WEBVTT - Haystack w/ Ashley Williams

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<v Speaker 1>Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.

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<v Speaker 2>We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the

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<v Speaker 2>vicious felonies. These episodes are based on.

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<v Speaker 3>These are our stories.

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<v Speaker 2>Done done, Yay, that's messed up. At SVU podcast, we

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<v Speaker 2>have another episode coming at you.

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<v Speaker 3>My name is Lisa Traeger.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm Kara Klank And as you very well know,

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<v Speaker 1>we recap an episode of USVU. We talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>true CRIMEA is based on and we interview a fabulous guest.

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<v Speaker 1>And today it is no different. We have a great

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<v Speaker 1>guest and before that we just like to catch up

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<v Speaker 1>and chat and talk about what's going on in the world.

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<v Speaker 3>Nothing good, No, that is a couple good things, but mostly.

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<v Speaker 2>Clouded in disasters that I disassociate from.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, are you in them? Are you in the like?

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<v Speaker 1>I was like literally on hysteria a few weeks ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was the whole topic, is like how do

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<v Speaker 1>you handle like the never ending doom cycle?

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<v Speaker 3>And they were like, Kara, how do you?

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, uh, like I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 1>just I dip in, but then I you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>get out. I have to like focus on other stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like, I, Yeah, if we, if any of

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<v Speaker 2>us actually focused on it, we could maybe sacrifice our

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<v Speaker 2>comfort for one second to maybe put our asses on

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<v Speaker 2>the line to make change. But we're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>do it. So we're going to keep listening to this

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<v Speaker 2>pod and that's that. So yeah, keep driving through the

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<v Speaker 2>drive throw and listening and no judgment here.

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<v Speaker 3>I saw Scream last night, and oh Scream six.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think my new thing in life is eating dinner

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<v Speaker 2>at the movie theater and going to the movies. I

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<v Speaker 2>thought it was gonna be going to Jumbo's clown Room,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's actually seeing horror movies and having a great.

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<v Speaker 3>Great time.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'll tell you one is gonna save you a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more money. I think it's gonna save you a lot. Well, no,

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<v Speaker 1>not dinner in a movie, dinner at the movie at

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<v Speaker 1>the movie, yeah, dinner at the movies. Yeah, the Drumbo's

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<v Speaker 1>clown room. Especially especially if you see somebody like, uh, oh.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, someone made fun of me. They're like, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not even an actual stroke club. They're like, what's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>happen to you when you graduate? But I was just

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<v Speaker 2>messaging with who I went to the movies with, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, do you think people in line could

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<v Speaker 2>tell we were stoned? And he was like, I think

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<v Speaker 2>helicopters in Highland Park. I mean, but I did have

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<v Speaker 2>a good Yeah, Scream was okay, it was it was fine,

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<v Speaker 2>it was good.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a good time.

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<v Speaker 1>I went last year and saw Screen five, but only

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<v Speaker 1>because it was someone's birthday where they rented out the

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<v Speaker 1>whole theater and it was like lie down seats and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, okay, Like I don't know the Scream movies.

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<v Speaker 1>I never really the first ones are awesome. I actually

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<v Speaker 1>possibly still own the Scream two.

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<v Speaker 3>Soundtrack on CD.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I used to like them at the very beginning,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I kind of like fell off and then

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<v Speaker 1>I saw five. But I don't know if six is

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<v Speaker 1>calling my name. But Nev Campbell not in this one.

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<v Speaker 3>Not in this one.

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<v Speaker 2>They do reference that she decided to protect her family,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like, not get involved.

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<v Speaker 1>When in real life she was protecting her bank account.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like she was like upset that she wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>getting paid enough?

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<v Speaker 4>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, is that what it was? I think that's what

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<v Speaker 3>it was.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they were just respecting her, like she like

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<v Speaker 1>I think she was like I am this fucking franchise

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<v Speaker 1>and they were like no, and they just didn't give

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<v Speaker 1>her enough.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, well, yeah, there are a part where they're like,

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<v Speaker 2>once it's a franchise, you actually don't matter, and like

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<v Speaker 2>legacy characters can die and like no one is safe

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<v Speaker 2>is like part of the yeah kind of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>sass of this. But Hayden Panitaire svu Alum, she makes

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<v Speaker 2>an appearance. Yes, she's an FBI agent, Herbie yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And Dylan Dylan mcrooney McDermott, I don't know, Dermott mulrooney

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<v Speaker 2>or Dylan McDermott, not Dylan McDermott, Dylan mccrooney, Dermott mulrooney, Dylan,

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<v Speaker 2>he will not not call him Dylan. It's the guy

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<v Speaker 2>from best Friend's wedding, Dermott mulrooney.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's also another guy that looks like him that's

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<v Speaker 2>not him, that is gay. But this guy is not gay,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel, I mean he could be, but you know love,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>There was like an SNL skitch that was called Roy

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<v Speaker 1>or Dylan McDermott.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but I know.

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<v Speaker 2>But then there's the third guy too, who's in the twist.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel from my best friend's wedding.

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<v Speaker 2>No, just in the genre of faces of that of

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<v Speaker 2>the man, not in the name, but it is my

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<v Speaker 2>best friend's wedding.

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<v Speaker 3>Guy, he is in it. Yeah. Wait yellow jackets too. Fuck? Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>seame we have yellow jackets coming up? Baby.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I did do something ethically, like Karen, I think, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>what did you do?

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<v Speaker 3>We went to A nine or an eight forty five.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like, towards the end of the evening, I

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<v Speaker 2>had been looking forward all evening to the popcorn. It

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't fresh, so I said, well, you pop a fresh batch.

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<v Speaker 2>And they're like, it would be a ten to fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>minute wait, and I said, I'll wait. I did end

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<v Speaker 2>up tipping, but I did make them pop fresh popcorn

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of the night.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen, you tipped, and you sounds like you asked nicely.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that's very karen ish. You didn't ask

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<v Speaker 1>to talk to a manager. You weren't like belittling someone.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, I was pretty apologetic, but I was just like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not eating gutter corn.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you've been waiting all day and it tastes like styrofoam.

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<v Speaker 2>Fuck that, I get it. I wanted fresh corn, fresh

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<v Speaker 2>fresh way. Did you see the ads for the nude

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<v Speaker 2>Little Caesars where the crust is a corn on the

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<v Speaker 2>cob and it comes with the liquid butter side.

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<v Speaker 3>It's over. It's over.

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<v Speaker 1>Mediocracy has become real life. But what the fuck are

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<v Speaker 1>you talking about? There's a corn cob crust.

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<v Speaker 3>No, but wildly.

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<v Speaker 2>I DMed it to our friend Lauren, who's obsessed with corn,

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<v Speaker 2>and she did not order that. But she goes, holy shit,

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<v Speaker 2>I did just postmates myself corn on the cob.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so I just googled it and it says, no,

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<v Speaker 1>Little Caesar's Corn cob cross Pizza isn't real.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, it didn't make sense, Like, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how it could be a vehicle for crust, but I

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<v Speaker 2>believed it. I believed it. I believed it. So is

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<v Speaker 2>that even more idiocrity?

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<v Speaker 1>That's according to some website called penlive dot com. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if that's real. But then Boing Boing says,

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<v Speaker 1>Little Caesars introduces corn crob cross pizza with two leaders

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<v Speaker 1>of liquefied butter.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's the most silent we've ever been on the pod.

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<v Speaker 2>The liquid butter put us into a full pause. We

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know what to say.

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<v Speaker 1>We've never let there be a second of dead air

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<v Speaker 1>on this podcast, and we just let liquid butter ooze

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<v Speaker 1>in between us.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it seems like the.

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<v Speaker 1>Internet, I mean, boing boing, It does not have a

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<v Speaker 1>definitive answer. If you are work in marketing at Little

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<v Speaker 1>Caesar's or you know the truth, please let us know

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<v Speaker 1>if but I'm it says it has the Internet split,

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<v Speaker 1>and it also has Kara and Lisa's split. Not like

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<v Speaker 1>we're on different sides. We just do not know whether

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<v Speaker 1>this is real.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I have been, you know, my new thing is,

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<v Speaker 2>I've been dropping off laundry only twice. But there was

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<v Speaker 2>a family enjoying a Little Caesar's in their car, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, you guys have figured out the world.

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<v Speaker 3>Fuck.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Lisa was at the playground with me and my

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<v Speaker 1>kids like last week, and this little girl walks in

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<v Speaker 1>with like a little Hot and Ready packet and Lisa

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<v Speaker 1>goes there she is, that's the MVP of this playground.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I'm really a fan of Hot and Ready

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<v Speaker 2>in public places. Yeah, I'm really impressed. Wait, but we

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<v Speaker 2>do love yellow jackets. It is back, It is back baby.

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<v Speaker 2>The last five seconds of the first episode rocked my world.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, if you haven't seen it, if you haven't watched

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<v Speaker 1>yet fast.

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<v Speaker 2>Forward, we don't we don't even have to go into

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<v Speaker 2>details about it. I don't think even think we have

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<v Speaker 2>to spoil it to be able to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 2>It just like that little moment was like, this is

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<v Speaker 2>why I'm watching Yellow Jackets, because it was like okay, okay, okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I was like, oh, there she is.

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<v Speaker 3>There's Yellow Jackets.

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<v Speaker 2>Like it just was like shocking, surprising, awesome, and why

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<v Speaker 2>I'm watching Twisted.

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<v Speaker 3>I loved it. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I also like the way that they figured out a

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<v Speaker 1>way for a character who passed away to still be

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<v Speaker 1>kind of in the show a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, because she on the red carpets and Stuff's

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<v Speaker 2>like they tell me, I'm out, I'm out, I'm out.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm pissed, but I'm out, and you're right.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they let her, They let her in a

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<v Speaker 2>little Yeah, they figured it out a little way.

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<v Speaker 3>So keep getting her SAG insurance. I think people are

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<v Speaker 3>meming that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, when Tysa shows up at her son's school

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<v Speaker 1>and she's just holding the dog with like a wild

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<v Speaker 1>smile on her face.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what's the meme.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really know, but people are just like meming

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<v Speaker 1>her with like the little dog like you know me

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<v Speaker 1>when blank happens or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>Like it's just such a funny like visual.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it really like picked up. It feels like right

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<v Speaker 1>where it left off. Like I don't it doesn't feel

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<v Speaker 1>like a huge jump.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, No, no time has jumped. Also, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>ready to join Lottie's program. Her speech up top, I go,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what if I would drop five grand I

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<v Speaker 2>would go, I would go for a you know, a

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<v Speaker 2>day program you except for you. I was like that

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<v Speaker 2>right Lotties thing. I was like, get me in there, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>get me in there. But I also am into Misty's

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<v Speaker 2>detective prowess skills.

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<v Speaker 3>She's good at it. Yeah, she's on Reddit trolling the forums.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's where Elijah Wood's gonna come in, right,

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<v Speaker 1>that was his voice in a voiceover.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, Like I.

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<v Speaker 1>Think he's gonna be like a fellow detective q amateur detective.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I want her to have a friend I want

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<v Speaker 2>her to have friendship, you know what I mean? She

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<v Speaker 2>deserves it. Well, she doesn't, she's bad. There's an interview

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<v Speaker 2>with Christina Ricci and she goes, yeah, everyone that's like

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<v Speaker 2>into Misty, please you need help.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a dangerous person. This is not someone.

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<v Speaker 2>You want in your life, and like, please, this is

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<v Speaker 2>not a good sign if like you're connected to this woman.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, but there is like something about Christina Ricci

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<v Speaker 1>that is like, I don't know, I'm not scared of

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<v Speaker 1>Misty even though she is scary and she okay, wait,

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<v Speaker 1>clarification question when she injected that cigarette with whatever the fuck?

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<v Speaker 1>Did she kill that woman or just like incapacitate her

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<v Speaker 1>or like.

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<v Speaker 3>Carara please, so of course that woman is dead. She's dead, Okay, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>she's a witness. She can't be trusted out. I know,

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<v Speaker 3>I know.

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<v Speaker 1>I just didn't know if she gave her something that

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<v Speaker 1>turned her into like a vegetable or you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Like it seem like Lisa Hockstein right now when the

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<v Speaker 2>husband is cheating and she's like, wait, you think they

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<v Speaker 2>had sex.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just I don't know if my marriage is over yet, Lisa.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know you think they had sex? A month ago?

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<v Speaker 3>Everything was fine? That's so good.

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<v Speaker 1>Like when someone's being obtuse to just be like, are

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<v Speaker 1>you like Lisa Hawkstein.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think they had sex? Is so fun? Funny?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, of course she murdered that bitch. Wait,

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<v Speaker 2>I did have a fun celebrity moment. Okay, So I

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<v Speaker 2>have been I have been meeting Caroline Ray, I would

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<v Speaker 2>say fifteen times at least, like I'm obsessed with her,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, Like I've been.

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<v Speaker 3>I love Caroline Ray. I can't get enough of her.

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<v Speaker 2>And every time I meet her, I'm always like I

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<v Speaker 2>never am like, oh we've met. I'll keep reliving the

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<v Speaker 2>fantasy as many times, like I'll don't worry Darling's However,

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<v Speaker 2>many times she wants right, she.

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<v Speaker 3>Never remembers you no, and it's totally fun.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>One time, I think she could sense my energy because

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<v Speaker 2>I think I've said it on the podcast. Jackie Harry

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<v Speaker 2>was there too, and she's like, yeah, she like hit

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<v Speaker 2>her and was like let's let's go over here, Like

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<v Speaker 2>they like walked away from me, Like the energy was

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<v Speaker 2>just too desperate on my part. So then finally I

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<v Speaker 2>was opening Eleanor Kerrigan if you see her special, she

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<v Speaker 2>taped it to the comedy Store recently, and so I

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<v Speaker 2>opened for her tapings. So Caroline was there to support

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<v Speaker 2>and I did do a good job opening for my friend.

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<v Speaker 2>So finally Caroline came up to me and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I think this time she might remember. But again it

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<v Speaker 2>was like hey, I'm Carolina. Yeah, I love you girl.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I walked out back and I told some

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<v Speaker 2>friends I go, I think this might be the time

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<v Speaker 2>she remembers me. I got this might be it, and

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<v Speaker 2>then my friend Steve Fierrio goes, yeah, I mean it's

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<v Speaker 2>like show us the cat, give us the cat, And

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<v Speaker 2>I just started laughing so hard.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, what does that mean, show us the

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<v Speaker 3>cat from Sabrina the teenage Witsch.

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<v Speaker 5>Salem.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like bring the cat.

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<v Speaker 2>They thought it was like a like a phrase, like

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<v Speaker 2>a turn a phrase. I was like, what the hell, No,

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<v Speaker 2>it was like, girl, we love you, like like what.

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<v Speaker 3>Game do you want us to play? But I think

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<v Speaker 3>I've said it on this podcast too.

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<v Speaker 1>But I met her once like ten years ago, and

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<v Speaker 1>like I loved her so much, we had had a conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>Keep meeting her. Yeah it'll be like the first time

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<v Speaker 3>every time.

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<v Speaker 1>Never remember this, or she doesn't remember you after all

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<v Speaker 1>these times. This was so many years ago.

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<v Speaker 5>I brought her.

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<v Speaker 2>Up before I've hosted. I mean I have been bringing

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<v Speaker 2>her up on stage. I've been at multiple coasts. I've

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<v Speaker 2>been at festival, I've brought her up at Montreal. I mean, no,

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<v Speaker 2>no Tin, no shade. I think to our generation, she

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<v Speaker 2>we all get this excited. So I understand her point

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<v Speaker 2>of view of like, Okay, these women just like they

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<v Speaker 2>all just seem too excited. I don't know, yeah, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was just funny. When I go back there, I go,

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<v Speaker 2>I think this might be the time she remembers me

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<v Speaker 2>and him being like, yeah, just tell us about the cat,

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<v Speaker 2>just like made me so happy.

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<v Speaker 1>I just can't wait until I get to meet her

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<v Speaker 1>again and have I can't wait to get into where

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<v Speaker 1>you are, Like I want to be on meeting fifteen already,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I'm only on I've only had one, so like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I need to get up there.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I saw my own Scanda all with

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<v Speaker 2>my own eyes. I was in the back of a

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<v Speaker 2>comedy show and there was like a table of four

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<v Speaker 2>and it was like a guy with his legs wide open,

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<v Speaker 2>and the the girl in front of him was like

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<v Speaker 2>in between his leg opening, and then the girl diagonal

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<v Speaker 2>to him on the other side of the table. Every

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<v Speaker 2>time she would laugh, she would turn around to look

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<v Speaker 2>back at him to like is it okay to laugh?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, like and she kept like she just kept

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<v Speaker 2>looking at him to laugh and like connect. And to me,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, wait, what's going on? Why is she connecting

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<v Speaker 2>with him? And the girls in between his legs? So

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I wonder what's happening in this dynamic?

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<v Speaker 1>Why are people in between each other's legs at comedy

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<v Speaker 1>shows too?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. You don't like that at all? I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that feels really weird.

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<v Speaker 2>That didn't bother me as much as the three connecting.

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<v Speaker 3>And then who was the fourth guy out?

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<v Speaker 2>He's just sitting there like another girl, three girls a

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<v Speaker 2>guy and not no pizza, no snacks of the college.

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<v Speaker 1>Three girls, a guy, no pizza place. Okay, So I

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<v Speaker 1>hope it's not just a girl who's just like got misogyny.

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<v Speaker 1>So ingrained in her that she has to look at

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<v Speaker 1>the man at the table to see like if he's

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<v Speaker 1>laughing at the thing so she can laugh at.

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<v Speaker 2>It, and that it's not unset. That's the first thing

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<v Speaker 2>I said on stage. I go, honey, I've been watching

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<v Speaker 2>you this whole time Feminism's happened. Stop looking at him,

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<v Speaker 2>I go, stop looking at him, I go. You can

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<v Speaker 2>laugh on your own, honey, that's the first thing I said.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like appalled, but she continued to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>She continued to do it.

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<v Speaker 3>It was wild. Wow. Okay, guys, so I know Casey

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<v Speaker 3>just gave us the flag. We got ustart the episode.

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<v Speaker 3>But really quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>I know a lot of you have been asking us

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<v Speaker 1>when is our show at the Moontower Comedy Festival, which

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<v Speaker 1>is coming up at the end of April, and we.

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<v Speaker 3>Finally have a date.

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<v Speaker 1>It is going to be Friday, April twenty first, at

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<v Speaker 1>eight pm at eight hundred Congress. That is the name

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<v Speaker 1>of the venue in Austin, eight hundred Congress and it's

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<v Speaker 1>part of the Moontower Comedy Festival. Now, for some reason,

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<v Speaker 1>this fest has not gotten us a ticket link yet,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know that the second that we get one,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to be throwing it up on That's messed

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<v Speaker 1>up live dot com. So please keep checking that or

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<v Speaker 1>just follow us on Instagram and our instagram is going

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<v Speaker 1>to have all the ticket for Moontower as soon as

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<v Speaker 1>it's up. But right now, you can mark your calendars

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<v Speaker 1>for Friday, April twenty first to eight pm at eight

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<v Speaker 1>hundred Congress and we will get you the ticket link

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<v Speaker 1>as soon as possible on our Instagram. Okay, let's get

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<v Speaker 1>started with today's episode.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, we got Haystack Season eight, episode fifteen. You

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<v Speaker 2>know what, I was just watching the there's a new

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<v Speaker 2>three part I think I kind of fell asleep. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's about the Malaysian airlines. Yeah, yeah, I heard about that.

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<v Speaker 2>It is fucked up what happened and no one knows.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it is so fucked up. But the reason

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<v Speaker 2>I thought of it is because there's someone says it's

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<v Speaker 2>not finding a needle in a haystack, like it's finding

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<v Speaker 2>the haystack. Like they can't even find the haystack. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and so that wow stuck with me. But we're now

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<v Speaker 2>in SVU, that's where we're at, and a woman is

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<v Speaker 2>being choked close up with a bunch of candles behind her,

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<v Speaker 2>and we turned to a ginger bearded man and I

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<v Speaker 2>thought it was going to be a movie shooting trope.

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<v Speaker 3>Start. I was wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>The bitch is choking herself in a game of charades.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's that's the gag of it.

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<v Speaker 1>All yesterday, Rosie goes, let's play charades, and Jared goes, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and she goes, and he goes, No charades is quiet,

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<v Speaker 1>she goes, this charade is loud.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like you are the craziest. So what was her charade?

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<v Speaker 1>She made up this animal called like a paploma or something,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's an animal that screams.

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<v Speaker 3>So she was being that.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder what it looks like. You should have made

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<v Speaker 2>her draw She's drawn it. She's drawn it. We have

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<v Speaker 2>what does it look like? I mean, it looks like

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<v Speaker 2>a kid who just learned how to draw shapes. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like it's crazy. She has it drawn on a tiny

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<v Speaker 2>little easel canvas. I'll take a picture of it and

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<v Speaker 2>I'll show it to you. But is it on Instagram?

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<v Speaker 2>But is it named after Paloma the Cocktail?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, no, it's not a pimp. It's like a pimp.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a pine pinopola or something like.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>She made up the name and it's escaping me right now.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's what her charade was. Her lauxurie so cute.

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<v Speaker 2>So the beard, the ginger beard, is guessing. We open

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<v Speaker 2>up on a whole gaggle of people and they're shouting

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<v Speaker 2>out guesses. One of the women is like, wait, fuck,

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<v Speaker 2>did you hear something? And everyone's like, shut up, you

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<v Speaker 2>dumb bitch. But she walks to another room to check

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<v Speaker 2>what she heard. As they keep playing. She walks into

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<v Speaker 2>a baby's room and the window is open and you

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<v Speaker 2>know the mobile, the mobile.

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<v Speaker 3>What is it? Mobile mobile?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, is swinging. I used to love making those in school.

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<v Speaker 2>That was like my favorite project. It's swinging. And she

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<v Speaker 2>checks the crib and oh no, the baby is gone.

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<v Speaker 2>She screams, Garrett, Garrett. We cut to Mike Doyle aka

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<v Speaker 2>o'haller and friend of the pod, and he's filling in

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<v Speaker 2>Maloney in the halls. So the baby is Kendall Kazlowski,

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<v Speaker 2>thirteen months. The mother put him down at six and

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<v Speaker 2>the baby is missing at ten when she checked on him,

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<v Speaker 2>the window is open, but there are the window has

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<v Speaker 2>no locks and there's no fingerprints. Maloney asks if there

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<v Speaker 2>are any videos or witnesses. Nothing so far, and he's like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>find me something. It's like, honey, they're on it. So

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<v Speaker 2>Maloney approaches the couple who's holding each other stressed. She

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<v Speaker 2>asks if there's any news, and he sadly says no.

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<v Speaker 2>He asks to see the photo of the baby, and

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<v Speaker 2>the photo is cute, and she's like a mess. She's

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<v Speaker 2>staring into the distance. I'll never see my baby again. Wildly.

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<v Speaker 2>All the candles still lit, still glowing. No one blew

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<v Speaker 2>them out. So many candles, so it's really a candle.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a seance. Maloney says, we're doing everything we can

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<v Speaker 2>to find your son, and she responds, I know who

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<v Speaker 2>took him, Dan Kozlowski, my ex husband. Done done credits.

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<v Speaker 2>We open back up and we got a Craigan and Maloney.

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<v Speaker 2>We're walking, we're talking. It's a busy workroom. The wrap

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<v Speaker 2>sheet came back and Dan has some burglary possession of

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<v Speaker 2>stolen property. The mom is squeaky clean, so he walks

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<v Speaker 2>in and asks uh as bangs Benson, which means she

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<v Speaker 2>has bangs at the moment.

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<v Speaker 3>If she can help in an interview.

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<v Speaker 2>She says yes, please, and Craigan says no, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>leave the desk until you review every paper on the

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<v Speaker 2>Judkins appeal. So Stabler's like please, like I need help,

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<v Speaker 2>and Craigan's like, no, shut up, save it and sends

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<v Speaker 2>Elliott in alone, and I don't get why she's in

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<v Speaker 2>trouble and on desk duty. And I kept being like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>this is around the brother's DNA this and that, but

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<v Speaker 2>that happens towards the end of this episode. So I

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<v Speaker 2>don't understand why she's on desk duty. Obviously this is

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<v Speaker 2>like around the time she had a baby or something.

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<v Speaker 3>But what's going on here?

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<v Speaker 6>Like loophole you said was two episodes before the episode

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<v Speaker 6>right before maybe she just went I'm sure she's went

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<v Speaker 6>again ahead, I'm telling you she didn't do Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>No, well loophole she gets like almost fucking carbon monoxideed

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<v Speaker 1>to death.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But then at the end of that episode, they march

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<v Speaker 2>on into a big wigs office to demand no insurance money. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so she's up and kicking. The next one is the

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<v Speaker 2>Princess Bride guy. You know, he's like the defense attorney

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<v Speaker 2>for gangs and stuff. Yeah, and the son like sees

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<v Speaker 2>who kills So like, she doesn't do anything shady. The

0:22:22.800 --> 0:22:25.680
<v Speaker 2>brother she does something shady at the end of this episode,

0:22:26.400 --> 0:22:29.040
<v Speaker 2>So I don't or maybe she really just has a

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<v Speaker 2>ton of paperwork for this case, but I don't get it.

