1 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: Carla Deshaw. She is not a coroner. She is the 2 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:21,080 Speaker 1: coroner of Lancaster County, South Carolina. You know when I 3 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: say coroner, she wasn't just a corner. She's been corner 4 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: of the year. When I tell you, this woman is fears. 5 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:35,160 Speaker 1: She is always a good time honey. When I hang 6 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 1: out with miss Things. She is funny, she is smart, 7 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: she's down to earth. She's loyal, She's got your back 8 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: at all times. Another thing I love about her she 9 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: wants it done right, no matter what it is. Whether 10 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: it's training, searching, sending an email, or washing a horse, 11 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: she wants it done right. I'm not gonna get you 12 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: hemmed up. Everybody loves her. Everybody respects her. She's a 13 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: straight shooter. She's a wide open she's a good old 14 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: country gal. She has done some groundbreaking stuff and we're 15 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: gonna talk about some of it. But she's got education 16 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 1: on her radar at all times. She's had the law changed. 17 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: She does a team approach, and when I say team, 18 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: I'm talking about second to none. She's brought in doctor 19 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: Laura Pettler and todd Ellis and Evo and Lex and 20 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: Terry and Josh and the list goes on and own 21 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: and own. But one of the best things about her 22 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: she's married to my buddy t Bone, and we'll talk 23 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: about him too. But y'all please help me. Welcome Carla 24 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: Diste Zone seven. 25 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 2: Thank you, Cheryl. 26 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 3: I hope that I can live up to a quarter 27 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 3: of all the nice accolades that you said about me there. 28 00:01:58,320 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 2: That was wonderful. 29 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 3: You did forget to say though, that on my team 30 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 3: of excellent people, I also added Cheryl McCollum on there, 31 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 3: so thank you for being on our team as well. 32 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: It is absolutely one of the highest honors of my 33 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: career and I mean that sincerely. Listen, I want to 34 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: talk about history making for a second, because you know, 35 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: you get into this line of work and we're going 36 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: to hear from you about how you got here. But 37 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: just right out of the gate, I want to tell 38 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: people that you have done something so extraordinary. You have 39 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: got the first mounted response unit in a. 40 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 3: Coroner's office ever in history. Yes, it has been quite 41 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 3: a journey. It stemmed from an incident a year ago 42 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 3: where we were searching for a gentleman who unfortunately committed 43 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 3: suicide and he jumped into. 44 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 2: A very rage river. 45 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 3: The water at the time he jumped in was extremely 46 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 3: cold because it was in January and the water was 47 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 3: flowing at ninety three thousand gallons per minute, and our 48 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 3: chances of locating him were very, very slim without a 49 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 3: lot of resources. We knew that we had some pretty 50 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 3: steep terrain on both sides of these river banks, and 51 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 3: we had access to cadaver dogs, We had access to 52 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 3: lots of people, lots of equipment, you know, gators, flour wheelers, 53 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 3: people on foot, you name it. But there comes a 54 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 3: point in time there are some areas your gator is 55 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 3: too wide, or your side by side is too wide 56 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 3: to fit through there. People get tired, and of course 57 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 3: how are you going to get in there? And so 58 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 3: doctor Pittler, who is a great friend of mine and 59 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 3: a wonderful colleague, called because she knew about the search, 60 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 3: and she said, hey, if you need me to bring 61 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,839 Speaker 3: my horse, we can come ride along the banks and 62 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 3: just probably get further than you guys can and be 63 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 3: happy to go take a look for you. And I 64 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 3: thought that's an excellent idea. So that is where it 65 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 3: was birthed. The idea was on our search for Tie. 66 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 3: And after the search was over and we located him. 67 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 3: Laura and I sat down and said, you know, this 68 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 3: is really something that we need, not just for that 69 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 3: that particular terrain, but for so many other things. You 70 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 3: have skeletal remains that are scattered out over the years, 71 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 3: and according to different animal activity. You know, they can 72 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 3: range from right there where you find the majority of 73 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 3: the body to scatter it out pretty far, especially if 74 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 3: you have coyotes your area, and so you need to 75 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 3: get to those areas and they're incredibly overgrown. We just 76 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 3: worked one a few months ago that the briers were 77 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 3: so intense none of the people on foot could penetrate. 78 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 2: That area at all. 79 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 3: But a horse such as a freezing or a gypsy 80 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 3: banner are designed to go through that kind of terrain 81 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 3: because of the hair on their legs, and that is 82 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 3: where the equine education became incredibly incredibly important from doctor Petler. 