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Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever, a production of I Heart

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Speaker 1: Radio Together Everything. So don't don't I am become death

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Speaker 1: destroyer of debates and also worlds the year ever? Look

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Speaker 1: so be It's fine. So how you introduced a podcast? Alright,

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Speaker 1: I'm the king of podcasts today, and I decide that

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Speaker 1: we're talking about the debate. I don't know if any

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Speaker 1: of us voted on that. I'm I'm gonna quote Vice

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Speaker 1: President bite it, shut up man, shut up man, repel

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Speaker 1: against the king. No, no, I reject. You don't throw.

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Speaker 1: You don't get to throw Vice President Joe Biden's words

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Speaker 1: back at me because he wasn't his drum because I

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Speaker 1: am when he said them. So there, you don't know that, guys.

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Speaker 1: We just finished, along with a lot of you guys.

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Speaker 1: I'm assuming watching, uh, the first presidential debate, and it

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Speaker 1: was I don't know what that's called. I'm gonna call

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Speaker 1: it right now, the most erotic presidential debate. It was.

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Speaker 1: It was. That is my prediction, my only prediction for

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Speaker 1: the rest of subsequent debates will not be this erotic. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like they can only get

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Speaker 1: sexier from here. I see this is where you and

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Speaker 1: I disagree, Cody, this is the real left wing split.

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Speaker 1: Candidate debates get sexier or have they peaked in terms

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Speaker 1: I'm still I'm still undecided. We'll see, well, see, this

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Speaker 1: is why we're a perfect microcosm of the American voting public. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and a nice way too because Sophie Son auto worker.

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Speaker 1: All right, we need to get this show on track

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Speaker 1: and talk about the debate, which is why we are

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Speaker 1: all here. Right. It's late for me. I'm normally in bed. Um.

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Speaker 1: I'm also recording in my bedroom next to my bed,

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Speaker 1: and it's so tempting. Um. That was really hard to watch. Um,

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Speaker 1: worse than worse than Yeah, So I don't know why

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Speaker 1: we're subjecting our friends and fans two more chaos. Um.

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Speaker 1: And that's what it was. It was chaos. Um. But

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Speaker 1: we had a little bit I think we we all

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Speaker 1: walked away with slightly different impressions and and mine was

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Speaker 1: a bit darker. UM. I felt like, what are we

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Speaker 1: trying to reach here, our our undecided voters. Um. And

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Speaker 1: to me, even though Biden did have some great points

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Speaker 1: that we're going to get to and talk about the

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Speaker 1: different things that were sent tonight, UM, I just kind

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Speaker 1: of uh, left feeling worried about how this plays, about

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Speaker 1: how they can pick apart what was said, um, and

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Speaker 1: just horrified that this was allowed to happen. Like, come on,

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Speaker 1: Chris Wallace, I don't know. There have to be things

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Speaker 1: that you can do to get that under control my work,

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Speaker 1: straight up, man, straight up, just tell them to shut

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Speaker 1: the funk up. Just just Mr President, I need you

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Speaker 1: to shut the fuck up for one fucking second in

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Speaker 1: your goddamn life. You did say to shut up or

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Speaker 1: that or no, but that was Biden, not Chris Wallace. Um. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's an impossible job because of who was

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Speaker 1: to do. Um, but could have done a little bit better,

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Speaker 1: could have shown a little less respect for the guy

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Speaker 1: on stage who deserves none of your respect. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would have liked a throne punch. The shut up

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Speaker 1: man was good. I would have liked it if he

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Speaker 1: just tried to cold cock him. I think that would

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Speaker 1: have been And especially if he'd cold cocked him while

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Speaker 1: covering his mouth with his hand, that would have been

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Speaker 1: a good move. It would have been a good move.

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Speaker 1: That's both. Yeah. I mentioned earlier today, like I and

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Speaker 1: he he didn't do this entirely. Um. And part of it,

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Speaker 1: I think it's just like the sharpness a little you know,

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Speaker 1: sharpness has gone down a little bit. Um, but uh,

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Speaker 1: stop with the have you no decency stuff and just

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Speaker 1: like tell him to shut up, treat him like a bully. Like,

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Speaker 1: I just don't know if like anyone's like watching the

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Speaker 1: debate undecided, like, oh, which one is more reasonable? Which

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Speaker 1: half of the things that he was saying. I was

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Speaker 1: disappointed right out of the gate. And he did have

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Speaker 1: In Trump's rambling answer, he said, well, I can guarantee

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Speaker 1: would do it. That end of sentence. Biden's chance to talk,

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Speaker 1: For me, I was so frustrated. Um. But over and

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Speaker 1: over again things like that, like just you know, say

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Speaker 1: all debates, Like you're frustrated because they're not saying the

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Speaker 1: UM that I think unfortunately comes down to, like, ah,

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Speaker 1: we nominated the oldest guy. Uh he's not as sharp

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Speaker 1: just true. Like we don't need to get into like

