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Speaker 1: this is a weird one on a Thursday night, right

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Speaker 1: cause if you were to say, hey, it's Thursday night

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Speaker 1: football standalone game, You're like, well, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: baseball's getting sort of exciting, exciting, but not playoffs yet

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Speaker 1: so still football time, right, because there are there's a

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Speaker 1: portion of us. I think most of us prefer obviously

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Speaker 1: playoff baseball to regular season football, not on Sundays. But

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Speaker 1: baseball does a good job of the most part of

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Speaker 1: avoiding that. But there's no real excuse for watching anything else.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess if I was watching Mets Cubs

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Speaker 1: last night, you know, maybe that's part of it. There's

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Speaker 1: some other games you can watch, but standalone football is

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Speaker 1: generally pretty awesome. Thursday night FOOTBA obviously on Amazon tonight

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Speaker 1: it's the Cardinals who are off to a hot start,

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Speaker 1: although if you watch them play, you're like, okay against

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks, so you have a divisional matchup, and of

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Speaker 1: course the Seahawks are buyers team, not he doesn't own

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Speaker 1: the TA, you you know, that's where his fandom goes.

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Speaker 1: And I do think this is one in which we

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Speaker 1: make a huge mistake, but we're gonna do it anyway,

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Speaker 1: which is, we're gonna make a determination into if Sam

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Speaker 1: Darnold can play, or if Kyler Murray can play, or

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Speaker 1: what everything looks like with the Cardinals or with the

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Speaker 1: Seahawks based upon this one game, and it's a Thursday

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Speaker 1: night game, and as we all know, generally, especially as

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Speaker 1: the season goes on, the quality of play Thursday night

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Speaker 1: is not usually great because the bodies aren't really recovered

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Speaker 1: from the week before, and you know, it doesn't feel

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Speaker 1: like you have as much time to invest in game

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Speaker 1: planning and scouting and all that other stuff for whatever reason.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm giving you reasons that quality play not

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Speaker 1: don't think the answer is yes. So these are two

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Speaker 1: teams that the Seahawks, who had the Twelfth Man had

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Speaker 1: a huge following. Doesn't feel like that's a thing anymore,

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Speaker 1: But it was definitely a thing, and that's only because

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Speaker 1: it's hard to have those kind of national fan bases

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Speaker 1: I know, the Cowboys haven't won anything recently but the

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Speaker 1: But you look at tonight and it's like Arizona doesn't

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Speaker 1: You have a former number one pick, former number three

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Speaker 1: just think that the takeaway from tonight's game is going

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Speaker 1: I don't know anybody who claims who claims to be

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Speaker 1: I don't know a single Areazon a Cardinal fan.

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Speaker 2: All those weird doug all those teams you mentioned have

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Speaker 1: It's possible. I mean, the Raiders haven't won a Super

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Speaker 1: Nope, I don't think they actually like again in Arizona.

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Speaker 1: There's some people now. It used to be a transient market.

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Speaker 1: not me crapping on the Cardinals. The Cardinals have been

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Speaker 1: into somebody who's like, who's your team? The Arizona Cardinals?

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Speaker 2: Like what, I personally don't know a single Cardinals fan.

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Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not either. I'm just like and and

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Speaker 1: and again for for people who are listing in whatever.

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Speaker 1: But they walk in with a Kyler Murray jersey. I

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Speaker 1: And I think the Cardinals are probably right there in

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Speaker 1: Obviously he's got some personal stuff that he's gone through.

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Speaker 1: But you know, Tampa, it wasn't a lot, but Tom

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Speaker 1: but they love them Saints. I don't know anybody whos

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Speaker 1: a Cardinals fan. Yes, go ahead, So.

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Speaker 2: I found her this Ranker article that has found some

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Speaker 2: celebrity fans of the Arizona Cardinals I could share with you.

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Speaker 4: Go ahead.

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Speaker 2: So we got a Frankie Muniz who grew up in Scottsdale, Arizona.

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Speaker 2: says Gwen Stefani and Blake Shelton are Cardinals fans because

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Speaker 2: Blake Shelton was a fan of the Cardinals and then

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Speaker 2: the Southwest. But there's a couple of celebrities for you

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Speaker 1: Do we think that they actually own a jersey that

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Speaker 1: you're a fan of Iowa football, you watch every Iowa game. Like,

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Speaker 1: on their scores every week, fair, Like what's the what's

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Speaker 3: You have to know?

