WEBVTT - Draft Show: April Approaches 0:00:02.880 --> 0:00:08.520 This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:12.400 war room for insider news and draft analysis from deep 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:16.280 within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star in Frisco. 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:26.720 Days and now your host, Kyle Yeomans. It is the 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:30.200 Draft Show for another day, a Thursday Draft Show, the 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:34.599 second draft show of the week. Once again, I am 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:37.440 honored to be sitting in this chair as the host 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:42.519 of the Draft Show. We've Kyle Yeomans on assignment Aisha Morrison. 0:00:42.680 --> 0:00:45.680 I hope she gets to feeling better. She was. I 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:48.479 talked to her this morning. She is having fomo about 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:53.080 being missing the Draft show. And Bobby Belt was on 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:56.560 assignment as well. So for the Draft Show today, you 0:00:56.680 --> 0:00:59.160 got a couple of guys from one oh five three 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:04.040 the Fan. Uh my guy, Zach Woolchuk is joining me 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:08.240 today to talk a little NFL draft. We're always happy 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:12.280 to have the opportunity to do this. Zach, how are 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:13.920 you doing this morning? You know me, I'm not very 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:15.880 good on the pleasantries of it all. Yeah. You like 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:17.760 to get right into it. I like to get right in. 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:19.959 It's like your phone calls. Yeah, anytime I have a 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:22.120 phone call with Brian, it's not Hello, how are you doing? 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:24.160 It's all right, get straight to the point. Get straight 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:25.600 to the point. What do you think about this guy? 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:28.119 Did you watch Tank Dell? What do you think about 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:31.560 b Jean Robinson? Where are we today? Are we on resignment? 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:34.520 Are we on remote? Yeah? Fill out your brackets? Ye 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:36.960 had all that, but yeah, no, you've got me down. 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:39.360 And this is though, this is the time of year. 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:42.360 We're getting close. We're getting closer. We're starting to have 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:47.119 the the Pro days wind down, We're having free agency 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:50.360 going on. I think the market is kind of slow 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:55.360 for some positions, you know that teams are looking at. 0:01:55.760 --> 0:01:59.240 But once we get done with these Pro Days, these 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:01.920 teams are going to go back into their war rooms 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:05.800 or the places where they evaluate players, and they're gonna 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:08.000 start setting their boards and they're not going to worry 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:10.880 so much about free agency anymore. So teams, I think, 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:14.120 are picking off guys as they can supplement their team, 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:18.959 and then they're gonna get full on setting boards. And Zach, 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:20.680 I want to get in at least in the first 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:23.080 segment with you today. And by the way, the Draft 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:25.520 Show is always is sponsored by Miller Lite, the only 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:28.360 beer of the Dallas Cowboys. It is Miller time. And 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:32.080 we are coming from the SWBC Mortgage studios too, which 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:35.480 we always think everybody that's involved with the show. But 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:39.519 what I want to get into right off the jump, 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:45.440 and I've been doing this drafting stuff since nineteen ninety two. Okay, 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:47.680 you know, I've had a media career, I had a 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:50.720 scouting career. Been very fortunate in my life to have 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:54.440 two different careers, but still involved with the scouting stuff 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:56.880 the way that I do. And now having you involved 0:02:56.960 --> 0:03:02.079 in Aisha and Bobby Belt and everybody in Kyle, everybody involved, 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:04.600 all the guys from the past that used to do this, 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:06.480 the Dame Burglars of the world and stuff like that. 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:12.440 This is the one draft where I'm struggling in a 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:16.800 way because of my background, and I'm struggling with my 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:20.920 background of what I learned as a scout when it 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:27.280 came to players that measurables don't fit my eye right. 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:31.919 And this is a draft, as Jim Nance would say, 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:37.520 like no other that the where they're there, they're these outliers. 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:43.320 There's an outlier at quarterback, there's an outlier at or, 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:48.080 there's outliers at wide receiver, there's an outlier at defensive tackle. 