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Speaker 1: You have been warned. Hello, Welcome.

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Speaker 2: My name is Jason Conceepcio, and welcome to x R

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Speaker 2: Vision The Crooked Podcast, where we dive deep into your

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Speaker 2: favorite shows, movies, comics, and pop culture. In today's episode,

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Speaker 2: in the previously on the latest from the WB Discovery saga,

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Speaker 1: She's hulking out, but only when she wants to hulk out.

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Speaker 2: War Warner Brothers Discovery News folks. First of all, the

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Speaker 2: CW has been sold next to our Media Group, the

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Speaker 1: Of impossibly beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Actors taking part in various stories many of them DC adaptations.

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Speaker 2: The CW has been co owned by Warner Brothers Discovery

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Speaker 1: Of your thoughts on this, Rosie, I.

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Speaker 3: Find this to be a very interesting choice. We've talked

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Speaker 2: Notably, last week, The Hollywood Reporter published a story talking

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Speaker 2: Dragons are coming to HBO Max. The new HBO original series,

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Speaker 4: All right, Dear Master. From my understanding, the dragons in

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Speaker 2: that he then legitimized, causing this huge, you know, friction

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Speaker 2: within the realm of multiple groups now vying for power.

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Speaker 2: And because he had given his bastard son the sword

434
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Speaker 2: of kings, a lot of people were like, oh, I

435
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Speaker 2: guess that guy should be. King Damon ended up dying

436
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Speaker 2: in one ninety six at the epic Battle of Red

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Speaker 2: grass Field, which basically ended the first Blackfire Rebellion. His

438
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Speaker 2: brother ag Or Bitter Steel Rivers, another bastard, took the sword,

439
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 2: fled to Esos, and founded the Golden Company, a famed

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Speaker 2: mercenary company which you will recall from later seasons of

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Speaker 2: Game of Thrones the sword was last known to be

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Speaker 2: in his possession, so maybe still in Esos somewhere. Dark

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Speaker 2: Sister was last in the possession of Brindan Rivers. Another

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Speaker 2: Targarian bastard, another bastard of egg On the fourth, this

445
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Speaker 2: one who stayed loyal to the crown, now Brendon, former

446
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Speaker 2: hand to the King, took the black and went with

447
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Speaker 2: our good friend Amon Targarian aka Master Amen to the wall,

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Speaker 2: and you might know Brindan River is better as the

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Speaker 2: Three Eyed Crow aka Blood Raven aka the guy that

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Speaker 2: brand Stark met under the tree and talked to question.

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Speaker 1: Did Brendan take the sword with him to the wall?

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Speaker 1: We don't know.

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Speaker 2: No one knows where it is, but there's a chance

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Speaker 2: other Valerian still weapons that maybe we'll see Lady Forlorn,

455
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Speaker 2: which is the sword of House Corbret from the Fingers

456
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Speaker 2: along the coast of the Veil. They call him the

457
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Speaker 2: Fingers because little peninsulas peninsulas that look like fingers.

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Speaker 1: Fun fact.

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Speaker 2: During the Battle of the Red Grass fieldwat Gawayne, Corbret

460
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Speaker 2: fought a famous duel against Damon Blackfire, so it was

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Speaker 2: Valerian's Sword against Valerian Sword House Horlaw of the Iron

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Speaker 2: Islands has nightfall. I think it's an off chance that

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Speaker 2: we see that one. And then, of course how Stark

464
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Speaker 2: has Ice, the great sword of Lord Stark's from time immemorial,

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Speaker 2: and that is a c of centuries away from being

466
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Speaker 2: melted down in the events of Game of Thrones.

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Speaker 4: Next up, Hi, Jason, very excited to hear you talk

468
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Speaker 4: about west Ros and maybe get to hear some updates

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Speaker 4: and some hot takes from his dar from Marine. My question,

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Speaker 4: do you think at any point we actually get to

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Speaker 4: see Eggon's conquest and a flashback or do you think

472
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Speaker 4: they want to do it as its own show or

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Speaker 4: season from Brandon.

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Speaker 1: Thank you Brandon, Brandon, Brandon the Builder. My guess is no.

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Speaker 2: I over the course of the series, does it happen

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Speaker 2: to we get a flashback?

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Speaker 1: Maybe?

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Speaker 2: I guess there's a chance. But to this point in

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Speaker 2: the books, Egon has been kind of a blank slate,

480
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,719
Speaker 2: we don't really know what drives him. We know more

481
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Speaker 2: at the more about the personalities of his sisters Visinya

482
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Speaker 2: and Rainey's than we do about egg On the Conqueror,

483
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Speaker 2: And I think that feels very purposeful, and it feels

484
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Speaker 2: like that mystery is not going to be revealed until

485
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Speaker 2: you know later things in the books that's just a guess.

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Speaker 4: Okay, And next seems like just yesterday I was reading

487
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Speaker 4: asked the Master calms every Wednesday at or episode of

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Speaker 4: Game of Thrones. My question after your tour of West

489
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Speaker 4: Rosa's pod, I started thinking about s Os and other

490
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Speaker 4: locations around the world. What new or old locations across

491
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Speaker 4: the Narrow Sea are you most excited to see in

492
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Speaker 4: the new show Banks from Max.

493
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Speaker 2: That across the Narrow Sea? You know, I think my

494
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Speaker 2: sense is we're not going to see too much across

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Speaker 2: the Narrow Sea. But I will tell you what old

496
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Speaker 2: location I'm excited could be on the table for us

497
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Speaker 2: in the House of the Dragon, and that is the

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Speaker 2: Castle of storms End. Folks who listen to Bnjabud will

499
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Speaker 2: know that I'm a big fan of castles, and I

500
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 2: am a big hater of weak castles. I hate a

501
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 2: weak castle. There's nothing worse than a fucking weak castle.

502
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 2: Castles made of wood, Like, why are we doing this

503
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 2: in this day and age? Anyway, here's a strong castle

504
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 2: storms End, the seat of the House Barathion, and before

505
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Speaker 2: them in the pre conquest year is the Durand and

506
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Speaker 2: storm Kings. It's maybe the strongest castle in West Ros.

507
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Speaker 2: People talk about the Eerie in the Veil as being

508
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 2: impregnable all the bitch Bron famously said, but that's primarily because.

509
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Speaker 1: It's just high, high, high, high.

510
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Speaker 2: Up in the mountains of the Moon, and nobody wants

511
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Speaker 2: to fucking go up there. Plus, the Iry is really

512
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Speaker 2: really small, and it's only inhabited during the summer because

513
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Speaker 2: you know, it's up there in the mountains. In wintertime

514
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 2: it just gets too cold. Storms End is huge. It's

515
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Speaker 2: right there in the mix on the continent itself, like

516
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Speaker 2: on the coast, where you know Dornish raiders are always

517
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Speaker 2: coming in, other invaders, earths coming.