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Speaker 2: You have to know, Like if you're a fan of

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Speaker 2: with like, yeah, who they lose to, who they win

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Speaker 1: So my takeaway for tonight's game, Thursday Night Football, which

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Speaker 1: Ones had more consecutive successful seasons on some level than

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Speaker 1: we're going to make a statement of who they are

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Speaker 1: what they are more based upon tonight because nobody pays

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Speaker 1: attention on a weekly basis. Dan, When I say nobody,

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Speaker 1: that doesn't include you, right, but you tell me it's fair.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't feel like there's the same twelfth band that there

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, they were very popular during the Pete Carrol

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Speaker 5: Russell Wilson era. However, at the end of the Peak

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Speaker 5: The list of teams that you guys said of the Packers, Steelers,

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Speaker 5: But there's no doubt that the Seahawks at one point

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Speaker 5: their two Super bowls with Pete Carroll, was when they

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Speaker 1: Who is the rightful al MVP? Okay? Is it Aaron Judge?

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Speaker 3: So Doug told me prior to the show they wanted

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Speaker 8: League Baseball was not something I had on my Bingo card.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to use Bingo.

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Speaker 1: He used the Bingo card, He used the Bengo car.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that an automatic eliminator? I don't you have to?

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Speaker 1: You have to what's it called when you're the lawyer

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Speaker 1: and you you dispute something on the judge. Yes, go ahead, object.

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Speaker 3: Do you have that last part of raised from the record.

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Speaker 1: We can have it stricken from the record.

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Speaker 3: Ultimate ultimate sign of ad is using the phrase I

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Speaker 3: didn't have that on my bingo card. But knowing Jeff, I.

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Speaker 1: Was today years old. Also I was today years old.

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Speaker 3: That no, no, no bingo cards worse. I will say

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Speaker 3: this knowing Jeff a little bit, knowing passing a little bit.

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Speaker 3: He's he's the guy who uses bingo card. That's all

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna say so, Jeff. Jeff addressed the two major

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Speaker 3: things going in Aaron judges favor the discrepancy in the OPS.

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Speaker 3: That's a big, big stat with the nerds. And he

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Speaker 3: fights against voter fatigue. He doesn't want, you know, he

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Speaker 3: doesn't want the Charles Barkley or the Karl Malone. He

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Speaker 3: wants you to vote from Michael Jordan every year because

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Speaker 3: he's the greatest UH player in the league and the

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Speaker 3: most valuable. I will make a case for cal Rawley

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Speaker 3: right now, Judge, if you may.

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Speaker 1: Yes, uh, well, here a statements opening statement from the

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Speaker 1: lawyer representing the site for cal Raley, Chaston Stewart.

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, please, we have never seen a season like

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Speaker 3: this from a player that plays catcher predominantly. I think

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Speaker 3: he's spent like twenty games as a DH, but he

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Speaker 3: has hit like over fifty fifty plus home runs as

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Speaker 3: a catcher, which is just remarkable when you think about

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Speaker 3: the taxing, the taxing of what it's like to be

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Speaker 3: a catcher. Why we always see catcher's numbers decline in

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Speaker 3: the second half of the season, Why we always see

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Speaker 3: catcher's careers and late they're doing upwards of one hundred

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Speaker 3: and fifty squats per game. They need to also the

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Speaker 3: mental fatigue of knowing the strengths and weaknesses of every

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Speaker 3: hitter on the other team and the strengths and weaknesses

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Speaker 3: of the pitchers on the other team. When you hit,

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Speaker 3: there is a mental fatigue combined with a physical fatigue,

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Speaker 3: which is why you never get these numbers from a catcher.

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Speaker 3: Sixty home runs is the third most home runs ever

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Speaker 3: hit by anybody in the history of baseball. And again

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Speaker 3: to judges, to Doug's first point, i completely dismiss McGuire, Sosa,

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Speaker 3: and Bonds. I'm not putting them in this category. Cal

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Speaker 3: Rawley deserves the award because of the position he plays,

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Speaker 3: and it very much needs to be considered in this argument.

