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Speaker 1: And then we don't trust the news. We don't trust

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Speaker 1: the people that are bringing us the information, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. And I think that a lot of

431
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Speaker 1: black people mistakenly think that a lot of radio DJs,

432
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: a lot of gossip posts, they think that that's news.

433
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 1: They think that that's the information that they need, and

434
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: a lot of times that's misinformation. Its opinion is not

435
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 1: based on facts. Um. And so you know, no, not

436
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: to anybody out there doing their thing, but I think

437
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: that people have to be mindful of what sources you're

438
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 1: getting your information from. And we have we just and

439
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 1: I think that organizations like A B. E. T and

440
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 1: others have to really continue to push that. We have

441
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,239
Speaker 1: to not look at the ratings and the numbers and

442
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 1: just find other ways to connect and get information to

443
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Speaker 1: our community. Because I tell you, you know, Telemundo, all

444
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 1: the you know latins that they have, they prioritize it. Yes, yes,

445
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 1: And they first of all, they obviously they have such

446
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 1: a as do we, but you know, it's a diaspora,

447
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 1: so they're covering all over. But also but like in

448
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: certain areas in Miami, you know that Telemundo's over one

449
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 1: here in l A and so in the areas like

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00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: you can tell me, it will give the local NBC

451
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 1: and ABC a run for their money. And I feel

452
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,120
Speaker 1: like you're correct in the fact that we don't understand

453
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: the investment, but it is. It's so detrimental, and I

454
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 1: don't know how as a journalist or as as someone

455
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:21,360
Speaker 1: who has a platform, how I get us to pay attention.

456
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: And while that's not necessarily my responsibility, I do feel

457
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 1: like it is my responsibility. I I you know, obviously

458
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 1: I live in between the intersection of sports and culture,

459
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 1: and all these athletes think they want to do something

460
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 1: and then they say they're going to do something, and

461
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,400
Speaker 1: then they don't really understand what they're fighting for. What,

462
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,439
Speaker 1: why is it important? And it's so disturbing for me.

463
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: How do we get them to pay attention? I don't know.

464
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: If I knew, I mean, I would push for it.

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00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 1: I mean whenever it's like when I got to be

466
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: et and then, like I said, I start doing Black Radio.

467
00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,040
Speaker 1: Just it felt so important to me to be a

468
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 1: part of this, bringing this information to our community. But

469
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: it's just discouraging when the people with the resources to

470
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 1: make it happen don't see the importance. And really, you

471
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: gotta go beyond. You're gonna lose money, right at first,

472
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: you're going to just money. But I think I think

473
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 1: that a lot of people in this country, a lot

474
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: of black people with a lot of money, really have

475
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: to get behind something like this. I agree, And I

476
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: don't even know if we're holding them accountable. I don't

477
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: even know if I'm holding you know, the black folks

478
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 1: that I know with money accountable, because you do have

479
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 1: to get behind it. If we're not doing it, who will?

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00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: And we're and we have to support it, you know.

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00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about with J and I in our show

482
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 1: We any Upper. It would be nice if someone said, Okay,

483
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 1: so we go to CNN, CNN Plus goes away there

484
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: like you still work for CNN, but we're gonna see

485
00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 1: where this show could possibly land. Could it be within

486
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: the family, Could it go to HBO and me on

487
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: HBO Max. We don't know, But let me tell you

488
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: what I do know is that they don't understand us.

489
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: So if you if they're not familiar with us and

490
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 1: what we're talking about, the content we're bringing, it's not

491
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 1: important to them. And if it's not important to them,

492
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: that who is important too? If it ain't important to

493
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: us in the community because we were for the community.

494
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: It's so disturbing, it really is. And there's so much

495
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: money in the black community right we as an audience

496
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 1: have such power that we don't even know how to harness.