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Speaker 1: From the sea.

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Speaker 2: Over the years, lots of folks have made war in

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Speaker 2: the storm Lands, but usually people just avoid laying siege

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Speaker 2: to storms End because it is such a major fucking

522
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Speaker 2: pain in the ass. It has this it's dominated by

523
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Speaker 2: this huge drum tower that rises from the center of

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Speaker 2: the castle, which it must be extremely striking. We've never

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Speaker 2: seen it in Game of Thrones, and I would love

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Speaker 2: to see that during Robert's rebellion up Stanis Barrathian, famed

527
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Speaker 2: fun guy status. Barrathian held the castle for a year

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Speaker 2: against the power of the Reach and others with only

529
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Speaker 2: like a skeleton crew of soldiers and no food, like

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Speaker 2: they were eating fucking rats in there, until Davo Seaworth

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Speaker 2: smuggled in a bunch of supplies and shouts to him.

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Speaker 2: Legend says that much like the Wall in the North,

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Speaker 2: that the curtain wall of storms End was built woven

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Speaker 2: with spells and stuff that keep it protected. We again,

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Speaker 2: we never got to see it in Game of Thrones.

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Speaker 2: I'm hoping we get to see it here in House

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Speaker 2: of the Dragon. Fun fact. In the books, some news

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Speaker 2: from storms End in the books. In Dance of the Dragons,

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Speaker 2: last we heard of storms End a young a young

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Speaker 2: man from Essos named Agon Targarran who is either an

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Speaker 2: actual Targarian right or a pretender fake in it. Fagon

542
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Speaker 2: as the fans call him, was last known to be

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Speaker 2: moving on Storm's End after taking the Castle of Griffin's Roost,

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Speaker 2: also on the storm winds. So did they take it?

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Speaker 2: Were they successful? Find out when Winds of Winter drops?

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Speaker 2: Hopefully soon, folks, this has been really fun. Stay tuned

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Speaker 2: for more Ask the Master, and don't miss the new

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Speaker 2: HBO original series House of the Dragon, premiering this Sunday.

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Speaker 2: This Sunday, August twenty first on HBO Max. Want to

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Speaker 2: ask us questions? Send the questions to ask Theeacer at

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Speaker 2: gmail dot com. Up next, the Airlock, Folks, with less

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Speaker 1: In the lead up to this year's mid terms.

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Speaker 2: Folks were stepping out of the airlock and into the

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Speaker 2: courthouse to discuss the latest MCU show.

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Speaker 1: She Hulk Turn Along Rosie.

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Speaker 5: The show is fun, It's so good, it's so fantastic

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Speaker 5: and just like silly and do you know what they're

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Speaker 5: on a streak of It feels really different to anything

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Speaker 5: we've had in the MCU. This actually again does this

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Speaker 5: is like a relatable, funny calm show that really.

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Speaker 3: Leans into those legal roots. Those comparisons to ali mcbeil

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Speaker 3: were not wrong. And if you don't know who Aliu

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Speaker 3: mcbeil is, then google it because well, but like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's it's it's fun. It's so fun.

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Speaker 2: A director by kat Koiro, written by Jessica Goo.

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Speaker 1: Here is our recap.

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Speaker 2: We open in Los Angeles. We opened on Jennifer Walters

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Speaker 2: immediately breaking the fourth wall. She's staring at us. She's

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Speaker 2: the cousin of famed gamma radiation expert and vega Bruce Banner,

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Speaker 2: and she is practicing her closing argument for an upcoming case.

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Speaker 2: The argument is about stop me if you heard this before, Rosie.

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Speaker 2: It's about the balance between power and responsibility. Jen says, quote,

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Speaker 2: those were the most power of the most to answer

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Speaker 2: for her colleague Nikki Ramos, a part legal is her

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Speaker 2: a major supporter at work. Her fellow lawyer Dennis.

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00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: Is like, I'm a man, so you should let me

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Speaker 1: close out the case. Shut up, Dennis.

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Speaker 3: I just I love like his name's Dennis Pikowski, and

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00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 3: I feel like Fanny. Women who watched who are watching this,

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Speaker 3: who've had to listen to men talk about how much

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Speaker 3: they love Charles Bakowski. There's just it's so good. It's

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Speaker 3: just it works, and it's big shop Dennis energy.

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Speaker 1: This episode big big time. Shut up Dennis Energy.

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00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 2: Jen and Nicky head to the courtroom, and NICKI quite

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Speaker 2: you know in a in a in a quick private moment, suggests, hey, listen,

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Speaker 2: if we don't get our judgment, maybe you should just

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Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 1: Hulk out.

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Speaker 2: And that's right, folks. This is how we learn that

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Speaker 2: Jennifer Walters is a hulk. And the fourth wall shatters

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Speaker 2: and Jen tells us how she became a hulk. And

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Speaker 2: here is where we should pause for a moment, Rosie

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Speaker 2: and play that play that extra vision was right sound again,

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Speaker 2: because we were right once again. We were right once again.

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Speaker 2: Some months previous, Jen was taking a wonderful road ship

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Speaker 2: with her cousin Bruce uh. And here is where we

609
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,720
Speaker 2: were right. Bruce's endgame arm injury, which he suffered, of course,

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00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 2: while snapping his fingers with the nano infinity glove on

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00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 2: his hand has almost fully healed, and he's created a

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Speaker 2: device which now wears on his wrist and inhibitor which

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Speaker 2: keeps him from transforming into the hull can reckon shit.

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Speaker 2: Conversation then turns to whether Steve Rogers ever got it in?

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Speaker 1: Did he ever get it in? Folks? What do we think?

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Speaker 2: Wasn't he too busy to fuck? Wasn't there too much

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Speaker 2: going on? He was going from crisis to crisis to crisis, Rosie,

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Speaker 2: before we reveal what the episode actually reveals, before this

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Speaker 2: were what was your opinion on whether Steve Rogers cherry

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Speaker 2: was intact or popped?

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Speaker 3: So this is your first hint to me of something

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Speaker 3: that we will that you will see going through this season.

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Speaker 3: This is a show that knows what the fans are

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Speaker 3: in conversation about, because this is a question I personally

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Speaker 3: am of the belief. Look, I'm a Stucky shipper. I

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Speaker 3: believe step and Bucky were in love. I believe they've

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Speaker 3: probably found a time to share some romantic time. I'm

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Speaker 3: not one to comment on the nature of virginity, a

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Speaker 3: made up thing that somebody just said happens when you

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Speaker 3: have sex, But look I was very impressed to see

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Speaker 3: Sheehlck turn what we've seen in the MC on its head,

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Speaker 3: which is a lot of conversations about this stuff about

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Speaker 3: the nature of relationships, about people's sex lives, about their

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Speaker 3: potential to have kids, to settle down that has been

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Speaker 3: focused on women and very specifically black widow. So it

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Speaker 3: was kind of great to see them not only pull

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Speaker 3: this fan conversation out there and show that she Holck

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Speaker 3: is in a space where if these characters were real,

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Speaker 3: people would still be shipping them and still be having

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Speaker 3: these conversations, would still be theorizing what do you think

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Speaker 3: you think? Busy?