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Speaker 1: It's a very compelling case, very very compelling case. I

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Speaker 1: was I'm intrigued by the fact that the lawyer representing

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Speaker 1: the cal Raley side did not list park rankings as

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Speaker 1: part of it.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: In terms of hitters ballparks, the Mariners Park is t

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Speaker 1: mobile Park is the considered, if not the worst, one

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Speaker 1: of the worst in Major League Baseball. I'm actually looking

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Speaker 1: at baseballsavant MLB dot com. It's listed as the twenty

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Speaker 1: seventh best park in baseball. Twenty seventh. That is that is,

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Speaker 1: excuse me, twenty eighth. I don't know why there's not

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Speaker 1: every team listed, but there's twenty eight on this and

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Speaker 1: they are park factor. It is the hardest park to

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Speaker 1: hit in in Major League Baseball, fewer hits, fewer home runs,

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Speaker 1: basically a dead baseball as opposed to the New Yankee Stadium,

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Speaker 1: which is a home run hitters park. Uh it's actually uh,

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Speaker 1: the has the third most homer's hit in it, the

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Speaker 1: Reds Great American Ballpark and Dodger Stadium. At part of

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Speaker 1: the Dodgers Stadium is that they have, you know, the

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Speaker 1: best player in baseball. But Mariners Park is a dead

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Speaker 1: ball park. That hasn't been presented as part of the info.

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Speaker 1: I just I find it find it to be interesting.

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Speaker 3: I want to I wanted to make sure that my

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Speaker 3: point that he is a catcher needs to be the focus.

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Speaker 3: That's the most powerful point of this. So yeah, I

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Speaker 3: could have I could have kind of deluded it with

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Speaker 3: numbers that you just pointed out, judge, but I wanted

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Speaker 3: to make a powerful case to the jury that you

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Speaker 3: should only focus on one thing. He puts a catcher's

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Speaker 3: mask on, and he has the physical and the mental

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Speaker 3: fatigue of playing catcher for one hundred and sixty games.

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Speaker 1: Okay, just I'm checking through my notes here as a judge,

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Speaker 1: I do believe you said he was DH for twenty games,

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Speaker 1: so the numbers a little bit lower, correct, I just

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Speaker 1: wanted then one hundred sixty games They doesn't play, He

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Speaker 1: doesn't play catch one hundred and sixty games. I want

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Speaker 1: just but did you know that cal Ray is also

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Speaker 1: considered one of the best defensive catchers in baseball? Did

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Speaker 1: you guys know that.

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Speaker 3: By what? Metruck I don't know.

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Speaker 1: This is just baseball dot Com I was looking at earlier.

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Speaker 1: I think that's actually considering his offense too.

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Speaker 3: I haven't. I've never heard that about his defense.

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Speaker 1: I heard that either, but I hear that either when

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Speaker 1: I when I I googled before the show, that's what

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Speaker 1: I came up.

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Speaker 3: I've never seen on TV or in my uh, in

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Speaker 3: my suspense novels, I've never seen the judge argue with

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Speaker 3: the prosecutor over points that they didn't make.

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Speaker 6: I just this is this is uh.

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Speaker 1: You approached the bench and I discussed it, Bayer.

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Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 1: You are the bailiff or do you want to do

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Speaker 1: you want to present any side of this argument?

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Speaker 5: I think on the bailiff is a is a good role.

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Speaker 5: I have an opinion, but you guys had good arguments.

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Speaker 5: I'll just sit there and listen.

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Speaker 1: Nobody will nobody, nobody just it's just.

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Speaker 4: Me and you Buyer. What do you think I think

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Speaker 4: it should be? Cal Raley?

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Speaker 1: Is that the heartstrings thing? Is that your mariners.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely the heart like, no that I don't care about

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Speaker 4: the mariners.

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Speaker 1: But no, yeah, I actually think that's the bigger point.

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Speaker 1: Nobody cares about the mariners.

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Speaker 2: Judge, as a random observer in the gallery, I'd like

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Speaker 2: to just point out your excellent point about the difficulty

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Speaker 2: of homering out of Seattle's ballpark and all the other

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Speaker 2: things you presented, but the difficulty of homering in Seattle

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Speaker 2: is a point that must not be lost on this court.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, sir.