497
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: We don't even understand how to utilize that, correct, do

498
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? All the shows that you know,

499
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 1: the shows with black talent, whether it's entertainment, you know,

500
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: whether it's sports, whether it's news, you know, it's all

501
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,959
Speaker 1: it's everywhere else. It really should be the you know,

502
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: the B E t S of the world, the TV

503
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: ones of the world, you know, and others. It should

504
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: be blowing up with the best of the best when

505
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,719
Speaker 1: it comes to programming and all of those things. But

506
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 1: it's not, you know, it's not I mean, not no shade.

507
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: I mean not that they don't have I mean I

508
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 1: definitely watch you know, some of the things on B E.

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00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: T UM and we're not Yeah, there's some good programming,

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00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: But we're saying you're saying the level of talent, the richest,

511
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: the resources, it could be everywhere, and it's not. It

512
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: could be so much more. And I also think we

513
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: we we think somebody else's ices colder in the sense

514
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: of I don't want to work for b E. T

515
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: Or I don't want to, you know, and I don't

516
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: want to And then my mind, I'm all like, that's

517
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: that's not that's not smart. How does that? How does

518
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: that even work? Does that even worse? Imagine if black

519
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: Ish was on a black network, imagine a scandal when

520
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: it first came out, was on a black network. Right,

521
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: why does Bridgertson have to be you know, over here?

522
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: Why can't it be over here? Or why can't we

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00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, why can't there be these big

524
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: blockbuster shows that are that are out of Black network. Sure,

525
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: I would like to see those people out there with

526
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: a lot of money making those kinds you know, the

527
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: magic Johnson's of the world making those kinds of things happen,

528
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? And that's his feet

529
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: but you know, yeah, but you're like, well, there's only

530
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: so many that you can point to where you see

531
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: what they're doing. I often my my thing is that

532
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: I see all of these I know all of these

533
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: men who are creating these great businesses, and they're bringing

534
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: in their friends, their male friends, and they're doing all

535
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: these wonderful things, and they're buying teams and they're doing this,

536
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,239
Speaker 1: And I always think, well, what about us? Do you

537
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: see us? Us brown women, we too want multiple streams

538
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: of income and we want to be bazillionaires too, right,

539
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: don't forget about us and I and I think that

540
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: that's what I believe would change the way that we

541
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: would deal with production and the way we would see

542
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: us wanting to work for black entertainment companies if there

543
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: were more women in charge. Sadly, we're not. We're not

544
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: making the money, we're not making the big decisions. You know,

545
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: we have the title, but we as a little asterisk,

546
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: you know, next to it. And you're always constantly fighting

547
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: some kind of narrative, so as we as I do

548
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: you know that, I mean you you you know, no, absolutely,

549
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: It's it's tough as a woman. And then as a

550
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: woman when you do reach a certain level, if you

551
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: don't operate within the rules that that the boys set up,

552
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: then how successful can you be? I mean, I think

553
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: that a lot of times when the people in charge,

554
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: when they if they you know, if they elevate somebody black,

555
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: whether it's a woman or a man, it's going to

556
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: be someone who they feel comfortable with. It's not gonna

557
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: be somebody that's gonna come and shake things up. And

558
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: I feel the same thing with women. And you know,

559
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: hats off to those who are climbing the ladder and

560
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: doing their their thing. But if you were, uh, shaking

561
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: things up and making trouble, they would not look. They

562
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: would not elevate a woman if they don't want it.

563
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: So that so that limits you to do things in

564
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: a certain way, you know what I mean, even you

565
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: were not you were, we're learning that, right, Like I'm

566
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: learning that. I'm all like, I don't I could never

567
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: go work for the four letters in that way. Ever, again,

568
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: I'm not saying, like you said, I want, but not

569
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: like that. I'm too free, I'm too ay. And more importantly,

570
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: there's money to be made. Come on, come, that's money

571
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: to be made, right, Yeah, you're oh, I'm sorry. What

572
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: was that waiting for? Who told me? Who told me?

573
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: When I heard how much money was being made out

574
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: here in this digital spak podcast and courses and you know,

575
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: memberships and YouTube. I was like, okay, okay, I can

576
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: do this, I can do this, can be and be free. Yes,

577
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: I'm freedom man. It's a different thing, but you have

578
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: to live some life to understand it. And I am

579
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: grateful for the name the company which that helped me

580
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: build my platform. So I don't we don't. I don't

581
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: knock that because there is there's there's method to the mages.

