1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A beautiful young mom goes 2 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: missing on Mother's Day. Coincidentally, on Sunday that Mother's Day, 3 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: her husband Barry Morphey, claims he's got to be out 4 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: of town on a work trip, that nobody seemingly knew 5 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: about it at the time, and then wouldn't you know 6 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 1: that one day of all days that she goes by king, 7 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: she also goes missing. In the last hours, homicide charges 8 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: against her husband, Barry Morphew have been dropped. Repeat charges 9 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: against Susanne Morphew's husband, Barry Morphew have been dropped. I'm 10 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being 11 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: with us here at Fox Nation and Serious x M 12 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: one eleven before I introduced to you an all star 13 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 1: panel to make sense of what we know. Right now, 14 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 1: take a listen to our France at KUSA nine. The 15 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: charges against Barrymorephe were dismissed this morning without prejudice. That 16 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 1: means that new charges could be brought in the coming 17 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: future if new evidence is found. Now. Prosecutors revealed this 18 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: morning that they believe that they say they are close 19 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: to finding Susanne Morphew's missing body after two years of searching. 20 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 1: The district attorney on the case said that they believe 21 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: that her body is buried somewhere underneath five feet of 22 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: snow in the mountains above the Morphew home, though she 23 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: provided no evidence as to why that might be true. Now, 24 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: Barrymorephe walked out of court about an hour ago. The 25 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: GPS tracker is gone and he has his passport back. 26 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: He was surrounded by his two daughters, who have been 27 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: with him at every court date he's had. Did you 28 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: hear what they just said? Akusa? Before I get to 29 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: the whole panel, let me first go to Lauren Sharks 30 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: joining me, fuck twenty one news reporter on this case 31 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:10,119 Speaker 1: from the beginning. Lauren, let me digress. You and I 32 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: were right there where prosecutors are now saying they think 33 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: they know where Susanne Morphew's body is hidden. We were 34 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 1: right there, and remember you and I we had this 35 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 1: eerie feeling because you showed me where the Morphew home was. 36 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: This a mansion is huge. We were looking down at 37 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: it and I said, now, wait, where is he living 38 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 1: right now? And he pointed right at the street and 39 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: he said, I think he's right there. It's right up 40 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: the street, if you can call it a street. It's 41 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: kind of like a dirt road. It's in the mountains 42 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: there and Salida and everything has gates. You can't get 43 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 1: into the home. And then you told me that he 44 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: you think we had been living in an airbnb belonging 45 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: to a friend of his, And I thought, that's really 46 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: odd that he wants to live at the see where 47 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: we think his wife was killed, because it's within sight 48 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: really where her bike was found down the ravine. And 49 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: this is the other thing, remember, Lauren Sharf, not one, 50 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: not two, but I think three separate women came up 51 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: and said they were out citizens searching for Suzanne's body, 52 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: and they were all run away by somebody on a 53 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: motorcycle or an ATV that had their face covered with 54 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: a helmet. Somebody is protecting that area. Why would Barry 55 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: Morphew move to that area and refuse to leave? I mean, 56 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: am I remembering it right, Lauren? Yeah? I mean even 57 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: Barry Morphew had told me the reason why they sold 58 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: the house, the Morphew House off of whom A Path 59 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: was because his daughters were scared to live there because 60 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: that was the last place that they um saw their 61 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:06,839 Speaker 1: mother and she possibly could have been abducted around there, 62 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:10,119 Speaker 1: and so that's why they sold the property. And then 63 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: for him to live nearby, and you know an airbnb 64 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 1: that's rented out by a friend is interesting. Um. And 65 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: then now you know, investigators believe that Suzanne's body is 66 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: located just very close by to where the Morpheus used 67 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 1: to live, you know, in a specific location in the mountains, 68 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 1: and they just need time because of the weather to 69 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: excavate that area. Because of snow packed area, they haven't 70 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: been able to do so, and they wanted to do 71 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: that prior to the trial, but because of the weather, 72 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: they say that the area has five feet of snow 73 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: that's covered it. I was in amating at lunchtime. I 74 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 1: ran straight out of the studio went in the meeting. 