Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
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Speaker 1: twenty two podcast on Patriots dot Com Combine Week. Alex
Speaker 1: Bark in the host chair today. Evan is here, but
Speaker 1: he is in Indianapolis. We've got a lot to get to.
Speaker 1: You want to join us eight five five Pats, five
Speaker 1: hundred Patriots at web radio dot com. Evan, how are
Speaker 1: your elbows? Are they rubbed? How do they look? How
Speaker 1: do they look like they're they're pretty rubbed? His sweatshirts
Speaker 1: all worn out folks. The other day. Yet two days ago,
Speaker 1: I was sitting at a table at Prime forty seven,
Speaker 1: as you do in Indianapolis, and Ian Rappaport sat down
Speaker 1: next to us. So you had rap sheet in our
Speaker 1: area as well as some other couple of people. You know,
Speaker 1: I think that's it's cool. It's a cool part of
Speaker 1: the combine for fans of the game as well as
Speaker 1: reporters like like us, where You're just walking down the
Speaker 1: hallway and I'm walking down the hallway one way and
Speaker 1: Sean Payton's walking down the same hallway and you just
Speaker 1: kind of say a quick clo. You know, I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to go up to him and talk to him
Speaker 1: too much about football or anything like that, but it's
Speaker 1: just everybody's here. We were just surrounded by a bunch
Speaker 1: of different people, media people, NFL people. It's a it's
Speaker 1: NFL spring break, That's what I always call it. It's
Speaker 1: just a summit for everybody in the NFL in one place. Well,
Speaker 1: Evan is certainly starstruck by a lot of the coaches
Speaker 1: and gms, but we're gonna get to the play who
Speaker 1: are there. So we've already had two rounds of player
Speaker 1: media availability, so that's you know, we kind of find
Speaker 1: out who's meeting with what teams or whatever. First workouts
Speaker 1: coming up. We'll be off the air as those beginn
Speaker 1: I think it's three o'clock eastern, right is when the
Speaker 1: first workouts begin, and that will be defensive linemen and
Speaker 1: linebackers today, it will be cornerbacks tomorrow. I believe it's
Speaker 1: running backs an offensive lineman on Saturday. Right, and then
Speaker 1: they saved the best for last, which is wide receivers,
Speaker 1: tight ends, quarterbacks. That's what everybody really want. Wide receivers
Speaker 1: or Saturday line and running backs or Sunday. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: so the offense is the second two days of workouts,
Speaker 1: so we don't have any workouts to go off of, Evan,
Speaker 1: but already a ton of news, a ton of news
Speaker 1: coming out of the combat. Where do you want to start?
Speaker 1: Where do you want to start? We got some directions.
Speaker 1: I want to start with two big picture things. One
Speaker 1: related directly to the Patriots, and I'm interested to get
Speaker 1: your take on an outs. And the other thing is
Speaker 1: more a big picture takeaway as it relates to the draft.
Speaker 1: So let's start with the Patriots. It has now been reported,
Speaker 1: it's now out there that Bill Belichick is not here
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis, and this is becoming a lot more popular
Speaker 1: around the league. Teams like the Rams don't even show up,
Speaker 1: Not even their GM is here. I don't believe less
Speaker 1: need is even here at the combine. So I think
Speaker 1: the biggest reason why this is becoming a little bit
Speaker 1: more popular is because free agency is so close to
Speaker 1: the combine that it's difficult to do all the homework
Speaker 1: that you need to do from a veteran market standpoint
Speaker 1: and do the combine all at once. So I think
Speaker 1: that there's a lot more of that going on. But
Speaker 1: I think the main thing is is that Macro is
Speaker 1: reportedly again here running the ship for the Patriots, and
Speaker 1: I have a positive spin on it for the most part,
Speaker 1: but Alex, I'm interested to hear opinion on it of
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick maybe being a little bit more hands off
Speaker 1: on the draft and allowing Macro, Elliott Wolf and Cameron
Speaker 1: Williams and the staff do his thing. Well, I think,
Speaker 1: whoever you are, your opinion depends on what you think
Speaker 1: of Matt Grow, because I think that it signals that
Speaker 1: Matt grow is getting more agency, at least when it
Speaker 1: comes to the draft. He is the director of player Personnel,
Speaker 1: so he technically oversees and when I say overseas, I
Speaker 1: mean under the general manager that is Bill Belichick. He
Speaker 1: oversees both. So you have a director of pro personnel
Speaker 1: who handles like free agency, trades, things like that. You
Speaker 1: have I forget what the college one is called. It's
Speaker 1: director of so they just call a director of college
Speaker 1: scout college scouting. Okay. You also have Elliott Wolf who's
Speaker 1: just director of scouting maybe more his role I think
Speaker 1: is more about pro personnel, exact type of role. Okay,
Speaker 1: in general, he's the number two. And then you have
Speaker 1: Cam Williams's the college scouting director right as that, but
Speaker 1: so generally, and again the Patriots set ups a little
Speaker 1: different because the head coach is the general manager. But
Speaker 1: the way teams are generally set up, and these titles
Speaker 1: can vary. We all know how teams like to change
Speaker 1: the titles and one up each other. But you have
Speaker 1: your director of pro personnel, which is free agency and trades,
Speaker 1: some sort of guy who's the equivalent for the draft
Speaker 1: and college scouting and that. And then you have the
Speaker 1: director of player Personnel, who's essentially the GM's number two,
Speaker 1: who both of those two, both of those two people
Speaker 1: report too. That's what Matt grows title. And we don't
Speaker 1: know for sure how they work every little thing, but
Speaker 1: that's Matt Grows title. But it seems like in this
Speaker 1: he came from a scouting background, a college personnel background,
Speaker 1: and it to me him being there tells me that
Speaker 1: they are kind of to an extent, putting the draft
Speaker 1: process in his hands, or at least the preparation process
Speaker 1: for the draft in his hands. I don't know that
Speaker 1: this means he gets carte blanche say on picks, but
Speaker 1: in terms of Evan you say it all the time, right,
Speaker 1: it's a fact finding mission the combine. Yes, he is
Speaker 1: the one in charge of finding facts. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: think that, you know, the positive spin that I'll put
Speaker 1: on it is I think that we're trending towards the direction.
Speaker 1: I know. Mike reas head into Sunday notes last week
Speaker 1: that Macro was also the one signing off on contracts
Speaker 1: player contracts now as well Slater's contract, assume Connor McDermott's
Speaker 1: contract as well if that deal is done. And I
Speaker 1: think a lot of what this is pointing towards is
Speaker 1: that Macro's influence is growing in the front office. And
Speaker 1: I would also say that it might be his draft board.
Speaker 1: It might be his draft board. And I know Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick is always going to have the influence and always
Speaker 1: going to have finals say and is always going to
Speaker 1: be there in the process. But if it's truly Macro's bored,
Speaker 1: where Bill is maybe saying the Macro, we need this, this, this,
Speaker 1: and this find me the best this, this, and this
Speaker 1: in the draft. Right, and that's the case. I think
Speaker 1: that's a good thing for the Patriots because it's a
Speaker 1: it's a little bit of fresh perspective, it's a younger
Speaker 1: perspective and in someone that grew up, like you said,
Speaker 1: in the scouting way of life, right, that was that
Speaker 1: was how he grew up in his background, for lack
Speaker 1: of better termers backgrounds an amateur player personnel not not
Speaker 1: pro personnel correct in college scouting. So yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that's a big he's a draft guy. He's a draft guy.
Speaker 1: I have his resume right here. Came in as a
Speaker 1: scouting assistant, then was an area scout, then was a
Speaker 1: national scout. In twenty twenty one, was the director of
Speaker 1: college scouting, and then he moved into his current role,
Speaker 1: which is his first non full scout, non full college
Speaker 1: related role last year. Right, And so maybe this was
Speaker 1: the plan all along, Right, Maybe they knew that that
Speaker 1: he had this scouting background and he was somebody that
Speaker 1: was very involved in the college game and understood the
Speaker 1: colleg edge game. And Bill handles more free agency trades
Speaker 1: the veteran market, and Macro has the board. And like
Speaker 1: I said, I think that this is all just conjecture.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that this is you know, information or
Speaker 1: anything like that. But I think what I'm hoping is
Speaker 1: happening here is what I just said. Bill says to him, Matt,
Speaker 1: we need a corner with some size, we need a receiver,
Speaker 1: we need a tackle maybe, And you go out and
Speaker 1: you find me the highest rated players at those three
Speaker 1: positions that you guys have. Which it's funny you put
Speaker 1: it that way, because I've always felt like, as long
Speaker 1: as we've done a show together, that's kind of how
Speaker 1: the show works. During draft season, you are the film guru,
Speaker 1: like you're the one who can get into the nuts
Speaker 1: and bolts of the player archetypes. I like to think
Speaker 1: of myself as somebody who understands team building pretty well.
Speaker 1: So I say, hey, they need this, this, this, and this,
Speaker 1: and then you come along and say, well, this guy
Speaker 1: I saw on tape does this. So you know, funny
Speaker 1: how that works out, isn't it? It's a well, you know,
Speaker 1: you're shopping for the grocery still if you're Bill bell Chet,
Speaker 1: but you're you're allowing somebody else to do the legwork,
Speaker 1: which I think is a good about well what you're doing.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, uh, take frozen pizzas for example.
