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Speaker 1: Tory folks from the Saint Louis Rams Greatest show in

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Speaker 1: term one, Now with the NFL Report.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the NFL Reports first Edition, Steve Playoff Edition,

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Speaker 2: James Palmer, Steve Witch with you on a Tuesday evening.

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Speaker 2: If you're watching this program, we have tremendous guests. Our

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Speaker 2: insider Mike Garafalo is gonna give us everything about the

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Speaker 2: coaching carousel that is happening right now. Is Bryce Young

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Speaker 2: helping or hurting the Panthers in their search? And Jeff

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Speaker 2: Shedea will join us. Is Tuta or Trevor Lawrence Steve

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Speaker 2: Worth a big contract? We'll find out. Also Phil Perry

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Speaker 2: from NVC Sports Boston, friend of the show, What's Happening

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Speaker 2: in New England? Does Mike Rabeles departure from Tennessee now

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Speaker 2: play a part in What's Happening in New England? Steve,

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Speaker 2: I'm very excited. It's Wildcar weekend. I'm gonna be at Arrowhead.

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Speaker 2: I'm not excited for that part because it's Dolphins Chiefs

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Speaker 2: and it's gonna be about six degree for me while

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Speaker 2: I'm standing there on the sidelines.

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Speaker 3: Well, Jap, look, you're you're gonna get a front row seat,

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Speaker 3: so to speak. But a lot of other folks are

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Speaker 3: gonna have to tune in to the Peacock Streaming app exclusively.

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Speaker 3: And coming up also on the show, we're gonna have

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Speaker 3: Mike North, the NFL's VP of Broadcast Planning, explaining why

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Speaker 3: this huge game between the Dolphins and the Chiefs is

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Speaker 3: available only on a Peacock streaming app.

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Speaker 4: Allan in the shotgun, here's the snap fires over on

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Speaker 4: the right side and into the end zone for the

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Speaker 4: touchdown is Dawson Knox and the Bills have the lead

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Speaker 4: back to pass fires out to the left sideline and

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Speaker 4: it's an excepted by Taylor Rap the Buffalo Bill steal

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Speaker 4: the division title from the Miami Dolphins.

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Speaker 3: Well, look, everything we talked about so far as big news,

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Speaker 3: but in his Bigger News Tuesday, usually a segment we

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Speaker 3: assigned for Mondays, but we were kind of bumped back

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Speaker 3: because Monday was a little busy yesterday, So JP bigger

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Speaker 3: news those Buffalo Bills rallying from six and six to

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Speaker 3: win the AFC East or the Houston Texans winning the

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Speaker 3: AFC South.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to Houston Texans, Steve. I know this is

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Speaker 2: a great story in Buffalo, but they've had success. Success

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Speaker 2: is a word that has not been used in Houston

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Speaker 2: for some time. Demiko Ryans the fourth head coach they've

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Speaker 2: had in the last four seasons. Remember the three seasons

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Speaker 2: prior to this one, nobody lost more games than the

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Speaker 2: Houston Texans and went eleven thirty eight and one. And

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Speaker 2: now they've won the AFC South. Now what this really

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Speaker 2: looks like to me, Steve spending time in Houston covering

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Speaker 2: that beat, is that there were fans and I know

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Speaker 2: this talking to people in Houston that were very weary

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Speaker 2: of getting back in with their fandom. They were burned

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Speaker 2: by the Deshaun Watson situation. And now I believe this

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Speaker 2: has solidified that you have a quarterback in CJ. Stroud,

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Speaker 2: you have a head coach in Damiko Ryans that is

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Speaker 2: building something not just this year, but years moving forward.

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Speaker 2: And I mentioned CJ. Stroud. He doesn't deserve enough credit

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Speaker 2: even though he's gonna win Rookie of the Year. Three

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Speaker 2: players in the history of the NFL Steve had led

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Speaker 2: the led the league in yards per game and touchdown

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Speaker 2: to interception ratio, Tom Brady, Joe Montana and now CJ.

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Speaker 2: Stroud and I don't think either one of those guys

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Speaker 2: did it in their rookie season. So where this team

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Speaker 2: stands right now winning the division. Give me a number.

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Speaker 2: How many quarterbacks would you take if you were building

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Speaker 2: a franchise over CJ. Stroud?

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Speaker 5: Wow? You know, five? Maybe six?

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Speaker 3: And I'm talking about guys you know, like Lamar Jackson,

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Speaker 5: There's just there's a couple other dudes.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 3: You know, my guy Rock Party, I've got a soft spot,

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Speaker 3: I probably would take Dak Patrick mahone was of course,

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Speaker 3: but he is right in the mix. But to be

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Speaker 3: the bigger story, it is the Buffalo Bills because think

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Speaker 3: about this, I mean we talked about when they were

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Speaker 5: Get him out of here. Point, what's going on with

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Speaker 5: Josh Allen von Miller? What what? What? What's to deal

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Speaker 3: There was just so much chaos and controversy around this team.

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Speaker 3: And then that's when you planted your stake in the

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Speaker 3: that is exactly what's going on because they're playing a

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Speaker 5: Josh Allen says, I'll take it and run it.

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Speaker 3: Sneak big runs. Their style of football, and what they've

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Speaker 3: they play host now to the Jage to the TJ.

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Speaker 3: Wattless Pittsburgh Steelers. We think Buffalo is moving on to

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Speaker 3: the next round. JP, you called the most dangerous team

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Speaker 3: and someone is about to find out.

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Speaker 5: All right, number two, JP, Let's get this.

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Speaker 3: As we're talking about teams that were surging, let's talk

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Speaker 3: about the team where the parachute hasn't open when they

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Speaker 3: pull the ripcord. Bigger news the Miami Dolphins injuries and

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Speaker 3: failures down the stretch when they should have clinched the

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Speaker 3: AFC East weeks ago, or the Philadelphia Eagles, who just

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Speaker 3: seem in full blown freefall.

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Speaker 2: I gotta go with my hometown squad, Steve. I think

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Speaker 2: it's the Philadelphia Eagles when you say free fall. They're

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Speaker 2: the first team in the history of the NFL to

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Speaker 2: start ten to one and not win twelve games. I mean,

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Speaker 2: this is a collapse at the end of the season

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Speaker 2: that really has me shaking my head because if you

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Speaker 2: ask anybody in Philadelphia, if you listen to what's being

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Speaker 2: said out of the locker room, you know what it appears, Steve.