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Speaker 1: it would have been nice to have somebody who's like

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Speaker 1: that even when they talked about nothing negative has happened

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Speaker 1: at any of my rallies. Hermin Kine fucking died. What

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Speaker 1: why didn't he bring that was like your friend, your

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Speaker 1: and then he fucking died. He died. Now he's a

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Speaker 1: fucking corpse, like slam dunk. And it's like a lot

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Speaker 1: Trump is saying. Yeah, the Garland thing was like very blatant,

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Speaker 1: but it did happen over and over again, and I

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Speaker 1: of different advice. I'm like, don't do this, don't go

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Speaker 1: But part of it is I think that he's just

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Speaker 1: That was he was He was really bad in the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court stuff. He picked up later on that the

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Speaker 1: whoever's coaching him? Um, when he when Trump brought up

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Speaker 1: Like that's really fucking good. Um. And I will say,

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Speaker 1: didn't throw Antifa under the bus. He kind of did

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Speaker 1: But when I finished the scotch, we can talk about

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Speaker 1: the Proud Boys. We should be clear I was meeting

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Speaker 1: Trump saying to the Proud Boys specifically to stay back. Yes, yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: That's what I keep coming back to. The first few

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Speaker 1: good point, and it's important to consider because You're right,

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Speaker 1: you Trump, Joe motherfucker, like and like man, what do

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Speaker 1: you mean you? Yeah? And then and then gotten into it.

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Speaker 1: I yeah, I mean wow. Okay. So there's there's We've

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Speaker 1: got a debate watchers poll out from CNN. This was

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Speaker 1: just posted by Matt McDermott, who's a polster. Uh with

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Speaker 1: Vice President Whitman insight strategies, I guess uh, And this

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Speaker 1: is he's got a screen grab from CNN here, So

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Speaker 1: this is their poll, which has a six point three

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Speaker 1: percent margin of error. Um, who won the debate? Joe Biden,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump? Now that's CNN. I would say, let's let's

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Speaker 1: eight Joe by okay, Um, so I would say, like

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Speaker 1: they're Barney six point three. It's fucking CNN. So let's

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Speaker 1: say it's still a comfortable lead for Joe. If that's

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Speaker 1: this is even in like the Vegas ballpark of accurate.

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Speaker 1: So that's not terrible. Pretty sure the debates too, well, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's fair. Although, speaking of Hiller Clinton being uh in

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Speaker 1: all the debates as well, it's very weird that Trump

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Speaker 1: kept saying that Biden called uh uh black criminal super predators,

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Speaker 1: which he didn't and like he like Biden sucks on

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Speaker 1: the criminal like all all the stuff we've talked about

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Speaker 1: the crime bill. But it's very funny that he was

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Speaker 1: like superpredators, super predators, and your husband Bill or like whatever,

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Speaker 1: Like he didn't get to that far, but it's very

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Speaker 1: clear he's like confusing the whole thing. Also, does Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden hate law and order or did he write the

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Speaker 1: disastrous crime bill? Pick one? What are we doing? Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: those are. It's very inconsistent, and I guess that's part

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Speaker 1: of I'm so surprised Joe didn't pivot harder on the

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Speaker 1: law and order. That he did state that like some

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Speaker 1: there's police officers who need to be in fucking prison. Um,

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Speaker 1: there need to be dialogues and civil rights leaders need

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Speaker 1: to be a part of them, and like, that's not

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Speaker 1: what I believe. But he also didn't say he thought

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Speaker 1: defunding the police was always the wrong decision. He did

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Speaker 1: embrace that in certain circumstances, which is not again, it's

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Speaker 1: it's not where I am. But I didn't expect Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden to throw anything towards that, and it it's not

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Speaker 1: so much that like it's an act of courage and

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Speaker 1: we sup praise him for it. We should be reading

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Speaker 1: what the Democratic Party is seeing in the decisions Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden is making. And one of the decisions they're clearly

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Speaker 1: making is that you can't throw Antifa under the bus completely.

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Speaker 1: You can't um give it all to the cops completely.

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Speaker 1: And we'll talk about this and I guess very soon,

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Speaker 1: you can't throw the Green New Deal under the bus.

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Speaker 1: Because while he like his statement about not coming up

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Speaker 1: with it was I don't know. We'll talk about that second.

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Speaker 1: He specifically stated that it paid for itself, like he

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Speaker 1: felt that it was important politically to defend it to

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Speaker 1: that extent, even though he's not committing to it, which

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Speaker 1: which is noteworthy. That's not that's something to pay attention

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Speaker 1: to if you actually care about, maybe like where the

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Speaker 1: party is getting pulled, if you believe parties can be

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Speaker 1: pulled and you're not just a bomb thrower, Um, then

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Speaker 1: that's an important thing to pay attention to. It was.