0:22:33.440 --> 0:22:36.320
<v Speaker 1>Says also there's the episode dependent is the one right

0:22:36.359 --> 0:22:39.320
<v Speaker 1>before this, and it's where they question a confused young

0:22:39.359 --> 0:22:41.520
<v Speaker 1>woman about an attack on her parents and Stabler puts

0:22:41.520 --> 0:22:43.280
<v Speaker 1>his career on the line when he goes too far.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not her, I know, That's what I mean. I

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<v Speaker 1>really so weird. All right, Well, I'm sure everyone will.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell us because if it's her, like if it's her

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<v Speaker 2>having a baby or whatnot, then they could.

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<v Speaker 3>Have I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>But also this episode there's no Munch and there's no

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<v Speaker 2>Fit in this whole episode. Yeah, it's a Craigan maloney

0:23:05.600 --> 0:23:08.800
<v Speaker 2>so like it was it passover. I like, I don't

0:23:08.920 --> 0:23:10.960
<v Speaker 2>understand how everyone was.

0:23:11.119 --> 0:23:14.639
<v Speaker 1>The episodes are so like standalone that it's weird that

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<v Speaker 1>they wouldn't even like put a reference to what it

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<v Speaker 1>is that she's doing wrong or done what she's in

0:23:19.680 --> 0:23:20.720
<v Speaker 1>trouble for, or.

0:23:20.680 --> 0:23:22.719
<v Speaker 2>Maybe this was this huge case she has to do

0:23:22.720 --> 0:23:26.240
<v Speaker 2>paperwork for. But they should have made it more clear.

0:23:26.560 --> 0:23:29.080
<v Speaker 2>But also the fact that Munch and Finn are not

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<v Speaker 2>going to be in this episode at all, not even

0:23:31.400 --> 0:23:35.959
<v Speaker 2>not even like go do desk duty zero, It's it's wild.

0:23:36.080 --> 0:23:39.320
<v Speaker 2>We never really see Craigan out and about maybe Dan

0:23:39.400 --> 0:23:41.720
<v Speaker 2>Floric was like, I'm sick of being a crossing guard.

0:23:41.800 --> 0:23:42.639
<v Speaker 3>I need to work.

0:23:42.720 --> 0:23:42.919
<v Speaker 4>You know.

0:23:43.160 --> 0:23:47.320
<v Speaker 2>Maybe he was demanding some more fun, but whatever, we're back.

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<v Speaker 2>So Maloney's in there with the mom with Ashley Williams,

0:23:50.600 --> 0:23:56.880
<v Speaker 2>and Ashley Williams is smoking a cigarette inside. So okay, yeah,

0:23:57.440 --> 0:24:02.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm obsessed, obsessed, but her child is missing. Elliott right

0:24:02.080 --> 0:24:04.080
<v Speaker 2>away asks if she has any idea where her ex

0:24:04.160 --> 0:24:06.560
<v Speaker 2>husband could be, and she's like, check the nearest. Oh,

0:24:06.520 --> 0:24:10.240
<v Speaker 2>t he'd be. He's a compulsive better. So they were

0:24:10.240 --> 0:24:12.880
<v Speaker 2>together one year, nine months and three days. She says

0:24:12.880 --> 0:24:16.200
<v Speaker 2>marrying him was the worst mistake of her life. Stablor's

0:24:16.240 --> 0:24:18.200
<v Speaker 2>kind of a dick and says, why did you do it?

0:24:18.400 --> 0:24:18.720
<v Speaker 3>Rude?

0:24:19.400 --> 0:24:22.320
<v Speaker 2>He does need Olivia in there. She got pregnant. She

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<v Speaker 2>didn't want to raise a child alone. She did think

0:24:24.800 --> 0:24:26.600
<v Speaker 2>Dan would be a good father, and he was for

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<v Speaker 2>a bit, but he just loved the tracks. Maxing out

0:24:29.600 --> 0:24:32.199
<v Speaker 2>her credit cards and then he casts out all the

0:24:32.240 --> 0:24:36.800
<v Speaker 2>bonds her mom bought for Kendall. So he contacted her

0:24:36.880 --> 0:24:39.280
<v Speaker 2>last week desperate for money. She didn't have any. He

0:24:39.320 --> 0:24:42.480
<v Speaker 2>asked to call her parents and ask for money. Okay, lol.

0:24:43.320 --> 0:24:45.160
<v Speaker 2>She told him to piss off. And he told her

0:24:45.240 --> 0:24:48.719
<v Speaker 2>she would be sorry. Stabler stares at her and says

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<v Speaker 2>nothing again. Can we please get live in there? She

0:24:53.840 --> 0:24:57.080
<v Speaker 2>her child is missing. She gets panicked with his silence

0:24:57.119 --> 0:24:58.960
<v Speaker 2>and is like, fuck, do you think he'd hurt Kendall

0:24:59.040 --> 0:25:01.160
<v Speaker 2>to get back at me? He asks if he's ever

0:25:01.560 --> 0:25:04.800
<v Speaker 2>been violent before, and she's like, only with walls and furniture.

0:25:05.520 --> 0:25:08.600
<v Speaker 2>So knock at the door highway has got him high

0:25:08.600 --> 0:25:11.600
<v Speaker 2>speed chase. Maloney runs off. A bunch of cop cars

0:25:11.640 --> 0:25:13.560
<v Speaker 2>surround him and he's running to the river with a

0:25:13.560 --> 0:25:16.840
<v Speaker 2>big bag, and Maloney is like, please, it's cool, it's cool,

0:25:16.840 --> 0:25:19.399
<v Speaker 2>be cool, but damn, don't be all like uncool.

0:25:21.200 --> 0:25:22.919
<v Speaker 3>If you get it, you get if you know, you know.

0:25:24.320 --> 0:25:26.679
<v Speaker 2>But he throws the If you don't know, it's Louandela's

0:25:26.760 --> 0:25:28.320
<v Speaker 2>ups from Office of New York.

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<v Speaker 3>And if you don't know, we're also gonna tell you.

0:25:32.520 --> 0:25:32.680
<v Speaker 6>Who.

0:25:32.760 --> 0:25:35.359
<v Speaker 2>He throws the bag in the water. Maloney screams no.

0:25:36.240 --> 0:25:39.880
<v Speaker 2>Maloney jumps in. It's dark as hell were other cops

0:25:39.920 --> 0:25:41.280
<v Speaker 2>scream to ems.

0:25:40.880 --> 0:25:42.200
<v Speaker 3>There's a baby in the water.

0:25:42.840 --> 0:25:45.320
<v Speaker 2>He can't find a bag in the river since it's

0:25:45.359 --> 0:25:49.840
<v Speaker 2>pitch black, so Maloney is now stopping wet grabbing Pablo

0:25:49.920 --> 0:25:52.760
<v Speaker 2>Shriber by the neck, going what that was your son?

0:25:52.840 --> 0:25:55.680
<v Speaker 2>And he's like what wait, what about my son? Maloney

0:25:55.760 --> 0:25:58.520
<v Speaker 2>is shirtless, by the way, and with a towel over

0:25:58.600 --> 0:26:02.160
<v Speaker 2>his neck, so this is fun. A Uni tells Maloney

0:26:02.160 --> 0:26:04.600
<v Speaker 2>they got something. He walks to the bag. It's not

0:26:04.720 --> 0:26:08.800
<v Speaker 2>a baby, it's cocaine eight kilos Pablo, But why wouldn't

0:26:08.800 --> 0:26:11.000
<v Speaker 2>Pablo just be like, that's my son is not in

0:26:11.000 --> 0:26:15.280
<v Speaker 2>that bag? Yeah, Pablo now is an interrogation and he's

0:26:15.280 --> 0:26:18.720
<v Speaker 2>claiming he doesn't know where his son is. So he's like, fine,

0:26:18.760 --> 0:26:20.879
<v Speaker 2>tell me about the drugs. And Maloney accuses him of

0:26:20.920 --> 0:26:24.760
<v Speaker 2>selling his kid for drugs. So wow, he says he

0:26:24.760 --> 0:26:27.040
<v Speaker 2>would never do that, and I do believe him. So

0:26:27.280 --> 0:26:30.200
<v Speaker 2>Maloney's like, fine, where were you last night? Why the coke?

0:26:30.640 --> 0:26:32.960
<v Speaker 2>He's scratching the back of his neck, not wanting to talk.

0:26:33.040 --> 0:26:35.600
<v Speaker 2>Maloney gets frustrated, gets in his face and straight up

0:26:35.720 --> 0:26:37.960
<v Speaker 2>is like, you say you care about your son, stop

0:26:38.000 --> 0:26:40.199
<v Speaker 2>trying to cover your own ass and start helping me

0:26:40.280 --> 0:26:43.880
<v Speaker 2>find your boy. What were you doing last night? And why?

0:26:44.200 --> 0:26:47.040
<v Speaker 2>He yells again, what were you doing? Then says yeah,

0:26:47.080 --> 0:26:49.840
<v Speaker 2>you love your kid, sarcastically and so finally he talks.

0:26:49.880 --> 0:26:52.280
<v Speaker 2>He admits that he was playing the ponies. So after

0:26:52.400 --> 0:26:54.840
<v Speaker 2>Laura threw him out, it got really bad, and so

0:26:54.920 --> 0:26:56.680
<v Speaker 2>his book he sold all his debt to a drug

0:26:56.680 --> 0:27:00.840
<v Speaker 2>dealer who needed a mule. Maloney's like, why would he

0:27:00.960 --> 0:27:04.280
<v Speaker 2>trusts the gut a gambling addict, and like why would

0:27:04.280 --> 0:27:06.960
<v Speaker 2>you trust him with so much coke? And He's like, well,

0:27:06.960 --> 0:27:10.240
<v Speaker 2>you threatened to murder my family. Are you new here, detective?

0:27:10.680 --> 0:27:13.400
<v Speaker 2>And then he's like, oh, fuck, you got to give

0:27:13.440 --> 0:27:14.200
<v Speaker 2>me back the coke.

0:27:14.280 --> 0:27:14.679
<v Speaker 3>You have to.

0:27:14.720 --> 0:27:16.399
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I have to make this delivery. If

0:27:16.440 --> 0:27:18.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't make the delivery, they're gonna kill my son. A.

0:27:19.000 --> 0:27:21.760
<v Speaker 2>Maloney's like, we're not giving you the drugs back.

0:27:21.880 --> 0:27:22.600
<v Speaker 3>Are you knew?

0:27:23.040 --> 0:27:23.119
<v Speaker 4>Like?

0:27:24.240 --> 0:27:26.520
<v Speaker 3>And then Maloney's like, tell me where you know?

0:27:26.560 --> 0:27:29.159
<v Speaker 2>Bernardo is last chance and he holds the coke in

0:27:29.200 --> 0:27:31.280
<v Speaker 2>his hand, and right as he is about to talk,

0:27:31.359 --> 0:27:34.600
<v Speaker 2>Pablo caves and I mean about to walk, not talk,

0:27:34.880 --> 0:27:38.000
<v Speaker 2>And Pablo caves and says in his in his stash

0:27:38.000 --> 0:27:38.600
<v Speaker 2>house in the.

0:27:38.520 --> 0:27:39.840
<v Speaker 3>Bronx, And then there's a raid.

0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:43.960
<v Speaker 2>People in bras no shirts with masks working in the

0:27:44.000 --> 0:27:47.520
<v Speaker 2>cocaine factory and is this for safety or so no

0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:50.280
<v Speaker 2>one steals the drugs. I think it's honestly, so you

0:27:50.320 --> 0:27:53.080
<v Speaker 2>don't like inhale cocaine and get fucked up, not the

0:27:53.160 --> 0:27:54.560
<v Speaker 2>masks nakedness.

0:27:55.520 --> 0:27:57.280
<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, I think that's about theft.

0:27:57.520 --> 0:28:03.040
<v Speaker 2>Yes, sorry, dealer is just well yeah, this isn't Cocaine Bear.

0:28:03.400 --> 0:28:05.760
<v Speaker 1>Was obsessed in Cocaine Bear when the kids were like,

0:28:06.119 --> 0:28:07.119
<v Speaker 1>I've done cocaine?

0:28:07.160 --> 0:28:10.000
<v Speaker 3>Have you done cocaine? And then they just eat cocaine

0:28:10.040 --> 0:28:11.960
<v Speaker 3>and it tastes so bad.

0:28:12.720 --> 0:28:16.159
<v Speaker 2>Cocaine Bear like when the coke is going into like

0:28:16.840 --> 0:28:20.399
<v Speaker 2>the cocaine Bear is so expressive and he reminds me

0:28:20.600 --> 0:28:23.200
<v Speaker 2>of Deep Blue Sea. Were you into that movie? Were

0:28:23.200 --> 0:28:27.679
<v Speaker 2>the smart sharks? I never saw that? Oh we should

0:28:27.720 --> 0:28:31.440
<v Speaker 2>watch that. Deep Blue Sea is like llll cool Jay

0:28:31.840 --> 0:28:35.120
<v Speaker 2>and a big crew of people, but it's like extra

0:28:35.200 --> 0:28:38.400
<v Speaker 2>smart sharks in like scary.

0:28:38.560 --> 0:28:43.320
<v Speaker 3>It's like, you know, did you see Megalodon? The meg? Yeah?

0:28:43.480 --> 0:28:46.720
<v Speaker 3>Meg No? Oh see, I really love that genre.

0:28:46.760 --> 0:28:51.640
<v Speaker 2>I think X like like really smart sharper predators just

0:28:51.680 --> 0:28:53.600
<v Speaker 2>like yeah, yeah, super predators.

0:28:53.640 --> 0:28:54.640
<v Speaker 3>I think I'm into.

0:28:56.440 --> 0:28:59.560
<v Speaker 2>But anyways, yeah, if you know any fun shark movies,

0:28:59.760 --> 0:29:03.480
<v Speaker 2>I think I like it. It is upsetting my shark

0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:06.160
<v Speaker 2>tattoo does not have sharp teeth. Okay, so the cocaine

0:29:06.160 --> 0:29:09.800
<v Speaker 2>factory gets you know, I would say exploited, but rated.

0:29:10.400 --> 0:29:13.320
<v Speaker 2>The dealer just says, lawyer, lawyer, he's a pro. And

0:29:13.360 --> 0:29:15.800
<v Speaker 2>then Maloney does one of my favorite lines, like there's

0:29:15.960 --> 0:29:19.640
<v Speaker 2>so much blow here. Your parole officer hasn't even been

0:29:19.760 --> 0:29:22.120
<v Speaker 2>born yet. But maybe I can put in a good

0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:24.120
<v Speaker 2>word with the judge if you tell me about Dan.

0:29:24.200 --> 0:29:26.400
<v Speaker 2>And he's like, oh, Dan, that's the little punk who

0:29:26.480 --> 0:29:27.080
<v Speaker 2>gave me up.

0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:31.120
<v Speaker 3>But the boy is not here, and then.

0:29:31.000 --> 0:29:34.440
<v Speaker 2>A RoboCop dressed officer relays that the dealer is like,

0:29:34.600 --> 0:29:37.680
<v Speaker 2>no kids, I don't fuck with kids. Ammonia's like, listen,

0:29:37.760 --> 0:29:39.920
<v Speaker 2>it's your lucky day. I don't care about your cocaine.

0:29:39.960 --> 0:29:41.760
<v Speaker 2>I only care about the boy. And he's like, I

0:29:41.800 --> 0:29:44.880
<v Speaker 2>don't do kids. Like leave me alone. He asks if

0:29:44.920 --> 0:29:46.720
<v Speaker 2>white Dan was at the house last night, and he

0:29:46.760 --> 0:29:49.400
<v Speaker 2>confirms that he was. The count was off, so they

0:29:49.400 --> 0:29:53.440
<v Speaker 2>were redoing the packaging until ten pm, so Maloney has

0:29:53.440 --> 0:29:56.040
<v Speaker 2>to tell the mom that it was not Dan Kazlowski.

0:29:56.680 --> 0:29:59.560
<v Speaker 2>So since the cops don't care about the coke, like,

0:29:59.560 --> 0:30:02.120
<v Speaker 2>do you think the drug dealer lets Dan go or like,

0:30:02.280 --> 0:30:05.080
<v Speaker 2>is he about to get beaten up by the drug dealers?

0:30:05.360 --> 0:30:08.440
<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean? Yeah, I don't know how

0:30:08.520 --> 0:30:11.920
<v Speaker 3>he settles all that, or they empathetic because it's like, okay,

0:30:11.960 --> 0:30:12.520
<v Speaker 3>your son.

0:30:12.440 --> 0:30:15.320
<v Speaker 1>Is missing, Like I don't think drug dealers, I don't.

0:30:15.400 --> 0:30:17.160
<v Speaker 1>I think drug dealers were like, where's my coke?

0:30:17.200 --> 0:30:21.160
<v Speaker 3>They don't care about your kid? Yeah? All right. So

0:30:21.200 --> 0:30:23.160
<v Speaker 3>he's like, okay, help me out here.

0:30:23.200 --> 0:30:25.720
<v Speaker 2>Have you noticed anyone paying extra attention to you or

0:30:25.840 --> 0:30:28.440
<v Speaker 2>Kendall recently? And she's like, yes, actually I felt someone

0:30:28.520 --> 0:30:30.680
<v Speaker 2>was watching me. She would turn around and no one

0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:32.760
<v Speaker 2>would be there. Sometimes a car would take, you know,

0:30:32.840 --> 0:30:36.240
<v Speaker 2>turn disappear the corner. She thought she was paranoid or

0:30:36.240 --> 0:30:39.080
<v Speaker 2>it was Dan. So she recaps her day from the

0:30:39.160 --> 0:30:40.480
<v Speaker 2>day before he went missing.

0:30:40.800 --> 0:30:42.040
<v Speaker 3>She took Kendall to the park.

0:30:42.080 --> 0:30:44.000
<v Speaker 2>It started to rain, so they went to the movies,

0:30:44.040 --> 0:30:47.200
<v Speaker 2>and then she picked up party snacks. So she makes

0:30:47.200 --> 0:30:49.400
<v Speaker 2>a list of all the places and people from Maloney,

0:30:49.640 --> 0:30:52.240
<v Speaker 2>Craign and Maloney talk to a movie theater worker who

0:30:52.280 --> 0:30:54.320
<v Speaker 2>remembers her, and he's like, you rip tickets all day.

0:30:54.320 --> 0:30:55.280
<v Speaker 3>Why do you remember her?

0:30:55.680 --> 0:30:57.760
<v Speaker 2>And she's like, well, I said, you know, no noise

0:30:57.840 --> 0:30:59.920
<v Speaker 2>baby policy if your baby acts up, you're at it

0:30:59.920 --> 0:31:02.440
<v Speaker 2>here no refund. But the kid slept through the whole

0:31:02.480 --> 0:31:06.080
<v Speaker 2>movie and she didn't notice anybody giving the baby attention

0:31:06.200 --> 0:31:09.240
<v Speaker 2>or anything like that, and she's like, I actually didn't

0:31:09.240 --> 0:31:11.120
<v Speaker 2>even see the baby. She had one of those plastic

0:31:11.160 --> 0:31:13.479
<v Speaker 2>covers over it. And that's how I like babies, not

0:31:13.560 --> 0:31:16.160
<v Speaker 2>seen or heard. So now they go talk to the

0:31:16.160 --> 0:31:18.520
<v Speaker 2>babysitter and he's like, oh, that's a quiet baby.

0:31:18.560 --> 0:31:20.200
<v Speaker 3>That's the only reason I read the babysit.

0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:22.959
<v Speaker 2>And they're like, why did you need a babysit and

0:31:23.000 --> 0:31:25.200
<v Speaker 2>he goes, well, Laura went to get food and wine

0:31:25.200 --> 0:31:27.560
<v Speaker 2>for the party, so I came down to help. Craigan

0:31:27.560 --> 0:31:29.800
<v Speaker 2>asked about the window. Was it open, and he's like,

0:31:29.840 --> 0:31:31.880
<v Speaker 2>I actually never went in there. The baby was napping

0:31:32.440 --> 0:31:34.680
<v Speaker 2>and Laura didn't want me to wake him up. So

0:31:35.000 --> 0:31:37.040
<v Speaker 2>they go outside and they're like, okay, the baby isn

0:31:37.120 --> 0:31:39.120
<v Speaker 2>goes so nobody saw the baby. So then they're like, wait,

0:31:39.160 --> 0:31:42.040
<v Speaker 2>what's the last verified sighting of the baby. Maloney says

0:31:42.040 --> 0:31:44.240
<v Speaker 2>Friday afternoon when she picked him up from the babysitter

0:31:44.280 --> 0:31:46.600
<v Speaker 2>at five pm, and no one ever saw the baby again,

0:31:47.160 --> 0:31:50.480
<v Speaker 2>and I mean ever really until you know, she called

0:31:50.560 --> 0:31:53.280
<v Speaker 2>nine one one Saturday night, so we only have Laura's

0:31:53.360 --> 0:31:55.600
<v Speaker 2>word that the baby was alive. And well, so now

0:31:55.600 --> 0:31:59.840
<v Speaker 2>that the obvious conclusion is Laura killed her child. So

0:32:00.080 --> 0:32:02.840
<v Speaker 2>we're back in the baby's room. They're rechecking for new

0:32:02.880 --> 0:32:05.040
<v Speaker 2>evidence and the mom is like, you've already done all

0:32:05.040 --> 0:32:05.640
<v Speaker 2>this bullshit.

0:32:05.680 --> 0:32:06.440
<v Speaker 3>Why are you here?

0:32:06.840 --> 0:32:09.840
<v Speaker 2>You should be out there, that's more productive, and Maloney's like,

0:32:09.880 --> 0:32:12.120
<v Speaker 2>whatever happens started here, we got to make sure we

0:32:12.160 --> 0:32:14.680
<v Speaker 2>don't miss anything. And then she starts yelling like what

0:32:14.720 --> 0:32:16.680
<v Speaker 2>the fuck are you doing to my carpet? What are

0:32:16.680 --> 0:32:19.280
<v Speaker 2>you doing to my house? And Maloney's like, wrong question, lady.

0:32:19.520 --> 0:32:21.880
<v Speaker 2>A mother with a missing child would ask what more

0:32:21.920 --> 0:32:25.360
<v Speaker 2>she could do to help not impede the investigation. Dramatic

0:32:25.440 --> 0:32:28.320
<v Speaker 2>music plays. She gets what's being implied and she says,

0:32:28.400 --> 0:32:31.120
<v Speaker 2>I'll get out of your way and walks off. Craigan

0:32:31.160 --> 0:32:34.120
<v Speaker 2>asks what's your read and Maloney says, well, she went ballistic,

0:32:34.160 --> 0:32:37.680
<v Speaker 2>which is so sexist. She did not go ballistic, like

0:32:38.160 --> 0:32:41.560
<v Speaker 2>barely ballistic. Her child is missing, like she's allowed to

0:32:41.560 --> 0:32:44.360
<v Speaker 2>be a little emotional. Oh, Hallarin runs in and says,

0:32:44.400 --> 0:32:47.360
<v Speaker 2>I got something in the trash. They find baby sweaters

0:32:47.400 --> 0:32:51.000
<v Speaker 2>of Kendles, toys, blankets, and Maloney's like wow, dumped everything.

0:32:51.800 --> 0:32:55.040
<v Speaker 2>And then they're like, fuck is that blood on the blanket?

0:32:55.320 --> 0:32:59.520
<v Speaker 2>And now there's a sonogram. So Stable and Craigan walk

0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:01.680
<v Speaker 2>the streets talking shit. Well do you have a baby

0:33:02.800 --> 0:33:05.720
<v Speaker 2>book or scrap book? What do you do a box?

0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:06.840
<v Speaker 2>What do you keep baby shitting?

0:33:07.400 --> 0:33:08.720
<v Speaker 3>No?

0:33:08.720 --> 0:33:13.480
<v Speaker 1>No, I have the sonograms in my bedside table. I

0:33:13.520 --> 0:33:16.840
<v Speaker 1>don't have, like, I don't really have like a scrap book.

0:33:17.120 --> 0:33:19.080
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to make albums for every year of their

0:33:19.120 --> 0:33:20.920
<v Speaker 1>lives and I haven't done it yet, and Rosie's going

0:33:20.960 --> 0:33:22.680
<v Speaker 1>to be four and two weeks, so I'm behind.

0:33:22.880 --> 0:33:25.240
<v Speaker 2>Well, I know you keep every little card and stuff,

0:33:25.280 --> 0:33:27.520
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I do keep their teeth.

0:33:27.560 --> 0:33:27.959
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:33:28.160 --> 0:33:30.760
<v Speaker 1>Well, they haven't lost any yet, but I probably will. Yeah,

0:33:30.880 --> 0:33:32.960
<v Speaker 1>I probably will. I didn't get to keep the sliver

0:33:33.080 --> 0:33:35.760
<v Speaker 1>of oscars chip tooth that fell when he fell out

0:33:35.800 --> 0:33:36.640
<v Speaker 1>of his white chair.

0:33:38.720 --> 0:33:42.160
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know why that shivers got it.

0:33:42.680 --> 0:33:43.840
<v Speaker 3>It's not where he would feel it.

