1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: Please welcome Andrew ross Orkin and his guest, Governor of California, 2 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom. 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 2: Gavin Newsom is here, everybody. Governor of California, Lulu, Governor, 4 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 2: mister beast. That's following, mister Beast. Yeah, I am so 5 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 2: glad you're here, and I just want to say the 6 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 2: reason that I wanted you to come here more than 7 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:24,799 Speaker 2: anything else right now is I think we're in a 8 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 2: moment where the country is trying to figure out the 9 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 2: politics of the country, but in particular the Democratic Party 10 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 2: and the future of the Democratic Party and where it 11 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 2: all goes next. And this governor has become perhaps one 12 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 2: of the most vocal critics, frankly, of this president, often 13 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 2: mirroring his own language on social media. We'll talk about 14 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 2: it in his home state of California. Artificial intelligence, of 15 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 2: course booming, But you're also dealing with a crowd in 16 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 2: Silicon Valley who's moved I think in other directions, and 17 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 2: I want you to discuss all of that and in 18 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 2: Prop fifty and everything else. So welcome to deal book. 19 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 2: Thank you for me in here. 20 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: Good to be with everybody. 21 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 2: Let's start there. Let's just start at the beginning here 22 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 2: of the Democratic Party. You recently declared that the democ 23 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 2: product Party of old is no more, and I wanted 24 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 2: to know what you meant by that. I think this 25 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 2: was in the wake of Proposition fifties win in California, 26 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 2: and of course the wins in Virginia and New Jersey. 27 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 2: But why you think the Democratic Party of old is 28 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 2: not the same and what it looks like. 29 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 3: I would say any contextual terms, that we're finally back 30 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 3: on our toes, not our back heels. 31 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: We're finally on the offense. 32 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 3: We're finally beginning to shape shift, and we're finally beginning 33 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 3: to fight. We've woken up, and as a consequence, we're 34 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 3: winning again. A year ago, we were all there and 35 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 3: ringing because we were a party that appeared weak, out 36 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 3: of touch, a party that was not fighting back, was 37 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 3: not asserting itself. And so from my perspective, I thought 38 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 3: November and what I represented in New Jersey in Virginia 39 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 3: would have represented many respects, but also in Pennsylvania and 40 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 3: Georgia and elsewhere, and certainly with Proposition fifty was demonstrable proof, 41 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 3: including last night, that our party is now back on 42 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 3: its toes and it's a party now that has got 43 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 3: more enthusiasm, and it's a party that I think is 44 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 3: more unified. 45 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 2: Okay, well you say unified, what does that party look like? 46 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,519 Speaker 2: So there is a wealth tax proposed in California that 47 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 2: I think you are adamantly against. Yes, And we have 48 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 2: a mayor that's coming here in New York who would 49 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 2: like to have a wealth tax if he could. You 50 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 2: couldn't be more diametrically opposed. 51 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, I want to be a big ten party. 52 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 3: It's about addition, not subtraction. 53 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 2: But this idea of a unifying theory of the case. 54 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 3: I mean, I think we all want to be protected, 55 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 3: we all want to be respected, we all want to 56 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 3: be connected to something bigger than ourselves. We have fundamental 57 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 3: values that I think define our party about social justice, 58 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 3: economic justice. I think we recognize it's important to focus 59 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 3: on growth but also focus on inclusion. We have predistribution Democrats. 60 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 3: We have redistribution democrats. Lies the dialectic and there and 61 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 3: lies the debate within the Democratic Party. We also have 62 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:09,239 Speaker 3: Democrats that are representative of their districts, representative the people 63 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 3: that they represent. So much punitry has been done about, 64 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 3: well is the future of the Party of Mendami at 65 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 3: the same election that occurred, well as the future hold 66 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 3: on Virginia is the future. 67 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: New Jersey is the future. 68 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,239 Speaker 2: So but which is it? And that's the question about 69 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 2: the unifying theory question, which is you could have a 70 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:29,239 Speaker 2: big tent. But if the theory is of the case, 71 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 2: are so diametrically opposed, how split and broken is the party? 72 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 3: Look, the parties knitting itself back together. We got slacked 73 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 3: in the last election, and there's been a lot of 74 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 3: forensic analysis, perhaps not enough about what happened. 75 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: Donald Trump crushed us in the last election. 76 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 2: What do you think happened. 77 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 3: I'm up to page twenty eight in my analysis of 78 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 3: what happened. 79 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, you know, I 80 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: think we have to become. 81 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 2: To give us a couple of the pages. 82 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 3: Now, look, I mean, look, you know, we could talk 83 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 3: about why Kamala lost, which is separate. I mean, it's 84 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 3: part derivative of the larger narrative. But issues around inflation, scars. 85 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 3: We don't talk enough about interest rates, We don't talk 86 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 3: about incumbency. Issues related you said, be beyond related, Israeli politics, immigration, 87 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 3: the border in particular. You can talk about all those 88 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 3: things not just one hundred and seven days. Not just 89 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 3: talk about Biden's determination lack thereof in terms of passing 90 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 3: the baton. But I think there's a broader narrative that 91 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 3: we often address. That is, we have to be more 92 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 3: culturally normal, we have to be a little less judgmental. 93 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 3: We have to have be a party that understands the 94 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 3: importance and power of the border substantively and politically. 95 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: We have a party that I think needs. 96 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 3: To design and develop a compelling economic vision for the 97 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 3: future where people feel included, to reconcile the fact that 98 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 3: if we don't democratize our economy, we're not going to 99 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 3: save democracy. I don't think it's healthy that we have 100 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 3: ten percent of people that own two thirds of the 101 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 3: wealth in this country. I don't think it's sustainable practice. 102 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 3: The folks watching mister Beast is proportionally thirty year olds, 103 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 3: the first generation in history not doing better than their parents. 