Speaker 1: Bryant his church to now you know, we've had a
Speaker 1: number of events across the country. I again, I don't
Speaker 1: want to get myself in trouble, but it has just
Speaker 1: been people open indoors, people saying can you come here,
Speaker 1: I'm buying this book. One hundred, two hundred, three hundred,
Speaker 1: people just really doing their thing, And so I am
Speaker 1: so very appreciative of every single bit of support because
Speaker 1: you know, it's not easy to sell a book. We
Speaker 1: all know that it's not easy to tell your life story,
Speaker 1: it's not easy to be vulnerable, it's not easy to
Speaker 1: do any of these things. And people don't got to
Speaker 1: buy anything from you, nobody, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: There's no guarantee that somebody's gonna say, oh, let me
Speaker 1: go pick up to Meeka Mallory's book they could say
Speaker 1: it's not the time, I'm not interested.
Speaker 2: But folks have not just been buying one book.
Speaker 1: They've been buying five and ten books and sending them
Speaker 1: to friends and posting on socials.
Speaker 2: And I'm just very very.
Speaker 1: Very very very very appreciative that my story, my book
Speaker 1: I live to tell the story is doing as well
Speaker 1: as it's doing. So that's that's my testimony.
Speaker 4: No, it's an amazing book. I'm gonna do chapter three
Speaker 4: right now. And you know, it was a bad little girl.
Speaker 4: I could see you just running around with pigtails and
Speaker 4: your mother like what is going on with you? But
Speaker 4: it's it's a it's a beautiful read so far. And
Speaker 4: everybody that I hear you know, they break out in tears.
Speaker 4: And I just want to say, congratulations. Man, Like you said,
Speaker 4: you worked hard, you put it in. This's your second book.
Speaker 4: And I know the emotions that go into this book
Speaker 4: because you know, you speak, you're very open about your
Speaker 4: past and about all these things. A lot of things
Speaker 4: you you never talked about, but things that I know
Speaker 4: that you talked about then I know, just reliving those
Speaker 4: things publicly, but publicly they're just reliving those things, you know,
Speaker 4: and going retraumatizing yourself, you know. And I've seen a
Speaker 4: lot of times you talk about just as you read
Speaker 4: and you did the audio version that you you had
Speaker 4: to cry a lot of times because you know, it
Speaker 4: touched you in a different way. So I just wanted
Speaker 4: to say, man, we appreciate you, we honor you, and
Speaker 4: continue to be great.
Speaker 3: And the book is going to do amazing because it's
Speaker 3: supposed to.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, I hope, so I believe. So it's already
Speaker 1: throwing amazing. And the good thing about understanding the world
Speaker 1: we live in is that for me, the win is
Speaker 1: that I got it done. I put it in the world,
Speaker 1: and there have been hundreds of people who I'm in
Speaker 1: touch with. So there's even more than that in terms
Speaker 1: of folks that don't have my phone number who have
Speaker 1: reached out to me to say, this is really incredible.
Speaker 2: It's a real page turner.
Speaker 1: I'm into it, or I'm listening to the audio book,
Speaker 1: I feel the passion.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: Now, finally, my father has said to me it was
Speaker 1: really tough for him to get through those first few chapters.
Speaker 1: He said, the early stuff was really, really, really hard.
Speaker 1: And now that you know he understands even more about
Speaker 1: what was happening. You know, it hurts, but he's able
Speaker 1: to let it go also, so it's here and release
Speaker 1: of a lot of years and years decades of pent
Speaker 1: up stress, aggravation.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: My mother's like, you need a switch to your ass
Speaker 1: today for the stuff that was happening then that I
Speaker 1: told you not to go, not to do, not to say,
Speaker 1: and so you know, but I know it's hard. I
Speaker 1: know it's hard. I know it's hard for him to
Speaker 1: hear that my teacher, when I was a young girl,
Speaker 1: you know, asked me to sit on his lap, like
Speaker 1: whose father wants to hear that type of experience your
Speaker 1: daughter had and never said anything, just to try to
Speaker 1: keep from there being any you know, anything in the household,
Speaker 1: you know, keep him, you know, try to protect my dad.
Speaker 1: So it's difficult, but nonetheless, as he said that, he
Speaker 1: had to encourage my mother to keep going. Because as
Speaker 1: you get deeper in the book, then it becomes some
Speaker 1: light stuff, some fun stuff, some great moments, and you
Speaker 1: begin to see this person who started in one place
Speaker 1: blossom into something and it all makes sense. It's like
Speaker 1: it all clicks. So that's what I live to tell
Speaker 1: the story it's all about. If you haven't purchased my
Speaker 1: book yet, please please please, I'm asking you to get
Speaker 1: you a copy, give one away for yourself, purchase a copy.
Speaker 2: And an audible version.
Speaker 1: Purchase a copy and an audio version, and an audible
Speaker 1: version rather and a kindle version. Just get it all
Speaker 1: and you know it's all good. So that's that. Let
Speaker 1: me tell you what my thought of the day is today,
Speaker 1: because I know, you know, we are running up against
Speaker 1: time and we have a real good guest coming up
Speaker 1: today that you know, I want us to give the
Speaker 1: proper time too, So I just want to say this publicly,
Speaker 1: and by the way, on this tour, it's freezing across
Speaker 1: the whole country, so you know, that's another part of
Speaker 1: the whole thing is that we chose to do this
Speaker 1: in the winter time, and it's phrasing in America. Is
Speaker 1: a freezing where you all live, I don't know, but
Speaker 1: it's definitely freezing everywhere. Degrees two degrees twenty eight thirty
Speaker 1: thirty being like the highest. So that's that makes it
Speaker 1: a little bit more challenging, but it is what it is.
Speaker 1: So here's my thought of the day, y'all. If it
Speaker 1: walks like a duct, and it quacks like a duct.
Speaker 1: It's a duck. Okay. We spend a lot of time
Speaker 1: trying to make excuses and find ways to you know,
Speaker 1: make sense of and also to try to take on
Speaker 1: mentally these concepts or thoughts and ideas and realities that's
Speaker 1: around us. And what I mean by that is that
Speaker 1: it's so much shit going on in our society that
Speaker 1: in order to be able to deal with it without
Speaker 1: losing your mind, you will find yourself trying to believe
Speaker 1: and process certain things, hoping maybe what I see I
Speaker 1: don't really see, because what I see is so serious
Speaker 1: that I don't want to see it. That's where we are.