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Speaker 2: They don't have any answers on how to fix this,

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Speaker 2: and I think that's the scariest part about what's going

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Speaker 2: those injuries on the defensive side of the ball, they

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Speaker 2: still have Vic Fangio running that group. The Eagles wish

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Speaker 2: they had Vic Fangio. If they wanted Vic fanilch A.

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Speaker 2: Maybe he'll be back there next year. Because they've tried

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Speaker 2: two defensive coordinators and neither one of them has worked out.

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Speaker 2: It's a defense that has gotten old very quickly. Up front,

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Speaker 2: they're not getting the pressure they did a year ago.

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Speaker 2: They need more out of their youngsters upfront and an

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Speaker 2: There's just a lot of questions with not a lot

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Speaker 2: because I know there's something you saw in week eighteen

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the Dolphins to hear the bigger news.

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Speaker 3: Their body language was just really bad once they base

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Speaker 3: ad versity, and it's not the first time we've seen it. Right,

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Speaker 3: once they get into a tough game, it's kind of like,

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Speaker 3: oh man, what do we do? You know, the defense

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Speaker 5: I mean you talked about Vic Fangio.

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Speaker 3: They're down so many edge rushers that they just signed

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Speaker 3: Bruce Irvin and Justin Houston for this playoff game.

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Speaker 5: I actually love those signings, you know.

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Speaker 3: Again, and we talked to We talked about Melvin Ingram

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Speaker 5: Kids back that the day.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly what he did, but I mean just just

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Speaker 3: playing a great defense with corners who can cover Lugarious

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Speaker 5: He's someone who's.

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Speaker 3: Gonna be a problem with Tyreek goes back to Kansas

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Speaker 3: City where they lost earlier this year, where that Chief

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Speaker 3: much as we talk about the chief struggles, what's going

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Speaker 3: on in Miami right now just doesn't feel right. Not

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Speaker 3: saying they can't win this game, but it's gonna take

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Speaker 3: some special mojo early on in two degree weather for

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Speaker 3: them to get it going. Yeah, last week JPGA front

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Speaker 3: you know, you can watch them on Peacock if you uh,

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Speaker 2: Seat in the No, I'm brave the elements they'll be.

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Speaker 5: They'll be streaming it in the press box.

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Speaker 3: Last one, this is this is this story here though

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Speaker 3: it takes two hands to handle this Burger right here.

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Speaker 2: Bigger news.

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Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford and the Rams going back to Detroit where

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Speaker 3: Stafford is just a.

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Speaker 5: Legend where he really made his mark in the league, or.

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Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy going to hosting the Green Bay Packers where

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Speaker 3: he won a Super Bowl as Dallas with that number

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Speaker 2: Man, I think about Matthew Stafford going back to Detroit.

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Speaker 2: I think about the ratings during that Rams Super Bowl

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Speaker 2: in Detroit, how everybody was watching and rooting for Matthew

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Speaker 2: Stafford to win a Super Bowl. But I'm going with

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Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy against his own and the Packers. You know why, Steve,

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Speaker 2: Because I don't think there is a coach in this

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Speaker 2: They are eight and zero at home this season. You

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Speaker 2: can't lose your first home game of the season in

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Speaker 2: the postseason to your former team, Steve, What would Jerry

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Speaker 2: Jones do if that actually happened. We know the attention

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Speaker 2: dan Quinn is getting their defensive coordinator around the league

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Speaker 2: in these head coaching cycles right now, we know the

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Speaker 2: way Jerry Jones feels about Bill Belichick, Yes we do.

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Speaker 2: They change possibly happen in Dallas if Mike McCarthy doesn't

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Speaker 2: win this game against his former team, against a quarterback

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Speaker 2: and an offense that is playing extremely well. Jordan Love

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Speaker 2: is playing out of his mind right now, or playing

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Speaker 2: exactly the way they planned it right who knows. But

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Speaker 2: what he's doing is he has explosive plays. At times,

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Speaker 2: he's been down receivers, it's been fine, and to games

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Speaker 2: they've been able to sustain drives to not let the

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Speaker 2: other team offense back on the field. Steve right now,

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Speaker 2: Jordan Love. This season he did something that Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 2: and Brett Favre did not do in their first year

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Speaker 2: as a shorter in Green Bay. He took his team

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Speaker 2: to the postseason. He's thrown for more yards, he's thrown

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Speaker 2: for more touchdowns, he's thrown for fewer interceptions. That's the

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Speaker 2: player Mike McCarthy has to beat with everybody watching him

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, his quarterback Ak Prescott's playing pretty good

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Speaker 3: football right now. But outside outside of Lamar Jackson, who's

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Speaker 3: gonna be the MVP. There might not be two hotter

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Speaker 5: This has been this has been the most overlooked story.

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Speaker 3: In the NFL this year, how well Matthew Stafford is playing. Yes,

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Speaker 3: we're talking about Pooka Nakua and Cooper Cup, but Matthew

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Speaker 3: Stafford is the reason why.

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Speaker 5: Remember last year he had the show, the neck injury,

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Speaker 3: Bill Belichick, the Patriots coach, who is the greatest to

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Speaker 3: coming up, a friend of the show, Phil Perry from

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Speaker 3: latest at the NFL Report, which by the way, also

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the NFL Report, James Palmer, Steve Whitch

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Speaker 2: once again with you with an old friend of the show.

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Speaker 2: I got to see him in person recently and it

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Speaker 7: It's really a lack of self confidence, James. When I

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Speaker 7: People here in terms of the fan base, love Mike Rabel.

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Speaker 7: it has been, you know, not even mentioning Akuil Harry,

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Speaker 7: it's been a rough go for Bill Belichick over the

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Speaker 7: last ten years in the draft. So that's an issue.

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Speaker 7: And would he be willing to give up any sort

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Speaker 7: of personnel power if he were to stay in New England.