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:52.680 There's outliers at linebacker. There's an outlier that weighs one 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:55.840 hundred and sixty six pounds at corner. That's one of 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:58.280 the best that I've seen, one of the you know 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:03.720 when you start to talk about those guys. And this 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:09.520 is going to be the challenge for these scouting departments 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:15.920 going forward here sure, because not all these players are 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:19.719 going to be able to fit their eye and I 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:24.760 and I the thing that bothers me a lot, and 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:29.240 I learned this a long time ago, is when you 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:33.480 take an exception on a player, then the next thing 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:36.799 you know, you have a team full of exceptions. Okay, 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:40.280 and that's you know when you say, okay, I'm like 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:42.800 last night and the reason I'm bringing this up right, 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:46.800 I'm going through these names and about one hundred and 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:49.200 fifty names in. I gotta still got a ways to go. 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:51.880 I'm still got a ways to go, but I'm starting 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:57.880 to see these these outliers. I watched Tank Dell last night, okay, Houston, 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:02.800 Houston wide receiver, and I'm like thinking, this cat is 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:05.599 a hell of a football player. He really really is 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:10.840 the problem with Tank Dell is and I look at 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:15.719 it as you know, maybe my parameters of again, how 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:18.080 my eye and maybe how I'm trying to build my team. 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:21.719 Tank Dell is five eight, one hundred and sixty five pounds. Yeah, 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:25.000 tiny guy. Yeah, he's a tiny guy. But he's one 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:29.040 of the most explosive players in the draft. And but 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:33.800 you could say that about others, and I mean others 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:37.480 when I'm talking about receivers, Guys like Josh Downs from 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:40.680 North Carolina State or North North Carolina, not North Carolina State, 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:45.040 North Carolina. And Chris Beam, who does such a great 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:47.520 job if you're falling along, if you're watching us, he's 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:51.080 got clips of if you haven't seen Tank Dell, a man, 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:53.400 the Beamer has got Tank Dell highlights up. And he 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:56.000 was a touchdown machine he is. There were nine games 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:59.479 I think he had fourteen touchdowns where and you and 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:04.280 this is a big time returner as well, like you 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:07.960 punt him the ball, it's at your own peril with 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:12.400 him because he makes big time plays. Turpin esque. Okay, 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:15.520 that's where I want to go. Because if you're the 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:20.840 Dallas Cowboys and you're looking at these guys like Josh Downs, 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:28.080 North Carolina, Zay Flowers Boston College, I can't tell you 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:30.680 how many mock drafts that folks and listen, hey, I 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:34.280 appreciate you folks sending me the mock draft. Tank Dell 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:36.320 was a guy that was a lot of people were 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:39.640 putting on mock drafts for me. They're like, third round 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:42.960 brought us Tank Dell, and I'm like, okay, Tank Dell. Great. 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:46.160 You might have had Tank Dell too low in the 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:48.479 third round, but what would when you got him in 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:50.359 a second No, no, but that's what I But the 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:53.920 way he's playing, and what I want to ask you is, 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:59.440 as you're going through these guys, how are they fitting 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:04.440 your yeah? And what are teams going to be doing 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:09.520 in your opinion to put these guys in the right 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:14.560 spot in order? I mean, I can say you teams 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:16.160 have got to figure this out. And I'm doing a 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:19.000 lot of talking here. No, you're but, but teams are 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:23.040 gonna have to figure out these outliers. Then the number 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:25.600 one pick of the draft could be an outlier. Maybe 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:28.240 we should have seen this coming when when our guy, 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:31.760 our quarterback at Arizona, got drafted, right, Kyler Murray got drafted, 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:36.320 Because when I started scouting, there's no way then you 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:40.440 know what that a five nine quarterback was going to 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:45.160 be taken first over our guy from uh that's now 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:48.840 it's signing with Tampa Bay Baker Mayfield. Sure, same way 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:53.080 Kyler Murray Baker Mayfield. There There was no way with 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:55.360 Russell Wilson. Really he kind of layed the ground. That 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:57.880 was the third round guy. Sure, but then he had success, 0:07:57.880 --> 0:07:59.679 and I think other teams were kind of thinking, man, 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:02.800 maybe this can work. I talked to John Snyder about that, 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:07.360 about drafting him, and and He's like, I'm like, hey, congratulations, 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:11.000 you know on that? And John goes Man, we got lucky. 