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Speaker 2: The World's a big podcasts.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. Well, I wonder how New Raiders

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Speaker 3: partial owner Tom Brady will feel.

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Speaker 2: Is that is that happening or is that just still?

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Speaker 4: Oh no, I think it was confirmed. Got past this.

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Speaker 2: I don't. I don't care for that. I don't play

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Speaker 2: for Robert crappt If you're listening, you gotta swoop in

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Speaker 2: and stop this and make him part of our two.

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Speaker 3: But I don't think this cannot stand.

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Speaker 5: This is not a.

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Speaker 2: Cannot stand one of Evan's simulators.

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Speaker 5: No, so he simulates the season for the Patriots. This

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Speaker 5: is crap, Like, what are you talking? This is not

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Speaker 5: gonna happen like this. Why why are we even giving

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Speaker 5: this a time of day if that's what it's going

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Speaker 5: to simulate? Like, No, No, this thing is crap.

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Speaker 3: It's crap. Whatever I'm gonna do it?

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Speaker 5: Oh oh, they did a whole show on it, him

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Speaker 5: and uh an intern Mike Catholic, they did an entire show.

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Speaker 5: And Whether and Whether is another thing that Bart and

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Speaker 5: I always argue. I'm just wait till you get a

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Speaker 5: girl from alex all right, dressing up when she says

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Speaker 5: to dress up, you dress up, dude.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 1: This is Patriots Unfiltered, fueled by Dunky.

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Speaker 2: All Right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday here

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Speaker 2: at Jills Stadium, and we didn't expect to be here

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Speaker 2: at this time.

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Speaker 4: Was supposed to be here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we thought we were going to be here too,

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Speaker 2: after having witnessed our first ot A practice. But Patriots

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Speaker 2: were bad. They pitched, they broke the rules again, and

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Speaker 2: uh yeah, so that's the big news this morning. Patriots

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Speaker 2: have been docked two ot A practices for violating rules.

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Speaker 2: Apparently they posted the time of a special teams practice

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Speaker 2: and you're not allowed to do that because it may

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Speaker 2: it mandatory or something. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Somebody felt pressured, that's right the way you just said it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the fact that it was listed on

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Speaker 4: the schedule, yeah, made it appear mandatory and not voluntary. Right,

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Speaker 4: seems a little silly to me.

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Speaker 3: So you can't have a schedule during OTAs because that

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Speaker 3: would imply that you have to do something.

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Speaker 4: It's just kind of not not hey show up on

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Speaker 4: the field. At too, Just so you guys know we're

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Speaker 4: going to get together after work today and have a drink.

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Speaker 4: But I'm not going to send out an email because

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Speaker 4: then there would be a paper trail, right, and we

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Speaker 4: could get in trouble.

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Speaker 3: For I mean it, calendar.

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Speaker 2: If I send an email, it makes you think that

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Speaker 2: you have to be there for the drink. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: don't know. I like, can you just have a header

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Speaker 2: on everything that says these are all optional.

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Speaker 4: Right, you know, legal disclaimer.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of like you know when we write our stories, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so less practice seven hours now means four hours. Everybody's

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Speaker 2: because now we're behind two practices. So if whatever how

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Speaker 2: many wins you had the Patriots, you have to take

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm annoyed.

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Speaker 4: Same.

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Speaker 3: I feel bad. I look and I say at the

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Speaker 3: But it's just it's not what you want right now.

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Speaker 3: And I'm sure that they're pissed about it. I mean,

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Speaker 4: So and we should point out that the that was

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Speaker 4: Mike Florial report for Pro Football Talk. He's the one

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Speaker 4: that is yeah, I pulled it up here. I don't

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Speaker 4: but the posting of the yeah, go ahead, Mike.

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Speaker 3: You had it, just, says a source with knowledge of

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Speaker 3: the situation. It was a meeting violation. According to the source,

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Speaker 3: the fifteen minute meeting in question, a special team session,

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Speaker 4: And just so you know, I want to like the

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Speaker 4: last part of that line, the NFLPA deemed it x right,

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Speaker 4: So this is not one of the long lines of

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Speaker 3: I wonder if you're their own players that I wonder

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Speaker 2: An appeal process.

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Speaker 3: I wonder that too, you know, I mean, can we

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Speaker 3: more signs of the guys being like I don't want

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Speaker 6: Like that?

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Speaker 2: That worries me too, I have the same could be

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Speaker 2: tell you that it's the third party. But I don't know,

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Speaker 2: it could be just protecting the player.

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Speaker 3: I mean, could it be any technically any player in

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but they have like team reps. You know,

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Speaker 2: they call him the locker room lawyers. You know, sometimes

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Speaker 2: and sometimes he's not, you know, So.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's if Florida's report is accurate, and

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Speaker 4: I have no reason to believe it's not. It seems

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Speaker 4: silly to me to lose two practices over writing down

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Speaker 2: But even they made it visible on the schedules, So

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Speaker 4: I'd like some.

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Speaker 2: You just show have a schedule.

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Speaker 3: So what like if it said lift, like you know, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean, I just don't know how it all works.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it can. It can seem ridiculous right outside.

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Speaker 3: Maybe it's not ridiculous, but it is ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: I think it's ridiculous. Yeah, But like I said, I

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Speaker 4: an example or another illustration that not everybody is on

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Speaker 4: the same page, right, It's not even like I'm not

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Speaker 4: I'm not mad at the person who had a problem

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Speaker 4: with it. Well, it's just another indication that it's not

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Speaker 2: And if it's a player, if that's what happened, right,

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Speaker 2: If if it's a player, probably this isn't the first

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Speaker 2: maybe you mentioned it to your position, coach, Hey, we're

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Speaker 4: Anyway, that's yeah, we'll just let's just deal with what

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Speaker 4: we know. They lost two OTAs and wet the chance,

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Speaker 2: That's to me, I'm looking at it selfishly. We lost

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Speaker 3: So now it'll be next Wednesday and the following Tuesday,

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Speaker 3: and then then he camp will be the next Monday Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: We lost the opportunity to say that Malik Cunningham is

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Speaker 4: And more importantly, we lost an opportunity to see Evan's

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Speaker 5: Right, you know, it's exploding over this whole thing. Honestly,

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Speaker 5: I I'm a little fired up about it because I

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Speaker 5: got to be honest, I think this is ridiculous. I

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Speaker 5: think this is absolutely ridiculous that the league took away

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Speaker 5: two practices for a meeting being on a schedule in

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Speaker 5: the middle of the off season, which it's all voluntary

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Speaker 5: in across the league. It's all voluntary.

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Speaker 2: Why can't you have it?

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Speaker 5: So as long as everybody's here, right, and it's a

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Speaker 5: on top of all of that, what I hated most

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Speaker 5: too much contact in the practice, right, This is a

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Speaker 5: judgment call in the nflpa's part that they believe that

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Speaker 5: this could be perceived as mandatory.

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Speaker 2: Give me a break asking some players, did you think

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Speaker 2: there was this mandatory No, okay.

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Speaker 5: Perceived as mandatory and we're just supposed to take your

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Speaker 5: word for that that they know terrible, terrible.

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Speaker 3: Terrible, these things terrible.

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Speaker 4: Either will allow OTAs and their thing and they're voluntary,

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Speaker 4: Well don't right, Like I think it's ridiculous that Dallas

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Speaker 4: my head, have lost some of these practices in the past.

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Speaker 4: I think Seattle too, like she had lots of draft

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Speaker 4: to Hay's point, Like I've been at a million of

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Speaker 4: these spring practices. There are guys getting knocked off the

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Speaker 4: off their feet all the time. Like what was Baltimore

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Speaker 4: doing that was any worse than what Cincinnati was doing?

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Speaker 4: Like I don't know, like either allow it or don't

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Speaker 4: allow it? Yeah, I mean then they're not in pads.

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Speaker 4: You can't be in pads. So I get that, But otherwise,

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Speaker 4: if you're in shorts and T shirts, just let them at.

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Speaker 5: Least if they're if there's contact, If it happens at

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Speaker 5: practice and there's contact or they're doing something that it

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Speaker 5: goes over the line in terms of what spring practices

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Speaker 5: are meant to be. Oklahoma drill sure. And that's one thing.

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Speaker 7: This is a.

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Speaker 5: It's a clerical error. And they took away two practices

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Speaker 5: because of the perception that a meeting could be mandatory.

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Speaker 5: And I was talking to Deuce about this earlier. It

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Speaker 5: was like when you were, you know, playing sports growing up,

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Speaker 5: and they had captain's practices and you were invited to

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Speaker 4: I wonder if there is fine, I'd expected it to be. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: If you see something, but I could also see it

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Speaker 3: Right, lost one ye teacher only lost one.

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Speaker 4: I used to call him a S. Baker, the touchdown

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Speaker 4: I don't know what constituence contact that practice, but that's it.

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Speaker 2: We also had the offensive lineman who.

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Speaker 2: I forget which one complained, and I think he was

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Speaker 4: Okay, so yeah, okay, yeah, now I know who you're

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Speaker 4: that was it. I'll explain his short ten years Patriots.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, eight five to five PATS five hundred

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Speaker 3: Got a report of another signing my favorite Anthony, my

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Speaker 4: I can't do that thought. Evan and I were on

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Speaker 3: He's played h back, a little bit, a little full back,

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Speaker 3: he's done some of that stuff. So I don't know

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Speaker 3: he could have a chance. I mean, there's just no

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Speaker 2: Do you think just an opportunity signing or do you

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Speaker 3: I think he's kind of unique. I mean, at least

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Speaker 3: great experience and depth at tight end. I mean it's

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Speaker 3: I think things get pretty thin if you lose Hunter Henry,

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Speaker 3: which I mean he hasn't you know, been the most

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Speaker 3: think just a good solid depth signing. They need nothing crazy,

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Speaker 3: they needed a tight end, but somebody who can go

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Speaker 3: we in terms of numbers on the run. I'll have

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Speaker 4: Max that'll be one.

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Speaker 3: So once that gets then, but so they'll probably have

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Speaker 4: Now, do you think it'll be you know I left

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Speaker 4: plane to who will get released? It will be someone

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Speaker 2: No, it'll be the guy who just it'll be the

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Speaker 3: Just brings it full.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're not supposed to be doing.

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Speaker 2: Slate's probably the one that posted it.

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Speaker 3: Chris, Chris board Bill would like to see you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the greatest.

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Speaker 3: You can't find he said, he can't find a weakness

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Speaker 4: I guess we found the week now.

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Speaker 3: I'm just kidding, that's not we don't know for sure.

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Speaker 5: I would have some choice words for the whistleblower.

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Speaker 4: This guy feeling careful, not afraid to violate.

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Speaker 2: You can't have retaliation.

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Speaker 3: I'm feeling fresh.

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Speaker 2: I'm feeling like I have to be there.

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Speaker 9: Did you.

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Speaker 3: The only one that did the course?

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Speaker 4: A baby? What a baby? I'm doing the baby voice?

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Speaker 4: Poor thing? You have to go to a fifteen minute meeting,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm hopeful it's a review. I'm hopeful it's an

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Speaker 3: had a documentation, saw the screen and someone's like, what

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Speaker 3: because well, if they're looking at the schedule, right, but

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Speaker 2: That's okay.

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Speaker 3: If it is like they are reviewing the scheduled, then

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Speaker 2: It's on the schedule of an optional day.

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Speaker 4: The whole that's my point.

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Speaker 5: The whole day is optional, right, is optional?

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Speaker 2: The only thing that was maybe the special teams meeting

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Speaker 5: I feel pressured, like in parentheses next to every single

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Speaker 3: Optional?

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Speaker 2: Oh boy? All right, well stop yeah? Otherwise, uh, I

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Speaker 4: And optional. I didn't I didn't hear.

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Speaker 2: you made me not that I haven't been like just

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what did it.

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Speaker 4: saying they win the super Bowl it works anyway. I

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Speaker 3: Then then it worked.

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Speaker 2: It worked. What do you think the odds are, I'd

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Speaker 4: I say fifty to fifty. I mean, I could see

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Speaker 3: I'm close on it, but I think it will. I

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Speaker 4: I don't necessarily have all but here as much for

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing, based on his skills set, they have.

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Speaker 2: Enough talent where all he has to be is good

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Speaker 3: But if he played just that well, they should winner, right,

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Speaker 2: That's why.

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Speaker 4: That's why I think it's I think it fails miserably.

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Speaker 2: I helped you, right.

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Speaker 3: I like to scratch under the surface.

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Speaker 4: I can tell when he's quiet.

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Speaker 5: Why Why Because I think it will work great for

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Speaker 5: Maybe I just think they gotta I'm not saying they're

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Speaker 2: I think now if you ask me, what are the

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Speaker 5: not perfect, he's going to be like no special media.

444
00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,959
Speaker 3: In New York throwing gas on those flames, and they

445
00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:40,680
Speaker 3: can't wait to make that happen.

446
00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:44,359
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, all right, And then I guess we have

447
00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:48,280
Speaker 2: to mention good luck to the Celtics tonight. Yeah, that's huge.

448
00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:50,400
Speaker 2: Don't let them get too don't let them get too

449
00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,880
Speaker 2: I mean, it's so funny how people have turned though.

450
00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,960
Speaker 2: They went from these dogs to it.

451
00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,960
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna let you know I'm going to I'm

452
00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,080
Speaker 4: going to defend a lot of Celtics fans here. There

453
00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,959
Speaker 4: wasn't a lot of changing. I can't tell you how

454
00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:07,280
Speaker 4: many people on my Twitter feed.

455
00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:08,560
Speaker 2: I don't know.

456
00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:10,600
Speaker 4: They're the better team. They can win for in a row.

457
00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:11,920
Speaker 4: They're the better team after.

458
00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,159
Speaker 2: That three after that game, yes, perform. I don't know

459
00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,200
Speaker 2: who is on his Twitter feed. I don't like he

460
00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:17,480
Speaker 2: always has like people.

461
00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:18,800
Speaker 4: I was already doing.

462
00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:21,119
Speaker 3: Everything.

463
00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,000
Speaker 4: I am too, but I don't know that's because you

464
00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,639
Speaker 4: have a rational bone in your body. But I'll tell

465
00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:27,359
Speaker 4: you who's on my feet. And I've talked to you

466
00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,639
Speaker 4: about this before, and you guys haven't really seemed to

467
00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:31,920
Speaker 4: be able to figure this out. I don't know where

468
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,040
Speaker 4: all these people came from. I don't know who they are.

469
00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,120
Speaker 4: And I don't know the new Twitter algorithm.

470
00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:36,720
Speaker 3: I don't know.

471
00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:40,680
Speaker 4: This is not new, This is not algorithm. No, Mike

472
00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:44,240
Speaker 4: knows a lot of the same people. You mentioned, one

473
00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,399
Speaker 4: of them that I do not follow, who is on

474
00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,439
Speaker 4: my timeline, and you took a rocket shot at them Tuesday.

475
00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:53,640
Speaker 4: I don't know how he got He's one of them,

476
00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,480
Speaker 4: that Dan Kelly guy is one of them. I don't

477
00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,560
Speaker 4: know how these people got to get on my my timeline.

478
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:01,480
Speaker 4: I don't don't know who they are, and I'm not

479
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,879
Speaker 4: trying to make fun of anybody. I just don't know

480
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 4: how I got these perpetual pomp pom waivers on my

481
00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:08,960
Speaker 4: timeline that I don't follow.

482
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,280
Speaker 2: But the majority of people after that said it's over.

483
00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:13,000
Speaker 2: It's over.

484
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:17,960
Speaker 4: It's not as yeah, I mean, I think it's like

485
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,400
Speaker 4: fifty to fifty. I think there's a lot of people

486
00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:25,439
Speaker 4: who think that they better now now they tonight, they

487
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:26,760
Speaker 4: should just blow the whole team up.

488
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,119
Speaker 5: This is a lay up tonight, win tonight.

489
00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 2: Why do you think it's a layout?

490
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,040
Speaker 4: If they're as good as you say that there, if

491
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,359
Speaker 4: they're a nine point favorite in a game tonight and they.

492
00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,000
Speaker 5: Lose the Vegas line like they're gonna lose again at.

493
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,080
Speaker 2: Home, I know, but the Vegas line has been wrong

494
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,440
Speaker 2: all the way through. It's been wrong. Everybody's been wrong.

495
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,399
Speaker 2: You know, they're not looking at what's going on. I

496
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,439
Speaker 2: don't think this is a layup tonight, Are you kidding?

497
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,480
Speaker 4: This is not The team's missing like the third best

498
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 4: player and you're at home and you can't win that game,

499
00:21:58,320 --> 00:21:59,879
Speaker 4: I get rid of all of them. I keep to

500
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 4: them and get rid of everybody else. If they lose

501
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,840
Speaker 4: this game tonight. Yeah, I'm emotional like that, you know.

502
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 2: I think that you have to make severe moves even

503
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:08,960
Speaker 2: if they win.

504
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:13,399
Speaker 4: You know, even if they had an win this series,

505
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 4: what are you gonna do. Everybody's gonna make it out

506
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:16,639
Speaker 4: to be a miracle.

507
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 5: I just don't let them win tonight.

508
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 3: Well, they're going to win tonight.

509
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 5: If they win tonight, I'm not calling it the series

510
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 5: at three one. I'm not calling that they they avoided

511
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 5: the embarrassment of getting swept. Good for you, But this team,

512
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 5: I know for a fact that they could easily look

513
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 5: at it and say, well, at least we didn't get swept, right, Like,

514
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:35,399
Speaker 5: you know, I.

515
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,919
Speaker 4: Rule nothing out. You're right, I rule nothing out with them.

516
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 5: At least, you know that thirty point blow out in

517
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,680
Speaker 5: Game three was they didn't want to go down like that.

518
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:43,360
Speaker 4: Good for them.

519
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 5: They won Game four, But I could definitely see the

520
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 5: Celtics coming out tonight and being like, well, we just

521
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 5: really didn't want to like get embarrassed and get swept.

522
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 3: But regardless guy would play if they if they needed to.

523
00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, but if the Celtics win tonight, now now we're

524
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 5: cooking with gas. Now it's a real series because Miami

525
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 5: Game six, that's you don't want to play Game seven

526
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 5: in the Garden. Like the Celtics they played don't play

527
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,439
Speaker 5: great at home to begin with, But Game seven at

528
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 5: the Garden with this Cord have been blowout. So I

529
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 5: mean Milwaukee Game seven last year, Philly Game seven this year.

530
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 5: We're talking like twenty five point massacres by the Celtics

531
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 5: and home game sevens in their history together.

532
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 4: So losing Game seven, they would game six. I just

533
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,880
Speaker 4: I think I think they're so mentally weak. It's ridiculous.

534
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 2: Things that we've seen during I think that's are things

535
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 2: that we saw during the season when they played better teams.

536
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 5: Right, No, I don't know.

537
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 4: There's nothing to do with the it's nothing to do

538
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 4: with the calibers. It's all about them. Yeah, Well, which

539
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 4: isn't all that great. There's only like ten teams in

540
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 4: the league.

541
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Speaker 5: I think the one the one thing that have the

542
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 5: Celtics have going for them about coming back in this

543
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,360
Speaker 5: series is that a lot of the heat role players

544
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 5: not Jimmy Butler, not bam Adebayo. A lot of the

545
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,400
Speaker 5: heat role players have been shooting out of their mind

546
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 5: from three in the playoffs, and if they finally come

547
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 5: back to normal and some of those guys regrets that

548
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 5: won game four, right, and if that continues, if the

549
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,959
Speaker 5: you know, Gay Vinton's not playing tonight, if the if

550
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 5: the Strausses, if the Caleb Martins, if the Kyle Lowrys,

551
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 5: the Kevin Loves, if those guys all of a sudden

552
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,400
Speaker 5: start chucking up a bunch of bricks, then yeah, then

553
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 5: then then your back endt.

554
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 2: The Celtics still have to put the defensive effort in

555
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:33,399
Speaker 2: that they put in.

556
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm this is it shots. But because the hole

557
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 4: they had smart they played. Grant Williams, Derek White and

558
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 4: Al Horford made eighteen threes the other.