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Speaker 1: It was a bummer because um he did. It felt

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Speaker 1: like you threw the greeny Deal under the bus in

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Speaker 1: a way, in the same way he rejects a lot

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Speaker 1: of like the like the socialized medicine, the Bernie the

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Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders comments. All that was all very frustrating. His

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Speaker 1: green deal comment, like some of it was like, man,

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Speaker 1: just people like people like the new deal. I don't

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Speaker 1: support the green new Deal, right. That kind of stuff

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Speaker 1: is very frustrating, especially having like conversations with people who like,

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Speaker 1: actually Biden loves the Green New Deals and his plans. No,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't stop saying that, stop dying for him. We

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Speaker 1: can be honest and say it's better than X or Y,

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Speaker 1: but the the lying form is very frustrating. But you're

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Speaker 1: right that that is an element where like it squashes

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Speaker 1: the argument of like, if we're gonna do something for

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Speaker 1: the environment, if we're gonna do anything anything resembling the

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Speaker 1: Green New Deal. It pays for itself because it intrinsically

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Speaker 1: creates jobs, which should be a conservative thing, you know,

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Speaker 1: creating jobs and getting people work. And it was when

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Speaker 1: famous leftist president Richard Nixon unbelievable. No, I just want

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Speaker 1: to know what you guys think about, um, some of

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Speaker 1: the the mail in ballot voters stuff, because that is

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Speaker 1: what right now I was, and I wasn't expecting them

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Speaker 1: to do this. But the entire time, like, cut his mike,

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Speaker 1: cut his mike. What are you doing? Rhone? Stop airing

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Speaker 1: this stuff. They're going to every single network is going

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Speaker 1: to air Donald Trump's victory speech on election night. They

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Speaker 1: will air it under they will go to his podium,

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Speaker 1: they'll show his podium live for twenty minutes and he'll

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Speaker 1: be empty. He'll go out and he'll declare victory and

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Speaker 1: they'll they'll come back to them after he doesn't and

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Speaker 1: they'll be like, wow, very Oh, why is he allowed

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Speaker 1: to do like they'll they'll it's they're just gonna do

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Speaker 1: the same fucking thing. It's so maddening. But also I

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Speaker 1: mean that it's good. I couldn't hear you. Um well,

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Speaker 1: I was just I mean, that element of it was. Yes,

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Speaker 1: all of that's very scary and frustrating, but also just

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Speaker 1: um his messaging. Of course, it's the stuff that he's

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Speaker 1: been saying all along, but I just gasped when talking

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Speaker 1: about ballots and fraud and all of that, and and

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Speaker 1: just the shift he's saying. What was he even saying

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Speaker 1: people can buy their ballots from the postman? Does he

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Speaker 1: think that mailman? An he's saying that you're finding ballots

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Speaker 1: in creeks in creek if you, if you, if you

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Speaker 1: transcribed that, hopped into a time machine, jumped back to

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Speaker 1: Nineto and got back into what would have been Cody

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Speaker 1: season three of The Simpsons, and gave that to the

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Speaker 1: Simpsons show runners for the guy the voice actor who

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Speaker 1: does Abe Simpson's voice to read it would have matched

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Speaker 1: perfectly like his whole rans They're finding trump balance in

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Speaker 1: the in the streams. They had my lasted an onion

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Speaker 1: to my belt moment. What was that at all? It

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Speaker 1: was the style at the times. Katie angry Man shouts

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Speaker 1: at Cloud. It's just I was yelling at the TV

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Speaker 1: at this point. But my mom called me afterwards, who

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Speaker 1: is a moderate Democrat, But she said, did Trump say

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Speaker 1: that he wants people to watch us while we vote?

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Speaker 1: To make sure that? He sure did so? Well? What

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Speaker 1: kind of creamy shoes? That's oh no, because back then

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Speaker 1: Nichols had pictures of bees on them. Give me five

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Speaker 1: bees for a quarter, yeah, which, yeah, give me five

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Speaker 1: bees for a quarter, you'd say, and then you put

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Speaker 1: it in your pocket next to the onion that you

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Speaker 1: had tied to your belt, which was the style at

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Speaker 1: the time. Um, yeah, wid um, Yeah, we can talk

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Speaker 1: about that moment now. Then you know what, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about that moment we get back from this commercial break.

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Speaker 1: You know what, won't give you five bees for a quarter?

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Speaker 1: These products and services everything, and we're back. Um, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about that moment some more. The one where

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00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: he urged his supporters to go to the polls and

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Speaker 1: watch that was a good So I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of context actually do it. It doesn't need context, but

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Speaker 1: it could use some context. So all right, let me

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Speaker 1: get let me start with the context. So, the way

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Speaker 1: that a rifle works is you have these cartridges that

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Speaker 1: are usually brass with a metal slug, and then you

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Speaker 1: hit a primer that detonates and ignites the gun pattern,

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Speaker 1: propelling the bullet out of the barrel, which spins the

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Speaker 1: bullet for greater accuracy so that it goes into the

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Speaker 1: head of a dissident. And that's more or less what

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Speaker 1: Donald I think, I think what Donald Trump was going

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Speaker 1: for there. Sorry for that. I didn't even know that

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Speaker 1: was that was a good pair. I would have I wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: I would have spent twenty minutes on that. Um. But

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Speaker 1: I think you nailed it. Um Yeah, man, wild stuff. UM.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know what we've talked about. We've talked

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Speaker 1: about this before in other podcasts about UM. Actually, on

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Speaker 1: the day after we did our Q and on episode

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Speaker 1: we talked ABOUTQ and on a recap of Q and

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Speaker 1: on the day after that is when the President was

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Speaker 1: asked on camera if he could have announced Q and

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Speaker 1: on and he said that they love me, you know that.