Speaker 1: We just it's like, you know, maybe Donald Trump and
Speaker 1: them are not actually you know, going through the government
Speaker 1: firing people and trying to reduce the number of whistleblowers
Speaker 1: that's around to see what they're doing and to report
Speaker 1: on it. So they're replacing they're taking many people out
Speaker 1: and then replacing people with folks who they claim are
Speaker 1: committed to their principles, people who are more aligned with
Speaker 1: their political strategies, and people who are supposed to be
Speaker 1: doing the work to audit the government and find corruption
Speaker 1: and so you try to make yourself believab. Well, maybe
Speaker 1: actually is because there's got to be corruption, because we
Speaker 1: all know that.
Speaker 2: Corruption is absolutely in the government.
Speaker 1: But the problem is that the chief corruptors are looking
Speaker 1: for a way to with corruption and instead what they're
Speaker 1: really doing is replacing people so that their corruption does misdirection,
Speaker 1: so that their corruption does not end them up or
Speaker 1: end up in them being indicted again and again and
Speaker 1: actually having to serve prison time. That's what it is
Speaker 1: they're eluding, if you will, the government looking for places
Speaker 1: where people can make money, where they you know, they
Speaker 1: can get contracts, they can give their friends the things
Speaker 1: that they need, they can restore some relationships, and they're
Speaker 1: just doing their thing right, and that's it. So so
Speaker 1: so it's not so what you see is actually happening
Speaker 1: right in front of you.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: And I would say it's akin to you just being like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think that my wife, you know,
Speaker 1: is ready to leave me. I don't think my wife
Speaker 1: is ready to leave me. I see signs. She don't
Speaker 1: want to have sex, she don't want to talk. We
Speaker 1: don't go anywhere everything looks like she's leaving me, but
Speaker 1: I still want to believe that maybe she's not right.
Speaker 1: That's what we tell ourselves so that we don't have
Speaker 1: to face what's in.
Speaker 2: Front of us.
Speaker 1: So I was doing some research on Elon Musk because
Speaker 1: we believe that he is actually the one who's running
Speaker 1: the show right now. I know that I believe this
Speaker 1: not because of what somebody else told me, but I
Speaker 1: actually have been listening to his words, and now I've
Speaker 1: done some research on where Elon Musk actually comes from.
Speaker 1: Now there may be people out there who are like,
Speaker 1: we already know all of this stuff, but I don't
Speaker 1: think so because I don't hear enough people talking about it.
Speaker 1: So Elon Musk, by the way, is I believe he's
Speaker 1: running things, And like I said, it is because of
Speaker 1: some of the things I've heard him say. So he
Speaker 1: was on a conference call, it's just several days maybe
Speaker 1: a week ago, which was reported in which on a
Speaker 1: conference call he said, you know, if it's now or
Speaker 1: never to do all the things we want to do.
Speaker 1: If we don't get it done now, we're never going
Speaker 1: to be able to do it. So we should just
Speaker 1: do everything we should, you know, reduce the government, you know,
Speaker 1: terminate people, just do everything that we want to do
Speaker 1: now while we can get away with it. And he said,
Speaker 1: if we make a mistake or we miss the mark,
Speaker 1: then we could just add people back. So let's just
Speaker 1: fire people and then we'll find new people to add back.
Speaker 1: So that's his mentality. And then and then Donald Trump says,
Speaker 1: Elon Musk is not doing anything that we have not
Speaker 1: given him the you know, the.
Speaker 2: Green light to do.
Speaker 1: So that means that they've agreed that whatever he's saying
Speaker 1: is what it is. And I interpret it as I
Speaker 1: don't really know Donald Trump, because I'm not that bright
Speaker 1: any damn way, and I don't really know how to
Speaker 1: do it. But I like other people that I see, black, white,
Speaker 1: all kinds of people who are mesmerized by the amount
Speaker 1: of money that Elon Musk has, and therefore they have
Speaker 1: accepted that he must know something because he's been able
Speaker 1: to build all these businesses and he's the world's most
Speaker 1: richest man, and he's got all of this you know,
Speaker 1: wealth and whatnot.
Speaker 2: He's got all these.
Speaker 1: Toys, tunnels under the ground, he's got spaceships, he's got
Speaker 1: all these things. So we're gonna just, you know, pretty
Speaker 1: much figure let him be the lead and we'll see
Speaker 1: if maybe he can do that.
Speaker 2: For the rest of us. Bullshit.
Speaker 1: So number one, I just want to say this. Let
Speaker 1: me just give give you a couple of points. So
Speaker 1: in doing my research, what I found is that Elon
Speaker 1: Musk's grandparents were a part of basically, they were neo Nazis,
Speaker 1: right and his grandparents when they were in Canada, they
Speaker 1: were a part of a right wing society that supported
Speaker 1: be Nazis. They supported the ideals of neo knots. That's
Speaker 1: who they were. This is something verifiable. In fact, In fact,
Speaker 1: his mother May had a boyfriend who tells the story
Speaker 1: that Elon's grandparents who were her It was his girlfriend's parents.
Speaker 1: They were weird, that they had these ideals that were
Speaker 1: like far far right wing ideals. He says that they
Speaker 1: were actually pretty like dangerous and scary people and he
Speaker 1: didn't like them. He didn't even want to be around them.
Speaker 1: So he broke up with her because he was like
Speaker 1: these people, they're not good people. I don't want to
Speaker 1: be associated with it. This is the grandparents. So we're
Speaker 1: back with it walks like a duck. It quacks like
Speaker 1: a duck, and that's who raised them. So no, these
Speaker 1: other people who raise them. Then you come to his parents,
Speaker 1: his family, and how they got to South Africa.
Speaker 2: It is outlined in multiple articles. It is being.
Speaker 1: Discussed by historians. How they went to You know, obviously
Speaker 1: Canada started to shift to become a little bit more liberal,
Speaker 1: so they weren't able to be as outwardly racist in
Speaker 1: in in Canada, and so they were looking for other places.
Speaker 1: They found South Africa and somewhere that they wanted to
Speaker 1: go because they supported apartheid. They supported apartheid, and so
Speaker 1: they wanted to be there. They went there supporting apartheid.
Speaker 1: Now recently we see that Elon musk In on a
Speaker 1: zoom he was a part of an all right conference
Speaker 1: in for some for some German group, right, these people
Speaker 1: are like extremists as well. He got on their call.
Speaker 1: He didn't say, well, I don't think that it's appropriate
Speaker 1: for me to be a part of this type of conversation.