582
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: All right, really quickly, I must pay some bills. Jackie

583
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: Reid is on the other side. Pay attention. We'll be

584
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: right back. Every champion and carry Chappion is to be

585
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: a champion, A champion and carry Chappion and carry Chappian

586
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Speaker 1: A champion and carry Chappi and carry Chappi afraid and

587
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Speaker 1: sports and the tame mak and naked work on very

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Speaker 1: Chappion and carry Chappi is to be a champion, a champion,

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Speaker 1: they carry Chappi and the champion. They carry Champion and

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Speaker 1: carry Chappi sorts and the tame ak and naked work.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, journalists vegan extraordinary. She gets into it, y'all.

592
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: She i mean, I'm trying. I don't know. I'm trying.

593
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm trying, Jackie. I'm trying. Jackie read

594
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: on Naked. As a journalist, I like to ask these

595
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: questions about people when they put stories together. When you

596
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: go on, you interview somebody, Is it okay? So you

597
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: could just give me an example, or you could just say, yeah,

598
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: your name okay. Is it difficult to interview someone you're

599
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: really close with A yeah, it's like your home girl

600
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: and and but she's also like if you had to

601
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: go and interviewed No Joy on her show or something

602
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: like that. You know, I'm just back and forth. She

603
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: interviews you, that might be fine, but you're filling in. No,

604
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: it's not difficult for you. That wouldn't be difficult for

605
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: me to interview a friend. It's like making it it's

606
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: fun for me. Like I just didn't interview with Sherry Shepard,

607
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: who's a friend of mine, for upfronts for her news

608
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: talk show that she's getting in. They brought me in

609
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: to do a one on one with her in front

610
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: of advertisers, and you know, it was and she wanted

611
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: me to do it because she know it would be

612
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: girlfriendly and fun, and for me, it was just us

613
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: being up there just talking. So no, that kind of

614
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: like I long for that. That's why I like just

615
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: being able to do my own thing. You know, when

616
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: I had my last year and we were interviewing all

617
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: these celebrities, one of the best times it would be

618
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: when somebody that I knew would come through, you know

619
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: what I mean, and we could just sit and talk

620
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 1: and just you know, have a kind of fun conversation. No,

621
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: I lived for that. That's fun for me. You love

622
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 1: those that I'm a fan of. That's more difficult because

623
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: I remember covering the red carpet at the Emmy Awards,

624
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: you know, maybe about six years ago, and it just

625
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: Elba entered the carpet and I was like, okay, this

626
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 1: is this might have been about eight years ago, so

627
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: you know, it was like when he was really he

628
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,919
Speaker 1: was you know what I mean, every luthor was out,

629
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: like he was nominated for Luther. So I see him

630
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: coming down the carpet and you know he I know,

631
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: he went to entertainment tonight and then his publicist and

632
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: they were get ready to walk on by. There there

633
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,720
Speaker 1: was some white girls. He wasn't stopping, but his manager

634
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: was a brother, and I thought that I. I was like, hey, hey,

635
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: I was like, please bring him to me, Please bring

636
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: him over here. He said, mother, I got you. So

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00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,919
Speaker 1: when he came down and the white ladies that were hitting,

638
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 1: you know, doing whatever they were doing, they were like,

639
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Speaker 1: he brought him right over to me, Carrie. To this day,

640
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: I can't tell you what I asked him. All blurn.

641
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: It is all a blurn. It's all I don't. I

642
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: love it. I love it. So you were like you

643
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 1: went real deep investigative journalism and then don't remember a thing.

644
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: He was just were you just staring at his eyes

645
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: as his mouth for I hate when that happens. I know,

646
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: I know that words were coming out of my mouth,

647
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: but I don't know. I didn't know. I'm trying to think.

