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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: He joined us, always buying our batch. Here's Evan Lazar

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Speaker 1: and Alex Bars. And that's what I'll be doing. Well,

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Speaker 1: All right, We're gonna catch up on Evan's elbow rubbing

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Speaker 1: here in a little bit. But it is the Catch

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Speaker 1: twenty two podcast on Patriots dot Com Combine Week. Alex

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Speaker 1: Bark in the host chair today. Evan is here, but

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Speaker 1: he is in Indianapolis. We've got a lot to get to.

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Speaker 1: You want to join us eight five five Pats, five

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Speaker 1: hundred Patriots at web radio dot com. Evan, how are

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Speaker 1: your elbows? Are they rubbed? How do they look? How

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Speaker 1: do they look like they're they're pretty rubbed? His sweatshirts

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Speaker 1: all worn out folks. The other day. Yet two days ago,

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Speaker 1: I was sitting at a table at Prime forty seven,

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Speaker 1: as you do in Indianapolis, and Ian Rappaport sat down

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Speaker 1: I think that's it's cool. It's a cool part of

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Speaker 1: reporters like like us, where You're just walking down the

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Speaker 1: hallway and I'm walking down the hallway one way and

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton's walking down the same hallway and you just

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Speaker 1: just everybody's here. We were just surrounded by a bunch

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Speaker 1: NFL spring break, That's what I always call it. It's

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Speaker 1: just a summit for everybody in the NFL in one place. Well,

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Speaker 1: Evan is certainly starstruck by a lot of the coaches

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Speaker 1: and gms, but we're gonna get to the play who

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Speaker 1: are there. So we've already had two rounds of player

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Speaker 1: media availability, so that's you know, we kind of find

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Speaker 1: out who's meeting with what teams or whatever. First workouts

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Speaker 1: I think it's three o'clock eastern, right is when the

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Speaker 1: first workouts begin, and that will be defensive linemen and

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Speaker 1: running backs an offensive lineman on Saturday. Right, and then

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Speaker 1: tight ends, quarterbacks. That's what everybody really want. Wide receivers

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Speaker 1: so we don't have any workouts to go off of, Evan,

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Speaker 1: but already a ton of news, a ton of news

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Speaker 1: coming out of the combat. Where do you want to start?

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Speaker 1: Where do you want to start? We got some directions.

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Speaker 1: I want to start with two big picture things. One

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Speaker 1: more a big picture takeaway as it relates to the draft.

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Speaker 1: So let's start with the Patriots. It has now been reported,

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Speaker 1: it's a fact finding mission the combine. Yes, he is

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Speaker 1: I have his resume right here. Came in as a

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Speaker 1: you find me the highest rated players at those three

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Speaker 1: So I say, hey, they need this, this, this, and this,

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Speaker 1: how that works out, isn't it? It's a well, you know,

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Speaker 1: but you're you're allowing somebody else to do the legwork,

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Speaker 1: They're frozen pizza. But you got what I'm saying, shopping

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Speaker 1: The other thing Chad had in his column this morning

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Speaker 1: like I'm not a sold on any of these receivers.

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Speaker 1: And I think that that's something that they couldn't really

428
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 1: look at now. Lucas Van nesse that I would not

429
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,359
Speaker 1: be on that big I'm just gonna flat out and

430
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:50,679
Speaker 1: say his makeup is fascinating, Like his entire like draft.

431
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:52,639
Speaker 1: If you were to open the folder and have all

432
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 1: the notes, it's really interesting. So the two things that

433
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 1: he's reminds me a ton. I think he's like the

434
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,679
Speaker 1: George Karloftist of this draft, exactly like that, except George

435
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 1: Karloftis had started a game. Yeah, Lucas Vaness never started

436
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 1: a game at Iowa. That tells you something. It does it.

437
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 1: I don't know what it means, but it tells you

438
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 1: something that you need to dig a little bit into

439
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:23,360
Speaker 1: that well. And let me say this on that Iowa

440
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 1: defense is heavily rotational, right, And I think they viewed

441
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 1: him in a role and it was like he still

442
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 1: played a lot. Yes, I actually it's it's humorous. I

443
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 1: actually don't put a ton of stock into it because

444
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,439
Speaker 1: he was still on the field in every high impact situation,

445
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 1: throw downs, red zone, all of that. He's he's like

446
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,119
Speaker 1: the sixth man that comes off the bench but is

447
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 1: in the game. Mon genobly right, he's Malcolm Brock. It's

448
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,479
Speaker 1: just Iowa football. It's just sort of goofy this year,

449
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,400
Speaker 1: and I sort of just as simple as it sounds,

450
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,159
Speaker 1: I sort of just chalk it up to that. I

451
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 1: think the main the starting thing is just kind of

452
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,959
Speaker 1: like a funny little I had been But I think

453
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 1: the main thing, I don't sorry one like I see

454
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 1: some people lumping that in with like the evaluation on

455
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson not being a captain, right, it's different because

456
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: he still played. I actually think he was a captain.

457
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 1: He might have been um, but it's not. It's not

458
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 1: the same thing as the Zach Wilson thing. He did

459
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,439
Speaker 1: play five hundred eighty seven snaps last year even though

460
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 1: he didn't start. It's exactly like we just were talking about.

461
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 1: J might not play on first down, but he's playing

462
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 1: on second and third down, depending on the down and

463
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 1: distant situation obviously, but you know that that rough sort

464
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 1: of outline. Now. The one thing I didn't like about

465
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 1: van Ness when I watched him on film is he's

466
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 1: a one trick pony. He's a bull rusher, he's a power,

467
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 1: speed to power guy. I didn't see a ton of

468
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 1: plan or like counters to his game, and I think

469
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: he's got one move and in the league you need

470
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 1: to have one move that you can be a foundational

471
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: move of your game. Then you need to have a counter,

472
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: and then you probably need to have a counter to

473
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: the counter, right, I think, really, to be a very

474
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 1: good NFL pass rusher, you need three moves and this

475
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 1: guy only has one. So that means that you have

476
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 1: to add two more to his toolbox to get him

477
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 1: well rounded enough to be a double digit, you know,

478
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: sixty five plus pressure type of guy. And if you're

479
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 1: driving that guy in the first round, that's what you

480
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: want him to eventually be, right, I mean, you're not

481
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 1: driving him in the first round to not be super productive.

