Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod meets Tworld, a podcast that began with
Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars, wandered through castles, survived beaches, and
Speaker 1: spent an entire season debating the social hierarchy of cocktail parties,
Speaker 1: and along the way, Will and I riffed on what
Speaker 1: I thought was an entirely hypothetical observation, maybe arranged marriage
Speaker 1: isn't the worst idea. Well, apparently our producers were listening.
Speaker 1: So now we're watching Married at First Sight season twenty,
Speaker 1: a show where complete strangers meet at the altar, say
Speaker 1: I do, and only then begin the awkward process of
Speaker 1: discovering whether they have anything whatsoever in common. We are Wilfredell,
Speaker 1: who loves love and believes marriage should be about the marriage,
Speaker 1: not the wedding, and Rather Strong, who also loves love
Speaker 1: and made one observation about arranged marriage and is now
Speaker 1: being forced to defend it for an entire television season.
Speaker 1: Join us as experts, therapists, family members, and complete strangers
Speaker 1: all attempt the oldest social experiment in human history with confessionals.
Speaker 1: This is Pod meets Twirled.
Speaker 2: All or Nothing. How's it going, Will.
Speaker 3: I'm good rider? How are you doing?
Speaker 2: You're excited? To be moving out of the city.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I have my bags packed and I
Speaker 4: will jump right into an arranged marriage to.
Speaker 3: Get the hell out of the city.
Speaker 1: I yeah, I had no idea that when we riffed
Speaker 1: on this and we said, like, wish there should be
Speaker 1: a thing where there's a panel of people that pay
Speaker 1: this exists, and this show exists. You have watched the
Speaker 1: show before. I have never even heard of this show.
Speaker 1: It makes sense that the show exists. I am so
Speaker 1: on board with it. But tell me your history.
Speaker 2: What's your history with Merit at first sight?
Speaker 4: I started as Sue and I think found it during
Speaker 4: the pandemic maybe or how young.
Speaker 2: Has it been? So twenty seasons?
Speaker 4: Like I think so, but you know they do two
Speaker 4: or three a year. It's only been around for four
Speaker 4: or five years. I think, oh, okay, okay, as my guess,
Speaker 4: and this came out. I started watching at the beginning.
Speaker 4: So this came out around the same time as Love
Speaker 4: is Blind on Netflix.
Speaker 3: This was first.
Speaker 2: This was first. This was first because I have seen
Speaker 2: Love is Blind.
Speaker 1: For whatever reason, my son got really into it last
Speaker 1: year and right around the time that one guy quoted
Speaker 1: to Panga without giving I mean quoted Corey into Panga
Speaker 1: without giving them credit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, whatever, that that we were watching it around that.
Speaker 1: Andy got really into it, and I didn't really like
Speaker 1: that show that much. It seems like a better version.
Speaker 3: Way better than Love Is Blind. This is way way
Speaker 3: better to me than.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you and your wife started watching it.
Speaker 3: I was buying television in the US for twelve years.
Speaker 4: Married at First Sight has been on okay, So yeah,
Speaker 4: but I believe we didn't start right at the beginning.
Speaker 3: Maybe we did.
Speaker 4: We again, I haven't seen them all. We weren't one
Speaker 4: of those people where it's like, ooh, Married at First Sight.
Speaker 4: But we've definitely done probably five or six seasons of
Speaker 4: this show. Yeah, and there's some of them where I think, like, legit,
Speaker 4: the people are still together and have kids and every
Speaker 4: other thing.
Speaker 2: So it's fascinating, man, I'm so sure.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited to see it because it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: coming from the Bravo verse, from coming from in the City,
Speaker 1: which was you know, the sense like the judgment, right,
Speaker 1: Like the process of judging, which we talked about, is
Speaker 1: like part of the fun, right, You're getting into the gossip,
Speaker 1: you're kind of judging you're comparing yourself to the people
Speaker 1: on screen. It was all sort of, you know, intentionally superficial.
Speaker 1: Like the point is like it's not really that big
Speaker 1: of a deal. The drama, the stakes are.
Speaker 2: Low in this case.
Speaker 1: It's fascinating, Like, I am so curious how because you know,
Speaker 1: not only are the people themselves weighing in on like
Speaker 1: what they're looking for in a partner, what they think
Speaker 1: about love, and we're getting to see that play out
Speaker 1: whether what they're saying matches their actions and their behavior,
Speaker 1: we also have this like these experts weighing in and
Speaker 1: making the match making decisions, and like, I'm really curious
Speaker 1: about some of their choices, Like I don't know if
Speaker 1: I agree with them.
Speaker 4: Is it always these same two people or well, no,
Speaker 4: these so they might have been on for a few seasons,
Speaker 4: these were not the ones I knew.
Speaker 3: The ones that I knew. There was literally a woman
Speaker 3: her name.
Speaker 4: Was doctor Pepper, so that's not even a joke. Doctor
Speaker 4: Pepper was on for a long time. And then there
Speaker 4: was a pastor who was the other one, so there's
Speaker 4: like a spiritual side to it as well, and actually
Speaker 4: sat next to him on a plane once.
Speaker 3: No way, I didn't.
Speaker 4: I didn't want to times like I don't want to
Speaker 4: bother him on the plane, but I literally sat next
Speaker 4: to him on a flight once, the guy the guy
Speaker 4: from But no, there, it's it's super interesting. I'd love
Speaker 4: to know all the criteria. They go over it a
Speaker 4: little bit, but I'm sure they go very much in depth.
Speaker 3: But I have to imagine from everything I've heard about
Speaker 3: the dating culture nowadays, of everything everybody meeting online, they're
Speaker 3: all dating apps. People are lying. It's terrible. I bet
Speaker 3: you there's a ton of people that are like.
Speaker 4: I don't want I don't want to deal with it.
Speaker 4: I would love to have a tribunal if people go
Speaker 4: pick myself. Yeah, I mean I imagine that's that to
Speaker 4: me is no weirder than all the dating that got
Speaker 4: with the apps and everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I think the problem with the apps is that
Speaker 1: like it, they operate on this assumption that you can
Speaker 1: like explicate your likes and dislikes, and and that those
Speaker 1: that aligning with another person, like oh, we listened to
Speaker 1: the same music, we watch the same TV shows, we
Speaker 1: do the same active that that is like what makes
Speaker 1: a good relationship or makes love? And I think it
Speaker 1: can but I definitely do not think it's that's true.
Speaker 1: Like I actually I'm on the line now. I'm like
Speaker 1: the speed dating model, which again is opposite of this show.
Speaker 1: I think you know within thirty seconds whether you will
Speaker 1: ever ever be able to kiss a person have a
Speaker 1: relationship with them. And I think it's way more instinctual.
Speaker 2: Than we want to believe.
Speaker 1: Like you know, I would love to intellectualize and say,
Speaker 1: like I love my wife for X Y D and
Speaker 1: I do, right, But I don't think that's like the
Speaker 1: real reason, like the real reason for whatever reason my
Speaker 1: wife and I at some point we just connect it
Speaker 1: and we rationalize the parts.
Speaker 2: That don't work, do you know what I mean. I
Speaker 2: mean we all are so delusional.
Speaker 1: I think humans are so delusional, like fundamentally, and we
Speaker 1: want to convince ourselves we're in control when we're really not.
Speaker 1: Like I think we're just animals, and I think it's
Speaker 1: so instinctual, and I think we rationalize whatever decision we
Speaker 1: kind of like make.
Speaker 4: Well, we also lie to ourselves all the time so
Speaker 4: much so it's the problem is that you're on a
Speaker 4: dating side or whatever, you might think you're being honest
Speaker 4: with what you want or you might think you know
Speaker 4: yourself well enough, but at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: a bunch of other people looking at you going like, Okay,
Speaker 4: it's interesting you said that to me, but I don't
Speaker 4: believe that for a second is probably going to be
Speaker 4: more beneficial than you trying to self actualize what you're
Speaker 4: looking for in a partner.
Speaker 3: And so there is something too.
Speaker 4: I mean, I always it's a weird correlation, but my
Speaker 4: voiceover auditions. I if I am left to my own
Speaker 4: devices and I do a voiceover audition in my booth
Speaker 4: by myself, I do two takes and I'm.
Speaker 3: Like, I'm the man, and I walk out so good.
Speaker 3: I'm great at this.
Speaker 4: Whereas when I have a booth director and somebody knows
Speaker 4: what they're doing, they'll be like, what the hell was
Speaker 4: that take?
Speaker 3: And they're right.
Speaker 2: And so it is.
Speaker 4: It's one of those things where occasionally you need somebody
Speaker 4: just going you're not as awesome as you think. You're
Speaker 4: also maybe not as crappy as you think, and so
Speaker 4: you need somebody there kind of going, no, this is
Speaker 4: maybe we need to look at this, or maybe you did,
Speaker 4: or maybe it seems like what you said was was this,
Speaker 4: but it sounds like you really look looking for this,
Speaker 4: and we're going to try this because obviously you're now
Speaker 4: thirty five, you've never had a steady relationship, so what
Speaker 4: you're doing isn't working, So let me give it a
Speaker 4: shot and see what happens it. Part of me is like, brilliant, brilliant, man,
Speaker 4: I get out of my hands.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I would.
Speaker 1: I would totally love that advice too, I think. But
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's good.
Speaker 2: I just don't know if it works, Like, I don't
Speaker 2: know if it matters.
Speaker 1: But even after this one episode, we've only done seen
Speaker 1: three couples, and I think it's a complete roll of
Speaker 1: the dice.