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Speaker 7: He was asked that question the other day in his

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Speaker 7: season ending press conference, and he made it sound as

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Speaker 7: though the tone, you know, that he used and his

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Speaker 7: answer made it sound as though he might be willing

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Speaker 7: to budge there. But he really didn't say he would

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Speaker 7: be willing to budge, and He'll tell you, I am

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Speaker 7: willing to listen to anybody who's around me, and I've

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Speaker 7: got a lot of people who around me who are

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Speaker 7: helping me. I can't possibly scout all these college over

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Speaker 7: the course of the year. And he's right, but these

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Speaker 7: decisions are ultimately his decisions, and so I think that's

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Speaker 7: going to be a big piece to why the Crafts

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Speaker 7: end up deciding whatever it is they decide at the

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Speaker 7: quarterback spot in particular. You know, going back to that

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Speaker 7: draft twenty twenty one, I was told was Bill was

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Speaker 7: Bill Belichick excuse me, completely sold on taking Mac Jones

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Speaker 7: at fifteen overall that year in the first round. The

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Speaker 7: answer would be null, but it was still his decision.

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Speaker 7: You know, there's been a narrative that's sort of caught

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Speaker 7: on locally here that, well, maybe Robert Kraft forced Bill

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Speaker 7: Belichick to take Mac Jones because they really didn't have

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Speaker 7: a quarterback. They're just coming off a tough year with

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Speaker 7: Cam Newton as their starter. Not the case, is my understanding,

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Speaker 7: at least having spoken to people who are in the

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Speaker 7: room that night, they all decided, is he maybe Andy

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Speaker 7: Dalton and is that not necessarily superstar quality. Yes, that's

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Speaker 7: essentially how they thought of him. But they also knew

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Speaker 7: if we don't take a shot on a quarterback, we'll

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Speaker 7: never hit. We're in quarterback purgatory. That's the word that

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Speaker 7: was used in recent conversations that I have had with these people.

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Speaker 7: They thought they were in quarterback purgatory and they needed

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Speaker 7: to take a shot at a quarterback. And Bill Belichick

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Speaker 7: was included in that decision, and he was the guy

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Speaker 7: who who ultimately pulled the trigger there, so drafting him,

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Speaker 7: not developing him properly, surrounding him with the right pieces.

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Speaker 7: I think all of this stuff will factor into the

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Speaker 7: Craft's decision, but it goes well beyond the quarterback spot.

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Speaker 2: Fascinating, Phil, fascinating, appreciate it.

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Speaker 6: Jumping on.

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Speaker 2: I feel like Steve were Phil on pretty much every

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Speaker 2: show moving forward until decisions made so clear your calendar, Phil,

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Speaker 2: appreciate it, buddy.

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Speaker 5: Thanks Phil.

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Speaker 7: I'm always here for you guys. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Thanks mat Hey. Coming up on the NFL report, there's

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Speaker 2: a hardball. Are there going to be two of them

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Speaker 2: in the NFL? The NFL reports NFL insider Mike Garritfolo

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Speaker 2: joins the show. Next.

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Speaker 3: You're listening to the NFL Report podcast, but you can

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Speaker 3: watch me, Steve Weich and my co host James Palmer

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Speaker 3: on the NFL at seven fifteen Eastern Time on Mondays

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Speaker 3: and Thursdays on the NFL app and free streaming platforms

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Speaker 2: Welcome back into the NFL Report, James Palmer, Steve whitch

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Speaker 2: with you, and here are your head coaching vacancies right now,

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Speaker 2: the one at the bottom. Mike Rabel just happened on

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Speaker 2: Tuesday as he departs the Tennessee Titans, and Mike Garafolo,

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Speaker 2: the NFL Reports NFL Insider joins us now, and Mike

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Speaker 2: has been all over every aspect of these coaching searches.

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Speaker 2: And there's one name that had just won a big

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Speaker 2: game in the college football world. Mike will get right

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Speaker 2: to it. In Jim Harbaugh, I just have to ask you,

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Speaker 2: because I've been watching you crush it on NFL Network.

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Speaker 2: Nice little, you know, compliment from your boy here, and

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Speaker 2: what you have to say about Harbor and the situations

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Speaker 2: that he's walking into in the situations these teams are

506
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Speaker 2: walking into by wanting to look at him and have

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Speaker 2: him be a potential candidate. I'm just curious. They know

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Speaker 2: who he is, they know he wins games. Do you

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Speaker 2: just let him be who he is? Or do any

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Speaker 2: of these teams try to, I don't know, change him,

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Speaker 2: do something. How does the search go when you know

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Speaker 2: so much about a guy that's so complicated.

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Speaker 8: Well, a lot of teams don't know that much about it, right,

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Speaker 8: I mean they've they've heard things from Afar and that's

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Speaker 8: part of the process, is having those conversations with those

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Speaker 8: who have worked with him before and the organizations that

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Speaker 8: he's been with. Organization, certainly in this case with the

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Speaker 8: forty nine ers that he's worked with. We know how

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Speaker 8: things ended there with the forty nine Ers that last year.

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Speaker 8: I remember it was week one the reports were coming

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Speaker 8: out that this was going to be Jim Harball's last

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Speaker 8: season with the forty nine ers, Like, how do you

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Speaker 8: exist as an organization for that entire year?

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Speaker 6: So the feedback they're getting is not it's not.

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Speaker 8: All negative, right, I mean, yeah, Jim Harball won a

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Speaker 8: lot of games.

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Speaker 6: He went to the Super Bowl, he almost won the

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Speaker 6: Super Bowl.

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Speaker 8: So and the year before was against the Giants in

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Speaker 8: an NFC championship game that they could have easily won

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Speaker 8: if not for a few mistakes in the rain that day.