482
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 1: So I don't love Vaness. The one thing and then

483
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: we can move on from van Ness. That I wonder

484
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: is he went against Scronsky a ton he and he

485
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 1: owns Scronsky. He did, so I wonder in that meeting,

486
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 1: I would love to know if they asked him about

487
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: Skronsky at all and the matches against him and what

488
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 1: worked against him and what didn't work against him, and

489
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: Mate used it as I asked him about Scronsky, so

490
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: I would be so he said that, you know, he

491
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 1: was one of the best players he went up against

492
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: all the time. He said that they actually go all

493
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 1: the way back to high school football against one another,

494
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: and they they've been playing against one another for eight years.

495
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: And he said that every time they played at Northwestern,

496
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 1: he circled him. You know, that was the guy that

497
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 1: all the coaches had circled and for the defensive line.

498
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,479
Speaker 1: And he said that he's a baller, you know, he's

499
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 1: a guy that was the toughest guy he had to

500
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: face every single year. So I don't think he was

501
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: too I was. He was very complimentary of Scronsky's game.

502
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: But I'd be fascinated to see if teams are asking

503
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: him like the Patriots. Oh, you can totally use players

504
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,439
Speaker 1: to scout other players. Yeah, that's a thing. Um. All right,

505
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,199
Speaker 1: we'll go chronologically. So the first meeting today Patriots met

506
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: with Jake Moody. I still think kickers didn't play. I

507
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: think kickers really play. But I'll say this because people

508
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: always send me their mock drafts. I appreciate the people

509
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 1: to it. I know I can't reply to all of them,

510
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 1: but I see them, might look at them. I might

511
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: have something coming to reply to those in the coming weeks.

512
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: Stay tuned. I know people send them to you two, Evan,

513
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 1: and we did this last year. We've done this the

514
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: last couple of years. It's always that one kicker punch

515
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 1: we're all excited about, and everybody just throws him at

516
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 1: the end of their mock draft, Right, Jake Moody's not

517
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 1: gonna be there at the end of the end of

518
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: the draft. It's probably a fifth round guy, maybe fourth

519
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 1: round if a team gets really bold. Sometimes you see

520
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: kickers moving in the fourth round. This is a guy

521
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: that was the National kicker of the Year in twenty

522
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 1: twenty one, the Big Ten kicker of the Year in

523
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two. I mean, they're

524
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: gonna have if they want a draft him, they have

525
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,719
Speaker 1: to go and get them. They can't just wait for him.

526
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,959
Speaker 1: But they met with him again after working with him

527
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 1: at the Trine Bowl. Yeah, And I asked him about

528
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 1: working with the Patriots coaching staff at the Trine Bowl

529
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: and the one thing that he said that really stood

530
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: out to him was that they were acting like he

531
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: was already a Patriot in their approach to coaching him.

532
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 1: And it wasn't. They weren't just going through the motions,

533
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 1: you know, they were really coaching him, and I think

534
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: he appreciated that when we met with the specialist. And

535
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: I'll admit that I was one of me and Mikey

536
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: so are one of a handful of de generates that

537
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: was in that conference center at eight thirty this morning.

538
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: Most of the people were probably out at Prime forty

539
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 1: seven or Kilroys until four o'clock in the morning last

540
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 1: night and didn't make it until the corners started at

541
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: nine thirty. It was a very small contingent in there,

542
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: but by far the largest crowd and the number one

543
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: podium was Jake Moody. So Jake Moody got all sorts

544
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: of attention. He was the guy in the room to

545
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: talk to this morning among the specialists, so I think

546
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: that he's going to get a lot of buzz. I

547
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: agree with you. I had him in my mock draft,

548
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: I think as a sixth round pick, and I said

549
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: that was too low, too low. You were right, it

550
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: was too low. I think he could sneak into the

551
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: fourth round a team that really wants to draft him,

552
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: that just doesn't want to lose him in the fifth round.

553
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: But he's I don't think Jake Moody's making it out

554
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: of the fifth round, all right, and then I think

555
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: this is one A lot of people were waiting for.

556
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,959
Speaker 1: The cornerbacks spoke after the specialists, all the defensive backs. Actually, right,

557
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: it was safeties as well. Yeah, we didn't hear as

558
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: much from the safeties in terms of Patriots related meetings

559
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: or whatever. Right, but a number of the projected first

560
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: round corners, and there are a lot of first round

561
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,719
Speaker 1: corners in this draft. But I'll just run through them

562
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: real quick and then we can react. Joey Porter of

563
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: Penn State, Christian Gonzalez of Oregon, Cam Smith of South Carolina,

564
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: Emmanuel Forbes junior f Mississippi State, and then a couple

565
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: of Day two guys as well, Eli Ricks from Alabama

566
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: and Jay Ward from LSU Evan. We gotta start though,

567
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: with Joey Porter Jr. Because I've been big on this.

568
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna take him. They traditionally don't

569
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: take guys from Penn State. You know, there's the things

570
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: Joey Porter Senior has said about the Patriots in the past.

571
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: Maybe they hash it all out. Maybe that's what the

572
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: meaning was, because I think he's the best corner in

573
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: the draft. He was very, very polished very impressive health

574
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: court at his podium for about twenty minutes, answering questions

575
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: not only from the Patriots continued out here, Alex, but

576
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: also from the Baltimore contingent out here and about his

577
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: father in the rivalry with the Ravens and things like that,

578
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: and he gave great answers to all of it. He

579
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: said to the Baltimore thing that that's his dad's problem, right,

580
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: that's his dad's rival That's a great answer. It's not

581
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: nothing to do with him. He said to the Patriots

582
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: question that he actually thinks that his father would be

583
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: happy about him going to the Patriots because of Bill

584
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: Belichick and the system defensively and the fact that he

585
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: would probably thrive with those two things. So from a

586
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: football perspective, I think that there's a lot to love

587
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: about his makeup. He's very poised, confident. He didn't get

588
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: up there and feel like he had to be this

589
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: like aggressive, raw, raw guy like his father. Right. He

590
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: was his own person up there, and I would also

591
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: he he reminded me a lot of Patrick Surtin a

592
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, whose father was, of course Patrick

593
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: Curtin Senior in the NFL for a long time, and

594
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: the way he approached the interview and his approaching this

595
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: whole process, you can just tell that he's been coached

596
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: off the field as well by his dad and brought

597
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: along by his dad to be the best pro that

598
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: he can be and set himself up to be drafted

599
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: as high as he can go. He mentioned that his