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Speaker 1: We'll take this into my chambers. Okay, I've decided to

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Speaker 1: make a ruling in the case of Aaron Judge versus

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Speaker 1: cal Raleigh for the AL MVP in the Court of

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Speaker 1: Sports National Sports Radio Doug Gottlieb opinion. I rule in

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Speaker 1: the favor of Calvin Raleigh. I award him with the

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Speaker 1: American League MVP, and the court offers no with with

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Speaker 1: no prejudice. This is my final ruling. There will be

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Speaker 1: no appeal, and I want to hear nothing from Cavino

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Speaker 1: and Rich until it's their turn to have a Nasha

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Speaker 1: Radio shows. Yeah, I get I'm with you, Jase Stuart.

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Speaker 1: It's one of those I you know, there'll be people

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Speaker 1: who say, well, like, okay, so then should you take

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Speaker 1: into account that Lebron James is forty years old for

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Speaker 1: the MVP. No, this is a positional thing and we

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Speaker 1: have not seen and you talked about it at mid season, right,

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Speaker 1: we'll get to the All Star break. You're like, what

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Speaker 1: do you guys think is gonna happen the second half

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Speaker 1: the season. We all thought there would be a decline,

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Speaker 1: didn't know how much, and there hasn't. And then you

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Speaker 1: factor in he's in Seattle, and then you factor in

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Speaker 1: there they're in a pennant chase or a playoff, wild

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Speaker 1: card chase, whatever. So it's not like he's playing meaningful

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Speaker 1: games where guys are just serving up taters. So he

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Speaker 1: can hit sixty and I think it's phenomenal. And yes,

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Speaker 1: Aaron Judge does have overall a better hitting resume, but

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Speaker 1: he stands out there in the outfield, and every thought

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Speaker 1: through his mind is, h this is boring out here

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Speaker 1: in the outfield, And what do I do the next

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Speaker 1: time I'm at batner?

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Speaker 9: You're out of.

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Speaker 1: App Stuck Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio. So I think

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Speaker 1: I know why people don't like Russell Wilson. And when

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Speaker 1: I say people, I mean a lot of people, especially

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Speaker 1: in sports. And I think there was a time in

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Speaker 1: which most fans, okay most people who aren't in the

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Speaker 1: know gravitated towards Russell because he was drafted what in

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Speaker 1: the third round. The perception, whether it's real or not,

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Speaker 1: is that he was run out of n C State

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Speaker 1: and he went to Wisconsin won a Rose Bowl.

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Speaker 6: He was a a.

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Speaker 1: They didn't win the.

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Speaker 3: Rose Ball, No, they lost the Oregon I believe it

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Speaker 3: was the Rose bull with that team.

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Speaker 4: I know it was.

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Speaker 2: They had an incredible running game and Russe was incredible,

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Speaker 2: but they lost to I think a Chip Kelly Oregon

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Speaker 2: team right in a really good game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my bad, go ahead, Dan.

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Speaker 4: They lost three straight Rose Bulls.

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Speaker 1: I had that, but that was the one Rose Bull

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Speaker 1: like that was that backfield was.

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Speaker 2: Ridiculous Monte ball and didn't they have James White at

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Speaker 2: the same time. And then I remember they put like

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Speaker 2: eighty three points up on Indiana Uh and just kept

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Speaker 2: just plow plowed, plowed fields for days.

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Speaker 1: Couldn't beat Organ. My bad anyway, if you look on

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Speaker 1: paper and you and you took snapshots of who he

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Speaker 1: was and things he said at times like Russell Wilson

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Speaker 1: should be among the most popular NFL players ever, right

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Speaker 1: too small. Uh went to Wisconsin after leaving NC State

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Speaker 1: because he wanted to play baseball right, and then he

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Speaker 1: goes to Wisconsin. They go to a Rose Bowl. Okay,

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Speaker 1: they didn't win the Rose Bowl, but comes into the NFL,

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Speaker 1: you know, and beats out Matt Flynn, takes the job

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Speaker 1: two super bowls, wins the Super Bowl, even with the

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Speaker 1: interception in the loss to the Patriots. People don't put

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Speaker 1: the blame on Russell Wilson to this day. It's all

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Speaker 1: about offensive coordinator, Repeat Carroll, and the narrative was, now, look,

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Speaker 1: some of the players of the Seahawks will be like, well,

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Speaker 1: you did that to help Russell Wilson, but no one is.