Speaker 1: You know there's all the different brands of frozen pizza.
Speaker 1: You want a frozen pizza, but it's just looking to
Speaker 1: see which brand you always haven't asked somebody else for
Speaker 1: advice on which brandy should get. That's pretty much what
Speaker 1: it is. I did not need to compare future NFL athletes.
Speaker 1: They're frozen pizza. But you got what I'm saying, shopping
Speaker 1: from hopefully some like Elios or something like that that
Speaker 1: they end up getting. Oh yeah, you're an Elios guy.
Speaker 1: Of course Elios is fine. I don't know. I like
Speaker 1: Mystic pizza, the frozen Mystic pizzas, Okay, I mean, if
Speaker 1: you I feel like if you grew up in New
Speaker 1: England in the nineties, zero and Eliot's guy. I know
Speaker 1: I ate a lot of Eliot. Maybe it's because I
Speaker 1: ate too much of it that it just like didn't
Speaker 1: it stopped wowing me. Anyway, I just I got the
Speaker 1: little sections. All right, Yeah, we're that's that's a that's
Speaker 1: a that's a true offseason time. We're off the rails. Uh.
Speaker 1: So the Belichick report him not being at the combine
Speaker 1: uh came from a report from Chad Graff of The Athletic.
Speaker 1: The other thing Chad had in his column this morning
Speaker 1: was that what the Patriots plans are a wide receiver,
Speaker 1: and it sounds like they'd rather go the veteran route
Speaker 1: than use that fourteenth pick. Now, we've talked a lot
Speaker 1: about the wide receivers in this class. Evan, how do
Speaker 1: you feel about that? You know where I've been on
Speaker 1: the wide receivers for I would say a week or
Speaker 1: two now, and that's I'll use the phrasing luke warm,
Speaker 1: like I'm not a sold on any of these receivers.
Speaker 1: As Targets had fourteen in the first round. I think
Speaker 1: if you're the Patriots in their history at the wide
Speaker 1: receiver position in the draft, if you were going to
Speaker 1: draft a receiver that high up in the draft, you
Speaker 1: better be sure about it, like you have that has
Speaker 1: to be like a home run type of player. I
Speaker 1: understand that that doesn't always last. Till fourteen. But a
Speaker 1: guy that I would really give an example of is
Speaker 1: somebody like Justin Jefferson or Ceedee Lamb right who did
Speaker 1: last to later in the middle of the first round.
Speaker 1: It would have been on the board at fourteen at
Speaker 1: the Patriots that we're picking in those drafts, But don't
Speaker 1: we also have to consider the fact that those were
Speaker 1: better receiver classes. Yeah, And I think that that's where
Speaker 1: I'm at, is that you're looking at a board where you're, yes,
Speaker 1: you maybe Jordan Addison or Zay Flowers or Jackson Smith
Speaker 1: and Jigba is number one on your board, is wide
Speaker 1: receiver one, and you're getting him at fourteen, which is
Speaker 1: some value potentially. But I think what you're looking at
Speaker 1: is that in general, but these guys all have flaws
Speaker 1: to their game. I mean, there's a report out there
Speaker 1: right now, Alex and I we're talking him to him
Speaker 1: tomorrow and I'm really fascinated to see what we can
Speaker 1: get out of him on this that Jackson Smith and
Speaker 1: Jigba is not running the forty in Indianapolis. He's not
Speaker 1: running at the Combine. There's also a report out there
Speaker 1: that he potentially might not run a forty at all. Okay,
Speaker 1: and it's not gonna Let me just add a context
Speaker 1: to that real quick. I actually saw somebody say this
Speaker 1: last night and I looked it up. Ohio State's one
Speaker 1: of the few schools where the forty times at the
Speaker 1: pro day are actually slower than the forty times at
Speaker 1: the combine, right, right, So maybe the case, and maybe
Speaker 1: we can get an answer out of him about this tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Maybe the case. Maybe he's not one hundred percent yet
Speaker 1: because he did have those nagging injuries at Ohio State
Speaker 1: last year, and he doesn't want to run the forty
Speaker 1: at las than one hundred percent. But I think an
Speaker 1: optimistic view for JSN and the forty would have been
Speaker 1: a high four or four, low four or five time.
Speaker 1: So if that's the optimistic view and he doesn't even
Speaker 1: want to run, then that tells me that he's actually
Speaker 1: closer to like a four or six. And then look,
Speaker 1: I don't I think he I think Smith and Chick
Speaker 1: is a better player. But and we talked about this
Speaker 1: on the last show, Evan, you look at a guy
Speaker 1: like David Bell last year, who was projected to be
Speaker 1: a first round pick, ran a four to six something right,
Speaker 1: and then was a third four six five and then
Speaker 1: was a third round pick, almost fell to the fourth round.
Speaker 1: He's the ninety nineth pick overall. And look, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that. You know, maybe in Jig's confident in his
Speaker 1: abilities and he knows even at a four six five,
Speaker 1: he can be a good NFL player, and maybe he
Speaker 1: can be like Jarvis Landry, I think ran like a
Speaker 1: four seven something. But yeah, these guys also are looking
Speaker 1: out for their livelihood and they want to get paid.
Speaker 1: And if you run a four to six five, maybe
Speaker 1: you prove eventually you should have gone in the first round,
Speaker 1: but you get third round money, not first round money,
Speaker 1: and then what happens if you get hurt, you never
Speaker 1: get that, you know, first round money kind of contract. Right,
Speaker 1: So he's looking out for his best interest, but it
Speaker 1: definitely is kind of telling Yeah, that's that's where I'm at.
Speaker 1: Is that. So Jason has the speed concern whether or
Speaker 1: not he's gonna have top end speed, and yeah, like
Speaker 1: he said, maybe he ends up being I know your
Speaker 1: opinion on Michael Thomas Aux and sometimes Luke for but
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas, Jarvis Landry, DeAndre Hopkins, Keenan Allen, like maybe
Speaker 1: that's like to range those guys project a little bit.
Speaker 1: I would say to something that Jason one of those
Speaker 1: crafty route runner. I know I've always compared him in
Speaker 1: the past to Aman Ross Saint Brown on the Lions,
Speaker 1: who's another guy that ran a slower forty times. So
Speaker 1: maybe he compares nicely to those players and ends up
Speaker 1: being a thousand yard receiver. And this looks ridiculous, but
Speaker 1: it's all about variants in the draft. It's all about
Speaker 1: hedging your bets and taking risks in the draft. And
Speaker 1: is that at risk you cannot I'll say this way,
Speaker 1: you cannot take a four six receiver in the first round.
Speaker 1: I don't care if he's the best route runner on
Speaker 1: the planet Earth. You can't do that and not you
Speaker 1: just like specifically this team because speed is such a need, right,
Speaker 1: you just can't. And I would also say, you know,
Speaker 1: with Jordan Addison, I like a law the aspects of
Speaker 1: his film, but I have concerns about his ability to
Speaker 1: finish through contact and play the football down the field
Speaker 1: and beat press coverage on the outside to a point
Speaker 1: where maybe he is more of a slot detached receiver
Speaker 1: that's able to kind of just get in eat up space.
Speaker 1: Zay Flowers is the one guy that in fourteen I
Speaker 1: still think is a little bit too early unless he
Speaker 1: absolutely dazzles here over the weekend. But Zay Flowers is
Speaker 1: the one guy where I'm starting to come around to
Speaker 1: the idea of him being a first round talent. The
Speaker 1: reports are I guess that picture is out there that
Speaker 1: he's up to like one eighty three now, so he's
Speaker 1: going to come in at like five to nine, one
Speaker 1: hundred to eighty pounds with a four three. That basically
Speaker 1: that profile is what Jaalen Waddle came out of the
Speaker 1: draft to a couple of years ago, So it's not
Speaker 1: too far off from what the guy like Waddle was
Speaker 1: like when he was entering the league. So I think
Speaker 1: that there's a little bit more support there for Za potentially.
Speaker 1: But my point being, with all these guys, and you
Speaker 1: can throw Quentin Johnson into this mix as well, I
Speaker 1: don't love any of them. And for a team that
Speaker 1: has struck out a bunch at the receiver position at
Speaker 1: the top of the draft over the years, and a
Speaker 1: team that desperately needs to hit on a playmaker, the
Speaker 1: fact that I am not one hundred percent sold on
Speaker 1: any of them. It tells me that fourteen is not
Speaker 1: a good investment. But that pig so whether it's trading
Speaker 1: for a receiver in the veteran market, or maybe it's
Speaker 1: just bringing Jakobe Meyers back on a reasonable deal and
Speaker 1: in trying to run it back for a year. I
Speaker 1: don't love that option. I don't think any of us do.
Speaker 1: But I don't think I think that's sort of where
Speaker 1: I'm at. But I have one more thing to say
Speaker 1: about this, but go ahead on some of those other guys. No,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I don't think they believe that
Speaker 1: that's the best way to do it. I mean that
Speaker 1: the reports indicate otherwise so far this offseason. I would
Speaker 1: just say kind of the other half of your argument,
Speaker 1: where you're not sold on any of these receivers and
Speaker 1: kind of touched on it there. They've struggled developing at
Speaker 1: the position, and in what's such a crucial year for
Speaker 1: the offense and what's such a crucial year for Mac Jones.