600
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: parents sat him down last year. He wanted to come

601
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: out early from Penn State, and his parents sat him

602
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: down and said, you're not ready, Like maturity wise, you're

603
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: not ready. He might be ready football wise, but you're

604
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: not ready in terms of maturity. And he's that he

605
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: took it hard that he was you know, he was

606
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: upset that his parents didn't see his parents felt like

607
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: he was still a kid right and needed to grow

608
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: up a little bit more. And he said he took

609
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: it hard, but he went back to school and he

610
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,959
Speaker 1: said it was the best thing for him in the end,

611
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: and he's really happy about it. The one thing I

612
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: asked him about, we know you're big, we know your

613
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: physical the wingspan, all that kind of stuff. What's like

614
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: the one thing that's under you feel like it's being

615
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: slept on about your game And he mentioned play speed

616
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: and in straight line speed. He feels like he's going

617
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: to run faster in the forty than people give him

618
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: credit for. So we'll see what he ends up putting

619
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: up time wise. But my big picture thing as we

620
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: go through these meetings with the corners, I've asked some

621
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: people here what's the best position group in the draft,

622
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: and a lot of people have said tight end, which

623
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: is the consensus. I think a lot of people love

624
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: this tight end class, but more and more people that

625
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: you ask are saying corner. Yeah, And I think corner.

626
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: I had one person say to me that they think

627
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: that twenty corners are going to go in the top

628
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: one hundred of this draft I have, so I didn't

629
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: include Slock corners when I did my breakdown, I didn't

630
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: include Slock corners. I only did guy six, one and taller.

631
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: I have fifteen corners in the top one hundred I have.

632
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: It's a loaded group eight with first round great. I

633
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: don't think all eight go in the first round, but

634
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: I think some combination of those eight end up going

635
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: in the first round. This corner class is absurd, but

636
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: so there are options. One guy we've kind of circled

637
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: for the Patriots so I said, like Joey Porter, we've

638
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: wondered this and that with the Patriots, consider him and

639
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: they met with them. A guy I think a lot

640
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: of people, myself included, you included, like for the Patriots,

641
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: is Devin Witherspoon who So did he talk today? I

642
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: didn't see anything now, so he was stuck at medical

643
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: I would has happened, okay in the past. It happened

644
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: yesterday as well with a top prospect that didn't make

645
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: it out. I can't remember who was. But it's not

646
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: necessarily mean that they found something and they had to

647
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 1: get him further time. Oh no, it's it's the whole process.

648
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: I'm sure it gets backdrop. And his last name starts

649
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: with a W. I bet they do it alphabetically, so

650
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: he's kind of at the end there. No, I could

651
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: totally see that, right, So if he didn't talk, But

652
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: just walking around the room today during the corner a

653
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: couple of rounds of corners. The other thing that really

654
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 1: stood out was how big all these guys are. Yeah,

655
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: there all you know, obviously there are like the Travis

656
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: Hodges to Jeez, much easier than you're making it. There

657
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: aren't Travis Hobbs Thomason's there are Clark Phillips, who's a

658
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 1: little bit of a smaller Corner. But besides that, you're

659
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,439
Speaker 1: walking around in this room and these guys are big.

660
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 1: I mean they're all big. Kiely Ringo, Joey Porter, Christian

661
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: Gonzalez is is huge. I mean he's like six two

662
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: gotta be six two two and pounds, A big, big kid.

663
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: He was really impressive as well. He talked about a

664
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: little bit about, you know, the different coverage styles that

665
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: Oregon played. I mentioned that press man was their base,

666
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: but they had a lot of match zone as well

667
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: in their system that they ran, and so he heated

668
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: a little bit of both of those things. Him and

669
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: Joey Porter Junior were the most impressive, both physically just

670
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: looking at them and also in terms of the interviews.

671
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: And I think both of them are going to be

672
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: off the board quickly and potentially targets at fourteen for

673
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 1: the Patriots. I just quickly. I I don't really fully understand,

674
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: and Alex, I think you agree with me on this.

675
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: I don't really fully understand the pushback about corner in

676
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: the first round from people that I sometimes hear when

677
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 1: we bring it up the Patriots system, whether it's been

678
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: ty Law, Derrel Reeves, keep to Leaves to fond Gilmore.

679
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: They've won super bowl when they have a number one corner.

680
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: And granted they've won super Bowls when they had Tom

681
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: Brady too, But I'm just talking about it from a

682
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: defensive perspective. The Patriots want to play man to man.

683
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 1: They tell us that all the time, and we talked

684
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: to the coaching staff. They want to play man to man.

685
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 1: And right now they have a handful of really solid,

686
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: good corners, but they don't have any elite corners and

687
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: they need for their system to thrive, that's what they need.

688
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,439
Speaker 1: And I hear a lot of two. Well, they're great

689
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: at u DFA's they're grant at finding diamonds in the

690
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: rough at that position. Why would you take one in

691
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: the first round? And there's some truth to that. J C. Jackson,

692
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: Malcolm Butler, John Jones. But those are any of those

693
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 1: guys number one corners, Alex like, are any of those

694
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: guys number one corners? And the guys that are number

695
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: one corners in the history of the Patriots, they've had

696
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 1: to go out and pay a bag to in free

697
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: agency to get them on the team or trade from

698
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,040
Speaker 1: like to lead. So they've had to go to the

699
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: veteran market because they haven't invested a top thirty two

700
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: pick on a cornerback in the Belichick era besides Devin mcporty,

701
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: who ended up being in safety. So they that premium

702
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: talent is something that's important to their secondary and you

703
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: only find that at the top of the draft, Like

704
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: these udfas might be nice fines, but they're not number

705
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: one cornerbacks. So my pushback on a corner at fourteen

706
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: would be two things. One, I just think the way

707
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: they've operated the last couple of years, the biggest hole

708
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: on the depth chart, regardless of position, The biggest hole

709
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: on the depth chart is the first pick was quarterback

710
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 1: in twenty one. It will because then it used the

711
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: first round pick in twenty twenty was quarterback in twenty

712
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 1: twenty one, and it was a guard last year. And

713
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,760
Speaker 1: by the way, there's a bolt when Matt grow stepped

714
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 1: into this new role that he's in. So maybe and

715
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: if we think Matt GROW's gonna have a bigger role

716
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: this year than maybe even more so and tackle right

717
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: now is you look at it fill out the depth

718
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: chart you can fill out the depth chart a corner.