559
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 2: Day for the Celtics.

560
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 4: Caleb Martin, they all missed, Gabe Vincent, Max Struss and

561
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 4: what's the Williams kid uh Duncan Robinson. Yeah combined for

562
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,239
Speaker 4: four No. No, but that's the difference in the game.

563
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 4: But the difference those guys are wide open. They've been

564
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 4: missing all. I think the Celtic Al Horford hasn't had

565
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 4: a guy near him on a three point all series

566
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:13,120
Speaker 4: last game. He decided to Williams the better defense last

567
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 4: game traffic.

568
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,919
Speaker 2: How many trips down the floor? I think there were

569
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 2: like six consecutive trips down the floor where Miami went

570
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 2: hated and didn't score. And it was because they turned

571
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 2: And it wasn't because they were taken outside shots and

572
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:28,159
Speaker 2: missing them.

573
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 4: They were turning the ball over.

574
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 3: No, no, they weren't. They were missing nothing. Run was

575
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 3: all they will.

576
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 2: They were going in and it was a contested shot

577
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 2: down low and they were missing. Patriots were getting the

578
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 2: Patriots I keep saying the page. The Celtics were getting

579
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 2: the rebound and at that time the Celtics weren't hitting either.

580
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 2: But there were like six consecutive trips where it was

581
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 2: contested shot down load. The miss were hitting and the

582
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 2: Celtics got. Celtics got there, went on an eighteen o

583
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,400
Speaker 2: run in the third quarter. Eventually they broke it open.

584
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 2: Talked about when it was still tight, they weren't turned.

585
00:25:58,720 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 3: That's when it was tight, they will.

586
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 4: The Celtics were losing at the time of that eighteen

587
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 4: oh run.

588
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I nine, the Celtics played much better defense.

589
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 3: Sure if that makes you feel better. Great.

590
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 4: It's all about being wide open and making a shot.

591
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 4: The Celtics made them eighteen of them that the heat

592
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 4: made for them. I'm not talking about Jason Tatum and

593
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 4: Jimmy Butler. Those guys get defended. Max Troups doesn't get defended.

594
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 4: It's all about whether or not he makes the shot.

595
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 4: Marcus Smart doesn't get defended. It's all about whether he

596
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 4: makes it or not. The first three games, the Celtics

597
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 4: missed all of those, yep, and the heat made them all.

598
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, the heats whole offense is the defense reacting to

599
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,959
Speaker 5: Jimmy Butler with the ball right. So either he's going

600
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 5: to score on his own or he's going to kick

601
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 5: the ball out because the whole defense's collapse on him.

602
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 5: In the pain when that defense collapses, Struce Duncan rock

603
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 5: like all these guys have been just draining threes all

604
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,479
Speaker 5: playoff long. They've been shooting like forty six percent from

605
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 5: three in the playoffs, and they were thirty I think

606
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 5: thirty three or thirty four percent regular season shooting team, and.

607
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 4: They shot twenty five the other night.

608
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 5: So if they regress back to what they were in

609
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 5: the regular season, for three more games the win, Celtics

610
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 5: will win the series, but if they continue to be hot,

611
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 5: then they won't. And not having gave Vincent tonight is

612
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 5: huge because he's one of those driving kick guys, you know,

613
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 5: he's a spot up shooter that they really have relied on.

614
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 5: So we'll see. But I really think that the Celtics

615
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 5: win tonight. It's not a series yet. Don't tell me

616
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 5: that that it's that they they're in it. They're not

617
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 5: in it. It's three to one, nobody's ever come back.

618
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 5: You make it three to two. That then it becomes

619
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,719
Speaker 5: a little bit different. I think also with the psyche

620
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 5: of the Celtics, you can, let's take the other two

621
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 5: games out of it for a second. That they wanted

622
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 5: to get to three to two. They've come back from

623
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 5: three to two. So if you if you lock into

624
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 5: the fact that, oh we just have to win game

625
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 5: six and seven, well we did that against Milwaukee, we

626
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 5: did that against Philly this year. It's it's possible. And

627
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 5: now it's a Celtics podcast.

628
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 2: I reckon Reckon Kentucky says, no disrespect to the Celtics,

629
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 2: but please wake me up when you start talking about

630
00:27:59,400 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 2: the Patriots.

631
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 3: Thank you, oh boy, thank you.

632
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 4: It is May.

633
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 2: It is May, and it is Boston and you know,

634
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 2: I mean, and they are playing tonight, so and we

635
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 2: had our practice canceled, so what do we forget about?

636
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 2: You know, otherwise we'd be all over the Patriots today.

637
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,919
Speaker 3: You know, with like real, actual, not ourcham.

638
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 5: I can't do it with the Celtics. I just I

639
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 5: can't get my hopes up because then they won't do

640
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 5: it and I'll get crushed.

641
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 3: So I'm just so you're you're You're just gonna tip

642
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 3: your toe and dip your toe in the water tonight. Slowly.

643
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 4: I get what you said.

644
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 3: I get.

645
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:31,479
Speaker 9: Well.

646
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 3: The other night, I really think they win tonight.

647
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 5: The other night just looked at me and she was

648
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 5: like are you okay? And I was like yeah, why

649
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 5: And She's like, like they're winning and you're not excited,

650
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 5: Like what's going on with you? And I was like,

651
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 5: I'm not doing it. I'm not allowing myself to get

652
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 5: my hopes up.

653
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 4: I'm not going to do this.

654
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 10: You know.

655
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 5: It was Game three, nineteen to eight reducts. Maybe maybe

656
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 5: it was. Maybe it was, but I'm not getting my

657
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 5: hopes out.

658
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 4: And it's a friend's point. I feel very strongly the

659
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 4: Celtics will win tonight. But I felt probably even stronger

660
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 4: they would win game two, right and they didn't. Now

661
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 4: Here's why I don't think they can win four in

662
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Speaker 4: a row. All the shooting stuff aside. The Celtics only

663
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Speaker 4: have one way to win, and that is to be

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Speaker 4: up by double digits or you know, preferably closer to

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Speaker 4: twenty when you hit the five minute mark. If one

666
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Speaker 4: of the last three games is close, they will lose it.

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Speaker 4: So it's hard to me to envision them blowing them

668
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Speaker 4: out four times in a row. And that's what they

669
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Speaker 4: need to do because the heat have proven if it's close,

670
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Speaker 4: they'll win it. That's fair, all right.

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Speaker 2: Eight five five PATS five hundred is the a sticket

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Speaker 2: outline web radio at patries dot com is the email address.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you want to talk Celtics.

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Speaker 3: You can about how about little respect to the Panthers

675
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Speaker 3: for Panthers.

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Speaker 7: No, stop it, stop it the hurricane no, but you

677
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Speaker 7: got to give him respects now, you know, you know

678
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Speaker 7: what we saw the Stanley Cup final was the first

679
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Speaker 7: Stanley Cup.

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Speaker 3: That was that.

681
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Speaker 2: That was the Stanley.

682
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Speaker 3: Cupp three to one. I mean, Martian even in the

683
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Speaker 3: game seven Martians, I mean.

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Speaker 4: Why why are you doing this? I mean it's like,

685
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Speaker 4: I did you guys hear any of Rod Brindlemore like,

686
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Speaker 4: I know exactly what he's talking about.

687
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 3: I know exactly what he's talking about.

688
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Speaker 4: Like does he take it to the theater of the absurd? Yes,

689
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Speaker 4: it was a little andy like you know where he

690
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 4: goes way too far. But I mean they basically lost

691
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Speaker 4: three overtime games and you're gonna kill him for like

692
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Speaker 4: a no show in the fun like all those games

693
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Speaker 4: could have gone either way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Chuck man, he's something. It's gonna go down.

695
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Speaker 4: It's one of the flukiest things that you've ever seen.

696
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Speaker 4: Just what what do you mean that one team wins

697
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Speaker 4: every time in that spot? Do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 5: I just I have no the hockey playoffs in general,

699
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Speaker 5: I have no time for I haven't watched a single

700
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Speaker 5: minute second of the hockey playoffs since the Bruins got

701
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Speaker 5: There were eleven and not even a millisecond.

702
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Speaker 4: I have since being down three to one to the Bruins.

703
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Speaker 3: There were eleven and I get him.

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Speaker 2: Then, I haven't watched every game the Celtics pretty much

705
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Speaker 2: every game could.

706
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Speaker 3: Have gone either way, heep getting them bailing them out.

707
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Speaker 2: All right, let's get to the phones. Chris with a T,

708
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Speaker 2: I A N is on the line. What's up Christian?

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Speaker 8: No, man, it's not Christian's Christian.

710
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Speaker 3: Sorry, that's my bad.

711
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Speaker 8: Actually, other Christians he's cool too.

712
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my bad.

713
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Speaker 3: He's not as as you.

714
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Speaker 2: This is just Christian Christians.

715
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Speaker 3: He's not as cool as you.

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Speaker 8: Hey, So to two comics. One is the question, actually

717
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 8: one is the comics. I'm hot and cold on what

718
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Speaker 8: the league is doing with the the punch returning and

719
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Speaker 8: even the kickoff stuff, with the draft capital that we spent.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry nobody said anything.

721
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Speaker 8: No, keep going okay with the draft capital that we

722
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Speaker 8: spent on guys that are going to be potentially only

723
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Speaker 8: special team players. Question number one is do you see

724
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Speaker 8: do you guys see us sort of flipping the roster

725
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Speaker 8: to free up some more spots for other positions now

726
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Speaker 8: that the special teams guys aren't going to be that important,

727
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 8: or just stashing those guys from next year in case

728
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Speaker 8: this one year try it doesn't work out. That's my

729
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 8: first question. And then my second question is if Boute

730
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Speaker 8: and Douglas come on and camp as it seems like

731
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Speaker 8: we're sort of predicting they might. Which one of the

732
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Speaker 8: veterans do you see is being more expendable, Kendrick Bourne

733
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Speaker 8: or Devonte Parker? Thanks, guys, I'm always great to.

734
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Speaker 2: Talk to you, all right. Thanks for the special teams thing.

735
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Speaker 4: I don't see a lot of change.

736
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Speaker 3: I mean, I know that the bottom two guys are

737
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Speaker 3: special teams guys, but I mean they also they don't

738
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Speaker 3: really have any undrafted rookies this year. Usually get like

739
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Speaker 3: ten undrafted rookies. So some of those late round guys

740
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Speaker 3: in the draft, I see them just as kind of

741
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Speaker 3: uda face. Anyway, So we're just talking about kickoff.

742
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Speaker 2: Let me ask a question on a kickoff, do you

743
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Speaker 2: like if it's a short kickoff, do you see a

744
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 2: lot of guys fair catching?

745
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Speaker 3: Well, even if you get it in twenty five I

746
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 3: twenty like you're waving it and you're.

747
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 2: A little bit about inside five yard line, five yard

748
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Speaker 2: I would fair catch, you.

749
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Speaker 3: Would, unless it's like a line drive right at you.

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Speaker 2: You tell your guys to fair catch.

751
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Speaker 4: No, I would tell him to judge the ball like

752
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Speaker 4: I do a punt, like Evan said last week, and

753
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Speaker 4: that and from that see That's why I push back

754
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Speaker 4: on the notion of like special tea changed right exactly,

755
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Speaker 4: because you still have to defend the kickoff like that.

756
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Speaker 4: They can still return it.

757
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 5: So in theory, you still have to defend the kickoff,

758
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 5: so you still have to put eleven guys out there

759
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Speaker 5: that can make a tackle. So even though we can

760
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Speaker 5: have a larger conversation about the value of special teams

761
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Speaker 5: in general, and if that's the talk you want to have,

762
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Speaker 5: then fine, but I don't think that this rule changes

763
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Speaker 5: the philosophy of special teams being important to Bill Belichick

764
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Speaker 5: because you're still kicking off and the ball is still

765
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Speaker 5: going into a returner's hand, and the chance that he

766
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Speaker 5: returns it is still high.

767
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Speaker 4: So like the two ones against the Bills, Yeah, neither

768
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Speaker 4: one of them went into the end zone. So now

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Speaker 4: you're saying that they're gonna catch those, I don't think so.

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Speaker 4: Not if you're kicking low line drives. Now, if you

771
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Speaker 4: can hang it up high and he's catching at the

772
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Speaker 4: five yard, is gonna fair catch it every time? But

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's gonna I don't think it's gonna

774
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Speaker 4: be a huge difference in terms of roster construction.

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Speaker 3: I think that.

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Speaker 4: You know, someone in the mailbag this week asked a question,

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Speaker 4: it's a good question, you know about guys that just

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Speaker 4: return you know, maybe, uh, that's the liberty guy Douglas.

779
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Speaker 4: I always want to call him Davis for the linebacker

780
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Speaker 4: from the Saints.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I should I should.

782
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Speaker 5: Know the Shrine Bowl there was a Dallas Daniels and

783
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Speaker 5: a the Mario Douglas and they both played slot receiver

784
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Speaker 5: on the Patriots tea.

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Speaker 3: I can't do I can't do any of that a

786
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Speaker 3: lot of these. But you know, let's say that he

787
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Speaker 3: has like this.

788
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Speaker 4: Dynamic returnability and he doesn't really have any other special

789
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 4: teams attributes. I have no idea what he's gonna do.

790
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Speaker 4: But and he's not showing, you know, any promise for

791
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Speaker 4: the slot. I don't think a guy like that is

792
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 4: going to win a roster spot. I didn't think a

793
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 4: guy like that would win a ross spot ten years ago.

794
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Speaker 4: I don't think Bill values it enough that that's the

795
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Speaker 4: only thing he does. Like even Kodero Patterson, who was

796
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Speaker 4: one of the best returners in the league, he found

797
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 4: a way to incorporate in the offense. Yeah, and if

798
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 4: he doesn't do that with Douglas. I don't think he'll stay.

799
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Speaker 3: I think he's totally right, Paul, And I think like

800
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Speaker 3: just look at like a couple of years ago when

801
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Speaker 3: it seemed like they'll just put pold him back there,

802
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 3: like you know, like they didn't have a guy and

803
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 3: they're like how many times, like they're blunt used to

804
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 3: do it. Yeah.

805
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Speaker 2: So on his other question, if you know Boute or

806
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Speaker 2: the other guy, you know, make a spot who's expendable, and.

807
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Speaker 3: I guess we could say Born. I just don't know

808
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 3: if they're in a position to toss either one of

809
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 3: those guys, Like you don't you struggled so much last year?

810
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 3: Do you really think like these two rookies they look

811
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 3: pretty good in the preseason, and now you're just gonna

812
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Speaker 3: get rid of Devonte Parker, Like, I don't know, it's

813
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 3: a lot. I mean, I guess it could be a

814
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Speaker 3: number one. I would say it would be Born, But

815
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Speaker 3: I also just they don't have a lot, Like I

816
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 3: just you know where you can be like, all right,

817
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 3: we're all set now get rid of Kendrick Bourne. Like

818
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 3: I still think he's a good player that could contribute.

819
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 3: So I don't know it it'd be an interesting problem

820
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 3: to have. I'd love to just have one of those

821
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 3: guys step up, but I don't know. I'd be surprised

822
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 3: if they if they jettus in those guys.

823
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, I get by the sheer numbers of it. Carrying

824
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 5: six receivers is a little bit out of character for them,

825
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 5: So if somebody has to go, if those two rookies pop,

826
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 5: But I wouldn't rule out carrying six receivers.

827
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 3: Because if you're talking about Ferkser or Kendrick Bourne.

828
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 5: Right right, they're just there's ways to do it, especially

829
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 5: if you consider some of the players that I think

830
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 5: are guys that could get to the practice squad and

831
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 5: then be elevated sure for games and things like like

832
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 5: you know they did that with Miles Bryant a few

833
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 5: years ago, Like is anybody no offense like really picking

834
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 5: up Miles bryan or running to the.

835
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Speaker 4: Way down to things like that too with the offensive lineman,

836
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 4: and you know they're going to have offensive lineman on

837
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 4: your practice squad. Every team does right, right, and especially

838
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 4: now with the sixteen guys. You know, do you think

839
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 4: you can get those guys more readily to the practice

840
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 4: squad than you can? Cause it might you know you

841
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 4: might look at and say, well, that's fourth and fourth

842
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 4: round picks higher than sixth round picks. But you know,

843
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 4: especially Booty is a higher profile kind of guy than

844
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 4: the offensive lineman. So and I know that sounds silly,

845
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 4: like they get Yeah, I think sometimes they get fooled.

846
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 4: And they remember that guy from LSU who had three

847
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 4: hundred yards in that game as a freshman and was

848
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 4: considered a second round pick at worst, you know, in

849
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 4: first round pick in some circles, they remember that. And

850
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 4: I know that talent is there, whereas some of the linemen.

851
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, he's good, solid, Yeah, Jake andrew he's

852
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 3: gonna he's gonna have a career in the league, you know,

853
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 3: maybe yeah, And don't you feel like most teams right

854
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 3: now have kind of those offensive linemen in their building

855
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 3: right now, like you probably got some in the draft

856
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 3: or undrafted brookies like and as much as those guys

857
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 3: are fourth round picks, early day three picks, it's still

858
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 3: it's hard to see Jake Andrews he's not making it

859
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 3: through like I think somebody like that probably could.

860
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's go to Todd North Carolina. I

861
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 2: hate Todd.

862
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 6: Hey, good afternoon, guys. I just thought i'd give you

863
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 6: guys a bit of a heads up, and he was

864
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 6: hinting that he would like to come back yet of

865
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 6: his podcast.

866
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Speaker 2: Plus I'd like to come back at the end of

867
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Speaker 2: his podcast.

868
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 6: No, at the end of his podcast this week six

869
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 6: Rings and Football Things. We want to come back to

870
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 6: see you guys, and you know, if you can give

871
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 6: him a raise, he definitely wants to.

872
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think Andy's agent.

873
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 4: I'd like to say, that's the interesting mutual.

874
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 2: You get two shots and that's it too. You know.

875
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Speaker 6: I've got two quick little questions to go along with

876
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 6: the goofy garment. The practice squad. When is it that

877
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 6: is it set right when you break and get down

878
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 6: to that fifty three man roster or does it get like.

879
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 3: The last No, you got to resign those guys like

880
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 3: the next day, so you agent. Everybody's a free agent then.

881
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 5: But it's always a fluid situation, absolutely, okay.

882
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 6: That and the other question is what about tight ends

883
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 6: other than Gronk. I really haven't thought of any other

884
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:56,720
Speaker 6: tight end that they really drafted and you know, stuck

885
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 6: with the team in the last fifteen years.

886
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 3: Ben Watson, Dan grahamout a couple talk about fourteen years

887
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 3: the last.

888
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, because the other one count Yeah, Hernandez counts.

889
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 6: Well was he a tight end or was he was

890
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 6: tight end?

891
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 4: Okaytyounds yeah, but it.

892
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 6: Just it just seems to me that we haven't.

893
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 2: Well, they haven't really reached they haven't gone high for

894
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 2: a tight end in a while.

895
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 6: No, you know, yeah, they haven't.

896
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 4: Well, they did take two third round picks, right, yeah,

897
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 4: thanks keenan ASIASI were both third round.

898
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:29,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.

899
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 5: That was a but that draft I have to go

900
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 5: back and fact check it exactly. But they hadn't drafted

901
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 5: a tight end in like ages because they had rocks.

902
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 5: So like what, you know, what, what was the point man?

903
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 4: Right?

904
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 5: Who is you know, they signed a guy like Martell's

905
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 5: Bennett or Scott Chandler or whoever to just be tight

906
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 5: end too, But what was the point in wasting a

907
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 5: top fifty pick on a tight end when he had

908
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 5: the greatest tight end of all time on your roster?

909
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 3: I would say they would have been wasting it if

910
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 3: they did in like twenty eighteen when he was starting

911
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 3: to wind down and like.

912
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 5: Right, had those Those were some of the second guesses

913
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 5: I guess late in his career, but there was like

914
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,720
Speaker 5: a four or five year period where they just avoided

915
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 5: the ignored it because why no one's gonna come in

916
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:10,479
Speaker 5: here and play.