0:33:43.840 --> 0:33:47.560
<v Speaker 2>It's like, so, Stabler and Craigan walk the streets talking

0:33:47.600 --> 0:33:50.240
<v Speaker 2>shit while Stabler has a box of baby goods under

0:33:50.240 --> 0:33:54.440
<v Speaker 2>his arm, and they see some press and it's Cindy Marino,

0:33:55.480 --> 0:33:58.880
<v Speaker 2>who he calls the poor man's Giraldo, which is funny

0:33:58.880 --> 0:34:02.520
<v Speaker 2>because Giraldo is not for the rich, you know, he's Heroldo. Yeah,

0:34:02.560 --> 0:34:06.840
<v Speaker 2>Heraldo Heraldo. It felt wrong but I didn't know how.

0:34:07.200 --> 0:34:10.600
<v Speaker 2>But also Heraldo is like the poor man's Oprah. Everyone's

0:34:10.640 --> 0:34:13.200
<v Speaker 2>the poor man's Opra, Like yeah, it's like Heraldo is

0:34:13.239 --> 0:34:17.040
<v Speaker 2>the poor man's Heraldo. Heraldo's not for anybody high level. No,

0:34:18.320 --> 0:34:23.680
<v Speaker 2>but Cindy Marino, Cindy mo Wait, oh, I was Wendy Morino.

0:34:23.840 --> 0:34:26.239
<v Speaker 2>That was my character when I would go to law

0:34:26.280 --> 0:34:30.880
<v Speaker 2>schools and pretend to be a UPS employee that was

0:34:30.920 --> 0:34:31.800
<v Speaker 2>sexually harassed.

0:34:32.280 --> 0:34:34.680
<v Speaker 3>I was like, that name is like hitting me in

0:34:35.000 --> 0:34:37.319
<v Speaker 3>like in my heart. I love that.

0:34:38.239 --> 0:34:42.640
<v Speaker 2>So they're like, oh, it's your favorite, you know, so whatever.

0:34:42.680 --> 0:34:45.080
<v Speaker 2>Cindy Marina wants juice and they're like, well it's your favorite.

0:34:45.080 --> 0:34:48.080
<v Speaker 2>A grieving mother you love writing more than news.

0:34:48.160 --> 0:34:50.919
<v Speaker 3>Huh. They don't respect her. She's like, come on, give

0:34:50.960 --> 0:34:51.640
<v Speaker 3>me something.

0:34:51.719 --> 0:34:55.000
<v Speaker 2>She's a crackhead first sad news, and Maloney says, I

0:34:55.040 --> 0:34:57.640
<v Speaker 2>wonder how the baby's sonogram wound up in the garbage.

0:34:58.040 --> 0:35:01.760
<v Speaker 2>Her gold hoops ass smile Maloney is now at Melinda

0:35:01.800 --> 0:35:05.480
<v Speaker 2>Warner's asking for some science based evidence, but she's not

0:35:05.560 --> 0:35:08.440
<v Speaker 2>finding anything from the goods. But it's not blood, it's

0:35:08.480 --> 0:35:11.040
<v Speaker 2>strained peaches and she knows that from experience.

0:35:11.480 --> 0:35:13.239
<v Speaker 3>So wow, she has kids. I don't know if we've

0:35:13.280 --> 0:35:14.080
<v Speaker 3>ever known that or.

0:35:14.120 --> 0:35:16.760
<v Speaker 1>Ever talked about that too. I was like, Oh, Melinda

0:35:16.800 --> 0:35:21.480
<v Speaker 1>has a daughter. I just didn't never mentioned again before.

0:35:21.440 --> 0:35:24.640
<v Speaker 2>Ever just about the strained peaches, like has a dog

0:35:24.719 --> 0:35:28.560
<v Speaker 2>named Pete, Pete. She has a husband, well the husband

0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:30.920
<v Speaker 2>she mentions a few times, but I'm just saying, like

0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:33.759
<v Speaker 2>we've had holiday dinners at the house, like we've had

0:35:34.120 --> 0:35:37.840
<v Speaker 2>teen daughters dead on her slabs, like never mentioned, but

0:35:38.600 --> 0:35:39.759
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden right now.

0:35:39.760 --> 0:35:42.560
<v Speaker 1>There is also like how many problems has Ken had?

0:35:42.600 --> 0:35:46.240
<v Speaker 1>How many problems has like Dicky and the Stabler kids.

0:35:46.320 --> 0:35:49.319
<v Speaker 1>We can't get we can't get Melinda Warner's daughter in

0:35:49.400 --> 0:35:51.640
<v Speaker 1>with like one issue, like a friend got attacked at

0:35:51.640 --> 0:35:52.040
<v Speaker 1>a party.

0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:53.759
<v Speaker 3>Let's get her in here, let's cast her.

0:35:53.920 --> 0:35:56.319
<v Speaker 2>We know that her sister worked at SAX and we

0:35:56.760 --> 0:35:59.120
<v Speaker 2>know the only thing we know about Melinda's daughter is

0:35:59.120 --> 0:36:03.359
<v Speaker 2>she ate strained peace as a baby house to them,

0:36:03.440 --> 0:36:05.360
<v Speaker 2>loved him. We don't even know where she went to.

0:36:05.640 --> 0:36:07.560
<v Speaker 2>She could have just been like, oh, my girl goes

0:36:07.600 --> 0:36:10.360
<v Speaker 2>to Hudson, like yeah, I should get her a rape whistle,

0:36:10.560 --> 0:36:14.480
<v Speaker 2>like nothing. So we asks why she killed him and

0:36:14.520 --> 0:36:17.719
<v Speaker 2>she's like same old story, abuse, accident, shaken baby, you

0:36:17.760 --> 0:36:20.080
<v Speaker 2>know the drill. They decide the best thing for everyone

0:36:20.160 --> 0:36:22.200
<v Speaker 2>is for Stabler to go home and get some sleep.

0:36:22.600 --> 0:36:24.800
<v Speaker 2>Next thing we see, though, is o'haller in a corduroy

0:36:24.920 --> 0:36:26.759
<v Speaker 2>jacket throwing a ball in the air like a young,

0:36:26.800 --> 0:36:29.800
<v Speaker 2>cool teacher about to change the lives of some students,

0:36:30.480 --> 0:36:32.680
<v Speaker 2>and he's got something for Stabler. He's like, I figured

0:36:32.719 --> 0:36:35.319
<v Speaker 2>you wouldn't want to wait till morning. Several strands of

0:36:35.360 --> 0:36:37.799
<v Speaker 2>hair from a screw from the fire escape ladder and

0:36:37.840 --> 0:36:39.759
<v Speaker 2>the perp bumped his head on the way down, and

0:36:39.800 --> 0:36:40.800
<v Speaker 2>it couldn't be Laura's.

0:36:40.840 --> 0:36:42.040
<v Speaker 3>It's blonde, not brown.

0:36:42.480 --> 0:36:45.000
<v Speaker 2>Someone else was definitely on the fire escape and they're

0:36:45.000 --> 0:36:48.000
<v Speaker 2>bringing it down to Melinda. Sibler goes, eh, it could

0:36:48.040 --> 0:36:50.640
<v Speaker 2>be old, and Ryan's like, no, it can't be old.

0:36:51.080 --> 0:36:52.799
<v Speaker 2>With all the rain, there's no way it's old. This

0:36:52.840 --> 0:36:56.400
<v Speaker 2>is our first solid lead. Craigan interrupts. Cindy Marino is

0:36:56.440 --> 0:37:00.360
<v Speaker 2>on TV with an interview with Laura. We see Laura

0:37:00.360 --> 0:37:02.440
<v Speaker 2>on screen in the same green hoodie we've been seeing

0:37:02.440 --> 0:37:04.960
<v Speaker 2>her in. She says, I heard a noise when she

0:37:05.000 --> 0:37:07.480
<v Speaker 2>went to check he was gone. And then she's like,

0:37:07.560 --> 0:37:10.279
<v Speaker 2>you were drinking, you were smoking, there's wheed in the air.

0:37:10.360 --> 0:37:13.120
<v Speaker 2>You murdered your baby. And this woman starts going at

0:37:13.160 --> 0:37:16.239
<v Speaker 2>her and she's the prime suspect you through your sonogram

0:37:16.280 --> 0:37:19.480
<v Speaker 2>in the trash. You hated your baby. She's shocked. She

0:37:19.520 --> 0:37:22.520
<v Speaker 2>starts yelling, no, I loved Kendall. She kicks her out

0:37:22.560 --> 0:37:25.719
<v Speaker 2>of her house. She flips out and obviously like she

0:37:25.880 --> 0:37:27.040
<v Speaker 2>just accused her of killing.

0:37:26.880 --> 0:37:28.680
<v Speaker 3>Her own child on national television.

0:37:29.080 --> 0:37:31.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh Hallarin's like, well, who tips Cindy off about the sonogram?

0:37:31.880 --> 0:37:34.239
<v Speaker 2>And Craigan slowly turns his head towards Stabler, Who's like

0:37:34.280 --> 0:37:37.719
<v Speaker 2>I did with no guilt, Like I just really hate him.

0:37:37.719 --> 0:37:39.839
<v Speaker 3>Sometimes. He goes to visit her.

0:37:39.920 --> 0:37:43.359
<v Speaker 2>Her door's spray painted, baby killer and vandalize. He wants

0:37:43.400 --> 0:37:45.560
<v Speaker 2>to talk to her. She is not answering. He bings

0:37:46.040 --> 0:37:48.760
<v Speaker 2>on the door, It just opens, no answer. The candles

0:37:48.760 --> 0:37:52.040
<v Speaker 2>are still lit. The candles are very important to her.

0:37:52.400 --> 0:37:54.840
<v Speaker 2>The apartment is dark. He goes through the apartment, then

0:37:54.920 --> 0:37:57.440
<v Speaker 2>sees her hanging on the chandelier. She has taken her

0:37:57.520 --> 0:38:02.200
<v Speaker 2>own life with an extension cord. Thanks Stabler, great fucking work.

0:38:03.160 --> 0:38:05.799
<v Speaker 2>We're now on a busy sirens sounding crime scene, where

0:38:05.840 --> 0:38:08.799
<v Speaker 2>Craigan says that the reports that Emmy said the death

0:38:08.960 --> 0:38:12.319
<v Speaker 2>was insistantaneous and she did not suffer, and it's like,

0:38:12.480 --> 0:38:17.360
<v Speaker 2>define suffer. There was some suffering. Stabler is finally feeling guilty.

0:38:18.080 --> 0:38:19.879
<v Speaker 2>He's like, I thought she was lying to me. That's

0:38:19.880 --> 0:38:22.880
<v Speaker 2>why I stick to the reporter on her. Cragan's like,

0:38:22.960 --> 0:38:26.000
<v Speaker 2>Laura still could have killed Kendall, and Marino's back at work,

0:38:26.080 --> 0:38:28.440
<v Speaker 2>being like any note was there a confession? And he

0:38:28.480 --> 0:38:31.040
<v Speaker 2>walks to her like Frankenstein, very slow and angry, and

0:38:31.080 --> 0:38:34.000
<v Speaker 2>calls her the devil and it's like if she's.

0:38:33.800 --> 0:38:37.400
<v Speaker 3>The devil, who are you? Who are you? Who's the

0:38:37.400 --> 0:38:38.920
<v Speaker 3>Devil's little friend? That's you?

0:38:39.640 --> 0:38:42.719
<v Speaker 2>She says, I'm just doing my job. Somebody has to

0:38:42.920 --> 0:38:45.400
<v Speaker 2>somebody has to ask the tough questions. Since the cops

0:38:45.440 --> 0:38:48.160
<v Speaker 2>don't have the balls. He tries to get in her face,

0:38:48.280 --> 0:38:50.840
<v Speaker 2>Craigan holds him back. Cut to Novak and Stabler in

0:38:50.880 --> 0:38:52.920
<v Speaker 2>a walk and talk in the precinct hallways and her

0:38:52.960 --> 0:38:57.240
<v Speaker 2>hair is flowing in the wind Beyonce style, gorgeous strawberry blonde.

0:38:57.239 --> 0:38:59.960
<v Speaker 2>And she's like, you fucking knew she was enough unethical,

0:39:00.120 --> 0:39:04.200
<v Speaker 2>garbage and sleazy and knew how she operated. He's like,

0:39:04.239 --> 0:39:07.000
<v Speaker 2>I didn't mean for her to go that far. Fuck you, Elliott.

0:39:07.320 --> 0:39:10.120
<v Speaker 2>She says it's morally inexcusable, but it's not a crime,

0:39:10.160 --> 0:39:11.920
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, well tell Laura that. And it's like,

0:39:12.000 --> 0:39:15.919
<v Speaker 2>we can't, Elliott, and you are responsible. Craigan pops out.

0:39:16.160 --> 0:39:19.200
<v Speaker 2>Warner called the DNA from the hairs and the fire

0:39:19.400 --> 0:39:22.239
<v Speaker 2>fire escape are not the purps, they're Kendles. But she

0:39:22.360 --> 0:39:25.279
<v Speaker 2>ran those hairs against Pablo Schreiber's. Guess what he is

0:39:25.440 --> 0:39:28.919
<v Speaker 2>not the baby's father, Maury Dune done.

0:39:28.760 --> 0:39:32.160
<v Speaker 3>Okay, why not the father?

0:39:32.840 --> 0:39:38.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's the poor man's her Aldo, my queen.

0:39:38.960 --> 0:39:41.560
<v Speaker 3>I love Jenny Jones. She was my wheelhouse.

0:39:41.600 --> 0:39:44.319
<v Speaker 2>That was my I love Jenny Jones and Ricky Lake

0:39:44.360 --> 0:39:47.280
<v Speaker 2>the most out of anyone of the daytime talk show hosts.

0:39:47.960 --> 0:39:49.800
<v Speaker 1>And I think some people would say Jenny Jones is

0:39:49.800 --> 0:39:53.319
<v Speaker 1>a poor man's Sally Jesse Raphael, But to.

0:39:53.280 --> 0:39:57.359
<v Speaker 2>Each their own, Yeah, Sally Jesse, I would dabble in,

0:39:57.480 --> 0:40:01.239
<v Speaker 2>but Jenny, that's where the bad teens were.

0:40:01.280 --> 0:40:03.640
<v Speaker 3>And I liked the teens and I liked Rickylake a

0:40:03.680 --> 0:40:04.120
<v Speaker 3>lot too.

0:40:04.480 --> 0:40:09.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, Ricky Lake was I've like Jenny was like

0:40:09.960 --> 0:40:12.640
<v Speaker 2>I have sex for a cheeseburger like that.

0:40:13.239 --> 0:40:16.040
<v Speaker 3>I liked that, Like yeah, like bad catch me outside.

0:40:16.040 --> 0:40:19.440
<v Speaker 1>Girls were like lined up outside the block at Jenny Jones,

0:40:19.520 --> 0:40:20.640
<v Speaker 1>Like that's what was happening.

0:40:20.760 --> 0:40:23.880
<v Speaker 3>And then Ricky Lake was more like I hate my

0:40:23.920 --> 0:40:24.560
<v Speaker 3>own race.

0:40:25.920 --> 0:40:30.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh really was that it? What was Ricky Lake or Makeovers?

0:40:30.400 --> 0:40:32.640
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it was more makeover I don't remember, but I

0:40:32.960 --> 0:40:35.239
<v Speaker 2>think Ricky had some wild people on. But you know,

0:40:35.320 --> 0:40:37.400
<v Speaker 2>she was like twenty four when that show started, and

0:40:37.440 --> 0:40:39.600
<v Speaker 2>that's what twenty four year olds looked like. Like that's

0:40:39.640 --> 0:40:41.359
<v Speaker 2>the meme I saw there, Like that's what twenty four

0:40:41.440 --> 0:40:43.360
<v Speaker 2>year olds looked and dressed like in the nineties.

0:40:44.080 --> 0:40:46.680
<v Speaker 1>Wait, what was the show the talk show where a

0:40:46.719 --> 0:40:49.520
<v Speaker 1>girl was allergic to pickles and somebody like ran after

0:40:49.560 --> 0:40:51.080
<v Speaker 1>her with a pickle on the show.

0:40:50.920 --> 0:40:53.560
<v Speaker 2>You're an insane person? That is drag race. That is

0:40:53.600 --> 0:40:57.720
<v Speaker 2>a miss Cracker sketch. No, no, it is.

0:40:57.800 --> 0:41:00.359
<v Speaker 1>But yes, yes, but it's based on something else. There

0:41:00.360 --> 0:41:03.160
<v Speaker 1>was one where it was like confront your fears. Yes,

0:41:03.200 --> 0:41:05.520
<v Speaker 1>you're right, that is from drag Race, But there was

0:41:05.560 --> 0:41:07.319
<v Speaker 1>one that was like confront your fears and they like

0:41:07.440 --> 0:41:10.319
<v Speaker 1>truly ran after someone and she was freaking out on

0:41:10.360 --> 0:41:12.719
<v Speaker 1>TV and I was like, this feels wrong, Like I

0:41:12.760 --> 0:41:16.000
<v Speaker 1>wasn't laughing like I would. It is it is drag Race, No,

0:41:16.120 --> 0:41:18.719
<v Speaker 1>but I think it's based on something drag racey is

0:41:18.760 --> 0:41:20.000
<v Speaker 1>that shit case more?

0:41:20.600 --> 0:41:23.200
<v Speaker 3>He's saying it's more, Yes, who else?

0:41:23.239 --> 0:41:26.399
<v Speaker 2>And then doctor felt like Matteo Lane has a joke

0:41:26.440 --> 0:41:32.200
<v Speaker 2>where he he calls all these people Oprah's horcruxes, and

0:41:32.360 --> 0:41:35.200
<v Speaker 2>doctor Phil is one of her horre cruxes, and they're

0:41:35.239 --> 0:41:38.920
<v Speaker 2>all bad, like anyone that Oprah really endorsed ended up

0:41:38.960 --> 0:41:42.120
<v Speaker 2>being terrible, including Jenny McCarthy.

0:41:43.360 --> 0:41:46.960
<v Speaker 1>I think like I saw this article in New York

0:41:47.000 --> 0:41:49.120
<v Speaker 1>magazine one time that was like too. The cover of

0:41:49.120 --> 0:41:51.680
<v Speaker 1>it was to Oprah's sitting across from each other, and

0:41:51.719 --> 0:41:54.480
<v Speaker 1>the article was all about how like Oprah, let Suzanne

0:41:54.480 --> 0:41:57.960
<v Speaker 1>Summers come on the show and take seventy five pills

0:41:58.000 --> 0:42:00.600
<v Speaker 1>and tells people that that's okay to be taking seventy

0:42:00.600 --> 0:42:04.200
<v Speaker 1>five supplements a day when it's not like so I remember,

0:42:04.360 --> 0:42:05.839
<v Speaker 1>like that was the first time there was like a.

0:42:05.760 --> 0:42:08.799
<v Speaker 3>Crack in the Oprah like armor to me.

0:42:09.239 --> 0:42:09.640
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:42:09.800 --> 0:42:12.160
<v Speaker 2>The thing is she did she what started in the

0:42:12.200 --> 0:42:16.239
<v Speaker 2>eighties ended in the two thousands. Of course, there's gonna

0:42:16.280 --> 0:42:19.160
<v Speaker 2>be a couple of bumps in the road, yes, But

0:42:19.239 --> 0:42:21.480
<v Speaker 2>I think even in her later days, she gave platforms

0:42:21.480 --> 0:42:24.480
<v Speaker 2>to bad people with John Science, Yes.

0:42:24.480 --> 0:42:28.239
<v Speaker 3>Doctor she created. Isn't she Rachel Ray too?

0:42:29.640 --> 0:42:29.799
<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

0:42:29.840 --> 0:42:33.200
<v Speaker 3>But is Rachel Ray bad or just annoying? She's just untalented,

0:42:33.280 --> 0:42:37.479
<v Speaker 3>I think. Yeah. So we're back.

0:42:37.600 --> 0:42:42.040
<v Speaker 2>We're back from the horcrux discussion of daytime television talk shows.

0:42:42.480 --> 0:42:45.439
<v Speaker 2>So anyways, so they're all like, why didn't Laura tell

0:42:45.520 --> 0:42:48.120
<v Speaker 2>us that Dan is not the father? And they're like, well,

0:42:48.120 --> 0:42:50.520
<v Speaker 2>maybe she didn't know that, And Novak's like, well, I'm

0:42:50.520 --> 0:42:53.160
<v Speaker 2>sure the real bio daddy did know that, and he's

0:42:53.200 --> 0:42:54.240
<v Speaker 2>the one that took the baby.

0:42:54.360 --> 0:42:54.840
<v Speaker 3>So now what.

0:42:55.040 --> 0:42:57.640
<v Speaker 2>So now they go to Dan Kazlowski to find out

0:42:57.640 --> 0:43:00.399
<v Speaker 2>if he knew he was raising another man's child. And

0:43:00.760 --> 0:43:04.680
<v Speaker 2>I haven't mentioned for some strange reason, but Dan Kauzlowski

0:43:05.160 --> 0:43:08.520
<v Speaker 2>is Pablo Schreiber like this, Oh yeah, you were.

0:43:08.360 --> 0:43:10.800
<v Speaker 1>Calling him that before. But you didn't actually call attention

0:43:10.880 --> 0:43:15.440
<v Speaker 1>to it. It's Pobla aka porn's dash for Orange is

0:43:15.440 --> 0:43:17.200
<v Speaker 1>the new Black, one of the pokemon we hope to

0:43:17.239 --> 0:43:17.960
<v Speaker 1>catch one day.

0:43:18.040 --> 0:43:21.399
<v Speaker 3>But also William Lewis William Lewis.

0:43:22.120 --> 0:43:25.600
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, so he cannot He can't believe Kendall isn't his.

0:43:25.880 --> 0:43:28.480
<v Speaker 2>Everyone always said, oh he has your eyes, which proves

0:43:28.480 --> 0:43:30.919
<v Speaker 2>everyone's a fucking liar, and all your babies are ugly

0:43:31.160 --> 0:43:34.360
<v Speaker 2>except for Kara's. He asks if he has any idea

0:43:34.400 --> 0:43:37.319
<v Speaker 2>who the father could be, and he's like, well, you know,

0:43:37.480 --> 0:43:39.719
<v Speaker 2>I was hooking up with other girls. I never asked

0:43:39.719 --> 0:43:42.120
<v Speaker 2>if she was hooking up with other guys. One month

0:43:42.160 --> 0:43:44.439
<v Speaker 2>into dating, she said she was pregnant. It was mine

0:43:44.480 --> 0:43:47.440
<v Speaker 2>and that's that. Saber's like, you never doubted it, and

0:43:47.480 --> 0:43:51.080
<v Speaker 2>Pablo's like, he is mine and I like that. He says,

0:43:51.160 --> 0:43:54.200
<v Speaker 2>I love my son, and Stabler asks if Laura ever

0:43:54.280 --> 0:43:56.800
<v Speaker 2>talked about any exes, and he's like, she would have

0:43:56.960 --> 0:44:00.279
<v Speaker 2>nightmares and thrash and say, Patti, Patty, Patty, please don't

0:44:00.320 --> 0:44:02.719
<v Speaker 2>hurt me, Patty. She woke up sobbing, and when he

0:44:02.760 --> 0:44:04.319
<v Speaker 2>asked about it, she said it was an ex who

0:44:04.360 --> 0:44:06.480
<v Speaker 2>used to beat her so Stabler's like, we'll give me

0:44:06.520 --> 0:44:09.399
<v Speaker 2>more info on Patty. He says she wouldn't talk about

0:44:09.480 --> 0:44:11.240
<v Speaker 2>him and she didn't want to go to a shrink,

0:44:11.280 --> 0:44:13.560
<v Speaker 2>but maybe she did talk to Garrett about it. So

0:44:13.960 --> 0:44:19.160
<v Speaker 2>Stabler talks to Garrett, who's gay vibes. So Stabler meets

0:44:19.239 --> 0:44:21.279
<v Speaker 2>him on the streets of New York and wildly Laura

0:44:21.400 --> 0:44:22.720
<v Speaker 2>hung out with a rough crowd.

0:44:22.920 --> 0:44:25.000
<v Speaker 3>I just didn't get that vibe from her at all.

0:44:25.160 --> 0:44:29.680
<v Speaker 2>No, they're playing chandals, Yeah, just playing charades with like

0:44:29.880 --> 0:44:32.279
<v Speaker 2>a little weed and wine, like I don't know.

0:44:32.400 --> 0:44:33.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she seemed pretty wholesome.

0:44:34.360 --> 0:44:39.000
<v Speaker 2>So mostly in Attica, and Stabler asked visiting inmates and

0:44:39.040 --> 0:44:41.080
<v Speaker 2>it's actually just a bar, but that was like a

0:44:41.120 --> 0:44:44.279
<v Speaker 2>fun little thing. So it's on Avenue A and that's

0:44:44.280 --> 0:44:48.440
<v Speaker 2>where she met Patty and he was a bad boy, possessive, violent.