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00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 2: Well, listen, we went very deep on this back in

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Speaker 2: my Bingebow days with Malory Rubin, and we both were

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Speaker 2: of the opinion that absolutely Steve Rogers fuck. And here's

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Speaker 2: my philosophy, Number one, I get it. Steve was very,

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Speaker 2: very busy. Everybody was busy. It was a time of crisis.

647
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 2: It was World War Two, and then all of a

648
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 2: sudden it was you know, the invasion of New York,

649
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden it was the Civil War,

650
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden Shield is hired. A

651
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 2: lot of shit going on of course, who has the time.

652
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 2: Let me say this, we are here the human race,

653
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 2: for better or worse, because we found time to fuck

654
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 2: in caves outside with lions running around anywhere we could.

655
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 2: That's why we're here. And I think Steve found the

656
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 2: time and that's going to be confirmed later on a stinger.

657
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,439
Speaker 2: We'll talk about it again when we get there. Back

658
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 2: to our story, Bruce, of course, it doesn't want to

659
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 2: necessarily talk about his you know, conversation with Cap. That's

660
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 2: protected Avengers stuff. You know, what's what? What is said

661
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 2: in the Avenger's mansion doesn't stays in the Avengers.

662
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 1: When suddenly.

663
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 2: A Sakarian spaceship appears on the highway, what causing Jen

664
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 2: to lose control of the car.

665
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: The car crashes.

666
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 2: Jen slashes her arm escaping the wreck, and in the

667
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 2: midst of pulling Bruce free of this wreck, some gamma

668
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 2: radiated blood gets into her wound and you know what

669
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 2: happens next.

670
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:41,919
Speaker 1: Rosie, what do we think this Sakarian spacecraft means? So fast?

671
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 3: Of all, this is a big deal, This is very cool.

672
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 3: This is a big change from Gen's comic book origin. Yep, big,

673
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 3: But what actually pays homage to so in Jen's comic

674
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,720
Speaker 3: book Origin is literally like happens over a couple of pages.

675
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 3: She's a lawyer, she gets shot by the mob. Bruce

676
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 3: decides he's gonna do it. Blood transfusions save her life.

677
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 3: Lo and behold she becomes the Hulk. That wouldn't necessarily

678
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 3: make sense for mc us Bruce, because why would he

679
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 3: want her to go through this terrible thing that he's

680
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 3: gone through. But what is very similar about this origin

681
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 3: is they just get right to it. They're like, five

682
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 3: minutes in you found out this is happening. She's she Hawks,

683
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 3: so they kept that spirit alive. Now, why is there

684
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 3: a Sakarian ship? It's very smart to use this just

685
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 3: Sakarian ship because this circular ship looks very similar to

686
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:29,439
Speaker 3: the one from Thor Ragnarok, which we saw Bruce, Thor

687
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 3: and Valkyrie escape from, which I believe was the grand

688
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 3: Master's like sex ship. So so immediately people are going

689
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 3: to be like, oh, I think I readze that sex

690
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 3: ship right like they have like there's like like sexy musically.

691
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 3: So I think this is very clear to me. And

692
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 3: this is a huge theory. But you can chalk this

693
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 3: one down in the X Ray Oracle because I think

694
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 3: we're going to be right about this one. Okay, why

695
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,919
Speaker 3: would a Sakarian ship appear like that in front?

696
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: It's not for Johy Rusie.

697
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,959
Speaker 3: Why so in the comics, those good old Marvel comic

698
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 3: books that we love so much, while Hulk was on Sakar,

699
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 3: the planet we saw him on in the fighting arenas

700
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 3: in Thoragnarok. In the comics, he was there during Planet Hulk,

701
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 3: and he sired a child that he didn't know about,

702
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 3: and after he left the planet, the child was born.

703
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 3: The child's name was Scar skaa R and he was

704
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 3: incredibly powerful. He grew very fast. He was actually born

705
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 3: in a cocoon and then and became an adult within

706
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 3: a couple of years, a teen within a year, and

707
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 3: he was very angry at his father. I believe if

708
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 3: you think of the timeline that we have since the blip,

709
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 3: this is at least five or six years since Hulk

710
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 3: was on Car, if not as far as seven or eight.

711
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 3: But the timeline's a bit a bit jiggerly. I think

712
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 3: that ship is telling Bruce that he has a son

713
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 3: on Sacar and they need him to go back because

714
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 3: his son is probably fucking shit because he's crazy, And

715
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 3: the big question here is going to be are they

716
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 3: going to do something really funny where Scar is already

717
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 3: an adult when he gets there, or is this going

718
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 3: to continue the tradition we've seen with Thor Love and Thunder,

719
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 3: with Hawkeye as a character. You know, with Tony, most

720
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 3: of the Avengers have kids at this point, the Corps Avengers.

721
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 3: This would add Holp to that. So maybe in this

722
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 3: version Scar will be a teenager, which would be easy

723
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 3: to put him into a young Avengers or some kind

724
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 3: of team. So yeah, the Sacarian Ship, I would almost

725
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 3: guarantee that we will at least get a post seasoned

726
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 3: stinger hinting that Bruce has a son.

727
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, the events of Thor Ragnara,

728
00:41:55,360 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 2: we're pretty much Planet Hulk the uh the a really

729
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 2: incredible Hulk event that in many ways set the tone

730
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 2: for like who the Hulk is right now in Marvel

731
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 2: comics and is just one of the great recent semi

732
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 2: recent Marvel comic events that event leads directly into World

733
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 2: War Hulk. Does this make in which it's the World

734
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 2: War Hulk? Is the Hulk the matter than he has

735
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 2: ever been, ever, ever, ever before comes back to Earth?

736
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 2: After all the stuff that went down in the car

737
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,240
Speaker 2: because he was on the car by the way, because

738
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 2: his supposed friends had exiled him because he.

739
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: Was causing.

740
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 3: Seeing that in an you've seen that.

741
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 2: And when he comes back, he is so mad that

742
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 2: he fights everybody, every hero and wins. Does this make

743
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 2: a World War Hulk event more or less likely to you?