917
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Keane were interesting, you know, it's boy, they

918
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 2: never they but I would say, you know, investing a

919
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 2: third round.

920
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 3: Pick, yeah, you expect it. I mean it's the third

921
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,240
Speaker 3: round picks four years ago now, something.

922
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 4: You expect to have at least one of those guys

923
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 4: on your roster four years later, like could have been

924
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 4: on the roster. No, but I mean as a player. Yeah,

925
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 4: he's on a roster now, but he's not doing anything

926
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 4: for Cincinnati either.

927
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 3: Right, I mean Keen was always hurt, but I mean

928
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 3: just ASKI was another one of those guys. Never saw

929
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 3: him doing He's Ronnie Perkins, you know, like I mean,

930
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 3: I know he played a few games, but I never

931
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 3: saw him do anything in practice.

932
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 4: One of the rare guys that I did a draft

933
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 4: profile on that I got the impression that I got

934
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 4: sort of a lukewarm yeah, like from from his college coaches,

935
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 4: and you know, they they liked him a lot, They

936
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 4: thought he had potential. It was a question of whether

937
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 4: or not it would it would fully click in, and

938
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 4: it was like some red flags there.

939
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 5: So the Patriots drafted Gronk and Hernandez obviously in twenty ten.

940
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 5: They drafted Lee Smith in twenty eleven.

941
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 3: He's actually an NFL he's like a blocker.

942
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then they they drafted aj Derby in twenty fifteen.

943
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 3: He played, he played for Denver.

944
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then they didn't draft another tight end until Ossiassi. Oh,

945
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 5: Ryan is in the seventh.

946
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 3: Round, So we're talking, we're talking somewhere streaked.

947
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 5: We're talking about guys that you know, sixth round picks,

948
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 5: seventh round picks we're not talking about.

949
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why he only brought up Keenan as right.

950
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 5: So from the twenty ten draft with Gronk and Hernandez

951
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 5: to the Keenan Aasiassi draft, he had a couple day

952
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 5: three flyers on guys, but nothing really called an investment.

953
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 3: But those two picks were almost like you talk about

954
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 3: cold strange where you're like, we got no tight ends,

955
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 3: like Kronk retired, what are we going to do now?

956
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 5: And I mean that was a bad tightend class to

957
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 5: begin with. I think like Adam Troutman might be the

958
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 5: best tight end to come out of that class and

959
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 5: he's not anything.

960
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 3: So keen in the third round. That was a shocker.

961
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 3: I think everybody was on him as like seventh round

962
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 3: special teams guy.

963
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 4: And that impresses me like that, I can't do that,

964
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 4: Like I can't. I remember all the names. Yeah, you

965
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 4: tell me all the names that we spent way too

966
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 4: many hours talking about on stupid draft review podcasts. I

967
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 4: can tell you all the names. And as soon as

968
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 4: you said trout Man like, but if you asked me

969
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 4: to say what year was he draft?

970
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 5: Oh god, no chance that was the class.

971
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 3: No way.

972
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 5: Harrison Bryant was the tight end of the year, the

973
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 5: Nay Award winner that year, and was up there as

974
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 5: a prospect like those were the couple guys uh desired

975
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 5: the Gora with the Packers, so that those were like

976
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 5: a handful of the guys that were up near the.

977
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 4: Top of the sport. But they remember that class.

978
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 5: When you study those classes as much as I do

979
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 5: and waste as much of your life watching them, that's

980
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 5: what happens.

981
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 3: But yeah, they.

982
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 5: That class was not a good class, which is what

983
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 5: made it so surprising that they took two of them,

984
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 5: Like they took two tight ends back what they've tended.

985
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 4: You know, someone was being critical of us because we're

986
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 4: you know, not talking about all the great draft picks

987
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 4: they've had, and Fred you can recall me being very

988
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 4: defensive of Bill's drafting, very very very good drafter. I

989
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 4: think I got made fun of for saying, but that's

990
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 4: that's some of the things that they've done, like in

991
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 4: this like fourteen, fifteen, sixteen through like you know, eighteen,

992
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 4: nineteen twenty, some of these like lighter drafts, they've done

993
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 4: that three or four times where they've gone after a

994
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 4: position in a year that was down for that position,

995
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 4: and it's almost like they do it intentionally because well,

996
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 4: everybody loves the wide receivers in this class. So we're

997
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 4: not going to get the eighth wide receiver, even though

998
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 4: he's better than the best wide receiver the following year.

999
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 4: We're gonna wait for the year when that that position

1000
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 4: is down. And I don't think it's worked. And that

1001
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 4: tight end thing is an example of it.

1002
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I forgot about co Comett. Cole Commet's probably

1003
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 5: the best out of that group, and cole Comet has

1004
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 5: fifty catches. He's a pretty good player in his career

1005
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 5: but he's a good blocker. The only time that I

1006
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 5: can remember them doing what you're talking about and working

1007
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 5: as Christian Barmore. But I don't know if Barmore has worked.

1008
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 5: But he's clearly good, you know, an NFL player that

1009
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 5: can play. But he was the first defensive tackle taken

1010
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 5: in that draft because it was a weak defensive tackle draft.

1011
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Speaker 20: So I love college football. He has no interest in

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Speaker 4: It okay, because he's patting himself on the back so much.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna just say this, the reason why I don't

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Speaker 20: I'm going to truly enjoy my Saturday this week. And

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Speaker 20: I thought you said we weren't doing. We weren't doing personally.

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Speaker 3: That's another great moment from.

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Speaker 2: Paul is left.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be a puddle up there watching his kid graduate.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 2: I'm only kidding, but no, Paul.

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Speaker 2: evidence myself. Matt's still here.

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Speaker 3: Thank goodness, thank god we would have a show.

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Speaker 2: Let's see. Dan writes in he says, I'm so glad

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Speaker 2: Max's girlfriend sacrificed her time and hard earned money to

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Speaker 2: take him to Taylor Swift concert. All jokes aside. I

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Speaker 2: think we all expect him to have a better year

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Speaker 2: than last year. It seems like Mac has generally been

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Speaker 2: dealt a bad hand throughout his tenure here, between lack

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Speaker 2: despite a difficult schedule, the Patriots will end up with

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Speaker 2: double digit wins and second in the division. Max should

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Speaker 2: Best case, someone else steps up to It's an exciting

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Speaker 5: Wow, an exciting time to be a Patriots fan. I

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Speaker 5: don't hear that a lot now these days. I'm not

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Speaker 2: You not around the last twenty Not sure we can

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Speaker 2: for excitement, Yeah, I haven't.

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Speaker 5: You don't hear that a lot from this fan base

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Speaker 5: right now, that any but he is. Really some people

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Speaker 3: I think that's why I was frustrated that we didn't

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Speaker 3: there's always something to get excited about when you actually,

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Speaker 3: I think we all know that we're watching OTAs and

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Speaker 3: even still just you know, to get some excitement brewing.

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Speaker 3: I just think, like, regardless of the observations that we're

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Speaker 5: I'm all for over hyping OTA practice oh yeah, all

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Speaker 2: I love appetizers. Yeah, well that's what you know. The

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Speaker 5: Like if we got out there and I keep on

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Speaker 5: thinking about Taekwon, Like if we get out there and

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Speaker 5: a sudden, you know, dude start to get a little

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Speaker 5: all for it.

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Speaker 3: And you probably would just watch Christian Gonzalez jog out

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean he's just one of those guys that

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Speaker 5: he should shine in this type of thing because it's

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Speaker 5: just about athleticism, right, there's no contact, it's not it's

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Speaker 5: not real football yet. And he's a get off the

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Speaker 5: bust type of guy. And I was looking forward to

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Speaker 5: seeing him too, absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Rusty and rusty in Arlen says, really mourning the loss

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Speaker 2: of those OTAs. Was looking forward to reading about how

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Speaker 2: Malie Cunningham is tearing things up in shorts. But I

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Speaker 2: guess I'll have to wait before carving that bust for Canton.

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Speaker 2: That being said, I do think there are some interesting

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Speaker 2: things to watch for and OTAs, like what they do

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Speaker 2: with Cunningham, where Booty is on the depth chart, and

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Speaker 2: who is our left tackle? Got an early prediction for

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Speaker 2: any of those?

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Speaker 3: Sure, I think Cunningham will be fourth in line and

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Speaker 3: he'll be learning how to like hand the ball off

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Speaker 3: and do simple things like that. I don't think we'll

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Speaker 3: do see will just be kind of rudimentary. You know,

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Speaker 3: which was arded that he was out, which I think

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Speaker 3: who's the best or who you think. It's about who

1308
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 3: knows what they're doing, who can go out there and

1309
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 3: establish the baseline for the guys that don't know what

1310
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 3: they're doing. So James Ferns is a perfect guy at

1311
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 3: right guard to step in for Michael. And when you

1312
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 3: you know, as much as somebody might want to say,

1313
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 3: oh cities out, is you know getting a chance right

1314
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 3: at you know, I don't think that that's something that's

1315
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 3: gonna happen, but I will say that you know, with

1316
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 3: him when you we saw him and even in that ota,

1317
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 3: like it seems like he's in there a little bit,

1318
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 3: He's in the mix, like you didn't know what was

1319
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 3: going on, but you could tell that he was kind

1320
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 3: of picking things up and that they liked him.

1321
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 2: Speaking of a when you Jack and and Arba wants

1322
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 2: to know, is there a question whether Michael when you

1323
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 2: will recover fully from his offseason ankle injury.

1324
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 3: No, No, it sounded like you'd be okay.

1325
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 4: I mean I do think.

1326
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 3: I mean I'd floated. I if some of these rookies

1327
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 3: look really good, could you know, could he be moved

1328
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 3: where everybody wants to talk about us going and signing

1329
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 3: a wide receiver going into you know, his last year

1330
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 3: his deal, but you know, could they be on the

1331
00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 3: other end of that, could they say we got a

1332
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 3: bunch of guards we know, and you could, you know,

1333
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 3: maybe get us something back that we need, even if

1334
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 3: it's a you know, a Day two draft pick. That

1335
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 3: might be a little bit crazy, but even still I think.

1336
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 5: I mean, they've done it before. I think that the

1337
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 5: biggest yearhead trade in terms of rookie contract expired, like

1338
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 5: Chandler Jones, right, you know, trading him into year four.

1339
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 5: Jamie Collins was already in season, but he was on

1340
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 5: year four of the rookie deal and got dealt. So

1341
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 5: it's not it's not totally out of the realm for

1342
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 5: them to do something.

1343
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 2: Like he's wondering because of the ankle injury to the

1344
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 2: Patriots know something. That's why they drafted so many interior guys.

1345
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't think so.

1346
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 3: I don't think so, but I do. It still strikes

1347
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 3: me strange that they drafted three guys that, to me

1348
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:41,439
Speaker 3: are interior guys.

1349
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 2: Tim in New Hampshire, I have an autographed Tom Brady

1350
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 2: football that I got twenty years ago. It's an official

1351
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 2: ball with the logo super Bowl thirty six and thirty eight.

1352
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 2: Do you have any idea how much it's worth? And

1353
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 2: now is the best time to sell well. The fact

1354
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 2: that he's getting involved with Mark Davis drive down the

1355
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 2: value of Tom Brady merch.

1356
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 3: I would sit on that sucker. But I'm not an

1357
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 3: expert on these kind of things because I think I

1358
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 3: have a Tom Brady sign ball too. But I think

1359
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 3: you need to get it like authenticated, and you need

1360
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 3: to make sure that that everybody is, you know, confirmed

1361
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:13,959
Speaker 3: that it's real.

1362
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 5: It's like in Pond Stars when they bring in the

1363
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 5: autograph expert to make sure that it's it's really the

1364
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 5: I don't know. I wouldn't get rid of it.

1365
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 3: No, it's not going to go down to value.

1366
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 5: I think it's also just like I don't know, unless

1367
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 5: someday it's like thousands of dollars, which I don't think

1368
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 5: it ever really will be, because there's probably a lot

1369
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 5: of Tom Brady autographed stuff out there. I don't know.

1370
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 5: I think it's more valuable to just have.

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01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 3: It I'm displaying. I'm still sitting on three or four

1372
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 3: Barry Sanders rookie cards from my football card collecting days,

1373
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 3: as well as Dean Sanders. I got a couple d

1374
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 3: On Sanders score rookie cards. Every now and then, I'll look,

1375
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 3: I gotta actually go get up here. We got a

1376
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 3: card place up here. I'd love to just take them

1377
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 3: in and be like, we got to get those graded. Money,

1378
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 3: get them graded. Yeah, I got a few or something

1379
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 3: if you get them bread.

1380
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 5: My uncle gave me his collection of basketball cards when

1381
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 5: I was growing up, and there's a few. It's mostly

1382
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 5: from like the eighties and nineties, and there's a few

1383
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 5: good ones in there, a few, you know, Michael Jordan's

1384
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 5: and birds and things.

1385
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 3: Like that, so you never know he's gonna be good.

1386
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 2: Matt and Boston. I was looking at some Vegas odds

1387
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 2: for the upcoming season. Max season total for passing yards

1388
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 2: is three two hundred and seventy five and a hay.

1389
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 2: That's an average of one hundred and ninety three yards

1390
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 2: for seventeen games. Personally, I think that's disrespectful. Or are

1391
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 2: they assuming he won't play all seventeen games? What do

1392
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 2: you think of this line?

1393
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1394
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 4: I mean, I can kind of.

1395
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 3: I'm not a big good Zilinger, but I have been

1396
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 3: dabbling and looking back at last season a little bit.

1397
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 3: I've watched just some recaps because I'm out, Like Paul,

1398
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 3: I don't have the the game book installed into my

1399
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 3: prefrontal cortex or whatever it's called. But I mean, I

1400
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 3: would they. I think he threw for over three hundred

1401
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 3: yards in like two or three games last year. I

1402
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 3: mean it was close. They were under three hundred yards

1403
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 3: mostly so I I mean, I think that number is

1404
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 3: probably about where it should be last year.

1405
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 2: Adrian from Delaware says, what are your opinions when fans

1406
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 2: of a sports team refer to said team as we

1407
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 2: or us? Like why do we sign this player? The

1408
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 2: offense let us down? Blah blah blah. I find the

1409
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 2: wording or phrasing from sports fans irritating.

1410
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 7: I know.

1411
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're a fan of the team, you

1412
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 2: feel like you're part of the team. That's the whole idea.

1413
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 2: I think people journalists get criticized, like if you're a

1414
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 2: beat writer for the Patriots, they get criticized when they

1415
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 2: say us or we are you know. But I think fans,

1416
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 2: you're supposed to say us. That's what you want. You're

1417
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 2: you should be invested in your team.

1418
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 3: I think so too. I wrote a whole blog post

1419
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 3: back when I was like with Bleacher Report, I think

1420
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 3: like just saying I think it's okay, Like if you're

1421
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 3: a fan of the team and you feel like you

1422
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 3: live and die with that team, you're part of that

1423
01:03:57,560 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 3: team in terms of the results. Like I don't, I

1424
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 3: don't don't really have a problem. I know in some

1425
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 3: context that can probably be annoying, you know, where somebody

1426
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 3: sounds like they're the one doing the playing and all

1427
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. But I generally don't have a

1428
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 3: problem with it. I think if you're a fan and

1429
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 3: you love the team and you're invested in everything they do,

1430
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 3: when you feel the wins and losses thing, you're part

1431
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 3: of the team. Yeah.

1432
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 5: I would never say we or us about the Patriots

1433
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 5: because I covered the paper.

1434
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 3: It's weird because we worked like here somewhere, like we

1435
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:23,440
Speaker 3: as the people that work.

1436
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 5: For But I wouldn't refer to it as like we

1437
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 5: were we did this, or we're on the field or

1438
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 5: in free agency or something. But like with the Celtics,

1439
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 5: it's it's we.

1440
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 3: I mean, it's we.

1441
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 5: Maybe I don't care about any of that.

1442
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 3: That's why the Patriots and it's like.

1443
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 2: We're gonna lose, Yeah, we're gonna lose. Mitch in Aubany,

1444
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 2: I think the whole thing, the whole losing two OTAs

1445
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 2: because of a meeting is absolutely ridiculous. It seems like

1446
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 2: the punishment is a bit severe. But my favorite thing

1447
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 2: to come out of this is people saying that, you know,

1448
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 2: the Patriots are taking the season seriously when they're already cheating.

1449
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 2: I don't believe they cheated all, but it is funny. Second,

1450
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 2: just wanted to check on the T shirt and if

1451
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 2: I need to send in my address again. So another

1452
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 2: person hasn't got his T shirt. Matt, what's going on?

1453
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:10,360
Speaker 5: Fault?

1454
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 3: Because I thought I send them all out.

1455
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 2: Mitch and all, but he check it out. So he

1456
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 2: still hasn't got his T shirt. Maybe the post office,

1457
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 2: maybe they're intercepting him because all that it could help.

1458
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 2: We have a big mailman following.

1459
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 5: Have we ever thought about selling merch for.

1460
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 2: We could at some point?

1461
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:31,959
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, just asked why we don't sell ye, sell merch?

1462
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 2: We could.

1463
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 3: I think training camp be a good opportunity to you know,

1464
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 3: we'll keep talking about T shirt gun you know.

1465
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, some some T shirts.

1466
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:40,920
Speaker 3: Some if we could launch a T shirt off of

1467
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 3: the side of the stadium to a fan down below.

1468
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 3: I think that would be a fun stunt.

1469
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 5: Well here here you hear the T shirt guy. If

1470
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 5: we had T shirts, you know some of.

1471
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:50,120
Speaker 3: It, I could whip one up and have e for sale.

1472
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:52,920
Speaker 5: About twenty of some of our best zingers too, you know,

1473
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 5: it can be be on a T shirt.

1474
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 2: We'd hit some lay in the back of the head,

1475
01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:59,200
Speaker 2: she'd fall forward and you know, break her neck and we'd.

1476
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 3: Get to and then she don Chile Stadium. I well,

1477
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 3: I think that there should be a Patriots Unfiltered shirt.

1478
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 3: I was, I was visioning the design for it. Of shoot,

1479
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 3: what do you call it? When it's eight three? What

1480
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 3: do you call Like outside of stores and bars, they

1481
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 3: have the facade, No, the signs that are all like

1482
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 3: one thing, uh, you know, one electric god on side,

1483
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 3: so kind of a Neon sign, you know, Patriots Unfiltered

1484
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 3: and then maybe like an on air sign and then

1485
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 3: underneath the World's original podcast you know.

1486
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 8: Have that.

1487
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 5: It's like the you're already coming up with ideas.

1488
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 3: That's my idea for that for the Patriots.

1489
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 5: I mean, look like at like barstool there there. Merch

1490
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 5: is a big part of their business.

1491
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 3: I mean it's like a requirement for them. Yeah, you

1492
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 3: got to like come up with T shirts and I

1493
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 3: don't know, how they haven't gotten.

1494
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 2: Well, you know how like some stores have since Yeah,

1495
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 2: they have that we could have like since you know,

1496
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine, World's.

1497
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 3: Original podcast since nineteen ninety nine. You know, I like it.

1498
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 2: Let's get back to the Ace ticket hut line. We'll

1499
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 2: go to Paul and Vancouver. What's up, Paul?

1500
01:06:58,080 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 21: Hey, Brad?

1501
01:06:58,880 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 9: How's it going?

1502
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 21: A chance to call in there quickly?

1503
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 9: Bred?

1504
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 21: Is the when you say about Bill, don't listen to

1505
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:10,840
Speaker 21: what he says, but what he does? Is that apply

1506
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:11,720
Speaker 21: to your show as well?

1507
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 2: I hesitate to answer, but what do you do? What

1508
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 2: do we do?

1509
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:20,440
Speaker 6: No? What you did?

1510
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 9: Fred?

1511
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 8: Was that this?

1512
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 2: Uh?

1513
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 21: You brought Andy Hart back there for little segments? So

1514
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 21: is that a Was that indication to the new talent

1515
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 21: to erase their game?

1516
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 5: Was that?

1517
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:29,920
Speaker 18: What?

