Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your
Speaker 1: war room for insider news and draft analysis from deep
Speaker 1: within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star in Frisco.
Speaker 1: Days and now your host, Kyle Yeomans. It is the
Speaker 1: Draft Show for another day, a Thursday Draft Show, the
Speaker 1: second draft show of the week. Once again, I am
Speaker 1: honored to be sitting in this chair as the host
Speaker 1: of the Draft Show. We've Kyle Yeomans on assignment Aisha Morrison.
Speaker 1: I hope she gets to feeling better. She was. I
Speaker 1: talked to her this morning. She is having fomo about
Speaker 1: being missing the Draft show. And Bobby Belt was on
Speaker 1: assignment as well. So for the Draft Show today, you
Speaker 1: got a couple of guys from one oh five three
Speaker 1: the Fan. Uh my guy, Zach Woolchuk is joining me
Speaker 1: today to talk a little NFL draft. We're always happy
Speaker 1: to have the opportunity to do this. Zach, how are
Speaker 1: you doing this morning? You know me, I'm not very
Speaker 1: good on the pleasantries of it all. Yeah. You like
Speaker 1: to get right into it. I like to get right in.
Speaker 1: It's like your phone calls. Yeah, anytime I have a
Speaker 1: phone call with Brian, it's not Hello, how are you doing?
Speaker 1: It's all right, get straight to the point. Get straight
Speaker 1: to the point. What do you think about this guy?
Speaker 1: Did you watch Tank Dell? What do you think about
Speaker 1: b Jean Robinson? Where are we today? Are we on resignment?
Speaker 1: Are we on remote? Yeah? Fill out your brackets? Ye
Speaker 1: had all that, but yeah, no, you've got me down.
Speaker 1: And this is though, this is the time of year.
Speaker 1: We're getting close. We're getting closer. We're starting to have
Speaker 1: the the Pro days wind down, We're having free agency
Speaker 1: going on. I think the market is kind of slow
Speaker 1: for some positions, you know that teams are looking at.
Speaker 1: But once we get done with these Pro Days, these
Speaker 1: teams are going to go back into their war rooms
Speaker 1: or the places where they evaluate players, and they're gonna
Speaker 1: start setting their boards and they're not going to worry
Speaker 1: so much about free agency anymore. So teams, I think,
Speaker 1: are picking off guys as they can supplement their team,
Speaker 1: and then they're gonna get full on setting boards. And Zach,
Speaker 1: I want to get in at least in the first
Speaker 1: segment with you today. And by the way, the Draft
Speaker 1: Show is always is sponsored by Miller Lite, the only
Speaker 1: beer of the Dallas Cowboys. It is Miller time. And
Speaker 1: we are coming from the SWBC Mortgage studios too, which
Speaker 1: we always think everybody that's involved with the show. But
Speaker 1: what I want to get into right off the jump,
Speaker 1: and I've been doing this drafting stuff since nineteen ninety two. Okay,
Speaker 1: you know, I've had a media career, I had a
Speaker 1: scouting career. Been very fortunate in my life to have
Speaker 1: two different careers, but still involved with the scouting stuff
Speaker 1: the way that I do. And now having you involved
Speaker 1: in Aisha and Bobby Belt and everybody in Kyle, everybody involved,
Speaker 1: all the guys from the past that used to do this,
Speaker 1: the Dame Burglars of the world and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: This is the one draft where I'm struggling in a
Speaker 1: way because of my background, and I'm struggling with my
Speaker 1: background of what I learned as a scout when it
Speaker 1: came to players that measurables don't fit my eye right.
Speaker 1: And this is a draft, as Jim Nance would say,
Speaker 1: like no other that the where they're there, they're these outliers.
Speaker 1: There's an outlier at quarterback, there's an outlier at or,
Speaker 1: there's outliers at wide receiver, there's an outlier at defensive tackle.
Speaker 1: There's outliers at linebacker. There's an outlier that weighs one
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty six pounds at corner. That's one of
Speaker 1: the best that I've seen, one of the you know
Speaker 1: when you start to talk about those guys. And this
Speaker 1: is going to be the challenge for these scouting departments
Speaker 1: going forward here sure, because not all these players are
Speaker 1: going to be able to fit their eye and I
Speaker 1: and I the thing that bothers me a lot, and
Speaker 1: I learned this a long time ago, is when you
Speaker 1: take an exception on a player, then the next thing
Speaker 1: you know, you have a team full of exceptions. Okay,
Speaker 1: and that's you know when you say, okay, I'm like
Speaker 1: last night and the reason I'm bringing this up right,
Speaker 1: I'm going through these names and about one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty names in. I gotta still got a ways to go.
Speaker 1: I'm still got a ways to go, but I'm starting
Speaker 1: to see these these outliers. I watched Tank Dell last night, okay, Houston,
Speaker 1: Houston wide receiver, and I'm like thinking, this cat is
Speaker 1: a hell of a football player. He really really is
Speaker 1: the problem with Tank Dell is and I look at
Speaker 1: it as you know, maybe my parameters of again, how
Speaker 1: my eye and maybe how I'm trying to build my team.
Speaker 1: Tank Dell is five eight, one hundred and sixty five pounds. Yeah,
Speaker 1: tiny guy. Yeah, he's a tiny guy. But he's one
Speaker 1: of the most explosive players in the draft. And but
Speaker 1: you could say that about others, and I mean others
Speaker 1: when I'm talking about receivers, Guys like Josh Downs from
Speaker 1: North Carolina State or North North Carolina, not North Carolina State,
Speaker 1: North Carolina. And Chris Beam, who does such a great
Speaker 1: job if you're falling along, if you're watching us, he's
Speaker 1: got clips of if you haven't seen Tank Dell, a man,
Speaker 1: the Beamer has got Tank Dell highlights up. And he
Speaker 1: was a touchdown machine he is. There were nine games
Speaker 1: I think he had fourteen touchdowns where and you and
Speaker 1: this is a big time returner as well, like you
Speaker 1: punt him the ball, it's at your own peril with
Speaker 1: him because he makes big time plays. Turpin esque. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's where I want to go. Because if you're the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys and you're looking at these guys like Josh Downs,
Speaker 1: North Carolina, Zay Flowers Boston College, I can't tell you
Speaker 1: how many mock drafts that folks and listen, hey, I
Speaker 1: appreciate you folks sending me the mock draft. Tank Dell
Speaker 1: was a guy that was a lot of people were
Speaker 1: putting on mock drafts for me. They're like, third round
Speaker 1: brought us Tank Dell, and I'm like, okay, Tank Dell. Great.
Speaker 1: You might have had Tank Dell too low in the
Speaker 1: third round, but what would when you got him in
Speaker 1: a second No, no, but that's what I But the
Speaker 1: way he's playing, and what I want to ask you is,
Speaker 1: as you're going through these guys, how are they fitting
Speaker 1: your yeah? And what are teams going to be doing
Speaker 1: in your opinion to put these guys in the right
Speaker 1: spot in order? I mean, I can say you teams
Speaker 1: have got to figure this out. And I'm doing a
Speaker 1: lot of talking here. No, you're but, but teams are
Speaker 1: gonna have to figure out these outliers. Then the number
Speaker 1: one pick of the draft could be an outlier. Maybe
Speaker 1: we should have seen this coming when when our guy,
Speaker 1: our quarterback at Arizona, got drafted, right, Kyler Murray got drafted,
Speaker 1: Because when I started scouting, there's no way then you
Speaker 1: know what that a five nine quarterback was going to
Speaker 1: be taken first over our guy from uh that's now
Speaker 1: it's signing with Tampa Bay Baker Mayfield. Sure, same way
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray Baker Mayfield. There There was no way with
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. Really he kind of layed the ground. That
Speaker 1: was the third round guy. Sure, but then he had success,
Speaker 1: and I think other teams were kind of thinking, man,
Speaker 1: maybe this can work. I talked to John Snyder about that,
Speaker 1: about drafting him, and and He's like, I'm like, hey, congratulations,
Speaker 1: you know on that? And John goes Man, we got lucky.
Speaker 1: You know, we got lucky. Who was it? Matt Flynn?
Speaker 1: Matt Flynn. They had given a big contract. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I mean, I told John, I asked John Nico,
Speaker 1: I go, hey, congratulations, he goes Man, you're talking to
Speaker 1: the same idiot that gave Matt Flynn ten million dollars
Speaker 1: lease he's us. So is it is it going to
Speaker 1: be lucky with this or is this going to be
Speaker 1: Teams are really gonna give this some thought? When it's
Speaker 1: Tank Dell, Josh Downs, Zay Flowers, you know they where
Speaker 1: where are you on all this? I so to me
Speaker 1: and I think you know that. We had this conversation
Speaker 1: back in the Antoine Winfield Junior Draft and you're like, man,
Speaker 1: he's small, I don't know about him, and I'm thinking
Speaker 1: he's the best safety in the class. That's one that
Speaker 1: I got right, all right, So I'll hold onto that. Otherwise,
Speaker 1: typically I'm very wrong when it comes to this stuff.