83 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 3: So we started developing this thinking what kind of horses 84 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 3: can we use. We need those types of horses, We 85 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 3: need draft horses so that if we respond to an 86 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:46,919 Speaker 3: area may be affected by a hurricane where trees have 87 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 3: gone down. Absolutely we have our fire department there who 88 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 3: can bring equipment and chainsaws to cut all the trees down. 89 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 3: But again we're in small areas. When I say small, 90 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 3: I mean that's where your horses come in again, because 91 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 3: the fire department can walk down there with their chainsaws, 92 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 3: but they can't drive a pickup truck down there to 93 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 3: move the tree. But Yara, one of our draft horses, 94 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 3: she can pull it. Oh yeah, that's just one of 95 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 3: the many facets of what we do. And then we thought, well, 96 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 3: this isn't even though it's the first corner based unit, 97 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 3: it doesn't have to mean that somebody is deceased. So 98 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 3: when we were coming up with our ideas and with 99 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 3: our name, we didn't nail it down to rescue or recovery. 100 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 3: We said our name was mounted response Unit, because we're 101 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 3: going to respond whether it is relative to a deceitent 102 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 3: or whether it's relative to an autistic child or a 103 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 3: lost child, an elderly person who is lost or disoriented, 104 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 3: maybe a camper, maybe someone who is even run into 105 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 3: the woods, run away from abuse. We are going to 106 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 3: be able to get to them and find them alive 107 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 3: or deceased. And of course we would love to be 108 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 3: used more in life situation than deceased. We would like 109 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 3: to be there on the front end. But that is 110 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 3: our goal and we want to be multi purpose and 111 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 3: we are off to a fantastic start with that because 112 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 3: one thing is for certain, you can definitely upgrade and 113 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 3: things get better and better and better over time. That's 114 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,239 Speaker 3: of course the name of the game. We have computers now, 115 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 3: we didn't before. You know, pen to paper and now, 116 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 3: so it gets better and better and better. But the 117 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 3: bottom line is you couldn't get to the part where 118 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 3: we are with computers and information in them without the 119 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 3: original pen and paper. You can't get to UTVs and 120 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 3: ATVs without the original source and which was a horse. 121 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 3: And so sometimes going back to basics is bringing it 122 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 3: all back home again. What's old is new again. 123 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: And you know, one of the most incredible aspects is 124 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: you're ten feet in the air, so your fiel division 125 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: is much better on a horse than it is on 126 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: an ATV or on foot. You would be able to 127 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: see evidence, you'd be able to see tracks, you'd be 128 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: able to see possibly the person that is correct. 129 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 3: And then you have the benefit of you have all 130 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 3: of your senses, but you also have another mammal who 131 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 3: has incredibly keen senses. Now you have a partner that 132 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 3: has senses as well, and they're different. It's a different 133 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 3: skill set of senses than your skill set. But if 134 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 3: you put two of those together, your chance is double. 135 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: Amen. I've had some partners that were some jackasses. 136 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 2: That's a whole different team. 137 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 3: And that one's already been invented nationwide. 138 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: So it's nice to have a horse. But let me 139 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: I want you to really tell people. This is the 140 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: part that I am so excited about. When you look 141 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: at just the miraculous thing that you have been able 142 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 1: to do. Tell them about these horses, where they came from, 143 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 1: what Laura saw in them, and how they got from 144 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: where they were to where they are now. 145 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 3: Oh, I'll absolutely be happy to And Laura knows so 146 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:01,839 Speaker 3: much more about them. Obviously she and Todd are very 147 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 3: involved in it. But I will tell you what I know. 148 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 3: As we got going and started thinking about what we needed, 149 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,719 Speaker 3: it became really clear that we needed a couple of 150 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 3: different styles of horses. One of the best places is 151 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 3: much like people. Your best people sometimes are often in 152 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,479 Speaker 3: the shadows. And sometimes remember when I said. 153 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 2: What's old is new again? 