1518
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 2: No, it's just convenience. He happened to be in the

1519
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 2: building doing something in the.

1520
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 3: Studio next Jo Fire, trying to motivate.

1521
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 4: Ba.

1522
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 2: It always makes for good content to get him in.

1523
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 3: You know, sure, I hope he's back this year.

1524
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 2: What are you doing?

1525
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:47,360
Speaker 3: Well?

1526
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 21: Just give us a war took a warning so we

1527
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:52,040
Speaker 21: can adjust our volume control.

1528
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 2: Before Well, he always comes in like hot, you know,

1529
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 2: and then like after twenty minutes, he loses his momentum

1530
01:07:58,240 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 2: shot at me.

1531
01:07:59,160 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 4: It's like a little kid.

1532
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:03,920
Speaker 21: All right, Well, Brett, since I haven't had a chance,

1533
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 21: I don't know when will have another one. But the

1534
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 21: last few shows just been talking about fans being hopeful. Okay,

1535
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 21: me right, I've been a fan since the Plunket days,

1536
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 21: all right, So I've suffered through two and fourteen one

1537
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 21: and fifteen seasons, all right, thinking my team is going

1538
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:23,040
Speaker 21: to win every single week. All right. I lost money

1539
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 21: in the freaking eighty five Super Bowl. But let's be

1540
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 21: realistic about where we are. We are stuck in the

1541
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 21: messy middle. Okay, this post Brady period, let's call it

1542
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 21: has been bought from the start, all right, because of

1543
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 21: something we all know. Paul Ferla was, you know, wrong

1544
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 21: so many times in a weekly basis. But the one

1545
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 21: thing we talking about was that we has the oldest

1546
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 21: roster at that time. We moved on for Beatty Brady. Now,

1547
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 21: I'm not going to eat still up for moving on

1548
01:08:56,320 --> 01:09:00,560
Speaker 21: from a forty year old quarterback. But with the oldest raw, no,

1549
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 21: we have to get younger. And I don't even see

1550
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 21: that right now. And if you're talking about hole. Well,

1551
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 21: let's for this season. Let's break down where we are.

1552
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 21: Let's go to the schedule night. Now, I think we

1553
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:16,880
Speaker 21: need to be a ten win team to get in

1554
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:20,639
Speaker 21: the playoffs. Look at our look at the schedule, Eagles

1555
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 21: fills twice, Chiefs zero and four. Let's split with the

1556
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 21: Jets and Dolphins two and two. Now we're two and six. Okay,

1557
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:31,640
Speaker 21: be a bit more optimistic with the mb three to

1558
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:36,599
Speaker 21: one again, the Cowboys, Giants, Steelers, Chargers. That's optimistic. Then

1559
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 21: we got to win out against the Saints, the Broncos,

1560
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:43,800
Speaker 21: the Raiders, pull to the Commanders to get to ten.

1561
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, we're obviously going to have to win a

1562
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:49,000
Speaker 2: few games that were underdogs.

1563
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 4: You know.

1564
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:51,920
Speaker 2: That's the only way, you know, because we are going

1565
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 2: to be underdogs in a lot of games. So you're

1566
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:55,599
Speaker 2: gonna have to turn that around.

1567
01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:57,640
Speaker 4: You don't think anybody.

1568
01:09:57,400 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 3: Has to do this?

1569
01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:01,559
Speaker 21: Yeah, if we look at this, like I came up

1570
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 21: with a very simple way of looking at teams about

1571
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:07,160
Speaker 21: if they improved from year to year. Right, if we

1572
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:10,639
Speaker 21: take your twenty two starters and like say six other

1573
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 21: players that are important, like you know, your third wide receiver,

1574
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:16,040
Speaker 21: swing tackle, whatever you want to make those six right,

1575
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:19,719
Speaker 21: and if you think about a starter, get the second contract.

1576
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:23,160
Speaker 21: He's in the league for seven years. So basically twenty

1577
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 21: two plus six is twenty eight seven years divided by four.

1578
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:29,200
Speaker 21: You're replacing four players every year, just replacing them, not

1579
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 21: really getting much better. And we had chained to tackle

1580
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 21: wide receivers, safety. Now you can throw in whatever, second

1581
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:37,479
Speaker 21: running back, second tight end.

1582
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 9: The guys were brought in.

1583
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 21: I think that's a watch. We're not getting any better

1584
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 21: from lobsters. So well, I don't know, you give me

1585
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 21: any kind of reason to think.

1586
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:52,040
Speaker 22: That Bill is actually going to turn this roster over

1587
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 22: and turn it all with Well, first of all, do

1588
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 22: you have a losing when you have a losing team,

1589
01:10:57,320 --> 01:11:00,240
Speaker 22: the only team the FANCI support is a young, up

1590
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:00,880
Speaker 22: and coming team.

1591
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 21: They're gonna lose. They're gonna lose the four here and

1592
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:05,639
Speaker 21: it's been three years. So where is the hope coming

1593
01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:06,040
Speaker 21: from here?

1594
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:06,400
Speaker 16: Breton?

1595
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:08,600
Speaker 2: I think the hope comes from that Bill O'Brien is

1596
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:11,080
Speaker 2: gonna make this offense better than it was last year.

1597
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:15,880
Speaker 2: That you know, the defense continued like the defense wasn't

1598
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 2: bad last year, the defense continues to get better. Uh,

1599
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 2: you know this guy Key on white Man. If he

1600
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 2: comes in and he can help that defensive line, I

1601
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:28,639
Speaker 2: think I think you've got something going there. You've got

1602
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:31,840
Speaker 2: one of the best safety cornerbacks in the draft and

1603
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 2: Christian Gonzales. You know, the defense I think can be

1604
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 2: better than it was last year. And I think we

1605
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:41,439
Speaker 2: are all assuming that the offense is gonna be better

1606
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 2: than it was last year just because of O'Brien and

1607
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:47,560
Speaker 2: you know, and if that means Mac is you know,

1608
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 2: if that helps Mac in his third year, there's hope.

1609
01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 2: I mean, basically, I'm saying that we could see something

1610
01:11:57,200 --> 01:12:01,560
Speaker 2: this season that we that we haven't seen yet because of,

1611
01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:05,280
Speaker 2: you know, just the improvement that Bill O'Brien brings. We

1612
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:11,000
Speaker 2: haven't seen an offense yet with a quarterback who knows

1613
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:14,599
Speaker 2: what he's doing. I mean, even in Match's rookie year,

1614
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 2: he wasn't that great. He was good for a rookie,

1615
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:19,680
Speaker 2: but he faded down the line for him to be

1616
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:22,200
Speaker 2: better in his third year, he's going to be much

1617
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 2: better than he was his rookie year. We're not hoping

1618
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 2: that he goes back to that, but he can be

1619
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:30,200
Speaker 2: I think he can. I think there's hope. I think

1620
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:33,559
Speaker 2: that you know, I think there's pieces on this offense

1621
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:37,720
Speaker 2: that haven't played to their potential, and the hope is

1622
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:42,080
Speaker 2: that they do this year. It could be an utter disaster.

1623
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:45,400
Speaker 2: It could be, but the hope is that the players

1624
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:48,840
Speaker 2: they have on offense play to the potential we thought

1625
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:50,240
Speaker 2: that they had when we signed them.

1626
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 21: All right, but Fred, aren't we like looking at look

1627
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:58,040
Speaker 21: at the Bills Bills games. He took their foot off

1628
01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:01,000
Speaker 21: the accelerator at the end of the game. So you're

1629
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 21: telling me that the hole basically is, instead of losing

1630
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 21: thirty five to Pad, we're gonna lose like forty two eight.

1631
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 2: They took their foot off the accelerated because they weren't

1632
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:14,599
Speaker 2: scared of us scoring. They weren't scared of us scoring.

1633
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 21: We're going to get better on offense. Well, it's not

1634
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:18,920
Speaker 21: score ten points, we'll score twenty eight points, but we're

1635
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:19,559
Speaker 21: still gonna lose.

1636
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:21,320
Speaker 2: But what if you what if you combine that with

1637
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:25,920
Speaker 2: the defense getting even better, you know, and what if.

1638
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:29,880
Speaker 5: His different if Yeah, what if.

1639
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:31,719
Speaker 2: Gonzales is really good and what if the pass rush

1640
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:34,200
Speaker 2: is that much better? They can contain a mobile quarterback,

1641
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 2: you know, because they have a little bit more speed

1642
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:39,280
Speaker 2: on defense and and all of a sudden like it's

1643
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:42,720
Speaker 2: a game. It's a game, you know, Like like you know.

1644
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:45,639
Speaker 3: They need you guys to stop. They need guys to stop.

1645
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 21: Were Brad, you're telling me we're putting everything on success

1646
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:53,920
Speaker 21: this year on rookie We have not seen it.

1647
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:56,439
Speaker 2: So that's where the whole And also, like I'm saying

1648
01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:59,559
Speaker 2: that Christian Barmore has a better year than he had

1649
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 2: last year. You know, guys that they've already had, you know,

1650
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:05,679
Speaker 2: step up and play better.

1651
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:07,640
Speaker 3: They have to. That's I mean, that's the point. Like

1652
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 3: you look, you're right. If everybody guy on the roster

1653
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:11,920
Speaker 3: plays exactly like they did last year or worse, they're

1654
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 3: gonna be bad. They're gonna be worse. But you hope

1655
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 3: that with better coaching. And clearly this is what the

1656
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 3: coaches think, that a better, actual competent, experienced offensive coordinator

1657
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:22,799
Speaker 3: is going to put guys in position.

1658
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:23,760
Speaker 4: I mean, look at last year.

1659
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:26,400
Speaker 3: It was a mess. They couldn't get plays off. They

1660
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 3: were not coordinated in any sense of the word. So

1661
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:31,120
Speaker 3: I know we're putting a lot of eggs in this basket,

1662
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:33,120
Speaker 3: but I do think it's a significant one based on

1663
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 3: how bad things work.

1664
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 2: You know, and I hear what you're saying. But you know,

1665
01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:38,640
Speaker 2: Bill Parcells would always say that each side of the

1666
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:41,000
Speaker 2: ball gives the other side hope. So if you're the

1667
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:42,439
Speaker 2: defense last year.

1668
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 5: But it is any much hope? Did you have any

1669
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:47,840
Speaker 5: is anybody selling Paul or anybody else on them being

1670
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:50,200
Speaker 5: a super Bowl team? Like, I don't understand where all that, right,

1671
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:52,639
Speaker 5: the like feistiness comes from on the call.

1672
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:55,759
Speaker 3: That they didn't do enough that they wanted he wanted

1673
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:56,639
Speaker 3: more Ei.

1674
01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:58,880
Speaker 2: I mean, he's looking at the schedule, which is fair,

1675
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 2: and saying we're not as good as a lot of

1676
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:03,679
Speaker 2: these teams in the schedule. Where are the wins going

1677
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:04,280
Speaker 2: to come from?

1678
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 3: And none of us can tell me he's wrong. I mean,

1679
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:07,080
Speaker 3: you know that's my point.

1680
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:09,560
Speaker 5: No one's saying that that that no one's picking in

1681
01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:11,280
Speaker 5: the finish fourteen and three.

1682
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:15,040
Speaker 2: I choose, I choose not to expect them to all

1683
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 2: of a sudden, right I have. I have hope that

1684
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 2: these guys improve, you.

1685
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:22,799
Speaker 3: Know, And it's but it's so hard to and why else.

1686
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:24,760
Speaker 2: What's his put to me? What's the point of going

1687
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 2: into the season without hope?

1688
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 18: Right?

1689
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 3: Like, and and it's so easy to just say, well,

1690
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 3: We're gonna lose the Kansas City. We're gonna lose the

1691
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:32,040
Speaker 3: Buffalo twice. Like you don't know, Like I mean, IM

1692
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 3: sure if you want to be like take the negative

1693
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:35,600
Speaker 3: view of it, of course, But what you know, you

1694
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:37,920
Speaker 3: get to the December and all of a sudden, oh,

1695
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 3: you know, quarterback who was a superstar isn't playing because

1696
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:42,840
Speaker 3: he's hurt. Like I mean, things just change. You want

1697
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:44,439
Speaker 3: to get yourself so worked up that they're going to

1698
01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 3: be just as bad.

1699
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:48,080
Speaker 2: And I've heard people and not people from New England

1700
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:51,960
Speaker 2: national people saying, you know, Buffalo's window could be closing,

1701
01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:55,320
Speaker 2: you know. And I've heard that well, and it's not

1702
01:15:55,479 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 2: New England fans saying that it's it's National pundits.

1703
01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 5: I just look at you know, we were talking about

1704
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:04,479
Speaker 5: this earlier, Mike, all the games last year. The optimism

1705
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:07,360
Speaker 5: that I have with the team, I'm not overly optimistic,

1706
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:09,599
Speaker 5: but the optimism that I have is that there were

1707
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:13,200
Speaker 5: so many games last year that were winnable. They were

1708
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:16,040
Speaker 5: we were talking about the Raiders game, the Vikings game,

1709
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:18,439
Speaker 5: the Bengals game, like just go on down the line

1710
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:21,719
Speaker 5: of these games where not only did they just lose

1711
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 5: close games they lost them in epic fashion in some cases, so.

1712
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:27,800
Speaker 2: They beat themselves.

1713
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:30,800
Speaker 5: If you all of a sudden can turn some of

1714
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:33,000
Speaker 5: those games, not all of them, You're not gonna go

1715
01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 5: completely perfect from going what you were last year to that.

1716
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:40,000
Speaker 5: But if you can win fifty percent of the games

1717
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 5: that you lost that it were coin flips last year,

1718
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 5: then all of a sudden, it's a different team. Which

1719
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:46,600
Speaker 5: and I think that's where you have to be optimistic,

1720
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 5: is that as bad as certain things were about that

1721
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:53,040
Speaker 5: team last year, they were a play away from beating

1722
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 5: the Bengals. They were a play away from beating the Raiders.

1723
01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 5: They were a play away from beating Minnesota. I mean,

1724
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 5: Fred and I were air in Minnesota. Fred, if they

1725
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:03,960
Speaker 5: if Hunter Henry scores a touchdown there, who the heck knows,

1726
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:08,160
Speaker 5: Like that's the whole season might have changed, honestly, because

1727
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:08,600
Speaker 5: that was.

1728
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:11,439
Speaker 2: He actually did score, that's right, they just didn't rule it.

1729
01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 5: That way, right, So if all of these things, that's

1730
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:16,120
Speaker 5: what you have to hold your hat on. I think

1731
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:18,280
Speaker 5: if you're a Patriot fan and you want to be optimistic,

1732
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 5: is that those were really unorthodox type of losses that

1733
01:17:24,360 --> 01:17:26,639
Speaker 5: if you can start flipping some of these close games

1734
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:29,400
Speaker 5: and winning a few of those late, then maybe you

1735
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:31,280
Speaker 5: have a different football team that's you know, and.

1736
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 2: Now on paper, I would you know, you can make

1737
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:37,679
Speaker 2: the argument that this season schedule's tougher than last season's schedule,

1738
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:40,879
Speaker 2: and that could be true, but maybe where the Patriots

1739
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 2: are just a little bit better, you know, and then

1740
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:46,080
Speaker 2: like Evan says, you don't make the same mistakes that

1741
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:48,360
Speaker 2: you did last year, and all of a sudden, you know,

1742
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:51,599
Speaker 2: instead of eight wins, you got ten wins.

1743
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 8: You know.

1744
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:54,840
Speaker 3: I mean, I think my hope is in a precarious

1745
01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:56,759
Speaker 3: spot right now. And I mean it's just to Evan's

1746
01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:58,840
Speaker 3: point what we were talking about upstairs was and kind

1747
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:00,719
Speaker 3: of just I went back, like I said, I looked

1748
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:02,120
Speaker 3: at some of the games. It was every time the

1749
01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:04,679
Speaker 3: game was there for the taking, they crapped their pants,

1750
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:06,840
Speaker 3: you know, and like and as Evan said, like in

1751
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:09,200
Speaker 3: epic fashion, Like there were so many times in those

1752
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:12,000
Speaker 3: games where it's like here's like the Ravens game, there

1753
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:14,280
Speaker 3: it is for the taking. Nelson Ageloor fumbles it. I mean,

1754
01:18:14,479 --> 01:18:16,439
Speaker 3: you ran through the other games. There's just so many

1755
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 3: games like that, and of course they're not all gonna

1756
01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:20,760
Speaker 3: go the other way. But in some ways, I feel

1757
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:22,920
Speaker 3: like that's the only real big difference between twenty twenty

1758
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:25,200
Speaker 3: two and twenty twenty one was like in twenty twenty one,

1759
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:27,000
Speaker 3: they made some of those plays in some of those games,

1760
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:27,599
Speaker 3: you know, right.

1761
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:30,320
Speaker 5: So I just I go back to the Bengals game.

1762
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:34,000
Speaker 5: You were down I think twenty to nothing at halftime, right,

1763
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:35,920
Speaker 5: you got to come all the way back to make

1764
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:38,599
Speaker 5: it a game late, and then probably your best player

1765
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:41,320
Speaker 5: on offense fumbles on the ten yard line. I use

1766
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:44,160
Speaker 5: the game like well, in the feeling in the stadium

1767
01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:48,360
Speaker 5: in that moment when they were driving was maybe some tepoism,

1768
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:50,720
Speaker 5: just because we've seen them kind of crap down their

1769
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 5: leg before. In this ere u you had the momentum, Yeah,

1770
01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:56,880
Speaker 5: but it really I mean, Marcus Jones has a pick six.

1771
01:18:57,680 --> 01:18:59,680
Speaker 5: It was it was really one of those games where

1772
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 5: it felt like all of a sudden, everything was going

1773
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 5: to Patriot Patriot's way until it didn't. So if Madre

1774
01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:07,120
Speaker 5: doesn't fumble at the ten yard line and you go

1775
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:09,559
Speaker 5: in and score, then it's just you never.

1776
01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 3: Know, right, And it's just that's where I'm living though,

1777
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:13,559
Speaker 3: because I look at a team and when you when

1778
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:16,000
Speaker 3: I think about a team that when you have the

1779
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:18,240
Speaker 3: opportunity to win the game, you can't do it. And

1780
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:20,560
Speaker 3: not only can you not do it, you're actually like

1781
01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:22,799
Speaker 3: hurting yourself. Like it wasn't even like they just couldn't

1782
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:24,680
Speaker 3: do it, they fell short. It was like no, they

1783
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:28,160
Speaker 3: actually like had major brain farts that cost them the game.

1784
01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:30,320
Speaker 3: And so I guess my question of where my hope

1785
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:34,120
Speaker 3: is right now is, you know, Ken Bill O'Brien, wipe

1786
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:36,320
Speaker 3: that all away and get this as a team that

1787
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 3: has that laser focus that when the game is on

1788
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:41,200
Speaker 3: the line and therefore the taking that they're able to

1789
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:43,599
Speaker 3: play at their absolute peak level. And yeah, I don't

1790
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:45,879
Speaker 3: know that they can get Like I have real concerns

1791
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:49,679
Speaker 3: that that energy isn't easily gotten back just by swapping

1792
01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:52,839
Speaker 3: out the offensive coordinator and all right, now we understand

1793
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:54,519
Speaker 3: what the plan is on offense, Now we can get

1794
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:57,960
Speaker 3: behind this playbook that you're trying to run. That's where

1795
01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:00,240
Speaker 3: I'm like a little precarious. We got to get out there.

1796
01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:02,400
Speaker 5: And because that's often times I think a lot of

1797
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:05,640
Speaker 5: people make a lot out of myself, included roster talent, right,

1798
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:08,120
Speaker 5: and just do you have a better team on paper

1799
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:10,639
Speaker 5: than the team that you're going against. But unless you're

1800
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:13,320
Speaker 5: a really really bad team, like a team that's gonna

1801
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:15,479
Speaker 5: win two or three games, a lot of the times,

1802
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:18,559
Speaker 5: what separates the good teams from the teams that are

1803
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:21,719
Speaker 5: eight and nine are just these little things in the margins.