Speaker 1: Understanding who these people are and and understanding their ideals
Speaker 1: and then ultimately how this will look to the Jewish community,
Speaker 1: to Black communities, to everybody, because we know that it
Speaker 1: needs all right groups. Oftentimes that's where you find racist people,
Speaker 1: baked in people who believe in in fascism, and ultimately
Speaker 1: people who believe in apartheid.
Speaker 2: And and and and and.
Speaker 1: Colonialism stealing people's land. Right, So he didn't say, well,
Speaker 1: I don't think that's an appropriate place for me to be.
Speaker 1: Not only did he go and speak to the people
Speaker 1: at the conference, he told them, hey, I don't you know,
Speaker 1: I think that we should be moving past the point
Speaker 1: where you will feel guilty about what your ancestors or
Speaker 1: your parents or other people did now again. And then
Speaker 1: of course there is the symbol that he did that
Speaker 1: we know exactly what it looked like, and we believe
Speaker 1: that the symbol was exactly what it represents. So people
Speaker 1: will say, well, I don't you know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe not maybe his parents, But if the man today
Speaker 1: is still carrying the same mindset, talking points and involved
Speaker 1: in an administration, leading an administration and doing things like
Speaker 1: rolling back diversity, equity and inclusion, speaking of immigrants migrants
Speaker 1: and disable people and other people, degrading them, and wanting
Speaker 1: to criminalize people, talking to President of the United States
Speaker 1: talking about police having immunity. This is the type of
Speaker 1: thing that he is a part of. So why would
Speaker 1: we think that somehow what he said where his family
Speaker 1: comes from the fact that his parents raised him in
Speaker 1: apartheid South Africa. Why would we believe that somehow he
Speaker 1: is not exactly what we see in front of our faces.
Speaker 1: And he is running the government, has access to every
Speaker 1: single bit of our information, our social security numbers, our
Speaker 1: payment systems. Now people will say, well, we think that
Speaker 1: he's good at, you know, seeking out government corruption and whatever.
Speaker 1: Elon Musk, the same man who last week called people
Speaker 1: on government assistance people who you know, just folks who
Speaker 1: are regular working people. He said they are parasites. He
Speaker 1: used these words. He used that word. I didn't use
Speaker 1: that word. He said they are parasites. Right, he's also
Speaker 1: a parasite if his definition of people who are taking
Speaker 1: government assistance and government resources are parasites. Let's be clear,
Speaker 1: his businesses failed and he used money from government assistance,
Speaker 1: government subsidies to help him build his businesses back and
Speaker 1: to be able to be the richest man in the world.
Speaker 1: If that's true, I don't know, but that's what they say.
Speaker 1: He used government subsidies. You should just look it up
Speaker 1: so we better be real clear about what we see
Speaker 1: in front of our faces, because a lot of people
Speaker 1: are sitting by acting like what we see is normal
Speaker 1: and it's cool, and you know, well, we're gonna see
Speaker 1: what comes out of it. Meanwhile, we've got a rampant
Speaker 1: white supremacist who learn what he knows from a place
Speaker 1: that we fought to ensure that the people of South
Speaker 1: Africa would be free from the type of tyranny that
Speaker 1: his grandparents. At least we know that. I'm still getting
Speaker 1: to understanding where his parents stood. But this is how
Speaker 1: he was raised. This is what these people believe, and
Speaker 1: this is what he now is a part of trying
Speaker 1: to design in our nation, which is an all white,
Speaker 1: all male led nation that leaves everybody else to be
Speaker 1: servants that make sure that other people are in a
Speaker 1: tear or a class beneath him. It is real. It's
Speaker 1: happening in front of your eyes in this particular moment.
Speaker 1: What you see is what it is. It walks like
Speaker 1: a duck, it quacks like a duck, and it is
Speaker 1: an actual duck. So be clear, in fact, we are
Speaker 1: where we think we are.
Speaker 4: No, we're definitely and I have this conversation all the time,
Speaker 4: and you know, it was a lot of people loud
Speaker 4: before the election.
Speaker 3: They're very quiet now.
Speaker 4: You know they've moved on and we're still here because
Speaker 4: we understand the seriousness of what we're dealing with. And
Speaker 4: when I'm listening to Elon, what he's doing is it's
Speaker 4: a playbook. You know, people don't study Hitler, they don't
Speaker 4: study the Nazis. If you study what they did, they
Speaker 4: created distrust in the government. Right, that's the first thing
Speaker 4: you do, and it doesn't have to be true. So
Speaker 4: what he's doing now by saying that there's billions of
Speaker 4: dollars being stolen from our tax player's money, but never
Speaker 4: providing who's stealing it. Right, If you're going through there
Speaker 4: and you're saying that they stole billions of dollars, you're
Speaker 4: saying that they got one hundred and fifty year old
Speaker 4: man that's on social security. What's the man's name, what's
Speaker 4: his social security? Now, if you're saying that people are
Speaker 4: making thirty million dollars that make twenty five, that make
Speaker 4: two hundred and fifty thousand, who are these people? Why
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. Why don't you have any
Speaker 4: information to substantiate any claim. You just throw that out
Speaker 4: to people who already distrust the government. And you do
Speaker 4: that to people and they just grab onto it. And
Speaker 4: it doesn't have to have basis that just the fact
Speaker 4: that you're inside those rooms, people validate those statements as
Speaker 4: being true.
Speaker 3: And it's very dangerous. And what you do is create
Speaker 3: people to believe.
Speaker 4: That you are the only hope that they have if
Speaker 4: you're the savior, right, you create this set, you create
Speaker 4: the savior process, and you make yourself look like the savior,
Speaker 4: and you're saving American people from shit that you've actually created.
Speaker 4: And it's called misdirection. They missdirection, and they have us
Speaker 4: focusing on this ship while they over actually stealing and
Speaker 4: doing a bunch of shit. Yet the eggs and the
Speaker 4: milk is still not low, and we still have and
Speaker 4: it's actually higher, and nobody's focusing on it, talking about, oh,
Speaker 4: we didn't have no wars. This man is about to
Speaker 4: have damn in World War three. He's talking about taking
Speaker 4: over Gaza. He's ready to empower you know, put in,
Speaker 4: he's empowering Ananiahu. Even more so, it's like for me,
Speaker 4: he made threats like this this is this is a
Speaker 4: is really what I call the ship show is a
Speaker 4: complete ship show, and watching it happen in real time,
Speaker 4: and watching people act like it's not happening, and people
Speaker 4: thinking that we're gonna we're gonna get money and get
Speaker 4: a couple of dollars and it's gonna get out of it.