648
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: By the way, I have never interviewed it. I met

649
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: him before, and I'm pretty sure it was the same response,

650
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: Like he was like a high and by and I

651
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: was just like, oh my god, you just be like

652
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: I've had I can't say that I've had that happen

653
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: um where I do only someone's so fine that I

654
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: can't talk. But I I do know I have been

655
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: extremely nervous depending on how like perfect big the athlete was.

656
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: Back in the day, I would be very nervous. I'd

657
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: be like, I don't know what I'm saying. But here

658
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: you go like I don't know what's going you know,

659
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: you just get so caught up. But I I I

660
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: don't like interviewing my really close friends. That's interesting that

661
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: you didn't because well because I feel like, well because

662
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 1: you because now I have a confession. Because I'm silly

663
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 1: and sometimes I might speak in front of company and

664
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,760
Speaker 1: I was supposed to say what I was supposed to say,

665
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: So I always am like, wait, am I supposed Was

666
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: I not supposed to tell that story? Um? And that

667
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: happened once with Jamale on her Bachelorette podcast. She did

668
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 1: and I thought we were going on there to talk

669
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: about the Bachelorrett like what happened? Not? I mean, you know,

670
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 1: but apparently I was almost got kicked out the wedding.

671
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: That's all I know, because I was talking. I was

672
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,439
Speaker 1: talking good too much. So that's why that's why my fear. Okay,

673
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: so have you ever now this is you don't have

674
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 1: to share, but have you ever interviewed someone and you

675
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: had like such a crush on them, and you felt

676
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: them flirting with you the whole time, And what did

677
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: you do? Why they were flirting the entire interview and

678
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 1: you're trying to stay professional. I know what's happened? Go ahead,

679
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I mean you know, I mean, you know,

680
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,280
Speaker 1: working the rick carpet at the b ET Awards opens

681
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: itself up to a lot of just you know, it's

682
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: just a fun kind of atmosphere, especially back in the

683
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 1: day when the b ET Awards were still a mixture

684
00:37:55,640 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: of you know, you know, different ages. It is different,

685
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. After a while, it became

686
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: really really, really really young, you know what I mean.

687
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: Just back in the day, you know, all kinds of

688
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 1: people were walking the red carpet. So I'm I'm jogging

689
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 1: my mind. I don't have like one story. Somebody was

690
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: like say, Jackie Baby, hey, baby baby, Jackie. You know,

691
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: I get, I know, even a little a little something

692
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: here and there, But I didn't take it seriously. I

693
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: didn't take it seriously, So if they were serious, I

694
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: didn't know about it. No. I think it's so uncomfortable

695
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 1: when as a woman, especially as a beautiful black woman,

696
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: and we're at these events and the brothers see us

697
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 1: and they start flirting, and you're like, I'm trying to

698
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: be professional, Like that's what It's so uncomfortable. But funny

699
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: is I'll get out because you just have to remain calm.

700
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: And every black reporter that I know, every black woman

701
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: I know who's worth the red carpon, you just have

702
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 1: to just always remain calm because it's a little bit

703
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: of it's a it's it's a it's a compliment. But

704
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: then it's like, Okay, I I have professional decorum. You're

705
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: you're setting boundaries right how you respond to them, you

706
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And so I just I could

707
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 1: only imagine because the bad still the baddest, but the

708
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: baddest on the red carpet girl, when nobody touching you

709
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: was nobody, you were it. You are so kind, But

710
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: you know, I am such a you know, I would

711
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:26,439
Speaker 1: drive top journ or crazy because I'm so against like

712
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: men treating women like they wouldn't want their daughters exactly

713
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: calling I'm so against reharrassment and all that kind of stuff.

714
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: I like for men to just be respectful, um when

715
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: they interact with women, even if it's you know what

716
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: I mean. I feel like even you can. I think

717
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: if you're interested in someone, I think that you can

718
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: convey that without being disrespectful, without making a spectacle of

719
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: yourself or embarrassing. It's embarrassing, do you know what I mean?

720
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: When somebody puts you on the spot like that, particularly

721
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: when you're doing your I don't come to CVS and

722
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: start messing with you while you putting away the cotton balls.

