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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George nor are

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Speaker 2: you with you along with Teresa Chung live in the

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Speaker 2: United Kingdom, where books is called Haunted World one oh one,

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Speaker 2: Ghostly Places and Encounters. Teresa tell us about this book,

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Speaker 2: it's fantastic, Thank you.

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Speaker 3: George, and it's just such a joy to be here.

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Speaker 3: I truly appreciate it. And before I mentioned the book,

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Speaker 3: I just want to thank you also for the are

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Speaker 3: you do and opening the phone lines in particular, because

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Speaker 3: there's such power in that when people share their personal

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Speaker 3: paranormal or dreams stories. And I've noticed that here in

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Speaker 3: the UK because it's been incredible the last three or

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Speaker 3: four years. There has been much more open mindedness to

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Speaker 3: the possibility of life after death, dreams actually meaning something.

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Speaker 3: Although we are still a skeptical nation, there is much

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Speaker 3: more open mindedness. And I've been in the privileged position

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Speaker 3: here in the UK to do national call ins on

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Speaker 3: ITV This Morning and BBC radio stations and this would

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Speaker 3: never have happened twenty years ago. But what it is

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Speaker 3: is there's much more open mindedness and what you're doing

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Speaker 3: as well, encouraging people to share their stories, that there's

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Speaker 3: such power in that. But you mentioned a Haunted World. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: this is a book that really tries to take the

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Speaker 3: fear out of potential possibility that ghosts exist, because we

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Speaker 3: still have so much fear and dread surrounding it. And

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Speaker 3: what I wanted to do is normalize it. And that's

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Speaker 3: what I've done all my career, you know, and these

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Speaker 3: phone ins that I do now where I talk to

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Speaker 3: people about these experiences to normalize them and say, look,

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Speaker 3: it's part of being a human of being. Let's understand

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Speaker 3: it better, let's discuss it. And what I wanted to

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Speaker 3: do in Haunted World, it's not just the UK, although

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Speaker 3: there are a portion of locations in the UK discussed.

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Speaker 3: It's the US and a smattering of places all over

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Speaker 3: the world, because that's whether book is being distributed, and

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Speaker 3: I wanted to show that in wherever you go, you're

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Speaker 3: going to find a location which has a reputation for

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Speaker 3: something mysterious and out of this world happening, and let's

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Speaker 3: just investigate it. Go there if you can and make

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Speaker 3: your own mind up, gather your own evidence and your proof.

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Speaker 3: And what I love about all of the one hundred

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Speaker 3: is that they all began with a human drama, whether

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Speaker 3: that was back in the midst of time or more recently,

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Speaker 3: because there are some recent hauntings in that book as well.

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Speaker 3: They all began with a human story, and somehow that

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Speaker 3: story has never ever died, and it's through the through

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Speaker 3: the years, it has almost grown a life of its own,

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Speaker 3: and that is fastating the students of human nature, for

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Speaker 3: students of history and culture. It's just thrilling. It makes

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Speaker 3: life so exciting. But I also give the basics of

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Speaker 3: ghost hunting in there, you know, show that anyone couldn't

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Speaker 3: be a ghost hunter if they have a ghost of

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Speaker 3: common sense take that along with them. I also discuss

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Speaker 3: the difference between ghost hunting and paranormal investigation, which is

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Speaker 3: all high tech, etc. And I give all the theories

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Speaker 3: in the introduction that could potentially explain ghosts from it's

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Speaker 3: fraud which almost every ghost experience. That accusation will be

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Speaker 3: leveled at the experience there. But I also say that

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Speaker 3: every case in this book, there's always many elements can

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Speaker 3: be explained away by logic and reason. And psychology. But

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Speaker 3: there's always one element that simply can't be explained away,

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Speaker 3: and that's where you need to focus your attention, and

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Speaker 3: something that can't entirely be explained away, and instead of

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Speaker 3: because in all my experience, I just want to reassure

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Speaker 3: everyone listening the living are far more scary than the

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Speaker 3: and there's growing evidence out there. I gather that together

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Speaker 3: as much as possible in the book that will surprise

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Speaker 2: The name of the book haunted world. Haunted has a

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Speaker 2: connotation of being scary. Is that what you meant?

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Speaker 3: You know? Actually, the root of the word is home.

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Speaker 3: become pure soul, you have returned home. So maybe change

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Speaker 3: It's about going home, it's about finding out who you

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Speaker 2: Interesting take on that, now, what was your reason for

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Speaker 3: The reason was that I wanted, as I say, to

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Speaker 3: a national call in I did over here in the

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Speaker 3: UK for for ITV. There were so many calls coming

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Speaker 3: in and I found that these people were very nervous

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Speaker 3: And I thought this is wrong because obviously in my

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Speaker 3: psychics and scientists researching them, etc. So for me, there

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Speaker 3: start to happen. But this fear barrier has to go first,

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Speaker 3: meet intelligently in between. And that's why the final section

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Speaker 3: Although I say we are all spiritual beings having a

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Speaker 2: Theresa, what is the haunted person's syndrome? What does that mean?

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Speaker 3: That's very interesting. A group of psychologists and parapsychologists very

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Speaker 3: varying degrees, we're all on a scale of haunted person syndrome,

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Speaker 3: even the most hardened skeptic who says I'm rational there

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Speaker 3: And these people at the top of the scale are

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Speaker 3: through therapy or counseling, or just some really grounded friends

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Speaker 2: Talking about this hunted person syndrome, yes, and does science

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Speaker 3: There is published research into it now. There's certainly science

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Speaker 3: person scale which if you score very highly on you

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Speaker 3: is there is research ongoing now to get it part

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Speaker 3: they're not immediately dismissed as nonsense.

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Speaker 2: The great parapsychologist Lloyd Auerback will the forward to your

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Speaker 2: book and tell me how you got him and his role.

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Speaker 3: I've known and admired Lloyd Auerbach as many people in

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Speaker 3: this area of parapsychology and psychical research. Will He is

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Speaker 3: kind of the original ghostbuster. There isn't he. He's a

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Speaker 3: I've interviewed him many times on my podcast. He is

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Speaker 3: an absolute delight. He also has devoted his life to

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Speaker 3: researching the possibility of their being life after death. He

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Speaker 3: absolute joy that he wrote the forward, which I'm very

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Speaker 2: Tell us where people can get your book? Counted World? Sorry,

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Speaker 2: where can people get your book?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Wherever books are sold. It's available Amazon, everywhere. It's out.

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Speaker 3: It's a haunted world, so I hope as many people

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