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:13.960 You know, we got lucky. Who was it? Matt Flynn? 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:16.000 Matt Flynn. They had given a big contract. That's what 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:18.800 I'm saying. I mean, I told John, I asked John Nico, 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:22.200 I go, hey, congratulations, he goes Man, you're talking to 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:24.840 the same idiot that gave Matt Flynn ten million dollars 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:28.400 lease he's us. So is it is it going to 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:34.199 be lucky with this or is this going to be 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:38.840 Teams are really gonna give this some thought? When it's 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:44.240 Tank Dell, Josh Downs, Zay Flowers, you know they where 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:47.439 where are you on all this? I so to me 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:50.800 and I think you know that. We had this conversation 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:53.560 back in the Antoine Winfield Junior Draft and you're like, man, 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:55.360 he's small, I don't know about him, and I'm thinking 0:08:55.520 --> 0:08:57.720 he's the best safety in the class. That's one that 0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:01.440 I got right, all right, So I'll hold onto that. Otherwise, 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:03.600 typically I'm very wrong when it comes to this stuff. 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:06.600 But if you can play, I want to find a 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:09.400 way to work, to make this work and to use you. Now, 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:11.720 I get what you're saying where you don't want to 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:14.160 have you know, you're starting fifty three and a half 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:16.959 of them are outliers where you're just putting a small, 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:19.320 you know, finesse kind of lineup out there on the 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:23.400 football field. You don't want that. But this draft class, 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:26.320 and we've talked about it, it's not the elite kind 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:29.920 of wide receiver. When you're looking at past the first round, 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:32.240 it doesn't go as deep as we've seen in the 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:34.520 last few years. I think you're gonna have to be 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:36.560 open minded and you're gonna have to look at a 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:38.960 guy like Zay Flowers, especially if you're the Cowboys at 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:41.360 twenty six. Like we talked about yesterday. Let's say all 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:43.960 the other receivers are gone. Yeah, and Zay's the best 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:47.000 guy on your board, you know, McCarthy. And there was 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:49.280 a great article on the Cowboys. Why aren't USA Today 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:52.080 written about this? His guy? And this dates back to 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:54.760 Green Bay. The type of wide receiver that he likes 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:58.040 is usually around six foot one, two hundred and four pounds. 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:01.000 How many guys and this year's draft clas fit that mold. 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:04.320 You only have a handful, right, you got Rashi Rice 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:08.560 at SMU, Jackson Smith and Jigma from Ohio State. Otherwise 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:10.719 he's gonna have to go ahead and go against the 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:14.800 grain when it comes to the size way profile that 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:18.400 he typically likes out wide receiver. But to me, if 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:21.800 a guy can play, I don't care. I'm gonna look 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:24.440 past the size because how many guys have we seen 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:27.800 come into the league and they end up being successful 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:32.080 even though maybe they didn't meet the ultimate Like Taco Charlton, 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:34.559 I feel like was a traits pick for the Cowboys 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:36.800 and that didn't work. They didn't want to take t J. 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:39.439 Watt right, we talked about the arm length and stuff 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:43.480 like that. They'll take off right. So for me, maybe 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:46.160 a tank Dell because he is so close to a 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:49.520 Cavante Turpin and they haven't really been able to make turn. 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:51.760 Haven't figured that out, have they? And I don't know 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:54.480 if that's a I don't know if that's a Kellen 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:58.160 Moore thing or that's a Mike McCarthy thing. Yeah, you know, 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:01.680 because you know, I felt like with you know, and 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:04.600 being on this platform, and you know, and us being 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:06.920 on one O five three the fan we talked about, 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:11.920 you know, post post bye week, look for them to 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:14.160 get Turpin more involved, look for them to come up 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:16.440 with more ideas never happens, look for them to be 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:19.320 more creative. So now all of a sudden, I'm looking 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:23.520 at all these outliers, and I'm wondering to the Cowboys, 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:27.520 even even remotely, look at these guys, They're going to 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:29.240 have to They're going to have to change the way 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:31.240 they think. Now they met with some of them, right, 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:34.000 And that was a Flowers and yeah, exactly, Yeah, there 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:36.120 were a couple of these, even like an A Chain 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:38.840 you know, from from Texas, A and L there that 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:40.640 was a guy I thought, look like the player a 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:43.080 lot really explosive. I thought, if they were to lose 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:46.040 Tony Pollard and they didn't franchise tag him for whatever reason. 