0:44:48.920 --> 0:44:51.400
<v Speaker 2>Patty just vanished one day and Laura told Garrett it

0:44:51.400 --> 0:44:53.960
<v Speaker 2>was because he was mixed up in a murder. She

0:44:54.080 --> 0:44:56.640
<v Speaker 2>was totally terrified he would ever come back. And why

0:44:56.719 --> 0:44:59.399
<v Speaker 2>didn't she mention it though? And Stabler is like, can

0:44:59.440 --> 0:45:02.360
<v Speaker 2>Patty be the daddy? And Garrett's like, yeah, it's so

0:45:02.520 --> 0:45:04.640
<v Speaker 2>fucking obvious, and He brought it up to Laura once

0:45:04.680 --> 0:45:06.840
<v Speaker 2>and she flipped out and said, never mention it again.

0:45:07.160 --> 0:45:10.279
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't remember Patty's last name only they only met once,

0:45:10.320 --> 0:45:12.759
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, listen with that temper, I'm sure his

0:45:12.880 --> 0:45:14.040
<v Speaker 2>dumbass is in prison.

0:45:14.520 --> 0:45:16.479
<v Speaker 3>So we're in the office. Benson's at her desk.

0:45:16.560 --> 0:45:21.080
<v Speaker 2>Ruby Morales is clickity clacking checking corrections for Patty. There's

0:45:21.320 --> 0:45:24.480
<v Speaker 2>ony three hundred and seventy two matches, and then he

0:45:24.560 --> 0:45:26.600
<v Speaker 2>narrows it down by some things and it's seven hundred

0:45:26.640 --> 0:45:28.719
<v Speaker 2>and four. And then they narrow it down and then

0:45:28.719 --> 0:45:31.920
<v Speaker 2>a dream team walks in. We got Warner Novak Superstars.

0:45:32.280 --> 0:45:34.080
<v Speaker 2>Melinda's like, you're not going to find him in there.

0:45:34.120 --> 0:45:36.920
<v Speaker 2>So I got Kendall's y chromosomes. I ran it through COTIS.

0:45:36.960 --> 0:45:39.840
<v Speaker 2>The DAD is not in there, so it's like the

0:45:39.920 --> 0:45:42.680
<v Speaker 2>DNA whatever. So the DNA is not in codis. It's

0:45:42.719 --> 0:45:45.640
<v Speaker 2>not going to match anyone that's in prison. But she

0:45:45.719 --> 0:45:50.839
<v Speaker 2>did this new thing. It's running for low DNA alleles,

0:45:50.960 --> 0:45:54.920
<v Speaker 2>which is new, but it's not gonna find the perfect match,

0:45:54.960 --> 0:45:57.480
<v Speaker 2>but he'll find a chill match. So it's not the

0:45:57.480 --> 0:46:00.440
<v Speaker 2>purp but a relation. So a cousin, a father brother.

0:46:00.920 --> 0:46:03.919
<v Speaker 2>So this is actually where Benson is like, oh interesting, wait,

0:46:03.960 --> 0:46:06.200
<v Speaker 2>you can find a family member with this kind of test,

0:46:06.960 --> 0:46:09.520
<v Speaker 2>And again, why is she at the desk? So they

0:46:09.560 --> 0:46:12.040
<v Speaker 2>throw out a net that's allowable, but Ruben is not

0:46:12.160 --> 0:46:14.640
<v Speaker 2>into this and he's like very much and he's like.

0:46:14.920 --> 0:46:17.880
<v Speaker 3>Boohoo, it's not legal. This proves nothing.

0:46:17.920 --> 0:46:21.160
<v Speaker 2>And Melinda's like it's not proof, it's an investigative tool.

0:46:21.200 --> 0:46:24.520
<v Speaker 2>And he's like it's a violation of civil liberties. You

0:46:24.560 --> 0:46:26.719
<v Speaker 2>go after me because my dad's a purp that's guilt

0:46:26.760 --> 0:46:29.720
<v Speaker 2>by association. Saylor's like, I'm more worried about a missing

0:46:29.800 --> 0:46:31.120
<v Speaker 2>kid than your civil liberties.

0:46:31.200 --> 0:46:34.320
<v Speaker 3>Let's go. Ruben turns around dejected and leaves.

0:46:34.800 --> 0:46:37.560
<v Speaker 2>Stablers asks if Casey can make this work in court,

0:46:37.560 --> 0:46:39.919
<v Speaker 2>and she says she'll try, and let's all go shake

0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:43.920
<v Speaker 2>the family tree. So with Kendall's DNA, we got nine hits.

0:46:44.400 --> 0:46:48.320
<v Speaker 2>There's George Kendall is there. So Standler's like, oh, maybe

0:46:48.920 --> 0:46:51.759
<v Speaker 2>she named Kendall after the father. Melinda's like, why would

0:46:51.800 --> 0:46:54.719
<v Speaker 2>you name the child after an abusive X And he's

0:46:54.760 --> 0:46:59.040
<v Speaker 2>like controlled doesn't end after you know the like the relationship,

0:46:59.280 --> 0:47:02.760
<v Speaker 2>does you know? The ConTroll over the victim is still had,

0:47:03.600 --> 0:47:06.560
<v Speaker 2>so we land on George Kendall. It's an old ass man,

0:47:06.719 --> 0:47:10.080
<v Speaker 2>a career armed robber, you know, serving twenty five to life.

0:47:11.280 --> 0:47:14.160
<v Speaker 2>So Stabler's visiting and playing the game for sure. He's like, oh,

0:47:14.160 --> 0:47:16.920
<v Speaker 2>we're just searching for a relative. We found a baby

0:47:16.920 --> 0:47:20.120
<v Speaker 2>whose mother just died. So this is pretty clever. And

0:47:20.160 --> 0:47:22.560
<v Speaker 2>Stable's like, you know, are you ready to be a dad?

0:47:22.600 --> 0:47:24.200
<v Speaker 2>And a guy laughs and is like, can't be me.

0:47:24.280 --> 0:47:26.840
<v Speaker 2>I never had kids. I gave the best years of

0:47:26.840 --> 0:47:29.040
<v Speaker 2>my life to the state. But they're like, so are

0:47:29.040 --> 0:47:31.239
<v Speaker 2>you related to anyone named Patty? And he's like, that's

0:47:31.239 --> 0:47:34.120
<v Speaker 2>a dumb question. We're Irish. All the boys are called

0:47:34.160 --> 0:47:38.279
<v Speaker 2>Patty and he has five brothers ancestors. Anybody has kids, uh,

0:47:38.480 --> 0:47:40.880
<v Speaker 2>one is dead, two are nuns. May have had a

0:47:40.880 --> 0:47:44.040
<v Speaker 2>couple of kids, all girls, but brother Sean, God rest

0:47:44.120 --> 0:47:46.120
<v Speaker 2>his soul, his wife Peggy had a mess of boys.

0:47:46.280 --> 0:47:48.400
<v Speaker 3>It's like, you could have just said Peggy, do you

0:47:48.480 --> 0:47:49.359
<v Speaker 3>know what I mean? Yeah?

0:47:50.640 --> 0:47:52.680
<v Speaker 2>So why are you mentioning the nuns? So they go

0:47:52.760 --> 0:47:56.200
<v Speaker 2>visit Peggy. Classic This is a classic face.

0:47:56.239 --> 0:47:59.120
<v Speaker 3>I would say. Her name is Marion Celdas.

0:47:59.160 --> 0:48:02.240
<v Speaker 2>Celdy's I'm not really sure, but she's a Tony Award

0:48:02.320 --> 0:48:05.200
<v Speaker 2>winning actress. Born in nineteen twenty eight, she did pass

0:48:05.280 --> 0:48:09.600
<v Speaker 2>in twenty fourteen, nominated for five Tony's. She won for

0:48:09.680 --> 0:48:13.359
<v Speaker 2>her first nomination for she was in Edward Alby's A

0:48:13.400 --> 0:48:17.480
<v Speaker 2>Delicate Balance. In twenty ten, she received a Tony Lifetime

0:48:17.520 --> 0:48:20.640
<v Speaker 2>Achievement Award. She has over one hundred credits. She has

0:48:20.680 --> 0:48:24.080
<v Speaker 2>a real evil vibe. Okay, I'm sure she could be kind,

0:48:24.200 --> 0:48:26.480
<v Speaker 2>but she looks like an evil bitch.

0:48:26.560 --> 0:48:26.880
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

0:48:27.400 --> 0:48:29.960
<v Speaker 2>She was BIG's mother and sex and the city in

0:48:30.000 --> 0:48:31.560
<v Speaker 2>the didn't realize that.

0:48:32.040 --> 0:48:33.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:48:33.440 --> 0:48:36.279
<v Speaker 2>I also recognize her for Mona Lisa's smile. She was

0:48:36.320 --> 0:48:39.520
<v Speaker 2>the president of the school. Is that a movie for you?

0:48:39.640 --> 0:48:40.760
<v Speaker 2>Is this another blind spot?

0:48:40.840 --> 0:48:42.839
<v Speaker 3>Care? That's a blind spot for me? Never see Mona

0:48:42.880 --> 0:48:45.319
<v Speaker 3>Lisa smile. I feel like you would love it.

0:48:45.320 --> 0:48:48.840
<v Speaker 2>It's like a woman's college education, female bonds.

0:48:48.880 --> 0:48:50.799
<v Speaker 3>You would love this. I bet I would love it.

0:48:50.880 --> 0:48:57.799
<v Speaker 2>I Julia, Jennifer Goodwin, Kristen Dunce, Michelle Williams, No, we else,

0:48:57.880 --> 0:48:58.479
<v Speaker 2>there's more.

0:48:58.640 --> 0:49:00.759
<v Speaker 3>It's star you know what it is.

0:49:00.840 --> 0:49:03.359
<v Speaker 1>It came out when I was living in Italy, so

0:49:03.600 --> 0:49:05.799
<v Speaker 1>I was like it did if it didn't come out

0:49:06.120 --> 0:49:07.680
<v Speaker 1>with like an English version in the theater.

0:49:07.840 --> 0:49:09.680
<v Speaker 2>Then I would be like, Stu, I just missed a

0:49:09.719 --> 0:49:12.640
<v Speaker 2>lot of movies that I write it down. You would

0:49:13.160 --> 0:49:17.480
<v Speaker 2>love Marcia Gay Harden of the Pod, You would love

0:49:17.560 --> 0:49:20.359
<v Speaker 2>Mona Lisa smiles, so she obviously plays a vindictive bitch

0:49:20.400 --> 0:49:24.360
<v Speaker 2>in that. And then cool because we talked to so

0:49:24.400 --> 0:49:27.400
<v Speaker 2>many people that went to Juilliard. She taught acting at

0:49:27.480 --> 0:49:32.719
<v Speaker 2>Juilliard from nineteen sixty seven to nineteen ninety one, Wow,

0:49:32.880 --> 0:49:36.040
<v Speaker 2>and then at Fordham's Lincoln Center campus from two thousand

0:49:36.080 --> 0:49:39.680
<v Speaker 2>and two on. Some of her students were Robin Williams,

0:49:39.719 --> 0:49:45.920
<v Speaker 2>Laura Lenny, Patty Lapone and so really cool and Peggy

0:49:45.920 --> 0:49:49.040
<v Speaker 2>aged not letting them in without a warrant, and he's like,

0:49:49.160 --> 0:49:51.719
<v Speaker 2>come on, we're just trying to find family from an

0:49:51.800 --> 0:49:55.000
<v Speaker 2>orphaned child. And she picks up the newspaper and the

0:49:55.080 --> 0:49:56.920
<v Speaker 2>cases on the front page and she's like, oh, is

0:49:56.960 --> 0:49:57.440
<v Speaker 2>it this one.

0:49:57.520 --> 0:49:58.359
<v Speaker 3>I'm not having it.

0:49:58.640 --> 0:50:01.799
<v Speaker 2>You're bold as brass trying to pin a kidnap and

0:50:01.880 --> 0:50:03.200
<v Speaker 2>on one of my sons.

0:50:03.520 --> 0:50:04.560
<v Speaker 3>I'm obsessed with.

0:50:04.560 --> 0:50:07.439
<v Speaker 2>Her and he's like, no, I'm just trying to find

0:50:07.480 --> 0:50:11.000
<v Speaker 2>the father, and she responds, my brother in law may

0:50:11.040 --> 0:50:13.840
<v Speaker 2>have fallen for that line, but my mother never raised

0:50:13.840 --> 0:50:17.600
<v Speaker 2>any fools. Now you get off my property. So slams

0:50:17.640 --> 0:50:21.719
<v Speaker 2>the door. Elliott calls Melinda immediately. He's like, pull birth

0:50:21.760 --> 0:50:24.600
<v Speaker 2>certificates please, to all kids born to Peggy Kendall.

0:50:25.239 --> 0:50:27.880
<v Speaker 3>So, oh my god, this bitch had eleven kids.

0:50:28.080 --> 0:50:34.439
<v Speaker 2>Very Cara clank and no more your grandmother, my grandma.

0:50:35.719 --> 0:50:37.680
<v Speaker 3>All boys kill me.

0:50:38.160 --> 0:50:40.760
<v Speaker 2>So they pull all the DMV photos of all these boys.

0:50:40.800 --> 0:50:43.319
<v Speaker 2>They play games, ruling some people out in and out.

0:50:43.719 --> 0:50:46.320
<v Speaker 2>Sailor's like, great, let's get the DNA from the others.

0:50:46.440 --> 0:50:51.680
<v Speaker 2>No vax like no dice, low stringency analysis is too circumstantial.

0:50:52.560 --> 0:50:54.920
<v Speaker 2>Only when we narrow it down to one suspect can

0:50:54.960 --> 0:50:57.920
<v Speaker 2>we do that. So he's got to go actually investigate

0:50:57.960 --> 0:51:01.400
<v Speaker 2>into your fucking job, Stabler. So Craigan rushes in. They

0:51:01.480 --> 0:51:04.200
<v Speaker 2>found Kendall. He's alive. He was dropped off at a firehouse.

0:51:04.280 --> 0:51:06.840
<v Speaker 2>Hell yes, no cameras or footage, but we got the

0:51:06.880 --> 0:51:10.319
<v Speaker 2>little baby at the firehouse and we're going to take

0:51:10.360 --> 0:51:12.560
<v Speaker 2>him into the hospital for a full checkup, and the

0:51:12.600 --> 0:51:16.120
<v Speaker 2>cops will meet them there. But not before fucking Cindy

0:51:16.200 --> 0:51:18.880
<v Speaker 2>Marino is there at a prod and pokes Stabler with questions.

0:51:19.239 --> 0:51:21.320
<v Speaker 2>She wants to confirm that the baby has been found.

0:51:21.360 --> 0:51:24.320
<v Speaker 2>Stabler angrily says, you want an exclusive, and she says

0:51:24.360 --> 0:51:26.960
<v Speaker 2>you bet, and he says, contrary to Channel ten reporter

0:51:27.400 --> 0:51:33.759
<v Speaker 2>Cindy Marino's liabless libels, libeless, libeless, that doesn't sound like

0:51:33.760 --> 0:51:37.440
<v Speaker 2>a real word accusations, Laura Kazlowski did not kill her

0:51:37.480 --> 0:51:41.440
<v Speaker 2>son Kendall. He's been found alive and the doctor's like,

0:51:41.520 --> 0:51:44.759
<v Speaker 2>baby boy is fine, well fed, no dehydration, not even

0:51:44.840 --> 0:51:47.880
<v Speaker 2>diaper rash. Someone took great care of him. In runs

0:51:47.920 --> 0:51:50.400
<v Speaker 2>a man looking for the baby. He's one of Peggy's sons.

0:51:50.440 --> 0:51:53.279
<v Speaker 2>I see from the photos from earlier. He's tall. It

0:51:53.360 --> 0:51:57.480
<v Speaker 2>might be important that Kara might know him from Twin Peaks. Yes,

0:51:57.560 --> 0:52:00.799
<v Speaker 2>it's Bobby Briggs and his real name is Dana Ashbrook.

0:52:01.440 --> 0:52:07.480
<v Speaker 1>Yes, he was a pivotal character on Twin Peaks, like huge,

0:52:07.600 --> 0:52:10.200
<v Speaker 1>Like I don't know. I was so young when I

0:52:10.200 --> 0:52:11.840
<v Speaker 1>watched Twin Peaks. I was like, oh my god. He

0:52:11.920 --> 0:52:15.040
<v Speaker 1>has that bad boy energy like in Twin Peaks, big time.

0:52:15.760 --> 0:52:17.880
<v Speaker 2>And Stabler approaches him and asks who are you and

0:52:17.920 --> 0:52:20.840
<v Speaker 2>he says, I'm the baby's father, James Kendall, and Stabler

0:52:20.880 --> 0:52:23.360
<v Speaker 2>gets a sinister look on his face and says, I

0:52:23.400 --> 0:52:26.680
<v Speaker 2>bet people call you Patty. Done done, Okay, so we're

0:52:26.680 --> 0:52:28.880
<v Speaker 2>an interrogation. Patty's like, I don't have time for this.

0:52:28.960 --> 0:52:30.640
<v Speaker 2>It's late. I need to get my son home. And

0:52:30.640 --> 0:52:32.560
<v Speaker 2>they're like, you haven't been in your son's life this long?

0:52:32.600 --> 0:52:35.120
<v Speaker 2>What's the fucking rush now? And Stabler lets him know

0:52:35.160 --> 0:52:37.719
<v Speaker 2>that they're not going anywhere till the DNA results come back,

0:52:37.760 --> 0:52:40.520
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, we look exactly alike. And it's like again,

0:52:40.880 --> 0:52:43.160
<v Speaker 2>like they thought that they looked like the other guy.

0:52:43.320 --> 0:52:46.680
<v Speaker 2>None of this is real, We've learned. Stabler says, your

0:52:46.760 --> 0:52:49.160
<v Speaker 2>name is not on his birth certificate and Patty goes,

0:52:49.200 --> 0:52:51.560
<v Speaker 2>Laura didn't know she was pregnant when they broke up.

0:52:51.840 --> 0:52:52.799
<v Speaker 3>He claims that they were.

0:52:52.719 --> 0:52:55.440
<v Speaker 2>Getting back together and she was just waiting for her

0:52:55.480 --> 0:52:58.160
<v Speaker 2>divorce from Keselowski to be finalized to say they were

0:52:58.160 --> 0:53:01.120
<v Speaker 2>getting back together. Stable's like, why didn't you come forward

0:53:01.160 --> 0:53:03.799
<v Speaker 2>when your child went missing? He's like, I had no clue.

0:53:04.200 --> 0:53:06.520
<v Speaker 2>I was at my cabin, no phone, no TV, nothing,

0:53:06.520 --> 0:53:09.960
<v Speaker 2>and Saber's like, wow, convenient timing. You come back hours

0:53:10.000 --> 0:53:13.480
<v Speaker 2>after your son reappears. He ignores that question and just

0:53:13.480 --> 0:53:16.120
<v Speaker 2>sits down. He then asks any luck finding the guy

0:53:16.160 --> 0:53:19.439
<v Speaker 2>who took him, and Saber looks at him and goes, oh,

0:53:19.480 --> 0:53:22.000
<v Speaker 2>I've got the guy, and he says it really softly,

0:53:22.040 --> 0:53:25.240
<v Speaker 2>and then Patty goes, oh, well, why haven't you arrested

0:53:25.320 --> 0:53:28.879
<v Speaker 2>him yet? No proof? Huh? So he goes, but I'll

0:53:28.920 --> 0:53:31.600
<v Speaker 2>get it. So he responds, well, you let me know

0:53:31.640 --> 0:53:34.600
<v Speaker 2>when you do, and I'd love to get this bastard

0:53:34.680 --> 0:53:37.880
<v Speaker 2>brought to justice. So knock, knock on the glass. It's Craigan.

0:53:38.000 --> 0:53:40.719
<v Speaker 2>The DNA did come back. It is the father. So

0:53:41.320 --> 0:53:43.319
<v Speaker 2>he wants to take his baby home, and that's that.

0:53:43.760 --> 0:53:45.640
<v Speaker 2>He asks if he has a car seat, and it's

0:53:46.200 --> 0:53:48.759
<v Speaker 2>the law you can't leave without one. So Patty is

0:53:48.800 --> 0:53:50.879
<v Speaker 2>fucking annoyed about this, but he goes, my mother will

0:53:50.880 --> 0:53:54.040
<v Speaker 2>bring one. So Peggy is with the baby in a stroller,

0:53:54.239 --> 0:53:57.440
<v Speaker 2>still no car seat. So I don't understand.

0:53:57.680 --> 0:53:59.840
<v Speaker 1>Why is he called Patty if his name is James,

0:54:00.200 --> 0:54:01.440
<v Speaker 1>these boys were all named Patrick.

0:54:01.520 --> 0:54:05.239
<v Speaker 3>You just call boys Patty. Yeah, it might be like

0:54:05.280 --> 0:54:09.160
<v Speaker 3>an Irish I don't know Irish people. Let us know

0:54:09.280 --> 0:54:10.320
<v Speaker 3>what's with the Patty.

0:54:11.320 --> 0:54:14.279
<v Speaker 2>So Peggy's with a baby and Patty is in leather

0:54:14.320 --> 0:54:18.240
<v Speaker 2>and Stabler's like, uh Kazlowski runs in. The elevator doors

0:54:18.760 --> 0:54:21.040
<v Speaker 2>open and he rushes towards the baby. They start to

0:54:21.080 --> 0:54:23.600
<v Speaker 2>fight over the baby. He calls Peggy a crazy bitch.

0:54:24.000 --> 0:54:26.319
<v Speaker 2>Patty is like, that's my mom. So we're gonna have

0:54:26.320 --> 0:54:30.440
<v Speaker 2>a problem. And I love that. They love corraling enemies

0:54:30.480 --> 0:54:34.160
<v Speaker 2>in the elevator lobby. Yeah, there's some shoving. Dan calls

0:54:34.200 --> 0:54:38.200
<v Speaker 2>Patty a psychopath. Patty calls Dan a drug mule. Dan

0:54:38.320 --> 0:54:42.600
<v Speaker 2>punches him. There's a full fistfight, very irish pub bar vibes.

0:54:42.920 --> 0:54:45.719
<v Speaker 2>Peggy and Stabler are trying to separate them and they're like,

0:54:45.800 --> 0:54:50.279
<v Speaker 2>he started it. No, he started it, very grade school vibes. Now,

0:54:50.480 --> 0:54:53.560
<v Speaker 2>arrest him, No, arrest him. Stabler pushes Patty against the

0:54:53.600 --> 0:54:55.960
<v Speaker 2>Wan says, don't push your luck. Don't push your luck.

0:54:55.960 --> 0:54:58.520
<v Speaker 2>Get out of here. He says, ma, get the baby.

0:54:58.840 --> 0:55:02.840
<v Speaker 2>Pablo's face is cut and blood smeared all over. He says,

0:55:02.960 --> 0:55:05.000
<v Speaker 2>this is wrong. Can't you do something. It cuts to

0:55:05.040 --> 0:55:07.280
<v Speaker 2>an office haying where Craigan is like, we have nothing

0:55:07.320 --> 0:55:10.760
<v Speaker 2>on Patty, nothing, He's completely clean, and Saber's like, listen,

0:55:11.400 --> 0:55:12.760
<v Speaker 2>they were not getting back together.

0:55:12.880 --> 0:55:15.239
<v Speaker 3>That is a lie. Laura was terrified of him.

0:55:15.280 --> 0:55:17.640
<v Speaker 2>He kidnapped that baby and when we got close to him,

0:55:17.680 --> 0:55:20.600
<v Speaker 2>Mommy tipped him off and the baby was returned. Novak

0:55:20.680 --> 0:55:24.360
<v Speaker 2>chimes in Laura's suicide gave him custody. Sabler says, Laura

0:55:24.400 --> 0:55:26.520
<v Speaker 2>did not want Patty to have Kendall. We have to

0:55:26.560 --> 0:55:29.160
<v Speaker 2>do something about this. Novak is like, how do you

0:55:29.239 --> 0:55:31.560
<v Speaker 2>know that? Sabler says she was in a custody battle

0:55:31.600 --> 0:55:33.640
<v Speaker 2>with Dan for the baby, so all she had to

0:55:33.640 --> 0:55:35.960
<v Speaker 2>do was tell the court it was Patty's child to

0:55:36.120 --> 0:55:39.320
<v Speaker 2>end it, but she would never So Novak is like, okay,

0:55:39.360 --> 0:55:41.359
<v Speaker 2>I can bring that up in court. But there's still

0:55:41.360 --> 0:55:43.640
<v Speaker 2>another hole. Why didn't she tell us about Patty when

0:55:43.680 --> 0:55:46.600
<v Speaker 2>Kendall disappeared because he was out of the picture. She

0:55:46.640 --> 0:55:49.040
<v Speaker 2>probably didn't even think he knew about the kid and

0:55:49.200 --> 0:55:52.120
<v Speaker 2>definitely didn't want to him finding out about it from us.

0:55:52.400 --> 0:55:55.160
<v Speaker 2>So Craigan brings up the domestic violence, and Novak's like,

0:55:55.200 --> 0:55:58.279
<v Speaker 2>can anyone document any of this? Sablor says, she told

0:55:58.360 --> 0:56:02.440
<v Speaker 2>Dan and Garrett her best friend, and he saw the injuries,

0:56:02.480 --> 0:56:05.000
<v Speaker 2>so she has an idea. We cut to Peggy's house

0:56:05.000 --> 0:56:07.279
<v Speaker 2>and we hear say, you're not putting my grandson in

0:56:07.360 --> 0:56:10.359
<v Speaker 2>foster care. So a child service rep is there and

0:56:10.400 --> 0:56:12.359
<v Speaker 2>that the DA made them aware that the son had

0:56:12.360 --> 0:56:13.960
<v Speaker 2>a history of domestic violence.