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Speaker 8: So you're gonna get feedback if you're going to asking

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Speaker 8: people who have worked with Hardball before that. If you

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Speaker 8: want to win ball games, Yeah, that's great, But don't

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Speaker 8: expect that you're hiring this guy to be your coach

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Speaker 8: for the next I don't know, what's it been fifteen

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Speaker 8: years John Harball has been with the Baltimore Ravens. That

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Speaker 8: Harball's a little different than this Harball. He's gonna wear

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Speaker 8: out as welcome eventually, but in the meantime, you're gonna

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Speaker 8: win games. So I keep saying, of all these openings

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Speaker 8: right now, the one that to me makes the most

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Speaker 8: sense for him is the LA Chargers because they've got

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Speaker 8: the makeup of a team that can compete right away,

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Speaker 8: particularly at the quarterback position. I wouldn't if you're looking

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Speaker 8: to hire Jim Harball and you are a team that

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Speaker 8: is looking the draft a guy and maybe rebuild in

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Speaker 8: a lot of the ways, like let's say they're doing

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Speaker 8: in Washington, that doesn't seem to be a good fit

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Speaker 8: to me, So we'll see where it goes. But if

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Speaker 8: I'm Jim Harball too, I kind of look at it

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Speaker 8: and say, hey, Chargers already made the win right now

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Speaker 8: as well, So to me, that would be the one

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Speaker 8: that makes the most sense.

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Speaker 2: It's nice.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd be interesting because they've got the quarter You know,

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Speaker 3: we know Harbaugh's a builder and rebuilder of programs. They

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Speaker 3: got the quarterback with their record says that program needs

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Speaker 3: to be built back up. Here's an interesting one because

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Speaker 3: of course he's been tied to the Raiders as well.

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Speaker 3: You know, he hired Don Yee as his agent. Donie

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Speaker 3: was Tom Brady's agent. Brady's got the relationship with the Raiders.

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Speaker 3: But regardless if Antonio Pierce the interim coach, if he

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Speaker 3: doesn't get the job there, and we know he's in

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Speaker 3: the running, how come we're not hearing any request for

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Speaker 3: interviews for Antonio Pierce because he seems like someone who

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Speaker 3: this year has.

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Speaker 5: Got his locker room behind him and he won some

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Speaker 5: ball games.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well, he's a little bit outside the box because

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Speaker 8: he came from linebackers coach right through being a coordinator.

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Speaker 6: Mark Davis said he was intrigued by the idea.

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Speaker 8: He also came in and said, I'm going to do

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Speaker 8: the whole Raiders thing, right, that's me, That's.

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Speaker 6: Who I am. He's genuine about it.

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Speaker 5: Great point.

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Speaker 8: So it's gonna rough people the wrong way. Look, Steve, am,

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Speaker 8: I gonna have to speak in code on this one.

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Speaker 2: I just might have to.

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Speaker 6: That's gonna rub some people the wrong way.

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Speaker 8: Or he's not going to be many people's idea of

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Speaker 8: what a head coach should act like. Right, But you

582
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Speaker 8: know what, sometimes out of the box thinking and out

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Speaker 8: of the box hires.

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Speaker 6: I mean, Mike McDaniel that higher down in my enemy.

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Speaker 8: That's not the idea of what a head coach looks

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Speaker 8: like or acts like, or anything to that end. And

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Speaker 8: he's done a phenomenal job so far, so sometimes he

588
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Speaker 8: gotta think, like, hey, maybe we don't have to keep

589
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Speaker 8: looking for that cookie cutter idea of a head coach

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Speaker 8: that we've had for a number of years.

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Speaker 6: But it's also the right fit.

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Speaker 8: So to answer your question, why are we not hearing

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Speaker 8: those interviews elsewhere?

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Speaker 6: And what happens if he doesn't get the Raiders job.

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Speaker 8: Obviously he wouldn't remain on the staff because the new

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Speaker 8: coach wouldn't want that looking over his shoulder. I get

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Speaker 8: that he's still a great football mind. It's not to

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Speaker 8: say that he's just this personality. I mean when he

599
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Speaker 8: was a player, we talked about him as a coach

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Speaker 8: on the field. He's got a great grasp of the

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Speaker 8: ex's and os. I think I'll make a terrific assistant

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Speaker 8: coach and maybe even a core at some point that

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Speaker 8: maybe rebuild the resume for another chance down the line.

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Speaker 8: But it just everything right now is geared toward him

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Speaker 8: getting that job right now with the Vegas Raiders.

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Speaker 2: Let's jump over to Carolina. Mike, I'm curious because we're

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Speaker 2: looking at all all the guys are looking at in

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Speaker 2: terms of a GM vacancy, and then they're going to

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Speaker 2: fill a head coaching spot as well. When everybody's looking

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Speaker 2: at this and you're making calls, is Bryce Young helping

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Speaker 2: this in terms of people being interested or is he

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Speaker 2: hurting this in terms of being interested with the way

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Speaker 2: this first season went with him.

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Speaker 5: Question?

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Speaker 8: Well, here's what I think is hurting it more than

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Speaker 8: anything is the lack of firepower at the top of

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Speaker 8: the draft that they gave up to get Bryce Young. Like,

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Speaker 8: if you had him and you still had a first

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Speaker 8: round pick, it would be a much different story. So

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Speaker 8: I think that's hurting more than anything. He also, in

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Speaker 8: a lot of ways, was a lot of people's thought

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Speaker 8: as the top quarterback in the draft last year, not

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Speaker 8: just the Carolina Panthers.

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Speaker 6: I guess. I mean, I don't know if I would

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Speaker 6: call it consense. I don't remember the exact numbers.

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Speaker 8: It was closer to fifty to fifty certainly than it

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Speaker 8: was to one hundred zero the other way between him

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Speaker 8: and C. J.

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Speaker 2: Stroud.

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Speaker 8: So there are those who are out there and say, hey,

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Speaker 8: once I get a hold of Bryce Young and we

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Speaker 8: improve the talent around him. That was something even before

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Speaker 8: Frank Wright got hired that Frank Reich exactly. Listen, you

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Speaker 8: want to know what a coach thinks to himself, ask

635
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Speaker 8: him about, Hey, how's this guy doing.

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Speaker 6: I'm not as good as if I had him. You'll

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Speaker 6: get that a lot short.

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Speaker 8: But even before Frank Wrhich got fired last year, the

639
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Speaker 8: notion amongst the staff there and the personnel people there

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Speaker 8: was we'll just wait till we surround him with talent.

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Speaker 8: So that'll be the belief for whoever winds up taking

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Speaker 8: this job.

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Speaker 6: There is interest in it.

