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Speaker 1: here today. Last night aw Dynamite, and boy was there
Speaker 1: some great wrestling on that show. There's four tournament mans
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Speaker 1: Are the show Brian Albarez here Wrestling Observer Live. Mike
Speaker 1: Simper VB also of Wrestling Observer dot com. Lots of
Speaker 1: news to get into here today. There's a giant article
Speaker 1: on the front page of Wrestling Observer dot com, which
Speaker 1: is noted originally was going to be a cover story
Speaker 1: in The Observer, but no new Observer this week, so
Speaker 1: it's going up here, and it's all about.
Speaker 8: Raw.
Speaker 1: Where is raw going? The WWE wrights renewals and the
Speaker 1: a w rights renewals will end up being the two
Speaker 1: most important prossing stories of the next year, Dave writes.
Speaker 1: From the start, Analyston believed NBC, which would be USA Network,
Speaker 1: Disney which would be FX, Amazon Prime, and WBD we're
Speaker 1: all potential suitors for the show that starts its thirty
Speaker 1: second year in a few weeks. WBD, due to its
Speaker 1: affiliation with aw was always considered a long shot. Word
Speaker 1: going around was AWBD was no longer in the game.
Speaker 1: As of October, Cmpunk's signing with Open Doors up since endeavors.
Speaker 1: Mark Shapiro, along with Nick con and Paul Leveck had
Speaker 1: a meeting with WBD on Monday morning. What report we
Speaker 1: had was a PUNK was a major part of the
Speaker 1: pitch id he'd be a regular on the Raw brand report.
Speaker 1: We had included pushing his merchandise sales, social media views
Speaker 1: along with ratings of recent shows. Obviously, the situation is
Speaker 1: back wide open. This greatly effects AW, which is also
Speaker 1: been in talks with WBD a number of deals besides
Speaker 1: just television rights renewals, including potential streaming. WBD gets a
Speaker 1: cut of aw streaming pay per view through Bleacher Report.
Speaker 1: While never acknowledge, there is the belief WBD owns points
Speaker 1: in aw Dony Khon never denied it when asked, only
Speaker 1: saying that he has one hundred percent of the voting
Speaker 1: and decision making power. Now, we just talked earlier in
Speaker 1: the week the WWE mlw antitrust lawsuit was settled, and
Speaker 1: given that there was a lawsuit, given that it was settled,
Speaker 1: I mean, on the surface, it would seem just wild
Speaker 1: the idea that WWE would try to get Raw on
Speaker 1: WBD as a way to get AW off WBD. Okay, Now,
Speaker 1: some things have changed in the sense that the Vince
Speaker 1: McMahon and the Vince McMahon family do not own WWE anymore.
Speaker 1: Endeavor does, and when Vince was in charge. Vince was
Speaker 1: very specific about, you know, there have to be we
Speaker 1: have to have an exclusive. We could be the only
Speaker 1: pro wrestling program on USA, for example. And in fact,
Speaker 1: the irony is the whole reason that UFC is where
Speaker 1: it is today is because how long would it be?
Speaker 1: Fifteen almost twenty years ago, UFC decided that they wanted
Speaker 1: to do this reality show, The Ultimate Fighter, and it
Speaker 1: was going to be on the USA network or was
Speaker 1: it was it Spike then they might have been spikeing
Speaker 1: with Spike, So they were gonna put on Spike and
Speaker 1: they had to have Vince McMahon. Okay, this because Vince
Speaker 1: had an exclusive, and Vince could have very easily said
Speaker 1: that ain't gonna happen, and had he said that, I mean,
Speaker 1: we may not even have UFC today, it maybe like,
Speaker 1: you know, we'd be watching Pride shows or something I
Speaker 1: don't know in Japan but not here. But for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: Vince was like, all right, you can put it after Raw,
Speaker 1: no big deal, And that was the beginning of the
Speaker 1: explosion of UFC, which has continued to this day and
Speaker 1: it actually has now led to UFC and WWE basically
Speaker 1: merging as TKO. So that's ironic. But anyway, since Endeavor
Speaker 1: took over, well, now you know UFC PFL, they have
Speaker 1: no problem with PFL also being on ESPN or whatever
Speaker 1: channel UFC will be on, So I don't. I mean
Speaker 1: the belief is, and actually we kind of know this.