75 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: When I walked out of the meeting, I glanced down 76 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: at my phone, Lawrence Sharf, and I saw where Jackie 77 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: had texted me. Texted me charge us against Barry Morphew dropped. Well, 78 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:18,239 Speaker 1: you know, I thought I was gonna have a heart attack, 79 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: almost in a backflip right there. Guys, Take a listen 80 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: to our cut one fifty seven our friends at Fox 81 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: thirty one, moments after the judge dismissed the murder case 82 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: against Barry Morphew. He walked out of the courthouse, daughters 83 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 1: by his side. Ferry, is there anything you want to say, 84 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: his attorney, saying Morphew should have never been charged with 85 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: the murder of his wife, Susanne Morphew. Instead, what's her 86 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: a consist is dad. She could have left and or 87 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: she could have been abducted. Any evidence is way stronger 88 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: for both of those possibilities than anything. Far from mister 89 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: Morphew having the ability to murd his assistant's loving wife, 90 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,479 Speaker 1: Miss Morphew disappeared on Mother's Day two years ago from 91 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: her home near Salida and Chaffey County. Her husband arrested 92 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: a year later. In the motion to dismiss the case 93 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: without prejudice, the district attorney rope the ongoing investigation into 94 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 1: the location of the body must be resolved. The public 95 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: seeks an indisputable answer to whether or not Miss Morphew 96 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: is dead. Let me insuce you our AUSTAR panel. First 97 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: of all, Matthew Mangino, lawyer, former elected District attorney in 98 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: Lawrence County, Parole Board member, author of the Executioner's Toll, 99 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: Doctor Jory Crass and psychologist, Faculty Saint Leo University, Research 100 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: consultant and author of Operation s S. Professor Forensics, Jacksonville 101 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 1: State University, author of Blood Beneath My Fate on Amazon 102 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: and Starva New Hit series on iHeart Body Bags with 103 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, and of course you Know with us 104 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: Ash reporter with Fox twenty one Laurence Sharff on this 105 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 1: from the very beginning, Matthew Mangino, does it never end 106 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 1: when a woman goes missing, leaving her children, which to 107 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: me would be the ultimate torture to be away from 108 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: my children. Someone actually fixes their mouth to say, there's 109 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: so much evidence she just left. Really, her ATM hasn't 110 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: been used, no credit card, she hasn't been cited, her 111 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: car has been found. All of her belongings they're there, 112 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: her jewelry is there. There's not one shred, not a 113 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: scintilla of evidence to suggest that Susanne Morphew went away 114 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: with another guy. Who where that is b s Why 115 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:48,679 Speaker 1: do they always say that, Matthew, well, Nancy in this case, 116 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: it's actually the prostitution that's saying it in their motion. 117 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: We just heard it in the clip they're seeking indisputable 118 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: answer as to whether or not Miss Morphew is dead. 119 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: It's not what the defense said. The defense said, what 120 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: there the state's evidence is is that she could have left. 121 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: That's the defense lawyer, Matthew Mangino. That's not the prosecution. 122 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: The prosecution says, we want to find her body, and 123 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: we think we know where it is. They never said 124 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: she left, Matthy, I'm reading right from the motion. This 125 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: is the motion to dismiss without prejudice filed by the 126 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: district attorney. That's their motion, which is so surprising to me, 127 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:37,079 Speaker 1: because you know, this is extraordinary. We're on the eve 128 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 1: of trial. The trialsmen moved to another county. You have 129 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 1: a thousand jurors waiting to be a part of this 130 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: jury pool, and the prosecution is withdrawing the charges. You know, 131 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: the kind to the prosecution taking their ball and going home. 132 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: The case is unraveling, and now you want to withdraw 133 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: the charges and say that you're looking for the body. 134 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: I mean, for two years they couldn't find the body. 135 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: To Laurens Sharf joining us with Fox twenty one, let 136 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: me clarify something and please Lauren, as you always do, 137 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 1: feel free to create me if I'm wrong. Isn't it 138 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: true that the state is stating in black and white 139 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:20,359 Speaker 1: and in open court they believe they know where Susanne 140 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: Morphy's body is. Yeah. In the motion they said that 141 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: they were hopeful that they could get the search and 142 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: the discovery of Susanne's body before the trial was finished, 143 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: but because of whether it complicated their efforts, and so 144 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: that's why they want to put this case on pause 145 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: or a halt to get to hopefully find Susanne's body 146 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: and bring it back to her family at any time. 147 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: Lauren Sharf has the state said they believe Susanne Morphy 148 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: just left with another guy as a matter of fact. 149 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: Isn't it true the state says that finding her body 150 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 1: will disprove such a cockamamee theory. Isn't that what the 151 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: prosecution is saying now? The prosecution says that you know, 152 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: Susanne would have never left her daughters and would have 153 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: never just not told anyone where she was going or 154 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: if she had blest on her own, that's just not 155 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: in her character. I mean to you, Doctor Jorry Crows 156 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: and joining us a psychologist and faculty Saint Leo University 157 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: and author. I could go on, but instead of talking 158 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: about you, let's talk about Susanne Morphew, Doctor Jory. This 159 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: woman had devoted her life to her family, her children. 160 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: I think you would be through hell and high water 161 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 1: that she would have just left our children. And there 162 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: is not a shred of evidence to suggest such a thing. 163 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: The only one suggesting that is a defense. Yeah. You know, 164 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: to predict future behavior, you always have to look at 165 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: past behavior, and she's got a record of being a 166 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: devoted mother and wife. I mean there was that you know, affair, 167 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: But even with her behavior, if she were going to leave, 168 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: she would do it openly. She would go through the 169 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: court system, divorce her husband. I would even say her 170 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: getting a fair settlement worked out and everything. I don't 171 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 1: think she would just disappear. That is not advantageous to 172 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: her or anyone, except it does a matter of fact, 173 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: isn't isn't it? She Laurence Sharp she had told her 174 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: husband she wanted a divorce. Yeah, and a deleted text 175 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: message she said that she was done and that she 176 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: just wanted to do it civilly. There you go, Time 177 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. It's a tough thing to try 178 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: a case without a body. But it's been done sense 179 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 1: of times. It's not the easiest thing in the world, 180 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: but it can be done. You don't give a killer 181 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: a gold star and a free pass just because he 182 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: managed to hide the body. Now, let me understand something. 183 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: Lauren sharfs joining me Fox twenty one and you can 184 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 1: find her at Lauren sharf dot com. That's sca r F. Lauren. 185 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: Cops are actually saying they believe they've located the spot 186 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: where Suzanne's body is, and it is in the mountains. 187 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:33,559 Speaker 1: And I mean, I just hoped you goodbye there a 188 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. There is still a lot of 189 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 1: snow on the ground. This is a very remote area. 190 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: When I was flying in, I looked down, I saw 191 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: nothing but mountains and treetops. There was no cell phone 192 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: connectivity where we were. It's very remote and the snow 193 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:58,079 Speaker 1: banks are very deep. Yeah, I mean where the moreph 194 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: you live. They, I mean they live in the mountains. 195 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: They're surrounded by mountains, very tough terrain. You saw how 196 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: deep it is, and you know that area. Even though 197 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: we're you know, approaching May and the end of April, 198 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: it's still covered with snow up there. And people can 199 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: still go skiing and and and everything. Even though it 200 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: is getting in the higher temperatures of seventy degrees, there's 201 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: still snow up there. Yeah, that's the thing. That snow 202 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: is solid. That's like looking up at a glacier and 203 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: the middle of the summer. It's maybe warmer you are, 204 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: but it's going to take a long time for that 205 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,559 Speaker 1: snow to melt there. They're gonna have to bring into you, 206 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:48,239 Speaker 1: Jesseic Scott Morgan, professor forensic, some type of a specialty 207 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:52,319 Speaker 1: crew to get through the snow. And I'm curious, how 208 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 1: do they know that's where her body is under all 209 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: that snow. I'm just very curious about it. Oh, Jessica, 210 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: let me tell you a weird fight that I learned 211 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: when I went out to Salida to see this scene. 