Speaker 1: But if you can play, I want to find a
Speaker 1: way to work, to make this work and to use you. Now,
Speaker 1: I get what you're saying where you don't want to
Speaker 1: have you know, you're starting fifty three and a half
Speaker 1: of them are outliers where you're just putting a small,
Speaker 1: you know, finesse kind of lineup out there on the
Speaker 1: football field. You don't want that. But this draft class,
Speaker 1: and we've talked about it, it's not the elite kind
Speaker 1: of wide receiver. When you're looking at past the first round,
Speaker 1: it doesn't go as deep as we've seen in the
Speaker 1: last few years. I think you're gonna have to be
Speaker 1: open minded and you're gonna have to look at a
Speaker 1: guy like Zay Flowers, especially if you're the Cowboys at
Speaker 1: twenty six. Like we talked about yesterday. Let's say all
Speaker 1: the other receivers are gone. Yeah, and Zay's the best
Speaker 1: guy on your board, you know, McCarthy. And there was
Speaker 1: a great article on the Cowboys. Why aren't USA Today
Speaker 1: written about this? His guy? And this dates back to
Speaker 1: Green Bay. The type of wide receiver that he likes
Speaker 1: is usually around six foot one, two hundred and four pounds.
Speaker 1: How many guys and this year's draft clas fit that mold.
Speaker 1: You only have a handful, right, you got Rashi Rice
Speaker 1: at SMU, Jackson Smith and Jigma from Ohio State. Otherwise
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to go ahead and go against the
Speaker 1: grain when it comes to the size way profile that
Speaker 1: he typically likes out wide receiver. But to me, if
Speaker 1: a guy can play, I don't care. I'm gonna look
Speaker 1: past the size because how many guys have we seen
Speaker 1: come into the league and they end up being successful
Speaker 1: even though maybe they didn't meet the ultimate Like Taco Charlton,
Speaker 1: I feel like was a traits pick for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: and that didn't work. They didn't want to take t J.
Speaker 1: Watt right, we talked about the arm length and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. They'll take off right. So for me, maybe
Speaker 1: a tank Dell because he is so close to a
Speaker 1: Cavante Turpin and they haven't really been able to make turn.
Speaker 1: Haven't figured that out, have they? And I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's a I don't know if that's a Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore thing or that's a Mike McCarthy thing. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: because you know, I felt like with you know, and
Speaker 1: being on this platform, and you know, and us being
Speaker 1: on one O five three the fan we talked about,
Speaker 1: you know, post post bye week, look for them to
Speaker 1: get Turpin more involved, look for them to come up
Speaker 1: with more ideas never happens, look for them to be
Speaker 1: more creative. So now all of a sudden, I'm looking
Speaker 1: at all these outliers, and I'm wondering to the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: even even remotely, look at these guys, They're going to
Speaker 1: have to They're going to have to change the way
Speaker 1: they think. Now they met with some of them, right,
Speaker 1: And that was a Flowers and yeah, exactly, Yeah, there
Speaker 1: were a couple of these, even like an A Chain
Speaker 1: you know, from from Texas, A and L there that
Speaker 1: was a guy I thought, look like the player a
Speaker 1: lot really explosive. I thought, if they were to lose
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard and they didn't franchise tag him for whatever reason.
Speaker 1: That's a guy that has a similar skill set when
Speaker 1: you look at the speed, the explosiveness, the ability to
Speaker 1: score at any point on the field, has good hands,
Speaker 1: He's a physical player. He's hard to bring down, but
Speaker 1: he's small. So I was thinking, I don't know if
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are really going to be in did in
Speaker 1: him because they do go ahead. It seems like they
Speaker 1: kind of stacked their board based on their criteria for
Speaker 1: certain positions. And as we talked about the arm length,
Speaker 1: the size, the height, the way, but this draft class
Speaker 1: outside a corner tight end as well, there's a ton
Speaker 1: of out wires and the receiver positions probably the number
Speaker 1: one that you look at and you're like, man, none
Speaker 1: of these guys you're prototypical outside of like a Quintin Johnston,
Speaker 1: none of them are your prototypical heightweight, speed profile that
Speaker 1: you're accustomed to see that The thing that that it's
Speaker 1: just kind of got me thrown for loop is you
Speaker 1: know the quarterback at Alabama, you know he measures into
Speaker 1: five ten, small, but he but he wins. I mean
Speaker 1: you you, I can't tell you how many times I've
Speaker 1: watched that two thirty game on CBS and seeing him
Speaker 1: and what the Texas game last year where it's like
Speaker 1: he's such a calm and we're talking about young the
Speaker 1: Alabama quarterback. He's such a calm player, and I'm kind
Speaker 1: of thinking he's been in so many huge games and
Speaker 1: it's just been so easy for him, and you kind
Speaker 1: of get a little bit mesmerized watching him play. And
Speaker 1: I get a little bit mesmerized watching flowers and downs.
Speaker 1: You can include Scott from Cincinnati the wide receiver to
Speaker 1: Parker Washington. Parker Washington, I could buried him to Steve Smith,
Speaker 1: that that that shorter, bulkier kind of guy that kind
Speaker 1: of was catching everything. But I don't know, And I
Speaker 1: know a lot of people are talking about with Cancy
Speaker 1: the defensive tackle from Pittsburgh, you know, and I there's
Speaker 1: a side of me that believes that he might be
Speaker 1: there at twenty six when you pick and do you you,
Speaker 1: I mean you're kind of looking at me like Brian,
Speaker 1: You're you're you're coming from Mars. No. I think that
Speaker 1: you're right. I mean, I've seen he's a guy that
Speaker 1: tested so well. It seems like he's just right. But
Speaker 1: he's six foot but and to me, like the comp
Speaker 1: is Aaron Donald, right, because he's went to the same
Speaker 1: same school and he's also small. Yeah, he's not Aaron Donald. No.
Speaker 1: I think it's unfair to the players that I don't
Speaker 1: see as many splash plays. I don't see him playing
Speaker 1: in the opponent's backfield all afternoon like you saw Aaron Donald.
Speaker 1: He is fun and he can kick out and give
Speaker 1: you some rush on the edge too, if you wanted
Speaker 1: to play him as an end sum you know, and
Speaker 1: maybe kick a bigger body inside on a running down
Speaker 1: or something like that. At defensive tackle. He's intriguing because
Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys can always use help in the
Speaker 1: middle of the defensive line, and they haven't necessarily hit
Speaker 1: on some of these other guys like Nevill Gallimore. Right,
Speaker 1: this is a big year for him. Can he step up?
Speaker 1: And now Osadzu has been fantastic for them, But I wonder,
Speaker 1: you know, for them, especially on the defensive line. We've
Speaker 1: seen that might be an area where they're stubborn and
Speaker 1: they're not going to take a guy because he's too small. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it receiver. I think this is going to be
Speaker 1: a permanent change moving forward. Okay, So the way you
Speaker 1: look at it and again, we try to be a
Speaker 1: one stop shop when it comes to DRAP. But we'll
Speaker 1: focus on the cowboys here at twenty six, of the
Speaker 1: outly guys, of the outlier guys, and I'm gonna include
Speaker 1: Forbes in that outlier guy. Bit okay at corner at
Speaker 1: quarter because he's tall, but he's one hundred and sixty six,
Speaker 1: super skinny guy. Yeah, okay, you've got no shot of
Speaker 1: getting young. You're not in the quarterback. We'll eliminate that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll eliminate that one. Yeah. No, and they wouldn't. But
Speaker 1: if the outlier guys, if they had to take an
Speaker 1: outlier guy at twenty six, give me the outlier guy
Speaker 1: that you would take at twenty six, I would definitely
Speaker 1: take Emmanuel Forbes. The two that I would take at
Speaker 1: twenty six are Emmanuel Forbes and Za Flowers. And I
Speaker 1: love Forbes. To me when when you see a guy
Speaker 1: that played in the SEC, that's big boy football. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he played against the last two years, he played
Speaker 1: against some exceptional receivers and you don't see him even
Speaker 1: though he's super skinny. It didn't see him get bullied
Speaker 1: around a ton by receivers. And he's a guy that'll
Speaker 1: throw his body in there. He'll play physical, and he
Speaker 1: does look skinny. I mean he's got that long, tall frame.
Speaker 1: But I watched him and I was thinking, Man, I
Speaker 1: think dan Quinn would fall in love with this guy
Speaker 1: because everything else he fits the prototype. When you look
Speaker 1: at the length, the height, the ability to disrupt receiver.