723
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: I don't do that, So leave me alone, please, sir

724
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: um You said something about your lifestyle, which I also

725
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: and this just goes into what when I am thinking

726
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: of who you are and how you've been able to

727
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: really truly transition and make a way for yourself. You

728
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: created a vegan company for my understanding, or you're seeing

729
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: vecan cool. But first of all, I was always wondering

730
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: why you were so fit, So it's another reason for

731
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: me to think about being a vegan. I mean, I

732
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: just love me some chicken. I have to learn to

733
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: and I know there's chicken soy, chicken, faked chicken, I know,

734
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: but I'm not there. I I'm saying, tell me about

735
00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:00,280
Speaker 1: the company. Congratulations, thank you, And I love vegans exally

736
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: cool and it really is the whole goal behind it

737
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: is for someone like me who not only is a

738
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: huge animal lover, but I also love clothes. I love fashion,

739
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 1: I love makeup, you know, I love beauty. I love

740
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: all of that. And so when you're vegan, you don't

741
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: just eat vegan. It's everything. I don't wear leather, I

742
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: don't wear silk, I don't wear cashmere. I don't eat,

743
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: you know, by anything that has to do with the

744
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: exploitation or harm van harm of an harming of animals,

745
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: and so a lot of people will think, well, like

746
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: what do you wear, how do you live? But there's

747
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: so what I discovered was there's so much out there

748
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:46,240
Speaker 1: in this space, from car companies to fantastic resorts around

749
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: the world. Of course we know about restaurants, but clothing brands,

750
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 1: furniture companies, interior design companies, all in the vegan space.

751
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: And for me, I'm an ethical vegan, which is why

752
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: most people are v because if you're just eating vegan,

753
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,280
Speaker 1: then your plant based. But if you're an ethical vegan,

754
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: that means no animals were harmed, you know, while you're

755
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: living your life. And so for me, it's everything um

756
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: that I do, and it really so once you make

757
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: that decision right, because for years, I mean, girl, you

758
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 1: there's probably a picture that exists with me gnawing a

759
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: chicken wing to the bone. It exists, Like, I don't

760
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: think that I didn't. I was not raised, you know,

761
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: in the South eating pigs, this chipland's you know all

762
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: that stuffs hogs, mogs, dogs. But when I try to

763
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: encourage people to do not just for the ethics of

764
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: it when it comes to animals, but also for our health,

765
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: um and for the for the planet. Is to be

766
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: more conscious consumers. Pay attention to what you're eating, Where

767
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: did it come from that pers You're caring not just

768
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: the materials, but the labor, right, what's happening to the workers,

769
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: Where was it made? How ethical is that company? Not

770
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: just when it comes to two animals, but their politics,

771
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: where do they stay? And when it comes to black

772
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: lives matter? Right, we need to be more conscious. We

773
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: black people make a lot of companies a lot of

774
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: money because when we like something, we're all in. But

775
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: what do we know about those companies and and their politics.

776
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 1: We need to pay. We have to be more conscious

777
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: to not only what we're eating, what we're putting onto

778
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: our plate. But just as consumers in general and so

779
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: vegan sexy cool is really just showing you that being

780
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: vegan is not about sacrifice. You can still be cool

781
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,760
Speaker 1: and fly and go to the best places and walk

782
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: the red carpet and eat fabulous food and go to

783
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: great restaurants and all that drive great cars and not

784
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 1: sacrifice anything. And on top of that, um help out

785
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: the plant, save some animals, do good, do some been good?