Speaker 1: I mean, in reality, what's a crucial year for Bill Belichick?
Speaker 1: Do you want to be kind of carrying along a
Speaker 1: young receiver because even if he's good, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: still a learning process, right, I've said, Evan, I've been
Speaker 1: saying this to you. I think since like October, they've
Speaker 1: got to get a guy that has proven he can
Speaker 1: do it in this league and knows what it takes
Speaker 1: to get it done in this league. And look some
Speaker 1: of those names. I don't know if these other gms
Speaker 1: at the combine right, they're saying these players aren't available,
Speaker 1: Maybe they're really not. Maybe they're just trying to help
Speaker 1: their bargaining position. It's very possible. At this time last year,
Speaker 1: we didn't know j Brown was going to be available,
Speaker 1: and we didn't know Tyreek Hill was going to be available.
Speaker 1: But they can still like there's good contributing players they
Speaker 1: can get and it's not necessarily going to cost the
Speaker 1: bank to do it. I look at a guy like
Speaker 1: Jerry Judo I've talked about a lot. I actually was
Speaker 1: had asked Patton the question about Judy thank you the
Speaker 1: other day, and he he was very very tight lipped
Speaker 1: about the situation. And to put that in contrast of
Speaker 1: the answers about Keenan Allen, the answers about te Higgins,
Speaker 1: I think there was one more guy that I can't remember.
Speaker 1: Definitely was one more. And I was trying to remember
Speaker 1: this morning when I was writing, but I couldn't figure
Speaker 1: it out. It wasn't Hopkins, right, I know it was
Speaker 1: Keenan Allen. I think it was Keenan Allen and Higgins
Speaker 1: are the ones that the door was completely shut on
Speaker 1: right where they said go get your own receiver. I
Speaker 1: think was Duke Tobin. Great quote, by the way, yeah great.
Speaker 1: So he that's the one guy that we asked about
Speaker 1: other than Hopkins who's out there basically requesting a trade
Speaker 1: or recognizing that his type in Arizona might be coming
Speaker 1: to an end. And Brandon Cooks who requested a trade
Speaker 1: from the Texans. The one other guy that I thought
Speaker 1: was a little bit to answer tight Limp didn't really
Speaker 1: say much. I was patting on Jerry Judy, so I
Speaker 1: didn't get the question into Sean Payton because the Broncos
Speaker 1: reporters and the Broncos contingent there were you know, all
Speaker 1: over that him when he was at the podium. But
Speaker 1: I was able to get it into their GM and
Speaker 1: he said that we haven't made a decision on the
Speaker 1: fifth year option. That's not really something that we're thinking
Speaker 1: about right now. Case closed, which tells me. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think that they were a little bit on the
Speaker 1: fence about they have less than two months to make it.
Speaker 1: If they're not thinking about it, that tells me that
Speaker 1: it's not that they don't plan on being the ones
Speaker 1: making day. He mentioned that he was happy with the
Speaker 1: way that Judy finished the season last year, so that
Speaker 1: it wasn't necessarily a shot at Judy not performing or
Speaker 1: something like that, but it wasn't a ringing endorsement about
Speaker 1: him being a future Bronco. Let me put you that
Speaker 1: way again. Eight five five, Pats five hundred if you
Speaker 1: want to call in Patriots at web radio dot com.
Speaker 1: And I mean, we can just kind of do a
Speaker 1: proSP back free for all here. But Evan, the other
Speaker 1: news of the day obviously the meetings, and really the
Speaker 1: last two days, I get, let's just go chronologically with this.
Speaker 1: I guess Patriots met with two of the top edge
Speaker 1: rushers in this class, Guy and Tyree Wills or you know,
Speaker 1: this is what the players told the media, Tyree Wilson,
Speaker 1: who's projected to be a top ten, if not top
Speaker 1: five pick. So I don't know, maybe that's a little
Speaker 1: a little bold. And then Lucas van Ness from Iowa
Speaker 1: who's projected to go into twenties. So he's a possibility
Speaker 1: very productive player. I will throw this out when it
Speaker 1: comes to the meetings Patriots met with I can't remember
Speaker 1: the exact number off the top of my head, at
Speaker 1: forty something, I want to say, forty two players last year.
Speaker 1: At least it was reported they probably met with some
Speaker 1: other guys and it never came out, but forty two
Speaker 1: reported draft meetings last year. The Patriots drafted two of
Speaker 1: those players. Now, they both turned out to be pretty
Speaker 1: good players, Marcus Jones and Jack Jones. But take all
Speaker 1: of it with the grain of salt. Also, when it
Speaker 1: comes to the guys at the top, oh are they
Speaker 1: gonna trade up? They went to Trevor Lawrences pro day,
Speaker 1: And remember Trevilor Lawrence has like a separate pro day
Speaker 1: for everybody else at Clemson. So fact finding mission. Not
Speaker 1: only you're considering drafting these guys, but you might have
Speaker 1: to play against them too, So yeah, I think that's
Speaker 1: some of these are definitely about playing against, yeah guys potentially.
Speaker 1: I would also wonder, you know, Tyree Wilson, his game
Speaker 1: is predicated on him being the strongest person on the field,
Speaker 1: and he's really a bull rushing, pocket denting, strange type
Speaker 1: of prospect where brick hands, long arms, heavy handed player.
Speaker 1: If you look at the way that the league has
Speaker 1: drafted at that particular position, that edge rushing position, the
Speaker 1: guys that are more bendy, more explosive off the ball,
Speaker 1: you know, the Josh j types, if he will, those
Speaker 1: guys are trending upwards on the board because projecting into
Speaker 1: the NFL, most of the guys that rush the quarterback
Speaker 1: at a high level fit more in the UJ mold
Speaker 1: and fit in in the Tyree Wilson mold. So maybe
Speaker 1: the Patriots think that Tyree Wilson has a chance to fall.
Speaker 1: I think that's possible, and I'll end this too. The
Speaker 1: Patriots generally go against that mold. They like a three
Speaker 1: down edge setting, disciplined defensive end. Yeah, so like and
Speaker 1: I think that he's somebody that they would see as
Speaker 1: a rock solid three four end yea in their system
Speaker 1: that can then kick out a little bit further or
Speaker 1: even kick inside potentially on like a passing down right.
Speaker 1: And I think that that's something that they couldn't really
Speaker 1: look at now. Lucas Van nesse that I would not
Speaker 1: be on that big I'm just gonna flat out and
Speaker 1: say his makeup is fascinating, Like his entire like draft.
Speaker 1: If you were to open the folder and have all
Speaker 1: the notes, it's really interesting. So the two things that
Speaker 1: he's reminds me a ton. I think he's like the
Speaker 1: George Karloftist of this draft, exactly like that, except George
Speaker 1: Karloftis had started a game. Yeah, Lucas Vaness never started
Speaker 1: a game at Iowa. That tells you something. It does it.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it means, but it tells you
Speaker 1: something that you need to dig a little bit into
Speaker 1: that well. And let me say this on that Iowa
Speaker 1: defense is heavily rotational, right, And I think they viewed
Speaker 1: him in a role and it was like he still
Speaker 1: played a lot. Yes, I actually it's it's humorous. I
Speaker 1: actually don't put a ton of stock into it because
Speaker 1: he was still on the field in every high impact situation,
Speaker 1: throw downs, red zone, all of that. He's he's like
Speaker 1: the sixth man that comes off the bench but is
Speaker 1: in the game. Mon genobly right, he's Malcolm Brock. It's
Speaker 1: just Iowa football. It's just sort of goofy this year,
Speaker 1: and I sort of just as simple as it sounds,
Speaker 1: I sort of just chalk it up to that. I
Speaker 1: think the main the starting thing is just kind of
Speaker 1: like a funny little I had been But I think
Speaker 1: the main thing, I don't sorry one like I see
Speaker 1: some people lumping that in with like the evaluation on
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson not being a captain, right, it's different because
Speaker 1: he still played. I actually think he was a captain.
Speaker 1: He might have been um, but it's not. It's not
Speaker 1: the same thing as the Zach Wilson thing. He did
Speaker 1: play five hundred eighty seven snaps last year even though
Speaker 1: he didn't start. It's exactly like we just were talking about.
Speaker 1: J might not play on first down, but he's playing
Speaker 1: on second and third down, depending on the down and
Speaker 1: distant situation obviously, but you know that that rough sort
Speaker 1: of outline. Now. The one thing I didn't like about
Speaker 1: van Ness when I watched him on film is he's
Speaker 1: a one trick pony. He's a bull rusher, he's a power,
Speaker 1: speed to power guy. I didn't see a ton of
Speaker 1: plan or like counters to his game, and I think
Speaker 1: he's got one move and in the league you need
Speaker 1: to have one move that you can be a foundational
Speaker 1: move of your game. Then you need to have a counter,
Speaker 1: and then you probably need to have a counter to
Speaker 1: the counter, right, I think, really, to be a very
Speaker 1: good NFL pass rusher, you need three moves and this
Speaker 1: guy only has one. So that means that you have
Speaker 1: to add two more to his toolbox to get him
Speaker 1: well rounded enough to be a double digit, you know,
Speaker 1: sixty five plus pressure type of guy. And if you're
Speaker 1: driving that guy in the first round, that's what you
Speaker 1: want him to eventually be, right, I mean, you're not
Speaker 1: driving him in the first round to not be super productive.