Speaker 4: Honestly, there's well there's some of them where I think
Speaker 4: I don't think it's a roll of the dice at all.
Speaker 3: I think it's doomed. I think it's doomed from the start.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm so curious.
Speaker 1: Yeah all right, well, okay, so the show begins with
Speaker 1: a preview of the entire season.
Speaker 2: I skipped this. I did not want to watch this, Okay.
Speaker 1: I don't want spoilers, man, I also don't want to
Speaker 1: be teased with like mister X.
Speaker 3: I hate trailers.
Speaker 2: I hate.
Speaker 1: I used to love trailers when I was a kid. Now,
Speaker 1: if I hear about a movie that is good, I
Speaker 1: don't watch the trailer. I do not want to know
Speaker 1: the trailer. It's like, oh, if I'm a and I
Speaker 1: know that, that means I might not like. But I
Speaker 1: I basically get my movie taste from people's recommendations, you know,
Speaker 1: like I do not want to see because if I
Speaker 1: see a trailer, I remember every minute, and then when
Speaker 1: I'm watching the movie, I'm like, oh, I don't got
Speaker 1: to the park where this happens, So I didn't want to.
Speaker 4: Even worse, when they show something in the trailer that's
Speaker 4: not in the movie and then wait a minute, man.
Speaker 2: Thing that's by death.
Speaker 1: They used to do that all the time the nineties,
Speaker 1: do you remember, because they would just be like, well,
Speaker 1: that would joke work, but we're not going I'd be
Speaker 1: so pissed off.
Speaker 2: Yep, Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's an extra footage that they just decided to
Speaker 4: put in. It's like, come on, yeah.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 1: So our show opens. We meet Marissa. She loves love,
Speaker 1: been to six weddings.
Speaker 3: And she says eight later, so she's already.
Speaker 2: Don't trust her, I don't trust.
Speaker 1: We meet Felippe, who says he's been a goo most
Speaker 1: of his life.
Speaker 2: I've never heard this phrase. Have you heard this? Sure?
Speaker 2: I'll go sure.
Speaker 4: Maybe it's just us us who have heard of it.
Speaker 2: This guy's funny, man.
Speaker 1: He talks about how he's attractive now because he's worked
Speaker 1: out and he's getting hit on NonStop because women are
Speaker 1: just a superficiless man.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, it's also just.
Speaker 3: It's thought about your looks.
Speaker 2: He's This guy's funny, he's got a great personality.
Speaker 3: But do you also notice that he cannot stay still?
Speaker 4: No, I mean he's like moving the whole time and
Speaker 4: shaking around. I mean, I don't know if he's ADHD
Speaker 4: or whatever, but this guy cannot sit still.
Speaker 2: He's he's a he's a mover and a shaker.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and he's definitely like found his call in
Speaker 1: with a restaurant.
Speaker 2: I think it's so like he.
Speaker 3: Seems to be right and right.
Speaker 1: And then we meet Adam, who we will find out
Speaker 1: later as a tech guy. There's Mecca who cleans porta
Speaker 1: potties right out of the gate. I'm like, what's going
Speaker 1: on there, Devin. We only meet for a second. He's
Speaker 1: a professional rugby player. I guess we'll get back to him.
Speaker 4: Rugby is a sport, by the way, Yeah that's just
Speaker 4: that's Is there rugby in America?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Sure, it's a not hugely involved in it, but watching it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean he's technically probably cricket in America, but we
Speaker 4: don't remember.
Speaker 1: We find out Felipe runs an Italian restaurant that he
Speaker 1: brings dates to his own restaurant, and they have this
Speaker 1: conversation where Felipe talks about forgetting.
Speaker 2: That he cheated. It's just the weirdest thing. I was like,
Speaker 2: so you just drank too much and then.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like I didn't even know about it till years later.
Speaker 4: How do you not know you cheated on somebody?
Speaker 1: I guess maybe he's like he just lied to himself
Speaker 1: and like believed his own lie after a while.
Speaker 3: Maybe, Okay, weird?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: We meet Bella Jolie who wants to be a leading
Speaker 1: lady Courtney who used to be a bodybuilder.
Speaker 2: I guess we'll find out more about her in another episode, and.
Speaker 1: We get Adam's backstory about being a tech bro lives
Speaker 1: in a cabin jet Skis this guy's a lot of money.
Speaker 2: Apparently.
Speaker 3: No, he doesn't jet ski. He rips the jet skis.
Speaker 3: We just ripped. We just ripped jet skis man.
Speaker 1: So he said sourking about how he used to want
Speaker 1: to he was always serious and got tired of girls
Speaker 1: who parted, and that he's really into discipline.
Speaker 2: This comes up a lot.
Speaker 1: And then he sits down to play piano. First's gonna
Speaker 1: warm his fingers up. We at the fire, and then
Speaker 1: he breaks into the Moonlight Sonata, and then we get
Speaker 1: this guy Nick, who was like, you're really good at
Speaker 1: thet but that's a long song, and he's like, I'll
Speaker 1: just play one more.
Speaker 3: Just I don't think Adam.
Speaker 4: I don't think Adam needs a spouse because he's so
Speaker 4: in love with himself. With him, Oh, this guy is
Speaker 4: one giant, literal six foot five giant walking red flag.
Speaker 4: I mean, there was so easy to see some of
Speaker 4: the comments this dude makes. You're just like, are you
Speaker 4: kidding me? With some of the ship you're saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no.
Speaker 1: It's it's so funny because the way the episode starts,
Speaker 1: when they start presenting him, you're like, why hasn't this
Speaker 1: guy been able to find somebody he's a catch, and
Speaker 1: then you're like, dang, yeah, this is why.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's yeah.
Speaker 2: Pretty it's not the.
Speaker 3: Biggest one for me. Yeah, it's where I was like, dude,
Speaker 3: you've got it.
Speaker 2: I know it's a little it's a bummer. Yeah, because
Speaker 2: it was. It was a downfall. I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: it was interesting, like he's really figured out a lot
Speaker 2: of his life.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, no, you don't want to
Speaker 1: be around anybody else, Like you don't want anybody else's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, especially if you're not going to rip jet skis man.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: We get the ladies doing.
Speaker 3: Shots, shots, shots, shot shots.
Speaker 2: But I love that. Who is it is it? Marissa?
Speaker 3: That's like everyone hates them, everyone hates them. If you
Speaker 3: can do It's like, I haven't done a shot shots anymore.
Speaker 2: I was disgusted.
Speaker 1: I used to fake doing shots. I was just like yeah,
Speaker 1: and then you throw it over your shoulder.
Speaker 3: But I do shots when I was twenty two. No,
Speaker 3: I mean again, it.
Speaker 2: Was like, dude, it's the dumbest thing in the world.
Speaker 3: You're still doing shots in your thirties. You need to
Speaker 3: look at yourself.
Speaker 2: A little bit.
Speaker 1: It's just my big agree man, it's not a not
Speaker 1: a great, great lifestyle choice.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: All right, then we get our first matchmaking session with
Speaker 1: Paul and doctor Lisa. I would like to know a
Speaker 1: little bit more about these people in the show is
Speaker 1: giving me. I mean, they just agreed, but I guess
Speaker 1: maybe they've been hosting for a while, so.
Speaker 2: But I kind of I don't know, Like I wanted
Speaker 2: to know a little bit more about, like where they
Speaker 2: come from.
Speaker 3: What they said the same thing because he said I
Speaker 3: was a matchmaker on the UK version, Okay, and it's like,
Speaker 3: all right, but are you a professional matchmaker?
Speaker 2: Do you have any Do you just talk together like
Speaker 2: a couple's coach too? I was like, is that a
Speaker 2: like how is that different than a couple's therapist? Do
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like a coach? Yeah, she's
Speaker 2: a doctor, a doctor of what, Like I don't know
Speaker 2: your first name.
Speaker 3: Could have done research, seriously.
Speaker 1: I'll change my name legal the dr period exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure we could have done research and
Speaker 1: been professional podcasters, but.
Speaker 3: That's no fun. We like to jump in naked.
Speaker 2: That's what's so Maddy to do.
Speaker 3: She can tell us about it later, I'll say, so,
Speaker 3: Paul Carrick Brunson from Merredith Firstite is certified.
Speaker 4: He's a certified life coach. Okay, and trained under prominent
Speaker 4: matchmaking experts.
Speaker 2: Certified life coaches certified.
Speaker 1: Is there a life coach organization out there? I need
Speaker 1: to make my own life.
Speaker 2: Coach organization and give out certificates.
Speaker 3: You don't need to write her. You're now certified. Congratulations.
Speaker 3: I just certified you a life coach.
Speaker 4: You're good to go if I just started the LLC
Speaker 4: Will's Life Coach Certification dot Com.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, all right, Uh so he's a life coach
Speaker 2: and what else?
Speaker 3: What is she do? We know what she does. Doctor
Speaker 3: Lisa Paz is a relationship expert, board certified sex therapist,
Speaker 3: and licensed marriage and family therapists based in Miami.
Speaker 2: So she has some creds. Okay, so she's a sex
Speaker 2: therapist and okay, that's a yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm really curious about this whole process. I'm curious,
Speaker 1: like I don't know, I'm dubious about I mean, I
Speaker 1: know I all have to see. I mean I know
Speaker 1: I have to see because.
Speaker 4: Therapist is Hopefully they don't start with the same question
Speaker 4: that Freud always did, which is tell me about your mother,
Speaker 4: because I think that would be an entirely.