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:48.360 That's a guy that has a similar skill set when 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:51.560 you look at the speed, the explosiveness, the ability to 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:54.360 score at any point on the field, has good hands, 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:56.880 He's a physical player. He's hard to bring down, but 0:11:56.960 --> 0:11:58.800 he's small. So I was thinking, I don't know if 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:00.360 the Cowboys are really going to be in did in 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:03.520 him because they do go ahead. It seems like they 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:06.200 kind of stacked their board based on their criteria for 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:09.160 certain positions. And as we talked about the arm length, 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:12.640 the size, the height, the way, but this draft class 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:15.679 outside a corner tight end as well, there's a ton 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:18.000 of out wires and the receiver positions probably the number 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:19.959 one that you look at and you're like, man, none 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:22.680 of these guys you're prototypical outside of like a Quintin Johnston, 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:25.920 none of them are your prototypical heightweight, speed profile that 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:28.720 you're accustomed to see that The thing that that it's 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:31.720 just kind of got me thrown for loop is you 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:35.480 know the quarterback at Alabama, you know he measures into 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:38.439 five ten, small, but he but he wins. I mean 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:41.480 you you, I can't tell you how many times I've 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:47.559 watched that two thirty game on CBS and seeing him 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:50.320 and what the Texas game last year where it's like 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:52.800 he's such a calm and we're talking about young the 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:57.520 Alabama quarterback. He's such a calm player, and I'm kind 0:12:57.559 --> 0:13:00.880 of thinking he's been in so many huge games and 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:04.480 it's just been so easy for him, and you kind 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:08.360 of get a little bit mesmerized watching him play. And 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:13.440 I get a little bit mesmerized watching flowers and downs. 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:16.480 You can include Scott from Cincinnati the wide receiver to 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:20.440 Parker Washington. Parker Washington, I could buried him to Steve Smith, 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:24.360 that that that shorter, bulkier kind of guy that kind 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:29.360 of was catching everything. But I don't know, And I 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:31.920 know a lot of people are talking about with Cancy 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:37.400 the defensive tackle from Pittsburgh, you know, and I there's 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:39.960 a side of me that believes that he might be 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:44.960 there at twenty six when you pick and do you you, 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:46.920 I mean you're kind of looking at me like Brian, 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:49.680 You're you're you're coming from Mars. No. I think that 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:51.960 you're right. I mean, I've seen he's a guy that 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:54.280 tested so well. It seems like he's just right. But 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:57.160 he's six foot but and to me, like the comp 0:13:57.280 --> 0:13:59.400 is Aaron Donald, right, because he's went to the same 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:03.360 same school and he's also small. Yeah, he's not Aaron Donald. No. 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:06.319 I think it's unfair to the players that I don't 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:08.960 see as many splash plays. I don't see him playing 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:12.679 in the opponent's backfield all afternoon like you saw Aaron Donald. 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:15.120 He is fun and he can kick out and give 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:16.880 you some rush on the edge too, if you wanted 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:18.760 to play him as an end sum you know, and 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:21.400 maybe kick a bigger body inside on a running down 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:24.600 or something like that. At defensive tackle. He's intriguing because 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:27.320 I think the Cowboys can always use help in the 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:30.440 middle of the defensive line, and they haven't necessarily hit 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:32.440 on some of these other guys like Nevill Gallimore. Right, 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:34.440 this is a big year for him. Can he step up? 