Speaker 1: So I don't love Vaness. The one thing and then
Speaker 1: we can move on from van Ness. That I wonder
Speaker 1: is he went against Scronsky a ton he and he
Speaker 1: owns Scronsky. He did, so I wonder in that meeting,
Speaker 1: I would love to know if they asked him about
Speaker 1: Skronsky at all and the matches against him and what
Speaker 1: worked against him and what didn't work against him, and
Speaker 1: Mate used it as I asked him about Scronsky, so
Speaker 1: I would be so he said that, you know, he
Speaker 1: was one of the best players he went up against
Speaker 1: all the time. He said that they actually go all
Speaker 1: the way back to high school football against one another,
Speaker 1: and they they've been playing against one another for eight years.
Speaker 1: And he said that every time they played at Northwestern,
Speaker 1: he circled him. You know, that was the guy that
Speaker 1: all the coaches had circled and for the defensive line.
Speaker 1: And he said that he's a baller, you know, he's
Speaker 1: a guy that was the toughest guy he had to
Speaker 1: face every single year. So I don't think he was
Speaker 1: too I was. He was very complimentary of Scronsky's game.
Speaker 1: But I'd be fascinated to see if teams are asking
Speaker 1: him like the Patriots. Oh, you can totally use players
Speaker 1: to scout other players. Yeah, that's a thing. Um. All right,
Speaker 1: we'll go chronologically. So the first meeting today Patriots met
Speaker 1: with Jake Moody. I still think kickers didn't play. I
Speaker 1: think kickers really play. But I'll say this because people
Speaker 1: always send me their mock drafts. I appreciate the people
Speaker 1: to it. I know I can't reply to all of them,
Speaker 1: but I see them, might look at them. I might
Speaker 1: have something coming to reply to those in the coming weeks.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned. I know people send them to you two, Evan,
Speaker 1: and we did this last year. We've done this the
Speaker 1: last couple of years. It's always that one kicker punch
Speaker 1: we're all excited about, and everybody just throws him at
Speaker 1: the end of their mock draft, Right, Jake Moody's not
Speaker 1: gonna be there at the end of the end of
Speaker 1: the draft. It's probably a fifth round guy, maybe fourth
Speaker 1: round if a team gets really bold. Sometimes you see
Speaker 1: kickers moving in the fourth round. This is a guy
Speaker 1: that was the National kicker of the Year in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one, the Big Ten kicker of the Year in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two. I mean, they're
Speaker 1: gonna have if they want a draft him, they have
Speaker 1: to go and get them. They can't just wait for him.
Speaker 1: But they met with him again after working with him
Speaker 1: at the Trine Bowl. Yeah, And I asked him about
Speaker 1: working with the Patriots coaching staff at the Trine Bowl
Speaker 1: and the one thing that he said that really stood
Speaker 1: out to him was that they were acting like he
Speaker 1: was already a Patriot in their approach to coaching him.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't. They weren't just going through the motions,
Speaker 1: you know, they were really coaching him, and I think
Speaker 1: he appreciated that when we met with the specialist. And
Speaker 1: I'll admit that I was one of me and Mikey
Speaker 1: so are one of a handful of de generates that
Speaker 1: was in that conference center at eight thirty this morning.
Speaker 1: Most of the people were probably out at Prime forty
Speaker 1: seven or Kilroys until four o'clock in the morning last
Speaker 1: night and didn't make it until the corners started at
Speaker 1: nine thirty. It was a very small contingent in there,
Speaker 1: but by far the largest crowd and the number one
Speaker 1: podium was Jake Moody. So Jake Moody got all sorts
Speaker 1: of attention. He was the guy in the room to
Speaker 1: talk to this morning among the specialists, so I think
Speaker 1: that he's going to get a lot of buzz. I
Speaker 1: agree with you. I had him in my mock draft,
Speaker 1: I think as a sixth round pick, and I said
Speaker 1: that was too low, too low. You were right, it
Speaker 1: was too low. I think he could sneak into the
Speaker 1: fourth round a team that really wants to draft him,
Speaker 1: that just doesn't want to lose him in the fifth round.
Speaker 1: But he's I don't think Jake Moody's making it out
Speaker 1: of the fifth round, all right, and then I think
Speaker 1: this is one A lot of people were waiting for.
Speaker 1: The cornerbacks spoke after the specialists, all the defensive backs. Actually, right,
Speaker 1: it was safeties as well. Yeah, we didn't hear as
Speaker 1: much from the safeties in terms of Patriots related meetings
Speaker 1: or whatever. Right, but a number of the projected first
Speaker 1: round corners, and there are a lot of first round
Speaker 1: corners in this draft. But I'll just run through them
Speaker 1: real quick and then we can react. Joey Porter of
Speaker 1: Penn State, Christian Gonzalez of Oregon, Cam Smith of South Carolina,
Speaker 1: Emmanuel Forbes junior f Mississippi State, and then a couple
Speaker 1: of Day two guys as well, Eli Ricks from Alabama
Speaker 1: and Jay Ward from LSU Evan. We gotta start though,
Speaker 1: with Joey Porter Jr. Because I've been big on this.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna take him. They traditionally don't
Speaker 1: take guys from Penn State. You know, there's the things
Speaker 1: Joey Porter Senior has said about the Patriots in the past.
Speaker 1: Maybe they hash it all out. Maybe that's what the
Speaker 1: meaning was, because I think he's the best corner in
Speaker 1: the draft. He was very, very polished very impressive health
Speaker 1: court at his podium for about twenty minutes, answering questions
Speaker 1: not only from the Patriots continued out here, Alex, but
Speaker 1: also from the Baltimore contingent out here and about his
Speaker 1: father in the rivalry with the Ravens and things like that,
Speaker 1: and he gave great answers to all of it. He
Speaker 1: said to the Baltimore thing that that's his dad's problem, right,
Speaker 1: that's his dad's rival That's a great answer. It's not
Speaker 1: nothing to do with him. He said to the Patriots
Speaker 1: question that he actually thinks that his father would be
Speaker 1: happy about him going to the Patriots because of Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick and the system defensively and the fact that he
Speaker 1: would probably thrive with those two things. So from a
Speaker 1: football perspective, I think that there's a lot to love
Speaker 1: about his makeup. He's very poised, confident. He didn't get
Speaker 1: up there and feel like he had to be this
Speaker 1: like aggressive, raw, raw guy like his father. Right. He
Speaker 1: was his own person up there, and I would also
Speaker 1: he he reminded me a lot of Patrick Surtin a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, whose father was, of course Patrick
Speaker 1: Curtin Senior in the NFL for a long time, and
Speaker 1: the way he approached the interview and his approaching this
Speaker 1: whole process, you can just tell that he's been coached
Speaker 1: off the field as well by his dad and brought
Speaker 1: along by his dad to be the best pro that
Speaker 1: he can be and set himself up to be drafted
Speaker 1: as high as he can go. He mentioned that his
Speaker 1: parents sat him down last year. He wanted to come
Speaker 1: out early from Penn State, and his parents sat him
Speaker 1: down and said, you're not ready, Like maturity wise, you're
Speaker 1: not ready. He might be ready football wise, but you're
Speaker 1: not ready in terms of maturity. And he's that he
Speaker 1: took it hard that he was you know, he was
Speaker 1: upset that his parents didn't see his parents felt like
Speaker 1: he was still a kid right and needed to grow
Speaker 1: up a little bit more. And he said he took
Speaker 1: it hard, but he went back to school and he
Speaker 1: said it was the best thing for him in the end,
Speaker 1: and he's really happy about it. The one thing I
Speaker 1: asked him about, we know you're big, we know your
Speaker 1: physical the wingspan, all that kind of stuff. What's like
Speaker 1: the one thing that's under you feel like it's being
Speaker 1: slept on about your game And he mentioned play speed
Speaker 1: and in straight line speed. He feels like he's going
Speaker 1: to run faster in the forty than people give him
Speaker 1: credit for. So we'll see what he ends up putting
Speaker 1: up time wise. But my big picture thing as we
Speaker 1: go through these meetings with the corners, I've asked some
Speaker 1: people here what's the best position group in the draft,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people have said tight end, which
Speaker 1: is the consensus. I think a lot of people love
Speaker 1: this tight end class, but more and more people that
Speaker 1: you ask are saying corner. Yeah, And I think corner.
Speaker 1: I had one person say to me that they think
Speaker 1: that twenty corners are going to go in the top
Speaker 1: one hundred of this draft I have, so I didn't
Speaker 1: include Slock corners when I did my breakdown, I didn't
Speaker 1: include Slock corners. I only did guy six, one and taller.
Speaker 1: I have fifteen corners in the top one hundred I have.
