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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stuff

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Speaker 1: I'll Never Told You, a production of iHeartRadio, and today

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Speaker 1: I wanted to bring back a classic about sports spras. Interestingly,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to bring this back to revisit what is

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Speaker 1: going on in the world of the Women's World Cup.

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Speaker 1: But you beat me to it, Samantha with the Monday Minnie.

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Speaker 1: But we have been talking a lot about sports and

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Speaker 1: about sports uniforms, which we did talk about in that

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Speaker 1: episode we did with Whitney about women's soccer and women's

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Speaker 1: shorts in particular, and this was an episode I remember

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Speaker 1: editing in being my mind being blown. I didn't realize

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Speaker 1: so much of this, and definitely during the pandemic. If

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Speaker 1: I wear a bra, it's a sports bra almost always.

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Speaker 2: Gotta be comfortable.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, But there's also a lot of talk. I

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Speaker 1: know I mentioned this before, but there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: talking here. And there has been a lot of talk

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Speaker 1: recently about so called gintimidation for women and feeling like

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Speaker 1: they can't go to the gym and feeling like they

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Speaker 1: need to look a certain way if they do go.

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Speaker 1: And me, when I was in middle school and all

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Speaker 1: of the boys giving his names based on mountainous states

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Speaker 1: and the size of our boobs. So I just remember

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Speaker 1: editing this episode and being like, yes, yes, So please

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Speaker 1: enjoy this classic episode.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Stuff Mom Never Told from houstuff Works dot com.

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Speaker 4: Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Kristen and I'm Caroline,

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Speaker 4: and today we're talking about.

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Speaker 2: Boobs in motion, boobs, sweating boobs, bouncing boobs, exercising, boobs.

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Speaker 4: On the move, boobs on the move and on the

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Speaker 4: move they are.

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Speaker 5: Because we're gonna get I don't want to, I'm not

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Speaker 5: gonna spoil it, but there is a factual tidbit in

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Speaker 5: this episode that involves the car and it's blowing my

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Speaker 5: mind and I can't wait to blow y'all's minds too.

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Speaker 5: Because boobs when you move, they move even faster.

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Speaker 4: Breasts are incredible.

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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna go ahead and say they're incredible. But

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Speaker 2: they can also make exercising incredibly challenging, oh for sure.

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Speaker 2: And this episode was inspired by research that I just

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Speaker 2: mumbled across of how there are now two and only

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Speaker 2: two studies looking at how breasts and our breast size influence.

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Speaker 4: Women and girls' likelihood to exercise. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Well, I it's funny that we had like boob research kismet,

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Speaker 5: I think because just further proving that you and I

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Speaker 5: are somehow connected at the brainstem. Because around the same

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Speaker 5: time that you were stumbling across this research, I was

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Speaker 5: separately having a conversation with someone else about how lady

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Speaker 5: golfers frequently have to change their stance or have a

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Speaker 5: different stance than male golfers because of their breasts getting

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was this golf commentator who was quoted in

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Speaker 2: one of the pieces I was reading from like nineteen

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Speaker 4: Event he said on television, yeah, how women's boobs just

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Speaker 4: And the thing entirely rong.

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Speaker 2: I know, the thing is like cringe reading that, But

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Speaker 2: then at the same time it's like, well, you mean

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Speaker 2: you do have a point, And the thing is it

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Speaker 2: is time we pay a lot more attention to our breasts,

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Speaker 2: whether we are exercising casually just for health and fitness,

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Speaker 2: all the way up to professional sports like a professional golfer.

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Speaker 2: And by pay attention to I don't mean, of course

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the oggling of boobs, it's already.

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Speaker 4: We're good. Yeah, we're good on that end.

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Speaker 2: But it's time for us to pay closer attention to

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Speaker 2: figuring out how to vault over exercises boob barrier because

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Speaker 2: surprising to me. Not that I couldn't imagine how that

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Speaker 5: Yeah, boob bounce is one of the more painful things

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think boobs of any size bouncing hurts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and if I'm not wearing a bra and I'm

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Speaker 4: Yeah, extureing you just running in a circle in your apartment.

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Speaker 2: Pretty much, that's how I get my feminist rage out.

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Speaker 5: I mean, if there's one thing we do not need

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Speaker 4: For instance, by the age of fourteen.

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Speaker 5: Girls are dropping out of sports at twice the rate

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Speaker 2: And a lot of times the explanation for that, the

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Speaker 4: And that might be the case.

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Speaker 2: But looking at the study we're about to I think

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Speaker 2: there's more boob to it. Than that, and outside of

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Speaker 5: according to the Cleveland Clinic, women who get plenty of

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Speaker 5: And I mean that sounds silly, but like like we said,

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Speaker 5: it can also just draw unwanted attention, especially if you're

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean, and girl in general are developing

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Speaker 2: This is what I mean when I say that breasts

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Speaker 2: are incredible. And Caroline, please share your car fact.

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Speaker 4: This is my favorite little tidbit.

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Speaker 5: So you know, Kristin did mention that boobs and their

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Speaker 5: movement and how they move has not been studied overly

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's my favorite boob related car fact or car

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Speaker 2: It's like a mashup of stuff Mom never told you

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Speaker 2: in an hour of moderate jogging. As Amanda has noted

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Speaker 2: aren't supported. While obviously that can be painful because when

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Speaker 4: Up and down.

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Speaker 2: In fact, they move in a figure eight motion, and

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Speaker 5: Force Oh, that sounds terrible, but it makes sense because

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Speaker 4: Because I just think of sports bras as.