104 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 3: There's some underlying issues here that have to be addressed. 105 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 3: We have an economy that is broken for too many people. 106 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 3: And I say that as someone that doesn't begrudge other 107 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 3: people's success. I do that as someone that believes not 108 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 3: in redistributive policies, believes in progressive tax policy, but is 109 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 3: mindful that businesses can't thrive in a world that's failing. 110 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 3: And I think that's foundationally and fundamentally what Trump understood. 111 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 3: It's what people like aoc Berniham and DOMI understand from 112 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 3: a narrative perspective. But the policies that shape that, I 113 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 3: think will also shape the comeback for the Democratic part. 114 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 2: Okay, but let me ask that about wealth taxes, because 115 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 2: it's just it's an easy one to discuss in certain ways. 116 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 2: You're not for a wealth tax and data. 117 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 3: Californian can't isolate yourself from the forty nine others, or 118 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 3: in a competitive environment, people have this simple luxury. Good 119 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 3: people of that status there already have two or three 120 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 3: homes outside the state. 121 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,919 Speaker 1: It's a simple issue. You've got to be pragmatic about it. 122 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 3: Plus there's some simple questions that haven't been answered very simply, 123 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 3: is how the hell do you determine it is your 124 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 3: mark to market, where's your asset base? How you make 125 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 3: that determination in terms of just what the basic assessment is. 126 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 1: We have one individual. 127 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 3: That represents one labor union in the state of California 128 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 3: that has not collected one signature that is considering putting 129 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 3: on the ballot after he collects signatures a wealth tax 130 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 3: that vast majority of labor opposes, and almost everybody I 131 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 3: know opposes. So it's not something to be panicked about. 132 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 3: But it's part of the broader concern and narrative that's 133 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,679 Speaker 3: developed in this country of the haves and have nots, 134 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 3: not just income and equality, but wealth inequality. And look, 135 00:06:56,080 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 3: it doesn't take much. You go back an old Plutarch comment. Well, 136 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 3: two plus thousand years ago. Plutarch was warning the Athenians 137 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 3: that the imbalance between the rich and the poor is 138 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 3: the oldest and most fatal ailment of all republics. It's 139 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 3: so foundational, and it's off kilter now, and it has 140 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,239 Speaker 3: to be addressed. And that's why I talk about growth 141 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 3: and inclusion, and I think. 142 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 2: That's But how do you address it if it's not 143 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 2: if it's not for taxes. 144 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,679 Speaker 1: Well, I'm around. 145 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 3: We can get in many issues related to affordability and 146 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 3: reducing costs, not just subsidizing costs. I'll give you a 147 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 3: proof point of that. This is not an answer, but 148 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 3: it is a proof point. We just came out with 149 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 3: eleven dollars insulin. We're not subsidizing the cost of insulin. 150 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 3: We're manufacturing it, reducing costs, not subsidizing cost We just 151 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 3: came out with a new strategy to provide sixty billion 152 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 3: dollars of utility rebates in the state of California through 153 00:07:55,720 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 3: our capin Investment program, regionalizing our grid with other Western 154 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 3: states to lower costs, deal with curtailment issues, create more 155 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 3: stability on our grid. To also address that issue as 156 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 3: it relates to the broader issues for our party. Also, 157 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 3: I believe fundamentally that our interventions come too late. One 158 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 3: of the things that has come too late. But I'm 159 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 3: glad its moment is here. Interestingly because I'm rare on 160 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 3: my out there promoting with Ted Cruz is promoting. 161 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: But Corey Booker and Ted Cruz absolutely right. 162 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 3: In the big beautiful bill, these baby bonds, that's good policy. 163 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 3: By the way, I did it four years ago, one 164 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 3: point nine billion dollars for three point four million students 165 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 3: going into kindergarten, getting child savings accounts up to fifteen 166 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 3: hundred dollars. That's about creating opportunities. 167 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 2: About what's called some people are calling the Trump accounts. 168 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,199 Speaker 1: And well Trump is literally just you know, vandalizing it 169 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: by putting his name on it. And we can get 170 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: into broader issues there. But it's a good idea. And 171 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: you know, all these conversations are very familiar with people 172 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: are now talking about UBI mincom and all that. Now 173 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 1: it's moved to universal base basic capital and equity and 174 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: sovereign welfare. 175 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 3: This is the conversation we need to start having because again, 176 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 3: we have got to democratize our economy. It is the 177 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 3: democracy cannot withstand this kind of disparity for long. 178 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 2: Let me ask you this. You're talking in a very 179 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 2: national way, and so I'm just going to go straight 180 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 2: at it. Politico says this about you. The headline admitted 181 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 2: Gavin Newsom is the twenty twenty eight front runner. For years, 182 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 2: Democrats and pundits have rolled their eyes at Gavin Newsom, 183 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 2: they say, but he's positioned better than anyone else for 184 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 2: the future of politics. Now what do you think of that? 185 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 2: I assume you'd like that. 186 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: Trying to sell links to political is what it sounds like. Look, 187 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: I'm humbled by that because it's rather remarkable. 188 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 2: You were counted out. 189 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, well fine, most of my life I have been 190 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 3: sat guy, you know, so used to it. But you 191 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 3: know what, I'm trying to meet this moment, and I'm 192 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 3: trying to be accountable to this moment. 193 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: I'm not thinking. 194 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 3: I know there's a lot of speculation about the future. 195 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,199 Speaker 3: And I said to someone who asked me directly, so 196 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 3: have you ever thought about it? I said, I'd be lying. 197 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 3: I hate those politicians say I haven't thought about the 198 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 3: future in that respect of verse. 199 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 2: How much are you thinking about it? 200 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: That not. 201 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 3: To the degree that you think perhaps others that are 202 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 3: more cynical. I really, I'm serious about this. For me, 203 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 3: it was all about twenty twenty five. It was about 204 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 3: finding fire with fire. 205 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: It was about being accountable, not just rhetorically but substantively 206 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: to address what Donald Trump is trying to do to 207 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: this Country's trying to wrect this country. Tried to do 208 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: that on January sixth, try to like democracy on fire. 209 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 3: He dialed for votes down there, said where's find me 210 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 3: eleven twelve thousand votes. The Secretary of State in Georgia. 