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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate the Patriot ten ninety am Real Talk.

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Speaker 1: In Seattle for hosting me.

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Speaker 2: I'm speaking out here at a Hillsdale College event this evening.

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Speaker 2: Buck is down in Miami. It is truly, I think, Buck,

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Speaker 2: this is about as far as we could be geographically

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Speaker 2: in the continental United States.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm correct.

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Speaker 2: Miami to Seattle is the longest flight you can take

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Speaker 2: on a commercial airline. I think in the continental United States,

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Speaker 2: wouldn't it be that is regulatar really scheduled.

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Speaker 1: It's a brutal flight. I think I've taken that before.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate all of you out there, Like I said, hanging

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Speaker 2: with us, all right, several different things. Seven jurors have

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Speaker 2: been selected for the Trump trial. We'll talk about that

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Speaker 2: with Andy McCarthy at the bottom half of this hour,

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Speaker 2: maybe a little bit later. Dive into the specifics under

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Speaker 2: which we are able to discuss them. They give you

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Speaker 2: like a rough biographical idea of who these jurors are.

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Speaker 2: They have to pick five more for the twelve man jury,

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Speaker 2: and then I think a six and six alternates as well,

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Speaker 2: So there still are somewhere around eleven jurors that have

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Speaker 2: to be selected. No trial today Wednesday is the off day.

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Speaker 2: And I saw this you mentioned it earlier and we

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Speaker 2: started to get into it a little bit. So I

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Speaker 2: flew from Atlanta, where I had a great event. Appreciate

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Speaker 2: Kelly Leffler's group Greater Georgia for putting on a really

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Speaker 2: fun event in Atlanta. Brian Kemp was there, all the

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Speaker 2: legislative leaders of the State of Georgia. Was a really

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Speaker 2: good time there last night, and then hopped the flight,

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Speaker 2: got in here around I think, what two am Pacific,

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Speaker 2: So I'm going on fumes a little bit five am

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Speaker 2: on the East coast. But I saw this when I

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Speaker 2: was traveling, and I couldn't believe that it was I mean,

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Speaker 2: you know, you know you do this two buck right,

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Speaker 2: You see a tweet and you think, for a minute, hey,

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Speaker 2: wait a minute, is this reeal? Like did this person

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Speaker 2: actually send it? Is another person? And I was like

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden, who will not actually say women's sports should

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Speaker 2: only be made up of women, decided that he needed

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Speaker 2: to weigh in. And by he decided, I mean someone

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Speaker 2: in the White House decided that Biden needed to weigh in,

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Speaker 2: and so this was a tweet that he sent yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Women in sports continue to push new boundaries and inspire

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Speaker 2: us all but right now we're seeing that even if

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Speaker 2: you're the best, women are not paid their fair share.

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Speaker 2: It's time that we give our daughters the same opportunities

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Speaker 2: as our sons and ensure women are paid what they deserve.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Caitlin Clark, who drafted number one overall WNBA. Her salary

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Speaker 2: for the next four years went viral somewhere in the

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Speaker 2: neighborhood of seventy five thousand dollars a year within the

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Speaker 2: first three years, and then a little bit of a

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Speaker 2: step up in year four. I think the total was

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Speaker 2: in the neighborhood of three hundred and fifty k over

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Speaker 2: four years something in that neighborhood. Now, this is important

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Speaker 2: data here. This is from in Wokeness. The revenue produced

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Speaker 2: by the NBA is ten billion dollars a year. The

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Speaker 2: revenue produced by the WNBA is around sixty million. And

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Speaker 2: if you actually do the math as a percentage of revenue,

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Speaker 2: WNBA players actually make more than NBA players.

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Speaker 1: Just nobody cares about their profession.

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Speaker 4: Clay, this is part of what you see with Democrats

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Speaker 4: on their mythology around equal pay concerns as well. There

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Speaker 4: seems to be this belief that there's some evil force

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Speaker 4: that is stopping people from making what the market will

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Speaker 4: bear in their case. And so I just would want

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Speaker 4: to there's so many obvious questions in response to Joe

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Speaker 4: Biden's really idiotic tweet, right, which is what's fair? Who

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Speaker 4: determines what fair pay is for professional athletes? First of all,

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Speaker 4: the fact that you can make money playing a it's

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Speaker 4: a kid's game, right, Yeah, I say that with a

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Speaker 4: I think that's a good thing, right, But it's a

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Speaker 4: game meant for, you know, young people. And the fact

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Speaker 4: that as an adult you can make a living playing

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Speaker 4: a sport, which for most people is a form of recreation,

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Speaker 4: is a pretty rarefied and remarkable thing in and of itself.