Speaker 4: Capitalism has never helped black people. It's never got us
Speaker 4: out of our situation.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I was listening to Nick Cannon. He was doing the
Speaker 4: stand up cor and and I say this all the time.
Speaker 4: He's like, he was like, one hundred years ago black
Speaker 4: people was well had one percent of this America's wealth,
Speaker 4: and he said, you know how much wealth we have
Speaker 4: in America?
Speaker 3: One percent. So you look and you think people are
Speaker 3: doing better.
Speaker 4: You see these things, it's the same exact shit, and
Speaker 4: it tricks you to believe something that's not happening.
Speaker 3: You know. So when we think that, we go, okay,
Speaker 3: the plan is we're gonna.
Speaker 4: Get money, and we goot money and were not unified,
Speaker 4: and we're not building our own and were not on
Speaker 4: the same accord. Gonna be a bunch of people that's
Speaker 4: not unified with money. We're gonna be individuals that spend
Speaker 4: our money and nothing that's built because these people are strategic.
Speaker 4: These people are diabolical and they're strategic and they're building.
Speaker 4: Like Elon Musk, they talking about he got a four
Speaker 4: hundred million dollar contract with the government. That Tesla is
Speaker 4: the call for the government, Like this is this ship
Speaker 4: is real. When they when they fire all the people
Speaker 4: that's supposed to be running these organizations, who you think
Speaker 4: is gonna be running AI is gonna be running everything.
Speaker 4: So this is this they know what they doing. This
Speaker 4: is a play of course, get rid of all these people.
Speaker 4: We go fuck them.
Speaker 3: They don't need a job.
Speaker 4: We're gonna get AI to do the job that they
Speaker 4: got and we're gonna keep the money and we're gonna
Speaker 4: throw it in our pocket and we're gonna say that
Speaker 4: we paid for the resources because these motherfucking AI robots
Speaker 4: that they got is thirty or forty and fifty or
Speaker 4: sixty thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: So this they got a strategy.
Speaker 2: We just got it's.
Speaker 1: Still going to take the money and pay for the
Speaker 1: new systems and everything exactly.
Speaker 4: They're gonna go to knocking out accomplish your black ass.
Speaker 1: And these people federal workers who are being fired from
Speaker 1: their jobs every single day that we're not even talking about.
Speaker 1: The faces haven't really appeared on the news because there's
Speaker 1: all these lawsuits going on and so you're not seeing them.
Speaker 1: But they are real, live people who have been working.
Speaker 1: This is how they've maintained their families. Now they will
Speaker 1: not have jobs anymore. And to your point, it's not
Speaker 1: that they're saving any money. They're just going to figure.
Speaker 2: Out how to.
Speaker 1: In robots and building systems and machinery. They're still going
Speaker 1: to spend the money. They're just gonna spend it with
Speaker 1: people who look like them, and they're not going to
Speaker 1: spend it on what they call diversity, equity and inclusion,
Speaker 1: which means that the white men will be in power,
Speaker 1: running everything, controlling the actual machinery, you know, doing the programming.
Speaker 1: Maybe some other people, a little bit of folks. But
Speaker 1: as has been said, I forget the man's name who
Speaker 1: said it, there needs to be white men that's competent
Speaker 1: to help run this country. This is coming out of
Speaker 1: the mouths of people who work within the government that
Speaker 1: it needs to be white men. So they're gonna put
Speaker 1: white men over the entire there in terms of all
Speaker 1: the leadership positions they might have some white women able
Speaker 1: to work in some of the departments to do the
Speaker 1: administrative stuff, and then everybody else is considered to be
Speaker 1: dei and unqualified and they don't need jobs. And let
Speaker 1: me tell you, let me just let me also say
Speaker 1: to you.
Speaker 2: Let me just also say.
Speaker 1: They have not told you that when they find all
Speaker 1: this money, they're gonna somehow put it back in your pocket.
Speaker 1: They haven't said that, where's the plan, where's the well,
Speaker 1: since we don't since we found all of this money,
Speaker 1: now we're gonna redirect it to you. No. Part of
Speaker 1: the problem is that people who are hearing this, some
Speaker 1: of the people who see folks getting fired and whatever,
Speaker 1: they haters. They're haters. They they it makes them feel
Speaker 1: good that allege fifty two, fifty three years old, who
Speaker 1: has worked for the last twenty years and a good
Speaker 1: government job, that does her work every day. They are
Speaker 1: happy to see that that person got fired because you
Speaker 1: know what, they know, they don't feel like they ever
Speaker 1: made anything of their own lives, Tony.
Speaker 4: And that's that's the thing. That's that's the era we year.
Speaker 4: We're in the era where people are mad at people
Speaker 4: who have been successful, and they want to see you
Speaker 4: fall They do not want to see people who have
Speaker 4: a mass, some level of wealth for success that they
Speaker 4: have in a mass. They do not want that to
Speaker 4: continue on. And they celebrate you losing. They they salivate
Speaker 4: to see somebody fall from grace and and it's terrible.
Speaker 4: And that's what that's That was what Trump's America is
Speaker 4: to me. They want to see people lose. Like there's
Speaker 4: this a meme going around, you know, about about immigration,
Speaker 4: and it has the white man sitting in the middle
Speaker 4: with a whole plate full of cookies, and it's a
Speaker 4: black man, got one cookie on this plate, and then
Speaker 4: there's a Hispanic man on the other side, and a
Speaker 4: white man is looking talking to the black man, saying,
Speaker 4: he's trying to get your cookie, right, and when you
Speaker 4: look at it, he got all the cookies, but he
Speaker 4: telling us to fight over this one cookie because that's
Speaker 4: the cookie that he wants. Your cookie, so you got
Speaker 4: you gotta make sure he get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 4: Don't worry about my cookies. I got a hundred cookies
Speaker 4: over here, but y'all need to you need to protect
Speaker 4: that one cookie you got over there from him. And
Speaker 4: it got us thinking we the enemy. But the reality
Speaker 4: is you're the one that's depriving us of the cookies.
Speaker 1: So there it is, well, I think, speaking of the
Speaker 1: cookies and deprivation and all the things that we're suffering
Speaker 1: with this brother that we have coming up today is
Speaker 1: a part of a cast for a movie called Sing Sing,
Speaker 1: and I look forward to hearing him talk about, you know,
Speaker 1: the success.
Speaker 2: But yet brother Lot.
Speaker 3: Is coming up.