Speaker 3: Different thing I'm talking about. But yeah, no, we again.
Speaker 3: All I can tell you from the previous episode of
Speaker 3: previous seasons that I've watched is some of these couples
Speaker 3: have been are still together and have kids and have
Speaker 3: been together for years.
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, some of these couples have worked out. But
Speaker 1: is it better than chance? That's my question.
Speaker 3: It's a great question because I don't know. If you
Speaker 3: pick fifteen.
Speaker 4: Couples for a show or whatever and two of them
Speaker 4: stay together, isn't.
Speaker 3: That just odds? Isn't that actually when you suck you do.
Speaker 4: You know what?
Speaker 1: I wonder, like, I wonder if somebody's done the and
Speaker 1: we don't have to do it now because I don't
Speaker 1: want to ruin the show, but I do think at
Speaker 1: some point we should see if somebody has written an
Speaker 1: article or done the stats and like said, how much
Speaker 1: this show has actually resulted.
Speaker 3: I believe Susan and I looked it up once. I
Speaker 3: don't remember what it was, but we had that same
Speaker 3: question because there was things where it's like, all right,
Speaker 3: you had ten couples on one of them is still together?
Speaker 3: Do you need experts for that or can you just
Speaker 3: throw darts?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: You know, I don't remember, but you don't remember. I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't, I honestly don't. I don't remember what else.
Speaker 4: If memory serves, they had it was, it was they
Speaker 4: had a much bigger ratio of not working out than
Speaker 4: they did working out.
Speaker 3: But I don't remember.
Speaker 2: My instinct is it's chance. Like that's my sense of
Speaker 2: the world is that you could just you.
Speaker 1: Know, pick somebody in the same sort of category, you know,
Speaker 1: assuming that's like that you're of the same age, in
Speaker 1: the same sort of in the same like worldview.
Speaker 2: Ish, did you see that? Just what?
Speaker 3: They have an eighteen percent success rate?
Speaker 1: Okay, so what is how does that compare to like
Speaker 1: other dating apps or.
Speaker 3: Just the world?
Speaker 2: What the world?
Speaker 3: I mean, eighteen percent doesn't seem good like at all? No,
Speaker 3: I mean, got my god, if you're if you gonna
Speaker 3: come out of the doctor with an eighteen percent chance
Speaker 3: to live, you're right in your will that day. So
Speaker 3: the fact that it's like, I mean again, you're right,
Speaker 3: are these what does it take to be an expert?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: You know, he certified a life coach and trained under
Speaker 3: prominent matchmaking experts. What does that mean?
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I kind of like for the first all right,
Speaker 1: here we got more stats. Seventy nine couples have been matches,
Speaker 1: thirteen couples are still together.
Speaker 4: That seems kind of like a terrible ratio. But that's
Speaker 4: a great question.
Speaker 3: What I mean, what's the control?
Speaker 2: You have to have a control? Yeah?
Speaker 3: And how many how many you know dates do people
Speaker 3: normally go on before they find a part?
Speaker 2: But it's interesting because when they were doing their matchmaking
Speaker 2: sessions and discussing these couples, I agreed with their insights.
Speaker 1: I thought that they were picking up on kind of
Speaker 1: the right things about these people. So it's going to
Speaker 1: be interesting because that's I think that's the fun of
Speaker 1: the show, right, see now that plays.
Speaker 2: Out or not?
Speaker 3: All right, I have a bit of a problem.
Speaker 4: And it's not a problem, but it's a weird way
Speaker 4: to look at it where and I get why because
Speaker 4: it's TV. But nobody's unattractive, I know, you know, it's
Speaker 4: like it seems like you should just go pick a
Speaker 4: bunch of people I mean that are average people and
Speaker 4: just go marry you know, try to marry them off.
Speaker 3: Connect to actual people, and I think.
Speaker 2: That would just be an immediate like people just wouldn't
Speaker 2: do the show.
Speaker 3: Right, But aren't these aren't people that look like this?
Speaker 4: Aren't the vast majority of people that look like this
Speaker 4: the people that get matched on these these apps anyway,
Speaker 4: because they're good looking, they're successful. I mean, isn't the
Speaker 4: point like the people that the apps are like they
Speaker 4: never match me with anybody. I can never find anybody.
Speaker 4: Nobody swipes left or right, whatever the hell the way
Speaker 4: is on me.
Speaker 2: It does seem to be that a conceit of the show.
Speaker 1: Are a tenant of the show is that these aren't
Speaker 1: people who are having a hard time finding dates.
Speaker 2: These are people who are having a hard time finding
Speaker 2: a life partner, right right, right? Yea almost said some
Speaker 2: version of that.
Speaker 1: They all said some version of like basically, I could
Speaker 1: get late if I want to.
Speaker 2: I'm not looking for that. I'm looking for a marriage.
Speaker 2: I'm looking for you know, And that I think that
Speaker 2: is the class of people for the show, you know.
Speaker 1: In other words, it's not a show that's just finding
Speaker 1: love or finding it's finding a life partner, it's marriage.
Speaker 2: Right, It's about like I'm gonna we're gonna find you
Speaker 2: the person who's going to be your monogamous, lifelong partner.
Speaker 3: Who's a difference.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that I think it's yeah.
Speaker 3: Because that's what I mean, like part of me. I'd
Speaker 3: love to see the people that don't get swiped on.
Speaker 3: I can't get dates.
Speaker 4: Nobody wants to I don't have this. I have an
Speaker 4: average job. I'm an average guy, and nobody wants to
Speaker 4: date me. I want to see that.
Speaker 2: Show married a first sight. I'll go edition.
Speaker 5: Sponsored by to get married wearing uds because all there again,
Speaker 5: they're all beautiful people, and I get it, it's you
Speaker 5: have to do it, I understand, But I.
Speaker 2: Mean also because I had the same question about Love
Speaker 2: is Blind.
Speaker 1: I was like, wait a minute, no, And it was
Speaker 1: like but because no one would do the show otherwise,
Speaker 1: like if you literally were doing Love is Blind, and
Speaker 1: and that is even more like the point of the
Speaker 1: show should be that there are some ugly ducklings thrown
Speaker 1: in because it's about their personality, or people that are overweight,
Speaker 1: but there never are.
Speaker 2: They never are. They're always beautiful, and.
Speaker 3: It's like, but that's.
Speaker 4: With them without looking at them, and then you actually
Speaker 4: fall in love with them. It doesn't matter who runs out.
Speaker 2: But that show makes no sense to me. I don't know.
Speaker 2: That's a whole other conversation.
Speaker 3: Yeah we have. We'll talk about that later, all right.
Speaker 1: But this one, we're gonna trust the experts at least
Speaker 1: a little while and see how it plays out.
Speaker 2: They've chosen Adam and Marissa for each other. We learned,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: They say that Adam wants someone fit, he's disciplined, he's rich.
Speaker 1: Paul asks Adam that goes out to Adam's cabin and
Speaker 1: asks him the obvious, like why are you here? And
Speaker 1: Adam says, basically what we were saying is that it's
Speaker 1: not hard to meet people, it's just hard to find
Speaker 1: the right person. And Paul says the sentence, you're very controlled,
Speaker 1: which I didn't know how he meant it, like whether
Speaker 1: that means a compliment or what. But that is to
Speaker 1: me the biggest red flag.
Speaker 4: I agree, and to me, controlling, that's what I was
Speaker 4: going to say. To me, it's saying he's controlled is
Speaker 4: one thing.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 4: It's controlling is the thing that's if he said one
Speaker 4: more time, either the word train or where he's like, oh,
Speaker 4: I've taught a number of people how to be great athletes.
Speaker 3: What what does that even mean?
Speaker 2: Dude?
Speaker 3: Like, it's there's so many red flags.
Speaker 1: This is the guy who like gets obsessed with like
Speaker 1: teaching his German shepherd, like all the commands in German.
Speaker 2: So he can do all that, and it's just like okay, bro,
Speaker 2: like you you've.
Speaker 3: Got power, Yeah, you got it.
Speaker 1: You are.
Speaker 4: This is the guy to me that checks your phone
Speaker 4: and tells you to give me your phone and I
Speaker 4: want to see who you're dead.
Speaker 3: Like this, there are so many red He's.
Speaker 2: Going to be counting the calories of what she is.
Speaker 3: Yes, like that, she says, the one hundred.
Speaker 1: He says that by the end of the episode. I
Speaker 1: watching him reveal himself throughout the course of this episode
Speaker 1: was fascinating.
Speaker 3: I agree with you.
Speaker 2: Fascinating because you're like, yeah, you are.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: It's so it's and it's an interesting study, like in
Speaker 1: how you know you're like, oh, man, like you said,
Speaker 1: the red flags just keep popping up.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, so Paul does.
Speaker 1: This thing where he makes him call this girl that
Speaker 1: he's been saying he's been on like five days with her,
Speaker 1: and he's like, oh, I could just send her a
Speaker 1: text but he makes him make the call. And I
Speaker 1: thought this was interesting because she was upset. You know,
Speaker 1: she's like, my question.
Speaker 3: Sorry, I have a theory about this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because this is the only person we saw where
Speaker 4: this they specifically went another way to.
Speaker 3: Say, you need to call, you need to do this,
Speaker 3: you need to do that.
Speaker 4: And I don't want to give the theory away right now,
Speaker 4: but I'll give it away at the end of it,
Speaker 4: because it comes back at the end and Okay, now
Speaker 4: I'm gonna let you know what I think.
Speaker 3: Okay, Because I thought the point of this was just that.