154 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 3: You know, being a woman over fifty, I'm in that 155 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 3: category too, Like just because I'm older doesn't mean I'm 156 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 3: not valuable, and Laura and Todd started going to Unfortunately, 157 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 3: we still have meat auctions, slaughter auctions for horses in 158 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 3: the United States, and there were some beautiful, very worthy 159 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 3: and capable horses who were just up for auction to 160 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 3: go be slaughtered, and Laura and Todd started going and 161 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 3: bidding on them and rescuing them. So our team, it's 162 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 3: very ironic, is built of horses who are rescued and 163 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 3: now they're being trained to use in rescue missions. So 164 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 3: their work is definitely not done and their worth is 165 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 3: now highlighted exponentially through our group. We praise them and 166 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 3: love them and give them the absolute. 167 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,119 Speaker 2: Best care possible. 168 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 3: And you can literally look in their eyes when you 169 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 3: go to feed them or give them treats, or brush 170 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:04,599 Speaker 3: them or just walk behind tell them hello. They know 171 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 3: that their worth is now being showcased. 172 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,839 Speaker 1: Y'all. Let me tell you something. She took it a 173 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: step further. She swore them in. She swore the horses 174 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 1: in as deputy corners. 175 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 2: They have badges. 176 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:31,079 Speaker 1: What that did in that moment her genius. She knew 177 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: now they are federally protected, they will never be abused 178 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: again by law, and I gotta tell you, it was 179 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 1: one of the most heartwarming and beautiful swearing ends I've 180 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 1: ever been to, and I've been to a bunch of them, 181 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 1: but that one, especially with you know, Yara in the barn, 182 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: I don't know that. That was just an incredible evening. 183 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: And all I can say is thank you, thank you 184 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: for including all us in that moment. 185 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much for being part of this team. 186 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 3: I had no idea how the team would evolve, who 187 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 3: would be on the team, and doctor Petler was incredibly 188 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 3: instrumental in that. And then to start seeing it all 189 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 3: come together, and with all of the variety of people 190 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 3: we have in the skill sets and the expertise, it 191 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 3: just made for an incredible, incredible team. And for your audience, 192 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 3: we should also tell them our team doesn't just have criminal, 193 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 3: forensic and corner expertise on it. I actually wanted to 194 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 3: put some thought into that, and so I actually asked 195 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 3: for volunteer your medics to be part of that as well. 196 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 3: They will sit at base camp and if we do 197 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 3: find someone who's injured, all we do is radio back 198 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 3: to base camp until another rider. Hey load up one 199 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 3: of our medics with a jump bag, bring them out 200 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 3: to us in the same breath. We are going to 201 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 3: start training with our cadaver team, and those horses will 202 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 3: be able to also bring a cadaver dog and their handlers. 203 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 2: So, for instance, if we find a. 204 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 3: Human rib, but we need to find the rest, that 205 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 3: is where you worn't smart. Again, what's old is new. 206 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 3: You could fly a drone all day long, and they're 207 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 3: incredibly valuable, but that drone will never ever outshine a 208 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 3: dog's news. A properly trained K nine will take you 209 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 3: to all the right places. 210 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: I had a buddy he works for TSA. He told 211 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: me the other day he said, Cheryl, you know when 212 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: you get home and you open the door and you 213 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: can smell that wat's been making his spaghetti and you 214 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: instantly recognize it. And I said absolutely, He said, my 215 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: dog can smell the salt in that spaghetti. 216 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 2: See, that's absolutely perfect. That is what they do. 217 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 3: You know, we think that our eyes are phenomenal, but 218 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 3: you would be incredibly surprised. What we can just step 219 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 3: right over We don't see. But again, it takes a village, right, 220 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 3: So it's not that one division or one animal is 221 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 3: better than the other. It is that each one of 222 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 3: those people have a respective place on the team, and 223 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 3: I often refer to it as a rece your only 224 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 3: your leg of the journey is only as good as 225 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 3: the person that handed it off to you and the 226 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 3: one awaiting to receive. So you better stack your team 227 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 3: with good givers and good receivers. 