0:56:14.320 --> 0:56:15.880
<v Speaker 3>She calls it a pack of lies.

0:56:16.000 --> 0:56:19.840
<v Speaker 2>She says, still, we've done a psych assessment, a home study,

0:56:19.840 --> 0:56:21.839
<v Speaker 2>and we can't let Kendall stay with her son. And

0:56:21.880 --> 0:56:24.280
<v Speaker 2>she says, not over my dead body, and they're like, honey,

0:56:24.320 --> 0:56:26.120
<v Speaker 2>if you interfere, you can be arrested.

0:56:26.520 --> 0:56:28.520
<v Speaker 3>She's so sad. It is a struggle for her.

0:56:28.600 --> 0:56:30.720
<v Speaker 2>She holds back tears, but she hands over the baby

0:56:30.760 --> 0:56:32.879
<v Speaker 2>and lets them all know that she has a very

0:56:32.920 --> 0:56:36.000
<v Speaker 2>good lawyer and we'll get him back. And this isn't over,

0:56:36.160 --> 0:56:38.680
<v Speaker 2>and she glares her famous glare. How do you think

0:56:38.719 --> 0:56:41.040
<v Speaker 2>she has money for, like a great lawyer raising eleven

0:56:41.120 --> 0:56:43.480
<v Speaker 2>kids in Manhattan and it looks like a brownstone?

0:56:43.520 --> 0:56:44.080
<v Speaker 3>Like what's up?

0:56:44.600 --> 0:56:46.800
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's a great question. The Manhattan and the eleven

0:56:46.880 --> 0:56:48.919
<v Speaker 1>kids of it all, that's like not real. But also

0:56:49.080 --> 0:56:51.279
<v Speaker 1>maybe they have like a rent stabilized building because they've

0:56:51.280 --> 0:56:54.320
<v Speaker 1>been there forever. And also maybe the great lawyer is

0:56:54.360 --> 0:56:55.120
<v Speaker 1>like a family friend.

0:56:56.120 --> 0:56:56.520
<v Speaker 3>Got it?

0:56:57.000 --> 0:56:57.200
<v Speaker 4>You know?

0:56:57.640 --> 0:56:59.680
<v Speaker 2>Now we're back in the Hallway, and Novak's like, oh,

0:56:59.719 --> 0:57:02.719
<v Speaker 2>I'll win for the people to Elliott and Stabler is like,

0:57:02.719 --> 0:57:04.839
<v Speaker 2>we still have to prove that Patty is the kidnapper.

0:57:05.120 --> 0:57:07.560
<v Speaker 2>Then a young woman asks for Elliott and he's like, yeah,

0:57:07.560 --> 0:57:10.480
<v Speaker 2>can I help you? You've been served? And he has

0:57:10.520 --> 0:57:12.840
<v Speaker 2>been served and he's like, can you believe this? Casey,

0:57:12.840 --> 0:57:15.920
<v Speaker 2>and the woman turns back around is like, Casey Novak, cool,

0:57:16.040 --> 0:57:16.720
<v Speaker 2>you just saved me.

0:57:16.640 --> 0:57:17.520
<v Speaker 3>A trip downtown.

0:57:18.680 --> 0:57:21.240
<v Speaker 1>You could have done that part, Lisa.

0:57:20.720 --> 0:57:26.320
<v Speaker 2>That part she's getting served too. Obsessed. I'm obsessed. This

0:57:26.360 --> 0:57:29.520
<v Speaker 2>is the humor. This is the humor we love, and

0:57:29.600 --> 0:57:31.680
<v Speaker 2>this is when it hit me. No Munch, no Finn,

0:57:31.680 --> 0:57:36.360
<v Speaker 2>no Benson. Yeah, but Stabler heavy baby, Peggy said, but

0:57:36.440 --> 0:57:38.760
<v Speaker 2>I want to know what we need to ask mul bear.

0:57:38.880 --> 0:57:43.080
<v Speaker 2>Maybe he remembers, like what was happening during this that

0:57:43.120 --> 0:57:47.480
<v Speaker 2>they were all off work, Like I'm just so curious.

0:57:48.000 --> 0:57:49.960
<v Speaker 2>So Peggy did say she had a good lawyer, and

0:57:50.040 --> 0:57:53.080
<v Speaker 2>it's already coming to use. So Patty is suing Stabler

0:57:53.120 --> 0:57:55.960
<v Speaker 2>and Casey for harassment and violation of his civil rights.

0:57:56.160 --> 0:57:58.440
<v Speaker 2>So eighty a's are supposed to have immunity, though, so

0:57:58.480 --> 0:58:02.360
<v Speaker 2>what's going on? We cut to Judge Elizabeth Donnelly, and

0:58:02.520 --> 0:58:06.040
<v Speaker 2>she's explaining to Casey that the immunity is limited to

0:58:06.080 --> 0:58:08.440
<v Speaker 2>the job. Girl, So if you step outside the role

0:58:08.600 --> 0:58:12.720
<v Speaker 2>by advising police in the investigative phase of a criminal case,

0:58:12.880 --> 0:58:16.640
<v Speaker 2>you step outside, Babe, you're not immune anymore. So she

0:58:16.680 --> 0:58:19.080
<v Speaker 2>should not have been playing cops and robbers with Elliott.

0:58:19.160 --> 0:58:21.520
<v Speaker 2>She says, I mean, let's watch them have sex.

0:58:21.720 --> 0:58:25.640
<v Speaker 3>Please. I feel like Donnelly and Stabler please.

0:58:26.200 --> 0:58:28.560
<v Speaker 2>He asks if they have a case, and Donnelly says,

0:58:28.640 --> 0:58:30.760
<v Speaker 2>the suit has merit and they need to get themselves

0:58:30.760 --> 0:58:31.760
<v Speaker 2>a lawyer today.

0:58:32.240 --> 0:58:33.840
<v Speaker 3>Stabler is like, well, the city.

0:58:33.600 --> 0:58:36.320
<v Speaker 2>Represents cops, and She's like, uh, you trust the civil

0:58:36.360 --> 0:58:40.080
<v Speaker 2>servant to save your house and your pension. Novak's asked,

0:58:40.240 --> 0:58:43.120
<v Speaker 2>like what choice do they have? And I'm getting excited.

0:58:43.320 --> 0:58:47.240
<v Speaker 2>I wonder who it's gonna be. Okay, so Peggy wasn't kidding.

0:58:47.280 --> 0:58:49.160
<v Speaker 2>Patty's lawyer is Granger.

0:58:49.320 --> 0:58:53.760
<v Speaker 1>But like that's a extremely high powered lawyer.

0:58:54.160 --> 0:58:56.439
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, he does, like the high you know in law.

0:58:56.840 --> 0:59:01.880
<v Speaker 2>Loss Right is like Zapata does the drugg is that him?

0:59:01.920 --> 0:59:04.080
<v Speaker 3>Does he dose a potu? He sure does?

0:59:04.320 --> 0:59:06.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And he just has like I don't know to me,

0:59:06.560 --> 0:59:08.960
<v Speaker 2>he's like from a white shoe law firm, top of

0:59:09.000 --> 0:59:09.680
<v Speaker 2>the top, like.

0:59:09.840 --> 0:59:15.400
<v Speaker 3>They must be. He's not a thousand an hour vibes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:59:15.400 --> 0:59:17.280
<v Speaker 1>And I'm not saying you can't be like a rich

0:59:17.840 --> 0:59:21.320
<v Speaker 1>person with eleven but with like eleven kids in Manhattan,

0:59:21.360 --> 0:59:24.800
<v Speaker 1>it just seems like a wild connection to be able

0:59:24.800 --> 0:59:25.680
<v Speaker 1>to afford this lawyer.

0:59:26.000 --> 0:59:26.440
<v Speaker 3>I wrote.

0:59:27.080 --> 0:59:28.840
<v Speaker 2>And then for those who don't know, Granger is in

0:59:28.880 --> 0:59:34.240
<v Speaker 2>real life married to Cindy Lapper, Mister Cindy Lopper. He's expensive,

0:59:34.440 --> 0:59:38.560
<v Speaker 2>no morals, rich, evil hair, and he is tap dancing

0:59:38.600 --> 0:59:41.640
<v Speaker 2>in his opening statement, having a blast. He makes a

0:59:41.640 --> 0:59:45.040
<v Speaker 2>good point. This guy has committed no crimes. He truly

0:59:45.040 --> 0:59:47.600
<v Speaker 2>has done nothing wrong, and they've done all of these

0:59:47.640 --> 0:59:50.240
<v Speaker 2>behind the alley things to go to court. He makes

0:59:50.480 --> 0:59:54.040
<v Speaker 2>very strong points, very theatrical. He makes fists in the air.

0:59:54.400 --> 0:59:57.000
<v Speaker 2>There's been a lot of manipulations. I do believe that

0:59:57.040 --> 0:59:59.840
<v Speaker 2>he sucks, but they need evidence. Where is the body

1:00:00.520 --> 1:00:04.320
<v Speaker 2>and they have five witnesses to you know, back all

1:00:04.360 --> 1:00:06.680
<v Speaker 2>this up. And the judge is a severe type of

1:00:06.720 --> 1:00:09.760
<v Speaker 2>classic down to business type of woman as well. Patty

1:00:09.880 --> 1:00:13.880
<v Speaker 2>looks smug, Peggy looks serious as ever. They're suing them

1:00:13.920 --> 1:00:16.640
<v Speaker 2>for cash money, honey. And now it's Judith Light's turn

1:00:16.680 --> 1:00:20.880
<v Speaker 2>to tap dance. She is representing Casey and Elliott. So

1:00:20.920 --> 1:00:23.280
<v Speaker 2>she gets up and she says that Elliott has a

1:00:23.320 --> 1:00:25.120
<v Speaker 2>closure rate of ninety seven percent.

1:00:26.040 --> 1:00:26.320
<v Speaker 3>Loo.

1:00:27.320 --> 1:00:30.720
<v Speaker 2>She says that he's decorated and dedicated. Casey is a

1:00:30.720 --> 1:00:33.240
<v Speaker 2>babe and has a seventy one percent conviction rate and

1:00:33.280 --> 1:00:39.840
<v Speaker 2>the national average is forty four percent. Awards, medals, accommodate, accommodations, commendations,

1:00:40.240 --> 1:00:43.040
<v Speaker 2>and lots of letters from victims, but none of that matters.

1:00:43.360 --> 1:00:46.800
<v Speaker 2>But because this dude wants to go after their reputation

1:00:47.000 --> 1:00:50.080
<v Speaker 2>and he is a liar, a violent man, a batterer.

1:00:50.400 --> 1:00:52.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't believe a word he says. And by the

1:00:52.640 --> 1:00:56.200
<v Speaker 2>time we're through here, neither will you. Yes, bitch, get him.

1:00:56.240 --> 1:00:59.320
<v Speaker 2>I loved her performance here. It was like because Granger

1:00:59.400 --> 1:01:01.480
<v Speaker 2>did so good, I was like, what's Judy gonna do?

1:01:01.680 --> 1:01:04.440
<v Speaker 2>And she did it? And he's on the stand. His

1:01:04.520 --> 1:01:08.160
<v Speaker 2>body language is like too relaxed for my liking. He

1:01:08.160 --> 1:01:12.160
<v Speaker 2>should be sitting more professionally. He has no criminal record,

1:01:12.520 --> 1:01:15.000
<v Speaker 2>or how is that possible? This is like a guy

1:01:15.040 --> 1:01:16.400
<v Speaker 2>that beats the shit out of his girlfriend.

1:01:16.400 --> 1:01:17.840
<v Speaker 1>I just don't get how this man would have like

1:01:18.400 --> 1:01:21.280
<v Speaker 1>no criminal record. Well if Granger's been his fucking lawyer.

1:01:21.280 --> 1:01:23.320
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, no, ire know nothing. He's never even been

1:01:23.360 --> 1:01:26.000
<v Speaker 1>questioned by the police. He says he doesn't drink because

1:01:26.000 --> 1:01:27.800
<v Speaker 1>his dad was a drunk. He promised his mother he

1:01:27.800 --> 1:01:28.479
<v Speaker 1>would do better.

1:01:29.040 --> 1:01:31.640
<v Speaker 2>And then you know, the mom is shamed for drinking

1:01:31.640 --> 1:01:34.920
<v Speaker 2>and smoking weed. There's an objection, it is sustained nothing further.

1:01:35.080 --> 1:01:38.960
<v Speaker 2>Judy stands up, congratulations on keeping your record clean. I'm

1:01:38.960 --> 1:01:41.240
<v Speaker 2>sure you'll agree. You just haven't been caught. And the

1:01:41.360 --> 1:01:44.400
<v Speaker 2>judge is like, Elizabeth, you know better. And I'm like, okay,

1:01:44.520 --> 1:01:47.480
<v Speaker 2>I love you know. I want these judges out for wine.

1:01:48.320 --> 1:01:50.840
<v Speaker 2>So then she's like, fine, if you're such a perfect father,

1:01:50.920 --> 1:01:53.440
<v Speaker 2>then explain to this court why you've never paid child support.

1:01:53.480 --> 1:01:55.840
<v Speaker 2>He quickly has an answer that Laura never wanted him to.

1:01:56.520 --> 1:01:59.280
<v Speaker 2>Then he says that Laura brought Kendall to visit him

1:01:59.320 --> 1:02:02.240
<v Speaker 2>behind Dan back, and she's like, do you have proof,

1:02:02.240 --> 1:02:03.920
<v Speaker 2>and he goes, I didn't know I needed any This

1:02:04.000 --> 1:02:07.360
<v Speaker 2>guy's smooth and this is a well written piece of television,

1:02:07.400 --> 1:02:09.600
<v Speaker 2>and she continues, you didn't know you were a father.

1:02:10.040 --> 1:02:13.480
<v Speaker 2>Laura was so terrified she hid Kendall from you. The

1:02:13.520 --> 1:02:15.680
<v Speaker 2>first time you hit you held him was when you

1:02:15.760 --> 1:02:19.040
<v Speaker 2>stole him from his crib. And then he pulls out

1:02:19.200 --> 1:02:21.560
<v Speaker 2>the sonogram from his pocket and goes, I've been with

1:02:21.600 --> 1:02:24.440
<v Speaker 2>this baby since day one. And then you know, the

1:02:24.480 --> 1:02:26.680
<v Speaker 2>camera goes to tally its face while he's talking, and

1:02:26.720 --> 1:02:28.080
<v Speaker 2>it's his thinking face.

1:02:28.440 --> 1:02:29.360
<v Speaker 3>There's zeroing in.

1:02:29.480 --> 1:02:32.280
<v Speaker 2>It's really intense music, and Donnelley is like, this is

1:02:32.320 --> 1:02:34.280
<v Speaker 2>a really improper way to introduce evidence.

1:02:34.320 --> 1:02:36.280
<v Speaker 3>This is not cool. My experts need to look at

1:02:36.280 --> 1:02:36.800
<v Speaker 3>that photo.

1:02:37.200 --> 1:02:39.160
<v Speaker 2>Next thing we do is jump to Stabler on the

1:02:39.200 --> 1:02:41.880
<v Speaker 2>steps of a fresh crisp morning as Patty is getting

1:02:41.880 --> 1:02:44.600
<v Speaker 2>the paper and he's like, oh, big mistake, you're an idiot.

1:02:44.840 --> 1:02:46.720
<v Speaker 2>He goes hell of a nerve but not a lot

1:02:46.720 --> 1:02:49.400
<v Speaker 2>of brains, but he does get to arrest him, and

1:02:49.440 --> 1:02:53.320
<v Speaker 2>Stabler seems confident. Granger stands up and screams this is harassment.

1:02:53.400 --> 1:02:56.400
<v Speaker 2>Down in interrogation and then a threat about I'll have

1:02:56.480 --> 1:02:59.000
<v Speaker 2>both of your jobs. Casey says, I don't think so

1:03:00.120 --> 1:03:02.760
<v Speaker 2>starts unpacking the box and explaining how it's stuff from

1:03:02.800 --> 1:03:05.880
<v Speaker 2>the alley behind the apartment. So then it's story time

1:03:05.920 --> 1:03:07.880
<v Speaker 2>and They're like, you grab the stuff. The bag broke,

1:03:08.000 --> 1:03:10.680
<v Speaker 2>spilled all the way down. You could only grab what

1:03:10.760 --> 1:03:12.520
<v Speaker 2>you could. And then they're like, well do you have proof?

1:03:12.520 --> 1:03:16.240
<v Speaker 2>And then they're like, well, we have your fingerprints. So

1:03:16.280 --> 1:03:19.320
<v Speaker 2>they say that they have fingerprints off of the second

1:03:19.360 --> 1:03:22.400
<v Speaker 2>sonogram that was found in the trash, So basically, like

1:03:22.480 --> 1:03:25.240
<v Speaker 2>this baby bag exploded, he wanted to grab something, so

1:03:25.280 --> 1:03:28.240
<v Speaker 2>he ripped the sonogram in half, grabbed one end, and

1:03:28.320 --> 1:03:30.960
<v Speaker 2>the second end that he left behind, he left with

1:03:31.000 --> 1:03:32.000
<v Speaker 2>a fingerprint.

1:03:32.200 --> 1:03:34.960
<v Speaker 3>And Grainger's like, okay, let's make a deal.

1:03:35.200 --> 1:03:38.760
<v Speaker 2>So Casey's like, well, obviously we'll start with the civil suits.

1:03:38.760 --> 1:03:39.520
<v Speaker 3>They're dropped.

1:03:39.800 --> 1:03:42.520
<v Speaker 2>You're also going to give up your parental rights, correct,

1:03:42.920 --> 1:03:46.560
<v Speaker 2>and I'll bring it down from kidnapping one to custodial interference.

1:03:46.600 --> 1:03:48.960
<v Speaker 2>That's an e felony, so only between one and a

1:03:49.000 --> 1:03:52.400
<v Speaker 2>half to three years. Sabler says, beats life. He agrees,

1:03:52.600 --> 1:03:55.560
<v Speaker 2>and he's taking the deal. So Sabler then asks how'd

1:03:55.600 --> 1:03:59.880
<v Speaker 2>you find out about Kendall And he says, my mother, Laura,

1:04:00.240 --> 1:04:02.240
<v Speaker 2>was on the street with the boy and the mom

1:04:02.280 --> 1:04:04.200
<v Speaker 2>said that the boy looked just like me as a baby,

1:04:04.280 --> 1:04:06.280
<v Speaker 2>so he knew it was mine. She knew it was mine,

1:04:06.920 --> 1:04:09.680
<v Speaker 2>and she wouldn't stop bothering him, and it was. And

1:04:09.720 --> 1:04:13.080
<v Speaker 2>she always wanted a grandson. And it's like, aren't there

1:04:13.200 --> 1:04:14.320
<v Speaker 2>ten other sons?

1:04:14.520 --> 1:04:17.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you had eleven kids, and you want your beatter,

1:04:17.200 --> 1:04:20.080
<v Speaker 1>loser husband son to have the babies.

1:04:20.280 --> 1:04:20.720
<v Speaker 3>Jesus.

1:04:21.440 --> 1:04:24.920
<v Speaker 2>So she wanted a grandson so bad that you know,

1:04:25.320 --> 1:04:27.320
<v Speaker 2>she said she'd pay for everything and buy him a

1:04:27.360 --> 1:04:29.120
<v Speaker 2>new car. So he didn't even care about this kid.

1:04:29.160 --> 1:04:32.160
<v Speaker 2>He just wanted a car. He did it for a car.

1:04:32.920 --> 1:04:36.640
<v Speaker 2>Casey and Stabl are rare walking off, being like, oh

1:04:36.640 --> 1:04:39.680
<v Speaker 2>my god, the bluff it worked. I can't believe the

1:04:39.720 --> 1:04:42.480
<v Speaker 2>bluff worked with this so they had no finger and

1:04:42.560 --> 1:04:43.480
<v Speaker 2>it worked for me too.

1:04:44.120 --> 1:04:45.840
<v Speaker 3>I totally forgot this car.

1:04:46.040 --> 1:04:49.560
<v Speaker 2>I fell for a hardcore there were no fingerprints, and Lunky,

1:04:49.760 --> 1:04:52.240
<v Speaker 2>we're all lucky, grangered and asked to see proof.

1:04:52.280 --> 1:04:54.160
<v Speaker 3>So maybe he's not as good of a lawyer as

1:04:54.240 --> 1:04:54.960
<v Speaker 3>he thinks he is.

1:04:55.440 --> 1:04:58.040
<v Speaker 2>Kauzlowski's there, like, oh my god, I can really take

1:04:58.120 --> 1:05:02.120
<v Speaker 2>him home. He's so excited. He's going to meetings, no gambling,

1:05:02.160 --> 1:05:04.160
<v Speaker 2>no drinking for a whole week, and he has a

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<v Speaker 2>clean apartment. He's so happy to be a dad.

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<v Speaker 1>But like, back to your original question, are the drug

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<v Speaker 1>dealers just letting him live his life as a single

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<v Speaker 1>dad now, Like I don't know about that, Like he

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<v Speaker 1>owed a lot of money.

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<v Speaker 3>And the other thing is, well, maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>The cops would know that it's them if something happened

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<v Speaker 2>and it's not worth it to them.

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<v Speaker 3>Since the cops let them go.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe they're all like, let's just call it a wash.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, the gamble, like they're still gonna give

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<v Speaker 1>the I don't know. The other thing is is like

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think there's a world where they would give

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<v Speaker 1>the kid back to Kazlowski either, Like I think they

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<v Speaker 1>would search for family members of hers or family members

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<v Speaker 1>of his that aren't bad her, Like one of his

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<v Speaker 1>ten siblings has to be a good person. I think

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<v Speaker 1>they would go blood over this guy who's not blood

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<v Speaker 1>related to the kid, because he never formally adopted him.

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<v Speaker 2>We've talked about this before. But maybe it's because they

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<v Speaker 2>were fighting for custody. Maybe he did have partial visits

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<v Speaker 2>or something.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you are right, You're yeah, I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 1>just like to point out these little weird things.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I do like that they're starting over in the show,

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<v Speaker 2>there's still going to be a formal hearing, so it

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<v Speaker 2>could see, you know, but Patty will be out of

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<v Speaker 2>his life forever. Maybe they have to do it for

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<v Speaker 2>Patty to be out because Patty is such a violent guy.

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<v Speaker 1>But even like the mom could petition for rights and

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<v Speaker 1>she would get rights over Kazlowski, No, because then she

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't guarantee that Patty wouldn't see the baby, like they couldn't, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, like she would let Patty And she did aid

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<v Speaker 2>the kidnap.

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<v Speaker 1>If she yes, if she was officially charged for like

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<v Speaker 1>aiding in the kidnapping, but if she didn't have anything

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<v Speaker 1>to do with it, but she definitely did. She definitely

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<v Speaker 1>helped that kid would have had diaper rash for sure

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<v Speaker 1>if it was just Patty.

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<v Speaker 3>But go on, go on. No, So he thanks them

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<v Speaker 3>and leaves.

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<v Speaker 2>Melinda walks in and apologizes for the new tech expedition

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<v Speaker 2>getting them in trouble, and they're like, who cares, it's

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<v Speaker 2>all the case, It's all that matters. Well and is like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>probably won't be around for long, and stablers like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>let's use it while we still can to. Milinda is like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>your partner already has I actually have results? She asked

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<v Speaker 2>me to run. Can you please give them to her?

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<v Speaker 2>He agrees. He walks it over to Benson, who's still

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<v Speaker 2>at her desk. She congratulates him on closing the patty case.

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<v Speaker 2>He hands over the document, but he's like, you had

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<v Speaker 2>a case, Like, what'd you do kinship analysis for?

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<v Speaker 3>She's like, oh, yeah, cold case. She opens it up.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, you're working, You're you're not working on any

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<v Speaker 2>cold cases? What is this for? She breathes in. He

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<v Speaker 2>asks again, who's DNA? Did you have tested?

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<v Speaker 3>Live?

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<v Speaker 2>She says mine, I have a brother. End of the

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<v Speaker 2>episode done.

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<v Speaker 1>Don which, by the way, Melinda is incorrect. They are

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<v Speaker 1>still using that kind of DNA analysis and I believe

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<v Speaker 1>that's how they caught the Golden State killer. So like

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<v Speaker 1>we're still using that. I don't know if it's like

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<v Speaker 1>if it holds up.