Speaker 1: Actually the CW deal with NXT that is not an exclusive.
Speaker 1: So the NWA, you know, they've got a show on
Speaker 1: CW streaming, and who knows, they may end up with
Speaker 1: a show on CW proper. So basically what I'm saying
Speaker 1: here is if RAW goes to TBSTNT or a different
Speaker 1: WBD property, like, that's not a guarantee that they would
Speaker 1: not also negotiate with AW. Now the problem is if WWE,
Speaker 1: if RAW goes to WBD, an exclusive may be irrelevant
Speaker 1: because if they pay four hundred million dollars for the
Speaker 1: rights for RAW, do they have any money left over
Speaker 1: to offer AW eighty million dollars or whatever it would
Speaker 1: take to keep AAW. So you know, whether there's an
Speaker 1: exclusive or not, WWE going to TBS or TNT that
Speaker 1: could absolutely have serious ramifications on AW in terms of
Speaker 1: they may not be able to get on WBD for
Speaker 1: this next deal and their deals coming up within a year,
Speaker 1: so obviously you know there would be other options for
Speaker 1: which to shop around, aw you. But that's the update.
Speaker 1: There are still discussions. And my guess is that you know,
Speaker 1: my wild prediction is, what's that I'm going on vacation
Speaker 1: next week, having to be gone the entire week. It
Speaker 1: is surely going to happen at some point next week
Speaker 1: when I am gone, That's my prediction.
Speaker 7: Will you be sitting in green sand here?
Speaker 1: There isn't any probably not.
Speaker 9: Dave exposed what Rocky was on, didn't he? But you know,
Speaker 9: I gotta say, and I hate to be a dour
Speaker 9: presence here, but you say there's other options for aw boy,
Speaker 9: I'll tell you what if WWE were and I don't
Speaker 9: think that they will, but if they were to get
Speaker 9: on WBD. The problem with AEW is every suitor that
Speaker 9: wanted professional wrestling, that was open to professional wrestling, NBC Universal, WBD,
Speaker 9: they'll already have it CW. They are already gonna have that.
Speaker 9: You've already talked with CW and you said no to
Speaker 9: them before, so you know it's going to be tough
Speaker 9: to go back a second time around at that point.
Speaker 9: What that does to you is you have to use
Speaker 9: every tool at your disposal to try to open up
Speaker 9: Paramount and CBS and Showtime maybe to be interested. However
Speaker 9: that conglomerate works at this point to maybe try to
Speaker 9: get on there and maybe they can host your streaming service.
Speaker 9: Paramounts got really not a whole lot.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 9: The AW library might look pretty good on there, but
Speaker 9: from there it's Amazon Prime. They'll pay you. But again
Speaker 9: there's a concern, at least in my eyes, over whether
Speaker 9: that's a good move or not. I worry about it
Speaker 9: for WWE visibility wise and interest wise. I worry about
Speaker 9: it even more when it comes to AW. So it's
Speaker 9: going to be really again, I don't think it's going
Speaker 9: to happen, But say that were to happen and they
Speaker 9: go with WWE and the other money they're spending is
Speaker 9: on the NBA, it's gonna be a tough road to hoe.
Speaker 9: And I don't want to be the secondary. I don't
Speaker 9: want to be on Discovery, where all those executives in
Speaker 9: that side of things already hates me anyway. I don't
Speaker 9: want to be on True TV. Nobody takes True TV
Speaker 9: seriously anyway. And then if WWE's on one. That's where
Speaker 9: you're gonna get moved to. Because I tell you what,
Speaker 9: Raw ain't gonna be on True TV, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: You know, DJ says before anyone panics, WBD paying that
Speaker 1: much for one show is deeply unlikely. Well, it may
Speaker 1: be the idea of three hundred and eighty to four
Speaker 1: hundred million for Raw. Perhaps that is unlikely. But you
Speaker 1: know the question is, okay, well, could they afford three
Speaker 1: twenty and would WWE accept three twenty as opposed to
Speaker 1: three eighty or four hundred if they felt that, Well,
Speaker 1: we ain't gonna make what we wanted. But you know what,
Speaker 1: that may handle that aw problem. I don't know this
Speaker 1: Nick conn this guy. Let me tell you this guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we'll know a lot more here soon.