228 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: Let's get into you for a second, because you know, 229 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: most people in the second third grade don't say, man, 230 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: I want to grow up to be a coroner. You know, 231 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: maybe police officer, teacher, firefighter. How did you get into this? 232 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 3: So, I too did not grow up wanting to be 233 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 3: a corner, that's for sure. I didn't even know what 234 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 3: it was when I was that young. I always thought 235 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 3: I wanted to be a veterinarian until I realized that 236 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 3: part of that duty was having to say goodbye to animals, 237 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 3: and that was hard enough on my own. I sure 238 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 3: didn't want to be the one to have to administer that, 239 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 3: So I went on to a jack of all trades 240 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 3: career line for multiple years. I've done a lot of 241 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 3: different things, all of which shaped me to be who 242 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 3: I am today and be as diverse as I am. 243 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 3: So in two thousand and one, my mother had her 244 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 3: last bout with my a Lloyd leukemia, and when she 245 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 3: was in the hospital I knew then because her care 246 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 3: team was incredibly amazing, and I thought, you know, I 247 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 3: really want to pay it forward. I want to do 248 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,439 Speaker 3: that as well. So I took a job at our 249 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 3: local hospital as a padio respiratory tech, and then I 250 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 3: actually entered school for respiratory therapy. My college years were 251 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 3: focused on criminal justice, and that was several years before them. 252 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 3: And there was during my downtime in between seeing patients 253 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 3: on newspaper was on the table and there was an 254 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:09,439 Speaker 3: ad in there for a part time deputy coroner, and 255 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 3: I thought, well, that's interesting. 256 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 2: I wonder what you. 257 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:14,919 Speaker 1: Have to do to do that. 258 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 3: And so that was in two thousand and five, and 259 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 3: I thought, you know, at the time. 260 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: I. 261 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 3: Didn't have anything going on except for plenty of time 262 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 3: to work, right, And I thought, well, I don't need 263 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,919 Speaker 3: a third job, but I'm gonna try it. I'm just 264 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 3: gonna apply. And so I applied for it. And from 265 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 3: the how I left the office in where I applied 266 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 3: to my home was about a twenty five minute drive, 267 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 3: and I made us stop at the grocery store in 268 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 3: my local town and as I put in the parking 269 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 3: lot of the grocery store, my phone rang and it 270 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 3: was the employer offering me a position. 271 00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 1: And so. 272 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,479 Speaker 3: That that's how I got into the deputy coroner field 273 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 3: because as I was paying paying it forward for my 274 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 3: mother at the hospital, that popped in and it was 275 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 3: half medical, half legal. It's kind of where you need 276 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 3: to be to be in this field. You need to 277 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 3: know a little bit about criminal work and investigations, and 278 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 3: you need to know a little bit about medical. And 279 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 3: so that's how I landed in this field. That was 280 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 3: in two thousand and five. I worked part time for 281 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 3: two years. In two thousand and seven, the man who 282 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 3: was corner put in for that position to go to 283 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 3: full time, and so it was the first full time 284 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 3: position aside from the role of quarner, that this county 285 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 3: had awarded in the Corner's office. So I became the 286 00:19:54,080 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 3: first full time employee besides him, and I became the 287 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 3: first chief deputy quarter ever named for this Corner's office. 288 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 3: Fast forward, I wanted to do more education wise, and 289 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 3: so I learned about ABMDI and I became abmd I certified, 290 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 3: which is the American Board of Medico legal death investigators. 291 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 2: That's that. Back to that half medical, half legal. 292 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 1: That's right. 293 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 3: I became the first one certified in our county. And 294 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 3: then in twenty sixteen, my boss was ready to take 295 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 3: it easy and retire, so I ran for the office 296 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:46,719 Speaker 3: of corner And again, none of these, I tell you, 297 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 3: these were all firsts. I never set out for it 298 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 3: to be a first. I usually find that out after 299 00:20:53,840 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 3: I've already done it. And so once I ran for coigner, 300 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 3: I won there. I didn't have any opposition either, So 301 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 3: don't let me make you think that I had this 302 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 3: grand competition out there. 303 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 2: I didn't. 304 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 3: Nobody else wanted this job, but I was the only 305 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 3: one that had any interest in signing up. And so 306 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 3: once I was won the election and I was sworn 307 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 3: in January of twenty seventeen, it dawned on me in February, 308 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 3: I think, like a month later, I say, oh, you 309 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 3: know what, I just now realized, since the inception of 310 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 3: Lancaster County, South Carolina, I'm the first woman to ever 311 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 3: be a coroner here. And so that's why I tell 312 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 3: you some of these moments of first hit me at 313 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,160 Speaker 3: the end, you know, and I think, oh, okay, which 314 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 3: I'm glad they do, because I never want my mission 315 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 3: to be focused on being the first. My mission is 316 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 3: focused on public service, serving my families with honor, integrity, 317 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 3: and pride, and finding the facts and providing the truth. 