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Speaker 8: I thought coming into the hiring cycle that this was

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Speaker 8: going to be one of those I'm not touching that

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Speaker 8: with a ten foot pole because of what you're asking

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Speaker 8: me about with Bryce Young and also David Tepper, because

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Speaker 8: a lot of people may be seeing some stuff from

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Speaker 8: Afar and not know exactly what he's like to work

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Speaker 8: with him. But there is reciprocal interest in this job,

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Speaker 8: maybe a little bit more so than I thought there

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Speaker 8: was going to be.

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Speaker 3: Well, Mike, you know, there's always someone gonna take you

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Speaker 3: one to the thirty two, and there's always usually about

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Speaker 3: five or six million dollars a year. That also is

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Speaker 3: nice incentive for these guys to do it.

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Speaker 5: And Mike every day.

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Speaker 3: We'll let people know that we can catch you on

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Speaker 3: the inside aslong with your buddies Ian Rappaport and Tom

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Speaker 3: Pellisero and Judy Bautista.

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Speaker 5: We also love having you.

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Speaker 3: Here as the NFL Reports insider.

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Speaker 5: Great stuff. I love the stuff on Antonio Pierce brother.

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Speaker 5: That was really really good stuff.

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Speaker 6: Bro.

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Speaker 3: That's right coming up next, we got the cheat that's right,

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Speaker 3: We've got the dolphins, but you better have peacock if

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Speaker 3: you want to.

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Speaker 5: Watch them up.

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Speaker 3: Next, we're gonna find out why this game is only

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Speaker 3: on a streaming app on the NFL Report. All right,

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Speaker 3: welcome back to the NFL Report, and those of you

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Speaker 3: watching you can see the Super wild Card weekend schedule.

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Speaker 3: We got Brown text on Saturday Saturday Night, Dolphins Chiefs

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Speaker 3: eight pm on Peacock, the seeming app that is exclusive

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Speaker 3: on Peacock of course, Dealers, Bills, Packers, Cowboys, Rams, Allions, Eagles,

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Speaker 3: and Buccaneers. And here to explain more on how the

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Speaker 3: schedule was put together and some of the other machinations,

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Speaker 3: we have the NFL's VP of Broadcast Planning, Mike North. Mike,

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Speaker 3: thanks for joining us. And first off, Mike, you know,

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Speaker 3: I thought there was gonna be some wizardry board behind you.

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Speaker 3: But all we're seeing in some articles on a Michael

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Speaker 3: sam Jersey. Now, we thought there was some crazy like

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Speaker 3: metric computer behind you that made this happen.

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Speaker 1: Uh, there's another room with our scheduling board. Although the

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Speaker 1: truth is the scheduling board you know, it's a relic

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Speaker 1: of a by gone eric. You guys both remember Valt

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Speaker 1: Pinspeck who used to literally build the NFL schedule One

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Speaker 1: game at a time, one tag at a time, So

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Speaker 1: much more of it is done now, you know, with

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Speaker 1: the software trying to take into account factors that we

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Speaker 1: never could have considered back in the day, and you know,

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Speaker 1: we're doing our best. I'm not sure it's perfect, but

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Speaker 1: seems to be hitting most of the right buttons. If

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Speaker 1: you think about this season, you know, most of our

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Speaker 1: network partners viewership numbers are pretty good, had some real

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Speaker 1: kind of high water marks with like that Chiefs Eagles

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Speaker 1: Monday Night game, or Thanksgiving or Christmas. Again, there's been

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Speaker 1: some real good stuff and excited to see it start

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Speaker 1: to pay off now in the postseason.

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Speaker 2: Mike, I'm curious Sunday. Everybody is just waiting to see

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Speaker 2: who plays when, on what network, what happens. How does

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Speaker 2: Sunday kind of unfold? Especially when you had going into Sunday,

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Speaker 2: what was it, twenty teams with a possibility of going

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Speaker 2: into the postseason. How did Sunday kind of break down?

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Speaker 2: And how does it go to being finally given to

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Speaker 2: us Sunday night.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, remember it's not even just Sunday, right, it

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Speaker 1: starts on Saturday. We had two pretty compelling games on

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Speaker 1: Saturday afternoon kind of use Saturday, as those call them,

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Speaker 1: an appetizer, a little amuse booche if you will, a

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Speaker 1: little win and get some help, or play to stay alive,

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Speaker 1: something like that. So Pittsburgh's a great example. They were

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Speaker 1: the perfect Saturday game. They had to win, they knew that,

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Speaker 1: and then they needed help and they needed either Jacksonville

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Speaker 1: or Buffalo to get beat on Sunday for them to

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Speaker 1: know that they were playing Houston, Indy a little different.

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Speaker 1: They knew the winner was in, but they were both

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Speaker 1: still eyeing the title. So interestingly, when Jacksonville lost, you

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Speaker 1: know that benefited both of the winners some Saturday and

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Speaker 1: Buffalo on Sunday night, even though obviously they played their hardest. Look,

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Speaker 1: we're trying to sequence all of the final weekend of

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Speaker 1: the season to be you know, cascading games with playoff

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Speaker 1: implications over and over and over again all throughout the weekend.

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Speaker 1: Saturday play to stay alive, Sunday play and get some

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Speaker 1: help clinch a couple divisions early come into the late window,

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Speaker 1: Dallas playing for a division title, green Bay playing for

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Speaker 1: a playoff spot, and then culminating with that last game

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Speaker 1: of the season, hopefully a winning in and rendered bulletproof

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Speaker 1: from any of the previous results of the weekend. So

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Speaker 1: you know, no matter what, when you get to kick

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Speaker 1: off a Sunday night, somebody's winning in and we're just

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Speaker 1: kind of watching the whole day playout, just like the

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Speaker 1: rest of the fans are, and like, oh okay, now

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Speaker 1: this means they've clinched, and this means they're the two,

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Speaker 1: and this means they're gonna end up playing those guys,

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Speaker 1: and oh man, we might end up with that Rams

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Speaker 1: Detroit Stafford returns game on Wildcard weekend. And if we do,

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Speaker 1: what's the best use of that asset? Is it Sunday afternoon?

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Speaker 1: Is it Sunday night? Saturday? Is it Peacock?

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Speaker 6: Is it Monday night?