719
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: If they had a play game today, you can fill

720
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: out the depth charted corner. Can't fill it out a tackle.

721
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: You really can't do it. Not to be game ready anyway.

722
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: It's a fair point. And and the other thing I

723
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 1: would add is, so you're talking about, all right, well,

724
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: you can only get this kind of talent in the

725
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 1: first thirty two picks, Evan, if this was I hate

726
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: to do this because I think it's kind of a

727
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: stupid argument, but it's the only way I can make

728
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: the point. You just kind of have to be open

729
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: minded and let me do this. Joey Porter Jr. Devin

730
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:32,439
Speaker 1: Weatherspoon are generational talents. Those two guys don't come along

731
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 1: in every draft. Two of them in one draft is absurd.

732
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: Take those two guys out. Let's say this is some

733
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: other draft, right, Derek, guys you can get who are

734
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: some of the guys we think are in play it

735
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: at forty six? Got like Tyree Stevenson, I got like

736
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: Julie's Brents if he runs well from Maryland. I'm blanking

737
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: on the name Deontay Banks, right, these are guys who Banks.

738
00:38:58,120 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a little bit of a stretch, for these

739
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: are guys who are to be on the board of

740
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: forty six. Take Porter and Witherspoon out the generational talents.

741
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: We're talking about those guys at fourteen, aren't we We're

742
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: talking about those guys' potential top fifteen picks because that's

743
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: their talent level. Them going in the second round is

744
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: not dictated by how talented they are. Necessarily it is

745
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: to an extent, obviously, because I don't think they're on

746
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 1: the level of Porter or Witherspoon. But in most drafts,

747
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: a player that talented is going to go in the

748
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: first round. It's just not in the case this year

749
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: because the class is so loaded. So I think you

750
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: can take a corner at forty six that you might

751
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: get at fourteen in another year. So to say you

752
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: can only find that kind of talent at fourteen, I

753
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 1: think is it's an incomplete argument because you're not acknowledging

754
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: the kind of talent that's in this class. Okay, so

755
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: I'll give you that. I'll give you that. It can

756
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: be forty six. But I think that looking at these porners,

757
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: talking to them, watching them on film before I got here,

758
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 1: there's this is a draft where you got to take

759
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: a corner in the first two rounds just because you

760
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,760
Speaker 1: gotta get you I'll even give you a top one hundred.

761
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: I'll even give you top one hundred. Even sure, top

762
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 1: one hundred, but you got to take one of these days.

763
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 1: You have to take a bite at the apple and this. Yes, right,

764
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: so hang on, great group. Sorry, it's to cut you

765
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 1: off there. It's tougher when we're not together in person.

766
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: Let's do an exercise here. You said that twenty corners.

767
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 1: Somebody thinks twenty corners are gonna go on the top

768
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: one hundred, right, yes, all right, let's see. Let's see

769
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: where the twentieth corner went last year? Should we do this?

770
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: And kind of because I think this is a good

771
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: way to display it. There were four corners went in

772
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:49,240
Speaker 1: the first round five, six, seven, eight, nine through two rounds, ten, eleven,

773
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: twelve through three rounds, So there were only twelve corners

774
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 1: on the first two days last year. You're saying there's

775
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 1: gonna be twenty in that range. We keep going thirteen, four, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen.

776
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: The twentieth corner last year, Evan was Kobe Durant at

777
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: a South Carolina state, was the second to last pick

778
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: of the fourth round, one hundred forty second overall. So again,

779
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 1: think about that, that's the range the corners went in

780
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: last year, basically four rounds. We're saying that the same

781
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: number of corners in this class are going to go

782
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: in half the time. Does that make sense? Yeah, as

783
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 1: to like how good this class is we have And

784
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: by the way, you wonder who corner twenty one was

785
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: last year. Tariq Walling was Corner twenty one. It's the

786
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: first corner pick to the fifth round. So we have

787
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 1: our guys, like I know, we both pretty much like Brand's,

788
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: I like Banks from Maryland. I'm sure there's guys that

789
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,919
Speaker 1: you like as well that I'm not necessarily as highon.

790
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 1: We haven't really talked to about Tam Smith Emmanuel Forbes though,

791
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: where I think our two guys ms I'm starting to

792
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: get very high on. I didn't do a ton of

793
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: work on him early. He was kind of towards the

794
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: bottom of my list, but I've started too, and he's

795
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: really impressive. So his technique is really raw. He's somebody

796
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: that I think has a lot of technique work left

797
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: to go, which is when I tend to watch these

798
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: guys and try to rank them and things like that.

799
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: I always I like the guys that are technically sad, right,

800
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,919
Speaker 1: the guys that are finished in that regard a little

801
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: bit more so. He's a little bit overreactive at the

802
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. He gets, oh get he opens up

803
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: a little bit faster than you would like with fakes

804
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: and route releases and things like that. He overreacts a

805
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: little and he gets a little bit grabby, and his

806
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: transitions at the top of the router are not as

807
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: smooth as some of the other guys. So those are

808
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: some of the things I saw on film with him.

809
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm kind of in the minority. I think

810
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: with him. I think that a lot of people really

811
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: like him, and to the point where if he tests

812
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: welled his weekend and I might need to go back

813
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: and rewatch the film and see what I didn't see

814
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,720
Speaker 1: the first time, because there's a lot of really positive

815
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: reviews about him, and he's supposed to test pretty well.

816
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: I think the one thing is is that he has

817
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 1: great stats, like his ball production was, It's not just great.

818
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: And this is where I want to jump in he

819
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: had fourteen picks in three years and sell all I

820
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: had last year alone six picks or sorry, ten pass breakups,

821
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: six picks. Three of those were picked sixes. So I

822
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: went back and watched all of his interceptions from last year,

823
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: and I hate to do this too, but like something,

824
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: a lot of them are pretty flukey, like you know

825
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,280
Speaker 1: the one that everybody posts and when he jumps the screen.

826
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: But isn't there something to be said for being in

827
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: the right place at the right time at that position.

828
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,919
Speaker 1: There is? But like I need guys that can cover

829
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: down the field. So here here's what I'd say. Sorry

830
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: to keep cutting you off, but I think we're going

831
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: in the same direction. I basically want to make the

832
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: point before you do. I don't think he's I don't

833
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: think he's like a lockdown like Stefan Gilmore, Terrell Reeva's

834
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: kind of corner. He's a ball hawk. The question is

835
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:21,919
Speaker 1: is he j C. Jackson or is he Trayvon dis Yeah,

836
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: that that's I think affair. I think Trayvon Diggs is

837
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 1: probably the guy that he's hoping to become in the league.