Speaker 1: I think he's absolutely fantastic. He's my number two corner
Speaker 1: in the entire draft, behind Joey Porter Junior. I had
Speaker 1: him ahead of Christian Gonzalez now Gonzalez throughout the entire process,
Speaker 1: and I've talked about this. Yeah, he's grown on me
Speaker 1: a lot. Sure, you know, because you'll see that he's
Speaker 1: so smooth. Oh, he's so smooth, and he's also a
Speaker 1: big boy. But Forbes, I would have no hesitation to me,
Speaker 1: the tape outweighs the skinniness for him to where I'm
Speaker 1: not scared about it, and I didn't see that being
Speaker 1: leading into injuries, which I think would be probably the
Speaker 1: biggest reason why you worry about that. One does he
Speaker 1: get bullied by receivers? Two? Is he an injury prone
Speaker 1: guy because of the lack of size and the answers
Speaker 1: to me or no, So I'm okay with that. The
Speaker 1: other z A. Flowers pound for pound, you could make
Speaker 1: a case he's the best receiver in the class. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know you like Jackson Smith and jib I do
Speaker 1: high estate and with Zay Flowers at Boston College. I just, man,
Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying about Forbes. I absolutely and
Speaker 1: I totally agree with you on that. I think if
Speaker 1: I had to take an outlier guy, I would take.
Speaker 1: Zay Flowers is who I would take. And I just
Speaker 1: just looking at my notes. The first thing I said
Speaker 1: is a really fun player to study, And I mean
Speaker 1: it's he's just got rare quickness about him, and he
Speaker 1: can make defenders look so silly in the open field.
Speaker 1: He's going one hundred miles an hour, then he stops
Speaker 1: on a dime, and he's got this keen sense of
Speaker 1: how to play big and very small spots, and you
Speaker 1: know when he's like in tight quarters and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I would give me, give me if you're gonna give
Speaker 1: me a five nine, one eighty two pound guy. Okay,
Speaker 1: let me ask you this, would you put would you
Speaker 1: put Jalen Hyatt at six foot one seventy six in
Speaker 1: that outwire group? Just because he's skinny, just because he's
Speaker 1: really skinny. We did it with Forbes, we did. I
Speaker 1: don't think I think I think High it's fine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't notice like a ton of like Marvin Mims
Speaker 1: might fall in the cant Marvin Mims. There you go.
Speaker 1: But I don't think you're taking him at twenty No,
Speaker 1: not at twenty six. But I would have no hesitation
Speaker 1: on Hyatt. I think that Hyatt's no brainer to me.
Speaker 1: High It's become my second, my number two receiver. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love Jalen Hyatt. He's a long strider, long legs tall.
Speaker 1: You know, he looks longer what he measures when he looks.
Speaker 1: He looks different on tape. He sure does. Yeah. But
Speaker 1: za Za plays big. That's the thing. Like you don't
Speaker 1: see the size being an issue for him. There's balls
Speaker 1: where it's like, man, he has no business going to
Speaker 1: get that ball's his. He attacks the football in the air.
Speaker 1: He will find a way to just go up there
Speaker 1: and pluck it all oft for a five nine frame.
Speaker 1: Sometimes he gets that thing to where he looks like
Speaker 1: he's sixs one out there. You know, I thought he
Speaker 1: was kind of a cross. You mentioned Steve Smith earlier.
Speaker 1: I think he's a smaller but more explosives to Fon
Speaker 1: Diggs was kind of what I saw. Or you could
Speaker 1: compare the Steve Smith because of the size. Well, I
Speaker 1: just was thinking Steve Smith because of Washington, because the
Speaker 1: body type. But he's shorter and he's like two. You know,
Speaker 1: he's got a thick lower body. Thick lower body. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I see exactly what you're saying there. But Zay Is
Speaker 1: I mean to me, you know, maybe he'll wait for
Speaker 1: the ball to come to him sometimes, but the balance,
Speaker 1: the body control, you know, he's got good hands. He
Speaker 1: just goes and he goes, and he can play outside.
Speaker 1: Like That's the thing I think for these teams, are
Speaker 1: they slot only players who've talked about that earlier or
Speaker 1: can they play outside? People were worried about that with
Speaker 1: Marvin Mims. I watched him. I think Marvin's fine play both.
Speaker 1: I think he's fine and and the reason is is
Speaker 1: because of his foot quickness off the line. I think
Speaker 1: that he's got a really good ability to just go
Speaker 1: get off without him being touched, right, so even if
Speaker 1: he's playing against a press corner, I think his quickness
Speaker 1: and his shiftingness off the line and dells that way.
Speaker 1: Used to watch him play. I mean the moves off
Speaker 1: those thing. I think he'll be okay. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: he'll be fun. And I feel the same way about Zay.
Speaker 1: I mean he moved all around the formation at BC.
Speaker 1: I think that's dude. I wouldn't hesitate to pick. Well,
Speaker 1: this is this is going to be an interesting draft
Speaker 1: for a lot of teams of where they slot these
Speaker 1: outliers and where you know and you'll you'll get And
Speaker 1: there's some teams that coaching staffs will figure out ways
Speaker 1: to use these guys and they'll have really nice careers.
Speaker 1: Let me throw this one at you. The one that
Speaker 1: I might not take is Josh Downs. Okay, Downs is
Speaker 1: the one that I don't think is quite in the
Speaker 1: in the same category as these guys. I think Josh
Speaker 1: Downs is kind of a slot only, specialty type of player,
Speaker 1: playmaker that you can have fun with. He was a
Speaker 1: fun player to watch. I don't know that he's a
Speaker 1: guy that could win on the outside. Yeah, he's a
Speaker 1: guy you see a lot of plays down the field.
Speaker 1: Yeah with him, I mean it's about the separation and
Speaker 1: him and that's North Carolina. Josh Downs. North Carolina, North Carolina. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they good route runner, good route runner, and and good
Speaker 1: quarterback thrown to the ball by the way. Sure may is,
Speaker 1: but to me he was definitely best out of the slot.
Speaker 1: He might be a slot only kind of guy. Well,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys and other teams around the league as they
Speaker 1: get to the end, we're working through these pro days,
Speaker 1: and once the pro days over, these teams are gonna
Speaker 1: start building their boards. And once they start building their boards,
Speaker 1: we'll probably hear some whispers about where these outliers stack
Speaker 1: on some boards. Okay, we're gonna take our first break
Speaker 1: of the day. When we come back, we're gonna do
Speaker 1: a little Twitter. On the twenty you're listening to the
Speaker 1: Draft Show presented by Miller Lite. The only beer of
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys were right back. Hey Cowboys fans, if
Speaker 1: you're looking for a full time or part time job,
Speaker 1: check out Liberty Tax, proud partner of the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: If you've got tax experience and want to help your
Speaker 1: community with their finances, you're the perfect candidate. No tax experience.
Speaker 1: We also offer in person tax school courses locally. Liberty
Speaker 1: Tax has seventy nine locations across DFW and two thou
Speaker 1: three hundred offices nationwide. Learn more about our job opportunities
Speaker 1: at Liberty tax dot com, slash hiring, or call your
Speaker 1: local Liberty Tax office today. Craving something flavorful, replace that
Speaker 1: bloated burrito feeling with Smoothie King's new power Meal smoothies.
Speaker 1: With three delicious flavors like cinnamon, banana, blueberry, raspberry, and
Speaker 1: spinach pineapple. You can fill up on flavor, not calories.
Speaker 1: Each meal replacement smoothie is packed with twenty grams of protein,
Speaker 1: seven grams of fiber, and twenty three vitamins and minerals,
Speaker 1: all under three hundred fifty calories with zero grams of
Speaker 1: added sugar. So next time you want something flavorful, swap
Speaker 1: fast food for I'm power Meal Smoothie. Order today on
Speaker 1: the Smoothie King app. Smoothie King the official smoothie of
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys. I'm Darren Wood's former Dallas Cowboy player
Speaker 1: and Super Bowl champion. When I played in the NFL
Speaker 1: at a high level, I relied on my vision to
Speaker 1: see the field. As I started getting older, I noticed
Speaker 1: my vision wasn't as good and I was getting frustrated
Speaker 1: for wearing my glasses all day. I went to Laser
Speaker 1: Cure Eye Center and Doctor G talked about all the options.
Speaker 1: Thanks to technology and Laser Cure Eye Center, I can
Speaker 1: see near far in between. Don't fumble your vision any long.