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Speaker 5: Like, sure, they've always existed the way.

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Speaker 4: That bras have existed for a long time.

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Speaker 5: No, like having good support bra wise, and like knowing

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Speaker 4: Oh, it's still developing.

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Speaker 2: Sportsbra technology has not caught up to the biomechanics of

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Speaker 2: do a whole separate one on the history of the

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Speaker 2: getting fed up and actually like tying two jockstraps together.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I mean, you know, jockstraps are essentially like

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Speaker 4: The sports bro Yeah. So if we.

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Speaker 2: Look though at this issue of developing breasts and girls

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Speaker 2: Also argue, and I'll get into this a little bit more,

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Speaker 2: For me it wasn't too embarrassing because in ballet you

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Speaker 2: Yah, the breast buds, which I know that's the correct

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Speaker 5: But in this study too, they found that forty six

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Speaker 4: And I wonder, this is something that didn't come up

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Speaker 4: Their single dad. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: they were fine, but they were essentially telling me, and

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Speaker 5: based on my experience as a person with breasts who

445
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 5: identifies as a woman and is alive, I've worn bras

446
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,199
Speaker 5: for a long time, and I know what fits and

447
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 5: feels good, and I know enough to know that you

448
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 5: shouldn't wear a bra that is so tight that it

449
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 5: feels like it's cutting off your blood flow. And these

450
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 5: women at this department store were essentially telling me that

451
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 5: that's what I needed to do. I needed to wear

452
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 5: a bra that was so tight that it was going

453
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 5: to then stretch out and then it would fit. And

454
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 5: I was like, I that's not a thing, but I

455
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 5: am now naked in this dressing room with you, so

456
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 5: I can't tell you that you're full of it. So

457
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 5: they basically said that I needed to wear a bra

458
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 5: that was significantly smaller than the size that I.

459
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 4: Was wearing comfortably on a normal basis.

460
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 2: Smaller cup size are smaller, much smaller band size, and

461
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,679
Speaker 2: much bigger cup size.

462
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 5: I was like, okay, well this is I'm just going

463
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 5: to This isn't right. I won't walk you through my

464
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 5: entire mental process, but I was like, this is this

465
00:25:56,240 --> 00:26:00,080
Speaker 5: is so wrong. And then I went to another store

466
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 5: and was fitted by a nice, elderly woman who essentially

467
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 5: told me that, yes, you're exactly right.

468
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 4: The size that you're marrying.

469
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 5: But it's still good to go through that process of

470
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 5: getting sized and fitted by someone who has been trained,

471
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 5: knows what she's doing, and don't be afraid to get

472
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 5: a second bra opinion.

473
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 2: Well, and even just basics about our breast health and

474
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 2: how our breasts work, and concerns about how our breasts look,

475
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 2: whether it's you know, being shy.

476
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 4: About aerola size or.

477
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 2: A random mole or hair, you know, all of these

478
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 2: things that we have just sanitized from girls' educations because

479
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 2: you know, forty four percent of the girls in that

480
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 2: study too wanted to know specifically about you know, breast

481
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 2: in sports bras as it applies to to exercise, and

482
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 2: women could also use some more support as well. And

483
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 2: again this is something that's been really under study. There's

484
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 2: there are only you know, a couple of studies looking

485
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 2: at this. One of the most recent ones was in

486
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 2: twenty twelve in the British Journal of Sports Medicine.

487
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 4: Which studied London Marathon competitors.

488
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 2: And you might think, huh, well, that's a pretty uniform,

489
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 2: you know, sample population there, but in fact, that encompassed

490
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 2: a range of shapes and sizes, including fifty six different

491
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 2: bra sizes from double as to double h's, and band

492
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:32,959
Speaker 2: sizes from twenty to forty inches. So the methodology is sound,

493
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 2: and they found that more than a third of those

494
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 2: women reported breast soreness. But the correlation between breast soreness

495
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 2: and exercise is not.

496
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 4: So clear cut, because hello.

497
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 2: You know what makes our breaststore our menstrual cycles, and.

498
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 4: That is something I can attest to.

499
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, So, like before I had an IUD, I never

500
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 5: got breast soreness. Ever, I really never had PMS before

501
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 5: I had an IUD.

502
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 4: And suddenly I'm, you know.

503
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 5: Like a thirty two year old woman breaking out and

504
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 5: crampy and also like wanting to murder other drivers on

505
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 5: the road, and my boobs hurt. And it's crazy because

506
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 5: my boobs get so big right before my period and

507
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 5: they hurt, and I'm like, oh, it's coming because period

508
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 5: related breath soreness.

509
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 4: The struggle is real.

510
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 2: The struggle is real, and I've had days when they're

511
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 2: just like so sore that. Yeah, I'm like, okay, it's

512
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 2: gonna be a yoga day. We are not going to

513
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 2: go jogging. Why I'm referring to myself in the Royal wey,

514
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 2: I don't know.

515
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 5: Well, no, you're encompassing all three of you. Oh yes,

516
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 5: me and uh Lucinda and Lucille.

517
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 2: Well, I was trying to think of, you know, some

518
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 2: rad ladies maybe like me and Glorious Steinem and Flow Kennedy.

519
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 4: It's my my little triumvirate.

520
00:28:55,560 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 2: And that London Marathon study though, found that in fact, my.

521
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 4: Breastworness is real. Even acups gets sore.

522
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 2: Twenty five percent of ACUP women in the study reported soreness.

523
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 4: And having a baby.

