1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Hi. This is due to the virus. I'm recording from home, 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: so you may notice a difference in audio quality on 3 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: this episode of News World. Doctor Ben Carson has lived 4 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:16,080 Speaker 1: the American dream. He grew up in poverty, the second 5 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: son of a young divorced mom, and really overcame impossible 6 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: odds to attend Yale as an undergraduate and then go 7 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: on to medical school. He became a prominent pediatric neurosurgeon 8 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 1: at Johns Hopkins, leading world renowned surgeries. After his speech 9 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: at the twenty thirteen Prayer Breakfast, he was recruited to 10 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: run for president twenty sixteen. He became the seventeenth Secretary 11 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: of Housing and Urban Development in March twenty seventeen. Secretary 12 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: Carson has led an extraordinary life, and I'm pleased to 13 00:00:47,479 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: welcome him as my guest. I am particularly excited to 14 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: have somebody who I think is a genuine American hero, 15 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: a remarkable human being with a great personal story and 16 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:14,320 Speaker 1: a deep dedication to public service. I first met doctor 17 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: Carson at the annual Prayer Breakfast on February sixth, nineteen 18 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: ninety seven, when I was Speaker of the House. Both 19 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 1: of us were Republican candidates for president. I ran in 20 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: twenty twelve and doctor Carson ran in twenty sixteen, and 21 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: I was just stunned by the wisdom, the common sense, 22 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: and the really great teaching skills that he had. And 23 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: I'll never forget he started by going through a series 24 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: of descriptors part of your brain, to which your horse, 25 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: none of us had a clue. Stopped and said, that's 26 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: not because I'm necessarily smarter than you. It's because that's 27 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: what I studied and learned, and everybody can study and learn. 28 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: And I think the best way to understand how truly 29 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: remarkable is to start with his childhood. So if you 30 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: would then take us back to where you came from 31 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: and how your mother helped you learn to have goals 32 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: and ideals as a child. The first eight years of 33 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: my life were not that bad. You know. My parents 34 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: were together. My mother discovered that her husband was a 35 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 1: big amist when I was eight years old, and that 36 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: reachal and the divorced, and she only had less than 37 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: a third grade education. So for a short period of 38 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: time we actually didn't have a home. And then some 39 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: relatives in Boston took us in and it was in 40 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: a typical tenement, large multi family dwellings, poured it up, 41 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: windows indoors, sirens, gangs, murders, rats, roaches, the whole nine 42 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: yards of everything you see on television. I remember, as 43 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: a nine year old sitting on the ghetto stairs looking 44 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: through the building across the street, out of which all 45 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: the windows had been broken. Then there was a shining 46 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: through and it made me think about my future. I 47 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: remember thinking that I probably would never live to be 48 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: more than twenty or twenty five years old, because that's 49 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 1: what I saw around me. My older cousins were killed. 50 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: I mean I saw people lying on the ground with 51 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:22,519 Speaker 1: bullet hose, so that seemed like just the way things were. Subsequently, 52 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: we moved back to Detroit. I was at the bottom 53 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: of the class, and we lived right exactly next to 54 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: the railroad tracks. They say you're born on the wrong 55 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: side of the tracks, but we were just on one 56 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: side of the track where it was mostly a white 57 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: community versus mostly a black community. So I actually ended 58 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: up going to a white elementary school and I was 59 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: the bottom of the class, but everybody expected you to 60 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: be the bottom of the class. That was just the 61 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: way things were, so that wasn't surprising to anyone. But 62 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: my mother was just devastated by the fact that I 63 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: was doing so poorly and my brother was doing so poorly. 