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Speaker 4: A lot of countries, you know, it's not really a

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Speaker 4: depending on what the sport is. And so i'd want

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Speaker 4: to know what is fair. And you point out the

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Speaker 4: NBA makes it like one hundred times in revenue what

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Speaker 4: the WNBA makes, so we know what the numbers tell us.

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Speaker 4: And I mentioned this to you before off air. You know,

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Speaker 4: I had a friend that I worked with in the

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Speaker 4: I remember I asked him, I said, oh, okay, I

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Speaker 4: was like, you know, what, what did you make when you

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Speaker 4: were playing professional lacrosse? Well, I had to have another job.

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Speaker 4: He's making fifteen grand a season. Okay, So why is

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Speaker 4: that fair? You know, professional across players are professional athletes

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Speaker 4: and they work very hard at their sport, and it's

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Speaker 4: fair because what are the TV rights, what are the

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Speaker 4: ticket sales, what are the you know, what's the endorsements?

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Speaker 4: And you add all this stuff up and you create

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Speaker 4: a market and you pay the people what you can

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Speaker 4: to get them to you know, it's all supply and demand.

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Speaker 4: It's all the basics of economics. So what is Biden

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Speaker 4: even saying?

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Speaker 3: It?

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Speaker 4: Just it's it makes no sense. It's just an emotion

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Speaker 4: in place of an argument.

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Speaker 2: Also, I asked this question, and I bet the answer

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Speaker 2: is no. Can you think of any business that has

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Speaker 2: existed for twenty five years and never made a profit

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Speaker 2: and still exists the fact that the WNBA exists at

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Speaker 2: all is a testament in many ways too well.

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Speaker 1: The government, I guess you could say there's the government.

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Speaker 4: Uh, there's probably some media publications that have to have

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Speaker 4: like uh, you know.

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Speaker 1: Rich Erorson.

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Speaker 2: I don't think they're even even some of these media publications.

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Speaker 2: I don't think they could go twenty five years with

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Speaker 2: never making a profit. Now, maybe you've got an owner

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Speaker 2: who just doesn't care. I mean, basically, you know there

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Speaker 2: are nonprofits, but I'm talking about an ostensible business venture.

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Speaker 2: The WNBA exists theoretically to make money. It has never

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Speaker 4: But I think you've stumbled onto something there. I don't

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Speaker 4: think the WNBA exists to make money, right. I think

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Speaker 4: this is what I think the Democrats, you know what

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Speaker 4: I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: I think that the truth at that point would be

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Speaker 2: they're already benefiting. The fact that she makes seventy five

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Speaker 2: K is a testament to the fact that this organization

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Speaker 2: needs to exist to make Democrats and leftists feel better,

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Speaker 2: even though they don't support it themselves.

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Speaker 4: That's exactly right. It's a charity case. Effectively, it is

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Speaker 4: an athletic charity case. Or rather as it's an unin

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Speaker 4: you could say the WNBA is an unintentional nonprofit or rather,

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Speaker 4: it just doesn't make a profit. I think that this

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Speaker 4: is because they there's this whole sense that equality of

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Speaker 4: sexes anymore, because what does that mean? Equality of the

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Speaker 4: sexes is supposed to mean that we have equal interest

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Speaker 4: in all fields of human endeavor and equal outcomes.

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Speaker 1: In all fields of human endeavor.

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Speaker 4: And I mean it's just I can tell you, you know,

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Speaker 4: a former now older supermodel, a true supermodel, works out

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Speaker 4: at a gym that I occasionally go to. I should

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Speaker 4: go to it a lot more. I'm gonna beat all

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Speaker 4: of you to that punchline, but at a gym that

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Speaker 4: I go to here in Miami. I mean, honestly, one

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Speaker 4: of the most famous models in the world now she's

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Speaker 4: retired and whatever Clay she made, just like Jisell Bunchin

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Speaker 4: for example, when she you know, she was a supermodel

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Speaker 4: married to Tom Brady, she made tens of millions of

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Speaker 4: as we've discussed before, maybe make six figures. I don't

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Speaker 4: think they make seven figures. You know, you know, there

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Speaker 4: might be like a couple that break into that. And

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Speaker 4: it is because as a function of the marketplace. Female

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Speaker 4: beauty is more highly financially rewarded than male attractiveness in

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Speaker 4: that realm.