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<v Speaker 3>But it must. I thank you said. It's not like

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<v Speaker 3>that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an investigative tool, yes, yes, for sure. Yeah, Like

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<v Speaker 1>it's not like this, it's not like DN as definitive

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<v Speaker 1>as DNA, but then you can find someone make connections

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<v Speaker 1>other ways. But I wonder if there's like laws around

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<v Speaker 1>that but anyway, the real life case to this is

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<v Speaker 1>extremely close. So grab a little popcorn and come right back,

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<v Speaker 1>or don't go anywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what I'm trying to say. We'll be

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<v Speaker 3>right back with the real case.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we are back with a case that I remember

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<v Speaker 1>happening when it happened. This is the story of Melinda Duckett,

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<v Speaker 1>who was a young woman. She was actually born in Korea,

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<v Speaker 1>but adopted by a US family and raised in like

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<v Speaker 1>sort of way upstate New York by like the Canadian

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<v Speaker 1>border until she was seventeen, and then she moved to

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<v Speaker 1>Florida to live with her grandparents. They don't it's very

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<v Speaker 1>I read a lot of articles. It's very unclear why

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<v Speaker 1>she did. So she goes down there. I think she

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<v Speaker 1>finishes high school down there, and she meets Joshua Duckett

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<v Speaker 1>josh Duckett. In high school in Florida, she gets pregnant

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of her senior year. She gives birth

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<v Speaker 1>to a baby boy named Trenton right after they graduate

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<v Speaker 1>in July of four. The Florida Department of Children and

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<v Speaker 1>Families had a long list of incidents between these parents,

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<v Speaker 1>so they're like eighteen year old parents. They're fighting with

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<v Speaker 1>each other all the time. They're constantly making leveling accusations

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<v Speaker 1>at each other. A lot of time stuff was unsubstantiated.

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<v Speaker 1>DCF reported that Melinda also had engaged in self harm

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<v Speaker 1>and had scars from cutting. There was something also when

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<v Speaker 1>the report saying that she is also alleged to squeeze

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<v Speaker 1>Trenton so tight that he sometimes screams, which is not great.

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<v Speaker 1>But other allegations from Josh or that she dangled him

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<v Speaker 1>over water as a threat to him, or held a

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<v Speaker 1>knife up to him and threatened to kill him. But

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<v Speaker 1>later Josh admitted to inventing some of these allegations at

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<v Speaker 1>his mother's request, who wanted custody of her grandson. I

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<v Speaker 1>was reading a bunch of stuff on red and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that's not necessarily like great sources. But there was some

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<v Speaker 1>speculation that Josh didn't really even want to be a dad.

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<v Speaker 1>He was eighteen years old when the kid was born,

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<v Speaker 1>and that he wasn't really around that much, and that

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<v Speaker 1>it was the mom that really wanted him to fight

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<v Speaker 1>to get Trenton to get custody. So where is Josh's dad,

1:10:20.960 --> 1:10:24.000
<v Speaker 1>you might wonder, just on death row for raping strangling

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<v Speaker 1>and drowning an eleven year old girl. So that's a

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<v Speaker 1>completely separate case.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god. I found that out like towards the

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<v Speaker 3>end of my research, and I was like, what the fuck?

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<v Speaker 2>Like crazy, but also just in a more casual sense,

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<v Speaker 2>this like wanting to be a grandparent.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like ghetto.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I had to get to be comparents or

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<v Speaker 2>not on their own. Will this whole thing of we

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<v Speaker 2>want to be grandparents it's kind of sickening.

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<v Speaker 1>I really am against it. It's like not yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like not something I think about or care about.

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<v Speaker 3>Really.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I obviously would it would be nice when

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<v Speaker 1>I'm older, I guess, but like the obsession is crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>So a review by DCF agents found there were no

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<v Speaker 1>concerns for the boy's safety and that the case did

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<v Speaker 1>not meet the case quote does not meet high risk criteria.

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<v Speaker 1>So DCF was very involved in their lives.

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<v Speaker 3>There's like a long report.

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<v Speaker 1>I linked to the report in my sources or took

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<v Speaker 1>a couple pages of the report that I could find,

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<v Speaker 1>And it seems like the two of them are using

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<v Speaker 1>d Sorry it's DCFS in LA, but DCF as like

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<v Speaker 1>a weapon against each other. So in April of five,

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<v Speaker 1>she he had her committed involuntarily under Florida's Baker Act,

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<v Speaker 1>which allows authorities to commit people for up to thirty

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<v Speaker 1>six hours for psychological evaluations if they appear to be

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<v Speaker 1>a danger to themselves or others. And the report concluded

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<v Speaker 1>that there was no psychological reason that would preclude Melinda

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<v Speaker 1>from being a capable and loving parent. So this seems

1:11:52.560 --> 1:11:55.599
<v Speaker 1>to be another like tactic from Josh and maybe his mom.

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<v Speaker 1>It was probably due to an accusation that he possibly

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<v Speaker 1>made up, or who knows. They did have heated fights.

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<v Speaker 1>It's possible she said things. And there was one point

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<v Speaker 1>where they called a family friend who was a cop

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<v Speaker 1>and they had her on speakerphone and she said something

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<v Speaker 1>about ending it if he doesn't stop doing it, ending it,

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<v Speaker 1>and they thought that was like taking her own life,

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<v Speaker 1>hurting the baby. And it's like she could have been

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<v Speaker 1>talking about ending the relationship. It's very vague what she

1:12:19.920 --> 1:12:21.439
<v Speaker 1>was talking about. And so they were always trying to

1:12:21.479 --> 1:12:24.000
<v Speaker 1>like trap her. It sounds like in ways, but she

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<v Speaker 1>did have some mental health issues, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Like was she keeping the baby away from the grandma?

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<v Speaker 2>Like what was the grandma's issue?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, they were sharing custody at some point, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think they wanted to have full I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>That's bullshit, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>Especially when it's like your son doesn't seem like he

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<v Speaker 1>really wants to. Oh and another thing I read about

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<v Speaker 1>the Sun was he was like, I'm a spontaneous person,

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<v Speaker 1>and she just wants to have everything planned out every second.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like that's kind of what you have to do

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<v Speaker 1>when you have a kid and you're sharing the kid

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<v Speaker 1>with another person. It's all about scheduling, and like you

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<v Speaker 1>can't just be like, oh, sweet, you want the kid tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 5>Cool?

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<v Speaker 1>You know that's like sorry, bro, You're like surfer lifestyle

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<v Speaker 1>is not going to work for this arrangement. So after

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<v Speaker 1>three months of multiple complaints and of abuse, Josh and

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<v Speaker 1>Melinda get married in July of five. Not a great idea.

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<v Speaker 1>The relationship is obviously rough. They break up and they

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<v Speaker 1>reunite all the time, and then Melinda finally files for

1:13:20.240 --> 1:13:21.519
<v Speaker 1>divorce in two thousand and six.

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<v Speaker 3>The divorce is not good.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, Trenton is going between fighting parents and at

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<v Speaker 1>one point he's in foster care as well. So like,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a point where I can't tell if it's like

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<v Speaker 1>when they had her, Baker acted that he had to

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<v Speaker 1>go into foster care, but she wanted to foster care,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe, just for a few weeks and she got

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<v Speaker 1>custody back of him, and then Josh kept wanting custody,

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<v Speaker 1>but they the courts kept claiming that he didn't fulfill

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<v Speaker 1>all the requirements, like going to counseling, and he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's hundreds of dollars to go to this counseling, which

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<v Speaker 1>I will side with him on that. Like for the

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<v Speaker 1>court to require you all of this counseling that you

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<v Speaker 1>need to see your kid and then not provide the

1:14:01.560 --> 1:14:04.640
<v Speaker 1>counseling for you seems crazy to me. You shouldn't have

1:14:04.680 --> 1:14:06.479
<v Speaker 1>to pay to get your kids back. That seems like

1:14:06.520 --> 1:14:10.760
<v Speaker 1>it's aimed towards people, punishing people from low income and

1:14:10.840 --> 1:14:14.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't really love that. So, but he should be

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<v Speaker 1>dedicated to going and getting the counseling, you know. He

1:14:16.680 --> 1:14:19.200
<v Speaker 1>should be like, his time is what he can give.

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<v Speaker 1>So August twenty seven, of twenty two thousand and six,

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<v Speaker 1>so at this point, Melinda and Josh are twenty. Melinda

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<v Speaker 1>puts trenton to bed at six thirty pm at their

1:14:30.439 --> 1:14:33.360
<v Speaker 1>house home in Leesburg, Florida, which is forty five minutes

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<v Speaker 1>outside of Orlando, Liza's future hometown. A few minutes before seven,

1:14:40.160 --> 1:14:42.439
<v Speaker 1>she checked on him and he was fast asleep. Then,

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<v Speaker 1>much like the in the show, she says, two friends

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<v Speaker 1>came over to watch the nineteen ninety eight Guy Richie

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<v Speaker 1>film lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels, which I've never seen.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if you have.

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<v Speaker 1>At nine o'clock, when the movie was over, Melinda tells

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<v Speaker 1>police she goes to check on Trenton in his bedroom.

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<v Speaker 3>Just like in the show.

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<v Speaker 1>He's gone and there's a cut the window screen above

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<v Speaker 1>his crib. According to police, she was considered the prime

1:15:05.200 --> 1:15:09.000
<v Speaker 1>suspect because they found some of Trenton's toys and a

1:15:09.080 --> 1:15:11.800
<v Speaker 1>sonogram in the trash of her apartment complex.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's right from the episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and they didn't arrest her immediately because they thought

1:15:17.240 --> 1:15:21.080
<v Speaker 1>she would lead them to the boy eventually. So it

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<v Speaker 1>was also very similar to what happened in the show

1:15:24.800 --> 1:15:28.720
<v Speaker 1>where she spent the full day, she said, shopping with

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<v Speaker 1>her son. But no, there's no footage of her anywhere

1:15:32.160 --> 1:15:35.040
<v Speaker 1>with the kid. There's no like there's a gas receipt,

1:15:35.160 --> 1:15:38.040
<v Speaker 1>but like nobody saw the kid like, so nobody really

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<v Speaker 1>knows at one point in the day he might have

1:15:40.240 --> 1:15:42.599
<v Speaker 1>gone missing, because she's the only one the friends never

1:15:42.640 --> 1:15:44.840
<v Speaker 1>saw the kid. At one point, she said they were

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<v Speaker 1>going to go look for some kind of forest, like

1:15:46.720 --> 1:15:48.960
<v Speaker 1>the Ocala forest or something, but then they got lost

1:15:48.960 --> 1:15:52.640
<v Speaker 1>and didn't go, so police were checking that forest. They

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<v Speaker 1>were checking all kinds of places looking for this kid everywhere,

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<v Speaker 1>and a few days I just read.

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<v Speaker 3>This, I thought this was kind of interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>A few days after Trenton disappeared, Melinda's grandfather, who shed

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<v Speaker 1>who she had lived with down in Florida, Bill U Banks,

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<v Speaker 1>said he held her hands in his hands and said,

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<v Speaker 1>I want you to look me in the eye. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you know where Trenton is? And she said, Poppy, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know where Trenton is. And he said he believed

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<v Speaker 1>her and that she had never lied to him before.

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<v Speaker 1>So days later, just like in the show, Duckett is

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<v Speaker 1>interviewed about Trenton's disappearance by Nancy Grace for a pre

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<v Speaker 1>taped segment that would air on the September eighth, two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and six, episode of her show on CNN. Or

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<v Speaker 1>It's headline news was hl EWN or CNN. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what it was at the time. During the interview,

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<v Speaker 1>Nancy Grace accused Ducket of hiding something because she refused

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<v Speaker 1>to take a polygraph, which her divorce attorney avides her

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<v Speaker 1>not to do because polygraphs are junk science, like they're

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<v Speaker 1>not admissible anyway. And I guess she was vague in

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<v Speaker 1>answering some of her questions about like where they were

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<v Speaker 1>that day, and then she tripped up on basic points

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<v Speaker 1>like where they were shopping the day disappeared and so

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<v Speaker 1>so by the end of the interview, Nancy Grace was

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<v Speaker 1>like pounding on her desk.

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<v Speaker 3>Going where were you? Why aren't you telling us where

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<v Speaker 3>you were that day? And so she got this woman

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<v Speaker 3>like pretty upset.

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<v Speaker 1>And the day after the taping of the show, hours

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<v Speaker 1>before it was supposed to air on television, Duckett wrote

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<v Speaker 1>a two page letter addressed to the public, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was all about how much she loved Trenton and how

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<v Speaker 1>sad and angry she was over being ridiculed and facing

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<v Speaker 1>all this quote unquote ridicule and criticism. She wrote that

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<v Speaker 1>the letter was quote a last minute idea, but I

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<v Speaker 1>have felt myself sinking after one week mark of Trent

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<v Speaker 1>being gone. I love him dearly, and he is all

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<v Speaker 1>I was breathing for. He was and always will be

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<v Speaker 1>my essence. And as he grows, I want him to

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<v Speaker 1>know that. And then she continues, I only wish you

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<v Speaker 1>do not push anyone else in the letter. So in

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<v Speaker 1>the letter, she's talking about him like he's alive, Like

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<v Speaker 1>she's saying, as he grows, I want him to know

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<v Speaker 1>how much I love him. She left the letter on

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<v Speaker 1>the dashboard of her car, went into her grandparents' house,

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<v Speaker 1>took a sh shotgun out of her dad's grandfather's closet

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<v Speaker 1>or out of her grandfather's wherever he keeps the shotguns,

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<v Speaker 1>and then went into a closet and shot herself in

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<v Speaker 1>the closet. And she was twenty years old. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>really horrible. And her family blamed her death on all

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<v Speaker 1>the media coverage, specifically Nancy Grace. They filed a wrongful

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<v Speaker 1>death lawsuit against her. They accused her of inflicting emotional

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<v Speaker 1>distress on Melinda, and Nancy Grace told Good Morning America

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<v Speaker 1>that quote, if anything, I would suggest that guilt made

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<v Speaker 1>her commit suicide. To suggest that a fifteen or twenty

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<v Speaker 1>minute interview can cause someone to commit suicide is focusing

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<v Speaker 1>on the wrong thing end quote. She said that while

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<v Speaker 1>she sympathized with the family, she knew from her own

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<v Speaker 1>experience as a victim of crime that people always look

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<v Speaker 1>for somebody else to blame, and that's why the family

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<v Speaker 1>was coming after her with a suit. On November eighth

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<v Speaker 1>of twenty ten, which is four years later, a month

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<v Speaker 1>before the jury trial was scheduled to start, Nancy Grace

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<v Speaker 1>reached a settlement with Melinda Ducket's estate, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>to create a two hundred thousand dollar trust fund dedicated

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<v Speaker 1>to finding Trenton and somebody named j Paul Durat Derrah Tanny,

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<v Speaker 1>a lawyer representing Duckett's family, said in a statement to

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<v Speaker 1>the AP after for it quote. After four years of

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<v Speaker 1>litigation and extensive discovery, the parties now agree that Nancy Grace,

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<v Speaker 1>the producers of her program, and CNN engaged in no

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<v Speaker 1>intentional wrongdoing in the course of dedicating a program to

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<v Speaker 1>finding the missing toddler, as alleged in the lawsuit end quote.

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<v Speaker 1>And the sad thing is is that Trenton has never

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<v Speaker 1>been found, and there have been this Center for Missing

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<v Speaker 1>Unexploited Children has released the footage like of what he

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<v Speaker 1>would look like he was would be about nineteen now,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, And yeah, he's never been found, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>just wild because the cops really just discounted that it

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<v Speaker 1>could be a stranger kidnapping. And I know that stranger

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<v Speaker 1>kidnappings don't happen a lot, but they do happen, and

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<v Speaker 1>they I guess I looked up the forensics. Then with

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<v Speaker 1>the forensics, they could never tell whether the screen was

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<v Speaker 1>cut from inside the house or outside the house. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't get like the hair analysis that they got

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<v Speaker 1>in the episode of SVU or someone bumped their head, like,

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<v Speaker 1>so this just this kid disappeared without a trace. It's

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<v Speaker 1>really sad. And his mom did take her own life,

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<v Speaker 1>which is also sad.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a real tragedy. Just a very chaotic story

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<v Speaker 2>from the start, I know, and.

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<v Speaker 3>Nancy Grace being involved.

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<v Speaker 1>It was funny because I was going back and reading

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<v Speaker 1>old articles on like New York Times and Washington Posts

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff, and like in the comments, all the comments

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<v Speaker 1>are from two thousand and six, you know, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>just like Nancy Grace is what's wrong with journalism? And

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<v Speaker 1>then other people are like, no, she's asking the tough

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<v Speaker 1>questions and they're like, no, wonder we're so divided as

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<v Speaker 1>a nation, And I'm like, God, we were divided back then,

1:20:49.439 --> 1:20:50.360
<v Speaker 1>we're so divided.

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<v Speaker 2>Next, well, I mean, she is a dumb bitch to me,

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<v Speaker 2>but like, no worse than Pierce Morgan, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean. Yeah, she's like I feel all the dude

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<v Speaker 2>news cast her guys are so much worse. So I

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<v Speaker 2>wonder how much of her annoyingness is because she's a

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<v Speaker 2>woman versus like this kind of behavior.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, you could definitely tell what SVU thought of

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<v Speaker 1>Nancy Grace in this episode because they call Cindy Marino

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<v Speaker 1>the devil.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like multiple times.

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<v Speaker 2>Because there's one interview with Elizabeth Smart where Elizabeth Smart

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<v Speaker 2>hates Nancy Grace.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't think she's the one that should be

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<v Speaker 1>doing the compassionate interviews. I think she's the like she's

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<v Speaker 1>the one that's doing the like why isn't anybody looking

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<v Speaker 1>at that? Like I do respect if she's given light

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<v Speaker 1>to cases that wouldn't have been covered, maybe, but I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think you need to scream at a mom. The

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<v Speaker 1>kid's been gone for a week. There's truly no proof

1:21:45.080 --> 1:21:48.839
<v Speaker 1>she did anything to him. She's twenty years old, essentially

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<v Speaker 1>a teen mom, and they're really I don't know, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just sad.

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<v Speaker 1>It is sad, sad all around. But we're gonna pick

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<v Speaker 1>it back up with really one of that happiest interviews

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<v Speaker 1>we've done in a long time with a very fun person.

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<v Speaker 3>So don't go anywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Today's guest has been a fixture on sitcoms for the

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<v Speaker 1>past twenty years. You guys know her from starring roles

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<v Speaker 1>on the Jim Gaffigan show, Good Morning Miami and How

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<v Speaker 1>I Met Your Mother. You may also recognize her from

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<v Speaker 1>the recent Sister Swap movies on Hallmark, but you know

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<v Speaker 1>her today as tortured mother of a kidnap baby Laura Kozlowski.

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<v Speaker 1>Please enjoy our delightful chat with Ashley Williams.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much for doing this.

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<v Speaker 2>I know we had like Mark for our buddy, Mark

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<v Speaker 2>Foyerstein was like stalking you on our behalf and I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, like.

1:22:43.960 --> 1:22:45.400
<v Speaker 3>I was like, did you ask her? He's like I

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<v Speaker 3>asked her. I was like, we have asked for a

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<v Speaker 3>whole more time. So I'm really good.

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<v Speaker 5>It's really fun.

1:22:49.000 --> 1:22:50.559
<v Speaker 4>It's really fun for me because it's felt like a

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<v Speaker 4>little team of people was stalking me and I'm actually

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<v Speaker 4>very into that, so it may have just made me

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<v Speaker 4>feel a little cooler. And I just appreciate your part

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<v Speaker 4>in that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, this was what was so great about talking to

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<v Speaker 1>Mark is the first time I know you did tons

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<v Speaker 1>of acting before, but the first time I remember you

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<v Speaker 1>coming on the scene for me was Good Morning Miami,

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<v Speaker 1>which I did watch.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I oh, okay, I was in like a

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<v Speaker 4>soap opera in high school. Yeah I saw that, but

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<v Speaker 4>but yeah, that was my first job out of like

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<v Speaker 4>theater school.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>And I saw you had a non verbal role in

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<v Speaker 1>the movie Indian Summer, which I am obsessed with and

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<v Speaker 1>that I was trying to remember.

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<v Speaker 4>Movie and that part was so like, in hindsight, I

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<v Speaker 4>cannot believe my parents let me do that.

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<v Speaker 5>I played. I play at the camp Slut. I was

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<v Speaker 5>like a lesson.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>My mom was like, this is the rocket.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, literally, your type, your name of your character is

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<v Speaker 1>not just like a girl's name, it's like the girl's name.

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<v Speaker 1>And then it says the camp sure thing is what

1:23:54.520 --> 1:23:57.200
<v Speaker 1>it says on the IMDb.

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<v Speaker 5>I I just love that. My mother was like, We're

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<v Speaker 5>so proud, were so round.

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<v Speaker 1>Amazing love that though, because I am obsessed with that movie.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, Good Morning Miami was like your first big thing.

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<v Speaker 1>You and Mark got to play like opposite each other,

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<v Speaker 1>as like a will they won't they Jim and Pam

1:24:15.640 --> 1:24:16.479
<v Speaker 1>type of situation.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I love that. It was an intense first job,

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<v Speaker 5>you know.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, like we were like on right after Friends on

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<v Speaker 4>Thursday nights and I was twenty two years old, Like,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, crazy, Well.

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<v Speaker 1>How did you, like, how did your whole I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you were on a soap opera in high school. I

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<v Speaker 1>know your sister is an actor as well. How did

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<v Speaker 1>your whole like acting journey begin. You saw your sister

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<v Speaker 1>doing it, you wanted to do it. You guys both

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<v Speaker 1>started at the same time.

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<v Speaker 3>What was the deal?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, basically, my sister's seven years older than me, and

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<v Speaker 4>I to this day basically just want.

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<v Speaker 5>To be her.

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<v Speaker 4>As a child, I followed her around and wore her clothes,

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<v Speaker 4>and then when she became.

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<v Speaker 5>An actress, I was like I want to do that too.

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<v Speaker 4>But it was also really interesting, like we grew up

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<v Speaker 4>my my dad was a writer and we grew up

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<v Speaker 4>like very lower middle class and my sister. We had

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<v Speaker 4>an next door neighbor who was on Another World, which

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<v Speaker 4>was a soap opera that's long gone.

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<v Speaker 5>But my sister was like she was the kind of

1:25:17.600 --> 1:25:18.799
<v Speaker 5>pretty where like people would.

1:25:18.640 --> 1:25:22.519
<v Speaker 4>Stop us in the street and be like, can I

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<v Speaker 4>take a picture of your you know, of your kid.

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<v Speaker 5>And I was the like younger.

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<v Speaker 4>Like like a little bit like hyper freaky, strange, not

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<v Speaker 4>not perfectly like my sister's features are teeny like she

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<v Speaker 4>just is like she's just like a model.

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<v Speaker 5>She's beautiful.

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<v Speaker 4>So but this next door neighbor said, you got to

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<v Speaker 4>get this, you know, kim into acting. And she booked

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<v Speaker 4>a national dairy commercial and made like four times what

1:25:50.080 --> 1:25:52.280
<v Speaker 4>my parents made in a year from that one day

1:25:52.280 --> 1:25:52.679
<v Speaker 4>of work.

1:25:52.760 --> 1:25:55.000
<v Speaker 5>And they were like, you all have to do this.

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<v Speaker 4>So my mom, my mom, my mom brought me and

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<v Speaker 4>my other and we all got headshots and we started

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<v Speaker 4>auditioning and we started like getting commercials, you know, and

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<v Speaker 4>then like our whole life's change. We ended up paying

1:26:08.680 --> 1:26:11.040
<v Speaker 4>for college from that. It was it was actually like

1:26:11.080 --> 1:26:14.920
<v Speaker 4>a very smart move. But consequently suddenly I'm, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>in my mid forties and one of my first credits

1:26:17.479 --> 1:26:20.000
<v Speaker 4>is like camp slut because my mom was like, go go.

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<v Speaker 5>Run, like the just do it.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't matter. You know, because you guys were young

1:26:28.080 --> 1:26:30.559
<v Speaker 2>when you started. Did your parents have to be on set?

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<v Speaker 2>And what was their vibe when you were okay with them?

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<v Speaker 5>Okay? Years work, It's really weird.

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<v Speaker 4>My parents came when we would do like commercials and stuff,

1:26:43.400 --> 1:26:46.200
<v Speaker 4>and then my mom came the first couple of days

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<v Speaker 4>I worked on As the World Turns, my soap opera,

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<v Speaker 4>but she had a job like my parents had jobs. Right,

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<v Speaker 4>So basically I became friends with the principal of my

1:26:58.080 --> 1:27:02.000
<v Speaker 4>of my like middle school and high school, and I

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<v Speaker 4>just said to him, listen, I am fine, I if

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<v Speaker 4>my GPA falls below a certain amount, let's get a

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<v Speaker 4>whole host of tutors and do the whole SAG thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Now listen, today this would never but at the time

1:27:19.880 --> 1:27:21.479
<v Speaker 4>he was like, all right, So I had to stay

1:27:21.520 --> 1:27:23.000
<v Speaker 4>on the high on a roll and I had to

1:27:23.000 --> 1:27:26.720
<v Speaker 4>get above like eleven hundred or something on my SATs.

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<v Speaker 4>And then nobody bothered me about the escort like he

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<v Speaker 4>signed everything.

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<v Speaker 5>Wow, it was nuts nuts.

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<v Speaker 3>And you just kind of like self taught yourself.