318 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 3: And it doesn't always suit everyone's palate. I understand that, 319 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 3: but the truth is the truth, and my job is 320 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:21,400 Speaker 3: to find it. 321 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: Are there cases that stay with you, Carla? 322 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:32,360 Speaker 3: There are there are for multiple reasons. There are good 323 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 3: ones and bad ones. I think we all have those. 324 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 3: There are cases that I wish there was more than 325 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 3: circumstantial evidence because I know it's I know what happened, 326 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 3: but there's not enough to put forward to our solicitor's office, 327 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 3: which South Carolina still uses the term solicitor everywhere else 328 00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 3: district attorney. There's not enough information but forward, and there's 329 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 3: just not enough information to be had because some people 330 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 3: are pretty good at committing a crime and covering it up. 331 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 2: So those will always bother me. 332 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 3: Children who are abused and die from that abuse. That 333 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 3: is very that stays with me. Cases that are undetermined, 334 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 3: those stay with me because I just when you don't know, 335 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 3: you don't know if there's no indication, and a lot 336 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 3: of people say, well, you gotta know what happened. 337 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 2: You really don't. 338 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 3: Because if you find somebody in a pool who has 339 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 3: enough water in their lungs to be a drowning, but 340 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 3: they also have enough drugs in their system being overdose, 341 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,360 Speaker 3: which came first, you don't know. 342 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 1: They are out there. I mean there are times you 343 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: cannot shave for one hundred percent certainty, you cannot. 344 00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 3: Correct, correct, and then you have impactful cases. Is that 345 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 3: have a positive impact. When you find out. 346 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 2: The absolute cause of death. 347 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:11,360 Speaker 3: Then that information can be put forth in the public 348 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,959 Speaker 3: health arena, and you know that you worked a death case, 349 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 3: but you provided data to promote living. 350 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 1: A lot of people don't know that, Carla. Like when 351 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 1: you hear the seat belt laws and things like that. 352 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 1: In the air bags, those come from corners and medical 353 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: examiner y'all. 354 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 3: The air bag case that finally caused the huge recall 355 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 3: was actually a corner investigative case. It was the ninth 356 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 3: when it happened. It was the ninth in the nation, 357 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 3: the eleventh. 358 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 2: In the world. 359 00:24:53,760 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 3: And although the other nine and eleven, respectively, were air bags, 360 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 3: they knew that it was a component from the air bag, 361 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 3: but nobody could really prove it prove it, but it 362 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 3: was thought to be so, and that's just kind of 363 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 3: where that stayed. So when the ninth and eleventh one happened, 364 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 3: and I say that respectively, ninth in the nation, eleventh 365 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 3: in the world. When that particular case happened, the corner 366 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:32,360 Speaker 3: sent that person for eyetopesy, had the shrapnel removed, then 367 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,400 Speaker 3: went to the junk yard where the car the vehicle 368 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 3: truck was being held, pulled the air bag canister out 369 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:48,880 Speaker 3: of that, drove it, and drove the shrapnel to Duluth, Georgia, 370 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 3: to a lab that specialized in molecular makeup of metals, 371 00:25:55,359 --> 00:26:00,199 Speaker 3: kind of like human DNA, right right, took both pieces, 372 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 3: had them studied, had it proven one hundred percent that yes, 373 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 3: the piece of metal that killed the driver, that was 374 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:14,159 Speaker 3: pulled from his neck was indeed the piece of metal 375 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 3: metal that came from the airbag canister that closed it up. 376 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 3: Because there was no denying, there was no speculation from 377 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,360 Speaker 3: the other side saying, well you really can't prove it. Well, 378 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 3: it was proven then, and I can speak that language, 379 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 3: and I can speak it well versed, and I know 380 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 3: it like the back of my hand, because that case 381 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 3: was mine, right. 382 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 1: On that is remarkable. 383 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 3: Negative things definitely stay with me. Positives due to because 384 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 3: that got put forth to Nitsa, that got put forth 385 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:04,199 Speaker 3: into the entire world, and it forced to Katta to 386 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 3: be accountable. It forced them to look into their product, 387 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 3: to do the proper recalls, to send out the notifications 388 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 3: to everyone that had one of their faulty airbags to 389 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:22,880 Speaker 3: go to the service dealer and have it changed, updated, upgraded, 390 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 3: potentially saving lives. 391 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 1: Carla, I've never heard that. I'm sitting here just gobsmacked, 392 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 1: So thank you for that. Again. You have no idea 393 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: how many lives you saved. 