211 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 3: He did the same thing when he said he's quote 212 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 3: unquote entitled to five seats. 213 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: When he called Greg Abbott, he's trying to rig. 214 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 3: The midterm elections in twenty twenty six before one vote 215 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 3: is cast, and what he expected is California would sit back, 216 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,079 Speaker 3: maybe work to write an op ed, hoping that the 217 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 3: New York Times would run it to say what a 218 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 3: terrible thing this is. They did not, and he did 219 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 3: not expect us to go out and raise one hundred 220 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 3: and eighteen million dollars over a ninety day period and 221 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 3: put our Independent Redistricting Commission on a new status for 222 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 3: three year, temporary and transparent new maps in order to 223 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 3: counter what happened in Texas. 224 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: That is critical. What's also critical is twenty twenty six. 225 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 3: You will not have and I don't you know. I 226 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 3: imagine half of you may just roll your eyes. I 227 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 3: believe this, in my cormayer, you will not have a 228 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 3: free and fair election as we know them today in 229 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 3: the United States of America if Speaker Jeffreys is not 230 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 3: sworn in plus now, I really believe that, sure, there'll 231 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 3: be elections. Competitive authoritarians love elections. Putin I think got 232 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 3: eighty seven point three percent. The runner up was a 233 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 3: four point three That's what I mean by competitive authoritarianism. 234 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 3: Ask folks in Hungary and Orbon, what's going on in Turkey. 235 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 3: That's the model for Trump. I don't think that. I 236 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,319 Speaker 3: know that on the basis of a lot of evidence. 237 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 3: In fact, I saw in fact examples of that the 238 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 3: day of our election just a few weeks ago, where 239 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 3: Donald Trump set out bor TAC teams, border patrol tactical 240 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 3: units to Dodger Stadium to chill free expression, to chill 241 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 3: election turnout. He said the day of the election, before 242 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 3: one vote was cast, he said, this was a rigged election, 243 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 3: sent out his doj with no basis, no business to 244 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 3: be in there for a state ballot. He sent Greg 245 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:56,079 Speaker 3: Bovino in his secret police that seemed to have taken 246 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 3: oaf in office to him, not the Constitution of the 247 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 3: United States to our campaign kick off at the Democracy Center, 248 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 3: to chill participation in our rally. And he federalized four 249 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 3: thousand National Guard and send seven hundred active duty Marines, 250 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 3: not overseas, but to the second largest city in America. 251 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 3: And they're still our federalized Guard, still there. Wake up 252 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 3: to what is going on in this country. It is 253 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 3: code read and I'm sure a lot of you are 254 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 3: fine with it because a lot of people have figured 255 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 3: it out. 256 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: They know the game. State capitalism, crony capitalism, the Great Grift. 257 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: A lot of you are doing extraordinarily well. But one 258 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 1: of the things I'm trying. 259 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 3: To do better is express my concern, highlight that with 260 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 3: more conviction and clarity, and also reinforce that we're about 261 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 3: to walk into the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary the 262 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 3: best of Greek democracy in the Roman Republic, this historical 263 00:13:56,400 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 3: values of our founding fathers in twenty twenty six, and 264 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 3: it's all on the line, and so I'm standing on 265 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 3: that line, and we're trying to push back. 266 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, and I think we're making progress. 267 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 2: I'd asked readers of deal book if they had questions 268 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 2: for you, and here's a good one that came in 269 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 2: that actually matches the conversation I think you were just having. 270 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 2: And this relates to Prop. Fifty. This question said came 271 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 2: in and said, how is California's jerry mandering exercise with 272 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 2: the full support of the governor anything but a slippery slope? 273 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 2: Aren't there other solutions? 274 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: Are there? 275 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 3: We can hold hands, have a candlelighted visual. I mean, 276 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 3: that's the damned Democratic party that goes here. 277 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 2: But I assume you're against Jerry Maddering. 278 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: Not only am I. 279 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 3: Against it, I was one of its champions for independent redistricting. 280 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: And that's why I required in this ballot. 281 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 3: Inedititionve that we affirm our desired to have national independent redistricting. 282 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: And by the way, the voters overwhelming these support it. 283 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: That but a temporary response to an emergency of Donald 284 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: Trump's making was appropriate. 285 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 3: We maintained the Independent Redistricting Commission. We still maintain the 286 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 3: independent districts for everything but three elections for Congress, and 287 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 3: then it reverts back to its original form. 288 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: Final point. These are the first maps. 289 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 3: In US history to go on the ballot, talk about transparency, 290 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 3: talk about democracy. Compare that to the maps who are 291 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 3: drafted and are currently being drafted in mar Lago up 292 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 3: there in Indiana and Missouri and North Carolina and will 293 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 3: be done quite literally in Marlago when DeSantis gets his 294 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 3: arms around them. That's the contrast. And again, we had 295 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 3: to fight fire with fire. It's not one hand tied 296 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 3: behind our back. We're trying to win an argument. These 297 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 3: guys are consolidating. 298 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 2: Me ask about fire. 299 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: That's the difference. 300 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 2: Let me ask you about fire with fire. You have taken 301 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 2: coatrolling Trump and really using his words. I want to 302 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 2: just read you. This is a post on November twenty 303 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 2: eighth from you for me. Happy holidays to everyone except 304 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 2: the seriously demented Piggy who turned the Oval Office into 305 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 2: a revolving door for grifters and crooks. You go on 306 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 2: to say this clown slapped Tariff's attacks on the working man. 307 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 2: You go on to say that his dim wit avengers, 308 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 2: including cash Money, Patel, Dumb, Dumb, Pete, cosplay Christy, and 309 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 2: you go on and on and on. And my question 310 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 2: to you is about this rhetoric, because you have been 311 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 2: very critical of the way the president has spoken and 312 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 2: the rhetoric of this president, and here you are using 313 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 2: the exact same rhetoric. 