Speaker 4: So once again we have a friend to the room
Speaker 4: or brother to me, someone that I've known a very
Speaker 4: long time, real good brother, and he's doing a million
Speaker 4: things that are positive. You know, he came we were
Speaker 4: incarcerated together, and he came home and he hit.
Speaker 3: The ground running.
Speaker 4: And right now he's like the talk of the town,
Speaker 4: My brother, Clarence Divine, I Macklin, How you doing.
Speaker 5: Pace payse y'all. This's it's a pleasure of blessing to
Speaker 5: be here with you. Brother. Wish I could be in
Speaker 5: the studio in person, man, But you know, my schedule
Speaker 5: is crazy right now.
Speaker 3: We all got the same kind of things.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: To me, it's on her book tour, so sh running around.
Speaker 4: I'm helping her do that. And then I got all
Speaker 4: these programs and we're doing boycotts.
Speaker 3: So it's a million stuff going on and the kids.
Speaker 6: So for everybody, man, man, ah man, fantastic. It's just
Speaker 6: been a ride, man, you know what I'm saying. Meeting
Speaker 6: so many fantastic people and having the honor to be
Speaker 6: in the rooms where you know, a lot of the
Speaker 6: people that we watched on TV and watched in the
Speaker 6: movies and all that, and to see them have have
Speaker 6: have like real human problems like the fire and all that,
Speaker 6: real human problems, you know what I'm saying, to see
Speaker 6: how they plumb under that too, Like this pressure don't
Speaker 6: don't don't, don't got a prescription.
Speaker 5: It takes it just bite anybody.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 1: So that's interesting because you're in uh entertainment, in film,
Speaker 1: filmmaking and acting, and uh to hear you say that
Speaker 1: people are dealing with real life issues.
Speaker 2: Folks.
Speaker 1: Forget that some of the people who lost their homes
Speaker 1: or dealt with the fires in California are regular folks
Speaker 1: who work on.
Speaker 5: Sets, right right, not just only the movie stars.
Speaker 6: You got people that uh make a living from from
Speaker 6: the peripheral things that happen in the industry, like waiting,
Speaker 6: waiting at tables at the galla or something like that,
Speaker 6: or being a waiter of being a cook or whatever.
Speaker 6: You know, their lives are disrupted too.
Speaker 2: Right, absolutely real.
Speaker 4: So I want you to explain the process. Like I said,
Speaker 4: I met Divine in side prison in B Block. You
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. We was working out together. He
Speaker 4: was like one of the big brothers that took me
Speaker 4: under the wing when I first got to Sing Sing
Speaker 4: And you went from that to coming home to being
Speaker 4: one of the co stars in the movie Sing Sing, Like,
Speaker 4: how did how did that actually happen?
Speaker 3: My brother?
Speaker 5: Well, you know that, you know when you was in there,
Speaker 5: when we was in there, you know, we was putting
Speaker 5: on shows. Yes, Archia Rehabilitation through the arts programs. We
Speaker 5: put on two shows a year. Now.
Speaker 6: First, you know when I first, when I first got there,
Speaker 6: they was already doing it. I had really no intention
Speaker 6: on being an actor, getting on stage, none of that.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: What happened was, you know, I was going to the
Speaker 6: yard take care of some business, you.
Speaker 5: Know what our I was on my other thing.
Speaker 6: But you know the yard got shut down because of
Speaker 6: the the thundering and lightning, so we had to divert
Speaker 6: the business, to to to the UH to the chapel
Speaker 6: where they was putting on a plane. You know, when
Speaker 6: you get in there, when you get in there, you
Speaker 6: in there.
Speaker 5: It ain't no early. So now I done took care
Speaker 5: of the bnins. Now I'm just sitting here and I'm watching.
Speaker 5: And as I'm watching, I'm seeing I'm seeing brothers that
Speaker 5: I know from the from the yard, Brothers I know
Speaker 5: from the from from the mess hall, that work in
Speaker 5: the kitchen, lords eye Bury, Brothers that I respect that
Speaker 5: I came to the prison and learn to respect because
Speaker 5: of they handle and you know, because past things they
Speaker 5: they owe g's now, but they had their time and
Speaker 5: they well respected.
Speaker 6: So I'm watching them brothers put it on. And and
Speaker 6: you know, I used to draw and all that when
Speaker 6: I was younger. It's pretty much like you. You and
Speaker 6: the music, the art, the art, it just stays in you,
Speaker 6: no matter I came up with the art, you.
Speaker 2: Know what I mean.
Speaker 6: But it's something about that situation turned that artists back
Speaker 6: on and made me want to reconnect with the artist
Speaker 6: part of me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: And and and that's how I got into the program.
Speaker 5: I got it.
Speaker 6: I had to wait a whole year, because you know,
Speaker 6: you can't have no tickets. You can't be getting in
Speaker 6: no trouble or nothing for a whole year before you
Speaker 6: can even get in the program. So you know, at
Speaker 6: that time I was a hot boy son, I was
Speaker 6: getting in trouble.
Speaker 5: I had to wait a whole year.
Speaker 6: I did that shit, got in the program, and like
Speaker 6: kind of like when you learn how to do the
Speaker 6: right and live right, it's kind of hard to go
Speaker 6: back and to live in the same way you used
Speaker 6: to because you.
Speaker 5: Know, now you know what I mean, it's another way.
Speaker 5: We got options.
Speaker 6: I don't have to be I don't have to be
Speaker 6: the yard hound or you know, I don't have to
Speaker 6: be the nigga that's in everything all the time, you
Speaker 6: know what I mean. I got my own goals, I
Speaker 6: got my own life, and I got my own people
Speaker 6: that I'm responsible for coming home a better man too.
Speaker 1: You always know that you wanted to be in arts
Speaker 1: and entertainment.
Speaker 5: No I didn't.
Speaker 6: Actually, I'm like I said, I like to draw and
Speaker 6: paint and be more constructive with my hands. But once
Speaker 6: I seen them doing it, you know, the khaki me
Speaker 6: is like if they could do what I could do, right,
Speaker 6: So you.
Speaker 4: Know I've seen the movie, right, Yeah, you sent me
Speaker 4: to send me to invite, like, yo, pull up to
Speaker 4: the premier. I wanted another one of our brothers. We
Speaker 4: was locked up with my brother Molly mal Thatt there
Speaker 4: and we watched the movie in amazement and the job
Speaker 4: you did. Like, I knew from then that it was
Speaker 4: gonna get the reviews that it got. I knew that
Speaker 4: you were gonna people was gonna look and be like, Yo,
Speaker 4: this dude is a start. Because I was, I was shocked.