Speaker 9: And I left Disney FX out of that conversation when
Speaker 9: he came to Tony Kahn because I believe and I
Speaker 9: got look, and I could be dead ass wrong here.
Speaker 9: I gotta believe that if Disney FX doesn't have WWWE,
Speaker 9: they the relationship that they have with ESPN, WWE does.
Speaker 7: I don't think they're gonna want to screw that up.
Speaker 9: And I don't think that ESPN and Disney will necessarily
Speaker 9: care if they don't have any wrestling on, considering they
Speaker 9: haven't already, so I don't know it'll be interesting, although
Speaker 9: again FX could definitely use something to jumpstart him a
Speaker 9: little bit, and aw's numbers could do that.
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Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about a little bit more here. We
Speaker 1: got other news to get into. Jim Ross gave a
Speaker 1: health update, hoping to be back by World's end December thirtieth.
Speaker 1: Still has some health issues to address, says he's taken
Speaker 1: a date at a time. I feel great. My leg
Speaker 1: hurts all that stuff. That's nothing new. It's an open wound.
Speaker 1: It's been open for over a year, which is not good,
Speaker 1: he said. The suspected reason the leg hasn't healed is
Speaker 1: due to having high blood sugar levels. He has been
Speaker 1: taking insolent injections. Recently his levels have come down considerably.
Speaker 1: The medicines are working. Mentally, feels like he's back in
Speaker 1: the hunt. No idea what the future is at aw
Speaker 1: has no clue, very frank about it. He's not worried
Speaker 1: about it. My work should stand on its own after
Speaker 1: fifty years, he says.
Speaker 2: It does.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I worry too much, so, he said. He hoped
Speaker 1: to be back by World's End, which is on the thirtieth,
Speaker 1: and we're starting to get a card for World's End.
Speaker 1: We'll get to a little bit later as we do
Speaker 1: the The Dynamite Report World Famous A world famous dynamite Report,
Speaker 1: by the way, as noted earlier, no spoilers, but there
Speaker 1: is a top flight Darius Dante and Action Andretti versus
Speaker 1: Penta Commander and the Kingo main event on Friday night
Speaker 1: that man I was told that like it was unbelievable.
Speaker 1: And keep in mind, keep in mind this is from
Speaker 1: people that saw the rest of Dynamite last night. So
Speaker 1: if you saw like the Moxley Swerve match and that
Speaker 1: Mark Brisco match, I mean, there were so many great
Speaker 1: matches on Dynamite, but this is the one that people
Speaker 1: were like, you must see this match. So anyway, said
Speaker 1: to be out of this world. So main events, they
Speaker 1: do moves, lots of them. Oh they'll do moves, all right,
Speaker 1: hope that's another spoiler. They will definitely do moves. And
Speaker 1: then of course, also on Friday is the Final Battle
Speaker 1: Show Athena versus Billy Starks and that's the actual Billy
Speaker 1: Starks and not Big Bill and Ricky Starks. We have
Speaker 1: the Survival of the Fittest six Way with Dalton Castle Commander,
Speaker 1: Lee Moriarty, Lee Johnson, Kyle Fletcher and a TBD. We
Speaker 1: have a Kingo versus Black Ta Ruse for the Mega
Speaker 1: Championship just announced, Keith Lee versus Shane Taylor, Ethan Page
Speaker 1: faces Tony Neison and I Quit Match. And we've got
Speaker 1: John Moxley, Claudio and Brian Danilson versus FTR and Mark Brisco.
Speaker 1: Last Check twenty two hundred tickets out. It might be
Speaker 1: let's see if we've got an update on that. Actually,
Speaker 1: all right, it's a final battle Friday night Honor Club.
Speaker 1: Let's see if Russell Ticks is updated. It's always fun
Speaker 1: to just do this on the air.