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:38.360 And now Osadzu has been fantastic for them, But I wonder, 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:41.080 you know, for them, especially on the defensive line. We've 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:43.800 seen that might be an area where they're stubborn and 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:46.000 they're not going to take a guy because he's too small. Yeah, 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:48.080 but it receiver. I think this is going to be 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:51.240 a permanent change moving forward. Okay, So the way you 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:53.280 look at it and again, we try to be a 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:55.760 one stop shop when it comes to DRAP. But we'll 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:59.280 focus on the cowboys here at twenty six, of the 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:04.320 outly guys, of the outlier guys, and I'm gonna include 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:08.520 Forbes in that outlier guy. Bit okay at corner at 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:11.280 quarter because he's tall, but he's one hundred and sixty six, 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:13.880 super skinny guy. Yeah, okay, you've got no shot of 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:17.480 getting young. You're not in the quarterback. We'll eliminate that. Yeah, 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:19.400 we'll eliminate that one. Yeah. No, and they wouldn't. But 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:23.240 if the outlier guys, if they had to take an 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:27.960 outlier guy at twenty six, give me the outlier guy 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:30.320 that you would take at twenty six, I would definitely 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:33.200 take Emmanuel Forbes. The two that I would take at 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:36.880 twenty six are Emmanuel Forbes and Za Flowers. And I 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:39.760 love Forbes. To me when when you see a guy 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:42.960 that played in the SEC, that's big boy football. Yeah, 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:45.080 and he played against the last two years, he played 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:48.960 against some exceptional receivers and you don't see him even 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:51.720 though he's super skinny. It didn't see him get bullied 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:54.960 around a ton by receivers. And he's a guy that'll 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:57.680 throw his body in there. He'll play physical, and he 0:15:57.760 --> 0:16:00.360 does look skinny. I mean he's got that long, tall frame. 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:02.560 But I watched him and I was thinking, Man, I 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:04.520 think dan Quinn would fall in love with this guy 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:07.400 because everything else he fits the prototype. When you look 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:11.040 at the length, the height, the ability to disrupt receiver. 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:15.440 I think he's absolutely fantastic. He's my number two corner 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:18.360 in the entire draft, behind Joey Porter Junior. I had 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:22.240 him ahead of Christian Gonzalez now Gonzalez throughout the entire process, 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:24.600 and I've talked about this. Yeah, he's grown on me 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:27.120 a lot. Sure, you know, because you'll see that he's 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:29.320 so smooth. Oh, he's so smooth, and he's also a 0:16:29.320 --> 0:16:32.200 big boy. But Forbes, I would have no hesitation to me, 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:37.240 the tape outweighs the skinniness for him to where I'm 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:39.360 not scared about it, and I didn't see that being 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:41.960 leading into injuries, which I think would be probably the 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:44.560 biggest reason why you worry about that. One does he 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:46.720 get bullied by receivers? Two? Is he an injury prone 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:48.680 guy because of the lack of size and the answers 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:50.800 to me or no, So I'm okay with that. The 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:53.840 other z A. Flowers pound for pound, you could make 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:56.280 a case he's the best receiver in the class. Yeah, 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:58.720 I know you like Jackson Smith and jib I do 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:04.440 high estate and with Zay Flowers at Boston College. I just, man, 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:08.959 I hear what you're saying about Forbes. I absolutely and 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:12.200 I totally agree with you on that. I think if 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:14.240 I had to take an outlier guy, I would take. 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:18.040 Zay Flowers is who I would take. And I just 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:21.520 just looking at my notes. The first thing I said 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:25.160 is a really fun player to study, And I mean 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:29.560 it's he's just got rare quickness about him, and he 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:32.240 can make defenders look so silly in the open field. 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:34.800 He's going one hundred miles an hour, then he stops 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:38.080 on a dime, and he's got this keen sense of 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:41.879 how to play big and very small spots, and you 0:17:41.920 --> 0:17:44.560 know when he's like in tight quarters and stuff like that. 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:49.120 I would give me, give me if you're gonna give 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:54.480 me a five nine, one eighty two pound guy. Okay, 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:56.760 let me ask you this, would you put would you 0:17:56.800 --> 0:18:01.800 put Jalen Hyatt at six foot one seventy six in 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:05.040 that outwire group? Just because he's skinny, just because he's 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:07.800 really skinny. We did it with Forbes, we did. I 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:10.360 don't think I think I think High it's fine. Yeah, 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:12.560 I didn't notice like a ton of like Marvin Mims 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:14.479 might fall in the cant Marvin Mims. There you go. 