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Speaker 1: Thank you for tuning in to special reports. I'm Emily Finn.

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Speaker 1: Along with Bo Davidson, the Senate has officially voted to

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Speaker 1: confirm Robert F. Kennedy Junior as of the next new

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Speaker 1: Secretary of Health and Human Services. Kennedy cleared the final

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Speaker 1: hurdle after the Republican controlled chamber voted fifty two to

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Speaker 1: forty eight to approve his nomination. His confirmation was a

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Speaker 1: controversial process, with liberal senators pressing him on vaccine skepticism

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Speaker 1: and his stance on environmental issues.

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Speaker 2: Michigan State Senator John Demouse joins us now to talk

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Speaker 2: more about RFK Junior's confirmation. Senator, thank you for being

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Speaker 2: with us today.

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Speaker 3: Hey, thanks for having me. I appreciate it. You guys

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Speaker 3: are in Florida here.

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Speaker 4: We just got ten inches of snow at the state

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Speaker 4: Capitol in Michigan, so.

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Speaker 2: Well, I know you have to be a little envious

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Speaker 2: of us. But someone I think we're all in today

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Speaker 2: probably is RFK Junior because he cleared the confirmation process,

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Speaker 2: and I know it had been controversial and people are

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Speaker 2: expecting big change from RFK when it comes to the

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Speaker 2: Health and Human Services Department. So, Senator, what are you

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Speaker 2: hoping he is able to accomplish right now that he

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Speaker 2: has officially been confirmed in this new role.

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Speaker 4: You know, he's actually a perfect fit for what Trump

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Speaker 4: is doing right now.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's the reason I like him.

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Speaker 4: I never thought in a million years i'd be excited

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Speaker 4: about supporting a Kennedy. I just didn't as a Republican guy.

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Speaker 4: But it's I like him for the same reason I

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Speaker 4: like Donald Trump and Elon Musk is that something has

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Speaker 4: to happen. Somebody needs to go in there and start

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Speaker 4: really shaking things up and doing something different, because what

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Speaker 4: we've been doing for decades, either under Republican or Democratic control,

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Speaker 4: isn't working, or we wouldn't be thirty some trillion dollars

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Speaker 4: in debt and spending money on all this crazy stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Elon Musk would absolutely have to agree

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Speaker 1: with you on that, and I think you're right it

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Speaker 1: is way overdue to be taking a closer look at

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Speaker 1: all of our federal agencies. I do want to get

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Speaker 1: your take on this though. Staying on RFK, Junior Senator

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Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell he was the old only Republican to vote

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Speaker 1: no on Kennedy's nomination citing his experience with polio as

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Speaker 1: a child and his support for vaccines. Were you surprised

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Speaker 1: surprise rather by this move from McConnell at all, you

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Speaker 1: know what.

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Speaker 4: No, I wasn't because he's been a bit of a

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Speaker 4: contrary and which I also like. I mean, I see

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Speaker 4: must have some good reason for doing it, if they're

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Speaker 4: a reasonable person.

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Speaker 3: He has a lot of leadership experience.

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Speaker 4: If that's been his personal experience with a polio vaccine,

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Speaker 4: that makes some sense. I'm just glad it wasn't enough

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Speaker 4: going to be asking some very good questions that need

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Speaker 4: to be answered. He said some things. Kennedy has said

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Speaker 4: some things I don't even necessarily agree with. But I'm

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Speaker 4: ready to have somebody ask these hard questions. It gets

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Speaker 3: He voted. No, I'm just glad it wasn't enough to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And you have to stir the pot sometimes, Senator,

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Speaker 2: because we can't have business as usual, particularly when our

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Speaker 2: youth are very very healthy. In our country at large

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Speaker 2: to confirm Tulsi Gabbard as Director of National Intelligence this week,

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Speaker 2: and Mitch McConnell was once again the lone Republican to

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Speaker 4: Again, it's very much in character and the bottom line is,

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Speaker 4: you know, you either love it or you hate it.

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Speaker 4: It's why I voted for Trump, and it drove me

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Speaker 4: nuts during the first four years his first administration. I

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Speaker 3: And I finally stopped one of them.

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Speaker 4: I said, you know, none of you asked, have ever

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Speaker 4: Vein Telsea Gabbard, I mean, a former Democrat congresswoman who's

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Speaker 4: certainly ready to rattle cages. I like her for the

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Speaker 4: same reason. I think it's great that Elon Musk is there,

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Speaker 4: and it's an absolute offense to the establishment, and we

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Speaker 4: sure needed don't we look at all the ways he's finding.

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Speaker 3: So No, I think this is great. It's very much

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Speaker 4: With what Trump is trying to accomplish overall, and I'm

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Speaker 4: very supportive of it. Again, Mitch McConnell may have his

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Speaker 4: He's shown good leadership over the years. I just think

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Speaker 4: that we're doing something different now and I like it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Well, it sounds like you support former Democrats that

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Speaker 1: have become Republicans. Everyone you just mentioned they've all left

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Speaker 1: the Democrat Party, or as they have said, the Democrat

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Speaker 1: Party has left them, and really are opening their eyes

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Speaker 1: to conservative Republican politics and policies. I think the whole

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Speaker 1: country has been doing that lately. Now I do want

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Speaker 3: I think you're right.

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Speaker 4: You know what people get are sick of mindless partisanship too.

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Speaker 4: I mean, there are some great Democrats down here I

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Speaker 4: I support some of their policies, some of them I

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Speaker 4: distinctly do not. But if you're able to separate the

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Speaker 4: us actually work for good policy, I think.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, and I think that's going to start with

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Speaker 1: this newly formed Department of Government Efficiency. I mean, their

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Speaker 1: efforts to cut government waste has been incredible so far.