744
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 3: I think it makes it very light. So Thor Ragnarok

745
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 3: was in all but name, a Planet Hawk movie. It

746
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 3: came out of the events of Hulk being kicked off

747
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 3: the planet by people that he trusted. It led to

748
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 3: him landing on to car and becoming a famed fighter,

749
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 3: and it looks like it will lead to him having

750
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 3: a son. Now, Scar was introduced in World War Hulk five,

751
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 3: I believe issue five. So I think this is a

752
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 3: very reasonable guest, and I just want to shout out,

753
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 3: like World War I mean Planet Hulk, that is probably

754
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 3: the definitive Hulk story of all time, aside from like

755
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 3: you know, his origin. But even then people aren't like,

756
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 3: oh yeah, don't forget about Rick Jones who ran in front,

757
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 3: like what Planet Hawk is the story. It's one of

758
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 3: the very successful Marvel animated movies, and it is just

759
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 3: really radical. Rumor has it The reason that Marvel would

760
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 3: not have just been able to make a Planet Hulk

761
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 3: movie under that name is that the deal that they

762
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 3: have with Universal is they cannot make it. They cannot

763
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 3: make a named Hulk movie. So I think if Well

764
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 3: War Hulk happens, you know, just like this is based

765
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 3: on Greg Pak, Carlo Pajugien, and Aaron the Presty's amazing

766
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 3: comic book series, I think we would see we could

767
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 3: see wild War Hulk, especially post Shee Hulk, where it

768
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 3: looks first of all, second Holk. We've got Shee Hulk,

769
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 3: she exists. Now we've got we know from the trailers

770
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 3: that abomination is going to be in this show. Who

771
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 3: he's already in. He's already in shang Chi, but we

772
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 3: know from the trailers is going to be part of

773
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 3: this show. So we're already introducing what we would call

774
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 3: the Hulk family. So the question is if Scar really

775
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 3: is there and he's rebuilding Sakar like he is in

776
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 3: the comics, and he's pissed at his dad or or

777
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 3: maybe he wants to come and hunt down his dad

778
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 3: or whatever, we could end up in a situation where

779
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 3: then we would have four Hulk adjacent characters. And you know,

780
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 3: I've been thinking about this a lot recently. Shea Hulk

781
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 3: seems like a place where you could introduce more folks

782
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 3: or re introduce them, you know. Having Tim Roth come

783
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 3: back from that first Incredible Hulk movie, which many people forget,

784
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 3: is like, that's the phase one of the MCU that

785
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 3: makes it seem to me like they're not afraid to

786
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 3: go back to that space that wasn't necessarily as loved

787
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 3: at the time that it came out against Iron Man.

788
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 3: So I wouldn't be surprised, you know. I'd like to

789
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 3: see liv Tyler come back, maybe as a red she Hulk.

790
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 3: You know, that's a really massive part of this kind

791
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 3: of Hulk family, the Incredible Hulks arc She's the antagonist

792
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 3: and you have all these different Hulks. So I think

793
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 3: a version of World War Hulk. I don't know if

794
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 3: our Bruce Banner would be the one to incite it,

795
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 3: because he is very much in a great headspace, but

796
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 3: maybe Scar is the one, and then Bruce has to

797
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 3: bring in these other.

798
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: Hulks to help.

799
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 2: I love I love the idea that World War Hook

800
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 2: would be Scar being super pissed, like, daddy, where the

801
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 2: fuck have you been?

802
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: Exactly?

803
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 2: So Jen hulks out, and when she wakes up, it's

804
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 2: dark and she's somewhere by the side of the highway.

805
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 2: She goes to a nearby bar where some really wonderful

806
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 2: ladies are.

807
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: Like, what happened? How don't let him treat you like this?

808
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 2: And they give her some fresh coat of makeup and

809
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 2: a little tease up with the hair, and they give

810
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 2: her some new shoes, and Jenna's like, you laters are great,

811
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 2: but I'm fine.

812
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: I just need to call my cousin Bruce.

813
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 2: She steps outside to make a call, and of course

814
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 2: some meatheads step up to her and it's like that

815
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 2: you know bar scene in Terminator Too. She hooks out

816
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,919
Speaker 2: and she just fucking crash tests dummies, these fucking dudes.

817
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 2: When she wakes up again, she's in a nice, wonderful

818
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 2: wood paneled bedroom, which we find out is in a

819
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 2: beachside cabin, wonderful spread. There's Ultron's original Stark Tech helmet

820
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:54,720
Speaker 2: there as decoration. This we find out is Bruce's secret

821
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 2: lab somewhere on the coast of Mexico, And of course

822
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 2: Bruce has done a lot of in Mexico and Latin

823
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:06,479
Speaker 2: America in general since the days of Marvels the Incredible Hulk,

824
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 2: and he's really done a lot of great stuff with

825
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,879
Speaker 2: this spot. Jen finds Bruce in Smart Hulk form down

826
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 2: in his lab, which is like a combination of like

827
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 2: Stark Lab meets the Danger Room from the X Men.

828
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 2: Tony built the lab with his own funds, and apparently,

829
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:30,240
Speaker 2: and here is one of those wonderful nods to various

830
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 2: conversations fans have been having over the years, has always

831
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 2: threatened to like seize it back from Bruce.

832
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 1: Tony a billionaire, if not.

833
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 2: Trillionaire, and just a famously cheap individual no matter how

834
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 2: rich he was.

835
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 3: I love this as well, because, like it leans so

836
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 3: much into that, you know, the conversation that famously broke

837
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 3: my brain during Falcon in the Winter Soldier, which was

838
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 3: the notion that nobody was getting paid and that Falcon

839
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,959
Speaker 3: wasn't only not getting paid by Tony, but he also

840
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 3: wasn't getting paid by the government for all the black

841
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 3: opsmissions he was doing. So I kind of love this

842
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 3: idea that Tony like kept people sweet by just like

843
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,439
Speaker 3: building them something nice or giving them like a suit,

844
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 3: but he wouldn't give them like a salary. And also

845
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 3: if he was pissed off, he'd be like, eh, I don't.

846
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 2: Know if you're gone that the lab is it's probably

847
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 2: the best version of all that stuff because absolutely powered,

848
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 2: powered by arc reactor tech like free electricity. It's high tech,

849
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 2: completely powered. It's not like on Tony's various properties.

850
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: You know, you'd always like he has weird compound where

851
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: you have to wonder if you're gonna see Tony.

852
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 2: Like in his fucking bathrobe, catch him and like him

853
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:50,720
Speaker 2: pots like yeah, this is like this is Bruce's own spot,

854
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 2: which is which is awesome.

855
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 3: I will say, like this is another thing, Like we

856
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 3: talk a lot about this notion of the fans and

857
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 3: the conversations they're having, the way this show is very

858
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 3: much made by fans. I mean, Zig worked on this show,

859
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 3: our fellow lovely co host in general, and like this

860
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 3: is in conversation with the fans. Something that I love

861
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 3: about this is like it it is really funny. But

862
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 3: those things that you mention this actually tells us so

863
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 3: much about Bruce and Toni's relationship one of the most

864
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 3: popular MCU ships. But like it tells us so much

865
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 3: like this was a space that Tony made for Bruce

866
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 3: so Bruce could live a good life, whether he needed

867
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 3: to hide, whether he needed to work out how to

868
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 3: become Professor Holk. This was actually a rare selfless thing

869
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 3: that Tony did. It wasn't really done for the Avengers.