838
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: That that's that's a decent comparison. I just think, well,

839
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: Trayvon Diggs. First of all, he took another step forward

840
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: last year for Dallas and has really become a very

841
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: good mayor corner, you know, a good shadow of corner now.

842
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: So he's somebody that I think is really elevated. Past

843
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 1: is the ball hawking and the jac Jackson, you know,

844
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: Asante Samuel type of corner. I don't know. I just didn't.

845
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,760
Speaker 1: I saw some some stuff on film with Emmanuel Forms.

846
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: I wasn't too crazy about technique wise, like I've had

847
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,760
Speaker 1: just mentioned, and a lot it go. I can actually

848
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: watch some of the interceptions that he had last year.

849
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: How much of those are were right place, right time

850
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: versus This was just a great rep by the corner.

851
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: And I think that if you're a team and you're

852
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 1: looking to translate to the next level, you have to

853
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: be focused a little bit on the second thing. Great

854
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: rep by the corner, not necessarily oh you know, he

855
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: jumped a screen pass and will leap his throat right

856
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: to him. That was the one against Kentucky, I think

857
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: is the one that gets circulated a lot it. Remember

858
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: the pick six that Kyle Dugger had in Vegas his

859
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 1: past season. It's the same exact play and but that's

860
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: a play the Patriots are gonna love because how did

861
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: Dugger make that play? He told us he saw the

862
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: look on film and he knew to be ready for it.

863
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: That's what they want. I guess. I just I don't know.

864
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to bash him. Camp Smith is the

865
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: other one too that I think is somebody that's going

866
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: to get drafted early, top fifty, top sixty type of player.

867
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: A lot of people have him as the lock first rounder,

868
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: so you're run him than most. He's really physical, a

869
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: really good in press man coverage. I'll tell you the

870
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: reason why I wasn't and I asked him about it

871
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: because I was just curious. The reason why I wasn't

872
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: super high on him is because of his game against

873
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: Jalen Hyatt against Tennessee, where I'm gonna just he was afraid.

874
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: He was afraid, like he was afraid to get in

875
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: Jalen Hyatt's face and really challenge Jalen high coming off

876
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. He played eight yards off of

877
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: him the entire game, and in the end, I think

878
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: the South Carolina's defense got what they wanted, which was

879
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: Hyatt had to sit every route down underneath the defense

880
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: and really didn't get vertical too much on him like

881
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: he had in previous games. But when I see that, like,

882
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 1: I want if I'm drafting a corner early, and I

883
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,439
Speaker 1: want that alpham mentality, like I don't care that you're

884
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 1: the favorite to win the bullet and a cough, I'm

885
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,040
Speaker 1: gonna get in your face and I'm gonna take you

886
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 1: out of this game. Playing eight yards off and letting

887
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: him catch a six yard hitch against you every single time.

888
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: That doesn't take anything right, like like a lot of

889
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: guys can do. So that was sort of where I

890
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: was with Campcer. He mentioned the option route to that

891
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: Tennessee ran all the season long, where it's a conversion.

892
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: They let Jalen Hyatt decide. If it's off coverage, he's

893
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: gonna sit it down. If it's man, he's gonna run

894
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: a de vertical right, and they were trying to get

895
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: him to convert it to sit down. He didn't want

896
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: Jalen hya to get up the field on them. I

897
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: would have liked to have seen them let Cam Smith,

898
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: who I think is one of the more physical corners

899
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 1: in this draft, actually get in his face and challenge

900
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: and they didn't really do any thoughts on any other

901
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: corners they talked. I think we touched on everybody. We

902
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: didn't get to Christian Zalez, and then any thoughts on

903
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: the day two guys, Eli Ricks, Yeah, yeah, So I

904
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: mentioned Christian Zalez a little bit off the top. I

905
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: thought he was really impressive on film. I think the

906
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: one thing that you look out with Christian Gonzalez, I

907
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: think out of any of the guys in this draft,

908
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 1: he's the most scheme versatile player at the position in

909
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,399
Speaker 1: the draft where you can play a man man match

910
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 1: zone all across the board, right you just he can

911
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 1: do all of it. And I don't know if some

912
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: of these guys that we're talking about are very scheme

913
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: specific players and if they fit the scheme for the Patriots,

914
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: and that could end up being a home run pick.

915
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,879
Speaker 1: But I think Christian Gonzalez is the one guy that's

916
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: that's fluid. He can do everything, and that's I think

917
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: gonna be something that I believe it's going to be

918
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: more and more prevalent with the Patriots as it's been

919
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,320
Speaker 1: more and more prevalent with the entire league, which is

920
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: you've got to be able to spin the dial on

921
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks like these Josh Allen's Patrick Mahomes is Burrows.

922
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: If you just sit in there and we still remember

923
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: this all the time, Alice with Brady right, and we're

924
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: just sit in the same coverage all game long, He's

925
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: gonna pick you apart. So the Patriots have played more

926
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 1: split safety, they've played more zone recently, and I think

927
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: a guy like Christian Gonzalez fits in that ability to

928
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 1: do it all. And I think that was one of

929
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: the things we were talking about when I was asking

930
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: him some questions. Was just he mentioned that press Man

931
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: was Oregon's bread and butter, but I had seen on

932
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: film him make some really good pass offs in zone

933
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: and had showed great awareness and zone coverage as well,

934
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: And I think that that's something that he feels like

935
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: he can do pretty good too. So I don't know.

936
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,399
Speaker 1: I think Christian Gonzalez might end up being the first

937
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,240
Speaker 1: corner taken in this draft, especially after he tests this weekend.