394 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 3: I don't, And even if it's just one, that's all 395 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 3: I care about. My job is to make sure because 396 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 3: one thing I cannot change, I cannot change death. By 397 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 3: the time my phone rings and my response is required, 398 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 3: that is an eerie event. But what I can change 399 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 3: after that is how we handle the next one, how 400 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 3: we put that information forward, how we put it in 401 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 3: motion to protect health of the future generations. My office 402 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 3: is very advanced as far as the number of autopsies 403 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:33,479 Speaker 3: and toxicology studies that we do, and we do that 404 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 3: because every bit of that data we can collect will 405 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 3: not only help the public, but I also have family 406 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 3: members who are biological and I can say, listen, we 407 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 3: did this study your autopsy. You know, did you know 408 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 3: that your parents had you know this disease or that 409 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 3: when some of them may be dormant, didn't know about 410 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 3: Did you know that there was cardiovascular disease? 411 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 2: Is it hereditary? 412 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:07,719 Speaker 3: Is it not? 413 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 2: I don't know. But what I can tell you is this. 414 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 3: Here are all of your findings. You are thirty five 415 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 3: years old, take them, Have your family physician, your cardiologist, whomever, 416 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 3: make a copy of this and place it on your chart, 417 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 3: so that your health can start being monitored based on 418 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 3: the history of your loved one and potentially could be 419 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 3: on the radar, and potentially you could have some preventive 420 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 3: measures long before you even have a problem. 421 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 2: That part of what I do. 422 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 3: Absolutely love because promoting good health for anyone surrounding these 423 00:29:55,160 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 3: families and helping them is pretty remarkable in the wake 424 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 3: of an end of life event. 425 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: I told y'all you were going to love her, and 426 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: I bet y'all had no idea that that was the 427 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: kind of thing she was helping people with. 428 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 4: How could a beautiful, young first grade teacher be stabbed 429 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 4: twenty times, including in the bat allegedly die of suicide. Yes, 430 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 4: that was the medical examiner's official ruling after a closed 431 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 4: door meeting. 432 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: He first named it a homicide. 433 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 4: Why what happened to Ellen Greenberg a huge American miscarriage 434 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 4: of justice. For an in depth look at the facts, 435 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 4: see what Happened to Ellen on Amazon. All proceeds to 436 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 4: the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. 437 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: So listen, let's talk about one last And it's to me, 438 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: the worst part of the job, and that's the death 439 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 1: notification I've had to give some I've had the training. 440 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: I remember in Atlanta. You know, we're all out there, 441 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: me and Leslie all love us, and this poor guy 442 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: he didn't want to be there. You could tell he 443 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: didn't want to be there. And he was like giving 444 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: a scenario. So he said he would knock on the 445 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: door and say, are you the wid of Jones? Oh 446 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: my gosh, Kay, Kate just bust out with that, you know. 447 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: So then he kind of got more comfortable with it, 448 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: and you know, they said, look, this is the thing. 449 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: You've got to knock on the door, and you've got 450 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 1: to say are you mister or missus? So and so 451 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 1: I regret to inform you you've had a loved one killed. 452 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: Like you can't say passed on, you can't so gone beyond, 453 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: like You've got to be very clear. They have died, 454 00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: they have been killed, you know, car wreck whatever. And 455 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 1: he was the first one of us out of that 456 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: class that actually got the call and had to give 457 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: a death notification. And he said that walking up to 458 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 1: the door, he was just practicing all the steps that 459 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: he remembered. You know, are you, miss so and so 460 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: I regret to inform you, you know, blah blah. So 461 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: we got to the door. He knocked on the door 462 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: and he said, or you, missus Smith, and she said yes, 463 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: And he said, I regret to inform you your son 464 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 1: was killed in a car accident on Treasure Bridge about 465 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: three point thirty this afternoon. And she looked at him 466 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: and that was it. He thought, I delivered it perfectly. 467 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:46,479 Speaker 1: I've done everything right. And she said which one? He 468 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: had forgotten the victim's name in his panic, in his stress. 