Speaker 4: I'm just used to seeing my brother, you know, this
Speaker 4: is my brother. But when I see in that form,
Speaker 4: it was it seemed authentic, but it still seemed like
Speaker 4: you was acting, right, It just it worked.
Speaker 3: It was you, but it was acting.
Speaker 4: It was it was you learned how to turn on emotion,
Speaker 4: turn it off, how to be this at this time.
Speaker 4: And then you was alongside one actor that I loved.
Speaker 3: Domingo was like one of the actors.
Speaker 5: So and one of the greatest people, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean, genuinely just a great dude. Bro.
Speaker 4: Watching y'all feed off the energy that y'all fed off
Speaker 4: each other was just a maculum man.
Speaker 6: So so a lot of people ask me how was
Speaker 6: it to be playing myself?
Speaker 5: But I'm saying, you know that there was a difference.
Speaker 6: There was an acting part in that because what I
Speaker 6: did was I took a lot of the elements from
Speaker 6: experiences that I witnessed, not that I had to partake
Speaker 6: in or even behaviors on a course of that seventeen
Speaker 6: and a half year period and going to college studying
Speaker 6: by studying psychology at the time.
Speaker 5: Getting a degree of in behavioral science.
Speaker 6: While we was there, I'm studying people, so at that time,
Speaker 6: I'm taking behaviors and experience that I already witnessed and
Speaker 6: weaved all that into that character.
Speaker 5: It wasn't just me exactly.
Speaker 4: And that's what That's what I said. It was masterful
Speaker 4: because I know the part of it that was you.
Speaker 4: But then I had him seen where you had to
Speaker 4: improvise and you had to create, you had to draw
Speaker 4: within and and have a skill level. So I just
Speaker 4: wanted to see. It was amazing what you did, man,
Speaker 4: it was.
Speaker 5: I appreciate that can word up.
Speaker 1: Some people would say that it's brilliant right that you
Speaker 1: can actually do that, because not everybody can do it.
Speaker 1: To us, they would and to you know, be in
Speaker 1: a situation where now you have people interviewing you, talking
Speaker 1: to you, asking you to tell more about your story.
Speaker 1: It has to feel like it's bigger than a movie.
Speaker 1: It has to feel like you're really shining a light
Speaker 1: on and bringing awareness to what goes on within the
Speaker 1: system and the human people, because we often forget that.
Speaker 1: We think when we think about prisons and you know,
Speaker 1: people going away, they become a part of like a
Speaker 1: silent society that we never turn out. And you're bringing
Speaker 1: so much attention to it. So does how does that
Speaker 1: feel for you? And what is the message that Sing
Speaker 1: Sing is getting across to the world.
Speaker 6: Well, you know, it feels kind of like I'm putting
Speaker 6: it in an ambassadory position, like I'm an ambassador for
Speaker 6: this message now because I've done the very first film
Speaker 6: festival in San Quentin.
Speaker 5: I was there, we showed the movie.
Speaker 6: I did a conversation with the guys, and I went
Speaker 6: to Utah Prison. I spoke with both women and male prisoners,
Speaker 6: and you know a lot of them are lwops. An
Speaker 6: LWOP is life without parole and a lot of them
Speaker 6: are questioning what is the purpose of change now? And
Speaker 6: my message to them is that the purpose of change
Speaker 6: now may not be for you. It may be for
Speaker 6: those who are watching you, the babies at home, whoever
Speaker 6: looking up to you, for whatever reason, your purpose for
Speaker 6: change could be for them. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: If they could see a better you, then maybe they
Speaker 6: could be a better them. And that may be what
Speaker 6: your mission is now, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 6: that's what my mission would be. That my message to
Speaker 6: those behind the wall, but for those on this side
Speaker 6: of the wall, my message would be that the people
Speaker 6: inside prison are just that people, and they shouldn't. You
Speaker 6: should see some redeemable qualities in everybody. I mean, if
Speaker 6: you are a religious person, if you are a righteous
Speaker 6: person who goes by whatever spiritual you go to, then
Speaker 6: you know that there's redeemable qualities in everyone. Does that
Speaker 6: stop when you get simplest? Am I no longer redeemable?
Speaker 6: Can I still be up some good?
Speaker 4: And that's the question, and that's the question that we
Speaker 4: all got to we all got to answer within ourselves,
Speaker 4: you know, like being incarcerated, how long did you do?
Speaker 5: Actually I did seventeen and a half years in prison.
Speaker 4: After doing seventeen and a half years, coming home. You
Speaker 4: you made up your mind that you was redeemable. Because
Speaker 4: this is although you've taken acting and you hitting the
Speaker 4: ground runner and I foresee you just doing amazing things.
Speaker 3: But that wasn't the first thing you did.
Speaker 4: You came home dealing with at risk youth, mentoring kids,
Speaker 4: you know, doing all of those things in schools, and
Speaker 4: we were working together to do things right right, So
Speaker 4: we all knew that we had things to offer. We
Speaker 4: all knew that our experiences and the things that we
Speaker 4: went through and we had redeemable qualities we can offer
Speaker 4: to these these children into the next generation. So now
Speaker 4: you've taken not only did you take that warrior spirit
Speaker 4: and that redeemable quality and come back outside with it,
Speaker 4: now you put it into this actor and it's amazing
Speaker 4: just watching this transition. How many awards have you been
Speaker 4: have you won?
Speaker 3: Like every time?
Speaker 6: I think, like twenty one, twenty one awards and like
Speaker 6: thirty something nominations.
Speaker 5: I'm still on the road though, I'm about to go
Speaker 5: get that. I'm about to get the NAACP.
Speaker 6: Image Award, the Spirit Award Oscar hopefully you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: Speaking into existence. You were supposed to attend something in Europe.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the Bathter, the Bafter, It's like the British equivalent
Speaker 6: equivalent of the Oscars.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're supposed to be there, but you were
Speaker 1: denied entry. Yeah, told, you're denied entry into Europe? How
Speaker 1: does that feel that the concept?
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 1: The collateral consequences? As our brother Jay Jordan would say,
Speaker 1: still Linger.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it makes you feel like someone wants me to
Speaker 6: be reminded that I'm a product. And you know what
Speaker 6: I'm saying, I belong to someone or something because the
Speaker 6: stigma that's attached to me is more than thirty years old.
Speaker 6: The last time I had police contact was more than
Speaker 6: thirty years ago. So how long am I supposed to
Speaker 6: be an ex offender?