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<v Speaker 4>You just so I went into school when I wasn't working,

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<v Speaker 4>but I was a contract player. So I was in

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<v Speaker 4>school like maybe two days a week, and then the

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<v Speaker 4>other days of the week I would have like my textbooks,

1:27:52.080 --> 1:27:54.760
<v Speaker 4>and I had like a couple of my friends who

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<v Speaker 4>would bring home copies of the homework and drop it

1:27:56.800 --> 1:27:58.320
<v Speaker 4>off at my house or my parents would go pick it.

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<v Speaker 5>Up, and I would do all my home work.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, I that was where I realized I

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<v Speaker 4>was like a crazy work ethic genius person, which is

1:28:08.840 --> 1:28:13.120
<v Speaker 4>I'm not lucky particularly like like academia smart, but I

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<v Speaker 4>know how to get work done, do.

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<v Speaker 5>You know what I mean.

1:28:17.960 --> 1:28:20.519
<v Speaker 3>I was handing in That's how I am. Yeah.

1:28:20.520 --> 1:28:22.800
<v Speaker 4>I was handing in papers that were a lot of

1:28:22.840 --> 1:28:26.599
<v Speaker 4>like regurgitation, and I was like always like a solid,

1:28:26.920 --> 1:28:30.880
<v Speaker 4>solid like B minus student. And then I would write

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<v Speaker 4>like an amazing paper about you know, the Gettysburg address,

1:28:35.760 --> 1:28:38.000
<v Speaker 4>and then it would like my would go up a

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<v Speaker 4>little bit.

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<v Speaker 5>So I was like skin of my teeth. I made

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<v Speaker 5>it so he did.

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<v Speaker 4>He was amazing. Doctor Rooney was his name. I don't

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<v Speaker 4>I should find out where he is today. He's probably

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<v Speaker 4>still back.

1:28:50.240 --> 1:28:53.479
<v Speaker 1>To careful going down, careful going down, that I've looked

1:28:53.520 --> 1:28:54.360
<v Speaker 1>up some of my old teachers.

1:28:54.360 --> 1:28:55.280
<v Speaker 3>They're no longer with us.

1:28:55.439 --> 1:28:56.599
<v Speaker 5>That is so sad.

1:28:58.080 --> 1:28:59.920
<v Speaker 3>I'm always like, what happened to my teacher I love?

1:29:00.120 --> 1:29:03.000
<v Speaker 1>And you like get their obituary, but I hope doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Rooney is still taking it.

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<v Speaker 3>So all then, all this time goes by.

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<v Speaker 1>Your you you do, you do, Good morning Miami, And

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<v Speaker 1>now you get this what happens with the SVU?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you just get offered this? What's going on? Like

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<v Speaker 3>tell us the Journey of the SVU.

1:29:18.040 --> 1:29:21.400
<v Speaker 4>It was a freakin' flat offer, which does not happen

1:29:21.479 --> 1:29:25.559
<v Speaker 4>to people like me. It was, yeah, such a big deal.

1:29:25.760 --> 1:29:30.040
<v Speaker 4>And here's the really weird thing. My husband was running

1:29:30.080 --> 1:29:35.479
<v Speaker 4>the New York Marathon the week that I was shooting SVU,

1:29:36.000 --> 1:29:37.800
<v Speaker 4>and he was like, you have to take this because

1:29:37.800 --> 1:29:39.160
<v Speaker 4>then I don't have to pay for road.

1:29:43.280 --> 1:29:45.840
<v Speaker 5>So and also it's over. I wasn't getting you know,

1:29:45.880 --> 1:29:46.519
<v Speaker 5>it's a big deal.

1:29:47.120 --> 1:29:48.840
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, the whole time I was.

1:29:48.800 --> 1:29:51.519
<v Speaker 4>There, like my husband was like running and like icing

1:29:51.560 --> 1:29:55.000
<v Speaker 4>his thighs and you know, getting gear and stuff like that.

1:29:55.040 --> 1:29:57.559
<v Speaker 4>And then he ran it like one of the mornings

1:29:57.560 --> 1:29:59.920
<v Speaker 4>that I was shooting. Oh no, it was because he

1:30:00.439 --> 1:30:02.000
<v Speaker 4>like a Sunday, but it was like over the weekend,

1:30:02.240 --> 1:30:03.559
<v Speaker 4>you know, And.

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<v Speaker 1>So tell us how it was, Like, what was the set? Like,

1:30:07.960 --> 1:30:10.080
<v Speaker 1>did were you a fan of the show going into it?

1:30:10.200 --> 1:30:10.320
<v Speaker 2>Like?

1:30:10.400 --> 1:30:11.160
<v Speaker 3>How did you like?

1:30:11.160 --> 1:30:11.240
<v Speaker 4>What?

1:30:11.400 --> 1:30:12.280
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's sort of.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, I was definitely. I'm definitely not a person

1:30:15.360 --> 1:30:16.960
<v Speaker 5>that's seen every episode of Law and.

1:30:17.000 --> 1:30:20.040
<v Speaker 4>Order, but but I have gone through phases in my

1:30:20.120 --> 1:30:22.479
<v Speaker 4>life like Law and Order phases in my life, So

1:30:22.520 --> 1:30:25.360
<v Speaker 4>I definitely knew the form, I knew the medium, I

1:30:25.439 --> 1:30:27.080
<v Speaker 4>knew the done done, you know.

1:30:28.240 --> 1:30:29.320
<v Speaker 5>I was into all of.

1:30:29.280 --> 1:30:31.559
<v Speaker 4>That and more than anything else, it just felt like

1:30:31.560 --> 1:30:33.840
<v Speaker 4>such a cool rite of passage as an actor to

1:30:33.920 --> 1:30:37.280
<v Speaker 4>get asked because and still to the like, I actually

1:30:37.280 --> 1:30:40.360
<v Speaker 4>rewatched the episode last night in preparation for our interview

1:30:40.720 --> 1:30:45.519
<v Speaker 4>and the cast of I mean, of all episodes, but

1:30:45.600 --> 1:30:49.920
<v Speaker 4>my episode in particular is so astounding. Marian Selby's I

1:30:49.920 --> 1:30:54.040
<v Speaker 4>mean just the pure I mean, Pablo, so Pablo Schreiber.

1:30:54.160 --> 1:30:56.120
<v Speaker 4>And then here's the crazy thing is I have a

1:30:56.160 --> 1:30:59.959
<v Speaker 4>connection to so many of the people from that episode.

1:31:00.080 --> 1:31:02.479
<v Speaker 5>Now, Pablo Schreiber went to college with my husband.

1:31:03.600 --> 1:31:07.839
<v Speaker 4>I directed a movie two years ago for Lifetime, and

1:31:08.160 --> 1:31:10.880
<v Speaker 4>Diane Neil is my lead and tomorrow Toney is my

1:31:11.479 --> 1:31:13.240
<v Speaker 4>is my number three on that movie.

1:31:13.280 --> 1:31:15.040
<v Speaker 5>So I don't wait, did you know that.

1:31:15.400 --> 1:31:21.120
<v Speaker 3>You direct you? We did a lot watch Circle of Betrayals.

1:31:21.720 --> 1:31:23.080
<v Speaker 5>You guys saw that movie.

1:31:23.520 --> 1:31:26.439
<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, because oh my gosh, yes, Diane Hold did

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<v Speaker 3>alive with us after the movie.

1:31:28.880 --> 1:31:31.479
<v Speaker 1>So Diane told us about you directing this interview. This

1:31:31.520 --> 1:31:32.960
<v Speaker 1>is all coming back to me. I cannot believe. I

1:31:32.960 --> 1:31:35.080
<v Speaker 1>didn't remember this when I was prepping the questions for this,

1:31:35.200 --> 1:31:38.400
<v Speaker 1>but like Diane was like, oh, it's directed by Ashley

1:31:38.400 --> 1:31:40.600
<v Speaker 1>Williams and she's amazing. It's the one where she's like

1:31:40.600 --> 1:31:43.720
<v Speaker 1>the psycho best friend right and like and her like

1:31:44.160 --> 1:31:45.759
<v Speaker 1>she maybe kills her friend's husband.

1:31:46.280 --> 1:31:48.320
<v Speaker 5>So I felt I directed.

1:31:49.040 --> 1:31:53.760
<v Speaker 2>We had just we had just started our podcast and

1:31:53.760 --> 1:31:56.080
<v Speaker 2>we were like, let's do something fun with that, and her,

1:31:56.640 --> 1:31:59.320
<v Speaker 2>like Diane's people gave us like a pre screener of

1:31:59.360 --> 1:32:02.760
<v Speaker 2>the movie, so we watched it and then like right

1:32:02.840 --> 1:32:05.800
<v Speaker 2>after it aired, we did a Live with Diane and

1:32:05.880 --> 1:32:08.120
<v Speaker 2>she came on and like answered questions and we talked

1:32:08.120 --> 1:32:09.880
<v Speaker 2>about it. Because she's been on our pod and is

1:32:09.880 --> 1:32:11.639
<v Speaker 2>like a great supporter of our podcast.

1:32:11.760 --> 1:32:15.679
<v Speaker 3>We love her. Died That is so funny. We've seen it, baby,

1:32:15.760 --> 1:32:16.840
<v Speaker 3>Like my dad.

1:32:16.600 --> 1:32:22.400
<v Speaker 5>Didn't watch that movie. Like I saw that movie. Is amazing.

1:32:22.800 --> 1:32:25.200
<v Speaker 5>Oh that was my directorial debut.

1:32:25.320 --> 1:32:26.439
<v Speaker 3>Oh, we've seen it.

1:32:26.479 --> 1:32:27.920
<v Speaker 1>We saw it because we were like, of course, we

1:32:27.960 --> 1:32:30.760
<v Speaker 1>have to watch it tomorrow Tooney and Diane Neil, like.

1:32:30.880 --> 1:32:31.800
<v Speaker 3>We got a little fan.

1:32:32.560 --> 1:32:35.519
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we shot that movie, so we got shut down

1:32:35.560 --> 1:32:38.000
<v Speaker 4>in the middle of the pan right when the pandemic started.

1:32:38.040 --> 1:32:41.080
<v Speaker 4>We got shut down, and then two months later we

1:32:41.120 --> 1:32:42.960
<v Speaker 4>picked up. We were one of the first productions back

1:32:42.960 --> 1:32:46.400
<v Speaker 4>in Vancouver, so the fact that we pulled it off

1:32:46.520 --> 1:32:47.400
<v Speaker 4>was kind of a miracle.

1:32:47.439 --> 1:32:48.120
<v Speaker 5>It was amazing.

1:32:48.720 --> 1:32:50.960
<v Speaker 1>Wait, so do you have other connections to other actors

1:32:50.960 --> 1:32:53.120
<v Speaker 1>in this episode besides those three?

1:32:53.200 --> 1:32:53.479
<v Speaker 2>Okay?

1:32:53.520 --> 1:32:59.759
<v Speaker 5>Wait wait, I made a list. Hold on. Okay. First

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<v Speaker 5>of all, Oh, yes, okay, here's another crazy one.

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<v Speaker 4>I went to college with Amber Gray, who's the movie

1:33:07.920 --> 1:33:10.799
<v Speaker 4>theater girl from the episode She's.

1:33:10.600 --> 1:33:13.200
<v Speaker 2>Got the curl, the one who's like, I don't I

1:33:13.240 --> 1:33:15.360
<v Speaker 2>don't want to see babies, I don't want to hear Mercy.

1:33:15.560 --> 1:33:16.719
<v Speaker 3>That's like Amber Gray.

1:33:16.760 --> 1:33:20.960
<v Speaker 4>She has a Tony for you know, the Orpheus and

1:33:21.200 --> 1:33:22.360
<v Speaker 4>You're rid of Sea musical.

1:33:22.800 --> 1:33:27.200
<v Speaker 3>Oh, and I went to college with her.

1:33:27.360 --> 1:33:27.880
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

1:33:28.200 --> 1:33:29.760
<v Speaker 5>I went to college with Amber Gray.

1:33:29.800 --> 1:33:31.160
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, she plays Persephone.

1:33:31.280 --> 1:33:31.639
<v Speaker 5>Thank you.

1:33:32.040 --> 1:33:33.439
<v Speaker 3>I can't believe I didn't put that together.

1:33:33.600 --> 1:33:39.080
<v Speaker 5>Wow wow, So that was amazing. Okay, who else Kathleen?

1:33:39.960 --> 1:33:40.080
<v Speaker 5>Is it?

1:33:40.200 --> 1:33:44.040
<v Speaker 4>Selifant? Who's the judge? She and I did a play together.

1:33:45.720 --> 1:33:47.720
<v Speaker 4>Oh here's another really fun one that I thought you

1:33:47.760 --> 1:33:50.680
<v Speaker 4>guys would appreciate. So my sister was in Front of

1:33:50.760 --> 1:33:51.920
<v Speaker 4>the Bride with Beattie Wong.

1:33:52.240 --> 1:33:54.200
<v Speaker 5>Yes, and when I and when I.

1:33:54.280 --> 1:33:59.040
<v Speaker 4>Was there, uh in like you know, shooting the episode,

1:33:59.160 --> 1:34:04.559
<v Speaker 4>they gave me Lung's dressing room. And so I was

1:34:04.600 --> 1:34:07.120
<v Speaker 4>eleven when my sister shot Father of the Bride.

1:34:07.240 --> 1:34:09.400
<v Speaker 5>And remember that I was her.

1:34:09.400 --> 1:34:13.400
<v Speaker 4>Psychotic stalker fan like my own big sister.

1:34:13.560 --> 1:34:16.080
<v Speaker 5>I was her number one fan. Like I saw Father

1:34:16.120 --> 1:34:16.639
<v Speaker 5>of the Bride.

1:34:16.680 --> 1:34:18.759
<v Speaker 4>I used to just watch it every day after school

1:34:18.920 --> 1:34:21.240
<v Speaker 4>just to sort of it was like church for me, right,

1:34:22.160 --> 1:34:26.599
<v Speaker 4>Like it's like, imagine if your sister is like Julia Roberts,

1:34:27.000 --> 1:34:27.880
<v Speaker 4>like you just.

1:34:27.920 --> 1:34:28.839
<v Speaker 3>You know, yeah.

1:34:28.960 --> 1:34:31.839
<v Speaker 1>It's also was just such a big movie at that time,

1:34:32.160 --> 1:34:35.200
<v Speaker 1>Like I'm your age, and like I feel like we

1:34:35.320 --> 1:34:37.480
<v Speaker 1>just were all obsessed with Father of the Bride.

1:34:37.280 --> 1:34:40.720
<v Speaker 3>And she is like this star of this movie and

1:34:40.720 --> 1:34:41.160
<v Speaker 3>you're like.

1:34:41.120 --> 1:34:44.360
<v Speaker 4>Wow, Like I don't know, I like imagine being her

1:34:44.400 --> 1:34:48.679
<v Speaker 4>little sister, and the like idea of like we were

1:34:48.720 --> 1:34:54.160
<v Speaker 4>in the same womb. I could have been her, she

1:34:54.240 --> 1:34:57.840
<v Speaker 4>could have been me, like she basically met me, you know,

1:34:59.240 --> 1:35:05.040
<v Speaker 4>just so funny. So so anyway, I met Betty Wong when

1:35:05.040 --> 1:35:07.439
<v Speaker 4>I was eleven, and I went and forced her to

1:35:07.479 --> 1:35:09.160
<v Speaker 4>make me an extra.

1:35:08.880 --> 1:35:09.400
<v Speaker 5>In the movie.

1:35:10.360 --> 1:35:14.360
<v Speaker 4>And so when I was there, I left bed Wong

1:35:14.840 --> 1:35:16.280
<v Speaker 4>like I wrote him a letter.

1:35:17.720 --> 1:35:19.839
<v Speaker 3>Cute Williams.

1:35:20.240 --> 1:35:22.160
<v Speaker 4>I was eleven years old when I met you, and

1:35:22.200 --> 1:35:24.160
<v Speaker 4>I like wrote him this a whole letter, and I

1:35:24.360 --> 1:35:25.320
<v Speaker 4>never heard from it.

1:35:25.400 --> 1:35:29.000
<v Speaker 5>I gave him my phone number. You never you.

1:35:29.680 --> 1:35:31.800
<v Speaker 3>I bet he thought it was cute. I bet he

1:35:31.920 --> 1:35:33.920
<v Speaker 3>was just busy.

1:35:33.400 --> 1:35:37.080
<v Speaker 4>He's probably really moved overwhelmed.

1:35:37.360 --> 1:35:40.240
<v Speaker 1>So this is a very Christopher Maloney heavy movie with you.

1:35:40.479 --> 1:35:43.840
<v Speaker 1>Like he clearly I mean movie episode. This episode is

1:35:43.960 --> 1:35:46.280
<v Speaker 1>very heavy with you and Christopher Maloney. How was working

1:35:46.280 --> 1:35:46.639
<v Speaker 1>with him?

1:35:46.760 --> 1:35:52.120
<v Speaker 4>I think I caught him right at like a heavily

1:35:52.240 --> 1:35:57.240
<v Speaker 4>fatigued with the genre moment. You know, he was all business.

1:35:58.320 --> 1:36:02.160
<v Speaker 4>He was I felt like, you know, kind of just

1:36:02.200 --> 1:36:04.519
<v Speaker 4>like let's just let's go, let's go, let's get through this,

1:36:04.760 --> 1:36:09.160
<v Speaker 4>you know, yeah, and uh so, But I also I

1:36:09.160 --> 1:36:13.320
<v Speaker 4>don't know what it's like to, you know, to do

1:36:13.479 --> 1:36:15.320
<v Speaker 4>the same thing over and over and over again for

1:36:15.400 --> 1:36:19.040
<v Speaker 4>so many years in a row. I've never been that successful.

1:36:20.160 --> 1:36:23.679
<v Speaker 3>So, you know, I had know it was season eight.

1:36:24.680 --> 1:36:26.439
<v Speaker 3>It was season eight. He had been doing it for

1:36:26.479 --> 1:36:26.880
<v Speaker 3>a while.

1:36:28.160 --> 1:36:30.759
<v Speaker 1>But what about when he's what about when he's taking

1:36:30.760 --> 1:36:34.160
<v Speaker 1>you off of the fan and like your little rag

1:36:34.240 --> 1:36:35.719
<v Speaker 1>doll body is in his hands.

1:36:35.760 --> 1:36:36.639
<v Speaker 3>You guys didn't bond.

1:36:37.080 --> 1:36:39.040
<v Speaker 5>First of all, thank you for calling me little.

1:36:41.600 --> 1:36:46.040
<v Speaker 4>Second of all, I mean, I do remember it being

1:36:46.160 --> 1:36:48.479
<v Speaker 4>very difficult because he was like right here.

1:36:49.640 --> 1:36:53.720
<v Speaker 5>He was like I had to be like, you know, like.

1:36:53.880 --> 1:36:55.960
<v Speaker 4>Dead body, dead face.

1:36:56.439 --> 1:36:59.040
<v Speaker 3>You guys are dancing cheek to cheek on me.

1:36:59.560 --> 1:37:03.000
<v Speaker 4>I remember consciously wanting to smell him, but my character's

1:37:03.040 --> 1:37:05.840
<v Speaker 4>not breathing, so I had to be like, don't smell

1:37:05.960 --> 1:37:08.240
<v Speaker 4>Christopher Maloney right now, don't smell.

1:37:08.080 --> 1:37:10.360
<v Speaker 5>Him because you're not allowed to breathe because you're dead.

1:37:10.479 --> 1:37:11.160
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

1:37:12.240 --> 1:37:14.400
<v Speaker 5>But yeah, we spent a lot of time on that

1:37:14.479 --> 1:37:15.720
<v Speaker 5>like harness situation.

1:37:16.439 --> 1:37:18.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because we talked to another person on our podcast

1:37:18.840 --> 1:37:21.200
<v Speaker 1>who met the same end as your character, and she

1:37:21.280 --> 1:37:23.519
<v Speaker 1>told us about it's like a full harness that keeps

1:37:23.560 --> 1:37:26.160
<v Speaker 1>you up and like it seems like it was hardcore.

1:37:26.200 --> 1:37:28.200
<v Speaker 4>It was like it went they had me in that

1:37:28.240 --> 1:37:30.920
<v Speaker 4>big sweatshirt because it went like around.

1:37:31.600 --> 1:37:33.799
<v Speaker 5>I can't really remember, but I remember there being.

1:37:33.640 --> 1:37:40.320
<v Speaker 4>Like hardcore hard plastic things because it hooked into the back,

1:37:40.880 --> 1:37:45.120
<v Speaker 4>you know, and it was the I remember the stunt coordinator.

1:37:45.160 --> 1:37:49.040
<v Speaker 4>I had to build it and it was complicated.

1:37:49.040 --> 1:37:51.160
<v Speaker 5>We had to have like a lot of fittings and you.

1:37:51.120 --> 1:37:54.880
<v Speaker 2>Know, it was this was like, gosh, such a small moment,

1:37:54.960 --> 1:37:58.000
<v Speaker 2>but I loved your acting when like Stabler's talking to

1:37:58.080 --> 1:38:00.519
<v Speaker 2>you and you're like, well, why do I have to

1:38:00.560 --> 1:38:03.240
<v Speaker 2>do this? And he's like a mother actually worried about

1:38:03.240 --> 1:38:05.800
<v Speaker 2>her kid would let you, and then you kind of

1:38:05.880 --> 1:38:08.479
<v Speaker 2>just have this face that I really love, you know.

1:38:08.760 --> 1:38:11.719
<v Speaker 4>It was a saying that something that bothered me about

1:38:11.720 --> 1:38:14.559
<v Speaker 4>my own acting as I watched it last night was

1:38:14.600 --> 1:38:17.040
<v Speaker 4>that I had all these copious tears and I just

1:38:17.320 --> 1:38:20.880
<v Speaker 4>I never wiped them. Like who cries that hard and

1:38:20.960 --> 1:38:23.760
<v Speaker 4>doesn't wipe their face? But I think somebody had told me,

1:38:24.720 --> 1:38:28.519
<v Speaker 4>if you have achieved tears, don't wipe them away because

1:38:28.520 --> 1:38:30.799
<v Speaker 4>then the audience won't know that you were actually crying.

1:38:30.880 --> 1:38:35.120
<v Speaker 4>So I think I remember like producing copious emotional tears

1:38:35.320 --> 1:38:38.400
<v Speaker 4>and not allowing myself to wipe them off, And in hindsight,

1:38:38.520 --> 1:38:41.240
<v Speaker 4>I was furious with myself for not wiping them.

1:38:41.120 --> 1:38:41.719
<v Speaker 3>Because you don't.

1:38:41.960 --> 1:38:44.639
<v Speaker 4>Nobody does that. People cry and wipe the whole time,

1:38:44.880 --> 1:38:47.760
<v Speaker 4>you know. Yeah, the tears just sat on my face.

1:38:47.520 --> 1:38:49.559
<v Speaker 5>And rolled and I didn't touch them.

1:38:50.200 --> 1:38:53.720
<v Speaker 2>But not if you're like in true agony, I think

1:38:53.760 --> 1:38:56.280
<v Speaker 2>you might not be thinking about that because something about

1:38:56.280 --> 1:38:58.599
<v Speaker 2>when kids really cry, they don't wipe it around.

1:38:58.840 --> 1:39:01.320
<v Speaker 5>Thank you for justifying that terrible choice I made.

1:39:02.920 --> 1:39:05.200
<v Speaker 4>You're right, his kids are like unsolf So maybe she's

1:39:05.200 --> 1:39:06.720
<v Speaker 4>like un self conscious.

1:39:07.160 --> 1:39:08.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she's just like so and there.

1:39:08.880 --> 1:39:10.599
<v Speaker 5>Buying it, buying it.

1:39:11.280 --> 1:39:17.280
<v Speaker 3>She's sad. Wait, is your husband an actor as well?

1:39:17.840 --> 1:39:22.160
<v Speaker 4>No, he's a reformed actor. He's a producer. He got

1:39:22.160 --> 1:39:23.639
<v Speaker 4>an actual real job.

1:39:24.040 --> 1:39:27.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and he does your stuff. Yeah.

1:39:27.080 --> 1:39:30.240
<v Speaker 5>Well, work together when I can rope him into it.

1:39:30.439 --> 1:39:33.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well that's so an. It's sister swap. So you

1:39:33.640 --> 1:39:36.200
<v Speaker 3>work with your family often.

1:39:37.000 --> 1:39:39.760
<v Speaker 5>Well, I mean sister swap was the first time I

1:39:39.880 --> 1:39:41.400
<v Speaker 5>worked with my sister.

1:39:43.479 --> 1:39:46.439
<v Speaker 3>And that's for our listeners, Just for our listeners. Sister swap.

1:39:46.479 --> 1:39:49.000
<v Speaker 1>Are these Hallmark movies that you and your sister do together,

1:39:49.800 --> 1:39:52.479
<v Speaker 1>And what's the premise that you guys switch lives or

1:39:52.520 --> 1:39:54.320
<v Speaker 1>you don't look that much alike that it's like it's

1:39:54.320 --> 1:39:56.200
<v Speaker 1>not like a twin swap, but like it's like a

1:39:56.200 --> 1:39:56.799
<v Speaker 1>wife swap.

1:39:57.600 --> 1:39:59.599
<v Speaker 5>Yeah. Well, yeah, we definitely made that joke.