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00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: What's wrong with that? Yeah? Yeah, yeah. And so in

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Speaker 1: the wake of that, a few days later, and then

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Speaker 1: like I don't want to, like we don't need to

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Speaker 1: like pile on or whatever. Like a lot of people

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Speaker 1: seem to think it's a great idea to keep pushing

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Speaker 1: Trump on this, even though maybe it's a terrible idea

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Speaker 1: to let the president or even have anybody any anybody,

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Speaker 1: maybe don't broadcast Q and on to the entire nation

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Speaker 1: because you know what they're gonna google Q and on,

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Speaker 1: and you know how many people are gonna get into

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Speaker 1: it from that more than we want, which is, do

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Speaker 1: you guys remember when we had President George W. Bush

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Speaker 1: who invaded two countries and lead directly to the deaths

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Speaker 1: of hundreds of thousands of innocent people. That's a weird

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Speaker 1: way to say some huh. I mean, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: just like the fact that he was willing to even

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Speaker 1: vaguely talk down his supporters at one point when they

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Speaker 1: got to racist like, yeah, I'm not at the point yet.

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Speaker 1: I'm still I will say, I'm still not at the

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Speaker 1: point where I wanted to say that that Trump is

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Speaker 1: a worse president than George W. Bush. What I will

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Speaker 1: say is that Trump is a worst president than George W.

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Speaker 1: Bush when it comes to inciting violence, within the United States,

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Speaker 1: which again is not the whole picture, because George Bush

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Speaker 1: invaded two countries. Yeah, like the guy broadus um, Yeah,

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00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: but he's not doing what the president's doing currently well

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Speaker 1: And like some so like people have been suggesting, like

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Speaker 1: like what Jed leg him lug him uh during the debate,

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Speaker 1: legume during the debate should challenge Trump to denounce Q

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Speaker 1: and on terrible idea. Don't do that. I'm so glad

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Speaker 1: they know they're probably gonna do it in debate two

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Speaker 1: or three. If you're listening to this, Joe Biden, don't

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Speaker 1: fucking do that. Also, Medicare for All number three is

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00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: just gonna be Trump and Biden arguing about whether or

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Speaker 1: not JFK Jr. Is alive, right and and and Trump

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00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: will be like, no, of course not, because he was

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Speaker 1: his father was killed by Bernie Sanders. And then Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden will be like, actually was killed by Ted Cruz's dad.

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Speaker 1: But but Q and on. So I'm tying it back

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Speaker 1: to what Trump was saying up there. Yes, in the

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Speaker 1: context of this asking, Trump did announce anybody's a terrible

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Speaker 1: idea because what he's going to do is emboldened those people.

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Speaker 1: That's what he's going to do. Ultimately, don't ask him

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Speaker 1: to dennounce anybody. Stop it. But the we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: another one of these stupid fucking rallies where I live

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Speaker 1: and I we just barely made it. Well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: someone asked him, he literally asked him to denounce the

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Speaker 1: Proud Boys. I couldn't do it. He couldn't do that

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Speaker 1: stand down and stand by. Well, so what do you

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Speaker 1: What they started with was white supremacist, which was yeah,

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Speaker 1: and the right wing militia groups they said, and then

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Speaker 1: they were like, will be specific and like name one,

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Speaker 1: name one, because President Trump could couldn't possibly name one.

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Speaker 1: They said proud Boys, and his response was that they

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Speaker 1: should stand back and stand by, not stand down. And

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Speaker 1: I have seen I have seen a lot of people,

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Speaker 1: a lot of Heritage Center weirdos and like a lot

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Speaker 1: of like people in the conservative media being like, well

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Speaker 1: he said stand down, No, no, he said back and

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Speaker 1: then by he never said down. Um, And so that's

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Speaker 1: fucked up. First of all, So he's so, and that's

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Speaker 1: sure not how it's being like, we're watching the crowd

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Speaker 1: boys right now, I can see them. The first response

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Speaker 1: by by Joe Biggs, former Info Wars UH co host

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Speaker 1: and famous Proud Boy who I was within a few

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Speaker 1: feet of last weekend, Joe Biggs said, let me, let

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Speaker 1: me get let me pull up this exact quote for you.