524
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 2: Can influence this because, as we talked about in our

525
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 2: last episode on the science of saggy breast pregnancy, structurally

526
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 2: like changes our boobs.

527
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, hormones don't discriminate. No, it doesn't matter what size

528
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 5: your boob is. Your hormone is probably gonna make it hurt.

529
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 5: Your singular hormone.

530
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 4: I don't know why so is one hormone.

531
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 5: But so the result of all of this pain, this discomfort,

532
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 5: the self consciousness, well, you've got a lot of women

533
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 5: in this study who ended up training less intensely or

534
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 5: skipping training altogether.

535
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 2: And we're gonna get to this in just a little bit,

536
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 2: but do not be disheartened because there is a surprisingly

537
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 2: effective remedy for a lot of that pain, and that's

538
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 2: called a well fitting sports huh.

539
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

540
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 2: But more on that and just a little bit, because

541
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 2: there was a more recent study from April twenty fifteen that,

542
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 2: like the British study, which was actually I think inspired

543
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 2: by this study, looked at the correlations between women's breast

544
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 2: size and exercise participation and it found that seventeen percent

545
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 2: of women avoid exercise for boob related reasons, specifically lack

546
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 2: of a comfortable support of sports bra.

547
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 4: And here we go again.

548
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 2: Bounce embarrassment, Yes, excessive bounce.

549
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I know because people are already staring at

550
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 5: boobs all the time, and if they are then boobs

551
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,239
Speaker 5: in motion, people are going to be like, even if

552
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 5: it's not literally to augly you in a sexual way,

553
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 5: if it's just like, oh, look at those boobs bouncing,

554
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 5: you know, you get tired of drawing attention to your boobs.

555
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 4: And listen, not.

556
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 2: To get too TMI about it, but we've already talked

557
00:30:58,320 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 2: a lot about our own breasts.

558
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 4: I'll go ahead, not another fact of my boobs.

559
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 2: An exercise obviously, the excessive bounce thing not so much

560
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 2: an issue for me, but one reason why I am

561
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 2: hesitant to go jogging, especially on a busy thoroughfare and

562
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 2: just a sports bra without a shirt tank top over

563
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 2: it is.

564
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 4: Because of nipples.

565
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 2: The all if like if nibbles are visible, like at all,

566
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 2: you know, the if the old headlights turn on, because

567
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 2: that just happens, you will get looks. And yeah, I mean,

568
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 2: of course, it's just like a thing, you know. I'm

569
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 2: sure people's eyes are just kind of.

570
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 4: Naturally drawn to it.

571
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 2: But I have felt so self conscious before jogging and realizing,

572
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 2: you know, in just a sports bra and initially being like, yes,

573
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 2: I'm running in just a sports bra and embracing my body,

574
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 2: no big deal. Oh got my nibbles really on parade?

575
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 5: Well, I mean that's I The sportsra that I had,

576
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 5: like my main sports bra, squeezes the life out of me.

577
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 5: And part of that is that it flattens, not only

578
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 5: flattens my boots to my chest so much, but it

579
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 5: also flattens and camouflage is the nips as well.

580
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna have a couple follow up questions for you,

581
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,719
Speaker 2: okay about that when we get to our sports brah section,

582
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 2: because the whole flattening thing is pertinent.

583
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:31,719
Speaker 5: Like like pert yes, breast like breast pertinent to your breasts.

584
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 4: But in that.

585
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 2: April twenty fifteen study on exercise and women's breast size,

586
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 2: one major factor that correlated to higher exercise rates was

587
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 2: not smaller breasts, but rather higher rates of breast health knowledge. Yes,

588
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 2: be empowered educated, broad ducation of knowing about sports bra fits,

589
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 2: knowing what should feel okay, and knowing that if we

590
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 2: experience pain or soreness, it is not necessarily because exercise

591
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 2: is bad for our boobs. But one thing that didn't

592
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 2: come up in either of these studies we've talked about

593
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,239
Speaker 2: that came to mind as I was reading this was

594
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 2: what about boob sweat? Yeah, because maybe there's an embarrassment

595
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,719
Speaker 2: factor around that. Although honestly, when I sweat a lot

596
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 2: during when I'm exercising, I'm kind of proud of like

597
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 2: all my sweat a little bit, But if you have

598
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 2: larger breasts, boob sweat can be also a source of discomfort.

599
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, because not only is there again the risk

600
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 5: of being oggled because like you got a sweaty chest,

601
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 5: or possible discomfort because it's slipping and sliding down there,

602
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 5: but also like for bigger chests, bigger breasts, you can

603
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 5: potentially develop like a skin condition if you don't dry off,

604
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 5: if you don't have a sports bra or a shirt

605
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 5: that has wicking properties to get all of that moisture

606
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 5: away from your skin.

607
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, breathability is an important thing to look for in

608
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 2: sports bras because that underboob sweat, which apparently some people

609
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 2: call swoob, can lead to chafing, possible rashes, and even

610
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 2: yeast infections if that moisture hangs around long enough.

611
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 4: And I became.

612
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 2: Aware of this a couple of years ago when a

613
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 2: breast anti persperant came out on the market and immediately

614
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 2: sites like Jezebel.

615
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 4: Jumped on it.

616
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,720
Speaker 2: And we're like, oh, here we go again, just pathologizing

617
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 2: something else. We really need anti perspirant for our boobs now,

618
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 2: this is ridiculous. Although I will say the brand name

619
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 2: bust dust is fantastic.

620
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 4: Baby powder can also work.