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Speaker 1: Elon Musk, He's really taken a deep dive into the

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Speaker 1: federal agency spending. Preparations are underway for massive layoffs.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that what.

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Speaker 1: Musk is doing with DOGE is, as we've been saying

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Speaker 1: throughout this whole conversation, just really really overdue here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think people are are going to realize throughout this

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Speaker 3: I mean, we're done doing business as usual. I'm shocked.

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Speaker 4: I can't believe anybody's not shocked to see some of

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Speaker 4: I'm a well informed guy. I had no idea or

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Speaker 4: our system you saw that with the mine and wherever

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Speaker 3: This is craziness.

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Speaker 4: And it takes somebody who really frankly doesn't give a damn,

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Speaker 4: some missteps. We've been in office for three weeks. Some

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Speaker 4: But we need somebody who's willing to go in and

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Speaker 3: Good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Senator, what was shocking about what you just said

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Speaker 2: is if you didn't know about these expenditures, we as people,

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Speaker 2: the American people sure didn't know about it either. So

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Speaker 2: I think that's what talking. And you're in politics, you're

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Speaker 2: the waste, fraud, and abuse. But let's talk about you was.

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Speaker 4: Talking to another senator, sorry to interrupt, no, saying we

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Speaker 3: I mean just a few years ago was half that.

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Speaker 4: It was in the forties and early fifties, and now

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Speaker 4: it's eighty six billion dollars. You need to tell me

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Speaker 4: there's not a bunch of garbage we're not funding in.

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Speaker 4: They're buried in different places. I think everybody needs to

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Speaker 4: do this. We need to do it because it's the

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Speaker 4: because we've been living off our kids' inheritance so to speak.

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Speaker 4: I mean they're the ones who are going to have

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Speaker 3: It's not right.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's a great segue into my next question, Senator,

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Speaker 2: because you talk about, you know, dose at the federal

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Speaker 2: state of Michigan, you recently introduced legislation to make tips

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Speaker 2: tax free. That's very much in line with similar federal

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Speaker 2: why this is important for Michigan.

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Speaker 4: Well, okay, it's you know what, Honestly, in a perfect world,

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Speaker 4: Obviously there's a role for government, but we're not going

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Speaker 3: So you look for these little areas you can do it.

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Speaker 4: And this was related to First of all, I can't

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Speaker 4: took them at their word. Yeah, these aren't really let's

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Speaker 4: get rid of that text. It's a good thing, but

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Speaker 4: it's also tied to a problem that we have directly

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Speaker 4: here in Michigan, where an outside group came in and

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Speaker 4: got is getting rid of this tipped credit. It's kind

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Speaker 3: And nobody wants this.

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Speaker 4: So this is going to go into effect on Fedbruary

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Speaker 4: twenty first, And my bill was somewhat in response to that, saying, look,

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Speaker 4: if we can't stop that from going into effect, let's

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Speaker 4: at least help the workers out there who are earning

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Speaker 4: these tips.

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Speaker 2: Well, we will.

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Speaker 1: Certainly be keeping a close eye once this folk hopefully

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Speaker 1: does ultimately go into effect. And I know my family

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Speaker 1: in Michigan watching is going to be calling you about

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Speaker 4: But do you know how many people you got to

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Speaker 4: so you're in Florida, do you know how many residents,

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Speaker 4: in Florida? Because you guys don't have income tax and

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Speaker 4: we do. And we're driving all these people away. There's

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Speaker 4: a big We're one of the few states that's losing

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Speaker 4: population and it's in no small part because of our

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Speaker 4: I guarantee it would help with that with our population.

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Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely correct, and I think it actually

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Speaker 1: played a really big role in just the political nature

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Speaker 1: of the state of Michigan. It was one of the

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Speaker 1: swing states that really tipped the scales in President Trump's

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Speaker 1: favor during last November's presidential election. He has been hard

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Speaker 1: at work, as we've talked about throughout this entire conversation,

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Speaker 1: implementing massive change at the federal level, delivering on the

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Speaker 3: What would you say.

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Speaker 1: To kind of put a cherry on this conversation here,

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Speaker 1: what would you say are the top issues for Michigan

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Speaker 1: residents that the president really needs to be focused on

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Speaker 1: addressing right now?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 4: I think the number one issue by far is inflation.

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Speaker 4: And this has just been I mean, it's ravaging our

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Speaker 4: entire economy. Everybody sees it when we're going and paying

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Speaker 4: this much money for eggs, which also has to do

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Speaker 4: with avian flu. I know, but everything going through the

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Speaker 4: roof since COVID has been ridiculous. And I think that's

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Speaker 4: one of the reasons why President Trump won this state

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Speaker 4: is because we were sick of Democrats telling us that

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Speaker 4: everything's okay and the economy is doing great, and we

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Speaker 3: I think inflation is a big deal. Energy is a

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Speaker 4: And in the state of Michigan, last you know, we've

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Speaker 4: been under Democratic control in the Senate, House and the governorship.

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Speaker 4: We just won back the House, but last term was

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Speaker 4: so frustrating. We passed the most radical energy policy see

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Speaker 4: is something that I think that Trump needs to really

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Speaker 4: really speak to and get us back to a more

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Speaker 4: rational you know. I mean, oil and gas is great,

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Speaker 4: we need to keep them. What we just did in

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Speaker 4: neutral by twenty forty.

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Speaker 3: It's just craziness.

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Speaker 4: What we've instituted, basically our own green New Deal, and

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Speaker 4: hopefully President Trump will help us with that.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely well, Senator Demuse, we thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: joining us today and imparting your great wisdom to us.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, and stay warm up there in Michigan.

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Speaker 3: Sir. Hey, you guys are great anytime. I love talking

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Speaker 3: to you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, we do as well, and we'll be right

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Speaker 2: back with more special report