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Speaker 1: To ninety nine was the attendance for Winter Is Coming
Speaker 1: last night, so they didn't ad about two hudred and
Speaker 1: fifteen tickets since we announced everything yesterday. So that is
Speaker 1: the update. And then Friday we've got SmackDown, the Return
Speaker 1: of Roman Reigns, Kevin Owens, Austin Theory and Grayson Waller
Speaker 1: and Carmelo Hayes gets his shot in the US Title
Speaker 1: Contenders Tournament Collision. On Saturday, Daniel Garcia Eddie Kingston. Eddie
Speaker 1: Kingston must win over Daniel Garcia. Here Brian Danielson will
Speaker 1: face Brody king And then we've got Claudio versus andrawde
Speaker 1: Monday's Raw Damian Priest and Finn Baler versus, Julius and Brutus.
Speaker 1: You're getting your tag team title match. That day, and
Speaker 1: also your women's tag team title match, which is Chelsea
Speaker 1: and Piper versus Katana Chance and Caden Carter what or
Speaker 1: both I believe will be tag team title changes.
Speaker 9: Oh, they're gonna do double team gymnastics moves everybody. It's
Speaker 9: gonna be really exciting. And then we've got a badly
Speaker 9: like coordinated for show. I'm sorry, I don't see every time.
Speaker 1: Mike, my god, you're the one.
Speaker 7: You're the one guy. I'm sorry the Jesus.
Speaker 9: By the way, I did like when you said when
Speaker 9: he went into it was not NXT. How you said
Speaker 9: it with Dave, it sounded like you said Sonata NXT
Speaker 9: and like that's the worst way I think you could
Speaker 9: insult in a next show by saying it was a
Speaker 9: Sonata NXT.
Speaker 7: Wow you like that guy?
Speaker 1: Wow? I don't. I don't dislike Sonata. He's just fine.
Speaker 1: He's fine.
Speaker 7: He's missing mister average.
Speaker 1: He basically is mister average. He can have well above
Speaker 1: average matches, that's it. Yeah, But like other than that,
Speaker 1: he's mister average. He's the look when they it's literally
Speaker 1: just a guy. That's his gimmick.
Speaker 9: When they talk about tangibles, when they have that it's blank,
Speaker 9: that's who they introduce these guys. It's like these really
Speaker 9: aren't intangibles, Like the intangibles are the things that you
Speaker 9: know guys like Unfortunately Sonata are missing. A lot of
Speaker 9: people believe that about Jay Lethal, another guy that I
Speaker 9: like that, a lot of people just don't, like, can't believe.
Speaker 9: No one doesn't like, oh you look Jay Lethal, Jeff Jarrett.
Speaker 9: There's a lot of people who over the years.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, whoever said is Sonata in New Japan's
Speaker 1: miss please? I mean, come on now, that's that's that's ridiculous,
Speaker 1: Come on, ridiculous.
Speaker 9: Ms never had an awesome main like a Sonata had
Speaker 9: when he had the beard and the hair and he
Speaker 9: looked incredible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the other thing too, like he his his
Speaker 1: new generic look. It's like, bro, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: Like you had something that's stuck out for a while there,
Speaker 1: like the only thing, but then you just got.
Speaker 10: Rid of it.
Speaker 9: The just five guys stable, it's like they were going
Speaker 9: to be presented as like this older group of gentlemen
Speaker 9: essentially is what they were until they just recently introduced
Speaker 9: Yuwu Mura into their camp. But like that was fine
Speaker 9: to do the change and give him the belt. But
Speaker 9: it's like, Okay, this is a big sinker swim for
Speaker 9: him career wise because his legacy kind of like rests
Speaker 9: on this. Can he get into the Naiato and Knakamura
Speaker 9: in Tanahashi level or is he always going to be
Speaker 9: right here? And unfortunately for him, with the way this
Speaker 9: title reign went, he's always going to be right here.
Speaker 1: Then we have the the ratings for the NXT show
Speaker 1: six seventy eight, up eight percent from the previous week.
Speaker 1: Largest audience is November fourteenth, why point eighteen and eighteen
Speaker 1: to forty nine, which was down five point three percent
Speaker 1: lois since August twenty ninth, and this was the fallout
Speaker 1: from the deadline show.