Speaker 1: What he thought of as a casual situation with this woman,
Speaker 1: this woman clearly thought a little bit more of it,
Speaker 1: and that Paul sort of wanted to prove that to
Speaker 1: him by being like, you have to have this comment.
Speaker 2: You have to break up with this girl.
Speaker 1: And the fact that he was surprised by you know,
Speaker 1: that she wouldn't have been cool with just a text
Speaker 1: that she was upset.
Speaker 2: Indicates I think that he's a little delusion.
Speaker 1: We all are, you know, Like at this point, I
Speaker 1: was just like, yeah, dude, that's like I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people have found themselves in a situation where
Speaker 1: they think it's casually, the other person thinks it a
Speaker 1: little more seriously. And I think that's especially if men
Speaker 1: and women, and you know, on the male side, they're like,
Speaker 1: we're staying out, you sleep together every once in a while,
Speaker 1: and the woman's like hoping that maybe it'll be a thing.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: This was like a classic situation where I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: you're delusional about what was going on there. So I
Speaker 1: thought that was a kind of an interesting moment. So
Speaker 1: then Paul describes Adam as a knight in shining armor
Speaker 1: and he has.
Speaker 2: To take the armor off and that he is, uh and.
Speaker 3: It'll be easier to rip a jet ski about the armor.
Speaker 3: That's the cool part.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Then Paul, in his meeting with Lisa says they
Speaker 2: talk about how he has.
Speaker 1: This giant cat. He wants a woman who can handle cats.
Speaker 1: Marissa loves dogs but allergic to cats. Would find out
Speaker 1: learn that her parents had a messy divorce. She no
Speaker 1: longer talks to her dad and Lisa. Paul call Adam
Speaker 1: the tin man without a heart.
Speaker 2: So now we have this metal.
Speaker 1: He's a knight in shining armor. He's a tin man
Speaker 1: without a heart. He's got the heart exterior.
Speaker 4: I don't know, man, a lot of ways of saying
Speaker 4: this guy might be an issue.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like you're you're like RoboCop, Like what with
Speaker 3: the metal outside? You know you?
Speaker 4: It's like what And Marissa, by the way, we figured
Speaker 4: it out soon and I were watching and we're like, God,
Speaker 4: who does she remind us of?
Speaker 3: Who does she remind us of? Totally reminds us of
Speaker 3: a more grown up Millie Bobby Brown? Oh yeah, and
Speaker 3: so yeah, we were like, that's who she reminds us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So I guess the idea is that she's
Speaker 1: gonna open at him up. She's gonna make him more emotional,
Speaker 1: more vulnerable, and reveal his his his heart or his.
Speaker 4: It's exactly what you want in a relationship as a
Speaker 4: partner that's going to come in to try to change you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting that the matchmakers are sort of relying
Speaker 2: on that, but maybe I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know either.
Speaker 1: But then Adam talks about how his parents are hiking
Speaker 1: in Iceland. They're not they're not gonna come, his sister
Speaker 1: thinks he's crazy, his grandmother is refusing to fly.
Speaker 4: I don't think anybody wanted to be involved anyone from
Speaker 4: his family wanted to be involved in it. I think
Speaker 4: I think not only does he done well. This is
Speaker 4: my totally just complete speculation. I think not only has
Speaker 4: he done well in business, but I think he grew
Speaker 4: up with money, and I think probably his parents are like, dude,
Speaker 4: we're not gonna we're not gonna.
Speaker 1: Be considering that they're on like a three country Yeah,
Speaker 1: He's like, that's always the way they are, you know,
Speaker 1: like that kind of thing.
Speaker 4: So my guess is he grew up with money and
Speaker 4: they're like, dude, we're not going on to watch you
Speaker 4: get married on.
Speaker 2: A reality show.
Speaker 3: Like it's not going to happen, right, So because for
Speaker 3: nobody to show up, I mean, come on. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But it's interesting because then we cut to her and
Speaker 1: she's got not a dissimilar situation.
Speaker 2: You know, she no longer talks to her dad.
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, we get kiss kissed me by
Speaker 1: sixpence on the suir while she walks on the steps,
Speaker 1: a little on the nose, say a little a little
Speaker 1: bit of a I would say, come on, guys, we
Speaker 1: can do it better. We can do better than I
Speaker 1: actually recreating she's all that never got that band really
Speaker 1: this is a sweet song.
Speaker 3: Never got it.
Speaker 1: I saw them live went back in the day and
Speaker 1: they used to do the song they do a cover
Speaker 1: of there she goes yea was yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: Their next big show.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, okay, okay, okay, all right.
Speaker 1: She gets Marissak, walks down the stairs and then she
Speaker 1: gets a package from Adam which is a pickleball, ski
Speaker 1: goggles and a kill switch.
Speaker 3: Worst gift package. For first, I was like, is this
Speaker 3: a dog leash?
Speaker 2: That's what I thought it was at first.
Speaker 3: Put this sleech, which also kind of.
Speaker 1: Works, But I was like, did he just give her
Speaker 1: a dog leash? And I thought at first maybe because
Speaker 1: it was like, oh he wanted the dogs. They talked
Speaker 1: both dog about wanting animals and do you want somebody?
Speaker 1: But that was like, yeah, maybe that's really about And
Speaker 1: then it's a kill switch, which also just sounds weird,
Speaker 1: but it just jet.
Speaker 2: Ski kill switch because that's the jet Ski.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 2: This is this is.
Speaker 1: Classic, Like that you think that these activities are going
Speaker 1: to excite somebody.
Speaker 3: No, I mean, I'm sorry, there's nothing even close to sentimentality.
Speaker 4: No, like something something, a flow, anything that's reeks of
Speaker 4: some sentimentalism.
Speaker 2: I care about what you think. Yes, like literally say
Speaker 2: these are my activities. I'm gonna teach you how to
Speaker 2: do them. You better like them, you.
Speaker 3: Get them what I'm into.
Speaker 2: Who cares what you're all about doing? Ask her about herself?
Speaker 2: And I get it.
Speaker 1: Maybe the point of this exercise. But it's interesting that
Speaker 1: the other other couples didn't do this. So is this
Speaker 1: something they've done before?
Speaker 2: Do you know?
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's all they always do, like the early gift.
Speaker 4: But I mean it's also supposed to be like a
Speaker 4: little bit for us, a little bit for you, like
Speaker 4: the diet.
Speaker 2: He gives him a drama.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's like we're gonna start our We're gonna start
Speaker 4: our story together.
Speaker 3: And I wrote the first page.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, He's like, these are goggles, Adam. I'm gonna teat
Speaker 3: you pickle ball.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna teach you in the back of my jet ski.
Speaker 2: You don't get to drive, get in the back.
Speaker 3: I'm going to train you to be an athlete. Like
Speaker 3: what the hell?
Speaker 2: Dude over at his camp. He opens it up and
Speaker 2: she's given him a bottle.
Speaker 3: He doesn't drink. He's like, that's a red flag.
Speaker 4: Is she supposed to know you don't drink, dude, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I know, how's that a red flash?
Speaker 2: Just be like yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 1: And also, like you, it's not like you you just
Speaker 1: stopped drinking a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: You said, like you're it's fine like other people can.
Speaker 4: You also did it because you didn't like what it
Speaker 4: was doing in your body. It wasn't like, oh I
Speaker 4: was an alcoholic or I was dealing with an issue.
Speaker 2: It wasn't that.
Speaker 3: He was like inflammation. And it's like, I know.
Speaker 1: Well, she gives him this journal and her first entry
Speaker 1: and references microwavable mac and cheese and afternoon naps, which awesome,
Speaker 1: cancer causing chemicals to the microwavy plastics.
Speaker 3: But we can educate her.
Speaker 2: On that he was so dude, Adam bro.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, exactly where I was, like mac and cheese
Speaker 4: and naps.
Speaker 1: I've already I have trained multiple people to be athletes.
Speaker 2: Oh it's gonna suck.
Speaker 3: Dude, for poor Marissa. That's all I have to say
Speaker 3: is for Marissa.
Speaker 2: All Right, We cut to to Tori and Felipe. Yes,
Speaker 2: we've learned before. He runs a restaurant.
Speaker 1: He goes out a lot, seems like kind of a partier,
Speaker 1: but he does shower a bunch. Apparently in Brazil they
Speaker 1: shower a lot.
Speaker 3: Four times a day. I guess it makes lady, but
Speaker 3: it makes sense great.
Speaker 4: And it's so funny because Sue all of a sudden
Speaker 4: was an expert on that. I don't know how, but
Speaker 4: he's like, shower four times a day And she's like, oh,
Speaker 4: it's because of the humidity in Brazil.
Speaker 3: And he's like, it's because of the humidity.
Speaker 4: I'm like, what did that come of knowledge?
Speaker 2: It's Google showers in Brazil.
Speaker 3: It was so weird.
Speaker 4: It's like, okay, yeah, that information at your fingertips, which
Speaker 4: is odd, but all right.
Speaker 1: And Torri she they asked her what she would want
Speaker 1: to say to somebody or potential burner. She says that
Speaker 1: I'm not crazy. I'm not crazy, which is the first indication.
Speaker 1: I was like, these people might be good for each other,
Speaker 1: I know, because he seems like a little wild, you know,
Speaker 1: and I was like, who this is going to be
Speaker 1: the person for this. We find out that she likes boxing.
Speaker 1: Then he says that he likes girly girls.
Speaker 2: We cut to her saying she likes traditional men.