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Speaker 1: So I'm being very fair to to Joe Biggs. Trump

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Speaker 1: basically said to go fuck them up. This makes me

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Speaker 1: so happy and two fifty six likes up votes at

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Speaker 1: the time. Enrico Tario, Enrique Tario, headed the Proud Boy,

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Speaker 1: said standing by, sir, So they're very ready, no go ahead, Uh, Enrique.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting how it's being framed because his response, UH

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Speaker 1: to telling the Proud Boy, he's told Trump proud boys

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Speaker 1: to stand by. I'm extremely proud of my guys right now.

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Speaker 1: A small group of men who aren't afraid of the

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Speaker 1: mob have accomplished so much. We have always stood back

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Speaker 1: and stood by America, and we will continue to do so.

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Speaker 1: There there, let me put my finger on Why that's wrong, Cody.

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Speaker 1: I can't put my finger on it because they broke

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Speaker 1: it with a baton because I was standing near them

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00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: with a camera and they wanted to hit me, and

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Speaker 1: then they assaulted me several more times with a shield.

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Speaker 1: Um so all right, but I was going to put

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Speaker 1: my finger on it. But all the violence, this is

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Speaker 1: voter suppression. It's telling also, I mean, it's inciting violence.

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Speaker 1: But what it's also doing is and I'm I when

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Speaker 1: I was doing campaigning for the mid term elections, I

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Speaker 1: think it was no, it was for the special Doug

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Speaker 1: Jones special Senate released I don't know. And I called

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Speaker 1: some woman and she said, is he really going to

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Speaker 1: be better? Is it worth risking my life to go

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Speaker 1: out there? She was a black woman. You know, I'm

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Speaker 1: scared right now for my husband to go to the

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Speaker 1: grocery store. Is it worth it for me to go

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Speaker 1: show up for this person? So that's the first thing

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Speaker 1: that I thought about, was that conversation. That's yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: something that completely depressing. I mean, and that's what he's

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Speaker 1: doing because not like he said when he said, stand

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Speaker 1: back and stand by, not stand down, stop saying that

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Speaker 1: your liars anyway. Uh. After he said that, he followed

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Speaker 1: he followed it up by saying, stand back and stand by,

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Speaker 1: but something needs to be done about Antifa. So not

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Speaker 1: only did he say to stop stop stop in quotes,

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Speaker 1: but he followed, like the end of his sentence was,

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00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: but something needs to happen. We need to do something

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Speaker 1: about them. And it is so baffling and frustrating that

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00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: there was no follow up at all at all. And

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Speaker 1: then twenty minutes later, after telling the Proud Boys to

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Speaker 1: stand back and stand by, twenty minutes later he said,

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Speaker 1: my people quote, my people need to go to the

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Speaker 1: polls and watch those are those are very related? Alarmingly related. Um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's being a criminal. He's a he's a thug, and

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Speaker 1: they're just letting him say that stuff on stage. Uh,

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Speaker 1: no one has learned anything, It's wild. I don't want

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Speaker 1: to say no one's learned anything, because there are some

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00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: signs and it is very early, right, so I don't

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Speaker 1: want to be making like comprehensive signs. There are some

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Speaker 1: early signs that some people who previously were part of

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Speaker 1: the problem might be part of the solution. One of

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Speaker 1: those people is Joe Biden, who so I posted, you know,

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Speaker 1: the comments that you were just quoting, some of them

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Speaker 1: at least from Enrique and from Joe Biggs. Like the

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Speaker 1: comment I quoted from Joe Biggs, I posted them. The

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Speaker 1: guy who beat me to them was Mike Baker, who's

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Speaker 1: a local Portland reporter. But who was a reporter, a

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Speaker 1: correspondent to the for the New York Times. And he's

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00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,240
Speaker 1: a pretty good journalist. I respect my quite a bit. Um.

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Speaker 1: And he he posted a screen grab of those same conversations,

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Speaker 1: which Joe Biden tweeted. Joe Biden quote tweeted and said, this, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just now, fifty three minutes ago, this, this is Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump's America. In addition to that, I am reading right

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Speaker 1: now from someone who I I I don't know, I

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Speaker 1: can I think is reasonably um reliable, somebody that I've

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Speaker 1: seen not be wrong in the future that I don't

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Speaker 1: think we'll be lying about this. The Jake Trapper called

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Speaker 1: the Proud Boys and Neil fascist group. Um. So what

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Speaker 1: I will say, I'm not glad that the Proud Boys

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Speaker 1: got any kind of because they will talk a little

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00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: bit about this week this last weekend they got, they got.

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Speaker 1: It was very embarrassing for them. I'm not proud that

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Speaker 1: they got anything to be to get excited about. But

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Speaker 1: the fact that a lot of previously kind of centrist

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Speaker 1: and milk toast folks might start to come out against

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Speaker 1: them now. Um, And because they've been sort of made

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Speaker 1: into a lightning rod, and and the fact that they'll

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Speaker 1: be probably a part of election interference has been very highlighted.