Speaker 1: Visit them at dfwis dot com and tell them Darren
Speaker 1: sent you. They got me back on my game. What
Speaker 1: do you call a group of grown men and women
Speaker 1: with their faces painted silver and blue who get together
Speaker 1: every week to share a three hour long ritual of jumping, sinking,
Speaker 1: and toasting Miller light and Tim Gallan hats while yelling
Speaker 1: how about them cowboys? You call it Miller Time in Dallas.
Speaker 1: Here's to the Cowboys, Here's to the original light Beer.
Speaker 1: It's Miller Time Celebrate Responsibily twenty twenty one, Miller Brewing
Speaker 1: Company for Ort Texas. This is the Dallas Cowboys dot
Speaker 1: Com Draft Show. All right, it's the Draft Show again,
Speaker 1: brought you by Miller lighte Zach Walchuck Bryan, brought us
Speaker 1: Chris Beam helping you out as we get you ready
Speaker 1: for this, uh, this upcoming draft. Just want to remind
Speaker 1: you here that Cowboy pro shops braiding UH Women's History
Speaker 1: Month with the Dallas Cowboys women led brands, head to
Speaker 1: the nearest pro shop or log onto shop dot Cowboys
Speaker 1: dot com. Well, okay, that's fine, that's always funny to
Speaker 1: read log onto shop dot Dallas Cowboys dot com. A
Speaker 1: fanatics experience and shop from amazing brands like where by
Speaker 1: Aaron Andrews. Our buddy like Aaron Andrews. She's a good gal.
Speaker 1: Uh bubble bar Is that right? Did I say that? When? Right? There?
Speaker 1: Beamer bubble Bar is a brand, and the and the
Speaker 1: Wild Collective and more so. Yeah, b A U B
Speaker 1: L E. Barr bubble Bar, bubble bar, bubble Bar. I'm
Speaker 1: sure that they've got some fine stuff going on there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, make sure we're celebrating women's History months with
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys. Okay, let's do one of my favorite
Speaker 1: segments that we do. I want to thank all the guys,
Speaker 1: the ed K Hills and everybody here who helped us
Speaker 1: start this. It is a little Twitter on the twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. All right, here we go with some little
Speaker 1: bit of some Twitter on the twenty. I usually have
Speaker 1: these questions ready to go, and I did have a question.
Speaker 1: I did have a question about one of the centers
Speaker 1: came up and this is from Tim Webb. Tim Tim Webb.
Speaker 1: Tim Webb asked this. He said, Uh, thoughts on Joe
Speaker 1: tip Tipman from Wisconsin? Could he start a guard and
Speaker 1: move the center if Tyler leaves next season? What do
Speaker 1: you think about Joe Tipman? So Wisconsin Tipman, it has
Speaker 1: the size to do that. But I saw him get
Speaker 1: stood up at the line against bigger defensive tackles and typically,
Speaker 1: you know Wisconsin, you love you love their lineman, right,
Speaker 1: They've just got a history of producing good lineman. I
Speaker 1: didn't see him get a lot of movement, but he is.
Speaker 1: He's a competitive son of a gun, that guy. He's
Speaker 1: always working good run blocker, doesn't lose ground, but and
Speaker 1: always getting that knockback that you want. Sure as an
Speaker 1: offensive lineman he can get to the second level. I
Speaker 1: thought he worked the combo blocks well with the guard
Speaker 1: next to him. Seemed like a smart football player. Can
Speaker 1: get around and pull, but he's not super quick, so
Speaker 1: you don't want him to have to go to That's
Speaker 1: the one thing for me. If he kicked him outside
Speaker 1: to guard, does he have the athleticism to be able
Speaker 1: to pull and get out in space? If you wanted
Speaker 1: to kick him over, and he's a guy. To me.
Speaker 1: In my notes, I put he does end up on
Speaker 1: the ground quite a bit and that annoyed me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think the thing with him, he's a tall guy.
Speaker 1: He's six six, he's three thirteen, and so maybe you
Speaker 1: worry about that a little bit at guard with the
Speaker 1: knee bind and stuff like that. I think this guy
Speaker 1: plays a little tall. And yeah, there are times when
Speaker 1: this guy gets a little ragdald and I mean ragdal
Speaker 1: like defenders grab him, yeah, and they shake him right,
Speaker 1: and you talk about him being on the ground, but
Speaker 1: I mean there's that he's just not gonna draw his
Speaker 1: guy off the ball. I mean, he could be a
Speaker 1: good blocker when he has the angle or the down
Speaker 1: blocks or things like that, he'll shield this guy from
Speaker 1: the ball. But his and I think you hit the
Speaker 1: nail on the head. His balance tends to come and
Speaker 1: go as a blocker, and I don't know if that
Speaker 1: is so when he plays with his bass, yeah, and
Speaker 1: he's able to get set, he's good and he's able
Speaker 1: to show his power off. But otherwise you're right, like
Speaker 1: he'll get twisted around while blocking and he calls him
Speaker 1: to lose his footing. Yeah, he'll have a little trouble
Speaker 1: to him. The second level. He could be just a
Speaker 1: step late, and sometimes that's because his balance gets askew
Speaker 1: and then he's trying to fight and then you see
Speaker 1: the linebacker clear on him and stuff like that. So anyway,
Speaker 1: but thank you for that question. It was a good question.
Speaker 1: All right. Jay wants to know and he's saying, tell
Speaker 1: people why you would draft Gibbs or Bijean Robinson. The
Speaker 1: first people seem to think you can get the same
Speaker 1: exact player in later rounds and he put a l
Speaker 1: ol on that. Yeah, are those I mean, those are
Speaker 1: the two top backs that I have. Those are the
Speaker 1: top two. And then there's a there's a gap from me, Okay,
Speaker 1: give me, give me your best. Do you have a
Speaker 1: third round back that you really like? Third rounder? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Roshan Johnson out of Texas. Okay, and then to me,
Speaker 1: ty Jay Spears out of two lane, and you know
Speaker 1: that you know that I love him. I'm talking give
Speaker 1: the folks. Give the folks a little thumbnail on each
Speaker 1: one of those players. Okay. So Roshan Johnson out of
Speaker 1: Texas thick legs. To me, he's a three down back.
Speaker 1: He can run between the tackles, can catch the ball
Speaker 1: out of the backfield, and he can stay in. He
Speaker 1: shows good blitz pick up in awareness. I think his
Speaker 1: best football is ahead of him. He's a guy that
Speaker 1: was a converted quarterback to running back there at Texas.
Speaker 1: He's not the fastest guy, but he shows enough elusiveness
Speaker 1: to make people miss tough runner. I think he's a
Speaker 1: good athlete. He shows the ability to hurdle, which we're
Speaker 1: gonna miss now that Zeke's gone. Yeah, but he can
Speaker 1: be a really good value pick in this draft. We
Speaker 1: worked in a tandem back with Bijon there at Texas,
Speaker 1: so there's not a lot of wear and tear, not
Speaker 1: a lot of mileage like a guy like zach Scharbonat
Speaker 1: out of UCLA right, which might be a concern for
Speaker 1: some teams. And I love Sharbonay, but this is a
Speaker 1: dude that I think you're gonna get pretty fresh sometimes.
Speaker 1: The vision was a little bit of a question for me.
Speaker 1: I saw him maybe take a wrong running lane where
Speaker 1: maybe he had a chance for a bigger play, but
Speaker 1: you know, he'll try and kick it outside. He doesn't
Speaker 1: always have the speed to get to the edge instead
Speaker 1: of just turning it up inside. But that might have
Speaker 1: just been me being a little nitpicky on the guy,
Speaker 1: trying to find a flaw. But I liked him a lot, Spears.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I think anybody that's gonna watch him
Speaker 1: against UCLA is gonna fall in love with the kid, right.
Speaker 1: But I watched him against against USC excuse me against
Speaker 1: I watched him versus USC Houston and Cincinnati. The Cincinnati
Speaker 1: game was that championship game. He played in every game
Speaker 1: I saw him, he was the best player on the
Speaker 1: football field. He was a workhorse back for them. He's
Speaker 1: a playmaker. He's shifty, he's elusive, he's got home run ability.
Speaker 1: He's got a toughness about him, even though he's kind
Speaker 1: of a smaller framed guy. He runs with an attitude,
Speaker 1: is not shy away from contact, which I absolutely loved.
Speaker 1: And to me, he's got good balance, good vision. Can
Speaker 1: beat you outside, can beat you inside. I loved his
Speaker 1: play temperament. He was always finishing. I think he's got
Speaker 1: some third down value as a receiver as well, and
Speaker 1: he played big in the biggest moments. They needed a
Speaker 1: game winning type of play. They looked at Ty je Spears.