Speaker 1: All right, she likes good food, hosting, having things be
Speaker 1: a little chaotic. She has this thing where she says
Speaker 1: a family tradition is the cops getting called. So I
Speaker 1: was like, wow, wk, Yeah, these two are actually on
Speaker 1: paper saying the right things. She talks about how she
Speaker 1: grew up poor and that it's like mandatory that that
Speaker 1: the family, that the family is important. He says, she
Speaker 1: has to get along with his mom. So these people
Speaker 1: are lining up pretty well, and you know, compared to
Speaker 1: Adam and Marissa, like the whole family being important, which
Speaker 1: to me seems like a kind of a generic thing.
Speaker 1: But obviously with Adam and Marissa, it's not like, you know,
Speaker 1: and that's so interesting.
Speaker 2: You know. I go back and I go back and forth.
Speaker 1: About this because I mean, I obviously, like I have
Speaker 1: a great relationship with my family. My family's actually very small,
Speaker 1: though I don't have a big same family, same and
Speaker 1: I've always wanted a big family. I've ended up only
Speaker 1: having one kid. But I like the idea of big family,
Speaker 1: you know, like my wife's family is bigger. I love it,
Speaker 1: like I But that said, I've never had one, so
Speaker 1: I don't know how, you know, I'm sure maybe it
Speaker 1: would try me crazy if I had like a million
Speaker 1: cousins and tons of siblings and you know, because family
Speaker 1: can be.
Speaker 3: Tough, can't people Just my cousins were just here from Germany.
Speaker 4: It's so great to have I mean again very close
Speaker 4: to my family, so seeing that is great. But we
Speaker 4: also don't have twenty five cousins and you know, thirteen
Speaker 4: aunts and uncles.
Speaker 3: I mean we were just never like that. So but yeah,
Speaker 3: the family is important.
Speaker 4: I mean it's a littld Chris rockbit where he talks
Speaker 4: about where he's like, you can't you know, if you
Speaker 4: need to have the same interests you need to lead
Speaker 4: if you go to church, they need to go to church.
Speaker 4: It can't be like one can't be a church goer
Speaker 4: or the other can't be a crackhead.
Speaker 3: He's like, it doesn't work. If it doesn't work, and
Speaker 3: they're right.
Speaker 4: I mean at these two when I started, when I
Speaker 4: really started, and then we'll get to it.
Speaker 3: When they actually got married, I was.
Speaker 4: Like, Okay, this could be the kind of couple of
Speaker 4: the show so far where it's like maybe they got
Speaker 4: this one right.
Speaker 3: It seemed like they really met, you know, meshed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were working on paper.
Speaker 1: It was just for me a question of like how
Speaker 1: they were going to respond to each other in person.
Speaker 3: Right, we'll get there, yep. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Paul meets with Felipe and points out that he
Speaker 1: was late to both of their meetings and that he
Speaker 1: missed a zoom he parties. And what I like about
Speaker 1: this is that it sounded almost like, you know, Paul
Speaker 1: was chastising him or pointing out something that might need
Speaker 1: to change about him, But actually I think he was
Speaker 1: sort of highlighting Felipe's personality and style like lifestyle, which
Speaker 1: I think actually does match in this case with Tory
Speaker 1: because she says, like a family tradition is the cops
Speaker 1: get called, right, so like it actually like it was
Speaker 1: it was an interesting thing to be like.
Speaker 2: And he didn't really apologize.
Speaker 1: He didn't say like you know, He's just said like
Speaker 1: I show up when it's important, but this is my lifestyle,
Speaker 1: like I run a restaurant that you know. And I
Speaker 1: thought it was interesting, Like it wasn't like a job
Speaker 1: interview where you have to let just who you are.
Speaker 1: It was more like Felipe, you are, you seem to
Speaker 1: be this type of person and.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah he is.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that might.
Speaker 1: Actually work for Tory, which is super interesting. I'm rooting
Speaker 1: for him, and so Lisa doctor Lisa talking to Paul.
Speaker 1: They you know, she says he has a certain love
Speaker 1: of life, his family, friends, and she has this great
Speaker 1: line she says, Tory will be the lead guitarist and
Speaker 1: he will be the lead sign her, which I was like,
Speaker 1: I like that that'll work.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got a little page plant thing going on,
Speaker 3: that'll work.
Speaker 1: We see Tory getting ready talking about how she's a
Speaker 1: spray tanded little gremlin.
Speaker 2: Oh that was She's funny.
Speaker 1: And this is where she first expresses that she's nervous
Speaker 1: that he will run away.
Speaker 2: This comes back a.
Speaker 3: Lot, this several times.
Speaker 1: Super interested. I was like, yeah, she means it literally.
Speaker 1: She means it literally. She has like a fear of
Speaker 1: him literally looking at her and turning and running in
Speaker 1: the opposite, which is so fascinating, Like of all the
Speaker 1: things she says, like she repeats it.
Speaker 2: Like there's like a trauma. She had a nightmare. At
Speaker 2: some point, well.
Speaker 3: Started going like even family members sargo that She's like
Speaker 3: what if he runs away? And they're like that could happen.
Speaker 4: It was like wait, wait what your you're it's no,
Speaker 4: it's not gonna happen where she's going to turn and
Speaker 4: run on camera.
Speaker 3: That could happen, That could happen, Like no, oh.
Speaker 2: Oh god?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: With Felipe, his sister, dad and mom come to visit him.
Speaker 1: They're very emotional, the exact opposite of Adam.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this guy needs.
Speaker 1: To be with his family. He needs her to fit
Speaker 1: in with his family. We see the same thing with
Speaker 1: her family again. She asks if he's gonna run, and
Speaker 1: we cut to bel Jo Lee, who's a Sara songwriter.
Speaker 2: Amazing voice, Oh my god, cut to her singing.
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, she's not.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, she's got great talent. Definitely an artist. She
Speaker 2: teaches dance, she does she's a makeup artist. She has
Speaker 2: all these different jobs. And then they cut to Mecca
Speaker 2: saying that he would love to have someone who sarenates him.
Speaker 2: So we're like getting onto the same page.
Speaker 1: And she talks about how she needs somebody with ambition,
Speaker 1: and then we cut back in are reminded that Mecca
Speaker 1: cleans toilets.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but we learned later he cleans toilets for his
Speaker 4: family's business.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 4: So it's you know that's first of all, as a
Speaker 4: sanitation worker, you make very good money. But now if
Speaker 4: it's also you're doing that for your family business, it
Speaker 4: also means you could own the business some day.
Speaker 1: See this is This is I think is super interesting
Speaker 1: because I I think that's exactly what she's not looking for.
Speaker 3: You think like a blue collar worker, yeah, or just
Speaker 3: a steady like she does not.
Speaker 2: She actually wants an artistic sort of right right right right,
Speaker 2: And this is one of those things.
Speaker 1: Like because Alex and I talked about this a lot,
Speaker 1: because we're both artists, we're both like job to job freelancers,
Speaker 1: we both are multi hyphenits, and there are a lot
Speaker 1: of people around us who wouldn't want one of when
Speaker 1: one wouldn't want to be in a relationship like that,
Speaker 1: Like sure, they think of that, and they think of
Speaker 1: that as chaos. And I see a lot of people
Speaker 1: who are like one person's an artist, the other one's
Speaker 1: a more stable job like lawyer and an actor or
Speaker 1: and I totally get that, Like I could see that,
Speaker 1: and I could see myself in this situation. I actually
Speaker 1: could probably be with somebody who wanted to be more stable. Sure,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if Alex is the same way. I
Speaker 1: think she probably would only want an artist or somebody
Speaker 1: who is. I don't she's only pretty much dated.
Speaker 2: Uh, people like me, you know the people who are.
Speaker 4: But maybe she's only dated people like you because as actors,
Speaker 4: it's kind of what we're you're her two year round
Speaker 4: and what you're used to.
Speaker 1: Where No, she broke her I will say that her
Speaker 1: first boyfriend, which was a long term relationship she moved
Speaker 1: in with him, like during college and stuff, was more
Speaker 1: of a steady sort of like he was like military
Speaker 1: than like super like regular. I forget what he does,
Speaker 1: but it's something you know, lawyer e. They something very
Speaker 1: like good job, stable, and she left him partly because
Speaker 1: of that, you know, because she was like at twenty
Speaker 1: three or whatever, staring down the barrel of.
Speaker 2: Like, oh no, I couldn't. I don't want this in
Speaker 2: my life. So but I think I could be.
Speaker 1: I think I could be with somebody who is like
Speaker 1: a lawyer or maybe even doesn't have a job, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like I'm not, but I'm And
Speaker 1: so I look at Belle jo Lee and I was like,
Speaker 1: she's gonna hate this about this?
Speaker 3: Oh you think?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: Wait, which is interesting because I think personality wise, he
Speaker 1: is her type he's flashy, he's interesting, he's funny, he's
Speaker 1: got tons of personality, so he's like, he's like artistic
Speaker 1: in his personality.
Speaker 3: He was getting a little much towards.
Speaker 1: The end, I know, but but I can see why
Speaker 1: they were like sholl over the fact that he cleans
Speaker 1: toilets because he's a steady paycheck. But I disagree. I
Speaker 1: don't think she cares about that. I think she's gonna
Speaker 1: want somebody. Okay, that's my hot take on I immediately
Speaker 1: I was reminded that he cleaned toilets. I was like, shit,
Speaker 1: he's good for her in every other way, but I
Speaker 1: think she's not.