314 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: I need to wake everybody up. There is normalization of dedancy, 315 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: and it was becoming socialized normalized. You got Pravda, the 316 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: propaganda networks out there, the primetime lineup at Fox, just 317 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: going on and on and on, call someone the R 318 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: word or Piggy, and somehow it's just Trump being Trump. 319 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: There's nothing normal about this. He's a man child. It's 320 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: unbecoming of the President of United States. He's dressed up 321 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: as the Pope it's acting like he's Superman. This is 322 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 1: not normal. 323 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 3: He's putting his face on Mount Rushmore. He sends these 324 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 3: all tweet caps. These are verbatim what he's doing. I've 325 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 3: tried to. 326 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 1: Put a mirror to what the hell's going on in 327 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 1: this country. 328 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 3: This is not normal behavior, and you know what, I 329 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 3: appreciate that, and it's working in this respect. 330 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 1: You know, it was most defended. 331 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:30,360 Speaker 3: I think there were eleven to fifteen Fox News pieces 332 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 3: on this disgusted. They were Newsomon's wife who's here, Thank you, Jen, 333 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 3: she said, wash his mouth out with soap, saying about 334 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 3: me for these tweets without any situational awareness. They have 335 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 3: said a damn word about the president of the United States. 336 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 3: So look, I think you had, mister Beeste and I 337 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 3: love that he was just on. He's all about communication, 338 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 3: he's all about attention. Trump is an exceptionally gifted communicator, 339 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 3: terrible order, exceptionally gifted community cater and repetition matters, and 340 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 3: what I'm trying to parrot is an iterative style. Put 341 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 3: that mirror up, but also test some theories, and I, uh, 342 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 3: forgive me, I think it's working a little bit, and 343 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 3: not all of these I there's a kill switch. 344 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 1: For me, not everyone. 345 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 2: Well, I was going to say, what is not all 346 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 2: of them? I sometimes, Yeah, I don't know what you're selling. 347 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 2: You said coming soon. You're selling new knee pads for 348 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 2: all CEOs, universities and GOP bending the knee to Donald Trump. 349 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 2: And you're actually selling these neepads. 350 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: We raised hundreds of thousands of dollars, by the way. Uh. 351 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 3: They're available today, by the way, some of you may 352 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 3: need to buy them in bulk. 353 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 1: Uh. 354 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 3: But we have the new Trump signature series neepads on 355 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 3: my Patriot site, which is an actual real site. 356 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:00,120 Speaker 1: I encourage you, if you're. 357 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 3: Board, to google it right now. And they were sold out. 358 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:06,679 Speaker 3: Just like our universities. We're selling out, just like our 359 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 3: law firms are selling out. Just like a lot of CEOs. 360 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 3: We're selling out, selling out this country, our future, our republic, 361 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 3: selling out my kids, your grandkids. So there's method to it. 362 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:20,439 Speaker 3: And I mean, it breaks my heart to see these 363 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 3: law firms sell out like this, breaks my heart to 364 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 3: see I mean, President she is out there going my gosh, 365 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 3: Trump's flattery. I mean ten percent of Intel, fifteen percent 366 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 3: at AMD, fifteen percent in Nvidia, emped materials, golden shares 367 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 3: at US Steel. What the hell happened to Free Enterprise? 368 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 3: A healthy horse pulling a sturdy wagon. What's going on 369 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 3: with this country? What's going on with the country? 370 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: The President United States shows up, but the one group 371 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 1: that shows up before them are members of his family 372 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: to make sure they get the golf course approved to 373 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 1: use the terrace's leverage to get personal deals done. Towers 374 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 1: three or four different countries. What is the one thing 375 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: that has come in all his overseas? This meme coin? 376 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 3: The crypto scam world live the Pardons on a daily basis, 377 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 3: It seems this is this is not America. It's not 378 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 3: the America I grew up in. It's not America I 379 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 3: want my kids growing up in. So we got to 380 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 3: call this out. And I know it's painful for some 381 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 3: because you know, to be called out. 382 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: And I don't mean to be a fan. I don't 383 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 1: want to. 384 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 3: Be this guy, but it disgusted me, and so I 385 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 3: thought the knee pads were appropriate. 386 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 2: Let me ask you a related question. President Trump on 387 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 2: his website is selling hats that say twenty twenty eight 388 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 2: on them. Do you believe that he has any ambition 389 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 2: to be the president beyond twenty twenty eight well. 390 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 3: Ambition, yes, but I think he recognizes time of life 391 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 3: is catching up with him, even though he can't remember 392 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 3: exactly why he went in for an MRI, and so 393 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 3: I think his regime will be measured in years, not decades. 394 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 3: God forbid, he was ten twenty years younger. That would, 395 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 3: I don't believe be the case. I take Seve Bannon 396 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 3: quite literally. I take him at his word on this. 397 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 3: By the way, I had Steve on my podcast. I 398 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 3: was in the Oval Office incident link just as an 399 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 3: aside with President Trump a few months ago. He goes 400 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 3: one of the first Democrats down with. 401 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: Them almost ninety minutes and one of the things, I'm 402 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 1: sitting there at the resolutey. He turns and he says, Hey, 403 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 1: who's that behind you? I I thought it was someone 404 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: walked in. It was a beautiful oil painting of FDR. 405 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: And I literally looked and I went, oh, God, here 406 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 1: we go. I said three terms. He goes, now, what 407 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: about four? 408 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 3: He's trolling everybody, but he's also bringing world leaders in 409 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 3: to give them the twenty twenty eight hat. 410 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: Heck, this is how serious he was about avoiding. 