64 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,839 Speaker 1: And she was actually a very wise woman. Even though 65 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: she didn't have much of the world's goods and didn't 66 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 1: have much education, she was wise. And she observed in 67 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: the homes that she cleaned, and she cleaned two or 68 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: three homes a day, went from one job to the 69 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 1: next because she didn't want to be un welfare. And 70 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:29,359 Speaker 1: she observed that they did a lot of reading and 71 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: didn't do much television watching. And she came home and 72 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 1: imposed that upon me and my brother, and we were 73 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: not happy at all, as you might imagine, but you 74 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: have to know my mother. She said, you're going to 75 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: read these books. And we had to read them. And 76 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: as I was reading about scientists and surgeons and explorers 77 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: and entrepreneurs, it became clearer and clearer to me every 78 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: day that the person who has the most to do 79 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 1: it what happens to you in life, it's not somebody else. 80 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: And everybody around me was talking about how the system 81 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: was stacked against you, and how these racist people were 82 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 1: doing everything, and how you couldn't make it. I kind 83 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: of just took all that stuff and shoved it out 84 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 1: of the way, and started concentrating on what you can do, 85 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: not on what you can't do, and started taking advantage 86 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: of opportunities that existed. Started to talking to my teachers 87 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: about things that they knew that were available, not maybe 88 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: in the school that I was in, but maybe in 89 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: some other places around the city. And I would go 90 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: to those places and avail myself of those opportunities. And 91 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: it made a tremendous difference in my outlook and in 92 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: my academic achievement. I became top student, want a scholarship 93 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 1: to Yale, subsequently onto medical school, and just continued to 94 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: push the envelope. Even in medical school, where I decided 95 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 1: that I wanted to be a neurosurgeon, there had only 96 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: been eight black neurosurgeons in the world. Everybody thought that 97 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: was really a weird thing for me to do. But 98 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,359 Speaker 1: when God hands out talent, he doesn't care what color 99 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 1: you are, and I had already adopted that mindset. So 100 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: I took to nursurgery like a duck to water, and 101 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: the rest of it turned out pretty good. How man 102 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: a culture shock was it to go from Detroit to 103 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:36,239 Speaker 1: Yale Oh, my goodness. It was a huge culture shock. 104 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 1: First of all, it was the first time I'd ever 105 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 1: flown on an airplane. And when I went to college, 106 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: was the first time I ever went to a restaurant. 107 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: Going from poverty to a place where you had real 108 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 1: silver in the dining room and oriental rugs and these 109 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: beautiful paintings. Now I learned a little bit about art 110 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 1: because back in Detroit, I had a goal. I wanted 111 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: to be a contestant on television program you may remember, 112 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: ge College Ball, and used to come on every Sunday. 113 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: It was my favorite TV program. Sometimes they would ask 114 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,679 Speaker 1: questions about classical music and classical art. I know anything 115 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: about that. You've never learned that at Southwest in High 116 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: School in Detroit. But I started going down to the 117 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: Detroit Insto the Arts in Roman, to those galleries every 118 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: day until I knew every painting, who painted, when they 119 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: were born, when they died, what period it represented. Just 120 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: getting ready for college Ball. And I even determine which 121 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: college I was going to attend based on that program, 122 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: because I had enough money to apply to one college, 123 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: and I said, I'm going to apply to the college 124 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: that wins the Grand championship in college ball with a 125 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: grand championship that year was between Harvard and Yale, and 126 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: Yale just wiped Harvard out. I mean it was ridiculous. 127 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: I said, I want to go to school a bunch 128 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: of dummy. So I applied to Yale, only accepted me 129 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: but worked. Okay, major culture shot. When you get to Yale, 130 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: probably the most important event is outside the classroom, because 131 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: you meet Candy Russian. Yes, absolutely, Candy was a couple 132 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: of years behind me, but I had met her and 133 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: I knew that she was a musician and our church 134 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: needed an organist, and so I just said, you're a musician, 135 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: you would buy any chance to play the organ She says, 136 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: I'm a violinist, but I know how to play the keyboard. 137 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: I said, would you mind coming to our church and 138 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: maybe trying out for organists? And she came and she 139 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: wasn't a very good organist, but she started singing in 140 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: the choir and that's how our relationship grew and it 141 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 1: all worked out and we've been married for forty five years. 