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Speaker 1: That's just a fact.

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Speaker 2: Which is the movie Zoolander, which is hysterical, absolutely ridiculed,

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Speaker 2: right in many ways from a satirical you've seen zoo Lander, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: of course.

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Speaker 4: Blue steel, I mean blue steel and can only go

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Speaker 4: left or can only go right?

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Speaker 1: It is, yes, of course, But you're right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that is a perfect example of an industry

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Speaker 2: that values even though you're selling the same product, that

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Speaker 2: values female attractiveness infinitely more than men's. How about OnlyFans?

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Speaker 2: How many straight men are making a lot of money

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Speaker 2: on OnlyFans right now?

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Speaker 1: If I started an OnlyFans account, how posted your photo are?

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Speaker 2: If I started an OnlyFans account and just posted photos,

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Speaker 2: I would have zero subscribers.

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Speaker 4: Oh, mag can you imagine, idea some of you can't

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine if I just started an only fan's

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Speaker 2: to look sexy like Zoolander style, literally would have zero subscribers.

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Speaker 2: I mean, so female beauty has far more economic value

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Speaker 2: than male beauty, does I mean, that's not crazy.

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Speaker 4: And I think that there are also there are sports

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Speaker 4: are really close to parody in terms of interest and

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Speaker 4: ticket sales to men. In tennis, it's a sport that

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Speaker 4: I that's the sport that I know you are the best.

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Speaker 4: You know, people really like when Serena was dominated.

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Speaker 2: Actually prefer women's tennis because it's only three sets, it

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Speaker 2: doesn't take as long, the game is not as fast

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Speaker 2: paced in terms of serves for rec players like me

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Speaker 2: and recreational players, you learn a lot more from watching

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Speaker 2: the women because the points are longer and it's more

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Speaker 2: it's closer to what a like decent you know, maybe

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Speaker 2: are hitt one hundred and thirty min on our serves

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Speaker 2: like they're you know, like they're sneezing or something. It's

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Speaker 2: a totally it's a totally different game in that respect.

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Speaker 2: And so yeah, there are other sports. I know, beach

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Speaker 2: volleyball is very popular, but you know, people appreciate the

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Speaker 2: feats of those athletes. Olympics are coming up, buck women's

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Speaker 2: gymnastics is far more popular than men's gymnastics, isn't.

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Speaker 4: It by far the most popular Olympic? Isn't that the

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Speaker 4: most popular the Summer Olympics?

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Speaker 2: Usually, I think the women's gymnastics competition is the highest

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Speaker 2: rated of all of the of all of the events

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Speaker 2: going on.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so, but we know all of this, and this

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Speaker 4: is all so obvious, and so what really is like

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Speaker 4: the what is the childish complaint here that gets all

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Speaker 4: the way to the top of the United States government,

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Speaker 4: from Biden's minions on down to the rest of us.

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Speaker 4: What the Caitlin Clark should be paid? What and where

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Speaker 4: should that money come from? Are we supposed to subsidize it?

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Speaker 4: Here's what they This is the way DEI works, By

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Speaker 4: the way Clay, what they would say is, yes, the

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Speaker 4: men should subsidize it. And then no one's allowed to

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Speaker 4: talk about the fact that they have to be subsidized

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Speaker 4: because there's not enough actual interest and market value in

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Speaker 4: their sport. That's it's like affirmative action for athletics, but

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Speaker 4: for the you know, for the sexes.

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Speaker 2: If you truly feel like WNBA players are underpaid, you

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Speaker 5: MSNBC, CNN Swallwell, this was last night on MSNBC Joyreid

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Speaker 4: because we disagree with that so strongly. They go, oh, well,

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Speaker 4: you must be anti gay as well, and it's like, no,

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Speaker 4: these are these are completely different things, and that that

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Speaker 4: is a dishonest slander meant to attack somebody who, to

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Speaker 4: your point, find anything you or I have ever said

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Speaker 4: that could be classified as Nakay.