411 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 3: The government shutdown that he not only canceled the meetings 412 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 3: with Jeffreys and Schumer felt pressure to get the meeting 413 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 3: back on. 414 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: And what do you do. He didn't invite the press in. 415 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,880 Speaker 1: He just had a photo with the twenty twenty eight 416 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 1: hat to troll them on the desk. So I take 417 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 1: him more seriously than most. 418 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 3: But for me, what I'm worry about again is his 419 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 3: ability to manipulate the twenty twenty eight election, even twenty 420 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,360 Speaker 3: twenty eight, even though he's not on the ballot. That's 421 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 3: why it's so important that we win the House of 422 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 3: Representatives in twenty twenty six. 423 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: It is foundational. 424 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 2: What do you think he's going to do? 425 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: What is he going to do? He's pay attention, We've 426 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: seen them. 427 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 3: He's put American reverse. He wants just to bring us 428 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 3: back to pre nineteen sixties world. We've seen it across 429 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 3: the spectrum and that's not atypical. Republicans broadly has been 430 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 3: support of that agenda, but he's doing it with more ferocity. 431 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 3: And voting rights, civil rights, ALGBTQ rights, women's rights, and 432 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 3: the like. But when it comes to the issues of 433 00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 3: voter id when it comes to the issues of voter 434 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 3: and taker when it comes to the issues of masked 435 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 3: men being in around polling places. 436 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: When it comes to the issue as he's doing in 437 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: January quick response teams, did you pay attention to this? 438 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: He announced quick response teams. 439 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 3: In every state in the United States of America so 440 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 3: that he can federalize the National Guard. Think about that 441 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 3: as we come to the elections in twenty twenty six. 442 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: It's a series of things. 443 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 3: It's not one thing he's doing getting rid of vote 444 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 3: by mail. It's a series of things that concern me, 445 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 3: and that stacking creates a lot of stress from my perspective. 446 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 2: Let me ask you a different question, which is, for 447 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 2: a very long time, people specifically after the Silicon Valley 448 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 2: were very supportive of you, and they were very supportive 449 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 2: of Democrats, and they were very supportive of California. And 450 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,159 Speaker 2: there has been a big move a foot, as you know, 451 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 2: out of the state, either either out of the state 452 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 2: or at least their politics have shifted markedly. So you 453 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 2: may have of Sam Altman or Mark Zuckerberg in your state, 454 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 2: but effectively they are also at the state dinner with 455 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 2: this president. What do you think has happened here? 456 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: Well, they all moved back into the state. 457 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 3: I mean I live in the state thirty two of 458 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 3: the top fifty market cap AI companies. I mean in 459 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 3: the Bay Area almost dominantly disproportionately. We dominate and fusing quantum, 460 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 3: We dominate in robotics, we dominate in space, we dominate 461 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 3: in all these future technology, including R and D, in 462 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 3: nuclear and of course we have eighteen percent of the 463 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 3: world's R and D in my state. Germany about twenty 464 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 3: one percent, China twenty two percent. 465 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 1: We're eighteen percent of the world's R and D. 466 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 3: You saw Tesla move their world R and D headquarters 467 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 3: into Silicon Valley at HP Enterprises old headquarters. 468 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 2: This is after Elon had left, but all. 469 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: He left with was a bag of cash so he 470 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: can avoid capital gains. 471 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 3: I mean he continued to grow Tesla. In fact, you 472 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 3: can go and watch the press conference we had a 473 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 3: few months later when he brought the R and D 474 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 3: headquarters back where he made the case, we've added ten 475 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 3: thousand jobs from Tesla since we quote unquote moved the company. 476 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:10,679 Speaker 2: So what is your relation, by the way, what's your 477 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 2: relationship with like with these people now and how do 478 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 2: you keep them in your state? And yet they're on 479 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 2: the other side of your own politics. 480 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 3: They are and they aren't. It's very situational with a 481 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 3: lot of these guys. A lot of the folks that 482 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,479 Speaker 3: Well described moved towards Trump, sort of the Sacks types. 483 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 2: Watch that space, you say, watch it, What do you mean? 484 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: New York Times did a masterpiece. 485 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 3: It was a masterclass analysis talk about just self dealing. 486 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 3: Come on, I mean cryptos are I mean All In podcasts, 487 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 3: by the way, is you know, great podcasts. 488 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: Not a knock, but you know one of his co hosts. 489 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 3: Is in business with Trump Junior, who's in business with 490 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 3: Laura Ingram On an new spac they go so, well, 491 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 3: none of this is normal. They announced the big idea 492 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 3: at the All In Podcasts. I mean this is this 493 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:13,120 Speaker 3: is a different level of griff than we've ever experienced 494 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 3: in our lifetime. 495 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 2: And I say this, I ask you one question, but 496 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 2: I say this, those guys. 497 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 3: Were already on the spectrum, libertarian spectrum already. 498 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: A lot of these guys were already there. Most of 499 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: the other folks. I think it's a little bit more. 500 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 3: I don't want to say the word transactional, but as fiduciaries, 501 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 3: I guess. 502 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 1: I'll be kind okay, let me ask you. They are 503 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: doing what they feel they need to do, so I 504 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: don't see it as a big shift, as perhaps others do, 505 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: and that's on the basis of very close relationships, as 506 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 1: you suggest, going back decades. 507 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,679 Speaker 2: I ask question because you mentioned David Zachs. The New 508 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 2: York Times had a big piece about David Zachs. A 509 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 2: lot of folks in the valley thought that David Zachs 510 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 2: is doing a great thing by being in this role, 511 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 2: and this is one of these roles. I'm just gonna 512 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 2: give you the position. I'm curious what you take is. 513 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 2: The argument is that if you're going to have experts 514 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 2: in these fields, invariably there are going to be some 515 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 2: kinds of conflicts. Do you think it's been done better before? 