142 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: When you invited her to try out for organist, was 143 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: that really sort of an indirect way of having a date. No, 144 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:07,319 Speaker 1: I was sincere about it. But when she came that 145 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: Sabbath and she played a solo on her violin prey 146 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:18,839 Speaker 1: Lidium and Allegro by Fritz Chrisler, it was just so beautiful. 147 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: And I think that's when it really kind of started. 148 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: One part of your life that's a little sobeign and 149 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: that was the accident that you and Candy weren't. We 150 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: had been recruiting for Yale. I was a senior in 151 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: Candy with a sophomore, and we both wanted to go 152 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: home for Thanksgiving. Neither one of us had the funds 153 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: to be able to do that, but school would pay 154 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 1: your way back home if you agreed to recruit for 155 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: them while you were at home, so we actually were 156 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: on Yale's dime. We got to go out to restaurants, 157 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: we got to really know each other, and the last 158 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: night we were both visiting, she was visiting her sister 159 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: and I was visiting some friends at the University of 160 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: Michigan before we drove back to New Haven because we 161 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: had to have the car back the next day, so 162 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: we were going to drive all night and on Interstate eighty. 163 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: By the time we hit Youngstown on how we had 164 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: both fallen asleep going ninety miles an hour, and I 165 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: was awakened with the vibration of the cars. It was 166 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: going off the road heading toward a rasine, and I 167 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: turned to wheel. My car just started spending like a 168 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: spinning top instead of flipping over and going down the rasine. 169 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: And they say, your life pansers before your eyes before 170 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: you die. It does. It was like a little newsreel. 171 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: And and then the car stopped in the correct lane 172 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,719 Speaker 1: so I could pull off the shoulder just as an 173 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 1: eighteen wheeler was coming through. We were both awake by 174 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: that time, and we just said, you know what, the 175 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: Lord just spit our lives because he has something for 176 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: us to do. And that's the night we started going together. 177 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: That's a great story. There not many people who can 178 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: say that their relationship really be in with a life 179 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: saving incident. That's right. It was on the twenty eighth 180 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: of November, and ever since that time we celebrate the 181 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: twenty eighth of each month. That's great. She's a great person. 182 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: Christ and I really feel very honored to have the 183 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: two of you as friends. Now you end up going 184 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: into pediatric neurosurgery, which is a very complicated specialty. Because 185 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,959 Speaker 1: you're dealing with young children and with different framework reference. 186 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: And yes, probably your most famous achievement was back in 187 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty seven when you were the lead neurosurgeon of 188 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: a seventy member surgical team that separated conjoined twins Patrick 189 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:56,199 Speaker 1: and Benjamin Biner. I mean, that must have been an 190 00:11:56,240 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: unbelievable experience to have a team that's all, and a 191 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: challenge that well, it was kind of an interesting situation because, 192 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: you know, a couple of years before that, I had 193 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 1: my fifteen minutes of same for doing him as for 194 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,959 Speaker 1: rectomy as an operation which we take out half to 195 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 1: brain and children with intractable seizures to stop them. And 196 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: then the year after that, I had my fifteen minutes 197 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: of same for operating on twins that were still in 198 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: the mother's womb. And I remember saying, the candy, if 199 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: there's another fifteen minutes of same, I said, the media 200 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: is not completely stupid. They'll say, isn't that the same 201 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 1: guy in and then they'll start looking into my background 202 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: and they'll say, this is just amazing. And that's exactly 203 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: what happened with the bend of twins, And that was 204 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: an incredible endeavor. We practiced that operation for five months 205 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: figure out how to do it, and had everybody involved, 206 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: even down to the electrician of what would we do 207 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: if there was a power on its We had every 208 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: contingency covered and the head nurse and neurosurgery would have 209 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: me as her patient. I would lay down on the 210 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: couch and close my eyes and she said, tell me 211 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: what instruments you need, and she put together the whole package. 212 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: And it was an amazing endeavor with so many talented people. 