Speaker 1: It's a loaded group eight with first round great. I
Speaker 1: don't think all eight go in the first round, but
Speaker 1: I think some combination of those eight end up going
Speaker 1: in the first round. This corner class is absurd, but
Speaker 1: so there are options. One guy we've kind of circled
Speaker 1: for the Patriots so I said, like Joey Porter, we've
Speaker 1: wondered this and that with the Patriots, consider him and
Speaker 1: they met with them. A guy I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people, myself included, you included, like for the Patriots,
Speaker 1: is Devin Witherspoon who So did he talk today? I
Speaker 1: didn't see anything now, so he was stuck at medical
Speaker 1: I would has happened, okay in the past. It happened
Speaker 1: yesterday as well with a top prospect that didn't make
Speaker 1: it out. I can't remember who was. But it's not
Speaker 1: necessarily mean that they found something and they had to
Speaker 1: get him further time. Oh no, it's it's the whole process.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it gets backdrop. And his last name starts
Speaker 1: with a W. I bet they do it alphabetically, so
Speaker 1: he's kind of at the end there. No, I could
Speaker 1: totally see that, right, So if he didn't talk, But
Speaker 1: just walking around the room today during the corner a
Speaker 1: couple of rounds of corners. The other thing that really
Speaker 1: stood out was how big all these guys are. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there all you know, obviously there are like the Travis
Speaker 1: Hodges to Jeez, much easier than you're making it. There
Speaker 1: aren't Travis Hobbs Thomason's there are Clark Phillips, who's a
Speaker 1: little bit of a smaller Corner. But besides that, you're
Speaker 1: walking around in this room and these guys are big.
Speaker 1: I mean they're all big. Kiely Ringo, Joey Porter, Christian
Speaker 1: Gonzalez is is huge. I mean he's like six two
Speaker 1: gotta be six two two and pounds, A big, big kid.
Speaker 1: He was really impressive as well. He talked about a
Speaker 1: little bit about, you know, the different coverage styles that
Speaker 1: Oregon played. I mentioned that press man was their base,
Speaker 1: but they had a lot of match zone as well
Speaker 1: in their system that they ran, and so he heated
Speaker 1: a little bit of both of those things. Him and
Speaker 1: Joey Porter Junior were the most impressive, both physically just
Speaker 1: looking at them and also in terms of the interviews.
Speaker 1: And I think both of them are going to be
Speaker 1: off the board quickly and potentially targets at fourteen for
Speaker 1: the Patriots. I just quickly. I I don't really fully understand,
Speaker 1: and Alex, I think you agree with me on this.
Speaker 1: I don't really fully understand the pushback about corner in
Speaker 1: the first round from people that I sometimes hear when
Speaker 1: we bring it up the Patriots system, whether it's been
Speaker 1: ty Law, Derrel Reeves, keep to Leaves to fond Gilmore.
Speaker 1: They've won super bowl when they have a number one corner.
Speaker 1: And granted they've won super Bowls when they had Tom
Speaker 1: Brady too, But I'm just talking about it from a
Speaker 1: defensive perspective. The Patriots want to play man to man.
Speaker 1: They tell us that all the time, and we talked
Speaker 1: to the coaching staff. They want to play man to man.
Speaker 1: And right now they have a handful of really solid,
Speaker 1: good corners, but they don't have any elite corners and
Speaker 1: they need for their system to thrive, that's what they need.
Speaker 1: And I hear a lot of two. Well, they're great
Speaker 1: at u DFA's they're grant at finding diamonds in the
Speaker 1: rough at that position. Why would you take one in
Speaker 1: the first round? And there's some truth to that. J C. Jackson,
Speaker 1: Malcolm Butler, John Jones. But those are any of those
Speaker 1: guys number one corners, Alex like, are any of those
Speaker 1: guys number one corners? And the guys that are number
Speaker 1: one corners in the history of the Patriots, they've had
Speaker 1: to go out and pay a bag to in free
Speaker 1: agency to get them on the team or trade from
Speaker 1: like to lead. So they've had to go to the
Speaker 1: veteran market because they haven't invested a top thirty two
Speaker 1: pick on a cornerback in the Belichick era besides Devin mcporty,
Speaker 1: who ended up being in safety. So they that premium
Speaker 1: talent is something that's important to their secondary and you
Speaker 1: only find that at the top of the draft, Like
Speaker 1: these udfas might be nice fines, but they're not number
Speaker 1: one cornerbacks. So my pushback on a corner at fourteen
Speaker 1: would be two things. One, I just think the way
Speaker 1: they've operated the last couple of years, the biggest hole
Speaker 1: on the depth chart, regardless of position, The biggest hole
Speaker 1: on the depth chart is the first pick was quarterback
Speaker 1: in twenty one. It will because then it used the
Speaker 1: first round pick in twenty twenty was quarterback in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one, and it was a guard last year. And
Speaker 1: by the way, there's a bolt when Matt grow stepped
Speaker 1: into this new role that he's in. So maybe and
Speaker 1: if we think Matt GROW's gonna have a bigger role
Speaker 1: this year than maybe even more so and tackle right
Speaker 1: now is you look at it fill out the depth
Speaker 1: chart you can fill out the depth chart a corner.
Speaker 1: If they had a play game today, you can fill
Speaker 1: out the depth charted corner. Can't fill it out a tackle.
Speaker 1: You really can't do it. Not to be game ready anyway.
Speaker 1: It's a fair point. And and the other thing I
Speaker 1: would add is, so you're talking about, all right, well,
Speaker 1: you can only get this kind of talent in the
Speaker 1: first thirty two picks, Evan, if this was I hate
Speaker 1: to do this because I think it's kind of a
Speaker 1: stupid argument, but it's the only way I can make
Speaker 1: the point. You just kind of have to be open
Speaker 1: minded and let me do this. Joey Porter Jr. Devin
Speaker 1: Weatherspoon are generational talents. Those two guys don't come along
Speaker 1: in every draft. Two of them in one draft is absurd.
Speaker 1: Take those two guys out. Let's say this is some
Speaker 1: other draft, right, Derek, guys you can get who are
Speaker 1: some of the guys we think are in play it
Speaker 1: at forty six? Got like Tyree Stevenson, I got like
Speaker 1: Julie's Brents if he runs well from Maryland. I'm blanking
Speaker 1: on the name Deontay Banks, right, these are guys who Banks.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a little bit of a stretch, for these
Speaker 1: are guys who are to be on the board of
Speaker 1: forty six. Take Porter and Witherspoon out the generational talents.
Speaker 1: We're talking about those guys at fourteen, aren't we We're
Speaker 1: talking about those guys' potential top fifteen picks because that's
Speaker 1: their talent level. Them going in the second round is
Speaker 1: not dictated by how talented they are. Necessarily it is
Speaker 1: to an extent, obviously, because I don't think they're on
Speaker 1: the level of Porter or Witherspoon. But in most drafts,
Speaker 1: a player that talented is going to go in the
Speaker 1: first round. It's just not in the case this year
Speaker 1: because the class is so loaded. So I think you
Speaker 1: can take a corner at forty six that you might
Speaker 1: get at fourteen in another year. So to say you
Speaker 1: can only find that kind of talent at fourteen, I
Speaker 1: think is it's an incomplete argument because you're not acknowledging
Speaker 1: the kind of talent that's in this class. Okay, so
Speaker 1: I'll give you that. I'll give you that. It can
Speaker 1: be forty six. But I think that looking at these porners,
Speaker 1: talking to them, watching them on film before I got here,
Speaker 1: there's this is a draft where you got to take
Speaker 1: a corner in the first two rounds just because you
Speaker 1: gotta get you I'll even give you a top one hundred.
Speaker 1: I'll even give you top one hundred. Even sure, top
Speaker 1: one hundred, but you got to take one of these days.
Speaker 1: You have to take a bite at the apple and this. Yes, right,
Speaker 1: so hang on, great group. Sorry, it's to cut you
Speaker 1: off there. It's tougher when we're not together in person.
Speaker 1: Let's do an exercise here. You said that twenty corners.
Speaker 1: Somebody thinks twenty corners are gonna go on the top
Speaker 1: one hundred, right, yes, all right, let's see. Let's see
Speaker 1: where the twentieth corner went last year? Should we do this?
Speaker 1: And kind of because I think this is a good
Speaker 1: way to display it. There were four corners went in
Speaker 1: the first round five, six, seven, eight, nine through two rounds, ten, eleven,
Speaker 1: twelve through three rounds, So there were only twelve corners
Speaker 1: on the first two days last year. You're saying there's
Speaker 1: gonna be twenty in that range. We keep going thirteen, four, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen.
Speaker 1: The twentieth corner last year, Evan was Kobe Durant at
Speaker 1: a South Carolina state, was the second to last pick
Speaker 1: of the fourth round, one hundred forty second overall. So again,
Speaker 1: think about that, that's the range the corners went in
Speaker 1: last year, basically four rounds. We're saying that the same
Speaker 1: number of corners in this class are going to go
Speaker 1: in half the time. Does that make sense? Yeah, as
Speaker 1: to like how good this class is we have And
Speaker 1: by the way, you wonder who corner twenty one was
Speaker 1: last year. Tariq Walling was Corner twenty one. It's the
Speaker 1: first corner pick to the fifth round. So we have
Speaker 1: our guys, like I know, we both pretty much like Brand's,
Speaker 1: I like Banks from Maryland. I'm sure there's guys that
Speaker 1: you like as well that I'm not necessarily as highon.