938
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: But I really am very high on him for the Patriots,

939
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: and I think he's the number one for me for

940
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: the Pats because of that ability. I think Joey Porter

941
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: Junior can play man and probably cover three at a

942
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 1: high level. I think Christian Gonzalez can play any coverage

943
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: scheme at a pretty good level. Any thoughts on the

944
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:56,760
Speaker 1: Day two guys warder Rick so Rix. We had Mike Rodak,

945
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure you remember him on from on our podcast

946
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: on the on the round Up today on Patriots Unfiltered

947
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: that you can check out on Patriots dot com, and

948
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: he had mentioned that he had a Ricks had a

949
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 1: lot of he transferred right from LSU, and he said

950
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: that he had a lot of problems picking up Nick

951
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: Saban's playbook that he really struggled with that Saban was

952
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 1: open about it. Ricks was open about it. So when

953
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 1: he transferred from LSU, everybody at Alabama thought that he

954
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 1: was going to be a Day one immediate starter and

955
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: contributor in their defense and a star in their defense,

956
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: and was supposed to be a first round pick. He

957
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 1: was a consensus preseason All American like all of those

958
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: types of things, and it didn't work out at Alabama

959
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 1: as well as any everybody had hoped. So maybe he's

960
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: a guy that third fourth round you take a chance

961
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: on a little bit, but because of the ability, you

962
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: end up getting a really good player. I'm not sure

963
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: if they're how they're going to view though that he

964
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 1: couldn't pick up Saban's playbook. I think that's gonna be

965
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: a little bit concerning. And then the one other meeting today,

966
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: so this was reported. He hasn't spoken yet. He'll speak

967
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: on tomorrow. Right, is Anthony richards Yes, Anthony Richardson from Florida.

968
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: I am personally infatuated with Anthony Richardson as a football

969
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 1: player because all right, Evan, what what's the word I

970
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: use to describe Josh Allen? A raddick? Anthony Richardson makes

971
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 1: Josh Allen look like uh, precision scientific instrument? What right?

972
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 1: And that's not necessarily a knock. I think Richardson's highs

973
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: are higher than Allen's, but his lows are lower. He is,

974
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: I mean in terms of the physical talent, the arm strength,

975
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: the his ability to run the ball, his ability to

976
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 1: break tackles in the pocket, the way he trust his arm.

977
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: I mean high, high, high level stuff. But it's not

978
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 1: that's when he's on and it's not always there. I mean,

979
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: he could throw five touchdowns and he gave me throw

980
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: five picks in a game like you don't know going

981
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 1: in if he ends up in the right situation, he's

982
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 1: gonna be a top three quarterback in the league. But

983
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: if he doesn't end up in the right situation, it

984
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: could go south pretty quickly. He with all of that,

985
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: there's enough to like that. I think he goes in

986
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,800
Speaker 1: the top ten. Most people have him as the fourth quarterback.

987
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: I have him third. I'm am ahead of Levis. I do.

988
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: I think the Patriots are legitimately interested. I don't think

989
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 1: that they're moving up to take a quarterback. In the track.

990
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:38,800
Speaker 1: They're gonna have to move up again him. He's not

991
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 1: gonna be there fourteen. But what I do look at

992
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: when I look at potential fits for Anthony Richardson, the

993
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 1: Colts are going to be up there. They need a quarterback.

994
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:51,280
Speaker 1: They're on the Patriots schedule next year. The Washington Commanders,

995
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: it would be tough for them to move up that far,

996
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 1: but they could. They need a quarterback. They're on the

997
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: Patriots schedule next year. The New Orleans Saints might be

998
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: in the mark for a quarterback. They're on the Patriots

999
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: schedule next year. The New York Giants, depending on what

1000
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: happens with Daniel Jones, might be looking to draft the quarterback,

1001
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: and by the way. I don't think there's a better

1002
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 1: place for Richardson to go than the Giants with Brian

1003
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 1: day Ball, who maximized Josh Allen. And also how about

1004
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels. He just let his quarterback go. They're on

1005
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,439
Speaker 1: the Patriots schedule next year. Talked about this earlier, Evan,

1006
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: getting to know players you're gonna face as much as

1007
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: getting no players you might drafting who to pick before

1008
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:36,800
Speaker 1: the Patriots. Oh, that's true. Even that you're right, I'm

1009
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 1: so like mentally locked into them and Rogers. You're right

1010
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: the Jets. Yes, the Jets would be very interesting. Lands

1011
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: up signing Derek Carr to a two year contract and

1012
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: then they draft Anthony Richardson at thirteen. That's kind of

1013
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: scar signing Jimmy Garoppolo. That's less scary if they If

1014
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 1: they signed Jimmy Garoppolo, Richardson will be a starter by

1015
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: the end of the year. But your point stands, Yeah,

1016
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: I think so interesting they met with him, tremendously interesting player.

1017
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: I think they're trying to get to know a future

1018
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 1: opponent more than they're getting no a guy they diligence.

1019
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,720
Speaker 1: I agree. So I think the cool thing about Anthony

1020
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:17,240
Speaker 1: Richardson on film, and I'm a huge Anathany richards Richardson

1021
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 1: a fan. Yes, we both thought, let's make that clearer,

1022
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 1: we both are big fans of his. I don't know

1023
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 1: if I'm going to do a real deep dive into

1024
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: Anthony Rigson's tape Anthony Richardson's tape, but from what I

1025
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 1: have seen of him, I think the one thing that

1026
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: stands out, you don't want to watch his tape just

1027
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: because again, he's like such an electric player. I feel

1028
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: like he'll just be a fun breakdown to do. I

1029
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: guess you can do that before they play him this year.

1030
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 1: So the big thing and I see with him on

1031
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,879
Speaker 1: film no, is that it's not it's not a lack

1032
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 1: of cerebral news like he's got. No, it's not he's

1033
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: got processing skill, he's got a manipulation from the pocket,

1034
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,800
Speaker 1: he's got he's a quarterback, like he understands how to

1035
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,800
Speaker 1: play quarterback. He's got a mechanical flaws that lead to

1036
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: accuracy and ball placement issues he doesn't have. It's not

1037
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 1: decision making right. It's not like poor processing or poor

1038
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: coverage reads and manipulation. It is purely a mechanical issue, right,

1039
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: And as we evolve as a football COGNIZENTI I think

1040
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 1: we are recognizing more and more that you can teach accuracy.

1041
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: That used to be the old The old trope was

1042
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: that you can't make a quarterback accurate. Right, That's one

1043
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 1: thing that he's If a quarterback is an accurate entering

1044
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 1: the NFL, he's always going to be an accurate. And

1045
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 1: I know that Josh Allen is maybe not like you

1046
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: shouldn't just put all your eggs in one player's development's basket.