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Speaker 1: I've yet to hear anyone else that matters to me, right,

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Speaker 1: And opinions go, you know, blew that Super Bowl, Russell

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Speaker 1: Wilson because that throw is low where you know, Malcolm

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Speaker 1: Butler can't pick it off. But regardless of it, okay,

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Speaker 1: he is not. And I think a lot of it

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Speaker 1: is how it's ended these last four the end of

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Speaker 1: the end of the Seahawks run. The two years in

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Speaker 1: Denver didn't work, the year in Pittsburgh didn't work, and

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Speaker 1: now it's not working with the New York Giants. I think, again,

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Speaker 1: I could be wrong, it's that he is yet to

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Speaker 1: show us that, like you're a human being, a human being,

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Speaker 1: because when you're programmed, you go Broncos Country, Let's ride

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Speaker 1: or I'm unlimited. It just found it sounds feels cheesy,

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Speaker 1: feels inorganic. And again, like we don't always see through

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Speaker 1: artificial things. Matter of fact, some things which appear to

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Speaker 1: be too good to be true and really are, people

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Speaker 1: will have conspiracy theories about why they actually exist. But

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Speaker 1: I want you to listen to Russell Wilson. Remember he

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Speaker 1: essentially got demoted and he'll probably never be a team's

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Speaker 1: number one again. He may start because maybe Jackson darts, thinks,

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Speaker 1: or gets hurt or whatever. He may go somewhere else

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Speaker 1: next to year and is a placeholder until a draft

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Speaker 1: picked plays. But the likelhood of him being QB one

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Speaker 1: for entire season is over. So when asked about it,

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Speaker 1: there's a way I would react. You would react if

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Speaker 1: we're being honest. Here's Russell Wilson's reaction.

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Speaker 10: Now, I'm focused on helping this team win. You know

647
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 10: I'm focused on helping Jackson. I'm focused on me getting

648
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 10: ready to be the best version of me today on Wednesday,

649
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 10: and so you know I want to be here. You know,

650
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 10: I love this organization, I love the process of it all.

651
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 10: Just love the guys in the locker room. I'm not

652
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 10: giving up on this, on us in this season.

653
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: It's great that you're not giving up. Okay, it's great

654
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: that you want to support Jackson, but I love everybody.

655
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: When you've played three games, two games ago, you had

656
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 1: an unbelievable football game. What he threw four hundred and

657
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: fifty yards right? Whatever he did at the end. Again,

658
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: like he had an unbelievable game. They pull him a

659
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 1: week later. A real human being says, I'm devastated. I just,

660
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: I just I don't know what happened. I understand, but

661
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: I'm personally devastated. Like I'm mentally and emotionally all in,

662
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: still all in, but this one hurts. He just can't

663
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,959
Speaker 1: do it. He just can't do it. He's so busy

664
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,879
Speaker 1: being at Tony Robbins, you know, mental health help book.

665
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 1: He just can't let us in and be vulnerable. That's

666
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: the Dog Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. You

667
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: want to talk college football, then you got to go

668
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: get to Josh Pate, coach the Josh pat College Football Show.

669
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: You see him on ESPN and on three Sports and

670
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,439
Speaker 1: Yahoo's Sports, and he lives in your head, Rent Free,

671
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: Let's just be honest with it. Big SEC weekend. Well

672
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: we'll get to in a second. But James Franklin, you know,

673
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: going back to his time in the SEC, granted it

674
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: was a Vanderbilt, but started to build up the reputation

675
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 1: of he can beat anybody but ranked teams. Now you're

676
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 1: at Penn State, very different calculus. Still struggle to beat

677
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 1: ranked teams. Oregon comes in, they've looked like world beaters.

678
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: They didn't play great, but beat north beat THEWLLA in

679
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: Northwestern essentially got my Gundy fired as well. Penn State

680
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: has Drew Aller, who you know, without doing much is

681
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: is jumping up draft bards.

682
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 9: What do you think, Josh, that's a great way to

683
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 9: describe Drew Aller so far this year, buddy, He hadn't

684
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 9: done anything. They haven't done anything. No one in this

685
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 9: matchup has played anyone. So you know that thing that

686
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 9: happened sometimes It happened in the Illinois Indiana game last

687
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 9: week where you have a point spread underdog, and yet

688
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 9: the entire country is betting the underdog to win. Outright,

689
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 9: that did not fare well for people back in Illinois.