Speaker 1: We haven't really talked to about Tam Smith Emmanuel Forbes though,
Speaker 1: where I think our two guys ms I'm starting to
Speaker 1: get very high on. I didn't do a ton of
Speaker 1: work on him early. He was kind of towards the
Speaker 1: bottom of my list, but I've started too, and he's
Speaker 1: really impressive. So his technique is really raw. He's somebody
Speaker 1: that I think has a lot of technique work left
Speaker 1: to go, which is when I tend to watch these
Speaker 1: guys and try to rank them and things like that.
Speaker 1: I always I like the guys that are technically sad, right,
Speaker 1: the guys that are finished in that regard a little
Speaker 1: bit more so. He's a little bit overreactive at the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. He gets, oh get he opens up
Speaker 1: a little bit faster than you would like with fakes
Speaker 1: and route releases and things like that. He overreacts a
Speaker 1: little and he gets a little bit grabby, and his
Speaker 1: transitions at the top of the router are not as
Speaker 1: smooth as some of the other guys. So those are
Speaker 1: some of the things I saw on film with him.
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm kind of in the minority. I think
Speaker 1: with him. I think that a lot of people really
Speaker 1: like him, and to the point where if he tests
Speaker 1: welled his weekend and I might need to go back
Speaker 1: and rewatch the film and see what I didn't see
Speaker 1: the first time, because there's a lot of really positive
Speaker 1: reviews about him, and he's supposed to test pretty well.
Speaker 1: I think the one thing is is that he has
Speaker 1: great stats, like his ball production was, It's not just great.
Speaker 1: And this is where I want to jump in he
Speaker 1: had fourteen picks in three years and sell all I
Speaker 1: had last year alone six picks or sorry, ten pass breakups,
Speaker 1: six picks. Three of those were picked sixes. So I
Speaker 1: went back and watched all of his interceptions from last year,
Speaker 1: and I hate to do this too, but like something,
Speaker 1: a lot of them are pretty flukey, like you know
Speaker 1: the one that everybody posts and when he jumps the screen.
Speaker 1: But isn't there something to be said for being in
Speaker 1: the right place at the right time at that position.
Speaker 1: There is? But like I need guys that can cover
Speaker 1: down the field. So here here's what I'd say. Sorry
Speaker 1: to keep cutting you off, but I think we're going
Speaker 1: in the same direction. I basically want to make the
Speaker 1: point before you do. I don't think he's I don't
Speaker 1: think he's like a lockdown like Stefan Gilmore, Terrell Reeva's
Speaker 1: kind of corner. He's a ball hawk. The question is
Speaker 1: is he j C. Jackson or is he Trayvon dis Yeah,
Speaker 1: that that's I think affair. I think Trayvon Diggs is
Speaker 1: probably the guy that he's hoping to become in the league.
Speaker 1: That that's that's a decent comparison. I just think, well,
Speaker 1: Trayvon Diggs. First of all, he took another step forward
Speaker 1: last year for Dallas and has really become a very
Speaker 1: good mayor corner, you know, a good shadow of corner now.
Speaker 1: So he's somebody that I think is really elevated. Past
Speaker 1: is the ball hawking and the jac Jackson, you know,
Speaker 1: Asante Samuel type of corner. I don't know. I just didn't.
Speaker 1: I saw some some stuff on film with Emmanuel Forms.
Speaker 1: I wasn't too crazy about technique wise, like I've had
Speaker 1: just mentioned, and a lot it go. I can actually
Speaker 1: watch some of the interceptions that he had last year.
Speaker 1: How much of those are were right place, right time
Speaker 1: versus This was just a great rep by the corner.
Speaker 1: And I think that if you're a team and you're
Speaker 1: looking to translate to the next level, you have to
Speaker 1: be focused a little bit on the second thing. Great
Speaker 1: rep by the corner, not necessarily oh you know, he
Speaker 1: jumped a screen pass and will leap his throat right
Speaker 1: to him. That was the one against Kentucky, I think
Speaker 1: is the one that gets circulated a lot it. Remember
Speaker 1: the pick six that Kyle Dugger had in Vegas his
Speaker 1: past season. It's the same exact play and but that's
Speaker 1: a play the Patriots are gonna love because how did
Speaker 1: Dugger make that play? He told us he saw the
Speaker 1: look on film and he knew to be ready for it.
Speaker 1: That's what they want. I guess. I just I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to bash him. Camp Smith is the
Speaker 1: other one too that I think is somebody that's going
Speaker 1: to get drafted early, top fifty, top sixty type of player.
Speaker 1: A lot of people have him as the lock first rounder,
Speaker 1: so you're run him than most. He's really physical, a
Speaker 1: really good in press man coverage. I'll tell you the
Speaker 1: reason why I wasn't and I asked him about it
Speaker 1: because I was just curious. The reason why I wasn't
Speaker 1: super high on him is because of his game against
Speaker 1: Jalen Hyatt against Tennessee, where I'm gonna just he was afraid.
Speaker 1: He was afraid, like he was afraid to get in
Speaker 1: Jalen Hyatt's face and really challenge Jalen high coming off
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. He played eight yards off of
Speaker 1: him the entire game, and in the end, I think
Speaker 1: the South Carolina's defense got what they wanted, which was
Speaker 1: Hyatt had to sit every route down underneath the defense
Speaker 1: and really didn't get vertical too much on him like
Speaker 1: he had in previous games. But when I see that, like,
Speaker 1: I want if I'm drafting a corner early, and I
Speaker 1: want that alpham mentality, like I don't care that you're
Speaker 1: the favorite to win the bullet and a cough, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get in your face and I'm gonna take you
Speaker 1: out of this game. Playing eight yards off and letting
Speaker 1: him catch a six yard hitch against you every single time.
Speaker 1: That doesn't take anything right, like like a lot of
Speaker 1: guys can do. So that was sort of where I
Speaker 1: was with Campcer. He mentioned the option route to that
Speaker 1: Tennessee ran all the season long, where it's a conversion.
Speaker 1: They let Jalen Hyatt decide. If it's off coverage, he's
Speaker 1: gonna sit it down. If it's man, he's gonna run
Speaker 1: a de vertical right, and they were trying to get
Speaker 1: him to convert it to sit down. He didn't want
Speaker 1: Jalen hya to get up the field on them. I
Speaker 1: would have liked to have seen them let Cam Smith,
Speaker 1: who I think is one of the more physical corners
Speaker 1: in this draft, actually get in his face and challenge
Speaker 1: and they didn't really do any thoughts on any other
Speaker 1: corners they talked. I think we touched on everybody. We
Speaker 1: didn't get to Christian Zalez, and then any thoughts on
Speaker 1: the day two guys, Eli Ricks, Yeah, yeah, So I
Speaker 1: mentioned Christian Zalez a little bit off the top. I
Speaker 1: thought he was really impressive on film. I think the
Speaker 1: one thing that you look out with Christian Gonzalez, I
Speaker 1: think out of any of the guys in this draft,
Speaker 1: he's the most scheme versatile player at the position in
Speaker 1: the draft where you can play a man man match
Speaker 1: zone all across the board, right you just he can
Speaker 1: do all of it. And I don't know if some
Speaker 1: of these guys that we're talking about are very scheme
Speaker 1: specific players and if they fit the scheme for the Patriots,
Speaker 1: and that could end up being a home run pick.
Speaker 1: But I think Christian Gonzalez is the one guy that's
Speaker 1: that's fluid. He can do everything, and that's I think
Speaker 1: gonna be something that I believe it's going to be
Speaker 1: more and more prevalent with the Patriots as it's been
Speaker 1: more and more prevalent with the entire league, which is
Speaker 1: you've got to be able to spin the dial on
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks like these Josh Allen's Patrick Mahomes is Burrows.
Speaker 1: If you just sit in there and we still remember
Speaker 1: this all the time, Alice with Brady right, and we're
Speaker 1: just sit in the same coverage all game long, He's
Speaker 1: gonna pick you apart. So the Patriots have played more
Speaker 1: split safety, they've played more zone recently, and I think
Speaker 1: a guy like Christian Gonzalez fits in that ability to
Speaker 1: do it all. And I think that was one of
Speaker 1: the things we were talking about when I was asking
Speaker 1: him some questions. Was just he mentioned that press Man
Speaker 1: was Oregon's bread and butter, but I had seen on
Speaker 1: film him make some really good pass offs in zone
Speaker 1: and had showed great awareness and zone coverage as well,
Speaker 1: And I think that that's something that he feels like
Speaker 1: he can do pretty good too. So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think Christian Gonzalez might end up being the first
Speaker 1: corner taken in this draft, especially after he tests this weekend.