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Speaker 2: We bring in now Andy McCarthy, who is I bet

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Speaker 2: doing more media than he's ever done in his entire life. Andy,

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Speaker 2: we got seven jurors seated so far. How would you

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Speaker 2: assess the way this trial is going right now? Has

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Speaker 2: anything surprised you? Where are we from your perspective?

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Speaker 3: The pace the jury selection has really surprised me because

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Speaker 3: you mentioned media when we were doing it on Monday.

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Speaker 3: I guess you know, I tried to warn people ahead

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Speaker 3: of time that nothing really happens during jury selection. It

450
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Speaker 3: was you know, obviously it's historic that it's the first

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Speaker 3: formal day of the trial against the first former president

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Speaker 3: who happens to be the de facto Republican nominee. But

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Speaker 3: nothing much was going to happen, and nothing seemed to happen.

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Speaker 3: Day a few rulings that were interesting, but beyond that,

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Speaker 3: not much. And the estimates play were that they thought

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Speaker 3: it might take until early May, yeah, to get a

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Speaker 3: jury because of the glacial pace of Monday. But then

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Speaker 3: the thing picked up like a rocket Tuesday, and you know,

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Speaker 3: they could they could have a setback tomorrow, but the

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Speaker 3: you know, to the extent the judge that he may

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Speaker 3: have a jury fully selected by Friday. That's entirely possible.

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Speaker 4: Any thanks for being with us. You know we're gonna

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Speaker 4: have to keep you for another segment. We have too

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Speaker 4: many questions, so just get ready for that. But one

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Speaker 4: thing that we've been wondering about, or I've been I've

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Speaker 4: been wondering about, particularly this whole notion of a an

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Speaker 4: impartial jury for Trump in New York City on this case,

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Speaker 4: it seems to me, like I understand, you know, you

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Speaker 4: go to trial with the justice system you have, and

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Speaker 4: you know, it's kind of like you go to war

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Speaker 4: with the army you have. This is what we got

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Speaker 4: is trial by jury system, and in general it's very

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Speaker 4: very good. But to me it just seems like a

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Speaker 4: far I mean, some of the people that are already

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Speaker 4: it seems, have been in contention are obviously anti Trump, Like,

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Speaker 4: how do we get is that just baked in at

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Speaker 4: this point?

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, the thing is that you're not. The

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Speaker 3: idea is not to get people who all like Trump,

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Speaker 3: or who all like Bragg for that matter, because there's

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Speaker 3: a lot of resentment against Bragg and Manhattan too. The

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Speaker 3: thing to remember about all this is that the people

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Speaker 3: the movement progressives who vote in elections like the one

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Speaker 3: where Bragg was elected, that's a vanishingly small number of

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Speaker 3: people in Manhattan, and you know, they're very motivated, so

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Speaker 3: they kind of punch above their weight. Trump is apt

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Speaker 3: to find a number of really good jurors in Manhattan.

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Speaker 3: I liked trying cases in Manhattan. Now, you know, that

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Speaker 3: was twenty years ago and we were Federals, so we

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Speaker 3: would learn from the Bronx in West Yester two. But

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Speaker 3: we had a lot of Manhattan jurors. I thought they

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Speaker 3: were good jurors. The process is supposed to lend itself

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Speaker 3: to a pretty searching examination of these jurors, so you

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Speaker 3: can make it discriminating choice about them. There's a lot

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Speaker 3: of latitude to move to remove people by choice. I

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Speaker 3: have a bite for cause. Rather, I haven't heard too

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Speaker 3: much complaining that they wanted people removed from cause the

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Speaker 3: judge refused to remove, which is part of why it's

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Speaker 3: going faster. I think. I think they got rid of

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Speaker 3: a lot of cause objections the first day in one

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Speaker 3: big fell swoop. But also remember, in terms of balance,

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Speaker 3: even though if you even if you accept as a

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Speaker 3: premise that Manhattan is cut against Trump, which it clearly is,

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Speaker 3: Trump only needs one, you know, to win here, Brad

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Speaker 3: needs twelve. And that's a big difference when you have

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Speaker 3: a case like like Bragg has, which is a kind

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Speaker 3: of a dog's breakfast of a caste.