213 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 1: I was one of the people, and of course as 214 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: a lade surgeon, I got the credit, but it was 215 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 1: a real team effort, and interestingly enough, that was the 216 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: first case. There were a number of conjoint cases over 217 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: the years, and in one of them, I said, why 218 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: should I be doing this one? This is the number 219 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: one neurasurgery department in the world, and we got some 220 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: of the best neural vascular surgeons and skull based surgeons 221 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: and tumor surgeons, and so I got eighteen neurosurgeons involved, 222 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:02,079 Speaker 1: and we scheduled them into the operation at the time 223 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: when their skill would be most appropriate, and by doing 224 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: it that way, we were ten hours ahead of schedule. 225 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 1: And it really goes to show what can be done 226 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: when it doesn't matter who gets the credit, and you 227 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: really take advantage of the talent around And if we 228 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: could learn that as a society, and particularly I thought 229 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: Congress could learn that, boy, could we get a lot done. 230 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: There's old Reagan signing head on his desk, and it's 231 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: amazing what you can accomplish if you don't mind or 232 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: gets the credit. But you're sort of a natural team builder. 233 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: And one of the things you did that would really 234 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: I think very farsighted and assigned a great citizenship. You 235 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: and Candy co founded the Carson scholars Fund. What inspired 236 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: that and what was your goal? Then? I was doing 237 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: a lot of speaking in public schools, and whenever you 238 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: went into the school, first thing you would see is 239 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: the trophy display all state basketball, all state wrestling, all 240 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: state this, that and the other. And then there's just 241 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: like a tiny little corner somewhere with the honor roll. 242 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: And I said, why don't we honor the kids who 243 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: achieve academically at the highest levels. They're the ones who 244 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: are going to make big contributions in our society. So 245 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: that was the birth of the program, and we'll be 246 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: actually celebrating our twenty fifth anniversary of giving out scholarships 247 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: next spring that we're hoping to award the ten thousandth scholarship. 248 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: And it starts in the fourth grade children who achieve 249 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: at the highest academic levels. But that's only half of it. 250 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: The other half is that they have to demonstrate that 251 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: they care about other people. We need to develop leaders 252 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: who are not only very smart, who actually hear about 253 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: other people, and I think it will make the difference 254 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: in our society. You ultimately moved on from surgery, became 255 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: really famous writing books and giving inspirational speeches, and then 256 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: ran for president. That must have been a totally different experience. 257 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: It was for me, and I've been in politics a 258 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: long time, So what was it like for you as 259 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: a learning experience to jump in like that? And at 260 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: one point, I think you're the only person who was 261 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: ever ahead of Trump and the preferences. It was pretty amazing. Well, 262 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: first of all, I never had any intention of going 263 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: into political arena, but after the twenty thirteen National Proof practice, 264 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, everybody was saying, your shop run 265 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: for president. Every place I went giving speeches and there 266 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: beyond these people would run Ben run placards, and I 267 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: was saying, this is ridiculous. If I just ignore it, it 268 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 1: it will go away. But it didn't go away. It 269 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: actually increased. At five hundred thousand petitions. In my office, 270 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: I could barely get in the door all the boxes 271 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 1: of petitions. And I finally said, Lord, this is not 272 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: something that I particularly want to do, but I don't 273 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,239 Speaker 1: have all the things that people who run for president have, 274 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 1: a rolodex with all the contacts, a big organization, the money. 