Speaker 7: So yeah, this show really hurt you, didn't it last
Speaker 7: couple weeks did?
Speaker 1: And then you know, you know what makes me the
Speaker 1: most angry is is I hate being accused. I got
Speaker 1: really mad at that guy yesterday because he's telling me
Speaker 1: that every NXT show sucks, which it doesn't, okay, but
Speaker 1: yesterday it was like, yeah, I thought the show sucked.
Speaker 1: I thought yesterday's NXT was bad. Then I had people going, oh,
Speaker 1: you hate NXT what that's what they said to me,
Speaker 1: you hate.
Speaker 7: They listened to this show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they listened to any other show. That's what's so
Speaker 1: annoying about it. It's like I'm the last person to
Speaker 1: ever be accused of hating NXT, literally the last on
Speaker 1: the planet Earth. What I'm trying to do is I'm
Speaker 1: trying to, like, you know, tell you what's good and
Speaker 1: what's bad, and be it and do it in like
Speaker 1: a like you know, an honest, forthright way and entertaining.
Speaker 1: And sometimes I think the show is excellent. Sometimes I
Speaker 1: think the show is good, and sometimes I think the
Speaker 1: show sucks. It would be here. Here's the thing. I
Speaker 1: don't care what you think about me credibility wise. I
Speaker 1: like to have credibility. If I sat here and I
Speaker 1: told you that every NXT was awesome, I would have
Speaker 1: no credibility. And the reason I got mad yesterday is
Speaker 1: because that guy trying to tell me that every NXT
Speaker 1: is terrible, which now you have no credibility. So sometimes
Speaker 1: they're good, sometimes they're bad, and sometimes they're great. This
Speaker 1: Tuesday was bad. It was a bad show, And I
Speaker 1: don't feel like I should be a bad person for
Speaker 1: telling you it was a bad show. When it's a
Speaker 1: good show. I'll tell you believe me.
Speaker 7: I'll tell you nobody said that you were a bad person. Brian.
Speaker 1: Anytime anyone says anything negative about me, they'll call me
Speaker 1: a bad person. I take it deep in my chest,
Speaker 1: especially when talking about NXT. By the way, next week's NXT.
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Speaker 2: You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
Speaker 2: and Mike simper VV on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1: In the show, Brian Elvarez here Wrestling Observer Live, Mike
Speaker 1: simper vv also Wrestling Observer dot com. It is time
Speaker 1: for the world famous Dynamite Report, and this is one
Speaker 1: of these shows it shouldn't take longer review because it's
Speaker 1: really just wrestling, like a lot of angles or anything
Speaker 1: like that. But it did open up with Samoa Joe
Speaker 1: coming up, coming out, and he talked about MGF getting
Speaker 1: beaten up last week and are you ready for my
Speaker 1: most intense criticism of this show. M One of the
Speaker 1: reasons that people like AW especially the beginning, was because
Speaker 1: they did not do the things that irritated people about WWE. Okay,
Speaker 1: and I think some people are just they can't help
Speaker 1: themselves now. But when Simoe Joe came out, and he
Speaker 1: was upset that MGF got beaten up because this might
Speaker 1: jeopardize his quote championship opportunity. It's like, God, help me,
Speaker 1: just say title shot. I'm begging you. So anyway, with
Speaker 1: that out of the way, he said, a bottle got
Speaker 1: busted over Mgf's head. It was a band of beer
Speaker 1: that a certain cowboy liked to drink, and when he
Speaker 1: went looking, a certain Hangman was missing. So Hangman comes out.
Speaker 1: He says, listen, if you want to say something to me,
Speaker 1: just say to my face. And if you think it's me,
Speaker 1: if you think I care about the devil, you're wrong.
Speaker 1: I don't care about this romance laser tag, who done it? Anything?
Speaker 1: You want to do something about it, let's go. So
Speaker 1: then Roderick Strong comes out and he says, Joe, you
Speaker 1: should listen to this young boy. Hangman page my young boy.
Speaker 1: He says, look at what's happening here. Jay White won
Speaker 1: a world title match. He got attacked, acclaimed lost to
Speaker 1: match for Max. They got attacked. Then the goons attacked Max.