Speaker 1: If you needed a back and you wanted to wait
Speaker 1: till the third round and he's there, I would have
Speaker 1: an absolute party. Yeah, I man, I think you got
Speaker 1: both those guys nailed. The one guy that I would
Speaker 1: like folks to consider, and I think I've said this
Speaker 1: name before, is Kenny macintosh from Georgia. Yeah, is one,
Speaker 1: and I know you know everything about him screams complete
Speaker 1: back and it's the ability to run, the ability to finish,
Speaker 1: the toughness. He's got size, he's six foot, he's two
Speaker 1: oh four, he's quick, he's elusive, and he catches the
Speaker 1: ball really well. You see big time plays down the
Speaker 1: field with this guy. And I like the backs that
Speaker 1: you mentioned. Spears to me as fast and eight because
Speaker 1: you're watching him play against USC and it's like this,
Speaker 1: keep handing him the ball and you know, and and
Speaker 1: he's kind of you know, they had to throw to
Speaker 1: get back in that game. But this guy makes big
Speaker 1: time place. You see him. You see him you know,
Speaker 1: running with the ball and and and and making and
Speaker 1: finishing runs, and you know, the championship games, the games
Speaker 1: that they had to have in order to win the
Speaker 1: conference and stuff like that. So it was it was
Speaker 1: a really really good thing. I think you got both
Speaker 1: those guys right with that. Um this comes from uh
Speaker 1: from alf And have you looked at Tyler Scott we Cincinnati? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Is you know? To me the question he's asking, I
Speaker 1: believe is because we were talking about all the outlier guys,
Speaker 1: and I kind of think that Tyler Smith might be
Speaker 1: an outlier guy himself just with a size. But if
Speaker 1: you had a choice, like I say, well, okay, tell
Speaker 1: me what you think about Tyler Scott actually liked would
Speaker 1: he be a better better choice if we're looking for
Speaker 1: one of those those shorter receivers. So I like Scott
Speaker 1: more than I like Downs. You know, I think he
Speaker 1: can find holes in the zone, sits well, you know,
Speaker 1: it goes ahead and just so he'll wait for the ball.
Speaker 1: I think he can go deep. He's a good route runner,
Speaker 1: moves all around the formation. He's another one of those
Speaker 1: guys like a Jalen height. He's got long legs, doesn't
Speaker 1: have elite speed, but he finds a way to win.
Speaker 1: And he gets enough separation to go ahead and stack
Speaker 1: to the cornerback to allow himself to make the play
Speaker 1: on the ball. He can make plays after the catch.
Speaker 1: If you play off of him, he's gonna kill you.
Speaker 1: He reads coverages well. In my opinion, he did have
Speaker 1: some drops, but he seems to have overall solid hands
Speaker 1: and he tracks the ball well in the air where
Speaker 1: my notes on Scott, I like the player quite a
Speaker 1: bit him Anna Wiley on that Cincinnati offense. We're both
Speaker 1: fun watches for me. Yeah, I think that to me
Speaker 1: when you talk about Tyler, Scotty's six foot, he's one
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy seven pounds out of Cincinnati. The thing
Speaker 1: about him is he is a really smooth route runner
Speaker 1: in and out of breaks, really really quick, no wasted
Speaker 1: motion at all. You're right, he could put a defender
Speaker 1: in a bad spot right off the snap, and you know,
Speaker 1: he does a great job of driving at the defender,
Speaker 1: getting him off balance and then coming back to the ball,
Speaker 1: so he's able to create that space. You know, I
Speaker 1: think the I think alf was asking in a relationship
Speaker 1: of Scott or with Tank Dell that kind of you know,
Speaker 1: I think I would go with Scott yea, even though
Speaker 1: I think Tank Dell is. I mean, I see the playmaker,
Speaker 1: I see the speed, the excitement there. But I think
Speaker 1: Tyler Scott has a little less bust potential between the
Speaker 1: two and the other thing. It's just the Turpin thing
Speaker 1: scares me, right, And I know they haven't figured that
Speaker 1: out that no. And I think Dell is a better
Speaker 1: player than Turpin when it comes to just being a receiver.
Speaker 1: I think he's a better pure receiver than Kavante Turpin
Speaker 1: showed in college. But I like Tyler Scott quite a bit.
Speaker 1: If you wanted to take a flower on one of
Speaker 1: the flyer on one of these guys outside around one,
Speaker 1: He's at the top of my list of guys that
Speaker 1: I would probably take. Are there any of these? Is
Speaker 1: there's any one of these? Okay, we're focusing like on
Speaker 1: these the positions with some of the wide receivers and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Just okay, Now talking with the cowboy
Speaker 1: angle here is do you think they're still in the
Speaker 1: market for one of these veteran receivers? And I'm not
Speaker 1: hearing as positive about you know, we'll see what happens
Speaker 1: with the guy in Arizona with trade. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't want to mention the name, but everybody kind of
Speaker 1: knows who I'm talking about. But where do you think
Speaker 1: they are on the veteran receiver, and where if they
Speaker 1: should they should they now that they've got a corner,
Speaker 1: you know with Gilmore, should that keep them from drafting
Speaker 1: a corner at twenty six? Or if they get one
Speaker 1: of these wide receivers through free agency or a trade,
Speaker 1: should that keep them from drafting a wide receiver. I
Speaker 1: think the thing that I've loved most about the Cowboys
Speaker 1: is and maybe last year with Tyler Smith, they kind
Speaker 1: of zero didn't on a guy and said, look, we
Speaker 1: need a lineman. We like him a lot. If we
Speaker 1: don't take him here, we're not going to get the player.
Speaker 1: So you know, maybe that was a guy where they
Speaker 1: didn't let the board necessarily fall to them and take
Speaker 1: player available. It ended up being a smash home run pick.
Speaker 1: You know, Tyler's fantastic. I love the way it plays
Speaker 1: the game, and his rookie year was great. The only
Speaker 1: time that I've really questioned was you know, Taco. I
Speaker 1: feel like was a pick where they said, we need
Speaker 1: a defensive end. He's the guy that fits all the profiles.
Speaker 1: We're going to take him. Otherwise, I think the Cowboys
Speaker 1: do an excellent job of putting themselves in a position
Speaker 1: on draft night. Where they filled a lot of their
Speaker 1: holes and they can let the board fall to them.
Speaker 1: And at twenty six in this draft, and we mentioned yesterday,
Speaker 1: maybe a receiver. If they decide, hey, we need to
Speaker 1: go get a receiver, you might need to move up
Speaker 1: to go get that guy, because I can see a
Speaker 1: run right before they end up picking. But I think
Speaker 1: that they need to add a veteran, there's no question
Speaker 1: about it. But they're still in a position where I
Speaker 1: think you could take a wide receiver or a corner
Speaker 1: at twenty six, and if that's the best player on
Speaker 1: your board, even alignment, I don't think there's any position
Speaker 1: that they think, oh my gosh, we can't take this
Speaker 1: guy because we're so stacked here. I think you can
Speaker 1: take any position. But they desperately needed wide receiver help.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing with tight end. Right, a lot
Speaker 1: of fans when we talked about tight end, it's like,
Speaker 1: why why do they need to tight end? You got
Speaker 1: fergus shot, right, got Ferguson and hender shot. Well, you
Speaker 1: add another one of these guys. These are all this
Speaker 1: is a rare tight end class and you talk about
Speaker 1: just adding a pass catcher that might be the best
Speaker 1: player that you have available that's better than some of
Speaker 1: these wide receivers. And Dak loves to go middle of
Speaker 1: the field to the tight end. So how are you
Speaker 1: helping your quarterback go ahead and do that. So I
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys are in a good place to let
Speaker 1: the board fall to them. And just because they made
Speaker 1: the move for Gilmore, I think you could still take
Speaker 1: a corner even if they were to add or make
Speaker 1: a trade for a receiver. I think you could still
Speaker 1: take a wide receiver because I don't know how long
Speaker 1: that receiver could be here. Yeah, that's the thing. I
Speaker 1: don't think you're in a situation where I think the
Speaker 1: things I know about Will McClay and I feel like
Speaker 1: I know Will pretty well. I don't know everything. Every
Speaker 1: Will's followed me in Jacksonville and then he followed me here,
Speaker 1: And you know, I mean Will's outstanding at what he does.
Speaker 1: He really really is, I mean highly respected. I think
Speaker 1: he's got a good take on all these players and stuff,
Speaker 1: very organized the way bills, his boards and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I always know that Will likes to protect himself, you know,
Speaker 1: I know he likes to you know, when you go
Speaker 1: out and you make the trade for a Gilmore, you
Speaker 1: go out and you sign somebody. You know, he's always
Speaker 1: trying to say, Okay, I going to get a veteran
Speaker 1: guy here. But I don't think it. I don't think
Speaker 1: it keeps him from going and getting one of these guys.