469 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: You know, it's a horrible thing. I mean, you're walking 470 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: to a door knowing you're fixing to destroy somebody's life, 471 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: you know, with a four hour training ain't gonna get 472 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: you ready for that. So here's what I want to 473 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 1: ask you the death edifications. Do you have a rhythm 474 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: of how you do it? And then the last thing 475 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: I want you to tie in because I've seen it 476 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 1: and when you talk about yes, the worst thing has happened, 477 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: but there is a positive, and Carla, there is always 478 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: a positive. Sometimes we got to look mighty hard, but 479 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 1: there is a positive. And I saw it with you 480 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: with the bond that you made with Ty's family. 481 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 2: So I will tell you. 482 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 3: I'm the training director for the State of South Carolina 483 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,959 Speaker 3: Coroners Association, so we have forty six counties and I 484 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 3: am the responsible person for hosting state trainings. They can 485 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 3: get education all kinds of places, but our state ones. 486 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 3: I do that and they have an opportunity to come. 487 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 2: I tell you that. 488 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:08,399 Speaker 3: To tell you this, out of several trainings a year, 489 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:14,839 Speaker 3: the one thing that I cannot teach them is how 490 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 3: to make that notification easy. 491 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 2: I will tell you. 492 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:24,279 Speaker 3: I am in my twentieth year. I vividly remember the 493 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 3: first time I made a notification and I knocked on 494 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:33,720 Speaker 3: the door. I did it, but I can remember feeling 495 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 3: like it was an out of body experience because it 496 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:41,759 Speaker 3: is not in human nature, it is not in our 497 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 3: comfort zone. I can tell you that was twenty years ago, 498 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,720 Speaker 3: and I can tell you that if another county caused 499 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 3: me tonight, or if I have a call and I 500 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:58,239 Speaker 3: go out and I have to do a notification, I 501 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 3: can tell you twenty years ago, I can tell you 502 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 3: how far up in my throat my stomach was, and 503 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 3: I can tell you that tonight my stomach will be 504 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 3: in the same spot in my throat. Because that knock 505 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 3: on the door, that notification never changes ever, and if 506 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:32,359 Speaker 3: it does change, you probably need to seek some professional 507 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,760 Speaker 3: help in your days, and these professions are probably done 508 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 3: because if it ever gets to a time that that 509 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 3: is easy for you, you have lost your human compassion 510 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 3: and it's time to back out of that. So I 511 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 3: one hundred percent, wholeheartedly agree with you. My rhythm is this, 512 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 3: I go to the home wherever it is, and I 513 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 3: actually start with that decedent's name because I have that 514 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 3: fear of losing it. So I knock on that door 515 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 3: and I will say when they open the door, I 516 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 3: will say I am looking for relatives of John Day, 517 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:26,320 Speaker 3: and the person answering the door will say I'm his mother, father, 518 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,919 Speaker 3: whatever the relationship is. Right, then I go ahead and say, 519 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 3: my name is Carla D's and I am the coroner 520 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:34,280 Speaker 3: from Lancaster County. 521 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 2: I am here to tell you. 522 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,799 Speaker 3: That your son, or I may call him by name, 523 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,800 Speaker 3: I'll either call him by relationship or name. Either one 524 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:49,440 Speaker 3: was involved in a vehicle accident today, and unfortunately he 525 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:53,719 Speaker 3: did not survive. Your son died at whatever time I 526 00:36:53,840 --> 00:37:00,840 Speaker 3: use that word, died dead, not passed away, not any 527 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 3: of these soft words. Those have a time and a place, clear, 528 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 3: concise and direct. It does not mean that you don't 529 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 3: have compassion. That compassion comes immediately after that, once they 530 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,319 Speaker 3: collect themselves, because that takes a minute. My next words are, 531 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 3: I am here to help you in whatever manner I 532 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 3: can tell me at this moment in time, what I 533 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 3: can do for you, Beautiful, I always when I'm training 534 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:40,360 Speaker 3: my own folks. Here, here's how I want you to relate. 535 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,320 Speaker 3: Somebody has just spilled every egg out of their basket. 536 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 3: When you give them that news, your job is to 537 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 3: help them put their eggs back in the basket. Some 538 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 3: of it comes slowly, and you may not get every 539 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,200 Speaker 3: egg back in there. Ironically, that is how I knew 540 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 3: the family tie Tai's mother, Chante, had a couple of 541 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 3: deaths in her family over the years. I happened to 542 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 3: be the one to work them. On this particular night, 543 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 3: this particular afternoon, I was giving a heads up that 544 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,719 Speaker 3: we had someone who jumped over the bridge and it 545 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 3: was witnessed by multiple drivers a very busy highway, and 546 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:30,120 Speaker 3: I said, oh, gosh, okay, call me if we can 547 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,879 Speaker 3: do anything for you guys, because at the time, that's 548 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 3: what you have. You have someone who jumped and they 549 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 3: don't have a sighting on him. Unfortunately, someone in the 550 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:46,600 Speaker 3: mix of emergency response, because the family knew that he 551 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 3: had jumped, because it was witnessed. It was witnessed by 552 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 3: actually some other family members who had just left the 553 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 3: same place he did. Unfortunately, someone said to the family, well, 554 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,239 Speaker 3: we think we can we put a camera down there. 