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Speaker 1: And so the way the wild Card weekend comes together

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Speaker 1: is we sort of work backwards. We work backwards from Monday.

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Speaker 1: We've been doing the Monday night Wildcard game. This will

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Speaker 1: be the third season, and that creates obviously some extra uncertainty.

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Speaker 1: You win on Sunday of wild Card weekend, you don't

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Speaker 1: know yet maybe who you play on divisional weekend. That's

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Speaker 1: new for us. Having the Monday game be a four

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Speaker 1: seed versus a five minimizes the uncertainty. Everybody else knows

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Speaker 1: what they're doing, and somebody's gonna play the winner of

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Speaker 1: the four or five game on Monday. So we like

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Speaker 1: a four or five game on Monday night. Someday we'll

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Speaker 1: play a three to six or a two seven, but

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Speaker 1: this year we had a pretty good one in Philly Tampa. Now,

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Speaker 1: the winner of that Monday plays the following Sunday, and

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Speaker 1: you're either playing San Francisco the one seed, or maybe

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Speaker 1: Dallas or Detroit, depending on if the seeds hold. You know,

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Speaker 1: you're always building wild card weekend with an eye towards

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Speaker 1: divisional weekend, backing up from Monday to Sunday. Dallas Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers. That sure sounds like Sunday afternoon four

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Speaker 1: point thirty, kind of right where it belongs. And then

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Speaker 1: you look at the rest of the games and they

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Speaker 1: were all pretty interesting. I mean, Cleveland Houston is got

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Speaker 1: a ton of storylines, not to mention Deshaun Watson, who's

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Speaker 1: not even playing. And then you get to Miami Kansas City,

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Speaker 1: a little rematch from the game that was over in Germany.

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Speaker 1: You've got Pittsburgh Buffalo they played in the playoffs a

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Speaker 1: few times, never in Buffalo, though I don't think, and

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Speaker 1: then obviously Stafford returns to Detroit. Any one of those

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Speaker 1: would have made great sense for Sunday one o'clock Sunday

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Speaker 1: eight o'clock Saturday afternoon. We were almost kind of lucky

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Speaker 1: enough to have a Kansas City Chiefs game that we

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Speaker 1: felt like we could afford quote unquote to put on Peacock.

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Speaker 1: You know, Peacock's important strategic benefit of having that as

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Speaker 1: a viable home for our games. They did a regular

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Speaker 1: season game this year, they'll do a regular season game

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Speaker 1: next year, and want this wildcard game to be successful.

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Speaker 1: One way to help ensure that, hopefully, is to put

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Speaker 1: a Patrick Mahomes game there.

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Speaker 3: I was about to say, let's stay right here on

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Speaker 3: this game because it is exclusive. You've seen some of

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Speaker 3: the talk about eleven Pro Bowlers in this game, not

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Speaker 3: just Patrick Mahomes. I mean, this is a star start

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Speaker 3: of a game as we have this weekend. But the

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Speaker 3: decision to put it on the exclusive streaming app has

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Speaker 3: created controversy. We can't see it on cable, we can't

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Speaker 3: see it on network. What about this route because we've

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Speaker 3: seen it before? I mean, is this a gamble of

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Speaker 3: any sorts of alienating fans. Or is it just, hey,

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Speaker 3: this is where things are going in the world, let's

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Speaker 3: get ahead of it. Or is it let's force people

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Speaker 3: to the streaming app.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, force is a tough word, but I think your

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Speaker 1: first two points are right. Is it a bit of

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Speaker 1: a gamble. I don't know if i'd call it a

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Speaker 1: gamble as much as an experiment. And is this where

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Speaker 1: television and sports viewership is going?

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Speaker 2: I think so.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think you're you're hinting at it, you're

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Speaker 1: alluding to it. Think of what we've done over the

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Speaker 1: last few years. Right, A couple of years ago, when

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Speaker 1: we put the Thursday Night package exclusively on Amazon, there

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Speaker 1: were the naysayers out there, I'm not going to get

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Speaker 1: that streaming service, so I'm not going to watch Thursday

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Speaker 1: night football. The NFL is making a terrible mistake. The

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Speaker 1: Thursday Night Package on Amazon this year performed really well

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Speaker 1: comparable to broadcast network. They average thirteen million people watching

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Speaker 1: every week. That sounds like a network television broadcast home

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Speaker 1: for NFL games. So I think we can put Amazon

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Speaker 1: in the success category. You know, it wasn't that long

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Speaker 1: ago that when we moved a Wildcard Game to ESPN,

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Speaker 1: and everybody said, this is a horrible mistake. You're taking

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Speaker 1: it off of free television onto paid services. And ESPN's

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Speaker 1: obviously here to stay, and in fact, they're moving to

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Speaker 1: the divisional round. So now ESPN simulcast on ABC to

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Speaker 1: be fair, but ESPN's got a Wildcard game and a

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Speaker 1: divisional game for the first time ever. And if you

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Speaker 1: go back even further, I mean, some of us are

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Speaker 1: old enough to remember when we first put you know,

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Speaker 1: gas on cable, when we first put that Sunday night

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Speaker 1: package on TNT and ESPN. This is the late eighties,

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Speaker 1: and everybody thought that was going to be a terrible mistake,

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Speaker 1: and it sort of seemed like those broadcast outlets were

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Speaker 1: going to be viable in the future. Is it a

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Speaker 1: bit of a risk, yeah, Is it a bit of

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Speaker 1: an experiment, definitely, But it sure seems like this is

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Speaker 1: where things are going. Who knows what the you know,

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Speaker 1: terrestrial linear television world looks like three years from now,

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Speaker 1: five years from now, eight years, ten years from now,

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Speaker 1: when we renegotiate our media deals, find that some of

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Speaker 1: these streaming services not only are viable, but even really preferable.

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Speaker 1: So I think this is more just about, you know,

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Speaker 1: kind of seating the marketplace. Certainly, we've got some work

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Speaker 1: to do to inform the fans and make sure they

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Speaker 1: understand this is truly streaming only. It's it's not going

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Speaker 1: to be on over the air television unless you're in

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Speaker 1: Miami and Kansas City. As you guys well know that

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Speaker 1: games are always on free over the air television in

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Speaker 1: the markets of the competing teams. But yeah, look, is

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Speaker 1: it going to do twenty five thirty million people? Maybe not,

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Speaker 1: But is it going to be the most streamed sporting

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Speaker 1: event in history?