516 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 2: I ask because there are people who go back and 517 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 2: look at people who were Democrats. By the way, a 518 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,120 Speaker 2: lot of people in google Land and lots of other 519 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 2: parts of Silicon Valley that were very close to the 520 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 2: Obama administration years ago, and people had said that they 521 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 2: were too close. And I don't know if you think 522 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:32,640 Speaker 2: that that's a fair question, or you think that they're 523 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 2: even in the same league. 524 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna look if you're suggesting that that, I 525 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,360 Speaker 1: just want to be careful about this notion of sort 526 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: of you know, equivalency. There's nothing equivalent about what's. 527 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 3: Going on in the United States right now as it 528 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 3: relates to cronic capitalism and self dealing, period full stop. 529 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 3: And I mean, we can get into two hundred and 530 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,360 Speaker 3: thirty million dollars demand on the DOJ. We can get 531 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 3: into the four undred million dollars Katari jet that includes 532 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 3: a billion dollars of your money where we cut food 533 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 3: stamps to pay for a billion dollars to retrofit that 534 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 3: four hundred million dollar plan. We can get to the 535 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 3: cryptos and the mean coins. We can get to the 536 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 3: resorts and the towers and the golf courses. We can 537 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 3: get into the children of all of these guys from 538 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 3: I mean from Witkoff, sorty two year old Ai Zr. 539 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: Who had no experience and rather cryptos are in his 540 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 1: own right. 541 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 3: The two billion dollars the binance part in all this. 542 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 3: This is a different level. If you want to compare 543 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,919 Speaker 3: that to someone who resigns or takes a leave of 544 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 3: absence from Google to work on open source for the 545 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 3: Biden administration or the Obama administration. 546 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: I think that's not the same thing what I'm arguing for. 547 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: David's a very bright guy. 548 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 3: I'm know you about that, But what the New York 549 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 3: Times highlighted was the conflicts at a scale. He hasn't 550 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 3: done a blind trust, he hasn't pulled away from all 551 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 3: of these investments, and I just think there needs to 552 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 3: be levels of ethics that are demanded of these leaders. 553 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: I want that expertise. I'm with you on that. 554 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 3: That said, there's so much self dealing and that entire 555 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 3: ecosystem is benefited from it. California is benefited from it, 556 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 3: but they do not think it's healthy for capitalism. 557 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: I do not think it's helping for free enterprise. 558 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question about your own prospects 559 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 2: outside of California. California, like New York, is not always 560 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 2: the most beloved state by the rest of the country, 561 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 2: and they look at some of these states as aberrations 562 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 2: are on the ends. They physically are on the ends 563 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 2: of the country, And I wonder when you look at 564 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 2: your own prospects, I think it's clear that your ability 565 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 2: to communicate is one of your great attributes. But there's 566 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 2: a lot of people who would look in California and 567 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 2: they look at the debt in California, They look at 568 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 2: some of the issues that have taken place with homeless 569 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 2: which you know about costs home the Prop forty seven 570 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 2: housing costs and the like, and companies and others leaving 571 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 2: the state, and they look and go, you know what, 572 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 2: if we're going to have a guy managing the country, 573 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 2: California is not the example we want to follow. 574 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, we went from the sixth largest economy 575 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 3: the fourth largest economy four point. 576 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: One trillion dollars a year. 577 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 3: We have more Fortune five hundred companies, and we've ever 578 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 3: had in the last two decades. Went from forty eight 579 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 3: to now our forty nine now to fifty eight Fortune 580 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 3: five hundred companies. You brought up Sam Altman a moment ago, 581 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 3: the largest market cap private company. 582 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: In world history. 583 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 3: He decided just a few weeks ago we're to headquarter 584 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 3: in the state of California. Were more scientists, engineers, more 585 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,719 Speaker 3: Nobel laureates, venture capital over one hundred and six billion 586 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 3: dollars this year. 587 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: Sixty eight percent of that. 588 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 3: Invested back into the state of California, finest system of 589 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 3: higher education in the world, a conveyor belt for talent 590 00:30:58,960 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 3: like no other. 591 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 1: I mentioned the R and D investments. 592 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 3: The future happens in my state first, where America is 593 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 3: coming attraction. 594 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: That said, I also will reinforced the obvious. Where else. 595 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: The dominant manufacturing of in the United States of America 596 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: four and five point six billion dollars thirteen point nine 597 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: percent of the US manufacturing Compare that to Rondo centis 598 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: two point eight percent. In Florida, where the dominant egg 599 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: state sixty two point one billion dollars. Forestry, hunting jobs, eg. Jobs. 600 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 3: You talk about farmers and ranchers. You're talking about my 601 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 3: home state of California. The state of California has seen 602 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 3: population increase. We had a Treasury secretary here who needs 603 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 3: to actually get some facts. 604 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: You challenged them on some California saw population increased last 605 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: year of one hundred and one hundred and five thousand, 606 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 1: the prior year forty nine thousand, the prior before that. 607 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 3: You got update your talking points. There's California derangement syndrome. 608 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 1: It really is, and I'm pretty proud of it. 609 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 3: And I'm also proud of the fact that, in the 610 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 3: spirit of New York Times, the abundance agenda and the 611 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,479 Speaker 3: good work that as I was doing. We've never tackled 612 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 3: our housing crisis more aggressively than we tackled it this 613 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 3: last year. We've never tackled our homeless and mental health 614 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 3: crisis more than we have in the last few years. 615 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,479 Speaker 3: Point four for five percent increase, less than one percent 616 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 3: in unsheltered homelessness. 617 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: Forty other states saw significantly higher. 