870
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 3: It was done for his friend. And not only that

871
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 3: they spent time together there.

872
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 2: Tony a notably arrogant guy, and one of the really

873
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 2: wonderful things about the Bruce and Toni relationship is like

874
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 2: they this was a person who Tony felt was on

875
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 2: his intellectual level, and that was a really big deal

876
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 2: to Tony. There are not a lot of people in

877
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 2: the MCU who Tony could just like cut loose scientifically with,

878
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 2: and Bruce was absolutely one of them. And in fact,

879
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 2: Bruce's work.

880
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: On gamma is is.

881
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 2: Some is one of those rare things that is beyond

882
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 2: Tony's actual scope. Back to our sorry Bruce, lets Jen

883
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 2: know that he spoke to her parents, they know that

884
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 2: she is safe, and we find out from Bruce that

885
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 2: this is where he spent the post blip years, you know,

886
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 2: working to kind of knit together his personality with the

887
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 2: Hulk's personality and the Hulk's physical form. And this is

888
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 2: where Bruce says, Yeah, that spaceship that was a car

889
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,439
Speaker 2: that was from the Planet's a car there, he says,

890
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 2: quote probably trying to deliver a message.

891
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, yeah, we think.

892
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 2: But first, of course, before Bruce unpacks whatever is going

893
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 2: on as a car, we got to figure out what's

894
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 2: going on with Jen. So what's happening with Jen is,

895
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 2: like Bruce, she has unique genetics which allows her to

896
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 2: synthesize gamma radiation instead of, you know, like dying like

897
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:09,280
Speaker 2: everyone else would. Jen's blood is in fact quite useful

898
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 2: Bruce Bruce, and this is very very quietly a big deal.

899
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 1: Bruce says that he used Jen's blood to fully heal

900
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: his injured arm, which is why he can be smart Hulk. Again.

901
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: This feels.

902
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 2: Like it's going to come back time and time and

903
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 2: time again, as as the years roll by.

904
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: In the MCU, there's gonna be more about.

905
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 3: It has to be, especially because they play it really casual,

906
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 3: so he sees it like it's this big moment and

907
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 3: then she's like, so that means I'm bad than you.

908
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 3: But but it feels huge because this is something that

909
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 3: without Jen becoming Sheethulk Bruce would never have been able

910
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 3: to do. He doesn't need to use the the thing

911
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 3: to control himself. He's back being Professor Hull, something that

912
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 3: we hadn't seen or as they call him in the

913
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 3: MCU Smarthulk. I agree. It's it's big.

914
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 1: It's it's big, big, big folks Bruce.

915
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 2: Then he's talking about the blood and we see the

916
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:20,280
Speaker 2: vials of Gen's blood in this holding uh, this holding device,

917
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 2: and Bruce uses lasers to destroy all the blood samples.

918
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 2: He says he cannot risk this blood getting out of

919
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 2: the world, creating more problems, potentially more Gama powered folks

920
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 2: like Emil Blonski and of course Sam Stearn's aka the Leader,

921
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 2: who we have not seen since the end of the

922
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 2: Incredible Hulk movie.

923
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: And Rosie, I think we both agree that we could

924
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 1: see him. It feels it's feeling like.

925
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 2: The way Bruce just ostentatiously destroyed all the blood lets,

926
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 2: you know that blood is gonna get out.

927
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 3: Not only he's not a bad way too, but yeah,

928
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,760
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, this is some like real Jurassic Park logic.

929
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 3: Care because I've watching Holly Quin. They have a great

930
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 3: bit about Jassic Park and I think a lot of

931
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 3: park but I'm like, he's I feel like he smashed

932
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 3: that stuff so recklessly. I'm like a Mesquio could have

933
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 3: drunk some of that, but that got spilled out going

934
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 3: and buying some people in time in them INNTO Hawks like,

935
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 3: it's too reckless for reckless to not become a problem.

936
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:19,240
Speaker 1: And of course The Leader.

937
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,399
Speaker 2: We've been waiting since the end of the Incredible Hulk

938
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 2: movie to find out what's going on with Sam Stearns,

939
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 2: who had a gamma irradiated blood drip on his forehead,

940
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 2: causing his brain to swell to Hulk like sizes, creating

941
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 2: the super brilliant super villain The Leader. And of course

942
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 2: we have not heard from him since. We'll see if

943
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 2: that continues. Jen is like, Okay, we talked about my blood.

944
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 2: We've talked about what's going on with me. Just fix

945
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,720
Speaker 2: me so I can leave, Give me the inhibited advice

946
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 2: that you have or whatever, and let me get out here.

947
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 1: Bruce is like, listen, you don't get it.

948
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 2: I've been dealing with this for literally early years, for

949
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 2: over a decade of meditation of various drugs of you know, psychotherapy,

950
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 2: just trying to deal with the fact that I'm a hulk.

951
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 2: You're a hulk now, and you're gonna have to You're

952
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 2: gonna have.

953
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:18,320
Speaker 1: To take this seriously. So over some pancakes.

954
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 2: Bruce preaches the gospel of isolation and self control. That

955
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 2: means no more stressful stuff like being a lawyer. That

956
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:30,280
Speaker 2: means hang out with me in the jungle for several years,

957
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 2: meditate all the time. Maybe you know, like get slapped

958
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 2: by a jiu jitsu master like I had to do

959
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 2: down in Brazil. Maybe doing a breathing exercises as you're

960
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:44,919
Speaker 2: getting slapped in the face by this jiu jitsu master.

961
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: Jenna's like, that fucking sucks. I don't want to do that.

962
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 2: Uh. And then Bruce is like, oh yeah, what look

963
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 2: at this, and he slaps a huge binder of Hulk

964
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 2: teachings on the table and she's like, well, how long

965
00:54:58,000 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 2: is this.

966
00:54:58,239 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 1: Gonna take it. He's like, I don't know.

967
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 2: I've crunched numbers and I'm thinking, like fifteen years to

968
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 2: get your book stuff out her.

969
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 3: Control, dude, just like, no, what tells us like it's

970
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 3: actually really small narrative storytelling. It's not in the nature

971
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 3: that it's just hilarious and fun, but also like it

972
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 3: tells us without expositioning it or having like some deep

973
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 3: and meaningful chat, Bruce cares about Jen so much like

974
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 3: this is his family. He's out there, he's making binders,

975
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 3: he's planning to just he's like Avengers, never heard of him.

976
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 3: I'm just here with you. Next fifteen years it's happening.

977
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 3: And the funniest shit is like Jen, just as we

978
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 3: will come to find out, just not in that place.