1804
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:26,240
Speaker 5: It's close games, it's finishing late. It's you know, stopping

1805
01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 5: Derek Carr going down the field instead of giving up

1806
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:31,920
Speaker 5: a touchdown drive and then Jacoby Myers never happens, right,

1807
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:35,280
Speaker 5: it's Ramandra Stevenson not fumbling. It's these little things like

1808
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:39,160
Speaker 5: that that often separate from you going ten and seven

1809
01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:39,800
Speaker 5: in an eight.

1810
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:44,519
Speaker 2: To nine penalties destroying drives. Yeah, you know, spiin Fresno,

1811
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:47,680
Speaker 2: says Hope, Hope. There's only so much Billy Oh can

1812
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:51,240
Speaker 2: spackle over. Contrary to the earlier email about this being

1813
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:53,400
Speaker 2: the most exciting time to be a Patriots fan, I

1814
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:56,280
Speaker 2: find this a pretty rough time. The offense seems like

1815
01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 2: a house of cards. Mac is a non versatile pocket

1816
01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:02,920
Speaker 2: passers slow and needs everything perfect. The old line has

1817
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:05,679
Speaker 2: a new coach, unproven players with them. When you coming

1818
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:08,960
Speaker 2: off an ankle surgery, and as Mike might say, there's

1819
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:11,639
Speaker 2: the ferens of it all and Joe Judge is still

1820
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:14,840
Speaker 2: lurking in the background waiting to ruin something. Too many

1821
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 2: things could easily go wrong. Yeah, I mean, I mean,

1822
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:21,240
Speaker 2: that's one way of looking at it, and then.

1823
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:22,559
Speaker 5: You can surprise speed.

1824
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:26,439
Speaker 3: But there's also the hey, Christian Barmoer is going to

1825
01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:28,240
Speaker 3: have a bounce back here and have that breakout here

1826
01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:29,960
Speaker 3: that we thought he was going to have, like Fred said,

1827
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:31,519
Speaker 3: and key On White is going to be a great

1828
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 3: compliment to him. And you know, even just watching some

1829
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:35,840
Speaker 3: of the games from last year, the lack of just

1830
01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:38,680
Speaker 3: I mean, Christian Gonzalez like he already to me, just

1831
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:41,320
Speaker 3: makes your secondary better, like just by how he moves

1832
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 3: just theilit and he gives you and.

1833
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:47,720
Speaker 2: Then you know, assuming everyone's healthy, people can play in

1834
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:50,880
Speaker 2: the right positions. You know, it's a domino effect. He's

1835
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:54,400
Speaker 2: your outside guy there, you know, and so he allows

1836
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:56,960
Speaker 2: people to start playing where they should play.

1837
01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:04,679
Speaker 5: They there's a lot of because I think we work

1838
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:06,200
Speaker 5: for the team, let's be honest. So I think a

1839
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:08,599
Speaker 5: lot of people think, oh, your optimism is Pom Pom

1840
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:11,559
Speaker 5: waving or whatever. But there's a lot of national people,

1841
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:14,040
Speaker 5: like Fred was saying about the bills that look at

1842
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:16,760
Speaker 5: this Patriots defense and like, this was already a top

1843
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:19,640
Speaker 5: five defense statistically last year, and I like some of

1844
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:21,320
Speaker 5: the pieces that they brought in. You know, Mina Chimes

1845
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:24,360
Speaker 5: was tweeting about it yesterday, Like, you guys realize that

1846
01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 5: the Patriots defense last year was pretty much top five

1847
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:30,120
Speaker 5: in every efficiency metric as it is. And now they

1848
01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 5: bring into Christian Gonzales, and they bring in Keon White

1849
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:35,799
Speaker 5: and maybe Marty Map who contributes this year, maybe he doesn't.

1850
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:38,040
Speaker 5: But the point being is is that that was already

1851
01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:41,760
Speaker 5: a pretty good defense on paper already, and now they

1852
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:43,719
Speaker 5: bring in these rookies. And I get that the rookies

1853
01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:45,920
Speaker 5: haven't played at all, but it's the rookies are icing

1854
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:48,920
Speaker 5: on the cake, their cherries on top. The defense was

1855
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:51,200
Speaker 5: already pretty solid even without them.

1856
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:54,040
Speaker 3: So like I expect that key On White will be

1857
01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:57,679
Speaker 3: better than Daniel quality as right, like second interior pass

1858
01:22:57,720 --> 01:22:58,320
Speaker 3: rush kind of guy.

1859
01:22:58,320 --> 01:22:58,360
Speaker 2: You.

1860
01:22:58,400 --> 01:22:59,760
Speaker 3: So, I mean, I don't think it's crazy to think

1861
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 3: that they and improve. I just think the defense's problem

1862
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:04,120
Speaker 3: was the same thing that I just talked about. When

1863
01:23:04,120 --> 01:23:05,800
Speaker 3: they had a chance to close the game out, When

1864
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:07,720
Speaker 3: they have a chance to win it, they didn't do it.

1865
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:10,960
Speaker 3: So it's kind of that recurring theme for this whole team,

1866
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:13,200
Speaker 3: and it's not an easy fix of you know, oh,

1867
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:15,080
Speaker 3: we just got to get all new players, like you

1868
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:17,599
Speaker 3: just can't do it like that. But I totally get

1869
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:21,840
Speaker 3: the caller people calling in saying on paper, personnel wise,

1870
01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:25,000
Speaker 3: it doesn't look like they did enough, and I totally

1871
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:27,679
Speaker 3: understand that. I just think you have to respect Bill

1872
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:29,800
Speaker 3: O'Brien and at least give it a chance to see

1873
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:31,840
Speaker 3: what it looks like, because we got out there in

1874
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:33,519
Speaker 3: the spring last year and you could tell early on

1875
01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:35,920
Speaker 3: that and I didn't want to believe it, like I'm like,

1876
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:38,240
Speaker 3: everyone's making a big deal out of this, let's just

1877
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:40,439
Speaker 3: wait and see. But it was true. It was true.

1878
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:43,120
Speaker 3: Those struggles were evident from day.

1879
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:44,519
Speaker 4: One, faster from day one.

1880
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:49,000
Speaker 2: John Rice in I'm surprised Evan believes the Patriots will

1881
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:50,960
Speaker 2: go eight to nine because he thinks the Patriots will

1882
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:53,640
Speaker 2: have an elite defense along with a solid offense. My

1883
01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:57,080
Speaker 2: personal opinions the Patriots defense will be top five along

1884
01:23:57,160 --> 01:24:00,639
Speaker 2: with a top fifteen to top twelve offense. I believe

1885
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 2: the Patriots will win ten games. Those wins will come

1886
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:07,040
Speaker 2: in weeks two, three, five, six thirteen, fourteen, sixteen, and eighteen.

1887
01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:07,360
Speaker 7: Got it.

1888
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:09,240
Speaker 5: I don't know if I think the offense is gonna

1889
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:11,799
Speaker 5: be good yet. I think the offense will be more competent,

1890
01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:16,120
Speaker 5: which I think right, which I think helps you from

1891
01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:20,560
Speaker 5: just a baseline standpoint of hopefully all the things we

1892
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 5: just rattled off don't happen. So maybe you win some

1893
01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:26,360
Speaker 5: of those closer games. Maybe you when you need that

1894
01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:29,320
Speaker 5: drive late in the game, maybe it's well better orchestrated

1895
01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:32,400
Speaker 5: by Bill O'Brien and you've practiced that situation a little

1896
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:34,840
Speaker 5: bit more, and yeah, and you have a little bit

1897
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 5: better idea of it. But I think they're gonna be

1898
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:39,320
Speaker 5: really good on defense. I'm not ready to say a

1899
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:41,040
Speaker 5: leade because everybody gets triggered.

1900
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:41,599
Speaker 4: By the word elitie.

1901
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:46,000
Speaker 5: Oh right, so I'm not gonna say the word elite.

1902
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:47,960
Speaker 5: I think they're gonna be a really good defense. I

1903
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:49,920
Speaker 5: think that they will be a competent offense. And I

1904
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:52,719
Speaker 5: think it comes down to Mac Jones. If Matt Jones

1905
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:55,320
Speaker 5: takes a leap and Mac Jones is goes from being

1906
01:24:55,439 --> 01:24:58,680
Speaker 5: an average to below average to a good quarterback in

1907
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:01,400
Speaker 5: the NFL, then yeah, they they could win ten games.

1908
01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:02,920
Speaker 3: That was another thing watching some of these games, just

1909
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:06,320
Speaker 3: going back, it was like there was just a smattering

1910
01:25:06,439 --> 01:25:09,080
Speaker 3: of play calls where you're like, what was that? Ye,

1911
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:12,120
Speaker 3: like offensive play calls where I've never seen anything like

1912
01:25:12,200 --> 01:25:14,600
Speaker 3: that that they were just trying something stupid that like

1913
01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:17,320
Speaker 3: totally what was the one I'm forgetting now? I might

1914
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:19,160
Speaker 3: have been a two point conversion against Baltimore, I think

1915
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:21,479
Speaker 3: where Mac had tried to like like Remandre tried to

1916
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:23,320
Speaker 3: like run it in and they tried to do something

1917
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:25,960
Speaker 3: sneaky with Remandre then he like then Mac got it

1918
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:27,720
Speaker 3: and Mac was trying to run it. I mean, just

1919
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:29,240
Speaker 3: there are a lot of that stuff. It just I

1920
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 3: don't think you'll see it this year.

1921
01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:32,639
Speaker 5: We talked about it there At the time, it felt

1922
01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:35,439
Speaker 5: like they were just randomly picking plays out.

1923
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:37,360
Speaker 3: Of a hat, like now we're just going to bring

1924
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:37,760
Speaker 3: them together.

1925
01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:39,719
Speaker 5: Now, we're just gonna do this, and now we're gonna

1926
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:43,800
Speaker 5: do that now, and there's no sequencing. There was no like, oh,

1927
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:47,160
Speaker 5: we did this earlier, so we're gonna compliment this piece

1928
01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:49,160
Speaker 5: of it by doing that. There was there was none

1929
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:51,080
Speaker 5: of that. So that's what you hope you get back.

1930
01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:52,880
Speaker 3: That's like what and then I mean I give Josh

1931
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:55,760
Speaker 3: compliment that just I mean, Bill O'Brien is cunning, like

1932
01:25:55,880 --> 01:25:58,120
Speaker 3: he sees what he wants to do. He can set

1933
01:25:58,240 --> 01:26:00,960
Speaker 3: things up, he can put you in unwinnable positions, and

1934
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:04,639
Speaker 3: I just I do wonder about I mean, Bill Belichick

1935
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:06,640
Speaker 3: obviously you knows football offense, and you know, just what

1936
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:08,720
Speaker 3: was he seeing last year? Like what was you know,

1937
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:12,160
Speaker 3: like how frustrating was it for him? Because I imagine

1938
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:15,040
Speaker 3: like the play calls to him probably seemed okay, right, Like,

1939
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:17,160
Speaker 3: I mean, they're not calling plays that he doesn't believe in,

1940
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:20,840
Speaker 3: But was there enough like you're to your point of

1941
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:23,960
Speaker 3: that setting things up? And just as guys in position,

1942
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:25,400
Speaker 3: it was just like now we're going to do this,

1943
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:27,439
Speaker 3: and now we're going to do this, and didn't feel

1944
01:26:27,479 --> 01:26:28,280
Speaker 3: like it a purpose.

1945
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 5: Like in a individually the play calls, the designs of

1946
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:35,200
Speaker 5: the plays might have been sound, but they had nothing

1947
01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:36,880
Speaker 5: to do with each other. There was so there was

1948
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:40,240
Speaker 5: no system, and like that's that's how you build offenses.

1949
01:26:40,360 --> 01:26:42,280
Speaker 5: Just having that in defense too, just having like a

1950
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:45,120
Speaker 5: baseline a foundation of this is what we do, and

1951
01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:47,880
Speaker 5: everything branches off of what we do. And then there

1952
01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:51,080
Speaker 5: was obviously issues within the details, you know, route running

1953
01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:53,960
Speaker 5: and reads and timing and all that kind of stuff too.

1954
01:26:54,040 --> 01:26:58,800
Speaker 5: But from a schematic perspective, it just felt like they

1955
01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:01,160
Speaker 5: were trying to play the hit. It's from like every

1956
01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:03,479
Speaker 5: single Oh, now we're gonna run outside zone. Now we're

1957
01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:05,519
Speaker 5: gonna run gap, Now we're gonna run this play.

1958
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:07,240
Speaker 4: Now we're gonna run that identity as we can do

1959
01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:09,720
Speaker 4: everything right, and that was that was never gonna work.

1960
01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:14,200
Speaker 2: Let's see. Georgia Maryland says, I personally think this Rogers

1961
01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:18,200
Speaker 2: Jets thing is overblown. He's washed ZAPPI took him to

1962
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:22,000
Speaker 2: overtime last year with no offensive coordinator in Green Bay

1963
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:24,519
Speaker 2: and now he's in New York with Nathaniel as his

1964
01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:27,960
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator. What am I missing here?

1965
01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:31,080
Speaker 3: Well, I think you got better at the the you know,

1966
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:32,720
Speaker 3: at the end of the year when he started to,

1967
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:35,040
Speaker 3: you know, find a little bit of rhythm with that offense.

1968
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:37,320
Speaker 3: But you know, this's just I just for me. You

1969
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:39,560
Speaker 3: very well might be right, And I think it just

1970
01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:42,040
Speaker 3: goes back to Paul's point of they've got some good

1971
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:43,760
Speaker 3: talent there and Amon Rodgers. I don't think he needs

1972
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:46,519
Speaker 3: to play at an MVP level for them to you know,

1973
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:48,479
Speaker 3: potentially be better than the Patriots. I think he just

1974
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:50,559
Speaker 3: needs to be able to, you know, manage the team

1975
01:27:50,680 --> 01:27:52,880
Speaker 3: and get the ball. But they've got a nice mix

1976
01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:54,840
Speaker 3: of young guys and guys that he's played with, and

1977
01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:56,599
Speaker 3: I think just the offensive line will be the question.

1978
01:27:56,680 --> 01:27:58,360
Speaker 3: And if they can protect him and keep them.

1979
01:27:58,360 --> 01:28:01,400
Speaker 5: Healthy, that would be one thing worried about, Like is

1980
01:28:01,479 --> 01:28:03,639
Speaker 5: he going to be too reliant on like Alan Lazard,

1981
01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:08,120
Speaker 5: you know, because like it's his Yeah, I don't think

1982
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:10,439
Speaker 5: it would be like if you don't throw to Garrett Wilson,

1983
01:28:10,439 --> 01:28:12,720
Speaker 5: you're an idiot, right like that that's on you. But

1984
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:15,760
Speaker 5: but it's like some of like the other pieces that

1985
01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:16,599
Speaker 5: they have there.

1986
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:17,840
Speaker 4: And I don't know.

1987
01:28:18,240 --> 01:28:20,559
Speaker 5: I just he just seems like such a head case

1988
01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:23,680
Speaker 5: to me that I just it wouldn't surprise me if

1989
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:25,840
Speaker 5: he ends up phasing somebody out that that shouldn't be

1990
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:26,479
Speaker 5: phased out.

1991
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:31,840
Speaker 2: I can only hope for the worst. William and Philim,

1992
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:32,559
Speaker 2: what's up? William?

1993
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:34,000
Speaker 8: Hey?

1994
01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:34,360
Speaker 15: Fred?

1995
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:35,240
Speaker 4: How you doing all right?

1996
01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:39,840
Speaker 23: I have I have so many things I want to say,

1997
01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:42,000
Speaker 23: but I'm have to just piggy bank off with the

1998
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:43,960
Speaker 23: car is said, So that just knocked off what I

1999
01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:49,639
Speaker 23: want to say. Basically, I'm with that car is staying

2000
01:28:49,680 --> 01:28:51,519
Speaker 23: town too. I'm here, I'm looking at the roster too,

2001
01:28:52,439 --> 01:28:54,720
Speaker 23: and i mean having in front of me, I'm going

2002
01:28:54,720 --> 01:28:58,200
Speaker 23: at the roster, the schedule, and I'm just like everything,

2003
01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:01,880
Speaker 23: everything y'all just said is everything seems Mike is based

2004
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:05,080
Speaker 23: off of if, well, what if Mike does this? What

2005
01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:07,799
Speaker 23: if tykwarn Thorn does that? And what if Bill O'Brien

2006
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:10,680
Speaker 23: is just gssary and off And I'm sitting here like,

2007
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:13,320
Speaker 23: this is where we at now at this.

2008
01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:16,640
Speaker 2: Point, Yes, Williams, that is where we're at. We're a

2009
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:19,880
Speaker 2: team that hasn't been that good. So the first year

2010
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:23,439
Speaker 2: that we are good, things are going to have to

2011
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:26,840
Speaker 2: happen that haven't happened yet. So yeah, that's where we are.

2012
01:29:27,479 --> 01:29:30,880
Speaker 2: That that's but that's the only way we're gonna get Like,

2013
01:29:31,560 --> 01:29:33,800
Speaker 2: the guys are gonna have to get better. Like, yeah,

2014
01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:37,439
Speaker 2: maybe we can draft of, you know, the next Tom Brady,

2015
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:39,960
Speaker 2: but that ain't happening like in the near future. So

2016
01:29:40,360 --> 01:29:43,240
Speaker 2: in order to get good, Yeah, guys that they've signed

2017
01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:46,320
Speaker 2: are gonna have to play to their potential. Young guys

2018
01:29:46,360 --> 01:29:49,599
Speaker 2: that they drafted are gonna have to play well. And yeah,

2019
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:52,400
Speaker 2: that that's how they're gonna get better. It hasn't happened yet,

2020
01:29:53,320 --> 01:29:56,080
Speaker 2: so you can't say, oh, we've seen it, so it

2021
01:29:56,160 --> 01:30:00,760
Speaker 2: will happen. No, it's it's based on hope, you know.

2022
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:03,680
Speaker 23: It's just you know, it's I just don't want to

2023
01:30:03,680 --> 01:30:05,840
Speaker 23: see this team take like four steps back again. I

2024
01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:07,120
Speaker 23: don't want to see that.

2025
01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:09,840
Speaker 2: Absolutely no, you don't want that. But you're hoping that.

2026
01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:13,360
Speaker 2: You know, when you draft Christian Gonzales and key On White,

2027
01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:17,320
Speaker 2: that that's not stepping back. That's building for the future.

2028
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:21,240
Speaker 2: That's but it's home. You don't know Christian Gonzalez could

2029
01:30:21,240 --> 01:30:25,920
Speaker 2: be a ballion. Yeah, but but you know that's that's it.

2030
01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:30,120
Speaker 23: That's why I like you know what I mean, You know,

2031
01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:31,600
Speaker 23: you keep me on a positive.

2032
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:37,559
Speaker 5: It's sports, you know, but I do I want William

2033
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:37,920
Speaker 5: How old?

2034
01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:43,080
Speaker 3: Are you just curious? I'm gonna.

2035
01:30:43,080 --> 01:30:45,840
Speaker 5: I'm gonna because I'm I'm wearing this myself too, like

2036
01:30:46,920 --> 01:30:50,360
Speaker 5: my thirty and under, like my age. We haven't been

2037
01:30:50,439 --> 01:30:54,000
Speaker 5: through a rebuilt, like we've never experienced this before, right,

2038
01:30:54,120 --> 01:30:56,479
Speaker 5: Like I and I think a lot and even people

2039
01:30:56,520 --> 01:30:59,360
Speaker 5: that are older than me, I think forget right, Like

2040
01:30:59,400 --> 01:31:01,080
Speaker 5: we just had to our calling and said he's been

2041
01:31:01,120 --> 01:31:03,360
Speaker 5: a fan since Jim Plunkett. Like, so you don't remember

2042
01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:06,160
Speaker 5: what it was like to be a mediocre team like that,

2043
01:31:06,360 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 5: you know, like that right, Like you know, I just

2044
01:31:11,040 --> 01:31:13,679
Speaker 5: that that I think is interesting that I do feel

2045
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:17,120
Speaker 5: like guess what, like, yes, you are like everybody else,

2046
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:19,000
Speaker 5: like you do have to hit on your draft picks

2047
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:21,120
Speaker 5: and you do have to hope things end up being

2048
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:24,080
Speaker 5: good instead of bad, and like that's just the way

2049
01:31:24,200 --> 01:31:30,760
Speaker 5: that life is when you don't have Tom Brady. Rightmore timeline, Yeah,

2050
01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:32,080
Speaker 5: I mean we got one more things.