Speaker 1: I know, whether it's you know, I really do feel
Speaker 1: like at twenty six you got to let that board
Speaker 1: come to you. They've done a good job with that
Speaker 1: and they've hit on first rounders doing it. I just
Speaker 1: don't see them. And we did that exercise yesterday where
Speaker 1: we started to look at, you know, where wide receivers are,
Speaker 1: where why you know, where could the first wide receiver go?
Speaker 1: Could you know, could it go to the Texans at twelve?
Speaker 1: I just don't see the Cowboys moving up for you know,
Speaker 1: I see them saying, Okay, who is the best wide receiver,
Speaker 1: Who is the best tight end, Who is the best
Speaker 1: running back left? Who is the best cornerback, who's the
Speaker 1: best defensive lineman. I could see them like looking at
Speaker 1: their board and just taking whoever that best guy is.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this. If it's if Zay
Speaker 1: Flowers is the best receiver left, Emmanuel Forbes is the
Speaker 1: best corner left, which one you're taken or do they
Speaker 1: go with one of the tight ends if there's one
Speaker 1: there instead, and they just say, we're not messing with this. Damn,
Speaker 1: you're making me feel bad. Now, you're making me have
Speaker 1: to feel about you said you mentioned the tight end, right, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: let's say you know can because I said, okay, Kaid's there,
Speaker 1: you know you're you're top Guy's my mayor? Right, I'll
Speaker 1: say it's it's it's mayor. Mayor's there. Okay, there, Zay Flower. Okay,
Speaker 1: I've got a first round grade on me me just
Speaker 1: looking at my board. If I gave somebody a first
Speaker 1: round grade, my intent is to take you. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna wind address my board. Got you if if if
Speaker 1: for example, okay, say it was say it was Johnston
Speaker 1: from TCU Mayor and then you know, maybe one of
Speaker 1: the corners like we were talking about Florbes or something
Speaker 1: like that. I got Johnston and Mayor both in the
Speaker 1: first round. I think I'm taking Johnston, okay, is when
Speaker 1: I'm taking the wide receiver from TC And that's probably
Speaker 1: because receivers just thin compared to the other positions. I
Speaker 1: just think, like, to me, I feel like, like I
Speaker 1: say it, I don't think it's that. I just that
Speaker 1: I if the way I would stack them, if you know,
Speaker 1: when I go one to one ninety, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have Johnson over Mayor. Do you think the
Speaker 1: criticism for Quinton Johnston has been fair? Seems like this
Speaker 1: kid's being picked apart right now. And I don't see
Speaker 1: a lot of the stuff in the knocks that people
Speaker 1: are putting on him. No. Absolutely, this guy. This guy
Speaker 1: can make plays down the field. You watch him. There's
Speaker 1: a reason why TCU got to the National Championship game.
Speaker 1: They were good on defense, Their offensive line blocked well,
Speaker 1: the quarterback was out standing, was a Heisman finalist, and
Speaker 1: then they had a really good runner, you know, and
Speaker 1: then the wide receiver. Yeah, they had good players. Man.
Speaker 1: The thing that is a little bit, like I said,
Speaker 1: it's these wide receivers. Usually they're plug and play, and
Speaker 1: but the Cowboys saw last year, you know, their third
Speaker 1: round was not a plug in play. You know, that's
Speaker 1: one of those things you kind of worry about a
Speaker 1: little bit. So all right, well, thank everybody for the
Speaker 1: questions on Twitter. On the twenty. When we come back,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try and make Zach feel a little bit
Speaker 1: more uncomfortable like he just did me. We'll do that
Speaker 1: next on the Draft Show. I'm Dak Prescott, quarterback of
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys. Blockchain dot Com is one of the
Speaker 1: most trusted ways to buy, sell, and trade crypto. Whether
Speaker 1: you're always on the go or stay closer to home,
Speaker 1: blockchain dot com is just a few taps away put
Speaker 1: the power of crypto in your pocket, so no matter
Speaker 1: where you are, you can trade on your terms and
Speaker 1: build a crypto portfolio to fit your life. For crypto pros, rookies,
Speaker 1: and anyone in between, blockchain dot com makes it easy
Speaker 1: to own a piece of the future. Blockchain dot Com
Speaker 1: trusted by millions, trusted by America's team. In a stressful world,
Speaker 1: Lincoln provides balance and calm amidst the chaos by creating
Speaker 1: sanctuaries that move you through the world with ease. Our
Speaker 1: vehicles make your time richer and more uplifting with humans, design,
Speaker 1: intelligent technology, and powerful performance. As the official luxury vehicle
Speaker 1: of the Dallas Cowboys, driving a Lincoln is just another
Speaker 1: way to show your team pride. Experience our full lineup
Speaker 1: of luxury vehicles, including the Corsair, Aviator, Navigator and Nautilus
Speaker 1: at Lincoln dot com. What do you call a group
Speaker 1: of grown men and women with their faces painted silver
Speaker 1: and blue who get together every week to share a
Speaker 1: three hour long ritual of jumping, sinking, and toasting Miller
Speaker 1: Light and Tim Gallant hats while yelling how about them Cowboys?
Speaker 1: You call it Miller Time in Dallas. Here's to the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: Here's to the original light Beer. It's Miller Time. Celebrate
Speaker 1: Responsibly twenty twenty one. Miller Brewing Company for Orts Texas.
Speaker 1: Star Sports Tours is the only official fan travel partner
Speaker 1: of the Dallas Cowboys, offering exclusive game weekend travel packages
Speaker 1: with pregame, sideline access and photo ops with current players,
Speaker 1: cheerleaders and Cowboy legends. I want to stay at the
Speaker 1: Team Hotel, attend the best tail gay party in Texas
Speaker 1: two of the Star and talk exes and olds with
Speaker 1: me Everson Walls. With Star Sports Tours, you can visit
Speaker 1: Cowboys Travel dot com to book your travel package. Today
Speaker 1: is the Dallas Cowboys dot com Draft Show. We're back
Speaker 1: here with the Draft Show sponsored by Miller Light or
Speaker 1: presented by Miller Light. The only beard of the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: It is Miller time, Zach. We're also by the way,
Speaker 1: Zach Woolchuk joined me today. I hope all are their teammates.
Speaker 1: A Usha Moorrison, hope she gets to feeling better. We
Speaker 1: look forward to having everybody back next week. Kyle and
Speaker 1: Bobby out on assignment, and I Ushua trying to get
Speaker 1: better as so. Miss you miss everybody there, and uh,
Speaker 1: we'll carry on. Zach. It is tax season. You know that, right? Oh?
Speaker 1: It is yeah, tax season. It could be stressful. Arry,
Speaker 1: just you know, last second, Hail Mary, game on the line.
Speaker 1: Over Come your texts anxiety, text anxiety, Txiety Texiety today
Speaker 1: with Liberty Tax, a proud partner of the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Book an appointment at Liberty tax dot com. Backslash or
Speaker 1: slash Cowboys, Backslash Cowboys. Man these reads, Man Beam, I'm
Speaker 1: sorry today. I just you know, I probably didn't help
Speaker 1: you very much with your sponsors, but we love them all.
Speaker 1: I'll have you proof reading, yeah, I just usually you
Speaker 1: gotta do about fifteen hand meet, hand me a sheet
Speaker 1: and we'll start reading this stuff. All right. Hey, um,
Speaker 1: you're fine. Georgia pro day yesterday, Yeah, I think jaanlen
Speaker 1: Carter's trying to get to the Cowboys at twenty six. Boy,
Speaker 1: would that be fun But it was funny in the
Speaker 1: second round. Yeah, I think that it's funny because Jim Naggy,
Speaker 1: our buddy for who is director of the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 1: one of the great guys in the league, a great scout,
Speaker 1: Super Bowl winning scout himself. M he you know, people
Speaker 1: are asking him about janlen Carter's workout at Georgia, and
Speaker 1: it just you know, you know, he put on a
Speaker 1: lot of weight, well a lot of weight, nine pounds,
Speaker 1: it's quite a bit. And what two weeks? Yeah, two weeks?