979
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 2: It doesn't, it doesn't. Well, it's two things are going

980
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 2: on right. One she truly is kind of naive to

981
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 2: the implications.

982
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 1: And two.

983
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 2: She is an active human being with a job she

984
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 2: does want to hang up the next fifty years.

985
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 1: Okay, So.

986
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 2: They go down to the lab and in the lab

987
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:06,800
Speaker 2: they run some danger room style exercises involving circular saws

988
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:12,399
Speaker 2: to figure out like Jen's transformational triggers, and she transforms,

989
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 2: and we discover right away, surprise, surprise, surprise, and very

990
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:19,879
Speaker 2: surprising to Bruce that Jen maintains her personality in hulk form.

991
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 2: No fractured psychees, no alter ego, no voices in the head,

992
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 2: no need for this fifteen year journey, and Bruce is

993
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 2: clearly jealous, like je Jelly.

994
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it's very jelly.

995
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 2: It took him again, like many years to get to

996
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 2: the smart Hulk phase with Jen just skipped to Smart

997
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 2: Hulk immediately just smart home.

998
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,800
Speaker 3: Well, and that's just like the comics basically, like just

999
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 3: jenn has had a Savage phase, which was an original phase,

1000
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 3: but then by the time she's sensational, she's just casually with.

1001
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 2: It and it's very close and in recent Avengers' stories

1002
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:58,800
Speaker 2: has kind of gone into a return to Savage.

1003
00:56:58,840 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: She holped.

1004
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, for the most part, for the vast majority

1005
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 2: of her comics history, she's been the personality of Jennifer

1006
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 2: Walter was just in a near seven foot towering physical frame.

1007
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 1: Okay, so there's still work to do though. We got

1008
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 1: to figure out, like what the.

1009
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 2: Transformation is about Jen. Notably, even though she has maintained

1010
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 2: her personality while and she hoped for him, she can't

1011
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 2: go back.

1012
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 1: She can't like consciously transform back into Jen. So how

1013
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: do we do this?

1014
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 2: And Bruce is like, well, I had various techniques. One

1015
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 2: of them was Natasha would sing to lullabies to.

1016
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: Me, just honestly, so funny, you know.

1017
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 2: Other times I would just kind of pass out, and

1018
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 2: Jen is not taking this seriously again.

1019
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 1: But Bruce, you know, he carries.

1020
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 2: This massive burden of being seen as a monster by

1021
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 2: basically the whole world because he destroyed Harlem, destroyed large

1022
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 2: portions Johannesburg and Asia, Ultron other things of that nature,

1023
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 2: and he doesn't want Jen to experience that. And he's

1024
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 2: very persuasive when he talks about, you know, how traumatized

1025
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 2: he is by those events. And so Jen agrees, Okay,

1026
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 2: train me how to be a hulk. So there's a

1027
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 2: lot of mindfulness and psychotherapy stuff being presented to Jen,

1028
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 2: but she's not super ready for that. So they're like, okay,

1029
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 2: we'll skip this. Let's we'll do this tomorrow morning. Bruce

1030
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 2: sneaks into Jen's bedroom, she is transformed back into Gen.

1031
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 2: He wakes her up by firing an airhorn interfere But

1032
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 2: this is an important discovery as well as being really

1033
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 2: really funny. When she turns into Chiolk and destroys the bed,

1034
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 2: we discover that, just like Bruce, if you slip into

1035
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 2: unconsciousness in hulk form, when you wake up, you're back

1036
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 2: in human form. So more mindfulness, some tai chi, we

1037
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 2: do some Hulk Wardrobe one oh one, where you learn

1038
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 2: the importance of stretchy.

1039
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 1: Clothes, clothing.

1040
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 2: We throw some boulders, we do some hulk jumping, we

1041
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 2: do some balancing, We destroy a couple of cliffs. There's

1042
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 2: more then the upside we learn about being a hulk.

1043
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 2: Hulks can drink forever, and they never get drunk. They

1044
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 2: get buzzed, but they never get drunk. So over countless

1045
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 2: drinks at the bar that Tony and Bruce built together, awe.

1046
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 3: And they even have a little love hop with tea

1047
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 3: and a b in it.

1048
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 2: Jen and Bruce blow off a bunch of steam and

1049
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 2: they just the next day we learned that while they

1050
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 2: don't get drunk, hulks actually do experience hangovers, at least

1051
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 2: in human form. And Jen hungover, kind of annoyed at

1052
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 2: all the hulk training. She's thrown the boulder, she's jumped around,

1053
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 2: We've done all that stuff. She's like, okay, I can

1054
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 2: go home now, right, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna leave.

1055
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 2: Bruce is like, listen, you're not ready, and Jen is like, actually,

1056
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 2: I'm ready. And Jen is both right and wrong. She's

1057
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 2: still you know she's right that you know just let

1058
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 2: her leave. But also, Jen, you do need to take

1059
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 2: seriously the fact that you can level like an entire

1060
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 2: city block if you want to.

1061
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 3: And from what we saw, much to Bruce's chagrin, you

1062
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 3: know she is equally as powerful already as Bruce, if

1063
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 3: not slightly more powerful. So this is you really do

1064
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 3: need to take your responsibility because you are throwing the

1065
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 3: rocks further. You are Hulk smashing harder.

1066
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 1: Well, Hulk did throw they threw.

1067
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 2: I will say that it seems like they're signaling that

1068
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 2: Hulk is still strongest because when they throw the rocks,

1069
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 2: but then he was like gets his back up because

1070
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 2: his cousin is doing better than him. And it's also

1071
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 2: immediately the smarter Hulk like out of the gate. Uh,

1072
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 2: And so he throws that one boulder that goes like

1073
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 2: into fucking space like you see, and it goes like

1074
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 2: it goes like tomorrow and shit.

1075
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. I would say she's

1076
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 3: she's encroaching on his strength, worrying speed for Bruce.

1077
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 2: She's certainly much more agile than Bruce is at this

1078
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 2: particular time. Anyway, through this, they have an argument about

1079
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 2: being able to control one's anger, and then Jen makes

1080
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 2: a really great point that listen, I've been controlling my

1081
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 2: anger because I'm a woman in the world. I've been

1082
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 2: doing that my whole life. I've been doing it much

1083
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 2: more successfully and for longer than you have. And through

1084
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 2: this conversation we discovered that Jen can now transform it will,

1085
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 2: so this is a big deal. Jen leaves, insisting that

1086
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 2: she's not going to be a superhero, which Bruce doesn't

1087
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 2: quite believe, but he's like, whatever, go with God. Jen says, Listen,

1088
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 2: why be a superhero when I can just do my job,

1089
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 2: which is be a lawyer, which is help people in

1090
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 2: the context of just being a normal, everyday person. Bruce

1091
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 2: probably fairly points out that it's not healthy for Jen

1092
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 2: to just deny that she's a Hulk. They have a

1093
01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 2: big fight which ends up just throwing the bar, which

1094
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 2: Jen feels badly about. She helps him fix it, and

1095
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 2: then the next day she leaves to return to her

1096
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 2: life as a lawyer. Back to the present, Jen hasn't

1097
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 2: turned into she Hulk since those days back in Mexico.