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Speaker 1: That's not necessarily a bad thing if people stay consistent

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Speaker 1: in this, and we'll see, because it might lead to

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Speaker 1: a bunch of people like Jake Tapper going and talking

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Speaker 1: to the Proud Boys and getting charmed by them because

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Speaker 1: they're dumbest shit, because Jake Tapper is a very dumb person.

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Speaker 1: Um tap Tapper's yeah bit done, like the both sides

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00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,959
Speaker 1: stuff with Antifa, and like a lot of the really

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00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: like botch the Andy Nose story and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: Mac Matt Matt Visor, who is a national political reporter

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Speaker 1: at the Washington Post and not someone I think would

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Speaker 1: tweet bullshit. I haven't got a chance to watch all

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Speaker 1: of Snion's coverage, but Matt Visor says that on CNN,

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Speaker 1: Jake Tapper said that was a hot mess, inside a

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Speaker 1: dumpster fire, inside a train wreck, that the American people

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Speaker 1: lost tonight because that was horrific, and then Dana Bash

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Speaker 1: added that was a ship show. So I don't know,

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Speaker 1: maybe people are learning finally at the eleventh fucking hour

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00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: because they should be terrified. I wrote an article Belling

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Speaker 1: Cat recently about the fucking militia networks that are setting

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Speaker 1: up in the Pacific Northwest and talking about like assassinating

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00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: our governor and killing leftists and forming death squads like

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Speaker 1: they're working on it right now. You ought to be scared.

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Speaker 1: You want to be taking deliberate, concerted action to deal

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00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: with your fear and as supposed to just being scared. Um,

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Speaker 1: I am not certain. Time will tell whether or not

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00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: it's a bad thing. Like obviously the fact that the

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00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: President is directly signaling to these people is bad. It is.

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Speaker 1: Time will tell whether or not it's a bad thing

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00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 1: that they got brought up because it might lead to

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Speaker 1: people galvanizing against the motherfucking Proud Boys who are a

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00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: threat as opposed to Antifa, who like trash cans on

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Speaker 1: fire in front of police stations. Mostly, I think that's

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00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:28,280
Speaker 1: a really good point because they want people to have healthcare.

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00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: And Robert referenced a minute ago something that Joe Biden

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00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: retweeted and mentioned, and I just want to point out

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00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 1: that do you want to know what Trump is mentioning?

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00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: He's posting a photo of him versus Wallace and Biden

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00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: on his Twitter. That's what he's this, That's what he's

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00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 1: doing right now, he's posting about how he'd like Joe

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Speaker 1: Rogan to to do the debate as a moderator. That

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Speaker 1: those are the two things he's posted since the Also, uh,

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00:45:55,480 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 1: seven hours seven hours ago, he emailed everybody, I just

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Speaker 1: debating Joe Biden. This debate will go down in history.

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00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: I showed the American people I will like it's like,

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00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: it's it's they're falling apart. It's it's a bummer. You

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Speaker 1: know who I fucking want to moderate one of these debates.

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Speaker 1: Who I actually would like to see because I don't

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Speaker 1: actually disagree that that that, Uh, Rogan would be the

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Speaker 1: like he'd be better than most presidential debate moderators have

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Speaker 1: been in our lifetimes. Not that I particularly want to

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Speaker 1: see him do it because he's not competent. Yeah, he'd

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Speaker 1: be better than Wallace was. I want to see Shepherd Smith.

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Speaker 1: Shepherd Smith. Yeah, a lot of critiques to make about

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Speaker 1: the man that are valid. Shepherd Smith has more of

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Speaker 1: a record than probably any other network TV host of

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Speaker 1: directly standing in front of Republican elected officials and spokespeople

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00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: and questioning them. Um, he's he's pretty good at this

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Speaker 1: within the context of a job that I don't think

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Speaker 1: is a good job that anyone should do. He's more

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Speaker 1: responsible with it than anyone else. Um, and I think

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Speaker 1: he'd be a good debate moderator. Do you think that

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Speaker 1: cutting his mike even is an option that would be amazing?

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Speaker 1: If he doesn't start, it needs to be from now,

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00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: something would be outraged by him being well, those are

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Speaker 1: the fucking rules that everybody decided on, agreed to. And

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Speaker 1: that's the thing. People have talked about this, like every

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Speaker 1: debate that happens, people talk about this, every primary debate,

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00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,720
Speaker 1: peopill talk about like cut their mics. They're just arguing,

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00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: it's nonsense, this is hell. We're watching hell right now, um,

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00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: and actually being able to be like, it's not watching

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00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: these people. It's awful, unbearable. Every moment of tonight was

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00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: just like God, you couldn't hear either one of them

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00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 1: for most and like we're doing it. We're doing a

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Speaker 1: great job creating that for for our audience like this,

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00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: like I'm we're we're we're expressing our distaste for the

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00:47:56,200 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 1: night by recreating it for you. Um, but my god,

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Speaker 1: just like cut their mics, I'm talking about us. Do

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Speaker 1: we want to end with an update on Portland. Are

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Speaker 1: you guys toast No, I can talk a little bit

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Speaker 1: about Portland's So I didn't sleep for the first three

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Speaker 1: days last week because I was work, or at least

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Speaker 1: I didn't sleep really um, because I received some leaked

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Speaker 1: chats from an anti fascist collective called Eugene Antifa um

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00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: of They had infiltrated and gained access to a group

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Speaker 1: called the Patriot Coalition, which is a far right insurgent

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Speaker 1: movement in the Pacific Northwest that has direct contact with

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Speaker 1: and is affiliated with the Proud Boys, another group called

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Speaker 1: American Wolf and with Patriot Prayer, who both more local UM.