690
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 9: Last week, everyone's on Oregon. Man. I did a poll

691
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,760
Speaker 9: on Twitter the other day. I had like fifteen thousand votes,

692
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 9: So that's really scientific. Like seventy five percent of people

693
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 9: took Oregon to win outright, there were three and a

694
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 9: half point dogs. So my thinking on this is, what's

695
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 9: the reason. Let's not just talk about what Penn State

696
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 9: and James Franklin haven't done. That's very obvious. Four against

697
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 9: ranked teams or top ten teams or whatever, like, why

698
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 9: haven't they been able to win? Well, the answer is

699
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 9: they've never been dynamic at receiver. They have not been

700
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 9: able to push the ball down the field. All right.

701
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 9: So then we arrive in spring, they go to the portal,

702
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 9: they get some difference makers there. I go there and

703
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 9: watch them in fall camp when they're going good on good,

704
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 9: they look great. They're winning fifty to fifty balls, they're

705
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 9: pushing the ball down the field. Then we arrived. For

706
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 9: three weeks of the season, they play inferior opponents. They've

707
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 9: done nothing. They're passing games, anemic accuracies off for alur

708
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 9: But we got one of two things in play here,

709
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 9: and I'm going to take Penn State because I think

710
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 9: it's the latter. But it's either that just really is

711
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 9: who they are, or they've bobbled some stuff up and

712
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 9: they're going to give a lot of looks to Oregon

713
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 9: that we haven't really seen so far this year. I

714
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 9: just dug its classic situation of one team wants to

715
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 9: win it. It'd be really great for Orgon to win this.

716
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 9: Everything about Penn State's identity this year is riding on

717
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 9: winning this game. They could go to Columbus and lose,

718
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 9: that's okay. They cannot sit here at home, rev roster

719
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Speaker 9: by week to prep for it. Oregon, young team, flying

720
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,479
Speaker 9: cross country, new quarterback and still lose. That cannot happen.

721
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Speaker 9: So somehow, some way, I think dust settles Saturday night

722
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Speaker 9: and they sort of do the whole bear crawl over

723
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Speaker 9: broken glass to a win thing.

724
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Speaker 1: Hmm, that should be fascinating. Okay, let's do Bama Georgia

725
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: same thing. George doesn't lose at home? Everybody think you know,

726
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,919
Speaker 1: people were selling every bit of Bama stock after losing

727
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: to Florida State. What if Florida State's actually good and

728
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: what if Bama's starting to figure it out? Can Bama

729
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: go down to Athens and get a win.

730
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Speaker 9: Yeah, well, I mean, so let's just go to what

731
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 9: what if all of what you said there is true?

732
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Speaker 9: What if Florida State is really good? What if Bama

733
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:43,919
Speaker 9: has gotten their act together. They just had a little

734
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 9: wobbly tire on the car early in the season, they

735
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 9: pulled over, they tightened the lug nuts, They're good. All

736
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 9: that can be true, and then still lose here. Georgie

737
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 9: is very good. Do you realize they have not lost

738
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Speaker 9: their home game since before COVID It was Will muss

739
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 9: Champ in South Carolina in a three and nine season,

740
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 9: no less, by the way, for sept Landa that beat

741
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 9: them at home last So my stance on this is

742
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 9: kind of like when I talk to you about the

743
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 9: Georgia Tennessee game. I could paint you a pass for

744
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 9: Tennessee to win that game, just like I could paint

745
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 9: you a really clear path for not only Bama to

746
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 9: win here, but dominate. There is a world if ty

747
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 9: Simpson has given time to throw, if that O line

748
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:23,240
Speaker 9: stands up against frankly a Georgia front that hasn't produced

749
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 9: a lot of pressure so far this year, they will

750
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 9: rip Georgia secondary George is very vulnerable. This is not

751
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 9: a ventage. Georgia's secondary. Bama has got thorough breads in

752
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 9: that wide receiver room. So if that's the case, it's

753
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 9: a Bama knight and they'll quiet that crowd. I am

754
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 9: going to have to see that to believe it. They

755
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,760
Speaker 9: are penalty ridden on the road. They are a different

756
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 9: team on the road under the bors so far aside

757
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 9: from the LSU game last year. So if I'm going

758
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 9: to be proven wrong, sir, I'm going to be proven

759
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 9: wrong by Georgia doing something at home they hadn't done

760
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 9: since twenty eighteen. I'm going to be proven wrong by

761
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 9: Bama doing something it's uncharacteristic to their road nature. And

762
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 9: if it happens, it happens. I just got to see

763
00:41:58,840 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 9: it to believe it.