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:16.240 But I don't think you're taking him at twenty No, 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:18.320 not at twenty six. But I would have no hesitation 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:20.840 on Hyatt. I think that Hyatt's no brainer to me. 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:23.600 High It's become my second, my number two receiver. Yeah. 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:27.560 I love Jalen Hyatt. He's a long strider, long legs tall. 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:31.240 You know, he looks longer what he measures when he looks. 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:33.720 He looks different on tape. He sure does. Yeah. But 0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:37.640 za Za plays big. That's the thing. Like you don't 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:41.080 see the size being an issue for him. There's balls 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:43.240 where it's like, man, he has no business going to 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:47.040 get that ball's his. He attacks the football in the air. 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:48.919 He will find a way to just go up there 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:51.879 and pluck it all oft for a five nine frame. 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:54.159 Sometimes he gets that thing to where he looks like 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:56.320 he's sixs one out there. You know, I thought he 0:18:56.359 --> 0:18:58.359 was kind of a cross. You mentioned Steve Smith earlier. 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:01.440 I think he's a smaller but more explosives to Fon 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:03.760 Diggs was kind of what I saw. Or you could 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:06.240 compare the Steve Smith because of the size. Well, I 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:09.399 just was thinking Steve Smith because of Washington, because the 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:12.000 body type. But he's shorter and he's like two. You know, 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:14.360 he's got a thick lower body. Thick lower body. Yeah, 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:16.879 I see exactly what you're saying there. But Zay Is 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:20.560 I mean to me, you know, maybe he'll wait for 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:24.120 the ball to come to him sometimes, but the balance, 0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:27.080 the body control, you know, he's got good hands. He 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:31.439 just goes and he goes, and he can play outside. 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:35.240 Like That's the thing I think for these teams, are 0:19:35.280 --> 0:19:37.879 they slot only players who've talked about that earlier or 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:40.479 can they play outside? People were worried about that with 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:43.320 Marvin Mims. I watched him. I think Marvin's fine play both. 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:45.440 I think he's fine and and the reason is is 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:47.800 because of his foot quickness off the line. I think 0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:49.719 that he's got a really good ability to just go 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:52.359 get off without him being touched, right, so even if 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:54.960 he's playing against a press corner, I think his quickness 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:56.960 and his shiftingness off the line and dells that way. 0:19:57.119 --> 0:19:59.640 Used to watch him play. I mean the moves off 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:01.399 those thing. I think he'll be okay. Yeah, I think 0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:03.400 he'll be fun. And I feel the same way about Zay. 0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:06.000 I mean he moved all around the formation at BC. 0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:09.399 I think that's dude. I wouldn't hesitate to pick. Well, 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:13.280 this is this is going to be an interesting draft 0:20:13.440 --> 0:20:18.240 for a lot of teams of where they slot these 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:21.439 outliers and where you know and you'll you'll get And 0:20:21.560 --> 0:20:25.520 there's some teams that coaching staffs will figure out ways 0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:29.160 to use these guys and they'll have really nice careers. 0:20:29.359 --> 0:20:31.359 Let me throw this one at you. The one that 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:35.280 I might not take is Josh Downs. Okay, Downs is 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:36.600 the one that I don't think is quite in the 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:39.240 in the same category as these guys. I think Josh 0:20:39.280 --> 0:20:42.919 Downs is kind of a slot only, specialty type of player, 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:45.240 playmaker that you can have fun with. He was a 0:20:45.240 --> 0:20:47.480 fun player to watch. I don't know that he's a 0:20:47.480 --> 0:20:50.000 guy that could win on the outside. Yeah, he's a 0:20:50.000 --> 0:20:52.040 guy you see a lot of plays down the field. 0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:54.399 Yeah with him, I mean it's about the separation and 0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:57.879 him and that's North Carolina. Josh Downs. North Carolina, North Carolina. Yeah, 0:20:57.880 --> 0:21:00.360 they good route runner, good route runner, and and good 0:21:00.440 --> 0:21:02.919 quarterback thrown to the ball by the way. Sure may is, 0:21:03.160 --> 0:21:05.399 but to me he was definitely best out of the slot. 0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:07.760 He might be a slot only kind of guy. Well, 0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:10.120 the Cowboys and other teams around the league as they 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:13.240 get to the end, we're working through these pro days, 0:21:13.840 --> 0:21:15.880 and once the pro days over, these teams are gonna 0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:19.000 start building their boards. And once they start building their boards, 0:21:19.000 --> 0:21:24.560 we'll probably hear some whispers about where these outliers stack 0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:27.359 on some boards. Okay, we're gonna take our first break 0:21:27.359 --> 0:21:28.960 of the day. When we come back, we're gonna do 0:21:29.000 --> 0:21:30.920 a little Twitter. On the twenty you're listening to the 0:21:31.040 --> 0:21:34.080