Speaker 1: And then he also I'm capable of it too. He
Speaker 1: looked really, really sluggish, and he didn't do any of
Speaker 1: the combine and he knew yesterday was you know, when
Speaker 1: you're at the combine and you tell the world, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna hear, you know, And he was going back
Speaker 1: and forth two because of something you're you're gonna there's
Speaker 1: an update about this off the field stuff. But before
Speaker 1: you get to that, though, my man is struggling with
Speaker 1: a lot of things in his life and and I
Speaker 1: mean this in the struggle of you know, trying to
Speaker 1: kind of get things going the right direction here before
Speaker 1: the draft. He's got some news. Go ahead and read
Speaker 1: the news. So this is from us Seth Emerson of
Speaker 1: the Athletic who reported that Jalen Carter entered a deal
Speaker 1: with Athens Clark County solicitors. According to his lawyer, he
Speaker 1: has pled no contest and he's going to receive twelve
Speaker 1: months probation, pay a thousand dollars fine, and perform eighty
Speaker 1: hours of community service and finish a driving course. But
Speaker 1: there will be no jail time for Jalen Carter. Okay,
Speaker 1: So teams now have an understanding of where he's at. Again,
Speaker 1: I mentioned Jim Nagi, Naggi said yesterday because they were
Speaker 1: asking Naggie about about what they thought that, you know,
Speaker 1: where he would go, would he be falling? Naggie says,
Speaker 1: everybody still got this guy in the top ten. He's
Speaker 1: the best player on the draft for me. See, that's
Speaker 1: that's the thing that's just completely scary to me this
Speaker 1: time of year. Yet you're trying to figure out we
Speaker 1: I know. I called some people yesterday, some of these
Speaker 1: football ops, guys and gals I know around college football.
Speaker 1: The most terrifying thing to me is when you put
Speaker 1: your board together, and especially the way it is now,
Speaker 1: don't know the medical and I don't know all the
Speaker 1: background stuff unless it's reported and so you know. And
Speaker 1: the one and I actually was talking Aisha Worsen about
Speaker 1: this morning, is when you're putting your board together and
Speaker 1: you don't know when a guy's sliding, when you when
Speaker 1: a guy is you have a guy in the third round,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden it's the fifth round and
Speaker 1: you're sitting there going you know, and Kyle asked that question, well,
Speaker 1: who's the best player on your board left? And it's
Speaker 1: somebody that you're you and you get to the point
Speaker 1: where you're like, I don't even want to say his
Speaker 1: name anymore because you know there's something there that you
Speaker 1: didn't know about. And I think that's the thing that
Speaker 1: all really the media scouts this time of year. You
Speaker 1: get a little anxious about that that like, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: telling you guys, you need to draft this guy. Draft
Speaker 1: this guy, draft this guy. And then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden he starts to slide, and then it's like, well
Speaker 1: what happened to so and so? And then you go
Speaker 1: back and you're like, man, this happened, This happened, This happened.
Speaker 1: I mean a low Collins was a really good example
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, absolutely Loud Collins. You know with the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: I mean, the Cowboys sent people to Baton Rouge. You know,
Speaker 1: a lot of rumor, a lot of speculation. You know,
Speaker 1: we don't have all the answers here, but at least
Speaker 1: we have some answers, you know, with Carter and his
Speaker 1: situation going forward. But you're you're you're not gonna You're
Speaker 1: not if you were top ten, I'm taking the kid.
Speaker 1: You're not even you're not even worried about it. Look
Speaker 1: if I mean, there are things like people are saying,
Speaker 1: like when Todd McShay said that about him really early
Speaker 1: before the combine, Yeah, and everybody. And I'm kind of
Speaker 1: thinking like, man, if you're McShay, you don't say that.
Speaker 1: You have to say that, you you mean, But there's
Speaker 1: I mean, there's people that have called me up, Scouts
Speaker 1: have called me up and said I told you, man,
Speaker 1: I told you. And I'm like, going, all right, I
Speaker 1: get it. Guy's not a great guy right now, right,
Speaker 1: you know, you got to feel comfortable with it, right
Speaker 1: if I meet with him and I don't feel a
Speaker 1: certain type of way after visiting with the individual, and
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, we can get his head
Speaker 1: in the right place. We can put a plan in
Speaker 1: a struggle sure for him to succeed within our organization.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys specifically have done this before. Yeah, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to hesitate because the talent is tremendous with a
Speaker 1: Jalen Carter. It's rare that you find a player that athletic,
Speaker 1: that size and the quickest way to the quarterback is
Speaker 1: up the middle, and Jalen Carter is an outstanding football player.
Speaker 1: So for me, now I get it. Maybe the risk
Speaker 1: is too much. Maybe I meet with him and I
Speaker 1: feel like, now this kid's not he's not gonna get it.
Speaker 1: I think that he's a guy that you know, these
Speaker 1: issues are going to follow him to the next level.
Speaker 1: If I feel that way, then then I go I
Speaker 1: think I'd passed in the top ten, but without knowing that.
Speaker 1: The talent to me outweighs the risk and I think
Speaker 1: the reward is far greater. Yeah, this guy, he's so
Speaker 1: impressive to watch on tape. You know, I get it. Man.
Speaker 1: There were times last year where we were watching all
Speaker 1: those guys you know that were they got drafted for
Speaker 1: George Off that day, the first National championship team, you know,
Speaker 1: and you're sitting there like, well, who's that number eighty eight?
Speaker 1: Who's that guy? And then that happens to you a
Speaker 1: lot as a scout. You're watching, you're watching this tape
Speaker 1: and Jordan Davis last year, Yeah, yeah, who's the guy
Speaker 1: next to him? Yeah? Yeah? Who? You know, you're going,
Speaker 1: who is that guy? Who is that guy? And there'll
Speaker 1: be a lot of times you're sitting in that my experience,
Speaker 1: you're sitting in that draft room and it's real quiet,
Speaker 1: and you're watching the tape and you're sitting next to
Speaker 1: the guy that has that area and you lean over
Speaker 1: you go, who's that number eighty eight? And he goes,
Speaker 1: he's he's a sophomore. Yeah, he'll be a junior next year.
Speaker 1: You'll you can watch him next year. You know that
Speaker 1: kind of thing. You get the whispering going on, and
Speaker 1: Jalen Carter's that kind of guy with me. But it's
Speaker 1: funny that there's all these people now or like, saying
Speaker 1: stuff about him. Though they're saying stuff, they're like, man,
Speaker 1: you need to dig in on this gat, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's unfortunate what happened to him. I'm glad he
Speaker 1: put it behind him. But you you you wonder, you
Speaker 1: wonder how many more people in this draft or that
Speaker 1: that type of you know where you're gonna where we're
Speaker 1: watching the tape, we're watching the players and we're going, man,
Speaker 1: this guy's a great player, right, and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden it comes out that, well, he had this
Speaker 1: against him and he had that. And that's that's the
Speaker 1: real danger about doing the job that we do here.
Speaker 1: You know, it's putting these boards together and talking about
Speaker 1: it without And that's why I think that you know,
Speaker 1: it's best that you try and ask these teams if
Speaker 1: you know guys around the league, or you know these
Speaker 1: college guys. That's the one advantage that I do have
Speaker 1: for being as long as I have in this business
Speaker 1: that you can call those people up and say, hey,
Speaker 1: you know what's going on with my guys? You know
Speaker 1: what's going on with Eli Ricks at LSU it went
Speaker 1: to Alabama and stuff like that. I mean, you kind
Speaker 1: of figure out some things along the way. Is what's
Speaker 1: the what's the thing what is you get ready for
Speaker 1: this first draft? For you what's the thing that makes
Speaker 1: you really the most nervous, the most it gives you
Speaker 1: apprehend about doing this job. I think some of it is, yes,
Speaker 1: the unknown of you know, the makeup and the character,
Speaker 1: because some of these guys like they want to the desire.
Speaker 1: How much do you love the game? Yeah? You know,
Speaker 1: the work ethic, that stuff. You don't know just by
Speaker 1: watching the tape. I'm looking at a kid and saying, man,
Speaker 1: he's a freak athlete just because he's a freak athlete,
Speaker 1: and that helps him win in college. Everybody's a freak
Speaker 1: athlete at the NFL. Yeah, you know, that's not going
Speaker 1: to be enough to translate. Sometimes if a guy's not
Speaker 1: going to be willing to put in the work, I
Speaker 1: don't know that I want him. And I had that
Speaker 1: problem with Paxton Lynch. I had that problem with Paxton Lynch,
Speaker 1: and people will will know that about me. When we
Speaker 1: were doing the quarterbacks and stuff, and if you're a
Speaker 1: fan of the Draft show, I didn't know that Paxson
Speaker 1: Lynch was the last in and first out guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just saw a football player, you know, And you
Speaker 1: start to talk about how much does a guy really
Speaker 1: love football? Yeah, you know, I think that's the big
Speaker 1: issues that we deal with right now. Well, and how
Speaker 1: about a guy like Micah Michael Parsons. You know, a
Speaker 1: player you didn't get to see him rush the passer
Speaker 1: in college. Shout out to the Cowboys and kudos to
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn. They've tapped into arguably the best pass rusher
Speaker 1: in the NFL or a top three to five guy
Speaker 1: by making that move and that transition to playing him
Speaker 1: at edge. But you saw him as predominantly an off
Speaker 1: ball linebacker. So when the Cowboys drafted him in the
Speaker 1: first round, I'm thinking, Manna, here we go, they're taking
Speaker 1: another off ball linebacker that I get super excited about it. No,
Speaker 1: not at all. But the way that they've been able
Speaker 1: to make him an edge rusher and use him as
Speaker 1: a chess piece in a variety of different ways, he's
Speaker 1: turned into arguably the best defensive player in all the NFL.