621
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 2: And finally, some larger breasted feminists on the internet.

622
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 4: Said, hey, skews. I see what you mean there, But

623
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 4: for large arbrested women this is thing.

624
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, better to wear boob deodorant or boob

625
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,479
Speaker 5: powder than having to go to the dermatologist and getting

626
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 5: an anti fungal topical cream.

627
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 4: You know, I mean, thank god that exists.

628
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 5: But wouldn't you rather just wear boob powder than having

629
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 5: to go go to the dermatologists because you have a

630
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 5: boob east infection?

631
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean and all. And that short sightedness to me,

632
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 2: yet again, goes.

633
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 4: Around to our lack of producation. I'm going to keep

634
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 4: saying it. Should I just trademark it? I think so

635
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 4: kind of like c literacy, you need some producation.

636
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 2: Yes, but what happens when boobs go pro We're going

637
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 2: to talk about that when we come right back from

638
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 2: a quick break.

639
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 4: And now back to the show.

640
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 2: So, like said at the top of the podcast, Caroline,

641
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 2: with your example of women's golfing, breasts can literally get

642
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 2: in the way of competitive sports.

643
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 5: Well yeah, and I mean if just look at mythology,

644
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 5: if you talk about the Amazons, According to Amazon myth

645
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 5: they just totally lopped off a whole boob so that

646
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 5: they could be more effective with their archery, and there are.

647
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 2: A lot of professional or elite athletes who have undergone

648
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 2: breast reductions in an attempt to improve their athletic performance,

649
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 2: although we should note that there is no study corroborating

650
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 2: that that will reliably improve your game or your time whatever.

651
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 4: Are we surprised? I mean there's been like all of

652
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 4: like three.

653
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 5: Boob sports studies, sports boobs sports sports boobs studies.

654
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well, and also I think there you know,

655
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 2: we just don't we just don't understand still, like how

656
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 2: women's bodies work had to toe all that well. But

657
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 2: in competitive sports such as golfing obviously, archery, hurdlers, gymnasts,

658
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 2: tennis players, anything where you have a swing, water polo

659
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 2: players apparently like keeping your boobs in the water.

660
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 4: How many times have you jumped into.

661
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 2: A body of water, whether it is a pool or

662
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 2: lake or something and that top just flies right off.

663
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Speaker 4: I know that they're in one pieces, but boobs, there's

664
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Speaker 4: the risk of them trying to escape from the top. Yes, yes,

665
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 4: which happens.

666
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 2: And even Ronda Rousey mma fighter in the sports bras

667
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 2: you know that the fighters will wear has had to

668
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 2: contend with potential nip slips.

669
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, because wasn't it her first professional UFC fight that

670
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 5: her opponent was like on her back trying to essentially

671
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 5: break her neck, and so she was worried about like, well, okay,

672
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 5: I've got to survive, but also my sports bra is

673
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 5: slipping dangerously lower and lower and lower. So she fighting

674
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 5: this woman with one hand and fighting with her.

675
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 4: Sports bra with the other basically.

676
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 5: But if her if she had experienced a sports bra

677
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 5: malfunction during that fight, it certainly would not have been

678
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 5: the first boob to.

679
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:16,760
Speaker 4: Be out at a sporting event.

680
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 2: Yes, So Amanda Hess noted this in a piece she

681
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 2: wrote over at ESPN Magazine, which I was so thrilled

682
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 2: to see when it came out a couple years ago,

683
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 2: because I was like, yes, sports boobs, Hello, No one's

684
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 2: talking about that. She's sited this incident in nineteen ninety seven,

685
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 2: when then eighteen year old Ritrean runner Nebuat hobbed to

686
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 2: marry him had to run the majority of a five

687
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 2: k meter qualifying heat with her boob out because she

688
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,399
Speaker 2: I don't know if she like left her sports bra

689
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 2: at home or what, but she had to borrow one.

690
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 4: No, no, just a camul.

691
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 5: She borrowed a singlet, Oh my god, and didn't have

692
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 5: a sports bra under it.

693
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 2: Oh and so she started running and immediately and her

694
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 2: boobs started running away too.

695
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 4: Yeah.

696
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 5: Well, because, as we've discussed in the first part of

697
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 5: this episode, your boobs are on the move majorly.

698
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, and hes noted in the article that understandably this

699
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 2: athlete like didn't leave her apartment for a week.

700
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 4: She was just mortified.

701
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 2: Yeah again, thank god Twitter didn't exist.

702
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, oh big time. But you know you mentioned

703
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 5: that there's no real study to corroborate claims that smaller

704
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 5: breasts or no breasts uh helps your game, but plenty

705
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 5: of women have pursued this route. In two thousand and nine,

706
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 5: Romanian tennastar Simona Hollop got a breast reduction to help

707
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 5: improve her play, and her play actually did improve. She

708
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 5: was a thirty four double D at the time before

709
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 5: her reduction, But there was a petition that a bunch

710
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 5: of guys circulated like asking her to not have the surgery.

711
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,720
Speaker 4: And there you go, there's the aggling factor.

712
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 2: Thanks for nothing, because boob bounce embarrassment roots back to

713
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 2: that kind of nonsense.

714
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, but the next year you have Australian hurdler Janna Rowlinson,

715
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 5: who announced that she was going to get her breast

716
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 5: implants removed to try to improve her chances of making

717
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 5: it to the twenty twelve Olympics. She actually didn't make

718
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 5: it because of a foot injury, not because of.

719
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 4: Boobs or no boobs.