786
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? People are looking for ways

787
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: to give back and do something. You know, every time

788
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: I have a meal, I have peace because I know

789
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: that nothing died or was exploited for me to be

790
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 1: for me to eat what I'm eating, and that that

791
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: works for me. And but okay, so tell me how

792
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: long have you been an ethical vegan? Four and a

793
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: half years? But and before that, were you just a

794
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: vegan by being plant based? No? It When I tell

795
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: you I had an epiphany, I would leave Like I

796
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: was talking about the chicken bones that I would be

797
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 1: gnawing on I was eating for Christmas. I had this

798
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: moment where I saw this ad on Facebook where this

799
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: black woman. Interestingly enough, and I don't know who made

800
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 1: this add to this day, but it was just like

801
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: this woman walking by some animal rights activists and it

802
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: gave her a pamphlet and you get a close up

803
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 1: of the pamphlet and it says, you know, go vegan,

804
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: save animals. And she, you know, she's like and you

805
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: will see her throughout her like the next week. So

806
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: however long this period goes through, and she's you know,

807
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: paying more attention to what being vegan could mean. And

808
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:12,760
Speaker 1: then we see her watching the videos of the factory farming,

809
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: and you know, you just get a glimpse of it.

810
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: But I said to myself, you know what, I'm gonna

811
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: dig into this. I'm gonna look at what it takes

812
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 1: to put that chicken on my plate. I'm gonna look

813
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: at what it takes from start to finish to have

814
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: that leather coat. And once I did that, because we know, right,

815
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: you know that animals are dying, so you can have

816
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: those things. But once you let yourself really see it,

817
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: I just as an animal lover, couldn't be a part

818
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 1: of that cruelty. Yeah you know, you really see it,

819
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 1: Can you really let yourself see it? Then I just

820
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: could be a part of that anymore. And particularly for

821
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: black people, I think that we again going back to

822
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: conscious consumerism. We need to lean in and pay more

823
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 1: attention to the businesses that we are supporting. You know,

824
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: Dick Gregory was a devout ethical vegan from I mean

825
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: from this early sixties. He became a vegan because of

826
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,399
Speaker 1: he was against violence, and so he's like, if if

827
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: I'm against violence against people, why am I supporting this

828
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: horrific violence against animals so I can have a piece

829
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: of chicken or a piece of steak. Angela Davis, you know,

830
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: former Black panther, you know, brilliant professor to this day,

831
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: speaks on She's an ethical vegan as well. And those two,

832
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: if you listen to their teachings, talk about the connection

833
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: between the struggle and the plight of black people in

834
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: this country and the way that animals are inhumanely treated.

835
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: Because it's the same, you know, it's the same master that.

836
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, you know what, Let's let's

837
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: take these animals and treat them this, Let's chain them up,

838
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: Let's do that, you know what I mean, Let's do this,

839
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: so they're no. Capital is the same thing, same thing,

840
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: same thing, the same thing. I'm not about that. I'm

841
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: not about that. So for me, it's been a journey.

842
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 1: I've learned a lot along the way. I started out

843
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: in ethical vegan but it has improved my health. Um,

844
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 1: I learned about how it impacts the environment, and so

845
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: it's it's a win win win good. I mean, honestly,

846
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: that is. That is I and I have had over

847
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 1: the course of my life, several friends who have become vegans.

848
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: I think you're the only one that I know if

849
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Speaker 1: that's an ethical vegan, but that they do all talk

850
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 1: about the benefits of it and how they all want

851
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: to move towards that world, you know what I mean,

852
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: where they're not where they're not buying things, like they're

853
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: not doing the leather and then this and that the silk,

854
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: and so they say, but it's the same thing what

855
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: you just said, Like if you allow yourself to see it,

856
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: you understand if it affects you the way it hits you,

857
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: then you're just like, all right, I can't do that anymore.

858
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 1: And to me, that's amazing. So I literally I don't

859
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: know if I'm ready. Literally I'm impressed by you. That

860
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: is that's hard to say and do are you we guys?

861
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,959
Speaker 1: But surely you you like I feel like I feel

862
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 1: like if if there was like if someone said, hey,

863
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: do you need someone to take you over? And then

864
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: you'd be like, yes, here are all the ways to

865
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: get you through it. You have a cancel. It sounds

866
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: like a book coming, sounds like a book that might

867
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 1: be coming. What other before I let you go? What

868
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 1: other projects are you working on? Well, Vecan Sexy Cool

869
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: is the main thing I am working with the with

870
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: the small team also too. You know, I've worked so

871
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: hard with the Jackie Read brand that I don't want

872
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,919
Speaker 1: to let that go completely. And so I'm just trying

873
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: to figure out, you know, once I get Vegan Sexy

874
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 1: Cool rolling in solid, how do I get back to

875
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 1: the whole Jackie Right thing, Because I do, you know,

876
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: there's so many stories that I want to share and

877
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: so many people that I still want to interview. You know.