1098
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 2: Months back. Only her family and Niki shows you how

1099
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 2: close Nicki is to her know about Jen's jolly green secret.

1100
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 2: She says I was right and Brust was wrong, and

1101
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 2: I never need to be a hulk. Okay, show over, right, Rosie.

1102
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: That's it and the she Oak program and that's it.

1103
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 2: That's all, folks, though absolutely wrong. In the courtroom, closing

1104
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 2: arguments have taken place. The case is some kind of

1105
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 2: corporate thing in which some kind of corporate exec caused

1106
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 2: multiple deaths. But before we can really get to the

1107
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 2: bottom of that, Jen is about to make her closing argument.

1108
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 2: The supervillion Titanya comes blasting through the wall and Nicki

1109
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 2: is like, Jen, this is it.

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Speaker 1: You gotta do it.

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01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 2: Give me a slip off the shoes. You don't want

1112
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 2: to destroy the shoes, give me your jacket. But now's

1113
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 2: the time transformed shee Hook and Jen transforms into Sheehook

1114
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 2: and the fight is super brief because Jen is strong

1115
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 2: as fuck. She punches to ted Ya one time, into

1116
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 2: a wall and into a deep sleep and that's it.

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01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 1: Show over.

1118
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 2: But we go to our stinger and folks, I'm gonna

1119
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 2: take a small victory lap here.

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Speaker 1: We know all about X ray vision is right.

1121
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 2: This is a take I had from before the x

1122
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 2: ray Vision days, from back in the bingemod days, we

1123
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 2: go back to the bar in Mexico, Jen pretending to

1124
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 2: be drunk, gets Bruce to admit how Steve lost his virginity,

1125
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 2: and folks, it is the exact way that I said

1126
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 2: Steve lost his virginity in binge mode when we were

1127
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 2: talking about Captain America the Winter Soldier.

1128
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Speaker 1: My theory was that.

1129
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 2: Listen, Steve had people throwing it at him, men and women,

1130
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 2: and when he was on tour in nineteen forty three,

1131
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 2: selling fucking bonds and promoting promoting the war, it just

1132
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 2: it just stands to reason that at some point in time.

1133
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 1: He got it in.

1134
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 2: It just would happen because people were coming at him left,

1135
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 2: right and center, and at some point it would have happened.

1136
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 2: And in the stinger of the first episode of She Hulk,

1137
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 2: Bruce admits that Steve lost is Shirley on that very

1138
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 2: nineteen forty three us. So to our folks, we called

1139
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 2: it and that is why you listen to this program,

1140
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 2: because you're going to get that kind of analysis from

1141
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 2: Rosie Knight and yours truly, folks.

1142
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Speaker 1: She Hulk.

1143
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 2: That was fun and I can't wait to talk about

1144
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 2: this show because you're getting a lot of stuff there

1145
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 2: is actually right, there's not just the connection to our

1146
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 2: legacy Avengers with Bruce playing a pivotal role in the pilot,

1147
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 2: but it's very clear that this is going to be

1148
01:04:55,760 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 2: the kind of show that that is going to push uh,

1149
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 2: the MCU lore and characters and stuff further. I mean

1150
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 2: you already said it, there's gonna be more Hulk characters. Yeah,

1151
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 2: because of this that that blood is getting out there, folks.

1152
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 2: There's no way Jen's blood just stays on the shelf.

1153
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1154
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 3: And and like we said, you know, even if it does,

1155
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 3: I believe it will probably happen in this season. But

1156
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 3: if it doesn't, Bruce getting the message from Sakar that's

1157
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 3: it means Scar like these are the things like we

1158
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 3: saw we saw him in Thoragnarok, in his giant sexy

1159
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 3: skuyay with like his his fans. You know, I agree

1160
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 3: with you something that I kind of that blows my

1161
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 3: mind about this. And I can't say it one hundred

1162
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 3: yet because Wandervision exists, and that is one of the

1163
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 3: weirdest deep cut MCU shows ever with the amount of

1164
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 3: references they stuffed in. But I will say from this

1165
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 3: episode and what I've seen of the show so far,

1166
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 3: it does feel like it's gonna compete with One Division

1167
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 3: for introducing weird, deep cut, fun marvel law, and I

1168
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 3: actually think it might even get to do more because

1169
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 3: One Division, though it had so many fun references, a

1170
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 3: lot of it was just references. It didn't make stuff concrete.

1171
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 3: But even in this episode, we get canon nods to

1172
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 3: funny fan theories Steve Rodgers, you know, we get cementation

1173
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 3: of the idea that Bruce and TONI were actually much

1174
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 3: closer than we ever knew. I think you're right, it's

1175
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 3: going to push the boundaries of not only the tone

1176
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 3: and the humor. I mean, let's be real. Eternals was

1177
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 3: the first time that we saw people having sex in

1178
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 3: the MCU outside of an implied sex scene in Iron

1179
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 3: Man one, and that was very serious, and we've never

1180
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 3: really had people just joking about the adult realities of

1181
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 3: being a superhero. That is very much in the space

1182
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 3: of what Shee Hulk is doing. And I think that

1183
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 3: tone and freedom is going to bring a lot of

1184
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 3: new fani we a.

1185
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 2: Deep worf to the you know, we've talked a lot

1186
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 2: about potentially the West Coast Avengers coming together, potentially young Avengers,

1187
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:11,560
Speaker 2: who are based in Los Angeles for a lot of time,

1188
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:15,120
Speaker 2: potentially come together. And this is a show that takes

1189
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 2: place in California, in LA, which we haven't really been

1190
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 2: back to since the Tony Stark Iron Man movies with

1191
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 2: Tony's Malibu Fucking Barbie Dreamhouse sliding into the ocean. We

1192
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 2: haven't really been back there since then. Like most of

1193
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 2: Tony's stuff took place on the East Coast. Of course,

1194
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 2: the Avengers stuff took place there as well, So this

1195
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 2: is also an expansion of the kind of like power

1196
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 2: centers geographically of the MCU I think we're going to see. Obviously,

1197
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 2: we know Daredevil is in this, we're other heroes. We

1198
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 2: know that She Hulk at some point in time is

1199
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 2: going to defend Blonski. So this is more superheroes in LA,

1200
01:07:55,240 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 2: giving us a further expansion geographically of just places that

1201
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 2: superheroes hang out. We already know they hang out in

1202
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 2: New York, They're hanging out in LA too.