Speaker 1: But you know what, they didn't touch him. They didn't
Speaker 1: lay one hand on him. And we also never saw
Speaker 1: him physically touched when he got laid out last week.
Speaker 1: So he says, obviously, it's obvious the devil is MJF.
Speaker 1: And it started yelling at Hangman, it's a Hangman punched
Speaker 1: him and we got the opener, which was Rodert Strong
Speaker 1: and Hangman Page. Very very good match. Hangman like, man,
Speaker 1: this guy's I don't know if it was you know
Speaker 1: he lost that Texas Death Match or the Yeah Texas
Speaker 1: death Match, but man, this guy's over. He stomped this
Speaker 1: dude in the corner. He made his big comeback there
Speaker 1: going crazy, went for the moon Salt, missed, but he
Speaker 1: hit his sit out power bomb. Kingdom takes the ref
Speaker 1: Hangman takes them both out with the moon Salt to
Speaker 1: the outside, goes for the buckshot and gets countered. They
Speaker 1: go back and forth. Hangman hits him with the dead Eye,
Speaker 1: pins him. Excellent opener. Then we had the first of
Speaker 1: multiple tournament matches, Brody King versus Andrade. Excellent match, highlighted
Speaker 1: by the beginning as they grappled on the mat and
Speaker 1: Androtti Androde hitting Brody King with a side headlock takeover.
Speaker 1: I was howling and I'm not even sure that Brody
Speaker 1: wanted to go over because man Androtti yanked his neck
Speaker 1: to get that side headlock. Take over. Man, he got him.
Speaker 7: He's making sure he was going over eat a.
Speaker 1: Load chance and you know it is pretty impressive. This
Speaker 1: is Andrade given out. Absolutely Giganticky is now so finally
Speaker 1: they're brawling and they're fighting up on top and Androddi
Speaker 1: grabs him and he gives him a DDT onto the
Speaker 1: top of the corner post. He exposed corner post and
Speaker 1: then he gets a hammerlocked DT and he pins him. Excellent.
Speaker 1: Probably my second favorite man on the show, although I
Speaker 1: got to think about it. Then we add Renee with
Speaker 1: Kevin Ross and Marshall von Eric. Kevin says, man, I
Speaker 1: love this aw and he's interrupted by Dan Housen, Orange
Speaker 1: Cassidy and Trent and Ooren says, you know, guys, I
Speaker 1: got a match on rampage. I need two partners, and
Speaker 1: Dan Housen says, you're betraying us right in front of us,
Speaker 1: and Orange said, yeah, we're in Texas, and so Trent
Speaker 1: and Dan Housen say, I guess you're right. So Marshall
Speaker 1: and Ross agreed they will be teaming with Orange Cassidy
Speaker 1: on the Rampage show that is coming up this Friday
Speaker 1: that has been taped, but I will not give you
Speaker 1: spoilers for I will not give you spoilers. And I
Speaker 1: know when I say this, people are thinking that I'm
Speaker 1: giving a spoiler, but I actually don't know who won.
Speaker 1: But I'm still gonna say it like this. I won't
Speaker 1: give you spoilers as to who wins the match with
Speaker 1: the von Erics in Texas on Friday on Rampage.
Speaker 9: Iron Clall coming to theaters near you. Why it though,
Speaker 9: when people complain about the WWE style openings, and I
Speaker 9: can understand that that they don't look at a segment
Speaker 9: like that that was so goofy and dumb and just
Speaker 9: say the same thing that, well, we don't like copying
Speaker 9: what WWE it does with stupid comedy for interviews.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Don't look at me just asking this
Speaker 1: was better than every single women's backstage segment on NXT
Speaker 1: this week by Miles. Well, I will say that. Then
Speaker 1: we had Kenny and Jericho come out boy this segment, oh.
Speaker 9: Boy, yeah, speaking all right now, now we got one.
Speaker 9: I think we can all universally agree whether you're a
Speaker 9: WWE supporter, whether you like the long segments, whether you
Speaker 9: don't like the long segments, no matter what it is,
Speaker 9: you couldn't have liked this because it went on forever.