1047
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: But I think more and more what we're seeing is

1048
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 1: quarterbacks entering the league that have improved accuracy over time

1049
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: with mechanical work. I think quarterback coaches, like obviously the

1050
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 1: great Tom House or Jordan Palmer at Quincy Avery, I

1051
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: think they're a part of it in the off season

1052
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 1: that they take these guys in and they train them

1053
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: all off season long on footwork and lining up. I

1054
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: always say beat himps, shoulders, head, right, like those are

1055
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 1: the points everything needs to be in cohesive and lined

1056
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: up correctly to have a good throw. And I think

1057
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 1: that these code quarterbacks coaches are really working on all

1058
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 1: that stuff. So if we're a team in the top

1059
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 1: ten of this draft that needs a quarterback, you can

1060
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 1: fix Anthony Richardson. He is fixable because he has a

1061
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:36,800
Speaker 1: cerebral ability to play the quarterback and obviously the playmate.

1062
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:39,879
Speaker 1: So I think there is a lot of fixable things

1063
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 1: about his game and teams are going to really gravitate.

1064
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 1: But again, you actually have to do it. It's not

1065
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,800
Speaker 1: automatically gonna happen. And that goes back to my point

1066
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: of he's got to go to the right spot. If

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00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 1: he goes to a place with bad coaching, like you

1068
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: look at what happened to Trevor Lawrence right a year ago,

1069
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:57,800
Speaker 1: it's got to be a team that knows how to

1070
00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: fix them, which again is why I look at like

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00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 1: the Giants would be a fit, The Raiders would be

1072
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,399
Speaker 1: a great fit. We saw what McDaniels did with Mac.

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00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 1: Obviously some of these other teams were the coaching is

1074
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:11,320
Speaker 1: a little more shaky, or maybe it's mostly defensive coaches

1075
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: on the staff. I don't know. I look like, you know,

1076
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 1: I brought it up, but I look at it team

1077
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: like the Jets. You're Anthony Richardson, and you saw what

1078
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: that regime did to Zach Wilson exactly. I don't think

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00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: you're bullish about going to the Jets. I mean that's fair.

1080
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 1: But also how much of that did Zach Wilson due

1081
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: to himself a little bit? But now they have na

1082
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: Daniel Hackett all right running their offense. He's the offensive. Yeah. No, see,

1083
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,959
Speaker 1: I might feel a little better about it, actually hack

1084
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 1: it after what he did in Denver, worked in Rogers,

1085
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: he worked, Ye, that's fair. I look at more like

1086
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: the Colts who had what like four coaches in five

1087
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: years or something like that. Stikeens like this. You know,

1088
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: he's the McVay. You know, Cliff King's very model, right,

1089
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 1: you know he's how's that going? Yeah? So I don't know.

1090
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 1: I just he's just fascinating. He's fascinating. He is. And

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00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: I agree with you on him with Will Levice, like

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00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: I take him over Will Levis. I personally, what are

1093
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: you hearing about Will Levice? There mixed reviews, Like I

1094
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 1: think some people are less high on him than than

1095
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 1: the media, and then some people are mel kiper right,

1096
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: who are they think that he's a lock? Top ten

1097
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: you know, maybe even number one quarterback type of guy.

1098
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: I think that the guy that I think is the

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00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: most polarizing here other than Richardson, has gotta be Bryce Young.

1100
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: But I would also say that CJ. Stratt is pretty

1101
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: polarizing right now as well, because it's not a great

1102
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: quarterback class and we're forcing these guys to the top. Also,

1103
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: I don't think Young's polarizing. I think we just don't

1104
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 1: have his measurements yet. Once we get his measurements, answer,

1105
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: I think CJ. Stroud a lot of the things that

1106
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 1: you hear about CJ. Stratt is touch thrower, right, He's

1107
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:57,439
Speaker 1: more of like a touchthrower than a real velocity guy,

1108
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 1: and is at velocity there, and he just didn't he

1109
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 1: didn't use that pitch as often as as the touch

1110
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 1: throws or what's the case there. I think you here's

1111
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 1: some of that. I think you also hear some of

1112
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison Junior and the offensive weapons that he had

1113
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: around him at the receiving position, just and the fact

1114
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:19,919
Speaker 1: that he is protected by maybe two of the best

1115
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: tackles in the draft. He had a nice situation and

1116
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 1: didn't always live up to it last year until maybe

1117
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 1: the playoff game. So I think there's some, you know,

1118
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 1: question marks about all of these guys. I guess it's

1119
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 1: the best way to put it. But if you're going

1120
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 1: to take a chance on anybody, I definitely think that

1121
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: the more and more you talk to people and sort

1122
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 1: of listening and things like that, Anthony Richardson is the

1123
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 1: chance guy. Like, that's the guy that everybody has one

1124
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 1: hundred percent bought in. And if you're going to take

1125
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: a tent a little bit, you're willing to take a

1126
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:52,479
Speaker 1: little bit of a chance at the top of the draft.

1127
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: It's more in a little bit. It's more in a

1128
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 1: little bit, but it's a quarterback. But yeah, yeah, I'll

1129
00:59:58,440 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: just say this with Levis. And by the way, my

1130
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: bold prediction is that assuming he checks out physically and

1131
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 1: like he's ready to go for the start of the season,

1132
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,439
Speaker 1: by the time he gets a draft night, Hendon Hooker

1133
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 1: is going to have passed Will Levis. That's my bold prediction.

1134
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 1: I guess it depends about the medicals. So that's what

1135
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 1: I'm saying. If the medicals check out, I just I

1136
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: look at Levis because there's the reason I asked you

1137
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 1: what people think he didn't throw the ball a ton

1138
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: at Kentucky. That was a very, very run heavy offense

1139
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 1: and not necessarily him running the ball. He ran for

1140
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 1: three hundred yards two years ago. Last year they really

1141
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 1: only used him on kneel downs. He finished with negative

1142
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 1: one hundred rushing yards. When he factor in sacks the

1143
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 1: way college football does it, his touchdown at interception ratios

1144
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 1: less than two to one. He only threw the ball

1145
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 1: two hundred and eighty three times, which the Falcons draft

1146
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 1: and we have another twenty eight three reference. But like

1147
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 1: he doesn't handle pressure well, I'm still struggling to see

1148
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 1: just like what his carrying trade is other than he

1149
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 1: has a big arm. Or is this just Josh Allen

1150
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: hype run totally out of control? Yeah, no, that that

1151
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 1: is the and if that's the case. If that's the case,

1152
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 1: Richardson is much better physical tools than he does. Why

1153
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: is the Richardson projected higher. I don't think that there

1154
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 1: are very many people outside of maybe like the big

1155
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 1: Jay draft analysts that have him higher than Richardson at

1156
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: this point. I think they're the Kuypers and the mcshays

1157
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 1: of the world are going to have him above Richardson

1158
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 1: because of that just just who they are, you know,

1159
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: they're they're I won't get into that, but that I

1160
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 1: think they're gonna have it above above Richardson with Levis,

1161
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 1: But I don't know. The people that I talked to

1162
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 1: um are not in that camp. Let me put you

1163
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 1: that way. I think everybody here really likes Aanthonyson. So

1164
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 1: we'll see what ends up happening with the quarterbacks. Again.