720
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 2: And even though like we said, there isn't any firm

721
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 2: data on this, plastic surgeons such as doctor ed Domanankis,

722
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 2: who was speaking to the Orange County Register, assume that

723
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 2: breast implants and larger breasts are a negative in sports

724
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:54,280
Speaker 2: like golf, tennis and track, although the doctor said except

725
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 2: in boxing, they might help because they would quote soften

726
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 2: the blow, to which I was like, okay, this man

727
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 2: has never been punch of the boobs. We talked about

728
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 2: this in our last episode we did, and some people,

729
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 2: speaking of MMA and Ronda Rowsey, some have suggested that

730
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 2: chest strikes aka boob punches should be banned in women's

731
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 2: UFC fighting, but Rowsey's like, what, no, no, you just

732
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:21,959
Speaker 2: protect your chest.

733
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 5: Well, there was an entire Reddit thread where somebody was

734
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 5: trying to figure out how badly getting punched in the

735
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 5: boob does hurt, and it was so fascinating to me

736
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 5: to look at the responses because so many women were like, Oh,

737
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 5: it's the worst, I will have to lie down on

738
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 5: the ground to recover, and other women were like, no,

739
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 5: it doesn't hurt at all.

740
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 4: To me, A boob hit really hurts.

741
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, a boob hit when you are like on

742
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 2: the verge of a period.

743
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 5: Oh, don't even I can't even like, I can't even

744
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 5: touch them.

745
00:41:54,960 --> 00:42:01,240
Speaker 2: There are so many Yahoo answers type Google results asking.

746
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 4: Whether getting punched in the breast or.

747
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 2: The testicles hurts more, to which I'm like, Internet finds

748
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 2: something better to do with your time.

749
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 4: It doesn't matter.

750
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 5: Yeah I don't, yeah exactly, But okay, So back to

751
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 5: boxing though, and punching everybody in their boobs in the ring.

752
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 4: In two thousand and.

753
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 5: Nine, British amateur boxer Sarah Bluden was not allowed to

754
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 5: compete in the UK's Amateur Boxing Association events because of

755
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 5: her breast implants.

756
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and their defense was saying that it was because

757
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 2: of risk to breast tissue, but plastic surgeons that the

758
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 2: Orange County Register and reporting on this talk to disagreed,

759
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 2: saying that our breasts take more of a beating so

760
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 2: to speak, and just day to day life than her

761
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 2: implants would And Bluden said, they're gel implants and so

762
00:42:56,080 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 2: it's not like they could possibly rupture that was I mean,

763
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 2: that's just something you would rarely see of an athlete

764
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 2: intentionally enlarging her breasts.

765
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I would also imagine too that this is

766
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 4: a factor for beach volleyball.

767
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 2: Where you know, I mean, the Olympics is happening as

768
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 2: we are recording this podcast, and you know, a lot

769
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 2: of uniforms are essentially like sports bras and briefs, and

770
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,479
Speaker 2: that is one of the reasons why it's a really

771
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 2: popular sport for a male audience.

772
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 5: Oh have you seen the meme circulating about beach volleyball.

773
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 5: It's showing a woman in she's got a hit job

774
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 5: and she's completely covered. She's on one side of the

775
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 5: volleyball net, and then there's I don't know if she's

776
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 5: American or Australian on the other side in her what

777
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 5: is basically bikini but sports bra and briefs.

778
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 4: And they were like.

779
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 5: Now, tell us that one country isn't more empowered than

780
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 5: the other, meaning that like, look at this white woman

781
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 5: in her bikini. She's clearly, so much more free to

782
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 5: live life the way she wants to.

783
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 4: Oh, I thought it was the reverse, where.

784
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 5: No, it was the white guy was like, see, America

785
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 5: is more free, and basically the entire Internet jumped on

786
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 5: this guy like are you serious?

787
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, because what I saw was women are wearing he

788
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 2: jobs for personal choice, whereas that uniform is required.

789
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:23,959
Speaker 4: So which is more free?

790
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 2: Also, again, Internet finds something better to do with your

791
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 2: time for serious such as learning about sports broad technology.

792
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's more productive.

793
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 2: Here's the thing we need, and I mean this seriously.

794
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 2: We need better sports broad technology. It is sorely emphasis

795
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 2: on sorely needed. And this was something that Nicola Brown,

796
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 2: who was the lead author of that London Marathon study,

797
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 2: was saying to the New York Times. I mean she

798
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 2: was saying like, this is just like a matter of

799
00:44:56,200 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 2: basic wellness for women. There are not adequate sports bras

800
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,280
Speaker 2: that are affordable. I mean, you can get a really

801
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 2: high tech, super duper sports bra, but it's going to

802
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 2: cost you upwards of sixty to eighty dollars.

803
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, if not more. I mean there was a great

804
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 4: was it on BuzzFeed?

805
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, they sent differently shaped women to try on the

806
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 5: same sports bras to see how they all worked with

807
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 5: different bodies, And I think two of the women chose

808
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 5: the same bra, but then the other two chose different

809
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 5: ones because just because this one bra is supposed to

810
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 5: be so great doesn't mean it's gonna work for your

811
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 5: body type. But often the ones that are more supportive

812
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 5: do tend to be more outrageously expensive.

813
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, for all of them, the worst performing was the

814
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 2: cheapest Hayes sports bra, Yeah, which was a bomber, you know,

815
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 2: because a lot of times my sports bra shopping involves

816
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 2: just like walking into target, grabbing what I see and

817
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 2: then buying some housewares that I don't need.