Speaker 1: But I really am very high on him for the Patriots,
Speaker 1: and I think he's the number one for me for
Speaker 1: the Pats because of that ability. I think Joey Porter
Speaker 1: Junior can play man and probably cover three at a
Speaker 1: high level. I think Christian Gonzalez can play any coverage
Speaker 1: scheme at a pretty good level. Any thoughts on the
Speaker 1: Day two guys warder Rick so Rix. We had Mike Rodak,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you remember him on from on our podcast
Speaker 1: on the on the round Up today on Patriots Unfiltered
Speaker 1: that you can check out on Patriots dot com, and
Speaker 1: he had mentioned that he had a Ricks had a
Speaker 1: lot of he transferred right from LSU, and he said
Speaker 1: that he had a lot of problems picking up Nick
Speaker 1: Saban's playbook that he really struggled with that Saban was
Speaker 1: open about it. Ricks was open about it. So when
Speaker 1: he transferred from LSU, everybody at Alabama thought that he
Speaker 1: was going to be a Day one immediate starter and
Speaker 1: contributor in their defense and a star in their defense,
Speaker 1: and was supposed to be a first round pick. He
Speaker 1: was a consensus preseason All American like all of those
Speaker 1: types of things, and it didn't work out at Alabama
Speaker 1: as well as any everybody had hoped. So maybe he's
Speaker 1: a guy that third fourth round you take a chance
Speaker 1: on a little bit, but because of the ability, you
Speaker 1: end up getting a really good player. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: if they're how they're going to view though that he
Speaker 1: couldn't pick up Saban's playbook. I think that's gonna be
Speaker 1: a little bit concerning. And then the one other meeting today,
Speaker 1: so this was reported. He hasn't spoken yet. He'll speak
Speaker 1: on tomorrow. Right, is Anthony richards Yes, Anthony Richardson from Florida.
Speaker 1: I am personally infatuated with Anthony Richardson as a football
Speaker 1: player because all right, Evan, what what's the word I
Speaker 1: use to describe Josh Allen? A raddick? Anthony Richardson makes
Speaker 1: Josh Allen look like uh, precision scientific instrument? What right?
Speaker 1: And that's not necessarily a knock. I think Richardson's highs
Speaker 1: are higher than Allen's, but his lows are lower. He is,
Speaker 1: I mean in terms of the physical talent, the arm strength,
Speaker 1: the his ability to run the ball, his ability to
Speaker 1: break tackles in the pocket, the way he trust his arm.
Speaker 1: I mean high, high, high level stuff. But it's not
Speaker 1: that's when he's on and it's not always there. I mean,
Speaker 1: he could throw five touchdowns and he gave me throw
Speaker 1: five picks in a game like you don't know going
Speaker 1: in if he ends up in the right situation, he's
Speaker 1: gonna be a top three quarterback in the league. But
Speaker 1: if he doesn't end up in the right situation, it
Speaker 1: could go south pretty quickly. He with all of that,
Speaker 1: there's enough to like that. I think he goes in
Speaker 1: the top ten. Most people have him as the fourth quarterback.
Speaker 1: I have him third. I'm am ahead of Levis. I do.
Speaker 1: I think the Patriots are legitimately interested. I don't think
Speaker 1: that they're moving up to take a quarterback. In the track.
Speaker 1: They're gonna have to move up again him. He's not
Speaker 1: gonna be there fourteen. But what I do look at
Speaker 1: when I look at potential fits for Anthony Richardson, the
Speaker 1: Colts are going to be up there. They need a quarterback.
Speaker 1: They're on the Patriots schedule next year. The Washington Commanders,
Speaker 1: it would be tough for them to move up that far,
Speaker 1: but they could. They need a quarterback. They're on the
Speaker 1: Patriots schedule next year. The New Orleans Saints might be
Speaker 1: in the mark for a quarterback. They're on the Patriots
Speaker 1: schedule next year. The New York Giants, depending on what
Speaker 1: happens with Daniel Jones, might be looking to draft the quarterback,
Speaker 1: and by the way. I don't think there's a better
Speaker 1: place for Richardson to go than the Giants with Brian
Speaker 1: day Ball, who maximized Josh Allen. And also how about
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels. He just let his quarterback go. They're on
Speaker 1: the Patriots schedule next year. Talked about this earlier, Evan,
Speaker 1: getting to know players you're gonna face as much as
Speaker 1: getting no players you might drafting who to pick before
Speaker 1: the Patriots. Oh, that's true. Even that you're right, I'm
Speaker 1: so like mentally locked into them and Rogers. You're right
Speaker 1: the Jets. Yes, the Jets would be very interesting. Lands
Speaker 1: up signing Derek Carr to a two year contract and
Speaker 1: then they draft Anthony Richardson at thirteen. That's kind of
Speaker 1: scar signing Jimmy Garoppolo. That's less scary if they If
Speaker 1: they signed Jimmy Garoppolo, Richardson will be a starter by
Speaker 1: the end of the year. But your point stands, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so interesting they met with him, tremendously interesting player.
Speaker 1: I think they're trying to get to know a future
Speaker 1: opponent more than they're getting no a guy they diligence.
Speaker 1: I agree. So I think the cool thing about Anthony
Speaker 1: Richardson on film, and I'm a huge Anathany richards Richardson
Speaker 1: a fan. Yes, we both thought, let's make that clearer,
Speaker 1: we both are big fans of his. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I'm going to do a real deep dive into
Speaker 1: Anthony Rigson's tape Anthony Richardson's tape, but from what I
Speaker 1: have seen of him, I think the one thing that
Speaker 1: stands out, you don't want to watch his tape just
Speaker 1: because again, he's like such an electric player. I feel
Speaker 1: like he'll just be a fun breakdown to do. I
Speaker 1: guess you can do that before they play him this year.
Speaker 1: So the big thing and I see with him on
Speaker 1: film no, is that it's not it's not a lack
Speaker 1: of cerebral news like he's got. No, it's not he's
Speaker 1: got processing skill, he's got a manipulation from the pocket,
Speaker 1: he's got he's a quarterback, like he understands how to
Speaker 1: play quarterback. He's got a mechanical flaws that lead to
Speaker 1: accuracy and ball placement issues he doesn't have. It's not
Speaker 1: decision making right. It's not like poor processing or poor
Speaker 1: coverage reads and manipulation. It is purely a mechanical issue, right,
Speaker 1: And as we evolve as a football COGNIZENTI I think
Speaker 1: we are recognizing more and more that you can teach accuracy.
Speaker 1: That used to be the old The old trope was
Speaker 1: that you can't make a quarterback accurate. Right, That's one
Speaker 1: thing that he's If a quarterback is an accurate entering
Speaker 1: the NFL, he's always going to be an accurate. And
Speaker 1: I know that Josh Allen is maybe not like you
Speaker 1: shouldn't just put all your eggs in one player's development's basket.
Speaker 1: But I think more and more what we're seeing is
Speaker 1: quarterbacks entering the league that have improved accuracy over time
Speaker 1: with mechanical work. I think quarterback coaches, like obviously the
Speaker 1: great Tom House or Jordan Palmer at Quincy Avery, I
Speaker 1: think they're a part of it in the off season
Speaker 1: that they take these guys in and they train them
Speaker 1: all off season long on footwork and lining up. I
Speaker 1: always say beat himps, shoulders, head, right, like those are
Speaker 1: the points everything needs to be in cohesive and lined
Speaker 1: up correctly to have a good throw. And I think
Speaker 1: that these code quarterbacks coaches are really working on all
Speaker 1: that stuff. So if we're a team in the top
Speaker 1: ten of this draft that needs a quarterback, you can
Speaker 1: fix Anthony Richardson. He is fixable because he has a
Speaker 1: cerebral ability to play the quarterback and obviously the playmate.
Speaker 1: So I think there is a lot of fixable things
Speaker 1: about his game and teams are going to really gravitate.
Speaker 1: But again, you actually have to do it. It's not
Speaker 1: automatically gonna happen. And that goes back to my point
Speaker 1: of he's got to go to the right spot. If
Speaker 1: he goes to a place with bad coaching, like you
Speaker 1: look at what happened to Trevor Lawrence right a year ago,
Speaker 1: it's got to be a team that knows how to
Speaker 1: fix them, which again is why I look at like
Speaker 1: the Giants would be a fit, The Raiders would be
Speaker 1: a great fit. We saw what McDaniels did with Mac.
Speaker 1: Obviously some of these other teams were the coaching is
Speaker 1: a little more shaky, or maybe it's mostly defensive coaches
Speaker 1: on the staff. I don't know. I look like, you know,
Speaker 1: I brought it up, but I look at it team
Speaker 1: like the Jets. You're Anthony Richardson, and you saw what
Speaker 1: that regime did to Zach Wilson exactly. I don't think
Speaker 1: you're bullish about going to the Jets. I mean that's fair.
Speaker 1: But also how much of that did Zach Wilson due
Speaker 1: to himself a little bit? But now they have na
Speaker 1: Daniel Hackett all right running their offense. He's the offensive. Yeah. No, see,
Speaker 1: I might feel a little better about it, actually hack
Speaker 1: it after what he did in Denver, worked in Rogers,
Speaker 1: he worked, Ye, that's fair. I look at more like
Speaker 1: the Colts who had what like four coaches in five
Speaker 1: years or something like that. Stikeens like this. You know,
Speaker 1: he's the McVay. You know, Cliff King's very model, right,
Speaker 1: you know he's how's that going? Yeah? So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just he's just fascinating. He's fascinating. He is. And
Speaker 1: I agree with you on him with Will Levice, like
Speaker 1: I take him over Will Levis. I personally, what are
Speaker 1: you hearing about Will Levice? There mixed reviews, Like I
Speaker 1: think some people are less high on him than than
Speaker 1: the media, and then some people are mel kiper right,
Speaker 1: who are they think that he's a lock? Top ten
Speaker 1: you know, maybe even number one quarterback type of guy.
Speaker 1: I think that the guy that I think is the
Speaker 1: most polarizing here other than Richardson, has gotta be Bryce Young.