1165
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 1: You know, the Patriots are not in the quarterback market.

1166
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 1: The Patriots are not in the quarterback market. I know

1167
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 1: some people want them to be in the quarterback market,

1168
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 1: but the Patriots aren't in the quarterback market. Maybe maybe

1169
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 1: they're in on a fourth round guy. I could see

1170
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: that they have a couple picks in the fourth round,

1171
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 1: so they have some extra ammo there. Maybe they use

1172
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 1: it to take a flyer on somebody on a your

1173
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 1: guy from b BYU for example, or Jared Hall, or

1174
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit later in the draft on Day

1175
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 1: three they take a DTR or something like that, just

1176
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 1: to have somebody else in the pipeline. But when when

1177
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 1: you go back and look at it, and this is

1178
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 1: what I think people need to realize that the whole

1179
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 1: quarterback thing as well. Everybody points to the Eagles as

1180
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 1: this model of don't don't settle, right, they didn't settle

1181
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 1: on Carson Wentz. They still took Jalen Hurts in the

1182
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 1: second round, and look at what it did it MVP candidates,

1183
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 1: Super Bowl appearance with Jalen Hurts. Right. Carson Wentz was

1184
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 1: drafted in two thousand and sixteen. Jalen Hurts was drafted

1185
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 1: in two So we're talking about the Eagles drafted Jalen

1186
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 1: Hurts two off seasons from now in the Patriots timeline,

1187
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 1: it's not and the other is not necessarily about that.

1188
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 1: It's a bad approach. It's just too early, like it's

1189
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 1: too early in Mac Jones's career to be to be

1190
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be giving Mac Jones more tools and his

1191
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 1: tool about not using a pick on his backup quarterback.

1192
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 1: I understand the thought process, but we're just too early

1193
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 1: in Mac Jones's rookie contract to be doing this. And

1194
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 1: the other thing is all right, So they drafted Jalen

1195
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 1: Hurts in the second round, all right, So go draft

1196
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 1: a second round quarterback. He'll turn into Jalen Hurts. Don't

1197
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 1: you think of every second round quarterback turned into Jalen Hurts.

1198
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 1: The entire second round would be teams taking quarterbacks. It's

1199
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 1: not a guarantee that a Jalen Hurts type player is there.

1200
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 1: I think this year, especially in a weak quarterback class,

1201
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 1: that guy's not there. So it's it's a bit of

1202
01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 1: a logical foula see to me, I think we got

1203
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 1: to everything, Evan. I know we did a full combine

1204
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 1: preview last week, but as the workout to get underweight

1205
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 1: here momentarily anything specific, you're now like even more excited

1206
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 1: for having been there. I do think this cornerback room

1207
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 1: is good. This group of corner's gonna put on a

1208
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 1: show tomorrow. I don't know about today. I'm interested to

1209
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 1: see some of these end rushers and maybe some of

1210
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 1: the off ball linebackers like you know, Drew Sanders or

1211
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 1: your guy Henry Toe to Noah Sewell from Oregon. Interesting

1212
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 1: to see if any of these guys have have some rare,

1213
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 1: freaky athleticism. But it's not a great linebacker class. The

1214
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:40,439
Speaker 1: guy it's gonna be st to Marvin Overshow, he didn't

1215
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 1: even say yeah, but you know he's he's I don't

1216
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 1: know what he weighed in at today. Maybe I think

1217
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 1: those are gonna come out here short at least, and

1218
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 1: maybe we'll see um. But I just I mean more

1219
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 1: of like a guy that weighs like two forty plussing

1220
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 1: can move right, you know, somebody like that, because they're

1221
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:01,480
Speaker 1: not gonna draft two hundred and twenty five pound line

1222
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 1: They're just not. So maybe it's somebody like I think

1223
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 1: Sanders is probably two thirty five, two forty. If he's

1224
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 1: a really good athlete like Jack Campbell from Iowa, maybe

1225
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 1: he kind of is like the Leoshan Hall of this

1226
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 1: draft class, I think. And maybe he's somebody that has

1227
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 1: a really good workout and moves up the board a

1228
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 1: little bit. I don't love the linebacker class, but I

1229
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:32,439
Speaker 1: understand that that need has been pushed down the list

1230
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 1: because a I think we're all sick and tired of

1231
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 1: wanting it and not getting it. And I think the

1232
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 1: other thing is that, you know, these other needs are

1233
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:45,959
Speaker 1: just more pressing at more premium positions at this point.

1234
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 1: But I think linebacker, off ball linebacker, maybe maybe they

1235
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 1: take an Ivan Paste from Cincinnati or something like that too,

1236
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 1: as someone that they can get that has a little

1237
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 1: bit of speed and explosiveness. So we are getting some

1238
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 1: measure mints in now. I want to see before we

1239
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 1: end this if overshoons have come in. Does look like

1240
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 1: they're doing defensive lineman first, so maybe not. I love.

1241
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 1: By the way, there's two guys named Byron Young in

1242
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:13,440
Speaker 1: this draft, and teams have to like differential, people have

1243
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 1: to differentiate which one. What are the odds that, like

1244
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 1: a team accidentally drafts the wrong buyer and Young because

1245
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 1: it's supposed to go in the same range in the

1246
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 1: draft too, It's definitely possible. Okay, it doesn't look like no,

1247
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 1: it wouldn't happen. Uh, it doesn't look like we have

1248
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 1: overshown yet. We do have Andre Carter six six and

1249
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 1: a half two fifty six, so he's put on a

1250
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:36,919
Speaker 1: little bit away. Yeah, we'll see about him. We'll see

1251
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 1: an interesting player. All right. Oh, that's gonna do it

1252
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 1: for this episode of Catch twenty two. Evan will be

1253
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 1: back in the building. Next week we'll recap the combine,

1254
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 1: we will look at a free agency will be a

1255
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 1: week out from free agency at this time next week

1256
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