Speaker 4: Gonna Like artistic people tend to gravitate towards other artistic people.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I think it can go because I would,
Speaker 1: you know, like a regular paycheck would be nice for
Speaker 1: a lot of our course. To know that somebody is
Speaker 1: stable and that that's gonna be there for you is
Speaker 1: like the other side of its magic.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyway, he does say at this point, he references that
Speaker 1: he's a model, which they don't get into too much.
Speaker 2: So maybe he is kind of artistic. I don't know.
Speaker 3: He talked about how he's a good looking.
Speaker 1: Guy and he wants a female version of him, which
Speaker 1: I was like a little weird, but then got to
Speaker 1: her and she says she wants matching outfits, so I
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, these guys are kind of aligning.
Speaker 4: Can I also tell you a new trend that seems
Speaker 4: to be happening in the last year or so?
Speaker 3: I can't stand is the things on the teeth.
Speaker 2: I know for a while, has it been longer than that.
Speaker 2: I just it's like the distracting.
Speaker 3: It's distracted.
Speaker 4: It's all I'm staring at is these like fake diamonds
Speaker 4: on teeth, and I've seen them in a bunch of
Speaker 4: reality shows.
Speaker 3: Now it's all all the island.
Speaker 4: People are doing where they're putting these things, and it's
Speaker 4: just like, dude, knock it off.
Speaker 2: I can't handle face tattoos either.
Speaker 4: I don't like face tattoos either. No, it's but I'm
Speaker 4: also you and I disagree. I also don't like nose rings.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can handle piercings. I don't like. I don't
Speaker 1: like nose rings.
Speaker 2: I like you. I like all face piercings are fine
Speaker 2: for me. Oh yeah, to me draw your attention. That's
Speaker 2: that's problem with the face tattoos.
Speaker 1: Your nose the while I don't I don't do.
Speaker 3: It, but yeah I do. It's like, why why are
Speaker 3: you doing that?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: Well, uh we find out that, uh, Mecca grew up
Speaker 1: in a broken home. His step mom then left his
Speaker 1: dad and took his brother and sister with her, which
Speaker 1: sounds awful and tragic for him.
Speaker 4: And there's a story there because it's like why split
Speaker 4: up the kids something.
Speaker 1: Belle Julie her mom is her best friend, but she
Speaker 1: also just did not have a relationship with her dad.
Speaker 1: So you know, these guys are kind of in this
Speaker 1: in similar ways, Like they seem like they have similar
Speaker 1: broken home backgrounds ish things. They both kind of want
Speaker 1: to rewrite their families, which is that they want to
Speaker 1: stay together for their kids. So yeah, on paper, you know,
Speaker 1: Paul and Lisa they're like putting, you know, putting these things,
Speaker 1: these people together.
Speaker 2: And then they say this line. I think it's Lisa says.
Speaker 1: It that Mecca at his most actualized might be perfect
Speaker 1: for Bellejoly and that was interesting.
Speaker 2: I was like, that's a weird way.
Speaker 3: I thought so too, I thought, but I love how
Speaker 3: the other how how.
Speaker 2: Paul was he's like, that's the way Yep, yep.
Speaker 3: He's like pointing out earlier, Yep, that's that's a great
Speaker 3: way to say it. That's a great way to say it.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's similar to like what you said about
Speaker 2: the Adam thing.
Speaker 1: They're they're expecting somebody to change somebody else or or
Speaker 1: in this case, for somebody to change, like he will
Speaker 1: have to actualize himself in order to be in this relationship.
Speaker 2: That's a risk, man. I don't know about that.
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 4: The one of the things that Susan and I always
Speaker 4: talk about is the fact that one of the things
Speaker 4: we loved about each other from right from right away
Speaker 4: and then grew is that other than little things, which
Speaker 4: is totally normal, neither of us had to change the
Speaker 4: person we are to be with the other person, right
Speaker 4: Like we didn't have to change napping during the day.
Speaker 3: All that stuff worked.
Speaker 4: It wasn't like, Okay, I want to be with you
Speaker 4: and I love you, but you've got to change blah
Speaker 4: blah blah blahlah.
Speaker 3: It's like none of that totally. And again, little things happen,
Speaker 3: but that's it.
Speaker 2: A lot of that is being older too.
Speaker 1: When you meet do you know what I mean, because
Speaker 1: you guys you were already in your thirties, right, Well, no,
Speaker 1: when we first met in late twenties.
Speaker 3: I was twenty three twenty four when I first.
Speaker 4: Met, okay, But again then it was you know, we've
Speaker 4: been together now fifteen years. So the second time we
Speaker 4: were together and started really dating, it was that's when
Speaker 4: we really got into it. And it was one of
Speaker 4: those things where it was it was just like, I
Speaker 4: don't need her to change anything about herself, and she
Speaker 4: doesn't need me to change anything about myself, and that
Speaker 4: was one of the best parts about it. So, yeah,
Speaker 4: the idea of like she's gonna be good for you
Speaker 4: because she's gonna make you better at the blah blah blah,
Speaker 4: it's like, don't I agree.
Speaker 3: I agree, it's a bad omen.
Speaker 2: I think it's I think here's what here's what I'll
Speaker 2: say to that.
Speaker 1: I think actually, you and Susan probably did change a lot,
Speaker 1: it was just not conscious.
Speaker 2: That makes sense.
Speaker 1: I think the problem is conscious change. If you're consciously
Speaker 1: like I need to change who I am to be
Speaker 1: with this person, or I need that person needs to
Speaker 1: change to be with me, that's where you are problems.
Speaker 1: But I do think we make adjustments, we just don't
Speaker 1: do it consciously.
Speaker 2: You know, maybe you're right. I don't know, because I
Speaker 2: was thinking about it. I was like, I think I
Speaker 2: probably did change a lot.
Speaker 1: And you know, from the outside, people might say like,
Speaker 1: oh that, but if you have to, if it's a
Speaker 1: conscious thing, that's where I think you run into problems
Speaker 1: because you start having resentment.
Speaker 2: But I think if you just adjust to each other's speed,
Speaker 2: do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Because like I just like, like I find it funny,
Speaker 1: like I walk so much faster than my wife, and
Speaker 1: it's like it's such a thing, do you know what
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 2: Like you just like people have different different paces.
Speaker 1: And then I walk with like I go because we
Speaker 1: like we go hiking, right, we go backpack and we
Speaker 1: go hiking. I'm always like half a mile ahead of her.
Speaker 1: And then I go backpacking with like my guy friends.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're like I am the slowest hiker, and
Speaker 1: it's like you just realize, like, yeah, we all have
Speaker 1: kind of a pace, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And we either like meet each other, we like match up,
Speaker 1: or we don't. But if we left to our own devices,
Speaker 1: we really do.
Speaker 2: Just like get miles apart from each other.
Speaker 1: And so I think if you like, if you're expected
Speaker 1: to make conscious effort and you're like really have to
Speaker 1: like run to keep up, it might be too much,
Speaker 1: you know. But if you can just fall into a
Speaker 1: pace together and be like, oh, you know what I
Speaker 1: mean this metaphorically like in the relationship, in all the
Speaker 1: different ways, you just like, I don't know, that's my take,
Speaker 1: but I get it.
Speaker 2: I can't think you changed a lot.
Speaker 3: Probably I probably and maybe just didn't know it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is the best way, right, It just happens.
Speaker 2: It's like a little Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I worry about these sort of conscious like we're
Speaker 1: gonna bring these two people together because this bring out
Speaker 1: the best or the worst. But anyway, bel Jolie's getting ready.
Speaker 1: She says, if he wore white, that'll mean he's an artist.
Speaker 2: And he is wearing white. He's also not wearing.
Speaker 1: Socks socks, he's got spiky shoes on. But I do
Speaker 1: like his confidence with his friends, and he's like, as
Speaker 1: we again, no, I'm not wearing socks, like you know.
Speaker 1: It's funny because he's confident in all these like out
Speaker 1: talkie ways, but then it seems like he has some
Speaker 1: central insecurities, you know, like he's really worried about not
Speaker 1: being accepted.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a lot going on there, and I think
Speaker 4: by the end the personality was starting.
Speaker 3: To push a little bit, I know, just a little bit.
Speaker 2: Well, I think he was nervous. I think it was.
Speaker 3: I'm sure. I'm sure.
Speaker 1: Back to Torrian Felipe wedding time, he walks out immediately
Speaker 1: just says hi everyone, and he keeps he keeps putting
Speaker 1: everybody at ease, which I just think is totally his personality.
Speaker 4: And I wonder if they asked the cast here to
Speaker 4: change up something that has been in the show a lot,
Speaker 4: because some of the couples, not all, but some of
Speaker 4: the guys would walk down the aisle and instantly turn
Speaker 4: and introduce themselves to either the dad or the mom
Speaker 4: of their future partner. Hi, I'm so and so none
Speaker 4: of them did that. They stood up there and they're
Speaker 4: like hi, but none none of them walked over. And
Speaker 4: we're like, hey, I just wanted to do it, and
Speaker 4: that's happened several times in the past, and I don't
Speaker 4: understand why you wouldn't do that. So I'm wondering since
Speaker 4: none of them did it if it was a producer
Speaker 4: note of like we're gonna stop doing the introducing yourself
Speaker 4: to parents they just wanted.
Speaker 2: To up there, didn't or like maybe no risk.
Speaker 4: But again, it's one of those things where there were
Speaker 4: several couples in the past a lot where the you know,
Speaker 4: the guy especially would walk out because he's out there
Speaker 4: first and instantly go over to the dad or the mom,
Speaker 4: introduce himself, shake their hand like it was very respectful.