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Speaker 2: When we come back, I want to ask you this question, Andy,

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Speaker 2: what would happen if Trump were convicted? What's the process

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Speaker 2: that would play out? Thank you for joining us. You

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Speaker 2: good to come back for one more segment?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, great.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, let's get into that like us, you know, are

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Speaker 4: they going to lock him up if they can? Is

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Speaker 4: really what we want to dive into, and what would

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Speaker 4: that look like and how would.

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Speaker 1: This all work? What the process is?

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Speaker 4: dive right. And if we're speaking to Andy McCarthy of

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Speaker 4: National Review and Fox News twenty plus years Southern District

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Speaker 4: of New York prosecutor, Andy, if they find Trump guilty,

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Speaker 4: what do you think happens? I mean, give us the

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Speaker 4: timeline and the possible punishments.

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Speaker 3: Well, allowing the things that moving a little faster than

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Speaker 3: we thought and we'll see if that continues. Let's say

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Speaker 3: the trial goes into mid to late May, maybe early June.

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Speaker 3: If he were to get convicted, I think it matters

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Speaker 3: a lot what he gets convicted of, and we can

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Speaker 3: come back around and talk about that. But let's assume,

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Speaker 3: for arguments, that he gets convicted of one or more

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Speaker 3: selonies in the indictment, which are all the charges of

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Speaker 3: felonies in the indictment. He would have a maximum sentences.

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Speaker 3: I understand the way New York groups statutory a counts

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Speaker 3: of four years and sentencing is normally about three months

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Speaker 3: after a conviction. This is a nonviolent crime. He's a

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Speaker 3: first sender in New York. He should not get a

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Speaker 3: sentence of incarceration. But you know, if you had asked

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Speaker 3: me about Alan Weiselberg, who Bragg has prosecuted twice in

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Speaker 3: the last two years, I would have told you he

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Speaker 3: shouldn't get one either. And they have him in now

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Speaker 3: where I think his second five months stint at rikers.

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Speaker 3: So there'll be a lot of pressure from the left,

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Speaker 3: which certainly Brag and the judge seemed to be very

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Speaker 3: keen to to put him in prison for some period

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Speaker 3: of time. I think Trump will be able to delay that.

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Speaker 3: And my understanding is the way New York appellate law

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Speaker 3: works is that once he appeals, the sentence can be

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Speaker 3: you know, any sentence imposed can be frozen until the

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Speaker 3: appeal's done.

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Speaker 1: And the appeal would take well after the election.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, be into next year for sure.

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Speaker 2: And honestly, Andy, this is a crazy question, but given

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Speaker 2: it's a state charge, he doesn't if he got elected president.

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Speaker 2: How do state charges that have already and I don't

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Speaker 2: know what the president would be here because there's truly

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Speaker 2: never been one. How does state criminal charges apply to

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Speaker 2: a president of the United States if it was a

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Speaker 2: conviction that occurred prior to his election.

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Speaker 3: As you say, Clay, the most important thing is that

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Speaker 3: this has never happened before, So you know, we're kind

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Speaker 3: of spitballing here. But my view would be the Trump

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Speaker 3: Justice Department would argue under the supremacy clause that any

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Speaker 3: sentence ought to be postponed until after his term is over. That,

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Speaker 3: in other words, the state can't execute a sentence that

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Speaker 3: would prevent the federal government from doing its ordinary functions.

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Speaker 3: And I kind of doubt that the that the state

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Speaker 3: would fight that point. I think you know what they

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Speaker 3: want here is to get Trump convicted. You know, look,

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Speaker 3: I've been surprised by a lot.

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Speaker 4: Of things, but I don't I know, we've got a

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Speaker 4: million I just I have to ask this, is there

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Speaker 4: any chance that they could because Andy, what they've done

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Speaker 4: in DC is I call it warp speed, right, they've

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Speaker 4: or ludicrous speed. They've moved faster in the j six

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Speaker 4: trial than all my friends who are federal defense attorneys

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Speaker 4: and federal prosecutors say, like ever happens? Could they do

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Speaker 4: the sentencing much sooner than three months after if he's

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Speaker 4: found guilty?