Speaker 5: How long am I an ex felon? How long? You
Speaker 5: know what I mean? I thought the debt was supposed
Speaker 5: to be paid, whether I did it or not, the
Speaker 5: time is paid or right now? So why am I
Speaker 5: still stigmatized? And why is it cool?
Speaker 6: I know it's not on the part of the bastards,
Speaker 6: It's not a part. It's not on the part of
Speaker 6: the people that wanted me there. Shout out to them,
Speaker 6: Shout out to all the love I received from.
Speaker 5: Across the poem, because I got a lot from brothers
Speaker 5: and sisters over there that I've met in these states
Speaker 5: on this on this Oscar run, on this awards run
Speaker 5: with all these great people I've met that are over
Speaker 5: there now, and they're thoroughly up there as upset as
Speaker 5: or maybe even more upset than I am that I'm
Speaker 5: not there because of what it's seen in how juxtaposed
Speaker 5: it is to the message in the.
Speaker 2: Yeah you know, it almost makes the point of the film.
Speaker 5: Right, it does. Actually, Yeah, well.
Speaker 1: I think you know, what you're doing is amazing. I
Speaker 1: hope that every person, first of all sees it, but
Speaker 1: certainly young folks who are coming up or people who
Speaker 1: might be, you know, in their early adulthood, because I
Speaker 1: think what you are trying to do now is it
Speaker 1: will help somebody to see the perspectives and make different decisions,
Speaker 1: and so hopefully that's quite a loud I wish you
Speaker 1: an Oscar, I wish you the NAACP Award and everything else,
Speaker 1: because you know, it's not easy. It's just like in
Speaker 1: my book, it's not easy to tell people your true
Speaker 1: story and to like be vulnerable and open up spaces
Speaker 1: and wounds. I can't imagine how it feels for you
Speaker 1: having to play a part that's it wasn't all good days, right,
Speaker 1: seven right, had to open up some wounds.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Well, you know, it's got to be a level of
Speaker 6: apprehension to walk right back into a place that you
Speaker 6: clawed yourself out of. You did everything to get out
Speaker 6: of this spot, you know what I mean, And to
Speaker 6: voluntarily walk back in and to voluntarily put back on
Speaker 6: the same uniform that so readily identifies you as an
Speaker 6: outcast to everybody, with the number and everything, your whole
Speaker 6: identity being reduced to this.
Speaker 5: Number on your show, on your shirt. And so it's
Speaker 5: got to be some.
Speaker 6: But however, the message that needed to be given to
Speaker 6: the people about people in here, about people who find
Speaker 6: themselves in hell, because you got to be a different
Speaker 6: kind of strong to to find yourself in hell. You know,
Speaker 6: it's a different level of strength needed here and to
Speaker 6: and to hold on to that, to hold on to
Speaker 6: that is a different kind of strength, you know.
Speaker 5: So, but that message that these kind of people.
Speaker 6: Do exist inside hell, people that has found themselves and
Speaker 6: has held on to themselves.
Speaker 5: So that message needed to be heard.
Speaker 4: Wow, So you have a new film called Sing Sing.
Speaker 4: Tell us what it's about.
Speaker 5: Yeah, same thing is really it's uh, it's filmed this
Speaker 5: it's framed inside of a prison, but it's not a
Speaker 5: prison movie. It's more of a human story about growth, transformation,
Speaker 5: about being tender and gentle in a place where those
Speaker 5: things are not really allowed. So it's about becoming, it's
Speaker 5: about growing, it's about men in a sense.
Speaker 4: When I when I watched it, that's what I got,
Speaker 4: you know. I sat there and and I and I'm
Speaker 4: a very I watched movies, Yeah, and I and I
Speaker 4: just picked it apart and it was like it really
Speaker 4: sto It told the tale and it was like being
Speaker 4: somebody who was in Sing Sing knowing you know.
Speaker 3: The intricates. It brought me back to being in Sing
Speaker 3: Sing like it brought me back.
Speaker 4: And then at the end of the movie, it shows
Speaker 4: brothers that we were locked up and doing the program.
Speaker 4: It literally shows the program, and I see, like, I
Speaker 4: see like for there, I see, I see, I see
Speaker 4: all the brother I see Shorty King. I'm looking like wow,
Speaker 4: brothers that we was literally locked up with and they's
Speaker 4: showing the pieces of it at the end, and it
Speaker 4: warmed my heart just to see the evolution that we've made.
Speaker 4: So I just I'm so proud of you brother, you know,
Speaker 4: and and and I believe that you're definitely gonna get
Speaker 4: that Oscar because you deserve it, you know, in this
Speaker 4: little minuset with the Bastra, you know, next the next film,
Speaker 4: they're gonna make sure that they give you a clemency
Speaker 4: to make sure to get out there because you're gonna
Speaker 4: be such a big star that they're gonna make sure
Speaker 4: that you're out there.
Speaker 3: So man, continue, continue to do what you made to do.
Speaker 4: Man, you always had even and I tell this other
Speaker 4: til You've always been a good dude, even when you
Speaker 4: was out there doing whatever you was in jail, when
Speaker 4: you was hustling, it was never negativity.
Speaker 3: Your energy was always authentic.
Speaker 4: You embrace me, little brother, make sure I was safe
Speaker 4: all the time, make sure I was good, worked out
Speaker 4: with me, pushed me to the next level, all of
Speaker 4: those things.
Speaker 3: So I just want to say, man, I appreciate you.
Speaker 5: Man. Yeah, good looking bro, Thank you brother, Thank you
Speaker 5: such that's amazing.
Speaker 2: It's amazing to hear you all bond in this way.
Speaker 1: And I love it. I'm so proud of you for
Speaker 1: what you're doing. Keep going sing. Thing is just one.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have ten, fifteen, twenty more films to come.
Speaker 1: And we know that's true. We claiming it, already claiming
Speaker 1: the hour and the whole thing. It's gonna happen.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: He is your life away. God has to restore you
Speaker 1: and give you something back.
Speaker 3: So you good.
Speaker 5: Thank you, I love you, brother, be safe man, a
Speaker 5: right peace. Thank you.
Speaker 3: Shout out to.
Speaker 4: My brother claimence divine I macklin Man. As you can see,
Speaker 4: he's one of the most authentic people. His energy has
Speaker 4: always been like that. You know, when I first met him,
Speaker 4: he had dreads, he was working out. He was probably
Speaker 4: one of the most diesel dudes in the jail. Used
Speaker 4: to have me on the market and working out. Always
Speaker 4: been a good dude man. So to see him elevate
Speaker 4: to this place, you gotta see Sacy. I'm making sure
Speaker 4: you see sing sing real soon.