818
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 5: Well, of course that is my struggle as well life.

819
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 5: But the thing though about sports bras is you're supposed

820
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 5: to replace them so often, like a toothbrush, and so

821
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:08,720
Speaker 5: I don't.

822
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 4: I don't because they're so expensive.

823
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't realize that I basically need to get

824
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 2: rid of all but two of my sports bras. But

825
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 2: the thing is, though sports bras make a massive difference

826
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,280
Speaker 2: in terms of that breast soreness issue.

827
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:24,919
Speaker 4: This is the fact that.

828
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 2: I was teasing to earlier, where Nicola Brown that researchers

829
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 2: said that their right fitting sports bra can reduce breast

830
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 2: discomfort regardless of your breast size in around eighty five

831
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 2: percent of women who experience it. I mean, that's a

832
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 2: pretty powerful sports bra right there, But it's just a

833
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 2: matter of.

834
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:46,439
Speaker 4: Getting the right fit.

835
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,879
Speaker 2: I would argue that a right fitting sports bra is

836
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 2: even more important than a right fitting bra or bra.

837
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 5: Oh, although I am more likely to cry trying on

838
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 5: sports bras than regular bras because if you want a

839
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 5: very supportive sports bra, it's probably going to be very restrictive,

840
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 5: so trying to get in and out of them. Do

841
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 5: you know how hard it is to try to squeeze

842
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 5: into a sports bra only to find out that it's

843
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 5: either too big or too small, and then trying to

844
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 5: pull it off and you like dislocate your shoulder and

845
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 5: then you're crying at Nike and you realize your blood

846
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 5: sugars crashed.

847
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 2: I mean, that's why you get the ones with the backclasps.

848
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, that'd be helpful.

849
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, those do exist, but again those are going to

850
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 2: be your pricier bras. And in the same way as

851
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 2: we talked about with the science of breast sag in

852
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 2: our last podcast, I mean the fact of the matter

853
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,879
Speaker 2: is like, we're just late to the game on all

854
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 2: of this. We didn't start studying breast biomechanics until the

855
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 2: nineteen nineties, probably because you finally had more women in

856
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,760
Speaker 2: the field being like, hey, here is something that directly

857
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 2: applies to my life and we should study. But also,

858
00:47:56,120 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 2: breasts are just really hard to study like this because

859
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 2: they're so varied. Yeah, and it's hard to replicate the

860
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 2: a representative breast population in motion, you know what I mean,

861
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 2: because it's like you would how.

862
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 4: Do you reward that?

863
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 5: Well, right, not obviously not all breasts are the same

864
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 5: size and shape, but obviously not everybody is literally only running.

865
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 4: On a treadmill, you know.

866
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 5: There's like, obviously so many different types of activity even

867
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 5: just walking around day to day that you would need

868
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 5: a different type of sports bra for.

869
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 2: But the big thing that I learned in terms of

870
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 2: sports broad technology is that originally they were just all

871
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 2: about compression, smush them down, keep them in, and those

872
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:44,240
Speaker 2: are the basic like uniboob style sports bras were probably

873
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 2: the most familiar with. But now companies like a Brooks

874
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 2: or a Nike are looking at how to isolate specific

875
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 2: movement areas.

876
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 5: I thought you were going to say how to isolate specific.

877
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:03,800
Speaker 2: Boobs, specific boob boob mint areas because of that figure

878
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 2: eight motion, you know, And man, I.

879
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 4: Want to be like, I want to go to that lab.

880
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 2: I want to go to that sports bra lab so

881
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 2: bad if anyone listening can hook me up with some

882
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 2: sports bra research.

883
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 5: But that just kind of thinking about boob art, like

884
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Speaker 5: what if you paint your nipples and then run in

885
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 5: front of a canvas, Like would you get some cool

886
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 5: figure eights going?

887
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 2: There's only one way to find out, I know, talk

888
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 2: about the best like pinterest craft.

889
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 5: I'm sure it's been done.

890
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 2: But in the meantime until our perfect, magical affordable sports

891
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 2: bra that I argue should be like government subsidized for

892
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 2: low income people with breasts, whatever your gender identity is.

893
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 2: There are some tips for things that you can do

894
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 2: to alleviate some of that pain. Specifically, if you have

895
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Speaker 2: larger breasts, look for encapsulation style sports bras rather than

896
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 2: the a boob style because those encapsulation style sports bras

897
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,879
Speaker 2: are the ones that have separate cups. And right now

898
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:11,839
Speaker 2: in the studio, I am making a cup gesture At Carolina.

899
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,800
Speaker 4: We're of like the Lady Gaga monster hands.

900
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 2: Honestly, it feels a little aggressive because I'm doing it

901
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:18,320
Speaker 2: at you.

902
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 4: Keep those away from me.

903
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 2: But those encapsulation styles are are way more effective at

904
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 2: controlling movement. And that was something that was corroborated in

905
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 2: that BuzzFeed experiment trying to find the perfect bra, where

906
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 2: the two women with the largest breasts were like, oh

907
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 2: my god, I had no idea. As soon as they

908
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 2: put on an encapsulation style bra, it was a whole

909
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Speaker 2: new world.

910
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Speaker 5: And also, the focus doesn't need to be so much

911
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 5: on whether you have underwire or whether you.

912
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Speaker 4: Have adjustable straps on your sports.

913
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 5: Bra, because eighty percent of your bra support actually comes

914
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Speaker 5: from the band around your ribs, which I can adjust

915
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Speaker 5: to with.