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Speaker 1: In those chats, as we outlined in an article for

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Speaker 1: The Guardian that I wrote with Jason Wilson and four

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Speaker 1: Belling Cat that I also wrote with Jason uh, they

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Speaker 1: outlined plans to carry out night raids on anti fascist protests,

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Speaker 1: murdering people, their plans to attack a c l u

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Speaker 1: A observers and National Lawyers Guild Legal observers, their plans

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Speaker 1: to kill people they decided were anti FU during the

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Speaker 1: fires and throw their corpses into the fires, and their

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Speaker 1: plans to kill the Mayor of Portland and the Governor

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Speaker 1: of Oregon, UM, or at least their desire to do so,

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00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 1: would be more accurate to say so. We we published

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Speaker 1: this article and it had a pretty big influence, and

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Speaker 1: very soon after the governor declared a state of emergency

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Speaker 1: UM and announced that they would be pursuing paramilitary charges

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Speaker 1: against the Proud Boys if there were assaults committed during

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Speaker 1: the rally that occurred on the twenty six that everybody

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Speaker 1: was very worried about. And as a result, UM things were.

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Speaker 1: The police actually showed up and policed the Proud Boys there.

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Speaker 1: They cited a number of them, um criminally, they took

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Speaker 1: some of their guns, they took a number of other weapons,

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Speaker 1: they confiscated their shields. Now, obviously they were much more

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Speaker 1: brutal to anti fascist protesters later that night and to

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Speaker 1: journalists later that night, and the Proud Boys assaulted journalists

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Speaker 1: the same day. But they face some consequences, and there

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Speaker 1: was no massive gun fight between Antifa and Proud Boys

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Speaker 1: as people were worried about. And I there's a number

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Speaker 1: of things that that story says to me. One of

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Speaker 1: them is that, um, there's a small amount of credit

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Speaker 1: that Jason and I can take the Lion's share of

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Speaker 1: the credit goes to this anti fascist collective UM for

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Speaker 1: the credit for getting that story out that kind of

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Speaker 1: started the ball whirling on the government after four years

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Speaker 1: taking this seriously. It goes to local members of the

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Speaker 1: community who's worked together in a collective to highlight this

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Speaker 1: problem and publicize it UM, and it's it's kind of

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Speaker 1: a an endorsement of at least one of the tactics.

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Speaker 1: You know, anti fascists engaged in a number of tactics,

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Speaker 1: a number of which are critiquable that I don't know

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Speaker 1: are are super effective, But the bulk of what they

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Speaker 1: do is this kind of stuff. It's infiltration and research.

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Speaker 1: It's revealing what these people are saying and planning, and

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Speaker 1: more than anything, the work that they did and the

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00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: reaction that it received in the local from it and

850
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Speaker 1: the impact that had on this city in reducing violence

851
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Speaker 1: is an endorsement of a lot of the tactics that

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Speaker 1: they've engaged in. Now, there were a lot of other

853
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Speaker 1: things that were involved in the success this weekend. A

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Speaker 1: number of different activist groups planned rallies, the smallest of

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Speaker 1: which was still larger than the Proud Boy rally. UM.

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Speaker 1: There were a lot of different kind of safety teams

857
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Speaker 1: that came together, people who worked together to make uh

858
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Speaker 1: to to ensure that the Proud Boys were outnumbered on

859
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Speaker 1: the streets by counter protesters, and to ensure that things

860
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,800
Speaker 1: did not proceed to a direct armed confrontation. So a

861
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Speaker 1: ton of people, all of whom like like, deserve a

862
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 1: lot of credit. Um, we're responsible for this not being

863
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Speaker 1: a horrific ship show. And I I I do, like,

864
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Speaker 1: I don't want to, I don't want to forget that,

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Speaker 1: but I think it's important as these groups are like

866
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Speaker 1: sort of increasingly, these kind of anti fascist groups are

867
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Speaker 1: increasingly demonized. To note, they revealed to the governor of

868
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: Oregon that people were talking about murdering her behind her back. Um,

869
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 1: there there was a police response to the Proud Boys

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Speaker 1: because of the work that these people, and this is

871
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Speaker 1: dangerous work. The person at least who infiltrated that that

872
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,879
Speaker 1: group took a lot of risk on themselves that has