Speaker 1: And this did go on way too long. Oh but first,
Speaker 1: he's actually the most amazing. It was the most amazing thing.
Speaker 1: But I was pretty amazed. So they actually did Chris
Speaker 1: Jericho's entrance during the commercial, so you couldn't even hear
Speaker 1: the fans singing his song. So they come back commercial
Speaker 1: with these guys are just in the ring, and so
Speaker 1: Jericho says, you know, we got attacked a while ago
Speaker 1: by Big Bill and Ricky and dislocated my elbow and
Speaker 1: put him out for three weeks and kick Kenny in
Speaker 1: the face put him out, So get get your sorry
Speaker 1: behinds out here. So Bill and Ricky come out. Ricky says,
Speaker 1: I got no problems with you. Kenny, irresponsible for this place.
Speaker 1: But Jericho, I got nothing to thank you for. So
Speaker 1: that makes me question you, Kenny, why do you trust
Speaker 1: a guy like Chris Jericho. He screwed everybody. And Bill
Speaker 1: then says, look at everything he's done to you. If
Speaker 1: he turned on you today, he says, nobody would be surprised.
Speaker 1: Kenny says, we all know I don't trust this guy.
Speaker 1: So he says, let's talk about you're past Big Bill.
Speaker 1: You guys remember the firm. I don't either. I would
Speaker 1: say that firm angle with MGF was more like the
Speaker 1: flacid woo or right up something right up your alley
Speaker 1: soft that did get a pop. By the way, everything
Speaker 1: they got to pop in this had to do with WWE.
Speaker 1: I can't help but notice he says, listen when it
Speaker 1: comes to beat downs on the king of receiving them.
Speaker 1: So if you want to talk a big game, that's cool.
Speaker 1: On December thirtieth, Kenny Omega says, at World's End, prehaps
Speaker 1: the Winnipeg Jets. Oops, actually the Golden Jets. We're not
Speaker 1: the Winnipeg Jets. The Golden Jets, they're gonna take your titles.
Speaker 1: Ricky says, you're on. But before we get there, let
Speaker 1: me remind you of something back in January. He says,
Speaker 1: I beat you Chris Jericho on Dynamite and Big Bill.
Speaker 1: Big Bill interrupts me and he goes, actually you beat
Speaker 1: him twice. You beat him on pay per view as well.
Speaker 1: And Ricky seemed like he had no idea to be
Speaker 1: Chris Jerich on paper. He goes, I beached on paper
Speaker 1: for you too. He says, I've already done half the work.
Speaker 1: We're the best tag team of all time. We don't
Speaker 1: even have a name. And so Jericho says, well, I
Speaker 1: got some names for you, and he has one name
Speaker 1: that gets.
Speaker 7: Bleeped Fandango's style here he tried, and.
Speaker 1: The crowd's kind of dead, and he goes, all right,
Speaker 1: I can do better. He goes, how about the Rick
Speaker 1: and the uh, the Richard. He actually said Dick. That's
Speaker 1: another name for Richard. I don't know if you're aware
Speaker 1: of or not. But anyway, like that, like nobody popped
Speaker 1: except one guy, big Bill. He laughed at that one.
Speaker 1: He tried so hard not to laugh, but he got cracked.
Speaker 1: And so then Jericho says, well, how about you know,
Speaker 1: we we put your your names together, first names, and
Speaker 1: we'll have you guys can be big Billy Starks because
Speaker 1: as Dave noted, there's a wrestler or Billy Starks. Okay.
Speaker 1: So uh, Stars goes, eh, you know that one fell
Speaker 1: kind of flat, and so then Jericho says, well, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe it did fall flat, But let me tell you
Speaker 1: one thing. All you are Ricky is a better dressed,
Speaker 1: less charismatic version of Enzo Amore. That popped the crowd.
Speaker 1: They were like, oh man, that was a sick burn.
Speaker 1: And so then Stark said, well, you can make as
Speaker 1: many jokes as you want. I'm sick and tired of
Speaker 1: both of you. You want war, bring it, World's end.
Speaker 1: The title match is on, So there you go, Enzo reference,
Speaker 1: Enzo reference, Well.