2051
01:31:32,160 --> 01:31:35,519
Speaker 23: Yeah, yeah, just one more thing that said. Look, I

2052
01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:37,600
Speaker 23: know I call it there sometimes and it is not

2053
01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:40,559
Speaker 23: so much towards you, but it's towards really uh, Evan,

2054
01:31:40,720 --> 01:31:44,000
Speaker 23: And I not be busting your chops sometimes. Just no,

2055
01:31:44,160 --> 01:31:45,160
Speaker 23: you know you're okay with.

2056
01:31:45,320 --> 01:31:45,920
Speaker 9: Me, you know what I mean.

2057
01:31:47,320 --> 01:31:48,000
Speaker 3: They're a great car.

2058
01:31:48,280 --> 01:31:52,759
Speaker 2: But no, William, you've had some of the best calls.

2059
01:31:52,840 --> 01:31:53,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, we love it.

2060
01:31:54,280 --> 01:31:57,439
Speaker 3: Great energy, so yell at us sometimes and that makes.

2061
01:31:57,240 --> 01:32:03,040
Speaker 5: Me I appreciate people like, well you absolutely, thank you, William.

2062
01:32:03,960 --> 01:32:05,880
Speaker 2: Uh one more call then I got to go to

2063
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:06,439
Speaker 2: the bathroom.

2064
01:32:06,479 --> 01:32:10,680
Speaker 5: Tina is in Indiana, What guys, nothing much?

2065
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:11,200
Speaker 24: How are you guys?

2066
01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:13,320
Speaker 3: Doing okay good.

2067
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:15,639
Speaker 24: Uh listen, I just wanted to have a shout out

2068
01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:20,160
Speaker 24: for the one email you read on Tuesday. I think

2069
01:32:20,280 --> 01:32:23,439
Speaker 24: more women should write it and call in, and it

2070
01:32:23,560 --> 01:32:26,760
Speaker 24: made me feel good. But my thing is is that

2071
01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:29,479
Speaker 24: I I have learned so much from you guys listening

2072
01:32:29,520 --> 01:32:31,439
Speaker 24: to your podcast. Now I can watch a game and

2073
01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:32,080
Speaker 24: go they're.

2074
01:32:31,920 --> 01:32:32,479
Speaker 2: In cover two.

2075
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:38,040
Speaker 24: So so thank you for all your all your teaching points.

2076
01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:40,880
Speaker 24: I appreciate it. But my thing is, you're kind of

2077
01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:42,920
Speaker 24: still on my thunder we were just talking about. But

2078
01:32:43,479 --> 01:32:47,880
Speaker 24: you got to have hope. Hope you have nothing, you know,

2079
01:32:48,120 --> 01:32:51,479
Speaker 24: Like I go to the Colts game because to see

2080
01:32:51,520 --> 01:32:54,320
Speaker 24: the other teams basically, but I went to see I

2081
01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:56,400
Speaker 24: went to see them play Kansas City last year.

2082
01:32:56,760 --> 01:32:57,240
Speaker 3: They won.

2083
01:32:58,439 --> 01:32:59,840
Speaker 24: I mean, you just don't.

2084
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:00,200
Speaker 9: Oh.

2085
01:33:00,280 --> 01:33:01,960
Speaker 24: I thought they were going to get their butt handed

2086
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:04,280
Speaker 24: to them and they didn't. So I just want to

2087
01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:07,960
Speaker 24: tell everybody out there, you know we're gonna get a couple.

2088
01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:11,200
Speaker 24: You know we're gonna be fine, and just.

2089
01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:15,519
Speaker 2: Keep thanks for the quality. You know, here's where you

2090
01:33:15,640 --> 01:33:19,680
Speaker 2: don't have hope. When your ownership or top management are

2091
01:33:19,960 --> 01:33:22,439
Speaker 2: a bunch of idiots. That's when you don't have hope

2092
01:33:22,479 --> 01:33:24,280
Speaker 2: because you just know they're going to screw it up.

2093
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:26,800
Speaker 2: We don't have to worry about that here. I mean,

2094
01:33:27,520 --> 01:33:30,400
Speaker 2: Robert Kraft wants to win more than we do, and

2095
01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:34,519
Speaker 2: he ain't gonna stop demanding that until it happens. So

2096
01:33:35,479 --> 01:33:37,560
Speaker 2: you know that gives you hope too. But when you

2097
01:33:37,680 --> 01:33:42,640
Speaker 2: have incompetent management, then it trickles down and then I

2098
01:33:42,720 --> 01:33:45,040
Speaker 2: can understand losing hope. But we don't have to worry

2099
01:33:45,080 --> 01:33:45,680
Speaker 2: about that here.

2100
01:33:45,960 --> 01:33:47,760
Speaker 3: You're so right, and I mean I don't need to

2101
01:33:47,880 --> 01:33:50,759
Speaker 3: name teams, but if you have an owner that doesn't

2102
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:52,560
Speaker 3: really want to win and just wants to kind of

2103
01:33:52,600 --> 01:33:55,000
Speaker 3: make money, and you feel like, hey, even when we

2104
01:33:55,120 --> 01:33:57,160
Speaker 3: actually do hit on these draft picks, that it's not

2105
01:33:57,240 --> 01:33:59,400
Speaker 3: really gonna matter because they're not going to stay here anyway,

2106
01:33:59,439 --> 01:34:01,000
Speaker 3: because this guy is not going to pay anybody.

2107
01:34:01,160 --> 01:34:05,280
Speaker 2: The owner of the Boston Red Sox, you know, like oh,

2108
01:34:05,560 --> 01:34:07,760
Speaker 2: like you know, you look at the Detroit Lions for years,

2109
01:34:07,880 --> 01:34:10,160
Speaker 2: like the owners were kind of hands off, and so

2110
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:12,920
Speaker 2: they put Matt Millan as the GM and he's a

2111
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:16,040
Speaker 2: disaster and they just won't change it because he's a

2112
01:34:16,160 --> 01:34:19,120
Speaker 2: nice guy. They like him and they don't want to

2113
01:34:19,160 --> 01:34:22,200
Speaker 2: fire him. And so like you're a Lion fan AND's like,

2114
01:34:22,240 --> 01:34:25,120
Speaker 2: what are we doing? We've got to do something, you know,

2115
01:34:25,320 --> 01:34:28,240
Speaker 2: and that makes you lose hope, you know.

2116
01:34:28,520 --> 01:34:30,519
Speaker 3: I mean we're you know, we we're still connected to

2117
01:34:30,720 --> 01:34:32,920
Speaker 3: you know, the last twenty years. But I have full

2118
01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:35,599
Speaker 3: confidence in you know, everything that the Crafts have done

2119
01:34:35,680 --> 01:34:38,280
Speaker 3: for this team, for this area. I mean, I've said

2120
01:34:38,280 --> 01:34:40,360
Speaker 3: it a hundred times. When I grew up, that stadium

2121
01:34:40,479 --> 01:34:42,880
Speaker 3: was the scariest place on earth to me, and now it's,

2122
01:34:43,280 --> 01:34:44,680
Speaker 3: you know, a place that you bring your kids in.

2123
01:34:44,760 --> 01:34:46,639
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just a center to this whole area.

2124
01:34:46,760 --> 01:34:49,240
Speaker 2: So and it's no coincidence that tomorrow is payday.

2125
01:34:50,360 --> 01:34:51,880
Speaker 3: Hope that I'll still come through, but I mean, but

2126
01:34:52,120 --> 01:34:54,160
Speaker 3: you know, everything aside and even working here, I mean,

2127
01:34:54,200 --> 01:34:57,000
Speaker 3: it's just like that that to me, everything he's done

2128
01:34:57,000 --> 01:34:58,400
Speaker 3: for this area. And I know how much he loves

2129
01:34:58,439 --> 01:35:00,320
Speaker 3: this team, and I know how much Jonathan loves the team,

2130
01:35:00,360 --> 01:35:02,360
Speaker 3: and I know that you know, when when it does

2131
01:35:02,439 --> 01:35:04,880
Speaker 3: come time to move past Bill, that they're going to

2132
01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:07,200
Speaker 3: have high expectations still and you know, old.

2133
01:35:07,080 --> 01:35:09,160
Speaker 2: Them us said it, but the record of the team

2134
01:35:09,479 --> 01:35:12,040
Speaker 2: is a reflection on them. They believe that. So like

2135
01:35:12,200 --> 01:35:14,760
Speaker 2: if you're eight and nine. They're eight and nine. They

2136
01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:15,280
Speaker 2: don't like that.

2137
01:35:16,040 --> 01:35:18,160
Speaker 3: They don't like that, And I think that's what people forget.

2138
01:35:18,200 --> 01:35:20,679
Speaker 3: And I mean you're using the Crafts as the example,

2139
01:35:20,760 --> 01:35:23,280
Speaker 3: which of course is true, but I mean like Bill

2140
01:35:23,320 --> 01:35:25,960
Speaker 3: wants to win too, like like I know, I know

2141
01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:27,920
Speaker 3: in his heart, like it isn't always the way we

2142
01:35:28,040 --> 01:35:29,800
Speaker 3: want it to be, and it's prickly, and you know,

2143
01:35:30,200 --> 01:35:32,040
Speaker 3: sometimes it feels like he's got a middle fact that

2144
01:35:32,040 --> 01:35:33,680
Speaker 3: I'll have with you on this because you know me

2145
01:35:33,800 --> 01:35:35,679
Speaker 3: with Bill right now, he's on my radar.

2146
01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:40,040
Speaker 5: The biggest thing with Bill is does he want to

2147
01:35:40,120 --> 01:35:42,160
Speaker 5: win at all costs still? Or does he want to

2148
01:35:42,200 --> 01:35:45,880
Speaker 5: win his way? Because the way where I think a

2149
01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:48,680
Speaker 5: lot of trying to kind of put into perspective what

2150
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:52,360
Speaker 5: people's frustrations are or is that this feels like a

2151
01:35:52,439 --> 01:35:55,920
Speaker 5: team that is going to have to win being fundamentally

2152
01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:59,200
Speaker 5: sound in all three phases and not being themselves probably

2153
01:35:59,320 --> 01:36:03,240
Speaker 5: really above average to really really good on defense, and

2154
01:36:03,439 --> 01:36:05,640
Speaker 5: have like an offense that can manage the game and

2155
01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:07,720
Speaker 5: then and then win in the in the kicking game.

2156
01:36:08,439 --> 01:36:10,400
Speaker 5: And I've heard a lot of like, oh, well, like

2157
01:36:10,520 --> 01:36:12,479
Speaker 5: this is kind of you know, two thousand and one

2158
01:36:12,640 --> 01:36:14,160
Speaker 5: was kind of like that, right where you have like

2159
01:36:14,439 --> 01:36:17,519
Speaker 5: a quarterback that doesn't beat himself and it's okay, but

2160
01:36:17,640 --> 01:36:22,200
Speaker 5: does that does that win at a high level anymore

2161
01:36:22,200 --> 01:36:22,840
Speaker 5: today's game?

2162
01:36:23,080 --> 01:36:23,320
Speaker 3: Does that?

2163
01:36:23,560 --> 01:36:26,200
Speaker 4: Does that? Is that going to be good enough?

2164
01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:30,120
Speaker 5: If they are serviceable on offense and not you know,

2165
01:36:30,280 --> 01:36:33,559
Speaker 5: not beating themselves on offense, really really good on defense

2166
01:36:33,880 --> 01:36:36,760
Speaker 5: and they have that advantage on special teams that still

2167
01:36:36,840 --> 01:36:38,920
Speaker 5: hold as much weight as it did twenty years ag And.

2168
01:36:38,920 --> 01:36:41,080
Speaker 2: How how long are you willing to not win to

2169
01:36:41,200 --> 01:36:41,759
Speaker 2: prove yourself?

2170
01:36:41,880 --> 01:36:42,360
Speaker 3: Right? Right?

2171
01:36:42,479 --> 01:36:42,640
Speaker 9: You know?

2172
01:36:42,920 --> 01:36:45,840
Speaker 5: Because if I, if I, if Bill wants to win

2173
01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:48,320
Speaker 5: at all costs, if that's like what the mantra is,

2174
01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:51,439
Speaker 5: then he would have traded for Jerry Judy, or traded

2175
01:36:51,479 --> 01:36:55,200
Speaker 5: for DeAndre Hopkins or you know, done some a couple

2176
01:36:55,240 --> 01:36:56,880
Speaker 5: of bigger splash lits.

2177
01:36:57,240 --> 01:37:01,160
Speaker 2: Truly believe that that's not gonna do it? I don't know.

2178
01:37:02,120 --> 01:37:03,000
Speaker 5: I think he does, truly.

2179
01:37:03,200 --> 01:37:04,360
Speaker 2: I'll be right back. I'll be quick.

2180
01:37:04,439 --> 01:37:06,519
Speaker 5: Well, I think he does truly believe that. I think

2181
01:37:06,560 --> 01:37:10,880
Speaker 5: he does still truly believe that that you don't need

2182
01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:13,639
Speaker 5: to light up the scoreboard to win like everybody else

2183
01:37:13,720 --> 01:37:15,840
Speaker 5: thinks that you do or not everybody else, but a

2184
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:16,519
Speaker 5: lot of people do.

2185
01:37:17,080 --> 01:37:20,639
Speaker 4: But the question is is that is he right still?

2186
01:37:20,760 --> 01:37:22,800
Speaker 3: Well? Right, well, I mean and do you think it's

2187
01:37:23,240 --> 01:37:25,599
Speaker 3: do you think that that I mean, you know, people,

2188
01:37:25,840 --> 01:37:28,479
Speaker 3: do you think asking a seventy year old at the

2189
01:37:28,640 --> 01:37:31,040
Speaker 3: top of his game, who has been at the absolute pinnacle,

2190
01:37:31,400 --> 01:37:33,479
Speaker 3: that you have to change your whole philosophy now if

2191
01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:35,600
Speaker 3: you really want to win, you know, and like, and

2192
01:37:35,680 --> 01:37:38,080
Speaker 3: I'm not you know, I'm obviously I agree with what

2193
01:37:38,160 --> 01:37:40,680
Speaker 3: you're saying. I think he thinks he's right, you know.

2194
01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:44,240
Speaker 3: I think he's one hundred percent sure that football is

2195
01:37:44,280 --> 01:37:47,040
Speaker 3: a cyclical game and things come back around, and yes,

2196
01:37:47,160 --> 01:37:49,880
Speaker 3: right now all the rage is high scoring offenses, and

2197
01:37:50,800 --> 01:37:52,439
Speaker 3: I you know, and then Paul, this is probably where

2198
01:37:52,439 --> 01:37:54,240
Speaker 3: Paul would chime in with something like we always need

2199
01:37:54,320 --> 01:37:57,200
Speaker 3: to be smarter than everybody else. But I think that

2200
01:37:57,320 --> 01:37:59,560
Speaker 3: that's how he views it, you know, like like, and

2201
01:37:59,640 --> 01:38:01,599
Speaker 3: we can talk talk about what I just I think

2202
01:38:01,640 --> 01:38:04,360
Speaker 3: the bottom line for me is that it absolutely crushes

2203
01:38:04,439 --> 01:38:06,560
Speaker 3: him every time this football team loses. Oh, I don't know.

2204
01:38:06,760 --> 01:38:08,920
Speaker 3: And and you know, we can talk about how he

2205
01:38:08,960 --> 01:38:11,280
Speaker 3: can do it, and we can say, yes, I do

2206
01:38:11,400 --> 01:38:13,160
Speaker 3: expect an old coach if he wants to stay in

2207
01:38:13,200 --> 01:38:15,360
Speaker 3: the league and continue to be successful, that you have to.

2208
01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:18,320
Speaker 3: But I also think that he would feel like, I'm

2209
01:38:18,400 --> 01:38:20,560
Speaker 3: just kind of following a fad right now instead of

2210
01:38:20,680 --> 01:38:22,880
Speaker 3: trying to, you know, put my stamp on it and

2211
01:38:22,920 --> 01:38:24,759
Speaker 3: do it my way. And you know, this is again

2212
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:27,759
Speaker 3: you're dealing with somebody though, who is like the pinnacle

2213
01:38:27,800 --> 01:38:29,439
Speaker 3: of his profession. So it's hard to you know, go

2214
01:38:29,560 --> 01:38:32,040
Speaker 3: to anybody in any profession and say, I know this

2215
01:38:32,120 --> 01:38:33,960
Speaker 3: has been great, and you know you're probably the greatest

2216
01:38:33,960 --> 01:38:35,800
Speaker 3: of all time to ever do this, but it's not

2217
01:38:35,880 --> 01:38:37,600
Speaker 3: working right now. You've got to change It's that's a

2218
01:38:37,720 --> 01:38:38,280
Speaker 3: huge thing.

2219
01:38:38,439 --> 01:38:41,240
Speaker 5: Like, yeah, I think that to do and I mean defensively,

2220
01:38:41,360 --> 01:38:44,599
Speaker 5: I think that he has evolved and they're as good

2221
01:38:44,640 --> 01:38:47,639
Speaker 5: as ever on defense. I honestly believe that. I think

2222
01:38:47,680 --> 01:38:50,840
Speaker 5: that it's offensively and it's like from a team building

2223
01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:54,960
Speaker 5: philosophy standpoint, and I know it's the college game versus

2224
01:38:55,000 --> 01:38:57,200
Speaker 5: a pro game, so it's different. But I keep going

2225
01:38:57,320 --> 01:39:00,519
Speaker 5: back to I think it was like twenty sixteen that

2226
01:39:00,680 --> 01:39:03,880
Speaker 5: Nick Saban said at a press conference good defense isn't

2227
01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:06,759
Speaker 5: good enough anymore, Like you can't win like that anymore.

2228
01:39:07,160 --> 01:39:10,920
Speaker 5: And that's when Alabama started recruiting all of the wide receivers, right,

2229
01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:14,080
Speaker 5: and they became wide receiver you overnight, and they became

2230
01:39:14,400 --> 01:39:17,200
Speaker 5: at school that had quarterbacks drafted in the first round.

2231
01:39:17,439 --> 01:39:21,120
Speaker 5: Alabama never had quarterbacks drafted in the first round until

2232
01:39:21,439 --> 01:39:23,960
Speaker 5: Tua and Mac Jones and then obviously Jalen Hurts the

2233
01:39:23,960 --> 01:39:26,160
Speaker 5: second round pick. But all these guys start to come

2234
01:39:26,240 --> 01:39:28,240
Speaker 5: through and now they're top picks. Bryce Young is the

2235
01:39:28,360 --> 01:39:32,080
Speaker 5: number one overall pick a quarterback out of Alabama. That

2236
01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:36,640
Speaker 5: wasn't the case fifteen years with physical questions right, like

2237
01:39:36,720 --> 01:39:39,800
Speaker 5: they were, you know, starting like guys like you know,

2238
01:39:40,720 --> 01:39:43,160
Speaker 5: you know, what's the guy that's now on ESPN that

2239
01:39:43,240 --> 01:39:46,400
Speaker 5: does college football for the Brocket. I don't know, yeah, girlfriend,

2240
01:39:46,600 --> 01:39:53,759
Speaker 5: yeah yeah, yeah no, yeah, but you know, I'm.

2241
01:39:53,640 --> 01:39:54,200
Speaker 4: Talking a J.

2242
01:39:54,320 --> 01:39:56,720
Speaker 5: McCarron of the world, right, Like they were starting those

2243
01:39:56,760 --> 01:39:59,960
Speaker 5: types of quarterbacks and now all of a sudden they evolved.

2244
01:40:00,200 --> 01:40:02,360
Speaker 3: This still feels like we're starting the AJ mccarren's.