618 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 3: Increases and homeless I'm not happy about that, but we're 619 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 3: finally making progress. So in many ways, I think there's 620 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 3: a story to tell, and I'm not arguing for my 621 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 3: own case, but it's a story that I think a 622 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 3: lot of Californians are proud to tell. 623 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 2: I want to go back to your You've mentioned Grift 624 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 2: a couple of times, and corporate leaders doing things to 625 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 2: placate what you think of as this administration. You mentioned 626 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 2: law firms and others. I talked to us Sire Chary 627 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 2: Scott Best early this morning. We're talking about David Ellison 628 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 2: in Paramount. It's a deal, by the way, that would 629 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 2: likely happen in your state, depending on what ultimately happens. 630 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 2: I don't know if you want to go see Rush 631 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 2: hour four or not. That's on your I. 632 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 3: Liked I liked one, two and three, So I'm a 633 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 3: Chris Tucker fan. 634 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 2: So but my question to you is do you blame 635 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 2: the businesses for trying to curry the favor or do 636 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 2: you blame the administration or the other political party for 637 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 2: incentivizing or creating this opportunity if you think that's the case, Look. 638 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 3: I think trumps dotted up. You got to kiss the ring, 639 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 3: the fealty to the dear leader. It's the likes of 640 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,719 Speaker 3: which I've never seen. This guy sees himself. 641 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 2: But if you were, if you were Tim Cook, and 642 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 2: I'm serious, if you were Tim Cook, under the circumstance 643 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 2: he's in your state. Under the circumstances he is in 644 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 2: which is well, that's he manufactures a lot of stuff 645 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 2: in China, and he was worried about the tariffs. 646 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 3: He was able to make a phone call that no 647 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 3: small business in my state could have made. I mean, 648 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 3: how about my farmers and ranchers in California. How about 649 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 3: all these small medium sized businesses that can't pay up 650 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 3: the phone and get an exemption on their tariffs. 651 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 1: So, yeah, it breaks my heart a little. Bits. That's 652 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: a version of crony. That is by definition crony capitalism. 653 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,359 Speaker 1: It is the definition of it. 654 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 3: But what is he Back to the generous analysis, that's 655 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 3: called being a fiduciary doing what he needs to do on. 656 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 1: Behalf of his shareholders. That's his job. So do I 657 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 1: begrudge that, Yes, But do I begrudge him? Not as much. 658 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 1: But what I do begrudge is. 659 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 3: The tone and tenor that this administration is set and 660 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 3: the expectations they've set that if you don't do the bidding, 661 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,800 Speaker 3: you don't write the check, you don't get the contract, 662 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 3: directing contracts, changing procurement, sole source on this soul source. 663 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 3: That this is a different level than we've ever seen 664 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:53,360 Speaker 3: in the past. 665 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 1: Some would argue, okay, it's just more transparent. 666 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 3: Yes, it's at a different scale than we've seen in 667 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:04,240 Speaker 3: the past. And for those that are complicit in participatory 668 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 3: in that beyond their fiduciary responsibility, that's where I have 669 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 3: a real problem. 670 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 2: We talked to Dario Modi today and we also talked 671 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,240 Speaker 2: to Mary Bara, and you're going to see a connection 672 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 2: between the two and just a moment. One of the 673 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 2: things that's fascinating in the AI space is that there 674 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 2: are states, including California, that would like to regulate that 675 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 2: have in artificial intelligence, as you know, and for a 676 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:34,400 Speaker 2: very long time California regulated fuel standards, efficiency standards. You 677 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 2: see how we're connecting these too? 678 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,360 Speaker 1: Rest with you, Okay, that's why you're interviewing and. 679 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,279 Speaker 2: And here we are. And it's interesting. I think if 680 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 2: you're the governor of the state, you might say to 681 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,919 Speaker 2: yourself states rights, we want to do this this way. 682 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 2: If you become the president of the United States, do 683 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,880 Speaker 2: you want to do it federally? Well, and what's the 684 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:55,840 Speaker 2: better approach. 685 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 3: There was a president of the United States by the 686 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 3: name of Ronald Reagan whose approach was in nineteen sixty seven, 687 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:08,799 Speaker 3: to advance an effort to regulate tailpipe emissions, created the 688 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,439 Speaker 3: California a Resources Board. It was caughtified by the Clean 689 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 3: Air Act in nineteen seventy by Republican Richard Nixon. 690 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: Did so in response to the SMAG crisis. 691 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 3: In Los Angeles, businesses leaving people leaving that couldn't do 692 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 3: business in my own state, and so they began the 693 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 3: modern environmental movement, particularly as it relates to. 694 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 1: Issues of emissions. 695 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 3: What Mary did with respect I say this because I've 696 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 3: worked with her in the past. She worked behind our 697 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 3: back to work with Republicans in Congress and Trump to 698 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 3: gut that leadership, going back to Ronald Reagan through a 699 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,880 Speaker 3: process called cra with Senator. 700 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,759 Speaker 1: Thune, and she lied about it. She worked behind our 701 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 1: back to gut that. Today. 702 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,360 Speaker 3: She or her representatives are back in the Oval Office 703 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:05,880 Speaker 3: today celebrating the fact they're going to increase costs for 704 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:14,359 Speaker 3: fuel and increase subsidies for polluters by rolling back Joe 705 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 3: Biden's fuel efficiency standards, celebrated by big Oil that just 706 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,720 Speaker 3: got eighteen billion dollars in subsidies Big Oil and Gas 707 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 3: in the. 708 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:24,359 Speaker 1: Big beautiful bill. 709 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:29,880 Speaker 3: That will put us further behind our number one competitor, 710 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 3: China in terms of a global market. 711 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 1: And so I'm not happy about that as a Californian. 712 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 1: But if someone just. 713 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,760 Speaker 3: Came back from Belem, came back from cop and everywhere 714 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,920 Speaker 3: you went there was a BYD, I mean, these guys 715 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:44,920 Speaker 3: are flooding the zone. 716 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:46,880 Speaker 1: China understands the opportunity. 717 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 3: It's about markets, it's about supply chains, and it's about influence. 