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Speaker 2: We think so.

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Speaker 1: We just accomplished that goal with the Amazon game with

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks Cowboys just a few weeks ago. I think

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Speaker 1: we're going to find that this Miami Kansas City playoff

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Speaker 1: game on Peacock is going to be the most streamed event,

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Speaker 1: most streamed sports event in history, and that'll be another

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Speaker 1: bar for us to try to climb over in the future.

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Speaker 3: And by one thing we find out about NFL fans,

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Speaker 3: if they want to see a game, they're going to

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Speaker 3: see a game.

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Speaker 5: If they want to get to a stage game, they'll

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Speaker 5: find a way. So Mike, we.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate you breaking down so much of this, and especially

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Speaker 3: the streaming aspect of it, because we here at the

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Speaker 3: NFL Report are a streaming show as well, and we

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Speaker 3: like the fact that we're exploring this frontier.

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Speaker 5: So thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: The fans are finding you. It might take a little

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Speaker 1: social media engagement, it might take a little word of mouth,

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Speaker 1: and some of us may need help from our kids

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Speaker 1: to download the right app, but this is where the content.

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Speaker 2: Lives in some capacity. That'd be great.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, happy, all right, I appreciate you, Mike, thank you

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Speaker 3: having good block a weekend man. All right, going up,

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Speaker 3: Josh Allen and those Buffalo Bills. They're an exciting team

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Speaker 3: to watch. But what Josh Allen are we going to

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Speaker 3: see in the postseason? The one who gives up the

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Speaker 3: rock or the one who makes us want to watch.

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Speaker 5: We'll have more for that on the NFL Report.

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Speaker 2: Hey, it's James Palmer and you're listening to the NFL

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Speaker 2: Report podcast along with myself and Steve Weisch. But remember,

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Speaker 3: All right, back with the final block here at the

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Speaker 3: NFL Report, I'm Steve White and James Palmer and Jeff

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Speaker 3: Shedia once again is back for his weekly appearance in

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Speaker 3: his University of Michigan glory.

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Speaker 2: You wash the shirt, Jeff.

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Speaker 9: No need only busted out for the big wins Ohio

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Speaker 9: State national championship.

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Speaker 5: There you go, there you go real quick. This is

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Speaker 5: Jeffs first second.

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Speaker 3: Make sure to kept Jeff's column on NFL dot com

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Speaker 3: first read. Also, since we're talking about multimedia platforms, the

893
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Speaker 3: NFL Report is also a podcast. But Jeff, we're coming

894
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Speaker 3: to this weekend and we see the Buffalo Bills.

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Speaker 5: They are absolutely rolling.

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Speaker 3: They get to play host to the Pittsburgh Steelers, who

897
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Speaker 3: we know are wounded, especially on defense.

898
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Speaker 5: But Josh Allen Man, he giveth and he take it away.

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Speaker 3: What do you think we're gonna see or we're gonna

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Speaker 3: see anything different out of him.

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Speaker 9: You know what, Steve, You look at his track record

902
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Speaker 9: in the playoffs, and no matter how crazy he gets

903
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,879
Speaker 9: in the regular season, he typically bearged down and gets

904
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Speaker 9: a lot steadier at that time of the year. And

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Speaker 9: he's played some of his best football in January. So

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Speaker 9: that's what I'm expecting. And I know what happened in

907
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 9: Miami was bizarre to watch. It was the full Josh

908
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Speaker 9: Allen experience, the returnover that could have killed this team,

909
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Speaker 9: and then it comes back and makes a multitude of

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Speaker 9: greet plays to get them the win into fourunder yard

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Speaker 9: to total offense. And the stuff he can do is

912
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Speaker 9: just things that end up playing well in the postseason.

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Speaker 9: And I totally agree with Somebody told me this earlier

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Speaker 9: this week and that if you want to win playoff

915
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Speaker 9: games against Baltimore or Kansas City or whoever else San Francisco,

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Speaker 9: your quarterback has to do special things.

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Speaker 7: Josh Allen can do those things.

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Speaker 5: Well said.

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Speaker 2: Yep, as well, that is well said. And listen, everybody

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00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 2: I've talked to you up in Buffalo, Jeff says the

921
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Speaker 2: same thing. If Joe Brady and He's been able to

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Speaker 2: do it, get Josh Allen in a rhythm. That's when

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Speaker 2: you just see him kind of find that groove, like

924
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 2: almost like a shooter right in basketball, Like he kind

925
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Speaker 2: of finds that rhythm and he'll pull up from anywhere.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about two other quarterbacks. I witnessed one first

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Speaker 2: hand that was a part of a massive collapse. That

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Speaker 2: was Trevor Lawrence and the Jacksonville Jaguars. I was in

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Speaker 2: Nashville to see that one firsthand. Him and Tua Tounguea

930
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Speaker 2: Baia Looa are on really the precipice of their first

931
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Speaker 2: big contracts. Are they worthy of them? In your mind?

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Speaker 2: Big quarterback deals.

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Speaker 9: At this point, I'm not sure about either one. And

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Speaker 9: I'm going beyond the numbers here. When I look at

935
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Speaker 9: Joe Burrow, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, those quarterbacks

936
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Speaker 9: justin Herbert's in that category. Now you see them doing

937
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Speaker 9: things that really elevate their teams at certain points, and

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Speaker 9: I just have not seen.

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Speaker 7: That consistently from Trevor Lawrence or Tua.

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Speaker 9: And I like them both. Trevor Lawrence, especially when he

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Speaker 9: was coming out of college. I always felt like he

942
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Speaker 9: was a quarterback who played well when he had a

943
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Speaker 9: lot of great players around him, and now you're seeing

944
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Speaker 9: him go through some of that diversity and he's.

945
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Speaker 2: Just not I was right there. Yeah, yeah, I'll say this.

946
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Speaker 2: It's been hurt, banged up.