878
00:48:56,280 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 1: Right now, I am helping my MoMA in Atlanta. Mother

879
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 1: is senior, She's in great health, um, but I'm preparing

880
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: for her to get to the point, well when she

881
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: gets to the point where she might need little help.

882
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: And so we're remodeling her house and changing some things,

883
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: getting documents and order all that stuff. And I have

884
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: so many friends right now, who are dealing with the

885
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 1: same who even beyond what I'm dealing with with my mom,

886
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 1: which is just a fight up. I don't want to

887
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,240
Speaker 1: throw that away. I don't want to take that giant

888
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: spoon and you know, wooden spoon and fork off the wall.

889
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:34,760
Speaker 1: And I'm like, Okay, I can't what people have parents

890
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: have right, parents have Alzheimer's, or are dealing with so

891
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: many things, um that it's a lot on a lot

892
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: of friends. That's a lot of conversation. I'm having a

893
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,359
Speaker 1: lot of conversations around that, and a lot of conversations

894
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: around mental health too. I had a girlfriend called me

895
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: today too and said to me, you know, I talked

896
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: to her all the time. She said, you know, I'm

897
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 1: I'm depressed. I'm I am depressed. And I have so

898
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: many friends right now who mentally are not doing well.

899
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: And we're out there. You're focusing on what's next, what

900
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: you're doing, what you know. Always have people ask me, girl,

901
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: what you're doing next, what's going you know? But how

902
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: are you doing? How are you really doing? And I

903
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:18,280
Speaker 1: think we need to really, particularly as black women, encourage

904
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 1: each other to really have these conversations. Yeah, yeah, I

905
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,919
Speaker 1: think that what you just said is honestly what all

906
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: I in your groups and your circle groups, and the

907
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 1: older we get, the more important we realize it is.

908
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: But the depression that the parents being sick, my best

909
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: friends dealing with that, everything you name them like that,

910
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: that person that that is what's going on in our

911
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,439
Speaker 1: world right now. And you're right, it's better to check

912
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: in mentally and also physically, like honestly, so I can't now,

913
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: I can't be like, oh, she's naturally skinny, because you

914
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: just look like you over here working for it. Now,

915
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,399
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta go work for something too. Then

916
00:50:55,560 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 1: apparently that's the answer. Um, Jackie Reid, thank you so

917
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: much for being naked with us, and you're so sweet.

918
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: You're such a sweetheart, better than I than I assumed,

919
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: just as lovely, just as charming, all the things. So

920
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: it was crazy to meet you. You're so wonderful, and

921
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 1: thank you for having me. I'm such a fan of

922
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: all that you do and I look forward to seeing

923
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 1: you soon. Basically, I hope so soon in person. Such

924
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: a pleasure to have Jackie on the podcast. I'm excited

925
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: that she decided to join me, and more excited about

926
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: the possibilities of what if, what is next? I UM

927
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: can't promise that I'll be a vegan Jackie if you're listening,

928
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: but I can promise I'll try to be better and

929
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 1: that I'm getting there because it's just a mentality, the

930
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 1: same mentality that helps you change lives, That same mentality

931
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: that I have to fight for different things is the

932
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 1: same thing, if I'm being honest, that I should be

933
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: trying to employ as I try to enter into this

934
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: world of veganism. I don't know if I can, I'll try.

935
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:05,839
Speaker 1: Who knows? Who knows? Anyway, I hope you all enjoy it. UM,

936
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Speaker 1: thank you so much for listening, and next week special guests.

937
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: Can't tell you you'll see the promotion. Keep subscribing, keep

938
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 1: talking about it, keep making sure your girl stays in

939
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Speaker 1: the mix. I appreciate you all very very much. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for listening to Naked