Speaker 7: You can't beat that. Yeah, Ben, he.
Speaker 1: Already had a name for him. I don't know why
Speaker 1: Tony isn't like that one absolutely big.
Speaker 7: We had Rio and Ruby Soho wait till they turned
Speaker 7: baby face and they're in a inner gender six person
Speaker 7: tag with Billy Starks. What do you do?
Speaker 1: Then we had Ruby Soho and Rijo and crowd super
Speaker 1: loves Rijo's always she hit a Mediaora got the pin
Speaker 1: is good. Tonian commentary says, She'll never be able to
Speaker 1: do that to me. Then we had a wardlow video
Speaker 1: package Rush and Jay Lethal. This one was quick and
Speaker 1: the highlight, which to me was actually the low light,
Speaker 1: was Ruche tapped him out with I swear the worst
Speaker 1: sleeper I've ever seen. And it's funny because we were
Speaker 1: talking about you know, we were talking on the Tuesday
Speaker 1: show about you know those old angles in the territory days.
Speaker 1: We're like, you know, this guy went to seven countries
Speaker 1: and learned from the greatest sleeper hold practitioners in the world,
Speaker 1: six months of hard training to learn how to do
Speaker 1: the sleeper hold. I was like, I gotta teach sleeper
Speaker 1: hold in thirty secon thirty seconds. I can tea you
Speaker 1: got to do a choke sleeper and choke somebody out.
Speaker 1: But apparently that was wrong. Rouche needs to travel to
Speaker 1: multiple countries and uh talk to the spoiler whoever, because
Speaker 1: this was the worst sleeper I've ever seen in my
Speaker 1: whole life. He had his arm outside his own arm,
Speaker 1: not even like like everyone what. I was so mad,
Speaker 1: he was yelling at the screen.
Speaker 9: He's got an elastic Belton Brian, He's just starting out.
Speaker 1: Mark Briscoe and j White another excellent television match, gal Lee,
Speaker 1: this frickin' Mark Briscoe. Like we all know Jay White's great,
Speaker 1: but like you guys realize that Mark Briscoe has never
Speaker 1: never had anything less than a great match in aw
Speaker 1: name the last average match the guy had. You'll never
Speaker 1: find a bad one.
Speaker 2: He is.
Speaker 1: He has had nothing less than excellent matches every as
Speaker 1: a single. So anyway, this was awesome.
Speaker 7: Lad Runner finish tournament. Well, Lee, he was great blowing it.
Speaker 9: They better have a story for him come out of
Speaker 9: this thing. I know they have one with Lethal and
Speaker 9: maybe their story's intertwined together since they have one match together.
Speaker 9: But man, for the reaction that he gets for what
Speaker 9: he is and what he does and his age at
Speaker 9: this point, come on, damn it.
Speaker 7: Do something with Mark.
Speaker 1: Then we had Swerve and John Moxley in the main event,
Speaker 1: and to my I mean, I still can't believe I'm
Speaker 1: reporting this. There was no blood what Swerve and John
Speaker 1: Moxley had their first This was their first ever match,
Speaker 1: I believe. I don't think they've ever been in the
Speaker 1: ring together, and neither of them bled. It was a
Speaker 1: miracle and they had an awesome match. And they're going
Speaker 1: back and forth, big moves, places, going crazy, and finally
Speaker 1: Swerve goes for the JML driver. Moxley rolls through and
Speaker 1: pulls the tights. Not only pulls the tights, he pulls
Speaker 1: so hard that shoulder comes up the refidency. He can't
Speaker 1: spin anyway, So they be Swerve, But man, they did everything.
Speaker 1: They could to protect this guy. And so now I
Speaker 1: try to tell you guys, twelve points for John Moxley.
Speaker 1: My prediction remains, he goes undefeated and it is him
Speaker 1: at Eddie Kingston at World's End and Eddie beats him
Speaker 1: to become the first triple Crown champion. That is my prediction.
Speaker 1: And then the show ended with the Devil's Crew beating
Speaker 1: up the Hangman. I've choke slammed him onto the hood,
Speaker 1: actually on the glass, the real.
Speaker 3: Glass of a car.
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Speaker 2: You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
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