947
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Speaker 9: You know that got a half for the season, so

948
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Speaker 9: you want to give him pass and too face the

949
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Speaker 9: same kind of thing with his health. But I think

950
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Speaker 9: the worst thing that could happen to both these guys

951
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Speaker 9: is a guy named cj. Stroud Because now when you're

952
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Speaker 9: talking about giving out big money, if you're an owner,

953
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Speaker 9: you're looking at, well, these they're not Kim. It's not

954
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Speaker 9: like you're talking about Joe Burrow or Lamorrow or Patrick anymore.

955
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Speaker 9: It's like not even C Joe Stroud level. So I

956
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 9: do have some concerns about how they perform if they

957
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 9: deserve those kind of numbers.

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Speaker 5: So let's follow that up. Then what do you do

959
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Speaker 5: without them?

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, Like, do they get the big

961
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 3: the Joe Burrow contract? I don't know, but it's like, Okay,

962
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Speaker 3: if we were to kick them out of the door,

963
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 3: we could be in the same situation. Not a lot

964
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Speaker 3: of these other teams are who are just hoping to

965
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 3: find it. So is that Is that more of the

966
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 3: conundrum for a general manager approaching a decision like this

967
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 3: than anything else.

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Speaker 9: Well, look, I think we've got recent history to see

969
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 9: how it can go. And I'll give you names like

970
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 9: Jared Goff and Carson Wentz and Colin Kaepernick quarterbacks who

971
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 9: I think are in that same level that both these

972
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 9: guys are at where they you see some positives, you've

973
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 9: seen some improvement, you're seeing the way the team can

974
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 9: play around them. They're both obviously well liked within the franchises.

975
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Speaker 9: They're good people, but then you start paying them those

976
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 9: kinds of numbers, and if they don't perform, it can

977
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 9: have a huge negative effect on your franchise. You know,

978
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 9: say what you will about Josh Allen, and he's probably

979
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 9: the best example you can give him. A guy who

980
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 9: can frustrate you and make you exhilarate you at the

981
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 9: same time. But he's done it in the playoffs and

982
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 9: he's got that look in his eye when when when

983
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 9: the ice get big, and I just don't I haven't

984
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 9: seen that again from Tool or Trevor Lawrence, and those

985
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 9: limitations are should be a big factor in those negotiations.

986
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jeff, I look at Jacksonville, and this was supposed

987
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 2: to be a massive leap for Trevor Lawrence this season.

988
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 2: That's why I'm looking at that as well. It's year

989
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,399
Speaker 2: two and Doug Peterson's system. We were all giving him

990
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 2: just a mulligan for the year that he had with

991
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 2: Urban Meyer, but they thought there was gonna be a

992
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 2: big jump this year, and that just it's almost the

993
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 2: same year that he had a year prior when he

994
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 2: was the first year in the system. So I think

995
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 2: that's why people are sitting there going, well, what what's next?

996
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 2: And you see the moves that really are happening in

997
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 2: Jacksonville because that is the number one thing that they

998
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 2: need to focus on. Let's stick to the position. I'll

999
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 2: get to Harbor a minute. Maybe I'm putting them off

1000
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 2: for a reason, but let's stick with the quarterback spot

1001
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 2: and look at Joe Flacco. This was Steve's idea, and

1002
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Speaker 2: I think it's brilliant. If Joe Flacco makes a run

1003
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Speaker 2: for Cleveland in this postseason, does Kevin Stefanski Steve's pick

1004
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 2: for a Coach of the Year and a lot of people's,

1005
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 2: does he have the stones to say, Hey, Joe Flacco,

1006
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 2: you're coming back into this locker room, even though we

1007
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 2: have Deshaun Watson and we're gonna have you both in

1008
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 2: that quarterback room.

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Speaker 9: Ah, that's a tough one and.

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Speaker 6: Go through.

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Speaker 9: I was like Steve to ask Jeff this scenario. I

1012
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 9: personally would not do it. I know what you're getting at.

1013
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 9: But Joe Flacco being almost forty years old, you just

1014
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 9: don't know when the it's all going to fall apart

1015
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 9: for him, and it's been a fun It's me it's

1016
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Speaker 9: been the best store of the second half of the season.

1017
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 9: I imagine that he would have want to be looking

1018
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,760
Speaker 9: for an opportunity to play as a full time starter somewhere.

1019
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 9: So it's not just about the Browns, banking and brackets

1020
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 9: about what he would want for himself. But I just

1021
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 9: think you've invested in DeShawn Watson in some ways. You've

1022
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 9: probably given to Sean Watson another reason to go out

1023
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 9: and get better and come back and perform at a

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00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 9: higher level. But yeah, I just tell him, at forty

1025
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Speaker 9: years old, Uless, you're talking about Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady,

1026
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 9: I would not make that kind of investment.

1027
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, you think he has.

1028
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 2: A market elsewhere, Jeff, right now? Yeah, you're talking about

1029
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 2: Teven Nee Cordy.

1030
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Speaker 9: I think if you go start for some place next year,

1031
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 9: he's on lead based on what he's done.

1032
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 5: Well, at least you bring him in as reliable backup.

1033
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 3: But I tell you what, he is won of the

1034
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 3: hearts of the folks in Cleveland and that game against

1035
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 3: the Houston Texans. The storylines are awesome and he is

1036
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 3: leading that case. Jeff Todia, thanks so much. We're not

1037
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 3: gonna get to Jim Harball. We'll talk about him later,

1038
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 3: So JP, you are spared. Yeah, I'm going to promo

1039
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:54,760
Speaker 3: our show because we are back at the NFL Report.

1040
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 3: Remember that it is also a podcast you can get

1041
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 3: wherever you get your pods. But also if you're watching

1042
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,520
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1043
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 3: be Pluto and other free streaming apps. Again, wherever you

1044
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 3: get your podcast. The show comes off fantastic as a podcast.

1045
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 3: But on Thursday, we are loaded. We are gonna have Deebo, Samyard,

1046
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 3: we are gonna have Andre Reed, the Hall of Fame

1047
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Speaker 3: Wide Desceiver.

1048
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Speaker 5: We have so much coming up. We have some more guests.

1049
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,479
Speaker 3: We're not gonna tell you all of them, but JP,

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00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 3: we'll see you Thursday. We're back here at the end

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Speaker 3: that report.

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Speaker 2: Wild Card Week