Speaker 1: But I would also say that CJ. Stratt is pretty
Speaker 1: polarizing right now as well, because it's not a great
Speaker 1: quarterback class and we're forcing these guys to the top. Also,
Speaker 1: I don't think Young's polarizing. I think we just don't
Speaker 1: have his measurements yet. Once we get his measurements, answer,
Speaker 1: I think CJ. Stroud a lot of the things that
Speaker 1: you hear about CJ. Stratt is touch thrower, right, He's
Speaker 1: more of like a touchthrower than a real velocity guy,
Speaker 1: and is at velocity there, and he just didn't he
Speaker 1: didn't use that pitch as often as as the touch
Speaker 1: throws or what's the case there. I think you here's
Speaker 1: some of that. I think you also hear some of
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison Junior and the offensive weapons that he had
Speaker 1: around him at the receiving position, just and the fact
Speaker 1: that he is protected by maybe two of the best
Speaker 1: tackles in the draft. He had a nice situation and
Speaker 1: didn't always live up to it last year until maybe
Speaker 1: the playoff game. So I think there's some, you know,
Speaker 1: question marks about all of these guys. I guess it's
Speaker 1: the best way to put it. But if you're going
Speaker 1: to take a chance on anybody, I definitely think that
Speaker 1: the more and more you talk to people and sort
Speaker 1: of listening and things like that, Anthony Richardson is the
Speaker 1: chance guy. Like, that's the guy that everybody has one
Speaker 1: hundred percent bought in. And if you're going to take
Speaker 1: a tent a little bit, you're willing to take a
Speaker 1: little bit of a chance at the top of the draft.
Speaker 1: It's more in a little bit. It's more in a
Speaker 1: little bit, but it's a quarterback. But yeah, yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: just say this with Levis. And by the way, my
Speaker 1: bold prediction is that assuming he checks out physically and
Speaker 1: like he's ready to go for the start of the season,
Speaker 1: by the time he gets a draft night, Hendon Hooker
Speaker 1: is going to have passed Will Levis. That's my bold prediction.
Speaker 1: I guess it depends about the medicals. So that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. If the medicals check out, I just I
Speaker 1: look at Levis because there's the reason I asked you
Speaker 1: what people think he didn't throw the ball a ton
Speaker 1: at Kentucky. That was a very, very run heavy offense
Speaker 1: and not necessarily him running the ball. He ran for
Speaker 1: three hundred yards two years ago. Last year they really
Speaker 1: only used him on kneel downs. He finished with negative
Speaker 1: one hundred rushing yards. When he factor in sacks the
Speaker 1: way college football does it, his touchdown at interception ratios
Speaker 1: less than two to one. He only threw the ball
Speaker 1: two hundred and eighty three times, which the Falcons draft
Speaker 1: and we have another twenty eight three reference. But like
Speaker 1: he doesn't handle pressure well, I'm still struggling to see
Speaker 1: just like what his carrying trade is other than he
Speaker 1: has a big arm. Or is this just Josh Allen
Speaker 1: hype run totally out of control? Yeah, no, that that
Speaker 1: is the and if that's the case. If that's the case,
Speaker 1: Richardson is much better physical tools than he does. Why
Speaker 1: is the Richardson projected higher. I don't think that there
Speaker 1: are very many people outside of maybe like the big
Speaker 1: Jay draft analysts that have him higher than Richardson at
Speaker 1: this point. I think they're the Kuypers and the mcshays
Speaker 1: of the world are going to have him above Richardson
Speaker 1: because of that just just who they are, you know,
Speaker 1: they're they're I won't get into that, but that I
Speaker 1: think they're gonna have it above above Richardson with Levis,
Speaker 1: But I don't know. The people that I talked to
Speaker 1: um are not in that camp. Let me put you
Speaker 1: that way. I think everybody here really likes Aanthonyson. So
Speaker 1: we'll see what ends up happening with the quarterbacks. Again.
Speaker 1: You know, the Patriots are not in the quarterback market.
Speaker 1: The Patriots are not in the quarterback market. I know
Speaker 1: some people want them to be in the quarterback market,
Speaker 1: but the Patriots aren't in the quarterback market. Maybe maybe
Speaker 1: they're in on a fourth round guy. I could see
Speaker 1: that they have a couple picks in the fourth round,
Speaker 1: so they have some extra ammo there. Maybe they use
Speaker 1: it to take a flyer on somebody on a your
Speaker 1: guy from b BYU for example, or Jared Hall, or
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit later in the draft on Day
Speaker 1: three they take a DTR or something like that, just
Speaker 1: to have somebody else in the pipeline. But when when
Speaker 1: you go back and look at it, and this is
Speaker 1: what I think people need to realize that the whole
Speaker 1: quarterback thing as well. Everybody points to the Eagles as
Speaker 1: this model of don't don't settle, right, they didn't settle
Speaker 1: on Carson Wentz. They still took Jalen Hurts in the
Speaker 1: second round, and look at what it did it MVP candidates,
Speaker 1: Super Bowl appearance with Jalen Hurts. Right. Carson Wentz was
Speaker 1: drafted in two thousand and sixteen. Jalen Hurts was drafted
Speaker 1: in two So we're talking about the Eagles drafted Jalen
Speaker 1: Hurts two off seasons from now in the Patriots timeline,
Speaker 1: it's not and the other is not necessarily about that.
Speaker 1: It's a bad approach. It's just too early, like it's
Speaker 1: too early in Mac Jones's career to be to be
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be giving Mac Jones more tools and his
Speaker 1: tool about not using a pick on his backup quarterback.
Speaker 1: I understand the thought process, but we're just too early
Speaker 1: in Mac Jones's rookie contract to be doing this. And
Speaker 1: the other thing is all right, So they drafted Jalen
Speaker 1: Hurts in the second round, all right, So go draft
Speaker 1: a second round quarterback. He'll turn into Jalen Hurts. Don't
Speaker 1: you think of every second round quarterback turned into Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 1: The entire second round would be teams taking quarterbacks. It's
Speaker 1: not a guarantee that a Jalen Hurts type player is there.
Speaker 1: I think this year, especially in a weak quarterback class,
Speaker 1: that guy's not there. So it's it's a bit of
Speaker 1: a logical foula see to me, I think we got
Speaker 1: to everything, Evan. I know we did a full combine
Speaker 1: preview last week, but as the workout to get underweight
Speaker 1: here momentarily anything specific, you're now like even more excited
Speaker 1: for having been there. I do think this cornerback room
Speaker 1: is good. This group of corner's gonna put on a
Speaker 1: show tomorrow. I don't know about today. I'm interested to
Speaker 1: see some of these end rushers and maybe some of
Speaker 1: the off ball linebackers like you know, Drew Sanders or
Speaker 1: your guy Henry Toe to Noah Sewell from Oregon. Interesting
Speaker 1: to see if any of these guys have have some rare,
Speaker 1: freaky athleticism. But it's not a great linebacker class. The
Speaker 1: guy it's gonna be st to Marvin Overshow, he didn't
Speaker 1: even say yeah, but you know he's he's I don't
Speaker 1: know what he weighed in at today. Maybe I think
Speaker 1: those are gonna come out here short at least, and
Speaker 1: maybe we'll see um. But I just I mean more
Speaker 1: of like a guy that weighs like two forty plussing
Speaker 1: can move right, you know, somebody like that, because they're
Speaker 1: not gonna draft two hundred and twenty five pound line
Speaker 1: They're just not. So maybe it's somebody like I think
Speaker 1: Sanders is probably two thirty five, two forty. If he's
Speaker 1: a really good athlete like Jack Campbell from Iowa, maybe
Speaker 1: he kind of is like the Leoshan Hall of this
Speaker 1: draft class, I think. And maybe he's somebody that has
Speaker 1: a really good workout and moves up the board a
Speaker 1: little bit. I don't love the linebacker class, but I
Speaker 1: understand that that need has been pushed down the list
Speaker 1: because a I think we're all sick and tired of
Speaker 1: wanting it and not getting it. And I think the
Speaker 1: other thing is that, you know, these other needs are
Speaker 1: just more pressing at more premium positions at this point.
Speaker 1: But I think linebacker, off ball linebacker, maybe maybe they
Speaker 1: take an Ivan Paste from Cincinnati or something like that too,
Speaker 1: as someone that they can get that has a little
Speaker 1: bit of speed and explosiveness. So we are getting some
Speaker 1: measure mints in now. I want to see before we
Speaker 1: end this if overshoons have come in. Does look like
Speaker 1: they're doing defensive lineman first, so maybe not. I love.
Speaker 1: By the way, there's two guys named Byron Young in
Speaker 1: this draft, and teams have to like differential, people have
Speaker 1: to differentiate which one. What are the odds that, like
Speaker 1: a team accidentally drafts the wrong buyer and Young because
Speaker 1: it's supposed to go in the same range in the
Speaker 1: draft too, It's definitely possible. Okay, it doesn't look like no,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't happen. Uh, it doesn't look like we have
Speaker 1: overshown yet. We do have Andre Carter six six and
Speaker 1: a half two fifty six, so he's put on a
Speaker 1: little bit away. Yeah, we'll see about him. We'll see
Speaker 1: an interesting player. All right. Oh, that's gonna do it
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