1203
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I would I'm very interested to see. So

1204
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:12,000
Speaker 3: this takes very heavily from we can we can assume

1205
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 3: the dance slot YEP arc, especially because some some preview

1206
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 3: images and trailers have shown a different law firm or

1207
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 3: a law firm that Jen is going to work at

1208
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 3: gl K and H, which is from the Dance Slot stuff,

1209
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 3: which is the more superhero style law. It also takes

1210
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 3: very heavily from the Charles Saul Haveavier Polito run, which

1211
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:35,879
Speaker 3: is really fun.

1212
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:37,559
Speaker 1: In nowly fun.

1213
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:38,839
Speaker 3: That's like my favorite.

1214
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:39,679
Speaker 1: It's so good.

1215
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 3: I've been reading both them. The Dance Slot one has

1216
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 3: so much great legal stuff. It's it's very of its time,

1217
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 3: so there's like good bits and bad bits. But the

1218
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:49,919
Speaker 3: Saul stuff, there is a sequence that I'm so interested

1219
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:52,639
Speaker 3: to see if they bring in Ari Daredevil right, dead Devil,

1220
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:58,760
Speaker 3: he's Hell's Kitchens guy. But in the Charles Saul Dead Eve.

1221
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:01,960
Speaker 1: Should we even talk about it now? I'm like wondering

1222
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 1: if that's if the case that they try is the case.

1223
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:07,600
Speaker 1: Because it is, we shouldn't talk about it.

1224
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 3: No, I'm not going to get the cases too much,

1225
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:12,280
Speaker 3: so I'm not going to get anything. There is a moment.

1226
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 3: This is a tone theory. Now that we've mentioned that case.

1227
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:18,160
Speaker 3: If it happens, we're saying we're right.

1228
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:23,760
Speaker 2: If it is not that that's a crazy for it's

1229
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:24,679
Speaker 2: literally the colleagues.

1230
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 1: But still yeah, but you no, No.

1231
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:30,880
Speaker 3: There's one moment in that version Jeen goes to ask

1232
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 3: Matt Murdock for help, but Matt is living in San

1233
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:35,320
Speaker 3: Francisco and they sit on the top of the San

1234
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 3: Francisco and it's so fun, and I kind of wonder

1235
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 3: if we're even going to get that, Like it's a

1236
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:44,600
Speaker 3: little bit more outside of LA It's just this expansion

1237
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:46,640
Speaker 3: of that idea of the West Coast and what that

1238
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:49,760
Speaker 3: looks like in the MCU outside of Tony's Mallaby dream House.

1239
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm very excited and I love I also

1240
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:55,840
Speaker 3: think you mentioned West Coast Avengers. You mentioned these saying

1241
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:59,680
Speaker 3: those stories have often been the more wacky stories, the

1242
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 3: most out their ideas, the kind of silly stuff. So

1243
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:07,160
Speaker 3: I think that you're really on point there, especially as

1244
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 3: this is a nine episode series, so a little bit

1245
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 3: longer than what we've been getting recently, and we know

1246
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 3: it's going to be a courtroom drama, and we've already

1247
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 3: seen from the trailer that it's going to include wild,

1248
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:21,000
Speaker 3: deep cut Marvel characters, so it feels like this could

1249
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 3: also be a place to potentially introduce some other heroes

1250
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 3: that might be connected to that even if not in

1251
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:30,320
Speaker 3: the long term, in more of a way to just

1252
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:32,519
Speaker 3: kind of establish that the West Coast has also had

1253
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:34,120
Speaker 3: heroes this whole time.

1254
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:36,599
Speaker 1: Well, I can't wait to talk about it more as

1255
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 1: the show airs.

1256
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 2: That's it for our show. A big thank you to

1257
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 2: Rosie night, Rosie, what do you have to plug?

1258
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:45,639
Speaker 1: Plug? Plug? Plug plug plug.

1259
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 3: I will have lots of cool Shee Hulk pieces coming

1260
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:51,599
Speaker 3: out over the next few weeks. I will be talking

1261
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:55,760
Speaker 3: about she Hulk with the creators. I will be doing

1262
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:58,160
Speaker 3: explainers all that kind of stuff that will be it nerdiced.

1263
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:01,599
Speaker 3: I will also be having some cool stuff coming out

1264
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 3: other spots, IGN NF Geek, all that kind of stuff

1265
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 3: for a bunch of different shows. We're about to get

1266
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:08,760
Speaker 3: into the wildest TV season that we've seen in a

1267
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:11,880
Speaker 3: long time, so it's gonna be able to come to us.

1268
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 3: And if you need extra stuff, you're gonna have Jason

1269
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 3: on House to the Dragon. You're gonna have me writing

1270
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 3: about House of the Dragon, Lord of the Rings, all

1271
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 3: that stuff, so that's really cool. You can find me

1272
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:24,840
Speaker 3: on Rosie Marx m A r X on Instagram and

1273
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 3: Left the Box and then obviously here on X ray.

1274
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 2: Vision X ray Vision has a new home, folks. Take

1275
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:33,479
Speaker 2: one YouTube channel and Twitter channels are now dedicated to

1276
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:36,120
Speaker 2: all things x ray Vision. So go check out at

1277
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:38,599
Speaker 2: XRV pod on Twitter and x Rayvision on YouTube.

1278
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 1: Plus.

1279
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 2: We have a discord, the x ray Vision Discord. You

1280
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:45,120
Speaker 2: can find the link to that in the show notes.

1281
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:48,080
Speaker 2: And if the link for some reason doesn't work because

1282
01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:51,559
Speaker 2: we're such discord noubes, then just DM us or something

1283
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 2: and we'll make sure you get sorted out. Catch the

1284
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:57,599
Speaker 2: next episode on August twenty sixth for more sheehok plus

1285
01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:01,799
Speaker 2: the House of the Dragon premiere. Oh shit, and remember

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Speaker 2: to send your House of the Dragon questions for Asking

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Speaker 2: the Master to Ask the Master at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 2: Ask the Master at gmail dot com. Five star reviews.

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Speaker 1: We want your five star ratings on your platform of choice.

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Speaker 2: Give us those five star reviews, and if you email

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Speaker 2: us the text of your review and it's funny.

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Speaker 1: We will read it on the air. We will read

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Speaker 1: it right here at the end of the show. Folks,

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Speaker 1: see you next time.

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Speaker 3: Bye.

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Speaker 2: X ray Vision is a Crooked Media production. The show

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Speaker 2: is produced by Chris Lordensaulrubin. The show is executive produced

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Speaker 2: by myself and Sandy's Rhard are editing and sound designers

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Speaker 2: by Vascillis Photopoulos, Dylon Villanueva and Matt De Group provide

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Speaker 2: video production support. Alex Rellaford handle social media. Thank you

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Speaker 2: Brian Vasquez for a theme music.

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Speaker 1: See you next time, Bye bye,