2245
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:04,160
Speaker 5: With the right And I just wonder at what point,

2246
01:40:04,520 --> 01:40:06,519
Speaker 5: like who is is it? Is it Saban? Is it

2247
01:40:06,840 --> 01:40:10,280
Speaker 5: is it somebody else that can that maybe does get

2248
01:40:10,320 --> 01:40:14,120
Speaker 5: through to Bill to be a little bit more offensive

2249
01:40:14,200 --> 01:40:16,439
Speaker 5: focused and a little bit more high powered than that.

2250
01:40:16,520 --> 01:40:21,360
Speaker 2: Real difference, I would say between what Saban is saying,

2251
01:40:21,400 --> 01:40:24,200
Speaker 2: which is true you just look at College in the pros,

2252
01:40:24,320 --> 01:40:26,439
Speaker 2: is that you got to pay these guys in the pros.

2253
01:40:26,800 --> 01:40:30,000
Speaker 2: So when you get Jerry Judy, you got to pay them.

2254
01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:34,280
Speaker 2: You know, now College is starting to get that way,

2255
01:40:34,360 --> 01:40:36,800
Speaker 2: but the school doesn't have to. They get everybody else

2256
01:40:36,920 --> 01:40:37,360
Speaker 2: to pay them.

2257
01:40:37,479 --> 01:40:39,760
Speaker 5: You know, it's just ridiculous when you look at because

2258
01:40:39,760 --> 01:40:43,200
Speaker 5: there was a really clear line of demarcation with Alabama

2259
01:40:43,439 --> 01:40:46,200
Speaker 5: where that that switch flipped in Saban's brain, like we

2260
01:40:46,360 --> 01:40:48,840
Speaker 5: have to we have to light up the scoreboard, like

2261
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:50,800
Speaker 5: if we're gonna win, we have to do this. And

2262
01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:53,840
Speaker 5: all of a sudden, they had wide receiver rooms that

2263
01:40:54,040 --> 01:40:59,160
Speaker 5: were ridiculous, just like Jerry Judy, DeVante Smith, Henry Ruggs,

2264
01:40:59,240 --> 01:41:02,360
Speaker 5: Jalen Waddle all in the same wide receiver room. And

2265
01:41:02,560 --> 01:41:06,040
Speaker 5: because they realize that we have to put up points,

2266
01:41:06,320 --> 01:41:07,600
Speaker 5: there's no other way to do this.

2267
01:41:08,200 --> 01:41:10,880
Speaker 2: Joshua and Irvine says, I'd just like to say, I

2268
01:41:10,960 --> 01:41:14,639
Speaker 2: believe this team has a rock bottom floor of eight wins,

2269
01:41:14,920 --> 01:41:17,760
Speaker 2: and we have a really good shot at eleven. In

2270
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:20,920
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen to nineteen, the Patriots went from going all

2271
01:41:21,040 --> 01:41:24,120
Speaker 2: in to maximize Brady's window, and we have spent the

2272
01:41:24,240 --> 01:41:27,439
Speaker 2: last threeish year's cleaning house, getting rid of contracts and

2273
01:41:27,479 --> 01:41:31,160
Speaker 2: building a good staff again after all we lost. Please

2274
01:41:31,240 --> 01:41:33,760
Speaker 2: to the fans listening in, please chill out and give

2275
01:41:33,800 --> 01:41:37,080
Speaker 2: this team a chance. The constant crying and complaining into

2276
01:41:37,160 --> 01:41:40,439
Speaker 2: the show gets tiring. Take a five hundred foot bird's

2277
01:41:40,439 --> 01:41:43,000
Speaker 2: eye view of the last eight or so years, and

2278
01:41:43,160 --> 01:41:46,720
Speaker 2: especially the circumstances after Brady left. The Patriots are far

2279
01:41:46,840 --> 01:41:50,240
Speaker 2: from being in a bad position. We could be much better. Yes,

2280
01:41:50,760 --> 01:41:53,479
Speaker 2: but we're not the Jets, we're not the Commanders, and

2281
01:41:53,560 --> 01:41:54,920
Speaker 2: we're not the Texans, etc.

2282
01:41:56,560 --> 01:41:58,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, just go back to Bill for a second. I

2283
01:41:59,080 --> 01:42:02,040
Speaker 3: mean I for me, I put it like, I know

2284
01:42:02,120 --> 01:42:04,799
Speaker 3: we're talking kind of schematic evolution.

2285
01:42:05,200 --> 01:42:05,439
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2286
01:42:06,040 --> 01:42:08,439
Speaker 3: I also just I put so much weight on the

2287
01:42:08,520 --> 01:42:11,800
Speaker 3: miss drafts, like and we talked about Keen and as like,

2288
01:42:11,920 --> 01:42:14,160
Speaker 3: I just I think that they have messed up those

2289
01:42:14,280 --> 01:42:18,639
Speaker 3: drafts to epic degree. And I think to a large degree,

2290
01:42:18,760 --> 01:42:21,639
Speaker 3: like what you said overcoming it was, you know, almost

2291
01:42:21,680 --> 01:42:23,240
Speaker 3: a feather in the cap of like this is an

2292
01:42:23,240 --> 01:42:25,080
Speaker 3: eight nine team with an offense that doesn't even know

2293
01:42:25,120 --> 01:42:28,000
Speaker 3: what they're doing out there. So to me, I just

2294
01:42:28,040 --> 01:42:30,240
Speaker 3: think that that's something that I continue to harp on.

2295
01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:32,479
Speaker 3: It's just the drafts and if these young kids start

2296
01:42:32,520 --> 01:42:35,280
Speaker 3: to play, and you know, like William calt In, if

2297
01:42:35,360 --> 01:42:37,960
Speaker 3: these guys start to play and elevate and Marcus Jones,

2298
01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:39,639
Speaker 3: and you know, like this is how you get out

2299
01:42:39,680 --> 01:42:42,479
Speaker 3: of the basement. Like there's not like, well, this offseason,

2300
01:42:42,560 --> 01:42:44,000
Speaker 3: we bought a whole new team. We went out and

2301
01:42:44,120 --> 01:42:47,040
Speaker 3: just signed fifty three free agents and we rebuilt front,

2302
01:42:47,080 --> 01:42:48,320
Speaker 3: you know, and now we have suit Like it just

2303
01:42:48,360 --> 01:42:49,120
Speaker 3: doesn't work that way.

2304
01:42:49,320 --> 01:42:51,680
Speaker 2: I mean even the Rams, who they've done that, they

2305
01:42:51,920 --> 01:42:55,000
Speaker 2: they you know, but but they also drafted really they

2306
01:42:55,080 --> 01:42:55,560
Speaker 2: hit on it.

2307
01:42:55,800 --> 01:42:57,599
Speaker 3: When they have a first round pick, they pick Aaron

2308
01:42:57,640 --> 01:43:00,479
Speaker 3: Donald and when they're taking flyers, they get Cooper, you know,

2309
01:43:00,600 --> 01:43:03,559
Speaker 3: like those they just had. The Patriots haven't had those picks.

2310
01:43:03,640 --> 01:43:05,760
Speaker 3: And you know, if you're taking Gronk and Edelman out

2311
01:43:05,800 --> 01:43:07,920
Speaker 3: of the equation, if you took Chandler Jones and Dante

2312
01:43:08,000 --> 01:43:10,559
Speaker 3: Hytower out of the equation, they wouldn't have had three

2313
01:43:10,600 --> 01:43:12,519
Speaker 3: more Super Bowls. You know, Like they drafted well in

2314
01:43:12,640 --> 01:43:15,120
Speaker 3: that kind of in between period yea, and they were

2315
01:43:15,160 --> 01:43:15,479
Speaker 3: able to.

2316
01:43:15,479 --> 01:43:18,720
Speaker 5: Restart it just last year. Just all just holds such

2317
01:43:18,760 --> 01:43:22,920
Speaker 5: a weight on this team because I think a big

2318
01:43:23,040 --> 01:43:25,640
Speaker 5: reason why you know, we all wanted the number one

2319
01:43:25,720 --> 01:43:28,120
Speaker 5: wide receiver trade like we all wanted it. We wanted

2320
01:43:28,200 --> 01:43:31,360
Speaker 5: Jerry Judy. You know, I was lukewarm on Hopkins. Some

2321
01:43:31,400 --> 01:43:33,479
Speaker 5: people might be higher on that type of move for

2322
01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:37,040
Speaker 5: at his age and others, but that move would have

2323
01:43:37,439 --> 01:43:40,880
Speaker 5: made sense. You know that That's always the cherry on top,

2324
01:43:41,000 --> 01:43:43,640
Speaker 5: right when you have everything else, like you feel like

2325
01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:45,600
Speaker 5: everything else is in a good enough place that you

2326
01:43:45,680 --> 01:43:48,240
Speaker 5: can compete at a high level and then you drop

2327
01:43:48,320 --> 01:43:50,880
Speaker 5: aj Brown in, and you drop Stefon digs in, and

2328
01:43:51,000 --> 01:43:54,040
Speaker 5: you drop you know, players of that caliber in. But

2329
01:43:54,400 --> 01:43:57,920
Speaker 5: the Patriots, because they went backwards last year this offseason,

2330
01:43:58,160 --> 01:44:00,880
Speaker 5: it still feels like they're still building up to that point.

2331
01:44:01,240 --> 01:44:03,439
Speaker 5: And the bummer that I think is, you know, to

2332
01:44:03,560 --> 01:44:06,720
Speaker 5: be a little bit pessimistic, is that now the Mac

2333
01:44:06,800 --> 01:44:08,160
Speaker 5: Jones window on the.

2334
01:44:09,800 --> 01:44:12,240
Speaker 2: We've got to figure Mac Jones out. We've got to

2335
01:44:12,280 --> 01:44:13,800
Speaker 2: figure out at the end, you know, by the end

2336
01:44:13,800 --> 01:44:15,680
Speaker 2: of the season, we need we need to know, we

2337
01:44:15,840 --> 01:44:19,680
Speaker 2: need to know if he's the guy, Howard writes in

2338
01:44:19,800 --> 01:44:23,880
Speaker 2: from Connecticut. He says, God, I hate fans like Paul

2339
01:44:23,960 --> 01:44:27,519
Speaker 2: and Speed. Look, I get there, entitled to their opinions,

2340
01:44:27,560 --> 01:44:29,840
Speaker 2: but come on, why even be a fan if that

2341
01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:31,760
Speaker 2: is your view of the team. Well, who'said ever said?

2342
01:44:31,800 --> 01:44:35,559
Speaker 2: Paul's a fannd I have been a fan since Jim

2343
01:44:35,640 --> 01:44:39,439
Speaker 2: Plunkett was the qbing view each year as new and exciting.

2344
01:44:39,560 --> 01:44:41,600
Speaker 2: Specific to this year, you have to believe that the

2345
01:44:41,680 --> 01:44:44,439
Speaker 2: AL is going to be dramatically better with real coaching

2346
01:44:44,520 --> 01:44:47,200
Speaker 2: and an influx of talent. I'm not sure where the

2347
01:44:47,240 --> 01:44:50,160
Speaker 2: influx of talent is, but anyway, uh D will be

2348
01:44:50,280 --> 01:44:52,479
Speaker 2: better with new talent and speed, and they can now

2349
01:44:52,600 --> 01:44:56,320
Speaker 2: contend with and contain those high power offenses. Well, let's

2350
01:44:56,600 --> 01:44:59,280
Speaker 2: wait and see. I get this. I get that they

2351
01:44:59,320 --> 01:45:02,439
Speaker 2: are most likely not winning or even making the AFC

2352
01:45:02,600 --> 01:45:05,559
Speaker 2: Championship or Super Bowl, but you never know. I expect

2353
01:45:05,600 --> 01:45:08,000
Speaker 2: them to go ten and seven and with a little luck,

2354
01:45:08,080 --> 01:45:10,799
Speaker 2: eleven and six games are won by a handful of plays.

2355
01:45:11,040 --> 01:45:14,000
Speaker 2: Last year, those plays went against the Patriots. Maybe this year,

2356
01:45:14,160 --> 01:45:16,559
Speaker 2: with the new talent and coaching, they bounced the Patriots way.

2357
01:45:17,080 --> 01:45:20,120
Speaker 2: Who really knows, but damn the negativity from Patriots fans

2358
01:45:20,240 --> 01:45:23,559
Speaker 2: is draining and sad. Look at the Jets haven't won

2359
01:45:23,840 --> 01:45:27,240
Speaker 2: anything and he didn't use that word since nineteen sixty nine,

2360
01:45:27,560 --> 01:45:29,760
Speaker 2: and yet their fans think every year is the year.

2361
01:45:30,200 --> 01:45:32,960
Speaker 2: The negative New England fans are, in my honest opinion,

2362
01:45:33,120 --> 01:45:36,960
Speaker 2: ridiculous and sad. Why even bother rooting for the team,

2363
01:45:37,400 --> 01:45:40,000
Speaker 2: then go root, then go root for another team?

2364
01:45:40,680 --> 01:45:44,240
Speaker 5: Okay, Okay, well I don't I wouldn't go that far

2365
01:45:44,280 --> 01:45:45,840
Speaker 5: because I'm not going to tell people who to root for.

2366
01:45:46,040 --> 01:45:51,559
Speaker 5: But I do understand that the fan base, some people

2367
01:45:51,640 --> 01:45:54,360
Speaker 5: in the fan base want this to just be what

2368
01:45:54,479 --> 01:45:57,800
Speaker 5: it was, you know with Brady Overnight in Ninatut you're

2369
01:45:57,880 --> 01:46:00,519
Speaker 5: right again, just like they just that just not like

2370
01:46:00,640 --> 01:46:03,679
Speaker 5: you said, in perpetuity, like that's not realistic, Like welcome,

2371
01:46:03,800 --> 01:46:06,800
Speaker 5: welcome to the reality. Like this is what it's like

2372
01:46:06,960 --> 01:46:10,880
Speaker 5: to be a realistic football fan, is that your team

2373
01:46:11,000 --> 01:46:13,720
Speaker 5: is not We're not just talking about the Waltz to

2374
01:46:13,720 --> 01:46:15,559
Speaker 5: the AFC Championship Game every year.

2375
01:46:15,960 --> 01:46:16,040
Speaker 2: Now.

2376
01:46:16,080 --> 01:46:17,800
Speaker 3: It's funny as I think of like where we are,

2377
01:46:17,880 --> 01:46:19,439
Speaker 3: and you know, every team's in a different spot, but

2378
01:46:19,479 --> 01:46:21,320
Speaker 3: I just imagine, like you know, kind of where Buffalo

2379
01:46:21,479 --> 01:46:23,800
Speaker 3: is right now of like you feel like, look, we

2380
01:46:23,920 --> 01:46:26,800
Speaker 3: got the guy, we got the pieces. You can maybe

2381
01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:29,800
Speaker 3: see some cracks, like von Miller's coming back, but he's old.

2382
01:46:30,600 --> 01:46:32,960
Speaker 3: You know, you just lost the linebacker. You know, like

2383
01:46:33,040 --> 01:46:35,840
Speaker 3: like it's just it's so hard to keep it together

2384
01:46:35,960 --> 01:46:37,320
Speaker 3: and like as much as you know, it's just a

2385
01:46:37,360 --> 01:46:40,040
Speaker 3: common refrain. Now, well Bill tom Brady the whole time,

2386
01:46:40,120 --> 01:46:42,280
Speaker 3: like all right, well Tom Brady's a great quarterback, but

2387
01:46:42,400 --> 01:46:45,400
Speaker 3: there have been other great quarterbacks that aren't twenty year

2388
01:46:45,560 --> 01:46:49,519
Speaker 3: contenders consistently year in and year out. And that I

2389
01:46:49,640 --> 01:46:52,040
Speaker 3: think was a testament to the draft that they had,

2390
01:46:52,160 --> 01:46:55,679
Speaker 3: you know, and the ability to continue keeping it going.

2391
01:46:55,960 --> 01:46:58,200
Speaker 3: And yes, Brady is awesome and was certainly a huge

2392
01:46:58,240 --> 01:47:00,200
Speaker 3: part of it, but they're you know, look at Aaron

2393
01:47:00,240 --> 01:47:01,840
Speaker 3: Rodgers and the ups and downs of his careers and

2394
01:47:01,880 --> 01:47:04,120
Speaker 3: the bad years that he had. You know, the Bill

2395
01:47:04,240 --> 01:47:06,680
Speaker 3: does deserve some of that credit, but there's a lot

2396
01:47:07,000 --> 01:47:09,200
Speaker 3: that's where you get back now, that get back on

2397
01:47:09,240 --> 01:47:10,759
Speaker 3: that train to draft in those star players.

2398
01:47:11,280 --> 01:47:12,000
Speaker 4: I love Buffalo.

2399
01:47:12,160 --> 01:47:14,880
Speaker 5: I loveless watching their fan base on Twitter and stuff

2400
01:47:14,960 --> 01:47:17,400
Speaker 5: like that. To the big thing in Buffalo right now

2401
01:47:17,880 --> 01:47:20,680
Speaker 5: is what is Dalton kincate. Is he a tight end?

2402
01:47:20,800 --> 01:47:25,280
Speaker 5: Is he a slot receiver? Because because a big, large

2403
01:47:25,400 --> 01:47:27,200
Speaker 5: part of their fan base thinks that they needed a

2404
01:47:27,240 --> 01:47:30,519
Speaker 5: wide receiver, and they draft they drafted a tight end.

2405
01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:33,439
Speaker 5: But then the the you know, the people that think

2406
01:47:33,439 --> 01:47:35,839
Speaker 5: they're smarter than everybody. Doctor, Well, he is the smartest

2407
01:47:35,840 --> 01:47:37,840
Speaker 5: slot receiver. He's just in a tight end. But it's

2408
01:47:37,920 --> 01:47:40,479
Speaker 5: it's just great. They're imploding from the inside.

2409
01:47:41,080 --> 01:47:44,400
Speaker 2: Jack And says, I was a fan of Detroit until

2410
01:47:44,439 --> 01:47:47,679
Speaker 2: the Lions extended Matt Millan's contract as general manager after

2411
01:47:47,760 --> 01:47:50,439
Speaker 2: Millen had just presided over the worst five years in

2412
01:47:50,520 --> 01:47:52,759
Speaker 2: the history of the league. In response, I did something.

2413
01:47:53,000 --> 01:47:56,080
Speaker 2: I became a Patriots fan. There you go, welcome to

2414
01:47:56,160 --> 01:47:56,840
Speaker 2: the club, you go.

2415
01:47:58,479 --> 01:48:00,400
Speaker 3: It's just it's I mean, that's where where I was

2416
01:48:00,439 --> 01:48:02,519
Speaker 3: at when when things were humming here, it was just

2417
01:48:02,640 --> 01:48:04,519
Speaker 3: all right, you know, we just how do we get

2418
01:48:04,640 --> 01:48:06,560
Speaker 3: But when you've never gotten over, like you started this

2419
01:48:06,600 --> 01:48:09,519
Speaker 3: whole dynasty run with a win, so you already had

2420
01:48:09,520 --> 01:48:11,200
Speaker 3: gotten there once, so it was always just a matter

2421
01:48:11,240 --> 01:48:13,960
Speaker 3: of getting back. But for a team like Buffalo, where

2422
01:48:13,960 --> 01:48:15,920
Speaker 3: it's just like you have to get one right, Like

2423
01:48:16,000 --> 01:48:17,840
Speaker 3: you got to get a Super Bowl with Josh Allen

2424
01:48:17,920 --> 01:48:20,680
Speaker 3: and every year and even we saw with Brady it's

2425
01:48:20,720 --> 01:48:24,000
Speaker 3: like every year has their own challenges and Dan Marino right,

2426
01:48:24,040 --> 01:48:24,400
Speaker 3: like you just.

2427
01:48:24,560 --> 01:48:28,800
Speaker 5: You just never know if you're Buffalo. Sorry, I just

2428
01:48:28,840 --> 01:48:29,920
Speaker 5: love making fun of Buffalo.

2429
01:48:30,400 --> 01:48:33,080
Speaker 2: Let's get to the a ticket hutline. Eldred's on the phone.