555 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:06,279 Speaker 3: We think we see his body. Okay, that's a no no, 556 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:12,719 Speaker 3: because you don't know what you don't know, And they 557 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,840 Speaker 3: couldn't say they definitively saw him. They just saw something 558 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,719 Speaker 3: in the water. This is murky water. It has all 559 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 3: kinds of stuff in it. It's rolling at ninety three 560 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:30,839 Speaker 3: thousand gallons a second, you know it's impossible. With that 561 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,319 Speaker 3: being said, then you have opened the door of the 562 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,239 Speaker 3: corner has got to step in. So I go to 563 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,360 Speaker 3: the scene, and then I went up on the bridge 564 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,279 Speaker 3: and I talked to the family and I realized it 565 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:47,360 Speaker 3: was Shante, his mother, and of course I hugged her in. 566 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:51,480 Speaker 3: I said, listen, I don't know. We don't have a 567 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:56,760 Speaker 3: sighting on a body. However, we are going to look 568 00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,759 Speaker 3: and give it our all. And that's how I got 569 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,920 Speaker 3: a and I stayed involved, and I stayed involved for 570 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 3: nineteen days until we recovered him. And we recovered him 571 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 3: courtesy of our cadaver team and a phenomenal, phenomenal expert 572 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 3: with them, Dave Mylon and Dave organized what we were 573 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:25,799 Speaker 3: doing that morning, and our fire departments got in their 574 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:31,719 Speaker 3: boots and put their crews on them. They put the 575 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,680 Speaker 3: dog handlers and the dogs on the boats, and they 576 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:41,440 Speaker 3: executed the plan that Dave laid out perfectly, and within 577 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,120 Speaker 3: two and a half hours, not even that much. It 578 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,120 Speaker 3: was probably within an hour after our planning and getting 579 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,000 Speaker 3: in the boats and them getting all of their directives 580 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:55,800 Speaker 3: from Dave, it was an under an hour we had him. 581 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 3: That's where the horse team was born, and of course 582 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,560 Speaker 3: our public unveil for the horse team. Ty had a 583 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 3: child who was born roughly a month after he died, 584 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:12,279 Speaker 3: and that baby was there at the unveiling. So all 585 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,879 Speaker 3: of his kids were there, but particularly the baby who 586 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,719 Speaker 3: never met his dad, got to be part of what 587 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,960 Speaker 3: his dad inspired, and. 588 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,360 Speaker 1: They loved those horses. 589 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 2: They did well. 590 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,640 Speaker 1: I cannot thank you enough for allowing me to be 591 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,680 Speaker 1: a part of your team, and for you being a 592 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:31,960 Speaker 1: part of my Zone seven. 593 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,839 Speaker 3: Well, Cheryl, I cannot thank you enough for thinking of 594 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:41,040 Speaker 3: me and allowing to be part of something so incredible 595 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:45,960 Speaker 3: and so great. The work you do is phenomenal, and 596 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:51,480 Speaker 3: the education you put out there is incredible, and your 597 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,400 Speaker 3: work speaks for itself. So to be part of your 598 00:41:55,920 --> 00:42:00,680 Speaker 3: Zone seven is just quite an honor. I very much 599 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 3: appreciate it. 600 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,320 Speaker 1: All right, give my buddy a hug, I will, y'all. 601 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna end Zone seven the way that I always 602 00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,600 Speaker 1: do with a quote. And before I do that, I 603 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,400 Speaker 1: got to tell you it's kind of funny hearing you 604 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:14,400 Speaker 1: call me Cheryl. 605 00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,240 Speaker 3: Well, you know, I didn't want to just call you Mac. 606 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,960 Speaker 3: I thought I needed to be proper. But anyway, thanks 607 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,080 Speaker 3: happy to be all your jeam. 608 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,239 Speaker 1: It is all good, It's just funny. I'm like, I 609 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,200 Speaker 1: don't think I've ever heard her call me that. I'm 610 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,200 Speaker 1: going to end Zone seven the way that I always 611 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,840 Speaker 1: do with a quote. There are a few who envy me. 612 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,640 Speaker 1: They want to know what they have to do to 613 00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:44,800 Speaker 1: get my job to be who I am. It's only death, 614 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:49,520 Speaker 1: How hard can it be? They say? Here, I silently reply, 615 00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,840 Speaker 1: take it all, every fester and remnant of the people 616 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:59,560 Speaker 1: no one cared about in life, much less death, all 617 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:03,680 Speaker 1: the broken children who will never know that I grieved 618 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,239 Speaker 1: for them. Take it off. Just leave me my car 619 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:11,359 Speaker 1: key so I can get home permanently. Somebody else can 620 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:17,480 Speaker 1: listen to the bullshit. Death loves dispute. He never shuts up. 621 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:24,360 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, Blood Beneath my Feet The journey of 622 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:30,120 Speaker 1: a Southern death investigator. I'm Cheryl McCollum, and this is 623 00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:30,800 Speaker 1: own Saven.