Speaker 1: This Absolutely he's very animated. He's going to have a
Speaker 1: great career in entertainment, and thankfully he's able to do
Speaker 1: entertainment with a purpose.
Speaker 3: So with a purpose. So that brings me to my
Speaker 3: eyes don't get it. Now.
Speaker 4: What I don't get is, you know, the super Bowl happened,
Speaker 4: and it's just been all of this talk about Kendrick
Speaker 4: Lamar and you know, and people are angry, and it
Speaker 4: was I don't understand why white people are so mad
Speaker 4: that a black man decided to talk about black stuff
Speaker 4: when he had an opportunity. And it's a in a
Speaker 4: stage like it really is crazy to me, like white
Speaker 4: people are pissed off. They got this one actor, you know,
Speaker 4: his name is Robert d v and he's been in
Speaker 4: like a lot of gang movies.
Speaker 3: And you know, gangst the movies, and he plays a gangster.
Speaker 4: Life and he is so pisched off and he said,
Speaker 4: I'm tired of the street stuff and I'm tired of
Speaker 4: the ratchet stuff, tired of gangstter this and that, and
Speaker 4: I don't want to hear it no more. You know,
Speaker 4: let's go back to to to blues music and jazz
Speaker 4: and you know who who authorized Kendrick to be there?
Speaker 4: You hear all types of people. So I just don't
Speaker 4: know why white people are mad at Kendrick them all.
Speaker 4: But I really don't get it. Like the man I
Speaker 4: loved it. To me, it was the best halftime performance
Speaker 4: and numbers of men live women line and numbers don't
Speaker 4: the numbers say it's the best, is the most viewed
Speaker 4: of old times? Y'all still curitique any two weeks afterwards.
Speaker 4: So I don't understand what the white people were so
Speaker 4: mad about.
Speaker 3: I really don't. I just don't get it for you.
Speaker 1: It's not just white people. I think that there are
Speaker 1: black folks that are also, you know, feeling whatever kind
Speaker 1: of way about his performance. But I think the best
Speaker 1: meme that I saw was the one that said, you
Speaker 1: know how many times white people have performed?
Speaker 2: I didn't know anything they were.
Speaker 1: Saying nothing, didn't know what they were saying, didn't understand
Speaker 1: any of the lyrics.
Speaker 2: Then the music doesn't resonate with me.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to.
Speaker 3: Watch the Grammys to say that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you were saying, people's what Grammys and
Speaker 4: I be like, who the hell is this and where
Speaker 4: did this song come from?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean, I promise you.
Speaker 1: And I'm not suggesting that she's good, bad, or indifferent,
Speaker 1: because I have no problem with tail Swift. She never
Speaker 1: did anything to me. I think she's fine. She seems
Speaker 1: to be beloved by lots of young kids, and especially
Speaker 1: white kids, love a lover a lover.
Speaker 2: I'm fine with her.
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift, I got no problem because don't want anybody
Speaker 1: sayd to Meka said Taylor Swift.
Speaker 2: I have no problem with her.
Speaker 1: But what I will say is that I did not
Speaker 1: even know who she was or what she said.
Speaker 2: I didn't know.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, I started to hear that Taylor
Speaker 1: Swift had more of a following and was actually more
Speaker 1: I guess prominent if you are, or bigger celebrity than Beyonce.
Speaker 1: So when I heard that, I'm like, who y'all talk
Speaker 1: like it's just that's really hard to accomplish being a
Speaker 1: bigger celebrity than Beyonce. So I'm like, who is this?
Speaker 1: It was Taylor Swift? And then people went back and
Speaker 1: reminded me of Kanye and you know, the different things
Speaker 1: that's happened throughout her career, and I'm like, oh, that's her.
Speaker 1: I don't know who tell us with this. I could
Speaker 1: not sing. If you right now said I better sing
Speaker 1: it or you're gonna throw eggs on me, I would
Speaker 1: be egged up because I don't know the worst songs.
Speaker 1: I don't know them.
Speaker 3: I know probably like one or two songs.
Speaker 1: It's just but I don't even know I know it.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I know her songs. I know
Speaker 1: I know certain people's songs. I know I know Bruce
Speaker 1: Springs things music. I know I know Madonna's music. I
Speaker 1: know I know certain white folks. I know what they sing,
Speaker 1: and I like it right, and I like it, or
Speaker 1: at least it's mall music that every time I walk
Speaker 1: in a certain store, I hear the same songs they
Speaker 1: played on the plane.
Speaker 2: I get it. It is what it is. I did
Speaker 2: not know who.
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift was until recently when they started talking about
Speaker 1: her and Beyonce and sort of making comparisons there. And
Speaker 1: I love the fact that her and Beyonce came out together,
Speaker 1: like we're not allowing this to be a thing.
Speaker 2: But nonetheless, I didn't.
Speaker 3: Know she was.
Speaker 1: I'm not mad when they have white artists. I expect
Speaker 1: that over the cycle of time, there's gonna be different
Speaker 1: types of people that come with different types of music
Speaker 1: and so what. And then when they said then they said, well,
Speaker 1: he couldn't find one white person. You know, I meantimes
Speaker 1: I've watched white people do everything all white everything. Everything.
Speaker 1: Everything's music, jobs, companies, boardrooms, I mean shit everything. The
Speaker 1: damn president has a primarily almost every single person white cabinet,
Speaker 1: So like, what are you talking about? And I can't
Speaker 1: even tell you who's the person that's not white? And certainly,
Speaker 1: even if there is somebody there that's not white, I
Speaker 1: think there's a black man over.
Speaker 2: Maybe it was Hud I don't know.
Speaker 3: Position.
Speaker 1: Even if he ain't on No TV, ain't nobody pumping
Speaker 1: him up. He ain't in the Oval office, but we're
Speaker 1: seeing them all the time, and he's standing next to Trunk.
Speaker 1: We don't so what's the problem.
Speaker 4: It comes with the game? Man, get over it. It's
Speaker 4: not for you. If you didn't like it, good, I
Speaker 4: loved it.
Speaker 5: Let's go k that.
Speaker 2: People not happy with you for liking it so much?
Speaker 3: Man, people.
Speaker 4: Did you say if you mad? Scratch your ass and
Speaker 4: get glad. So that brings us to the end of
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