2430
01:48:33,120 --> 01:48:47,400
Speaker 2: What's up? Eldred caused a ten car? What's up? I

2431
01:48:47,479 --> 01:48:50,160
Speaker 2: was driving down four yesterday there was like a fire

2432
01:48:50,360 --> 01:48:53,840
Speaker 2: in the Median, you know, like in the for you know,

2433
01:48:53,960 --> 01:48:57,719
Speaker 2: the foresty strip between the It was like a fire

2434
01:48:57,760 --> 01:48:58,080
Speaker 2: going on.

2435
01:48:58,200 --> 01:48:59,799
Speaker 4: And nobody else were there and everything.

2436
01:49:00,080 --> 01:49:03,360
Speaker 2: Fire department, Yeah, control burn anyway, go ahead, Eldred. I'm

2437
01:49:03,400 --> 01:49:04,960
Speaker 2: sure you've seen over the years.

2438
01:49:05,120 --> 01:49:08,120
Speaker 9: I want to I want to address that last emailer

2439
01:49:09,800 --> 01:49:12,800
Speaker 9: or Whippy doing the fans because they mad because they're losing,

2440
01:49:12,920 --> 01:49:15,880
Speaker 9: or they whipping and crying. Well, hell, I'm one of them, okay,

2441
01:49:16,640 --> 01:49:19,000
Speaker 9: and I've been a fan that Steve Grogan's Grogan's year,

2442
01:49:19,080 --> 01:49:22,080
Speaker 9: Rose Rby prior saying Bam Cunningham all them.

2443
01:49:22,240 --> 01:49:25,000
Speaker 2: Okay, you know, but but my problem is.

2444
01:49:25,479 --> 01:49:30,040
Speaker 9: Whatever was talking about earlier is still you know, he

2445
01:49:30,160 --> 01:49:31,400
Speaker 9: don't see it the way it used to.

2446
01:49:31,400 --> 01:49:32,719
Speaker 2: Be, like like it is changing.

2447
01:49:32,920 --> 01:49:35,519
Speaker 9: He still think it's back in the nineties and you

2448
01:49:35,800 --> 01:49:38,000
Speaker 9: really can't win that way. You know, you're gonna need

2449
01:49:38,000 --> 01:49:40,519
Speaker 9: that number one guy or you know, some talent. And

2450
01:49:40,600 --> 01:49:43,360
Speaker 9: then the draft, wh you said you missed on Deuce, Well,

2451
01:49:43,439 --> 01:49:45,800
Speaker 9: some of the guys that you drafted that that you

2452
01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:49,320
Speaker 9: are homegrown whatever. You didn't give him the second contract.

2453
01:49:49,880 --> 01:49:52,880
Speaker 9: You know, like, well when do you coming up? You

2454
01:49:52,960 --> 01:49:55,120
Speaker 9: know there's there's supposed to be some of your core,

2455
01:49:55,479 --> 01:49:58,000
Speaker 9: but you let them go to another team. And then

2456
01:49:58,200 --> 01:50:01,720
Speaker 9: when you do sign them, and that's no, that's the

2457
01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:04,040
Speaker 9: more rather than the team. That's one day that they

2458
01:50:04,200 --> 01:50:07,200
Speaker 9: get me first rate, the mostly field, the GM part, Yeah,

2459
01:50:07,400 --> 01:50:09,519
Speaker 9: coach love him. Jam I can't stand it.

2460
01:50:09,560 --> 01:50:13,040
Speaker 5: But yeah, I'm with Algra one hundred percent on the

2461
01:50:13,200 --> 01:50:16,640
Speaker 5: twenty twenty draft class. Guys, you finally hit on some

2462
01:50:16,800 --> 01:50:19,519
Speaker 5: players in the draft after such a long period of

2463
01:50:19,600 --> 01:50:22,439
Speaker 5: time where you had him run and yeah, josh U

2464
01:50:22,560 --> 01:50:25,679
Speaker 5: j might only be like a situational type player.

2465
01:50:25,760 --> 01:50:26,839
Speaker 3: He is our situation.

2466
01:50:27,320 --> 01:50:30,880
Speaker 5: But he's fantastic at his thing right, Like he's a

2467
01:50:31,000 --> 01:50:34,320
Speaker 5: really an elite pass rusher. He's a top end of

2468
01:50:34,720 --> 01:50:38,160
Speaker 5: talent at that position, in that role. And Kyle Duggart,

2469
01:50:38,160 --> 01:50:41,479
Speaker 5: there's Kyle Duggers should never wear another uniform, like you know,

2470
01:50:41,640 --> 01:50:45,080
Speaker 5: like Kyle, Kyle Dugger should be here for the next

2471
01:50:45,160 --> 01:50:47,400
Speaker 5: four years, just like he was here for the first four.

2472
01:50:47,800 --> 01:50:49,960
Speaker 5: And those are the type of guys that you gotta resign.

2473
01:50:50,040 --> 01:50:52,760
Speaker 5: Well anyway, I like, but he's a guard. So if

2474
01:50:52,800 --> 01:50:54,519
Speaker 5: you want to let go of the guard then and

2475
01:50:54,640 --> 01:50:56,519
Speaker 5: that's where you're gonna cut costs. And I can live

2476
01:50:56,560 --> 01:50:58,800
Speaker 5: with it. But Dugger and j are two guys that

2477
01:50:58,920 --> 01:50:59,759
Speaker 5: you should resign.

2478
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:01,560
Speaker 4: And it's hard on the on the shields of the

2479
01:51:01,640 --> 01:51:04,040
Speaker 4: twenty nineteen draft. That was a that was an over right.

2480
01:51:05,880 --> 01:51:08,240
Speaker 9: But that's that's my biggest greg with Grill with Bill,

2481
01:51:08,400 --> 01:51:10,639
Speaker 9: he just you know, he said, it's still back at him.

2482
01:51:11,240 --> 01:51:13,000
Speaker 9: And like I said, I'm gonna be honest with you,

2483
01:51:13,080 --> 01:51:14,559
Speaker 9: don't care if somebody get mad at me and knock

2484
01:51:14,800 --> 01:51:17,799
Speaker 9: and I had his out on the Facebook patron future.

2485
01:51:18,439 --> 01:51:21,000
Speaker 9: If he din't have Tom Brady, he'd be like Cleveland,

2486
01:51:21,040 --> 01:51:23,679
Speaker 9: he'd be out, he'd be out. And I'm still gonna

2487
01:51:23,680 --> 01:51:24,120
Speaker 9: stay there.

2488
01:51:24,080 --> 01:51:27,639
Speaker 2: All right, you know, Okay, all right, I'll think, Hey,

2489
01:51:27,800 --> 01:51:29,280
Speaker 2: all right, Aldrick, keep on trucking.

2490
01:51:31,479 --> 01:51:34,519
Speaker 5: Paul was out on Bill in like twenty sixteen, they're

2491
01:51:34,720 --> 01:51:35,559
Speaker 5: voting the Lombard.

2492
01:51:35,840 --> 01:51:37,760
Speaker 3: That is a good question when he was out on him.

2493
01:51:38,120 --> 01:51:40,439
Speaker 3: It's funny because I came in when it was already kind.

2494
01:51:40,320 --> 01:51:43,080
Speaker 2: Of uh, Paul writes in I just thought you might

2495
01:51:43,160 --> 01:51:46,639
Speaker 2: find this humorous. Antonio Brown has recently purchased the local

2496
01:51:46,760 --> 01:51:51,120
Speaker 2: Albany Empire Arena football team. His father, Touchdown Eddie Brown,

2497
01:51:51,240 --> 01:51:54,280
Speaker 2: played for the Albany team twenty years ago and still

2498
01:51:54,320 --> 01:51:56,880
Speaker 2: lives in the area. Since purchasing the team a few

2499
01:51:56,920 --> 01:51:59,880
Speaker 2: months ago, he has been through three head coaches. Keep

2500
01:52:00,040 --> 01:52:02,639
Speaker 2: in mind, the team won the championship the last two seasons.

2501
01:52:03,040 --> 01:52:05,559
Speaker 2: He named his father of the GM. He's been accused

2502
01:52:05,600 --> 01:52:08,400
Speaker 2: of stiffing the team dinner bill at a local restaurant.

2503
01:52:08,680 --> 01:52:11,439
Speaker 2: He was involved in an altercation with security guards at

2504
01:52:11,479 --> 01:52:14,360
Speaker 2: his own arena. There was a fistfight on the team bus,

2505
01:52:14,720 --> 01:52:17,240
Speaker 2: and he showed up uninvited at my son's local high

2506
01:52:17,280 --> 01:52:21,240
Speaker 2: school to promote the team on TikTok. Apparently he plans

2507
01:52:21,280 --> 01:52:24,040
Speaker 2: to actually play for the team this weekend. Here's hoping

2508
01:52:24,160 --> 01:52:25,439
Speaker 2: it doesn't go any better.

2509
01:52:25,520 --> 01:52:29,640
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, yeah, Antonio Brown, Where were you when

2510
01:52:29,680 --> 01:52:31,639
Speaker 3: they signed Antonio Brown? Here with the Patriots.

2511
01:52:32,040 --> 01:52:35,559
Speaker 2: That was like a what the man needs some therapy?

2512
01:52:35,880 --> 01:52:38,839
Speaker 4: He worried about John Morant.

2513
01:52:39,439 --> 01:52:42,400
Speaker 3: Way, you gotta just put the guns away, man?

2514
01:52:42,439 --> 01:52:42,479
Speaker 18: What?

2515
01:52:42,880 --> 01:52:45,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, a quick game?

2516
01:52:45,520 --> 01:52:48,920
Speaker 2: Where did I go to college? Patriots version? Ray Agnew.

2517
01:52:50,479 --> 01:52:51,479
Speaker 4: Way before my time?

2518
01:52:52,960 --> 01:52:58,400
Speaker 2: Wake Forest, North Carolina State, Max Lane. Come on, now,

2519
01:53:00,120 --> 01:53:00,840
Speaker 2: he didn't finish.

2520
01:53:01,479 --> 01:53:02,559
Speaker 3: Iowa Navy.

2521
01:53:03,600 --> 01:53:05,240
Speaker 2: Bobby Hamilton, No.

2522
01:53:05,960 --> 01:53:06,599
Speaker 4: Paul is not here.

2523
01:53:06,720 --> 01:53:09,640
Speaker 2: So these are all right a little a little bit

2524
01:53:09,720 --> 01:53:17,439
Speaker 2: more recent Keith Evans, auburn An, Matthew Slater, okay, and

2525
01:53:17,520 --> 01:53:21,080
Speaker 2: then one more old guy but maybe you know Steve Grogan.

2526
01:53:22,080 --> 01:53:24,639
Speaker 3: Oh, it's not like a weird one.

2527
01:53:25,400 --> 01:53:25,439
Speaker 21: No.

2528
01:53:25,800 --> 01:53:28,479
Speaker 3: No, Kansas State, Kansas State.

2529
01:53:28,600 --> 01:53:28,640
Speaker 18: No.

2530
01:53:28,840 --> 01:53:32,400
Speaker 3: I should have known that one. I knew that that duce.

2531
01:53:34,080 --> 01:53:39,200
Speaker 2: Let's see. Jake writes in from Australia. Uh trust us

2532
01:53:39,280 --> 01:53:41,360
Speaker 2: to lose two days of o t as for reasons

2533
01:53:41,400 --> 01:53:43,599
Speaker 2: that aren't available yet. But since then they've come out

2534
01:53:44,000 --> 01:53:47,639
Speaker 2: just wondering if now O'Brien is in whom we trust

2535
01:53:47,720 --> 01:53:50,240
Speaker 2: to save us? Do we know now say that Bill

2536
01:53:50,280 --> 01:53:53,840
Speaker 2: O'Brien and Bill O'Brien we trust or in teapot we

2537
01:53:53,960 --> 01:53:56,920
Speaker 2: trust as we can't say Bill, because that gives us.

2538
01:53:57,560 --> 01:54:00,720
Speaker 2: It gives too much credit to b b okay, so

2539
01:54:00,880 --> 01:54:03,400
Speaker 2: he's so in other words, what do how do we

2540
01:54:03,680 --> 01:54:04,120
Speaker 2: phrase it?

2541
01:54:04,280 --> 01:54:04,400
Speaker 6: Oh?

2542
01:54:04,479 --> 01:54:06,679
Speaker 3: I don't know. I just want to see some wins.

2543
01:54:06,760 --> 01:54:08,839
Speaker 3: I want to see some wins over some good teams,

2544
01:54:08,960 --> 01:54:10,840
Speaker 3: and you know, like I don't I don't care. I'll

2545
01:54:10,880 --> 01:54:12,880
Speaker 3: give credit af towards And if the offense is all

2546
01:54:12,880 --> 01:54:14,120
Speaker 3: of a sudden, I'm like lightening it up.

2547
01:54:14,160 --> 01:54:15,800
Speaker 4: I'll be like in Bill O'Brien, we trust.

2548
01:54:15,840 --> 01:54:17,800
Speaker 3: But if it's still kind of the same thing and

2549
01:54:17,880 --> 01:54:20,080
Speaker 3: the defense is shutting them down and then it's opportunistic

2550
01:54:20,160 --> 01:54:21,960
Speaker 3: at the end and pull it out like an old fashion,

2551
01:54:22,040 --> 01:54:23,040
Speaker 3: then all right and billbi trust.

2552
01:54:23,280 --> 01:54:26,040
Speaker 2: Also, I'm expecting my second child in the next couple

2553
01:54:26,120 --> 01:54:28,760
Speaker 2: of weeks and we're stuck for names. Any suggestions from

2554
01:54:28,800 --> 01:54:32,080
Speaker 2: the legends on board today? I don't know.

2555
01:54:32,240 --> 01:54:33,640
Speaker 3: Naming kids is tough.

2556
01:54:35,160 --> 01:54:41,160
Speaker 2: Don't don't name your kid a name for like a

2557
01:54:41,320 --> 01:54:45,200
Speaker 2: child name, you know what I mean, like Cody, and

2558
01:54:45,440 --> 01:54:46,000
Speaker 2: like Cody.

2559
01:54:46,120 --> 01:54:48,360
Speaker 10: We had a lot of Cody's fans, but like, like,

2560
01:54:50,920 --> 01:54:53,240
Speaker 10: assume that your child's going to become a man or

2561
01:54:53,280 --> 01:54:56,200
Speaker 10: a woman someday and don't name It's like you don't

2562
01:54:56,280 --> 01:54:58,360
Speaker 10: name them something that only applies.

2563
01:54:57,960 --> 01:54:59,160
Speaker 2: To a kid in grade school.

2564
01:54:59,240 --> 01:55:02,160
Speaker 3: You just go straight to Jack, you know, like Jack,

2565
01:55:02,240 --> 01:55:04,080
Speaker 3: and he's like a four year old name that he

2566
01:55:04,160 --> 01:55:06,880
Speaker 3: can live with. I mean, my kids are Tyson and Campbell.

2567
01:55:06,880 --> 01:55:09,520
Speaker 3: We wanted things that weren't like very common, but weren't

2568
01:55:09,640 --> 01:55:11,960
Speaker 3: like really off the beaten path. So you know, we

2569
01:55:12,040 --> 01:55:14,200
Speaker 3: went with American food companies for whatever reason.

2570
01:55:14,280 --> 01:55:17,200
Speaker 4: Okay, but I do call him Campbell soup.

2571
01:55:17,400 --> 01:55:19,280
Speaker 3: Well, you got pretty soupy.

2572
01:55:20,000 --> 01:55:21,640
Speaker 4: I didn't think it's like, I'm not gonning to call

2573
01:55:21,680 --> 01:55:22,920
Speaker 4: him chicken fingers.

2574
01:55:22,960 --> 01:55:26,360
Speaker 3: He's like chicken, yeah, chicken. Yeah, you got a new

2575
01:55:26,400 --> 01:55:27,160
Speaker 3: Jason in your life.

2576
01:55:27,280 --> 01:55:28,000
Speaker 5: You have a Jason.

2577
01:55:28,280 --> 01:55:29,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I uh so.

2578
01:55:30,160 --> 01:55:32,720
Speaker 5: My sister's name is Jackie and her husband's name is James.

2579
01:55:32,800 --> 01:55:38,760
Speaker 5: Congratulations to the parents. Six pounds six ounces, twenty inches long, lot,

2580
01:55:39,120 --> 01:55:42,240
Speaker 5: which is so he's he's built like my my sister's

2581
01:55:42,320 --> 01:55:44,800
Speaker 5: husband's family. We are not going you're not skinny and

2582
01:55:44,880 --> 01:55:45,360
Speaker 5: tall people.

2583
01:55:45,520 --> 01:55:47,480
Speaker 2: I think I think there's something to be said about

2584
01:55:47,840 --> 01:55:51,240
Speaker 2: naming your kid somebody from your family, you know, yeah,

2585
01:55:51,480 --> 01:55:53,360
Speaker 2: giving honor to somebody. Yeah.

2586
01:55:53,400 --> 01:55:55,520
Speaker 5: So Jason's named after my great uncle Jerry.

2587
01:55:56,080 --> 01:55:57,840
Speaker 4: And he's something too, that's nice.

2588
01:55:57,920 --> 01:56:00,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, And then his his name middle name is Carter,

2589
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Speaker 5: which is after James's mother.

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Speaker 2: You know, So I'm gonna name our daughter Zoe because

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01:56:05,400 --> 01:56:08,680
Speaker 2: she's gonna be a free spirit. Like she's also gonna

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Speaker 2: be a woman. You know.

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Speaker 3: You gotta get some more friends. We need some little

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01:56:12,920 --> 01:56:14,440
Speaker 3: friends out there, and there are a lot of little

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Speaker 3: Freddie's out there.

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Speaker 2: Fred's.

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Speaker 4: I think it's coming around.

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Speaker 2: I can't understand why someone wouldn't.

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Speaker 3: Name there, but that'd be cute. I feel like it's coming, like,

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Speaker 3: you know, now you'd see a little people, Well, what's

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01:56:23,200 --> 01:56:26,040
Speaker 3: his name for? This is Freddie? I don't know, Like

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Speaker 3: you know, there's like Gertrude's and things like that.

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Speaker 2: When my mother wouldn't let any of my friends call

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01:56:30,280 --> 01:56:32,360
Speaker 2: me Freddy, No Frederick.

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Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, so Jason, Jackie, James. So they kept with

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01:56:37,360 --> 01:56:42,320
Speaker 5: the j's, which I like, I pushed Julian I wanted

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01:56:42,400 --> 01:56:47,080
Speaker 5: Julian didn't get that. Still, and then there's a j

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01:56:48,160 --> 01:56:48,920
Speaker 5: too many James.

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I need some of those fans. They have

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Speaker 2: like ten kids, and every kid's first letter is the same,

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01:56:57,080 --> 01:56:59,480
Speaker 2: like the Kardashian Bobby Billy.

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01:57:01,080 --> 01:57:04,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's well, that's the goodwill hunting thing.

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01:57:04,280 --> 01:57:06,080
Speaker 2: Well yeah, Bobby Bicky al right.

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Speaker 4: The other one good one is in ted with the

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01:57:08,160 --> 01:57:08,840
Speaker 4: trying to name.

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01:57:08,760 --> 01:57:12,520
Speaker 5: Yeah the Boston girl the two names yeah favorite.

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Speaker 2: All right, anyway, one more email spee again, he says,

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Speaker 2: I'm so sorry that deludedly positive email or is having

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Speaker 2: such a bad day. The hate is mutual. Listener on

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Speaker 2: listener crime is a Cherish tradition. We love it.

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Speaker 15: We do love it.

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Speaker 2: All right, We're gonna wrap it up for this Memorial

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Speaker 2: Day weekend show. I hope everybody has a good weekend.

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Speaker 2: Catch twenty two is coming up at their regular time

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Speaker 2: because we lost an ota, so Alex is here.

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Speaker 9: Uh.

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Speaker 2: They will dive into more Jay names on the next

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Speaker 2: EPI show, So stay tuned for Catch twenty two right now.

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