Speaker 3: And none of them did that this time.
Speaker 4: So I'm curious if that was a producer note or
Speaker 4: if they just didn't do it.
Speaker 2: That's interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm curious too, because I mean, if it's a
Speaker 1: producer note, they did it in order to protect the
Speaker 1: people who show up without their family with maybe yeah,
Speaker 1: and which is in two of the three couples, yere
Speaker 1: I have complicated family situations where it would be maybe
Speaker 1: awkward if they did that.
Speaker 2: So interesting.
Speaker 1: Well, anyway, I thought it was interesting the way that
Speaker 1: Philippe was Felipe was just immediately like trying to make
Speaker 1: everybody else feel good.
Speaker 2: Just immediately put himself in a hosting mode. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: was like, this guy's great, this guy's funny.
Speaker 3: And then well, that's what he does that. You know,
Speaker 3: he probably in the front of the house of the restaurant.
Speaker 3: That's what he does.
Speaker 2: And then she she's back backstage. I wanted to say,
Speaker 2: by the way, I guess it's backstage in a way.
Speaker 3: She brings up that he might run away again.
Speaker 2: It's just like, oh my god.
Speaker 3: She is got this on the brain.
Speaker 4: I'm dying to know how many people have literally turned
Speaker 4: and run from her.
Speaker 1: Well, he turns around as she walks down the aisle
Speaker 1: and says, you're stunning because she is. You laugh.
Speaker 2: They immediately are He's.
Speaker 1: Open, He's funny. She makes this comment about being happy
Speaker 1: that so many friends and family showed up for Felipe.
Speaker 3: Is he the one He's the one who said wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, She's just like wow, and everyone started to laugh.
Speaker 3: It's great. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He makes a little speech about you know, when we argue,
Speaker 1: I will probably try to win, but I will get
Speaker 1: you the best table in the house and the dessert
Speaker 1: that you want, which I thought it was great, you know,
Speaker 1: And then they have this b moment where there's some
Speaker 1: in her veil and.
Speaker 3: He calls her babes.
Speaker 1: He's like, your babes, that that's funny because that could
Speaker 1: be either one of those things.
Speaker 3: It's going to drive her crazy or that's what he's
Speaker 3: going to call her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I love that. Somebody says like, oh, he's
Speaker 2: already rescuing.
Speaker 3: It was the efficient already rescuing you yep.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So they're pronounced and he says, let's hug. They hug,
Speaker 1: but then they kissed too, and I think they have chemistry.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: I think that's pretty great, you know. And as we're
Speaker 1: walking away, she says, you're so hot in private, which
Speaker 1: was nice.
Speaker 2: You know that she sort of saved it for when
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 4: Just them because I was worried about that. I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: is she not as attracted to him as he is
Speaker 4: to her? Yeah, because I did I know you didn't
Speaker 4: listen to the preview, and I don't want to ruin anything.
Speaker 4: And frankly, I don't know who it is. You hear
Speaker 4: a voiceover in the preview of a woman telling a man,
Speaker 4: and I have no idea who it is, but a
Speaker 4: woman telling a man I'm not I'm not physically attracted
Speaker 4: to you. Oh no, Yeah, So it's like I don't
Speaker 4: know who what couple that is.
Speaker 2: But when I first saw it was like hell yeah.
Speaker 4: But then she's like, you're so hot, and I think
Speaker 4: she was genuine when she said that. So I think
Speaker 4: they're I think they're attracted to they're right now my
Speaker 4: favorite couple.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, they seem like they seemed like well paired on
Speaker 1: paper and they felt you feel chemistry.
Speaker 3: Yes, agreed.
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, cool, Like so yeah, I'm optimistic
Speaker 2: about these two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know too.
Speaker 1: All right, Then we see Mecca getting ready. He's got like,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of a rowdy group of guys, lots
Speaker 1: of laughter, and then he's alone with his dad and
Speaker 1: his grandma and the you know, they they seem sweet.
Speaker 1: His dad got to be a little much by the
Speaker 1: end of the episode, but at this point, I.
Speaker 4: Wait, too much, like he was like trying to make
Speaker 4: it about himself wedding and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Dude, sit out. I was seriously like, sit down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little weird. It's a little weird that he
Speaker 2: like got up and gave a speech.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know when they cut to Belgiolie and
Speaker 1: she's got like her flashy jewelry on her necklace, I
Speaker 1: was like, these dudes do seem right for each other
Speaker 1: and they have like a lot of the but she
Speaker 1: does not want to kiss on the lips.
Speaker 2: She's insisting on the cheek.
Speaker 1: Kiss fair then yeah, But then Mecca's dad says, if
Speaker 1: she gives you the cheek, it's weak sprung man sprung,
Speaker 1: and he's really just set his son up for not
Speaker 1: a great situation. It yeah gives she says in the car,
Speaker 1: She's like, she's not going to do it. I hope
Speaker 1: that it doesn't turnish his ego. She's already made the
Speaker 1: decision and Mecca's trying to play it by ear with
Speaker 1: his pressure from his dad. So this ends up being
Speaker 1: kind of a.
Speaker 2: Loaded situation, which is ye, yeah, yeah. It feel like if.
Speaker 1: Nobody had talked about this, yes, let it be, the
Speaker 1: probably would have worked itself out.
Speaker 2: You just would have not kissed and not thought about it,
Speaker 2: or kissed and not overthought it.
Speaker 3: But now it literally says, oh, if he gives you
Speaker 3: the she gives you the cheek.
Speaker 4: It's so like Jesus, you're already there's already you're saying
Speaker 4: it's bad if you don't.
Speaker 3: She doesn't want to kiss me right there at the wedding, Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's yeah, did the first couple kiss. Yeah, they did. Okay,
Speaker 3: that's what he.
Speaker 1: They so Felipe said, let's go for a hug. They
Speaker 1: hugged and then he pulled out kissed her on the
Speaker 1: cheek while he went in for the hug, and then
Speaker 1: they actually He's like, OK.
Speaker 3: Let's kiss.
Speaker 1: So they kind of checked with each other, so they
Speaker 1: did like a hug cheek, then they actually kissed. So yeah,
Speaker 1: but Mecca is super nervous and bouncy.
Speaker 2: She comes in.
Speaker 1: She says, Jesus helped me. Everybody laughs. There seem to be,
Speaker 1: you know, into one another. They're both beautiful people, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like they're there they clothing in
Speaker 1: terms of their types.
Speaker 2: That's like, these guys seem right.
Speaker 4: But I feel like, I don't know it felt you
Speaker 4: think you think it's still gonna be it's gonna be
Speaker 4: his job.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it's just like I don't know. I think
Speaker 1: the job is a big thing, but it's gonna become
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like he's trying too hard
Speaker 1: in this moment, and I'm hoping that he can calm
Speaker 1: it down because like she talks about being a foodie
Speaker 1: and he immediately says like I'll lead tentacles or whatever,
Speaker 1: and it's like, I don't know if that's the right,
Speaker 1: Like he goes too far, you know, and I think
Speaker 1: it's nerves.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think ultimately.
Speaker 1: Like there might be something about him that just rubs
Speaker 1: her the wrong way and able to say is cleaning toilets,
Speaker 1: but in part it might be cleaning toilets.
Speaker 4: I get kind of the same vibe a little bit
Speaker 4: with Mecca as I do with Adam, And I don't
Speaker 4: mean anything red flaggy about Mecca, but what I mean
Speaker 4: by that is how they look on camera is also
Speaker 4: in their mind, Whereas Felipe to me, seemed like he
Speaker 4: was kind of all in, like he was just kind
Speaker 4: of there where these guys are like pushing it for
Speaker 4: the camera as well, like.
Speaker 3: Adam needs to be the cool, in control guy.
Speaker 4: And Mecha kind of needs to be the fun, like
Speaker 4: I'm cool kind of guy.
Speaker 3: But it's like.
Speaker 4: It it matters how they come off on camera, and
Speaker 4: that's a whole different vibe than if you're just there
Speaker 4: to get married, yea. And it seemed like Felipe was
Speaker 4: just kind of about getting married and not about being
Speaker 4: on the show. And they're also thinking about being on
Speaker 4: the show, and I think that taints it.
Speaker 2: A little bit.
Speaker 1: It's a good way to put it, actually, yeah, I
Speaker 1: would say just try hard, right, yes, yes, exactly exactly. Well,
Speaker 1: they have their kiss moment and she really kind of
Speaker 1: sticks to her cheek thing, like pointing cheeky geek, So
Speaker 1: he respects that, and then she has this moment of like, hey,
Speaker 1: I just met you, and they sing together this is crazy,
Speaker 1: which is cute.
Speaker 2: That song comes on the soundtrack.
Speaker 1: And they walk out, and then he immediately starts expressing insecurity,
Speaker 1: saying that the family seems like they hate me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then he brings back the cheek week tongue sprung
Speaker 1: thing from his dad, which is haunting him. And I
Speaker 1: really really blame his dad for yes, bringing this up. Also,
Speaker 1: like you said, kind of overtaking the ceremony itself, making
Speaker 1: it about.
Speaker 3: Him standing up and making a speech. It's like you
Speaker 3: make your speeches after it's not about you right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: We cut to Marissa and Adam mom with Marissa. She
Speaker 1: gives her a diamond bracelet. She didn't Marissa did not
Speaker 1: invite her dad to the wedding. We don't know the
Speaker 1: exact history, but she says, we don't talk anymore. So
Speaker 1: I was thinking like, yeah, you know, this kind of
Speaker 1: works with Adam's situation. But then she's bringing out all
Speaker 1: these little alcohol bottles to be shot with.