Speaker 1: And that's something I don't think a lot of people
Speaker 1: were able to see leading up to that draft. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the thing when I because when the pick was made,
Speaker 1: I remember because of Slater and stuff like that, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I wanted Slater to Bolton from Missouri, the linebacker and
Speaker 1: I was so upset that Sir Tan got taken. See
Speaker 1: was my my draft crush. I got a question for
Speaker 1: you there, Brian, on this Carter situation. Yeah, yeah, if
Speaker 1: he falls, he falls about Let's just say, I was
Speaker 1: just gonna ask this question. If Phi Philly has the
Speaker 1: number tenth pick, Yeah, do they take him or do
Speaker 1: they They're on the phone trying to get some more picks.
Speaker 1: They they've got, they've got. I was thinking, they've got
Speaker 1: ten thirty and sixty two. So two in the first
Speaker 1: one and the second, yeah, and then one of the third,
Speaker 1: and then they don't they have two in the seven,
Speaker 1: so they have a long gap. I was sitting there
Speaker 1: thinking that if he falls to ten, yeah, knowing what
Speaker 1: they have, did they take him? Well, they just they
Speaker 1: just resigned Fletcher Cox. Yeah, but they lost Hargrave right right,
Speaker 1: So then you've got two Georgie guys next to each.
Speaker 1: Jordan Davis, Man, I'll tell you what I I thought
Speaker 1: you were gonna ask the question. I thought you're gonna
Speaker 1: ask the question if he got past somebody at say
Speaker 1: he got past fifteen up, will you go You're gonna go?
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, you go? Is he the is he Okay,
Speaker 1: is he the only player in the draft that you
Speaker 1: would go for? You know I'm going for Jackson Smith
Speaker 1: and Jigba. We all know that I'm going for that guy.
Speaker 1: He's the best receiver in the draft. You need a receiver,
Speaker 1: Go get him. Would you run to the Star if
Speaker 1: we picked him, they'll already be here. That's a Kyle
Speaker 1: Yeoman special. But but I'll do what every year? Would
Speaker 1: you would you? Would you go up for any of
Speaker 1: these corners? Porter, I'd go for Gonzales. Yeah, I'd go
Speaker 1: for Porter. I think Porter is the best guy. I
Speaker 1: go up for Porter. Otherwise I'd wait and let let's
Speaker 1: unless there's a run, which might happen, right, you get
Speaker 1: a run on these guys and you're like, man, you
Speaker 1: know Gonzalez is by far our best guy left. We
Speaker 1: gotta go get him. Otherwise I'd probably stay at twenty
Speaker 1: six and just let the board fall to me. But
Speaker 1: I'd go up and go get Porter because I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna be that good. I think I think that
Speaker 1: it's interesting because and you you brought up and here
Speaker 1: in our final few minutes, you brought up the name
Speaker 1: Addison from USC Do you want to include him as
Speaker 1: an outlier guy. Yeah, he is. Because he's small, he's undersized.
Speaker 1: He definitely like six foot. He's not exactly like, he's
Speaker 1: not Zay Flowers. He's not tanked Dell, but he's skinny.
Speaker 1: The thing about him is his route running ability is
Speaker 1: so good that he's able to win and he's able
Speaker 1: to get separation. But there are times like that's the
Speaker 1: dude I've got the concern with. You watch him against
Speaker 1: for Gen right, Nashon Wright's brother at Oregon State, six
Speaker 1: foot two, big long pisner. Yeah, he made his day
Speaker 1: or night I should say they played a night game.
Speaker 1: I think it was at Oregon State. He worked Jordan
Speaker 1: Addison and that was a guy. At times, I think
Speaker 1: he can struggle to get off tight press coverage because
Speaker 1: he's a smaller player. But his route running so good.
Speaker 1: You watch him in certain games he just dominates, like
Speaker 1: against Utah before he got hurt in the regular season matchup.
Speaker 1: If he doesn't get injured, I don't think USC loses
Speaker 1: that football game. He was and that was against Clark Phillips, right,
Speaker 1: who is also going to be probably a second round
Speaker 1: pick from Utah, and he was. He was outstanding in
Speaker 1: that football game. So Addison's very I got some questions
Speaker 1: about Addison. He's probably the one I have the toughest
Speaker 1: read on. He's my number one wide receiver and I
Speaker 1: and I that's my problem. That's my problem that I have.
Speaker 1: I have confidence in who I who I have my board,
Speaker 1: But there's that did I see this guy the right way?
Speaker 1: I mean, it's terrible to have a little doubt about
Speaker 1: because if you have doubt, you shouldn't have him on.
Speaker 1: You shouldn't have him as your best. You know what,
Speaker 1: I've see him, I got Addison Johnson. You're right about
Speaker 1: Smith and Jigba. See the thing that worries me about
Speaker 1: Smith and Jigba is his health this last year. I
Speaker 1: get that, you know, is it is? It gonna be
Speaker 1: one of those things and I always am, I gonna
Speaker 1: have to I know it didn't happen to him before,
Speaker 1: but it happened to him last year. And I get that.
Speaker 1: And I think that's what a lot of people's issue is,
Speaker 1: just the soft tissue. I think he was he knew
Speaker 1: I'm NFL ready, yeah, and he tried to come back.
Speaker 1: I got to go to that game against Iowa and
Speaker 1: watch them play live at the shoe. He tried to
Speaker 1: come back for that one, and you could tell he
Speaker 1: wasn't quite right and he retw the hamstring. From that
Speaker 1: point on, I think he just shut it down and said,
Speaker 1: I'm getting ready for the pros. Why am I coming
Speaker 1: to the realization there's not any players I would trade
Speaker 1: up for. I don't know. Do you think that maybe
Speaker 1: it's a lack of like, I don't know, I mean special,
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, that's what I'm saying. I'm an
Speaker 1: eat guys. I think you got a lot of good player.
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of really good players. I
Speaker 1: think you mentioned Porter Gonzalez. I love Wilson from Texas
Speaker 1: Tech Edge, the Edge, I love Bijean Robinson, the quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: You know you're you're probably not gonna do anything. Why
Speaker 1: am I just gonna let this board come to me here? Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I think that you've got a lot of I
Speaker 1: think you got a lot of good players. I don't
Speaker 1: know that there's any guys that you're like, Man, that
Speaker 1: dude's great, we gotta go get him. And to Beemer's point,
Speaker 1: Jalen Carter would be one of those guys like that's
Speaker 1: an elite talent. If he starts to fall, he's too
Speaker 1: good to let somebody else have. He needs to be
Speaker 1: ours thinking of pain. To Ron Payne, I had him
Speaker 1: like as a top four or five guy there that
Speaker 1: we hear he came out of Alabama and means at
Speaker 1: what's seventeen to the commanders, right, something like that. But
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, you got a point. I mean,
Speaker 1: so a lot of these guys are so close with
Speaker 1: the receivers, with the corners. You know, the gap between
Speaker 1: these guys is not overly huge to where you're thinking, man, Okay,
Speaker 1: if if this guy gets taken, fine, we got a
Speaker 1: fallback option. Yeah. I'm just kind of it's it's it's
Speaker 1: fascinating as you as you guys and gals billage boards
Speaker 1: out there, just kind of think about who you got
Speaker 1: and then you know, be confident to put them in.
Speaker 1: I know there's some of these guys you're going to
Speaker 1: struggle with. You know, I'm struggling with some of these, uh,
Speaker 1: these outliers. But that's what the draft shows all about.
Speaker 1: We'll figure it out, all right. That's uh, that's all
Speaker 1: our time for the day. Kind I could do this
Speaker 1: show all day, I really could. I loved talking about
Speaker 1: the Draft. But we'll be back next Wednesday here on
Speaker 1: the Draft Show to to once again. We'll be again
Speaker 1: one week closer. We'll be one week. We'll have some
Speaker 1: of these pro days knocked out as well. Have an
Speaker 1: idea of some of these guys have improved some of
Speaker 1: their times, maybe some guys stood on some of their
Speaker 1: times from the combine, But we'll sort it all out
Speaker 1: for you, for my guy, for Zach Walchuk, for Chris Beam,
Speaker 1: for Aisha Morrison, Kyle Yeoman's Bobby Bell. Thank you guys
Speaker 1: for always letting us come in and we're always here
Speaker 1: to try and investigate and educate you guys, and we'll
Speaker 1: see you next week on the Draft Show. This has
Speaker 1: been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys Football Club.