764
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: I happen to be on TikTok saw your real right,

765
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 1: and and you talked about Auburn's lack of exposive plays

766
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: and how everything's dinking dunk around the line of scrimmage

767
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: and Jack Narold's more of a runner than a thrower.

768
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: That said, you know a trick play, which is an

769
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 1: illegal play, and then a couple of other questionable calls

770
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: going against them. They lose a heartbreaker to Oaklhoman. Now

771
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: they get to go to A and M. And A

772
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: and M's on the opposite side, you know, with a

773
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 1: call that goes their way in order to beat Notre Dame.

774
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: We do have a history there though, of A and

775
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: M losing big home games. Is this one of them? Yeah?

776
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 9: So I got a head heart conflict here. My head

777
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 9: is just telling me, don't overthink the room man like Auburn,

778
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 9: just because they lost the game doesn't mean they automatically

779
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 9: bounced back. This is a very cool sport. And A

780
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,280
Speaker 9: and M is arrested. This is a double road stretch

781
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 9: for Auburn. That's why I that Oklahoma game was so critical. Well,

782
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 9: if you lose it, you got to go right back

783
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 9: on the road against the rested team in a very

784
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 9: tough environment. All right, that's what my head says. My

785
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 9: heart says. My heart's where all of the logic is,

786
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 9: and my body it's inverted. My heart says. You know,

787
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 9: your entire life, you've watched teams lose, especially ones who

788
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 9: can run the ball like Auburn. Can they lose and

789
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 9: then they're in wounded animal mode. Total desperation mode, and

790
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 9: you find yourself watching them defying conventional wisdom, and they

791
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 9: just win a tough game the next week. And it's

792
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 9: tough to kill these teams. It's trying to like nail

793
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 9: a jello to the wall sometimes to really get them.

794
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 9: Here's what I wonder, I really wonder if that explosivity

795
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 9: we saw out of that A and M passing game

796
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 9: is just here to stay because it was against Notre Dame.

797
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 9: Is it just here to stay? If it is, and

798
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 9: you're making Auburn trade points with you to keep up

799
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 9: Jackson Arnold's not going to do that, and they'll end

800
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 9: up turning the ball over and it will be A

801
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 9: and M's day. I think if Auburn wins this game,

802
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 9: that box scores really crooked. It's like seventeen passes fifty

803
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 9: two runs. It's way way warped. That is Auburn's game.

804
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 9: That's their path here. It's the game I'm most conflicted on.

805
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 9: I picked A and M. I'm very very conflicted on it.

806
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 9: There is absolutely nothing in that game that would shock

807
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 9: me either way.

808
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: Okay, sc Illinois, Illinois gets stomped last week at Indiana,

809
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: I don't help me explain explain this one to me?

810
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 4: Right?

811
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: They beat Duke Western Illinois Western Michigan that he beat

812
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: sixty three to ten, granted on the road. I don't

813
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 1: really know why Illinois is still ranked other than we

814
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: just couldn't like I guess you couldn't find twenty five

815
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: teams to rank it was. That bigger question is sc

816
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: fresh off of road win against Purdue. They're a six

817
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,720
Speaker 1: and a half point favorite, so not a touchdown favorite,

818
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 1: but almost at Illinois.

819
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 9: Who do you like? That one doesn't look like it

820
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 9: makes a whole lot of sense, does it, Especially if

821
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 9: you stayed up late and you watched Southern out a

822
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 9: car of Michigan State up last week, and then most

823
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 9: people had already seen what Indiana did. Man, they splattered Illinois.

824
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 9: I'm going to this game, By the way, I've never

825
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 9: been to an Illinois game. I have got to do

826
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 9: what I did with A and m Auburn. I got

827
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 9: to see it to believe it. It may be the

828
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 9: most square side in the world. I don't know how

829
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 9: you don't lay the points with USC here. I also

830
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 9: think I think I talked to you about this a

831
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 9: couple of weeks ago too. If you start to watch

832
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 9: usc Nohen Lincoln had Caleb Williams a couple of years ago.

833
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 9: You're thinking, Man, Caleb Williams, supreme talent, top overall draft pick,

834
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 9: blah blah blah. I am telling you I feel even

835
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 9: stronger about it. Two weeks later. I think he's got

836
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 9: a better quarterback for a system right now, Jadon Mayava,

837
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 9: I don't want to compare talent profiles.