916
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Speaker 4: My sports bra.

917
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 5: That made me cry in the Nike dressing room.

918
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:06,399
Speaker 2: But underwire and adjustable straps those like clippy things. If

919
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 2: you have a larger frame, those are going to dig

920
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 2: into your skin, So avoid that well.

921
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 5: Especially yeah, especially if you're doing some type of lengthy exercise,

922
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 5: like if you're gonna go running for hours, that can

923
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 5: eventually really make you hate life. Also just running for

924
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 5: hours plural hour, like I don't know, maybe you're doing

925
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 5: an iron man. Maybe so an iron woman, an iron ironman,

926
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 5: iron man.

927
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 2: Again, the back clasps can make life a lot.

928
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 4: Easier, so can front clasp. Oh yes, the front clasp.

929
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 5: Although, but then that would make it harder if you

930
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,720
Speaker 5: do have the what did you call it, encapsulated style,

931
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,399
Speaker 5: because you need if you've got that style, you need

932
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,720
Speaker 5: the front and center of the broad to be resting

933
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Speaker 5: on your breastbone and the band to be sitting comfortably.

934
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 5: So the front clasps might interfere with that. Just all

935
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 5: the more important to maybe talk to somebody who knows

936
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Speaker 5: who has a better broad education.

937
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 4: Also, look for breathe ability.

938
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 2: Yes, that's a big factor for reducing potential chafe.

939
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 4: And those super strappy.

940
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 2: Lululemon bras that are really cute might not work the

941
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 2: best support wise.

942
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, like maybe maybe if you're gonna like go do

943
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 5: yoga or some low impact thing where you just want

944
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 5: to wear sports bra but you don't care about bouncing

945
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 5: or support.

946
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 4: All that much. Maybe yeah.

947
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Speaker 2: I mean, the two of the girls in the BuzzFeed

948
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Speaker 2: piece chose the Lululemon bra. One of them was smaller chested,

949
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Speaker 2: but the other girl who chose them I think was

950
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Speaker 2: a C Cup. So I mean Lula Limon bras will

951
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Speaker 2: cost you a fortune, but I mean they are very

952
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 2: well made. But again those the multi strappy, multiple straps

953
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 2: don't equal multiple support because again it's all about that

954
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 2: waist band or the chest band.

955
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Speaker 4: Excuse me, Hey, maybe you've got a waist band on

956
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:01,399
Speaker 4: your bra. I don't know. Yeah, how high on your

957
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 4: girdle bra?

958
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 5: And again, you know you're probably gonna have to to

959
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 5: replace the more often the way that you would your

960
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 5: tennis shoes. You know, if you're out there running every

961
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 5: single day, for instance, you're gonna have to replace your

962
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 5: tennis shoes or you're running shoes more often than someone

963
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 5: like me who doesn't run, but who used to.

964
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Speaker 4: All right, stop judging. It's the same with your sports bras.

965
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 5: They're with all of that supporting and the stretching and

966
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:30,919
Speaker 5: everything that's happening, and washing them regularly. I hope they're

967
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 5: eventually gonna get worn down.

968
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Speaker 2: They are, and I think the biggest thing that I

969
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 2: would advocate and also listeners, I would love some tips.

970
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Speaker 4: On how to better do this.

971
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 2: But we need to do such a better and more

972
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 2: vigilant job of just normalizing breast development. For girls because obviously,

973
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 2: like we need better sports bras. Yes, but you know

974
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 2: the fact that for girls and women alike, that embarrassment

975
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 2: factor plays such a prominent role in determining whether we

976
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 2: do or don't exercise for health's sake. This is not

977
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 2: about staying then, this is about being healthy.

978
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:12,280
Speaker 5: What did Sissy SpaceX mother call them and Carrie dirty pillows?

979
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 5: We need to get away from the mentality that what

980
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 5: is on your chest as you're developing through puberty are

981
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,399
Speaker 5: dirty and somehow embarrassing and shameful because it's just part

982
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 5: of your body. So the more that we can understand

983
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 5: about our anatomy and our development, what's healthy, what's unhealthy,

984
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 5: the better for all of us, and hopefully the fewer

985
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 5: popular girls who will approach girls like me and for

986
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 5: some reason shame them about needing to wear bra very

987
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 5: bizarre to.

988
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 2: Me, bra shaming because that was something I thought that

989
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:42,479
Speaker 2: would be like a.

990
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 4: Badge of pride, like who got their period first. I

991
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 4: don't know, I don't know.

992
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 5: We can't all live in a Judy Bloom book.

993
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 4: It's true, it's true.

994
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 2: And when it comes to roeducation, boys need it too,

995
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 2: in the sense of raising boys to treat and look

996
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 2: at girls as humans rather than sex objects, and for

997
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 2: them too to just understand like basic female development, you know,

998
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:11,720
Speaker 2: destigmatize all of this stuff.

999
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 3: It's healthy for every body.

1000
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Speaker 2: So with that, listeners, we want to hear all of

1001
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,760
Speaker 2: your thoughts. I know we have a lot of people

1002
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 2: who exercise, whether with organized sports or casually work out

1003
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 2: in our audience. I know a lot of people are

1004
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 2: probably listening to this podcast while they are jogging or

1005
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 2: at the gym, and I'm so curious to know whether

1006
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 2: this rings true for you and any tips that you

1007
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 2: can offer, any sports bras that you can recommend, send

1008
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 2: it all our way. Mom Stuff at HowStuffWorks dot com

1009
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 2: is our email address. You can also tweet us at

1010
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 2: mom Stuff podcast or messages on Facebook, and we've got

1011
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 2: a couple of messages to share with you right now.