Speaker 2: Her friends, and I was like, oh, this is not
Speaker 2: going to go over there.
Speaker 3: No, here's the other thing.
Speaker 4: If you're thirty, you should never take a fireball shot
Speaker 4: in your life. Fireball is for when you're nineteen and
Speaker 4: you rated somebody's liquor.
Speaker 1: Cac she was, I know, if she was doing champagne,
Speaker 1: I was exactly a deal, because it's like, you're just
Speaker 1: a classy drinker who happens to be with a guy
Speaker 1: who might not drink. But when you're doing five ball
Speaker 1: shots at your friends and this is it might be
Speaker 1: more of a like you're a you're like a party drinker.
Speaker 2: This is what you do for fun and this.
Speaker 3: Is like gas station and this.
Speaker 1: Is yeah, that's not gonna fly with with you know,
Speaker 1: the guy who's worried about chemicals and the microwavable plastics like.
Speaker 3: And it's just again, it's just the whole thing.
Speaker 2: It's just kind of like this is all not not.
Speaker 3: Going This is gonna be bad. This is going to
Speaker 3: be bad.
Speaker 1: And then he cuts to Adam and they're like, how
Speaker 1: did you feel about the gives And he goes, oh,
Speaker 1: she got me a journal, but I read a lot.
Speaker 2: I'm a gentleman and a scholar. Six' five by the, way.
Speaker 1: What, yeah they give off your height when you're trying
Speaker 1: to describe yourself as a, reader, gentleman, Scholar he, says
Speaker 1: six to five by the, Way like those things don't
Speaker 1: counteract when it's, like what are you talking?
Speaker 3: About everything this guy says is horrifying so. Much, dude
Speaker 3: what are you?
Speaker 1: Doing?
Speaker 2: Dude, yeah what are you?
Speaker 3: Doing? Yeah, yeah He you.
Speaker 1: Know it's funny because he talked about how he doesn't you,
Speaker 1: know he's always been so seriou about, wife so he
Speaker 1: doesn't go to like frat, parties and he didn't want
Speaker 1: to go to like BUT i actually think that's probably
Speaker 1: where he would meet the type of woman he actually,
Speaker 1: wants which is probably someone like kind of younger who
Speaker 1: wants somebody who will mold them into a better per.
Speaker 3: Submissive yes, exactly you, know a better person into his, version.
Speaker 1: But that they will let, him you, know that somebody
Speaker 1: who's just LIKE i NEED i need a sort of
Speaker 1: father figure, Person like that's where you meet those, women,
Speaker 1: Dude like you actually meet them at the parties and,
Speaker 1: like you know WHAT i, Mean like the sorority he's
Speaker 1: like is going the wrong, way like by trying to
Speaker 1: find a, matchmaker who's gonna find like somebody good On
Speaker 1: he doesn't want somebody good on. Paper, now you want
Speaker 1: somebody who's like a blank slate who's probably on the younger,
Speaker 1: side not physically but, mentally do.
Speaker 2: You know WHAT i?
Speaker 4: Mean and probably not the person in the world exactly
Speaker 4: somebody loves.
Speaker 3: Exactly you're, smart you're like a. Genius, yes, YEAH i don't.
Speaker 2: THINK i don't.
Speaker 1: Think somebody who wants to contribute to her own, pages
Speaker 1: to a journal with him is what he's looking.
Speaker 4: For and he's given her goggles because he wants to
Speaker 4: rip it on the jet.
Speaker 3: Skis it's like she wants he.
Speaker 1: Wants he wants somebody with her arms wrapped her around.
Speaker 1: Him well he drives the jet Ski, yes you know
Speaker 1: that she's just along for the.
Speaker 2: Ride that is his.
Speaker 4: Life, yeah and he even wrote bonus points if you
Speaker 4: can tell me what the red thing is and the
Speaker 4: thing you're, like, really come, on, dude.
Speaker 3: Pop quiz qu here you.
Speaker 6: Go can you tell me the calorie content of microwavable?
Speaker 6: Popcorn if you can answer that, question Then i'll have
Speaker 6: some with. You but only, yeah only a quarter of
Speaker 6: a serving Because i'm. Counting, no this is, yeah you're.
Speaker 4: Exactly this is the guy who is, like you're not
Speaker 4: having dessert tonight and would pull the dessert away from
Speaker 4: Her like that's this.
Speaker 1: Guy it's like, No AND i wonder how much of
Speaker 1: his family just finds him insufferable and that's why they're not, coming.
Speaker 3: Yeah or they're all like.
Speaker 1: This, well he ends up walking down the aisle with
Speaker 1: his friend's, girlfriend which is just. WEIRD i was kind
Speaker 1: of like just walked on the island by. HERSELF i don't.
Speaker 1: Know she's worried that her friends might be drunk again
Speaker 1: on a great.
Speaker 3: Sign not a good. Sign and then.
Speaker 2: She pulls, up walks out and they know each other.
Speaker 3: Around and she, SAYS i know. Him, okay my.
Speaker 2: Theory here's my.
Speaker 4: THEORY i think the girl that he called earlier is
Speaker 4: going to be one of her, friends even tangentially obviously
Speaker 4: not a good enough friend to be invited to the,
Speaker 4: wedding but somebody where she's gonna be, like, oh he
Speaker 4: like date he was kind of like with a friend
Speaker 4: of like SOMEBODY i knew, from which is why they
Speaker 4: put it in the.
Speaker 3: Show, interesting that's My it's a total shot in the.
Speaker 4: Dark but that was WHAT i said To. Susan she's,
Speaker 4: like oh my, GOD i wonder if that's.
Speaker 1: It that's a good call BECAUSE i just think they're
Speaker 1: so LIKE i don't, KNOW i don't know how the show,
Speaker 1: works But i'm, like could they just call it off right?
Speaker 2: Now if they know each? Other wait?
Speaker 3: SOON i said the same.
Speaker 4: Thing it's, like can they, say, hey we dated years,
Speaker 4: AGO i we don't like each.
Speaker 2: Other. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah saying what you're saying is more interesting because there
Speaker 1: would have been a reason for them to have not
Speaker 1: even considered dating each.
Speaker 2: Other do you know WHAT i?
Speaker 1: Mean, like because OTHERWISE i would, say like the way
Speaker 1: that they, reacted if they know each, other that they're
Speaker 1: they're not into, it like they they would have pursued
Speaker 1: it if they could, have so it might just be.
Speaker 3: Over it was such a good ending to the. EPISODE
Speaker 3: i was so.
Speaker 1: Pissed, As, oh they're just gonna have turned around and that's,
Speaker 1: It and THEN i was, like, no they're gonna turn
Speaker 1: around and set us. Up all, right we're in in
Speaker 1: line and sinker my.
Speaker 2: Friend all, right, well this is gonna be a good. Season.
Speaker 2: Man i'm really think so.
Speaker 1: Too i'm very. Curious SO i think we were in.
Speaker 1: Agreement Then adam And, marissa it's never gonna.
Speaker 3: Work, ever gonna.
Speaker 2: Work Mecca beljerlely probably not gonna. Work probably.
Speaker 3: Not BUT i Am.
Speaker 2: Here's the. THING i really like Both belgilely And, YES
Speaker 2: i actually like.
Speaker 1: Them both as, people AND i THINK i think THAT
Speaker 1: i understand why the matchmakers made the choices.
Speaker 2: They, did BUT i think they messed it. UP i
Speaker 2: don't think they're Gonna.
Speaker 4: Here's one THING i will say about the shows That
Speaker 4: i've watched. Before it's usually the couple you don't don't
Speaker 4: think have a chance that are still. Together, Right it's
Speaker 4: the weirdest. Thing but, Yeah i'd also like to start
Speaker 4: a new little, segment if that's, okay called what an?
Speaker 3: Arrangement and what it is you.
Speaker 2: Have to, say Like tony d?
Speaker 3: Arrangement oh, no it is some of the most famous
Speaker 3: arranged marriages throughout.
Speaker 2: History oh, Great so.
Speaker 4: We're going to start today With Marie antoinette And louis
Speaker 4: the Sixteen, yes both partners in the arrangement had parents
Speaker 4: before them looking to wheel power and For Marie antoinette
Speaker 4: and The Austro hungarian, kingdom marriage With louis the sixteenth
Speaker 4: Of france was intended to push back efforts By prussia
Speaker 4: And Great britain during the eighteenth.
Speaker 3: Century the two were married by.
Speaker 4: Proxy their union was one that was built the unity
Speaker 4: of two, kingdoms but later devolved into scandal and then
Speaker 4: both were eventually executed during The French.
Speaker 2: Revolution by? Proxy does that mean they got married without
Speaker 2: even seeing each? Other?
Speaker 4: Correct so we would get married and what you would
Speaker 4: literally stand with somebody else and they give your, vows
Speaker 4: and somewhere else in another kingdom they do the same.
Speaker 3: Thing and then you'd find each other in the. Middle
Speaker 3: so that's how it.
Speaker 4: Happened but they the rumors were that they grew to
Speaker 4: be very much in love even when all the scandals
Speaker 4: and The French. Revolution that apparently it worked and then.
Speaker 2: They lost their. Heads, wow is?
Speaker 3: It what an? Arrangement what are the reach old.
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Speaker 2: Commitment we'll see you next. Time trap your smoking
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