1:40:00.720 --> 1:40:04.080
<v Speaker 4>Well, the idea is, it's two movies, okay, and we

1:40:04.120 --> 1:40:07.599
<v Speaker 4>are working on more, but we shot two movies and

1:40:08.520 --> 1:40:12.400
<v Speaker 4>it's city mouse, Country mouse, who basically switch right, So

1:40:12.720 --> 1:40:14.920
<v Speaker 4>we I live in her house and do her thing

1:40:14.960 --> 1:40:17.439
<v Speaker 4>and she lives, you know, in mine, and we sort

1:40:17.439 --> 1:40:22.360
<v Speaker 4>of switch which mouse are you? I'm I'm country mouse

1:40:22.400 --> 1:40:26.719
<v Speaker 4>goes to the city okay, and she comes home because

1:40:26.800 --> 1:40:30.439
<v Speaker 4>I take Yeah. So, but it was really cool because

1:40:30.760 --> 1:40:34.840
<v Speaker 4>those movies were really outside the box for Homewark, you know, well,

1:40:34.960 --> 1:40:35.840
<v Speaker 4>especially at the time.

1:40:35.920 --> 1:40:37.720
<v Speaker 5>Now they're kind of like doing all kinds of.

1:40:37.640 --> 1:40:40.559
<v Speaker 4>Fun stuff, but this was a couple of years ago

1:40:40.840 --> 1:40:43.320
<v Speaker 4>and it was really kind of like an innovative idea.

1:40:43.479 --> 1:40:45.679
<v Speaker 4>And then what was really fun was that Dan Harmon,

1:40:45.800 --> 1:40:49.679
<v Speaker 4>that comedy writer, got drunk this past Christmas and happened

1:40:49.760 --> 1:40:54.839
<v Speaker 4>upon them and became as with the idea of two

1:40:55.080 --> 1:40:59.920
<v Speaker 4>movies that were shot that were crossboarded, so we shot

1:41:00.040 --> 1:41:03.040
<v Speaker 4>two movies, but a lot of the scenes were in

1:41:03.120 --> 1:41:05.840
<v Speaker 4>common but shot in a different way. And he thought

1:41:05.880 --> 1:41:10.360
<v Speaker 4>that was brilliant and then repeatedly Instagram posted about it,

1:41:10.479 --> 1:41:15.400
<v Speaker 4>and it actually forced Hallmark to re air both movies

1:41:15.439 --> 1:41:19.400
<v Speaker 4>back to back to great ratings. That's because of Dan Harmon.

1:41:19.800 --> 1:41:22.880
<v Speaker 4>So I am like actively speaking of Stocking trying to

1:41:23.280 --> 1:41:27.240
<v Speaker 4>get him to collaborate with me on the next Sister movie.

1:41:27.520 --> 1:41:29.840
<v Speaker 3>So, you know, I love that. I love this.

1:41:30.720 --> 1:41:31.679
<v Speaker 5>It's so good. Right.

1:41:32.479 --> 1:41:35.920
<v Speaker 4>It was by like BuzzFeed, and I did an interview

1:41:35.920 --> 1:41:38.360
<v Speaker 4>with The Daily Beast, and you know, everybody was like

1:41:38.400 --> 1:41:40.280
<v Speaker 4>because at the time it sort of like went a

1:41:40.320 --> 1:41:42.519
<v Speaker 4>little bit under the radar, but when Dan Harmon had

1:41:42.520 --> 1:41:45.720
<v Speaker 4>too much eggnog, it had this whole researches this past year.

1:41:46.200 --> 1:41:49.639
<v Speaker 3>I was really grateful. I love that. That's really fun.

1:41:49.800 --> 1:41:54.519
<v Speaker 2>Wow, And did your little sister heart just fill with

1:41:54.600 --> 1:41:56.320
<v Speaker 2>joy getting to work with her sister?

1:41:56.880 --> 1:42:02.120
<v Speaker 4>You guys, my sister is like she's hit the coolest

1:42:02.720 --> 1:42:06.599
<v Speaker 4>to this day, to this day, she's just amazing, So,

1:42:07.560 --> 1:42:11.280
<v Speaker 4>you know, getting to do scenes with her and like

1:42:11.600 --> 1:42:14.840
<v Speaker 4>I just you know, it was heaven I would do

1:42:14.880 --> 1:42:16.320
<v Speaker 4>any love in a heartbeat.

1:42:16.960 --> 1:42:19.799
<v Speaker 1>I feel like there's no like I know other sisters

1:42:19.840 --> 1:42:22.360
<v Speaker 1>that are actors and it does not turn out like this,

1:42:22.800 --> 1:42:26.000
<v Speaker 1>Like they are like so competitive and don't understand each other,

1:42:26.200 --> 1:42:28.160
<v Speaker 1>and like it's really nice.

1:42:28.240 --> 1:42:30.880
<v Speaker 4>I think the dynamic with us is very clear, which

1:42:30.920 --> 1:42:34.000
<v Speaker 4>is like, there's no competing with her because she's so cool.

1:42:34.600 --> 1:42:36.840
<v Speaker 5>So that's all that has to happen.

1:42:36.960 --> 1:42:40.639
<v Speaker 4>Is I just love on her and she I, thank god,

1:42:40.840 --> 1:42:42.960
<v Speaker 4>is incredibly generous and patient with.

1:42:43.000 --> 1:42:47.240
<v Speaker 5>Me, so it really works out. But there's a clear

1:42:47.360 --> 1:42:48.760
<v Speaker 5>leader between the two of us.

1:42:50.520 --> 1:42:53.599
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to ask you also about the Make Her

1:42:53.640 --> 1:42:56.960
<v Speaker 1>Mark program that I think you started or founded or

1:42:57.439 --> 1:42:58.240
<v Speaker 1>tell me about that.

1:42:58.720 --> 1:43:01.000
<v Speaker 4>Thank you so much for us about this. This is

1:43:01.040 --> 1:43:05.280
<v Speaker 4>the thing I'm the most excited about. So yeah, I mean,

1:43:05.320 --> 1:43:07.080
<v Speaker 4>I've been working for the Hallmark Channel for a couple

1:43:07.120 --> 1:43:09.719
<v Speaker 4>of years, and you know, one of my favorite things,

1:43:09.760 --> 1:43:11.680
<v Speaker 4>other than sort of just the feel good nature of

1:43:11.680 --> 1:43:14.200
<v Speaker 4>the material, is that it's always about these sort of

1:43:14.240 --> 1:43:17.240
<v Speaker 4>female forward characters who are not interested in love and

1:43:17.280 --> 1:43:22.360
<v Speaker 4>then you know, against even their own best instincts.

1:43:21.720 --> 1:43:23.160
<v Speaker 5>They sort of fall in love.

1:43:23.439 --> 1:43:27.240
<v Speaker 4>But it's about it's these female centered stories and I realized,

1:43:27.760 --> 1:43:30.160
<v Speaker 4>after like my fifth or sixth Hamewark movie, I'm like,

1:43:30.240 --> 1:43:33.080
<v Speaker 4>all of these are directed by men, you know, what

1:43:33.280 --> 1:43:36.519
<v Speaker 4>is going on? And so, you know, I did some

1:43:36.600 --> 1:43:39.920
<v Speaker 4>research and I realized that out of one hundred movies

1:43:39.920 --> 1:43:43.840
<v Speaker 4>that Hallmark makes a year, a hundred that year that

1:43:43.920 --> 1:43:46.760
<v Speaker 4>I realized this, only eight of them were directed by women. So,

1:43:47.400 --> 1:43:49.320
<v Speaker 4>you know, I sort of started to do some digging,

1:43:49.479 --> 1:43:53.800
<v Speaker 4>and uh, you know, the truth is, these movies are

1:43:53.880 --> 1:43:57.800
<v Speaker 4>shot for so little money, and you can't you need

1:43:57.880 --> 1:44:01.160
<v Speaker 4>you need a veteran director, right, you need somebody that

1:44:01.240 --> 1:44:03.600
<v Speaker 4>everybody trusts, that knows how to run a crew that

1:44:03.640 --> 1:44:06.040
<v Speaker 4>can shoot at full length feature in fifteen days for

1:44:06.960 --> 1:44:10.800
<v Speaker 4>pretty low budget, you know, and there just aren't that

1:44:11.000 --> 1:44:12.920
<v Speaker 4>many women trained in that, right.

1:44:13.720 --> 1:44:13.960
<v Speaker 5>You know.

1:44:14.040 --> 1:44:17.840
<v Speaker 4>I went to our sort of higher ups and they said, well,

1:44:17.880 --> 1:44:19.720
<v Speaker 4>you know, can you do some more research and come

1:44:19.760 --> 1:44:22.760
<v Speaker 4>back to us. So then I started meeting with the

1:44:22.800 --> 1:44:25.919
<v Speaker 4>heads of all the diversity inclusion programs in our industry

1:44:26.080 --> 1:44:29.559
<v Speaker 4>and forcing them to give me advice about how to

1:44:29.640 --> 1:44:32.599
<v Speaker 4>start a women's directing program at Hallmark. And I got

1:44:32.680 --> 1:44:36.080
<v Speaker 4>amazing advice and have you know, kind of like a

1:44:36.120 --> 1:44:42.360
<v Speaker 4>little collection of very wise individuals helping me, and finally, you.

1:44:42.320 --> 1:44:44.559
<v Speaker 5>Know, Hallmark was on board. We figured out how to

1:44:45.000 --> 1:44:48.800
<v Speaker 5>make it pay for itself because basically, the.

1:44:50.560 --> 1:44:53.280
<v Speaker 4>You know, what makes our program different than others is

1:44:53.320 --> 1:44:54.960
<v Speaker 4>that we employ our women.

1:44:55.600 --> 1:44:56.479
<v Speaker 5>So we train them.

1:44:57.280 --> 1:45:00.240
<v Speaker 4>So we find a men team who is so somebody

1:45:00.320 --> 1:45:04.479
<v Speaker 4>who has some experience in directing but would never probably

1:45:04.479 --> 1:45:05.760
<v Speaker 4>get her own movie.

1:45:05.600 --> 1:45:08.320
<v Speaker 5>At this point, and then we give her.

1:45:08.479 --> 1:45:11.599
<v Speaker 4>We pair her with a directing mentor okay for all

1:45:11.640 --> 1:45:14.000
<v Speaker 4>of prep, all of shooting, and for as much of

1:45:14.080 --> 1:45:18.479
<v Speaker 4>post as as possible. She shadows that directing mentor for

1:45:18.600 --> 1:45:22.280
<v Speaker 4>the entire movie, and then they switch and that mentor

1:45:22.400 --> 1:45:26.799
<v Speaker 4>becomes her creative producer and she has her directorial debut.

1:45:27.040 --> 1:45:28.920
<v Speaker 5>So not only are we employing her.

1:45:28.760 --> 1:45:32.120
<v Speaker 4>But we're also making sure that there's somebody there helping her,

1:45:32.560 --> 1:45:35.640
<v Speaker 4>advocating for her, making sure that she absolutely nails it

1:45:35.680 --> 1:45:37.760
<v Speaker 4>so that she can get hired in the future. So

1:45:38.439 --> 1:45:40.360
<v Speaker 4>it's called make Her Mark. And we have our very

1:45:40.360 --> 1:45:44.000
<v Speaker 4>first mentee, Crystal Lowe, who's an incredible director. She's directed

1:45:44.000 --> 1:45:45.000
<v Speaker 4>a bunch of short films.

1:45:45.320 --> 1:45:48.920
<v Speaker 5>She's been pounding the pavement as a director for fifteen years, writing,

1:45:49.000 --> 1:45:53.000
<v Speaker 5>applying to programs, shadowing, working no one trusted her with

1:45:53.040 --> 1:45:54.960
<v Speaker 5>a movie right because she's new.

1:45:55.920 --> 1:45:59.679
<v Speaker 4>So she's on set right now with Jessica Harmon, who's

1:45:59.680 --> 1:46:02.720
<v Speaker 4>on her thirteenth Hallmark movie that she's directing in the

1:46:02.800 --> 1:46:08.519
<v Speaker 4>last two years, and she's shadowing Jessica, and then Jessica

1:46:08.640 --> 1:46:12.200
<v Speaker 4>is going to become her creative producer for Crystal's directorial

1:46:12.240 --> 1:46:15.679
<v Speaker 4>debut this year. So a female director is born, thank

1:46:15.720 --> 1:46:18.400
<v Speaker 4>you very much, and we're going to be doing two

1:46:18.439 --> 1:46:21.000
<v Speaker 4>more this year. So that's three in our pilot program

1:46:21.120 --> 1:46:24.639
<v Speaker 4>and in success. I am gonna not have it stop

1:46:24.680 --> 1:46:28.080
<v Speaker 4>at directors. I want to do it for writers, producers, dops.

1:46:29.320 --> 1:46:33.080
<v Speaker 4>I think, you know, given the just the sheer quantity

1:46:33.080 --> 1:46:35.880
<v Speaker 4>of shooting that Hallmark does, I think there's no reason

1:46:35.920 --> 1:46:39.439
<v Speaker 4>why we can't have a shadow slot on every Hallmark

1:46:39.479 --> 1:46:43.040
<v Speaker 4>movie to create, you know, really a training ground for

1:46:43.120 --> 1:46:44.280
<v Speaker 4>women behind the camera.

1:46:44.479 --> 1:46:46.840
<v Speaker 2>Well I love that it's not just shadow, but then

1:46:46.880 --> 1:46:50.640
<v Speaker 2>they get an opportunity to immediately use all of these skills.

1:46:50.800 --> 1:46:52.600
<v Speaker 3>That's like so innovative.

1:46:52.680 --> 1:46:54.840
<v Speaker 1>I love that, Thank you, And they have someone that

1:46:54.880 --> 1:46:57.360
<v Speaker 1>has their back so that they're not just like thrown

1:46:57.400 --> 1:47:00.760
<v Speaker 1>into the deep bat too, Like, I ah, what a

1:47:00.760 --> 1:47:01.320
<v Speaker 1>great idea.

1:47:01.479 --> 1:47:03.280
<v Speaker 3>Wait, thank you.

1:47:03.400 --> 1:47:04.640
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I'm really proud of it.

1:47:04.720 --> 1:47:07.559
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so go check out my Instagram page. We have

1:47:07.600 --> 1:47:10.840
<v Speaker 4>more information about you know, the rest of the year's

1:47:10.880 --> 1:47:12.759
<v Speaker 4>mentees and then how to apply in the future.

1:47:13.000 --> 1:47:13.760
<v Speaker 5>We're working on it.

1:47:14.760 --> 1:47:18.759
<v Speaker 2>Awesome, awesome, Yeah, totally. We'll shut this out on the pod.

1:47:19.520 --> 1:47:22.439
<v Speaker 1>I'm so excited that Mark was not afraid to ask

1:47:22.479 --> 1:47:24.840
<v Speaker 1>you a second time and that this all worked out,

1:47:25.040 --> 1:47:27.519
<v Speaker 1>and it was so great to meet you. Hopefully we'll

1:47:27.800 --> 1:47:29.400
<v Speaker 1>run into each other in Los Angeles.

1:47:29.439 --> 1:47:35.400
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, thank you so much. You guys, we've.

1:47:35.200 --> 1:47:40.600
<v Speaker 1>Maybe never met such a positive person. She's like the smiliest,

1:47:40.720 --> 1:47:41.759
<v Speaker 1>most positive person.

1:47:42.160 --> 1:47:45.480
<v Speaker 2>And there's it's there. I don't see a seething anger underneath.

1:47:46.080 --> 1:47:50.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. No, there's not like a fake like darkness. I don't.

1:47:50.080 --> 1:47:50.960
<v Speaker 3>I don't sense that.

1:47:51.080 --> 1:47:53.479
<v Speaker 1>She just seems like she loves her life, loves her

1:47:53.520 --> 1:47:54.599
<v Speaker 1>sister like.

1:47:55.200 --> 1:47:57.880
<v Speaker 2>And there's not a Jesus freak underneath either. You know,

1:47:58.160 --> 1:48:01.800
<v Speaker 2>there's not like a Lord light either. It's like, I mean,

1:48:01.920 --> 1:48:05.680
<v Speaker 2>don't tell Hallmark that, but yes, well she could just

1:48:05.840 --> 1:48:10.280
<v Speaker 2>she could, like the lore, but it's that's not that's

1:48:10.400 --> 1:48:15.520
<v Speaker 2>not the kindness defining Yeah no, it's it's just the kindness,

1:48:15.560 --> 1:48:19.040
<v Speaker 2>you know, that that I'm sensing she could be she

1:48:19.120 --> 1:48:22.960
<v Speaker 2>could be doing what Paul Bettany did in that What

1:48:23.000 --> 1:48:25.040
<v Speaker 2>does that mean when you're hitting yourself with the leather

1:48:25.160 --> 1:48:29.439
<v Speaker 2>on your back? Oh self flagellation. Yeah, but what's that movie?

1:48:30.120 --> 1:48:36.439
<v Speaker 2>It's she could be doing that all night. He's like

1:48:36.479 --> 1:48:39.080
<v Speaker 2>a monk that like whip. Some say yeah, yeah, yeah

1:48:39.160 --> 1:48:41.280
<v Speaker 2>that really that movie really had a hold on the

1:48:41.320 --> 1:48:43.240
<v Speaker 2>culture for a couple of years.

1:48:43.280 --> 1:48:45.439
<v Speaker 3>The book, I mean, I read the book too, like

1:48:46.439 --> 1:48:47.320
<v Speaker 3>that was the book.

1:48:47.600 --> 1:48:50.479
<v Speaker 1>I loved the book, and everyone's like, the book is terrible,

1:48:50.680 --> 1:48:52.680
<v Speaker 1>like and I'm like, oh, I loved it, and it's

1:48:52.680 --> 1:48:53.760
<v Speaker 1>like a huge bestseller.

1:48:54.120 --> 1:48:56.200
<v Speaker 3>It was the fifty Shades of Gray of its.

1:48:56.040 --> 1:48:59.360
<v Speaker 1>Time, I guess, although I think Dan Brown's a better

1:48:59.400 --> 1:49:01.639
<v Speaker 1>writer than the Fifth Shades Lady for sure.

1:49:01.720 --> 1:49:06.320
<v Speaker 2>Both just seems sexy, dark and whipping a lot of whipping,

1:49:06.360 --> 1:49:09.719
<v Speaker 2>and in both yeah, whip whipping in sex.

1:49:09.880 --> 1:49:10.920
<v Speaker 3>What did we learn here?

1:49:11.200 --> 1:49:14.280
<v Speaker 1>What's our post mortem on this episode? I mean, as always,

1:49:14.320 --> 1:49:17.759
<v Speaker 1>we're way too hard on mothers, single mothers, new mothers,

1:49:18.080 --> 1:49:21.120
<v Speaker 1>Like everybody just fucking calmed down. Let this woman help

1:49:21.160 --> 1:49:23.800
<v Speaker 1>you find her son instead of I miss shaming her

1:49:23.840 --> 1:49:26.000
<v Speaker 1>on television for smoking a little weed and having a

1:49:26.080 --> 1:49:26.879
<v Speaker 1>charade party.

1:49:27.280 --> 1:49:30.360
<v Speaker 2>I missed when the news was the news, Yeah, when

1:49:30.400 --> 1:49:34.400
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't just sensationalized wild behaviors.

1:49:34.720 --> 1:49:39.439
<v Speaker 1>Oh but speaking of this, I did not cut my cable,

1:49:39.520 --> 1:49:42.400
<v Speaker 1>but I downgraded to this package where you can pick

1:49:42.439 --> 1:49:46.040
<v Speaker 1>fifteen channels and you get local channels too, so I

1:49:46.040 --> 1:49:47.439
<v Speaker 1>can watch like the Oscars and.

1:49:47.320 --> 1:49:49.360
<v Speaker 3>What is this? This is what I want to get

1:49:49.360 --> 1:49:50.639
<v Speaker 3>from my mother? What is this?

1:49:51.360 --> 1:49:55.000
<v Speaker 1>It's Spectrum and it's called like something choice, my choice

1:49:55.080 --> 1:49:57.559
<v Speaker 1>or something on spectrum. So you get all the local

1:49:57.640 --> 1:49:59.799
<v Speaker 1>channels and then you get to pick fifteen cable channels.

1:50:00.280 --> 1:50:03.000
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if they'll be Russian channels. Well, well my.

1:50:03.040 --> 1:50:06.200
<v Speaker 2>Dad has the Russian channels downstairs, but upstairs my mom

1:50:06.400 --> 1:50:08.679
<v Speaker 2>needs like some cable.

1:50:09.120 --> 1:50:12.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, so I chose no Fox News and it's

1:50:12.960 --> 1:50:15.120
<v Speaker 1>just going to be so great when my parents come

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<v Speaker 1>from and they try to flip it on because I

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<v Speaker 1>read I heard on this podcast that Fox News doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>even make its money from advertising. Like the only people

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<v Speaker 1>who fucking advertise on there are like my pillow and

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<v Speaker 1>like really bad products. Anyway, they don't get blue chip

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<v Speaker 1>advertising like BMW is not advertising on Fox News they

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<v Speaker 1>get most of their money from people's cable fees, from

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<v Speaker 1>carriage fees as they were called. And when I heard

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<v Speaker 1>this on a podcast, I was like, I'm paying to

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<v Speaker 1>keep Fox News in business by having cable, So I like,

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to reduce my cable anyway and get my

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<v Speaker 1>bill lowered. So here I am not no longer accessible

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<v Speaker 1>in my home.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't wait for your mom to have a little meltdown.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that where it goes down?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I have CNN, and I think I have BBC

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<v Speaker 1>and she can deal with that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so excited. Yeah, I can't wait.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in a videotape, but I think, I mean, no

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<v Speaker 1>plans for her to come right now, but can't wait.

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<v Speaker 2>But also, grandma's you can't just snatch like this this

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<v Speaker 2>narrative of grandparents demanding grandchildren that's out, Yes, it's out out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah godparents in demanding grandchildren out. Yes, it's rude and

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<v Speaker 2>weird and like adopt a foster kid, become a pot.

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<v Speaker 1>To a parent like yeah, figure out a hobby like yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's so it's more of this like spreading your seed

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<v Speaker 1>and your lineage and all this stuff that's like so bizarre.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I've talked about this. My mom and I have

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<v Speaker 3>this discussion.

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<v Speaker 2>Your parents just want you to suffer the way they've

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<v Speaker 2>suffered or or experienced the joys they've experienced. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>so you can they can relate to, Like, so you

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<v Speaker 2>can experience what they've experienced because you were a mean teen,

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<v Speaker 2>and then when your kid's a mean teen, you can

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<v Speaker 2>think of them when they're dead. That's that's what being

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<v Speaker 2>that's what they really want. They want when they're long gone,

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<v Speaker 2>for your teen to scream I hate you to you

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<v Speaker 2>and slam the door in your face and for you

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<v Speaker 2>to go, oh, that's what I did to my mother.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then that's that so then when they're in

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<v Speaker 2>their grave they can go, that's that's what I lived for.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you're right, that's really the circle of life.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like not revenge, but petty petty understanding, like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's not revenge, it's yeah, it's hard to break

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<v Speaker 1>out of the cycle of what you know, like everybody

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<v Speaker 1>just thinks do it the way I did, Like, we

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<v Speaker 1>do it the way Ilway did it. I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 1>conservatism anyway. And now my parents don't get Fox News

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<v Speaker 1>at my house anymore, so the cycle is broken.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, don't you.

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<v Speaker 1>Want them to visit now even faster than before? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I like don't even want my idea. I don't normally

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<v Speaker 1>want my dad to even come visit, but I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>come now, you can come visit now, Like I just

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<v Speaker 1>want you to come. But let's get into this week's

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<v Speaker 1>what would Sister Peg Do? This is our weekly segment

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<v Speaker 1>where we point you to an organization, a blog post,

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<v Speaker 1>a podcast episode, an article, something to help you get

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<v Speaker 1>more information about what we learned about in today's episode.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, Laura Kazlowski's character had been the victim

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<v Speaker 1>of domestic violence and it forced her into like a

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<v Speaker 1>relationship with another guy who had like gambling problems, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I just sort of saw the sort of

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<v Speaker 1>way that it was. And then the real life story

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<v Speaker 1>had seemed like it had at the very least emotional

1:53:37.120 --> 1:53:39.519
<v Speaker 1>abuse going on in it. So I thought I would

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<v Speaker 1>point you guys this week to an organization called Life Wire.

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<v Speaker 1>Their mission is to end domestic violence and create a

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<v Speaker 1>world where every person lives in a safe environment, free

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<v Speaker 1>from oppression and with the opportunity to thrive. They provide

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<v Speaker 1>path to safer housing because domestic violence is a leading

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<v Speaker 1>cause of homelessness among women and children in the US,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're actively working to change systems that perpetuate racism

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<v Speaker 1>and a quality even within their own organization. So for

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<v Speaker 1>more info on that, you can go to lifewire dot

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<v Speaker 1>org and that will be posted on the day that

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<v Speaker 1>the episode is released on our stories and saved forever

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<v Speaker 1>in a highlight on our Instagram called WWSPD two. Because

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<v Speaker 1>we're on our second batch of these now and next

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<v Speaker 1>week's episodes.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you hear that?

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<v Speaker 2>Plur it will be lost reputation and above suspicion. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a double and that's season fourteen episodes one end two.

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