1012
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,919
Speaker 5: So I have a letter here from Eleanor about our

1013
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 5: two parter talking to Terry O'Neill, the president of the

1014
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 5: National Organization for Women. Eleanor writes, OMG, your latest podcast

1015
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 5: interviewing Terry O'Neil had me crying tears of joy.

1016
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 4: I loved hearing her.

1017
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 5: Talk about the support of black women on Twitter and

1018
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:34,399
Speaker 5: lgbt QIA people. It made me so proud of all

1019
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 5: of our trailblazers and filled me with feminist pride.

1020
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 4: I've only thought of NOW.

1021
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 5: As a pretty chill organization, but it had some problematic history.

1022
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 4: But I'm so glad you.

1023
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 5: Guys taught me about their intersectionality. Plus, I really enjoyed

1024
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 5: the mentions about how NOW wanted women to stay angry.

1025
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 5: It inspired me to find my anger and go march and.

1026
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 4: Picket and protest in the streets.

1027
00:56:56,719 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 5: Let's get the era passed, y'all. Let's go angry feminists.

1028
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 5: Thanks for your fantastic podcast, Eleanor, and she says, ps,

1029
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 5: screw Judge Aaron Persky.

1030
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Judge Persky is the one who made the

1031
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 2: decision in both Stanford rape case to essentially about a

1032
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:16,439
Speaker 2: rapist off.

1033
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 4: I have just the most touching.

1034
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 2: Letter from Catherine, who writes when I turned twenty, I

1035
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 2: dropped out of college. I'd been major hopping for two

1036
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 2: and a half years and realized I had to decide

1037
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 2: what to do with my life in order to justify

1038
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 2: taking out more student loans. I spent the next two

1039
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 2: years working a dead end job and a manufacturing plant.

1040
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 2: Typically spending three days a week on the production floor

1041
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 2: and two days a week doing custodial work. I want

1042
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 2: to go on record as saying that factory workers are

1043
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 2: some of the hardest working and kindest people in the world,

1044
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 2: and our entire society would crumble without them.

1045
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 4: Here here, however, I hated my job.

1046
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 2: I actually looked forward to my cleaning days because scrubbing

1047
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 2: toilets meant I was allowed to listen to my iPod.

1048
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 2: So fast forward to Catherine's discovery of stuff Mom never

1049
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 2: told you, and she says, one day I heard the

1050
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 2: first Sminty episode about librarians, and the one she's referencing

1051
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 2: folks was I think from two thousand and nine or

1052
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 2: ten years ago, she says. I ended up spending the

1053
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 2: last hour and a half of the day hidden in

1054
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 2: the cleaning supply closet, perched on an upturned five gallon bucket,

1055
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 2: googling how to become.

1056
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 4: A librarian on my phone.

1057
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 2: I had achieved step one to a happy life, figure

1058
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 2: out what you want. It was time for step two,

1059
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 2: figure out what you have to do to get it.

1060
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 2: I discovered that in order to become a librarian and

1061
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 2: run my own library, someday I needed to go to

1062
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 2: grad school, which meant going back and getting my bachelor's,

1063
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Speaker 2: which was somewhat intimidating. Within a few weeks, I'd applied

1064
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 2: to two schools, one that offered a BA in Women's

1065
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 2: and Gender studies and a community college as a safety school.

1066
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 4: To boost my GPA.

1067
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 2: My essay and letters of recommendation must have been convincing,

1068
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 2: because I was accepted and I majored in women in

1069
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Speaker 2: Gender Studies. And for a school in a state that's

1070
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 2: around ninety percent.

1071
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 4: White, we had an amazingly intersectional program.

1072
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 2: More than half of the WSG professors I had were

1073
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 2: women of color. Three of my favorite professors are immigrants,

1074
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 2: and I had at least as many queer professors as straight.

1075
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 2: Instead of listening to Sminty while scrubbing toilets, I was

1076
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 2: listening during my commute to school, and Spinty episode topics

1077
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 2: and fun facts made it into my papers and classroom

1078
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 2: discussions on a regular basis.

1079
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 4: This past May, I graduated as.

1080
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 2: A member of our WSG honor society, Iota Iota Iota,

1081
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 2: and finished my undergrad with a three point four GPA.

1082
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 2: I'm the first of my immediate family to finish college.

1083
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 2: In a couple of months, I'm heading to the University

1084
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 2: of Denver, my first choice grad school, where I will

1085
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 2: be getting my master's in Library and Information Sciences. I'm

1086
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 2: currently on the longest step to a happy life, Step three,

1087
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 2: do the work. Even though the original Librarian episode was

1088
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 2: before Caroline's time, I thought it was important that I

1089
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 2: share my store with you wonderful ladies. One episode of

1090
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 2: this podcast sparked an epiphany that completely altered the trajectory

1091
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 2: of my life. I highly doubt I'm the only one

1092
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 2: out there who has had this type of experience on

1093
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 2: behalf of all of us who have had their lives

1094
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 2: changed by this podcast. I want to say thank you

1095
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:18,919
Speaker 2: so freaking much, even though we've never met.

1096
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 4: I love you both to the moon and back.

1097
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 6: Well.

1098
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 4: Kat.

1099
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Speaker 2: First of all, congratulations, Second of all, you are a badass.

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Speaker 2: And third, thank you for one of the best letters

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