275 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: I don't have any of that stuff, nor do I 276 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 1: plan to spend my time developing it. I said, so, 277 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,400 Speaker 1: if you want me to do this, you have to 278 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: provide all that. The next thing I knew, I had 279 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: an organization. They were raising more money than the RNC 280 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 1: each month. Things just kind of took off and it 281 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 1: was a pretty amazing adventure. But one of the things 282 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: that I learned is that as I traveled to every 283 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: look and cranny of the country, we have a lot 284 00:17:55,000 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: of people with common sense in this country and hard 285 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: at people who are willing to extend their hand to 286 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: their neighbor. If you look at the news, you just 287 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 1: sort of get the impression that the wild eyed radicals 288 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: are the main people in this country. That's not true 289 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: by any stretch of the imagination. And what we have 290 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 1: to do is get people to understand that the magic 291 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: of our nation is our liberty and the freedoms that 292 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: we have for the pursuit of happiness. Those things will 293 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: disappear unless we're willing to fight for them. The Land 294 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 1: of the free and the home of the brave. But 295 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 1: you can't be the land of the free if you're 296 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 1: not the home of the brave. You can't just stand 297 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: in the corner and hope nobody calls you a racist 298 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: or some other name. You've got to be willing to 299 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 1: get out there and fight for it. And that is 300 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: such a key issue right now. It will determine what 301 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: America's future is. So when you were in the middle 302 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 1: of all this, when you were interacting with all these 303 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 1: different people, did you come out of it more optimistic 304 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:09,719 Speaker 1: about the country? We're more trouble. The times I saw you, 305 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 1: you were getting a great response. We were having amazing rallies. 306 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: We would have to do the same rally two sometimes 307 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: three times because so many people. It gave me a 308 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 1: sense that we have a strong future if we have 309 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 1: strong leaders. I think President Trump is a strong leader. 310 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: Now does he have some faults. Of course, we all 311 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: have faults. You'll never have to wonder about what he's thinking, 312 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: that's yeah. But he is a strong leader who I 313 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 1: think loves this country. He sometimes shoots himself in the foot, 314 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: but so does the other side to the extent that 315 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 1: I think they kind of cancel each other out. So 316 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: it's a matter of getting the right message out. Now. 317 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: There are those like the never Trumpers, the Lincoln Project, 318 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: who want to make it about the messenger at this 319 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: critical juncture in our country. It's not about the messenger. 320 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: It's about the message. It's about what kind of America 321 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: do we want. Do we want America that's of for 322 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: and by the people, or of for and by the government. 323 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 1: That is the fundamental question. And what system do you 324 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: want your children your grandchildren to live under the system 325 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: of freedom that surrounds our people, or a system in 326 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 1: which the government takes care of you from prey to 327 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: the grade. But you have to give them all power. 328 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 1: I was really struck when I came over to visit 329 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: with you at Housing and Urban Development, where you're the secretary, 330 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,360 Speaker 1: that you don't see it as a collection of buildings. 331 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 1: You see it as human beings, and that helping the 332 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: human beings is sort of at the heart of your focus. 333 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 1: But could you talk a little bit about that, because 334 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: I think you bring a almost more of a missionary 335 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: passion to the job. The most screator is doing it 336 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:05,120 Speaker 1: changed man, you're really about a transformational approach to help 337 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: people have dramatically better futures. Yes, we've changed our definition 338 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: of success from the number of people we can get 339 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 1: into our programs to the number of people we can 340 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: get out of our programs and onto a trajectory of 341 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:24,919 Speaker 1: self sufficiency where they can actually realize the American dream. 342 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 1: And that's why we've expanded our family self sufficiency programming. 343 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: That's why we've initiated the FYI program, the Foster Youth 344 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: to Independence program, because there were so many young people, 345 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: about twenty thousand a year who age out of foster care. 346 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: They're eighteen years old, they're out there, I have no 347 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: support system. All kinds of bad things happen. We can't 348 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: do that as a society. But also, one of the 349 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: things that struck me when I got to HUT is 350 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: that there was no CFO, and had not been a 351 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: CFO almost a decade with the billions of dollars floating 352 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: through there. So we managed to get a terrific DFO 353 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 1: from Arnstein Younger, thirty seven year executive ear Dennis, who 354 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: came in and brought real financial structure, and we worked 355 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: with the FAH to really bolster the cash reserves. And 356 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 1: a lot of people criticized us and they said, why 357 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: don't you lower the insurance premiums. You've got a little 358 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: bit of a buffer here, and we said, we have 359 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: a little bit of a buffer, but we don't have 360 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 1: enough of a buffer in case there's a real tragedy 361 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,919 Speaker 1: at some point. And I said, no, no, that's just 362 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: the wrong thing. Well, of course COVID nineteen came along, 363 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,160 Speaker 1: which was that real tragedy, and we had the resources 364 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,199 Speaker 1: to be able to deal with it because of that 365 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: foresight and then thinking about the future. So Envision centers also, 366 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 1: which are exploding at very rapid rate all over the country. 367 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 1: Almost every community has resources to help take care of 368 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: poor people, but they're scattered all over the place and 369 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: somebody who's working a low wage job, they don't have 370 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 1: time to go to seventeen different locations. Envision Centers bring 371 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: everything under one roof and coordinate it. And they also 372 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 1: make the resources from the federal government as well as 373 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: the state government and local government available in one location. 374 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: And that is obviously having a very positive impact because 375 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: we want that young woman who has two or three 376 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: children to be able to have a place where she 377 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: can go to and get appropriate childcare that she doesn't 378 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: have to worry about, and direction on getting her geed, 379 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 1: and direction on getting further training so that she can 380 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: become independent and more importantly teach that to her children. 381 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 1: So you break the cycles of dependency. And you see 382 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:08,439 Speaker 1: one of the things about socialism, they thrive on dependency, 383 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: dependency on the government, so they do things to increase 384 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: poverty and leave that poverty in place. They want control 385 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 1: of everything, including your health care, and they want you 386 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: to depend on them for your safety, and it never 387 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: leads to the kind of tremendous growth and prosperity that 388 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 1: you see in a country like America. The Envision Centers 389 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 1: really come back also to you chairing the White House 390 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: Opportunity and Revitalization Council, which is a big opportunity zones, 391 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: which I guess Tim Scott played a major role in 392 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: getting the President signed up and getting a bill through 393 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 1: the Congress. In your judgment, are they actually make an 394 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 1: impact as was over eight thousand opportunity zones already eight thousand, 395 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: seven hundred and sixty one to be exact all over 396 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 1: the country. And this was resulted from the twenty seventeen 397 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: tax cuts in Job Act, so that people could invest 398 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 1: unrealized capital gains into areas that were designated by each 399 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: of the governors and each state as economically deprived areas. 400 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 1: And if they left the money in for five years, 401 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 1: they get a ten percent decrement in the capital gains 402 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 1: they have to pay on their original investment. That moves 403 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 1: up to fifteen percent if they leave it in for 404 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: seven years, and they don't have to pay any capital 405 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,360 Speaker 1: gains on the new money realized as a result of 406 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 1: the investment if they leave it in for ten years. 407 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,959 Speaker 1: So it's a tremendous indissement. And it was expected that 408 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: over the ten year period it would attract about a 409 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:58,120 Speaker 1: hundred billion dollars. Well in the first two years it's 410 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: already attract at seventy five billion dollars. And the CEA, 411 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: the Console Economic Advisors, did their report in August to 412 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 1: the President on opportunity zones, demonstrating that poverty and the 413 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: opportunity zones decreased by e eleven percent, a million people 414 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:23,120 Speaker 1: will be lifted out of poverty, and just naming an 415 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: area as an opportunity zone increases the housing values by 416 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: one point one percent, resulting in eleven billion dollars new 417 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 1: wealth increase in those areas and those are areas where 418 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: disadvantage people live. That's why you don't hear as much 419 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: criticism now about this only helping the wealthy, because those 420 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 1: numbers have come out, it's pretty hard to argue with 421 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,719 Speaker 1: the facts. Well, if you combine that with where we 422 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: were in February, were we when we hit the lowest 423 00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:00,959 Speaker 1: African American and the lowest Latino one employment members in history. 