718 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 3: They're doing in Latin America, South America, increasingly in Europe, 719 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 3: and we are doubling down on stupid Here in the 720 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 3: United States, seventy percent of the EV market is coming 721 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 3: out of China. Now they're three x the manufacturing of 722 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 3: automobiles that we are in the United States of America 723 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,799 Speaker 3: about thirty one plus million vehicles to our ten. And 724 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 3: it's the tech stack where they're dominating. It's batteries, it's software, 725 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 3: it's the future, it's mobility. And so yeah, I'm a 726 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 3: little ticked off that these guys want to pave over 727 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 3: the old cowpath as opposed to transform the industry and 728 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:32,440 Speaker 3: the technology and lower costs for consumers and not have 729 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:36,239 Speaker 3: the socialized cost of pollution and lousy health as a 730 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 3: byproduct of it. 731 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 2: We've only got a minute, and I have a final question, 732 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 2: and it's from a longtime deal Book reader who asks this, 733 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,400 Speaker 2: if you are not the Democrats presidential nomination, why is 734 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,960 Speaker 2: so much focus on this twenty twenty eight Who what 735 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 2: does he want to be the nominee assuming they can 736 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:55,320 Speaker 2: win the election. 737 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,360 Speaker 3: Someone who is a hard headed pragmatist, someone that understands 738 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,200 Speaker 3: we all need to be and all need to love meeting, 739 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,400 Speaker 3: someone who is a repair of the breach and you know, 740 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,080 Speaker 3: the spirit of father cause, Isaiah, someone needs to be 741 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 3: a repair of the breach. We're polarized and traumatized. 742 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:17,160 Speaker 1: This is exhausting, the guy literally calling people the R word, piggy. 743 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:21,279 Speaker 1: It's just not this this, this is We're better than this. Uh. 744 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,840 Speaker 1: The reason I started my podcast and my first guest 745 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 1: was Charlie Kirk to show respect people. 746 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,240 Speaker 3: I disagree with, and Bannon, who I had on Nike Gingrids, 747 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,600 Speaker 3: who led my recall campaign. Divorce is not an option. 748 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,160 Speaker 1: We have to define the terms of our future. And 749 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 1: and so. 750 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,479 Speaker 3: This notion of all being better off, we're all better 751 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:45,920 Speaker 3: off is the kind of attributes that I pray that 752 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:47,280 Speaker 3: our nominee busy. 753 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,440 Speaker 2: There's not a name. You think Kamala Harris could do it. 754 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:53,479 Speaker 2: There's there's again, there are there's literally this year, Wes Moore, all. 755 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,239 Speaker 1: Of them, they're all yeah, there and and they'll be 756 00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:01,279 Speaker 1: the surprise, mister beast me run. You know, we'll see 757 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,600 Speaker 1: if what's the moment. I think right now, the obstacles 758 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,759 Speaker 1: away in the sort of the stoic frame, the impediment 759 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:12,080 Speaker 1: action becomes the action. Trump is so dominant situationally, getting 760 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,040 Speaker 1: back to twenty twenty six, I know we all want 761 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 1: to pay that positive alternative beyond Trump, and everybody's right 762 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:18,799 Speaker 1: to have that conversation that. 763 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,879 Speaker 2: Jd Vance, by the way, in your mind too, I'm 764 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,440 Speaker 2: not a huge fan of his. No, No, I'm saying, 765 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,400 Speaker 2: is jd Vance the person you think that you'd be 766 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 2: running against? 767 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,000 Speaker 1: Well, I think Trump's not sure. Trump will determine that. 768 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,200 Speaker 1: I mean Trump Trump, he doesn't care if he's the 769 00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,520 Speaker 1: heel of the hero, cares that he's the star, and 770 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,399 Speaker 1: he's not going to walk away. He's going to rig 771 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,120 Speaker 1: that nomination. 772 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,240 Speaker 3: And you heard him yesterday even in the Oval office 773 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,560 Speaker 3: or in the academy, and he was saying, well. 774 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,879 Speaker 1: Is it Rubio, is Advance is advanced Ruby? I mean, 775 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:49,680 Speaker 1: he's already playing around with this. 776 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:54,560 Speaker 3: So but he'll make that determination ultimately an extension again 777 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,400 Speaker 3: of his third term. If because of time of life 778 00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:01,600 Speaker 3: he can't extend it and the Supreme Court can't extend 779 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 3: it for him, well you got one. 780 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,200 Speaker 2: More, I got one more, I got a fund. 781 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,440 Speaker 1: Now it's always the last question again, No. 782 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,319 Speaker 2: It's actually not that, it's not that hard. The question is, 783 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,520 Speaker 2: if you are not the governor and you're not the 784 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,480 Speaker 2: presidential candidate, what do you actually want to do. 785 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,200 Speaker 1: Oh my god, look at me. 786 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,839 Speaker 3: I'm physiologically, I'm changing, I'm my arms across well. 787 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 1: I remember I people don't know this about me. I 788 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:26,040 Speaker 1: don't know much about me. 789 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,959 Speaker 3: It is remarkable that what's perceived versus reality and God, 790 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:32,680 Speaker 3: for I sound like a politician. 791 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,760 Speaker 1: Actually have a book coming out, young man in a hurry. 792 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:39,240 Speaker 3: And again speaking of purchasing, you can buy it in bulk. 793 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,240 Speaker 1: It's be out in February. 794 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:46,399 Speaker 3: But to sort of demystify all this, February twenty third 795 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:55,680 Speaker 3: the But I say that to make this point. 796 00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:01,000 Speaker 1: That I'm a small business guy. 797 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,960 Speaker 3: I started right out of college pen to paper, one 798 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,600 Speaker 3: part time employee, Pat Kelly, opened a little business with 799 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,719 Speaker 3: literally one hundred and seventy five thousand dollars thirteen investors. 800 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,520 Speaker 3: I built that restaurants, hotels, wineries. We've got about a 801 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,440 Speaker 3: thousand employees, twenty three little businesses. 802 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,280 Speaker 1: I say that not to impress. 803 00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,520 Speaker 3: Any of you, but impressed upon you my passion for entrepreneurialism, 804 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,040 Speaker 3: my passion for risk taking, free enterprise. 805 00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,359 Speaker 1: And so I'm still that guy. 806 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,919 Speaker 3: So for me, you answer that question, that's my backup plan, 807 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,480 Speaker 3: that's my default. But I'm also deeply committed to public 808 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:40,960 Speaker 3: service and deeply committed. However, that manifests even if it's 809 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:41,840 Speaker 3: not an elected office. 810 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,520 Speaker 1: And I'll close with a Justice Brandise quote, why not 811 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,680 Speaker 1: when in doubt? Justice Brandise? 812 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,440 Speaker 3: He said, in a democracy, the most important office is 813 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,600 Speaker 3: not governor, mayor president. In a democracy, the most important 814 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,800 Speaker 3: office is office of citizen. So it's in that spirit 815 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,919 Speaker 3: of citizenship that I look forward of the future as well. 816 00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,839 Speaker 2: Governor Newsom, thank you, thank you very very much, Thank 817 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,400 Speaker 2: you very very much, really appreciate it.