838
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:43,280
Speaker 4: I just want to talk.

839
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 9: About the job of a quarterback within a system. Jad

840
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 9: and Mayava a stud man, and you look at the

841
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 9: smiles on that coaching staff's faces. That dude's playing within

842
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 9: that system better than Caleb Williams ever played within Lincoln

843
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 9: Riley system. And you can coach that. I mean, just

844
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 9: talking from a coach's perspective. If you got a guy

845
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 9: who's got adequate to really high level skill, which may

846
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 9: Aava does, and he's doing what you ask him to do,

847
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,240
Speaker 9: but he's also got that improvisation, he's got that X factor,

848
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 9: that intangible stuff you can't coach, ability to make you

849
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 9: look like a genius three or four times a game,

850
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 9: and he's ascending like he's just now really figuring it out.

851
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 9: They're a very dangerous team. They've got stud wide receivers.

852
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 9: They lost Branch that is George's number one receiver right now,

853
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 9: and they've still got two studs out there. So I

854
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 9: know it's it's desperation time for Illinois. I know all that.

855
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,919
Speaker 9: I'm going to the game for that reason, but man,

856
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 9: it's going to take a fight to stay in that

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Speaker 9: game with USC. You're going to the game, I'm going

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Speaker 9: up there, and then I'm going down to Athens later

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Speaker 9: that night. How can you just go to one game

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Speaker 9: on a Saturday like this?

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Speaker 1: I mean, that sounds like a PJ deal. If you

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Speaker 1: need somebody to hopp in in the PJ and fill

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Speaker 1: it up, you let me know. LSU ole Miss this

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Speaker 1: is This would be a pretty good pregame battle right

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Speaker 1: pregame at the Grover pregame at LSU under Lights after

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Speaker 1: dud game in Oxford, ReBs a point a half favorite.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, that one cross zero earlier this week. Honestly, I

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Speaker 9: think ole Miss is going to take this game. I'm

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Speaker 9: concerned about LSU. They're undefeated, and a lot of times

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Speaker 9: when teams are undefeated, people are just blatantly ignoring warning signs.

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Speaker 9: They have warning signs all over the place right now.

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Speaker 9: But they're a really good defense, so it's masked them.

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Speaker 9: But once again, they're not running the ball like they should.

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Speaker 9: Once again, they're in the what I think upper thirties

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Speaker 9: to upper twenties, low thirties passing and in the hundreds rushing.

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Speaker 9: And it's just inexplicable that you could never be able

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Speaker 9: to run the ball at LSU, but they can't. I

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Speaker 9: don't like the offensive staff versus defensive staff matchup here

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Speaker 9: for LSU at all. Now. One of the best matchups

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Speaker 9: all weekend will be Kissing versus Blake Baker. That's phenomenal,

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Speaker 9: that's pay per view quality stuff. But I'm telling you

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Speaker 9: they have not faced a team. LSU has not faced

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Speaker 9: a team yet that force them to trade points. Clemson

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Speaker 9: didn't credit to LSU. Florida didn't. They turn them over

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Speaker 9: five times. Credit to LSUS. This team right here, you're

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Speaker 9: not holding under twenty I don't think. And so this

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Speaker 9: is where nuth Meyer has to make some plays. He's

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Speaker 9: had an abdominal issue all year. It has not cost

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Speaker 9: them yet, but I don't know if they're put in

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Speaker 9: a position where they need thirty or they need thirty

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Speaker 9: four to win this game if it's there without taking

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Speaker 9: the kind of risk that forces turnovers. So I think

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Speaker 9: Ole miss wins this game, and afterwards we're asking a

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Speaker 9: lot of questions about LSU we already should have been asking.

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Speaker 1: Josh is the best man. By the way, you can

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Speaker 1: go check out Josh Pate Okay, the Josh Pate College

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Speaker 1: Football Show. You see him on ESPN, on three Sports,

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Speaker 1: and Yahoo's Sports. Check them out on YouTube. You can

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Speaker 1: get Josh Pate everywhere, but you can only get him

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Speaker 1: answering my questions on my show.

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Speaker 4: That's my sale. That's my sale.

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Speaker 1: Save travels in that private jet. I'm a little sad

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Speaker 1: I didn't get the invite, but somehow I'll get over it.

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Speaker 9: Thanks Josh, I appreciate it, brother,