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Speaker 3: You know, they could try. I think his lawyers couldn't

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Speaker 3: tie that up for a while. But I don't really

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Speaker 3: see the big point of doing that fuck because again,

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Speaker 3: the appeal would mean he they wouldn't be able to

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Speaker 3: execute the sentence, and what they really really want is

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Speaker 3: to call him a convicted felon. I think how much

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Speaker 3: she gets sentenced beside the point. And it could be

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Speaker 3: scandalous if you put Trump in jail when Bragg is

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Speaker 3: taking serious, serious crimes and turning it into turning them

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Speaker 3: into misdemeanors or not charging them at all. That's certainly

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Speaker 3: not going to be helpful to Biden.

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Speaker 2: Andy, you heard about the left is fired up at

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Speaker 2: me for my jury tweets and comments that I've made

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Speaker 2: on this show. Do you think that I will be

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Speaker 2: arrested for jury tampering? As Eric Swallwell has requested, as

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Speaker 2: Joy Read and CNN have requested.

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Speaker 3: Well, I would say, no, Clay, but you know, I'm

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Speaker 3: not in New York today, and Alvin Bragg is the

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Speaker 3: DA there. He's got a different idea when you're on

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Speaker 3: this side of the political aisle than would be the

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Speaker 3: case in the normal case. In all seriousness, I think

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Speaker 3: that you know, what you say is not something I

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Speaker 3: would say, but it's not the crime of jury tampering.

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Speaker 3: It's basically First Amendment free speech. I'm you know, I

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Speaker 3: like the jury system. I'm one of.

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Speaker 4: These you still have some faith in a Andy, which

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Speaker 4: I appreciate. I'm not sure I do as much, especially

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Speaker 4: seeing what we're seeing for some of these jurors.

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Speaker 1: But you know, it's the best thing we got. I

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Speaker 1: get it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. But you know, one of the things we talked

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Speaker 3: about just probably a month ago was how ridiculous it

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Speaker 3: was that the civil fraud trial was just a bench trial.

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Speaker 3: In front of angeron right. And I think the only

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Speaker 3: reason for making that point is because it's more fair

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Speaker 3: to have a jury trial. And the implicit in that

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Speaker 3: is that we think that, you know, twelve sensible people

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Speaker 3: are more likely to come to a correct result than

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Speaker 3: one movement progressive. So you know that's I'm still banking

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Speaker 3: on that.

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Speaker 2: If there were a mistrial, let's say they couldn't get

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Speaker 2: a verdict, there's no way they could get a case rescheduled.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: This would basically be Bragg falling on his face if

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Speaker 2: in some way he doesn't get the felony conviction.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think number one, Wou'd be ridiculous

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Speaker 3: if he wanted to try it again, because if they

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Speaker 3: don't get him on this, it's going to because it's

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Speaker 3: going to be because it's a ridiculous case, which Bragg

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Speaker 3: knew in the first place, and that's why he shut

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Speaker 3: it down in twenty twenty two. If they don't get

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Speaker 3: a conviction, it's going to be because of things like

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Speaker 3: Michael Cone, which doesn't get better over time. But the

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Speaker 3: other thing, just to be totally practical about it, is

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Speaker 3: Trump's dance cards going to be filled up with you know,

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Speaker 3: classified information proceedings down in the Florida case and all

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Speaker 3: of the free trial stuff in the Washington case. The

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Speaker 3: j sixth case is going to start up again once

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Speaker 3: the Supreme Court rules on immunity. Because when they rule

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Speaker 3: on immunity, assuming they rule against Trump, which I do,

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Speaker 3: then the case is good. The jurisdiction off of the

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Speaker 3: case is going to go back to Judge chuck In

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Speaker 3: and she's going to start having hearings and putting the

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Speaker 3: pedal to the metal.

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Speaker 1: Well, the good news.

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Speaker 4: It sounds like Andy, neither Trump nor Clay are going

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Speaker 4: to the Big House and going to be cellmates, perhaps

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Speaker 4: having to pick who gets top bunk anytime soon.

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Speaker 3: Let's let's let's pray for that outcome. I agree with that.

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Speaker 1: Pray for television hip. That's what.

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Speaker 4: Can I tell you one thing Andy, when Clay was on,

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Speaker 4: when the heat was turned up on Clay, you know

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Speaker 4: what he said, I'd love to have Andy as my

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Speaker 4: defender if I if I actually play charges.

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Speaker 2: I would, I would, I would, I would hire. You

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Speaker 2: might make some money off this before all of a sudden, Yah.

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Speaker 3: I might come out of retirement for that case.

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Speaker 1: There we go, all right, everybody,