424 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 1: There really are a lot of positive under occurrence that 425 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 1: are moving towards individuals and families having better lives. That's 426 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:15,439 Speaker 1: exactly right. And having an economy, and this is something 427 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: that I think people don't think about. Having an economy 428 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: that was so strong that it could withstand six months 429 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 1: of shutdown and still be functioning and actually starting to 430 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 1: rebound is truly amazing. And if we get really the 431 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: silliness and a partisanship and hoping for failure and trying 432 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 1: to do things to cause other people that fail so 433 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 1: that you can get power. Can you imagine what would 434 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: happen with our economy and with the lives of all 435 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,640 Speaker 1: of our people, And that's where we need to get 436 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 1: once again, I agree, and I think you're personally doing 437 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 1: a lot to move us in that direction. And part 438 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: of that also, if I understand it, has been eliminating 439 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,959 Speaker 1: the various regulatory barriers to tide people's hands so they 440 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: couldn't use common sense. Yeah, that's probably been much more 441 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,880 Speaker 1: important even than the tax. Tax cuts are nice, but 442 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: having a situation where people's entrepreneurial spirit and innovation can 443 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: actually manifest because you're not being slapped down by a 444 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: ton of regulations and bearcrats is what has allowed us 445 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: to survive this coronavirus pandemic that's going on. There have 446 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 1: been new businesses that have cropped up during the pandemic 447 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: simply because we have removed so many of those regulations. 448 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: If we can continue to keep that the case, the 449 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: spring back will be just very dramatic, and hopefully after 450 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: the election, we can make a lot of progress with coronavirus. 451 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: I think there's been some decreased attention to some of 452 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: the therapeutics that are very, very promising for various and 453 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: sundry reasons. And helpfully, a lot of those reasons will 454 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 1: disappear after the election. If the country validates the direction 455 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: we're going in. I have a hunch the second drum, 456 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: it will be easier to get legislation passed to sort 457 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: of codify and build on the work you've already done. 458 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: People will be in a mood to find some way 459 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: to work together rather than just to be hostile with 460 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: each other. Well, I'm truly hoping so, because we have 461 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 1: an amazing country. I've been a sixty eight country and 462 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: there is just no place like this nation. It's why 463 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 1: it's the destination for so many people. It's why people 464 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: form caravans trying to get in here. If it was 465 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: the horrible, racist country that people say it was, why 466 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: would people be trying to get in here. It would 467 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: be the stupidest thing in the world. It's a fabulous country. 468 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: Do we have defects. Absolutely, It's a country that's inhabited 469 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: by imperfect people, and imperfect people do imperfect things. That 470 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that the country is evil, systemically evil, and 471 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,479 Speaker 1: that's a very immature approach to take. You have to 472 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: recognize that your history, the good and the bad and ugly, 473 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: your history is what gives you your identity, and your 474 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: identity is the thing upon which your beliefs are established. 475 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: So if you get rid of your history, the whole 476 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 1: game of arts collapse us and you become a tablaza, 477 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 1: easy bait for anybody to come along and influence and 478 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,479 Speaker 1: take in another direction. That's what we need to be 479 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: very careful of right now. And there are those who 480 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: are just interested in power and their own power, and 481 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 1: they're not interested in our history, and they're not interested 482 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 1: in the things that we've done and the stability that 483 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: this country brings to the world. You know this as 484 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: a student of history. What the world was like before 485 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: the United States became a power. All these despotic leaders 486 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 1: reaching havoc upon other nations and pummeling them and taking 487 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 1: them over. The United States has brought a significant amount 488 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: of stability to that process. And if the United States 489 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: were to be diminished, all of those things will be 490 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: back before you know it. And we have to keep 491 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: that in mind. So we play a stabilization role in 492 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: the world without necessarily interfering with the way other