873
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: not been dissipated. They will be at risk for the

874
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: foreseeable future. And I I think with all of this

875
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: fucking talk about anti but most of which revolves around

876
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: people lighting random ship on fire or throwing fireworks or

877
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: the very occasional molotov. What most of them are actually

878
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: doing is risking their lives to bring people information that

879
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 1: makes their communities safer. And I yeah, that's the real

880
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:48,280
Speaker 1: That's what nobody's saying, except for people like you or

881
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 1: you know, in the movement a bit more. But nobody's

882
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,839
Speaker 1: doing the important job of saying, like, actually, look at

883
00:52:53,880 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 1: what this is. They're not trying to debunk the narrative. Yeah, no, there, um,

884
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: And I talk about this, you know, I've I've among

885
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:09,240
Speaker 1: some people controversially gone and lectured to to counter terrorism

886
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: classes at American universities, UM, sometimes alongside members of federal

887
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: law enforcement agencies. And I will tell them, listen to

888
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 1: these people. They know what they're saying. And the body

889
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: count is very one sided, right, like one group is

890
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 1: committing all the murders. Here. You've got one fucking shooting

891
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 1: you can pin on Antifa, and there's a really fucking

892
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: good chance it was a legitimate self defense sheet. If

893
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: you're talking about the shooting of Date J. Danielson, which

894
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:36,919
Speaker 1: came up in this debate. Um. Not that I'm willing

895
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: to go to bat on one side of that or

896
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: the other, because I haven't seen, like all of the

897
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 1: footage isn't available. It's uncertain as to whether or not

898
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 1: it was a justified shoot. I wouldn't call it an

899
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 1: act of terrorism. Um, we certainly haven't seen that kind

900
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,879
Speaker 1: of evidence, whereas there's three hundreds something murders by white

901
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: supremacists in the last few years. Um, so yeah, I

902
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: don't know, Like like I don't know, Thank you Eugene

903
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 1: Antifa for looking out for other people in your state. Um,

904
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: and I don't know. Fuck the Donald Trump because he's

905
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 1: a dick. Yeah, that seems like a great way to

906
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: end this episode. Also, that's horrifying what you've Also. Vice

907
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 1: was wrong because they claimed in their article that was

908
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: making fun of the Proud Boys for having a disappointing

909
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: show up, that a thousand Proud Boys show up, we

910
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 1: have overshots. They were like fucking three of those sons

911
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: of bitches at the most and they kicked a dude

912
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 1: in the head for no reason. So fuck them. Um,

913
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: fuck the Proud Boys, Fuck the President, Donald Trump, Donald Trump, Yeah,

914
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:41,720
Speaker 1: and embrace Satan. Sorry I said that out loud today. Um,

915
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 1: I just have no I screamed fuck Donald Trump, and

916
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:48,720
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know if they've ever actually

917
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 1: said that sentence before. And it's what I think every day,

918
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 1: and it fels so good to say, yeah, fuck them,

919
00:54:56,000 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 1: it's um. It's something that in regards to UM, I

920
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: see a lot of one. He sucks so bad. Um,

921
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: everyone's really worried about, like are we gonna get like

922
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,800
Speaker 1: we're gonna vote him out? Like you're criticizing Joe Biden,

923
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 1: but are you gonna go for Roe for him? And

924
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 1: like all the Trump stuff. I really think that a

925
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: lot of that is going to dissipate as we get

926
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 1: closer and closer to the election, because Trump fucking sucks.

927
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 1: Everybody hates him. He's the most hateable man. He's a

928
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 1: real piece of ship. He sucks so much, sucks so

929
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: fucking bad. It's so easy to hate him and want

930
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 1: him to lose. You don't even have to like Joe Biden.

931
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: You can love the idea of him losing. Fuck him

932
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 1: so hard. And of course our authoritarian looks and talks

933
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: like him like yeah, embarrassing. Yeah, he's the most American

934
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:52,760
Speaker 1: FASCI could possibly imagine. He's a ship authoritarian we could

935
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 1: possibly choose if you had, you have to guess in

936
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:00,800
Speaker 1: the eighties. What a fascist American villain would be. It

937
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 1: would be Donald Trump. Would we improve that second? Yeah? Yeah,

938
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Speaker 1: a Meckis Brothers got This episode has got to end.

939
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Speaker 1: You know what else has to end, Katie. These deals

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941
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Speaker 1: you were telling me the other day, I've got to

942
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Speaker 1: go to a wedding in Afghanistan and I don't know

943
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: how to murder everyone who plans to attend. Oh, what

944
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Speaker 1: about a hell fire missile. I know you're saying. You're

945
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: saying I am allergic to traditional explosives. Well not hexagen, Katie,

946
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Speaker 1: You're not allergic to hexagen. So let's bring a hexagen

947
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Speaker 1: missile in and let it blow up a bunch of

948
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Speaker 1: people in Afghanistan at that wedding. Thank you, Rathel. Give

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