people 493 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: conduct their business. Have you in that sense of a 494 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 1: chance to work with and interact with the equivalent of 495 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: HUD secretaries and other countries, Yes, I have, and it's 496 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 1: been fascinating, and we get some ideas from them too. 497 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 1: Like in Japan, they have a significantly aging population, and 498 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: some of the things that they do to take care 499 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: of them, including having traveling grocery stores that come to 500 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: a certain neighborhood reliably at a certain time every week, 501 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 1: and the elderly people can just go down the stairs 502 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: and load up what they need and go back, and 503 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 1: it's fantastic. Those kinds of good ideals I think are 504 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: very helpful. And there's some places in this country that 505 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 1: have actually started having food bands, and there's a variety 506 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: of things that I think that we can learn from 507 00:32:55,600 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 1: each other. And I sometimes just fantasize some of the 508 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: things that could be happening in our country if we 509 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: didn't see each other as enemies and as opponents and 510 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: obstacles to obtaining power. You know, I hope after the 511 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 1: election that we can have kind of a reset in 512 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: that sense and find a way to bring most of 513 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: us to either you'll never get everybody together. But I 514 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: think most Americans, liberal and conservative, Democrat and Republican, deep down, 515 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: I think most of them want the country to succeed 516 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: because they recognize that the country is them, it's their family. 517 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: In the absence of them working together, we're faced with 518 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: a much longer and sadder future. I think so. I 519 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: think you were one of the people who has that instinct, 520 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 1: and I think you naturally a team builder for older Americans. 521 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: That's the case for a lot of the younger Americans 522 00:33:55,360 --> 00:34:00,120 Speaker 1: who've been indoctrinated to believe that we're evil. Systemically, we 523 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 1: have our work cut out to give them the real history, 524 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 1: to give them the real story, and make them actually 525 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 1: proud to be Americans rather than people who don't want 526 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 1: to honor our flag, don't want to honor our military, 527 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 1: don't want to honor our police, because they just think 528 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 1: that those are inherently evil things, because that's what they've 529 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 1: been taught. The left whos want to fundamentally change our country, 530 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: they knew to do that, you have to control three things, education, media, 531 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: and the courts, and two of those they had already 532 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,880 Speaker 1: in the courts they thought they would get. The twenty 533 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,799 Speaker 1: sixteen elections spoiled those thoughts, and now they're looking for 534 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 1: other ways that they can somehow get control of the 535 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 1: courts so they can continue their dream. And we have 536 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 1: to realize that those people exist. They've called themselves different 537 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 1: things right now, they call themselves progressives. They've been socialists, 538 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,839 Speaker 1: they've been communists, they've been Fabians, they've been all kinds 539 00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: of things. But they exist and they will continue to exist. 540 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: And we have to present the alternative in a vocal 541 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: way that our young people can see so that they 542 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: have a counterbalance. Oh, I agree. I was just going 543 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,880 Speaker 1: to say that one of the great opportunities is going 544 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 1: to come up in twenty twenty six when we celebrate 545 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 1: the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the Declaration Independence. 546 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: And in pastimes when we've had those kinds of events, 547 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:33,799 Speaker 1: they really become national patriotic cycles where people are sort 548 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 1: of reimmersed in what has made us an outstanding country 549 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: and has made American acceptance. And well, the generation they 550 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,760 Speaker 1: got really bad education can still learn, and the jobs 551 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 1: up to us to so to help teach them. And 552 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: you're one of those people who is uniquely positioned both 553 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 1: by your life's work and by your personality to be 554 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 1: a leader and doing all that I think. I want 555 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 1: to thank you for continuing your career by serving the 556 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 1: country a great thing, and I appreciate what you and 557 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 1: Dandy have sacrificed. And I thank you first staying involved 558 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 1: you and Kleistic because having voices of reason with people 559 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 1: with common sense who are smart makes a big difference. 560 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 1: Thank you to my guest, doctor Ben Carson. 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