212 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: You know, Joe Scott, I never tried a single case, 213 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 1: not one, not ever that I had not been to 214 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: the scene, and this reminded me why it's so different 215 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: than what you imagine it to be. For instance, where 216 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: her bite went down went down the ravine. You can 217 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: look off and see their home, but it's a long, winding, 218 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: gravel dirt road that goes all the way from the 219 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: house out. It's very hilly. You go down and whoop 220 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: and then boom, there it is. It's not that far 221 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: away where her bite was thrown down the ravine. But 222 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: I'm very curious and I want you to hear this, 223 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: and Lauren Sharf correct me if I'm wrong. But didn't 224 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: people say that One of the reasons they filled to 225 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: tro is because Barry Morphy kept coming back back to 226 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: his old house and digging up bones. He said he 227 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: was looking for some kind of animal skulls in the backyard. 228 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: I haven't heard that. Yeah, sorry, the family that he 229 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: would be digging for bones in the area after he moved. 230 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: I think that's very bizarre. J Scott, let me get 231 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: back to you about getting through that snow bay and 232 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: somehow finding her remains and what would her remains even 233 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: be now. Yeah, you know, I had a couple of 234 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: questions about this because I'm thinking they're talking about the snowpack. 235 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: You know, the fall in Colorado generally begins roughly the 236 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: first part of April, so you've already got some of 237 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: this melting that's taking place. What what kind of gigantic 238 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: piece of information suddenly appeared on the radar after two 239 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: years relative to her remains. That has them go into 240 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: a full stop. I mean they completely reverse engines here. 241 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: As Matt was talking about just a few moments ago. 242 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: You know, they're right on the threshold of going to trial, 243 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: and then suddenly they have this epithanal moment where they 244 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: say they think they know where her body is buried. 245 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: They said buried beneath snow. But I'm wondering if they 246 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: have further detail. Is it buried in the dirt underneath 247 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: the snow. And then you talk about these two desperate 248 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: areas where you have the bike that's down in the ravine, 249 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: and then as you mentioned, you've been there, they're saying, 250 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: up up, up is where the body is, so up 251 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: above this particular area. Who has access to this, who 252 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: had the opportunity, who had the means in order to 253 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: facilitate this? If it's so isolated, how would you get 254 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: the remains up there and then bury them? They're going 255 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: to have to go out there, I think obviously with 256 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: a team of searchers there will probably again involve cadaver dogs. 257 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: Remember they got a false a false hit at the 258 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: house where they thought that they came across the scent 259 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 1: of a body that turned out not to be reality. 260 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: But now they're going to have to go back into 261 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 1: this area after the snow has thawed. And again, this 262 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: for me is poses a huge problem from a forensic standpoint, 263 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: because I honestly, after two years, I don't know what 264 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 1: type of evidence they're going to be able to find 265 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: that's going to demonstrate a specific manner because of death bounce. 266 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: You gotta remember that there's also a lot of minds 267 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 1: in the area, So I'm curious as to you know, 268 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: maybe that's where they're looking or something like, Yeah, that's 269 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: Lauren Sharf jumping in from a fox twenty. Hey, cattle, 270 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: we're not having high tea at winsor Palace, Okay, so 271 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: jump in if you have a thought. So Lauren Sharff, 272 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 1: let me bounce off what Jesscott mortgage you said. Jesscott, 273 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 1: just stop everything could ever dogs can pick up a 274 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,120 Speaker 1: scent of a dead body, even if it's underwater. This 275 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: is a lightning round. So you can just answer yes 276 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: or no. Isn't that true? Joe Scott, Yes, that is true? 277 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: Yes or no. You don't need to expound, Joe Scott Morgan, 278 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: isn't it true that could ever dogs can pick up 279 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: the scent of human remains under snow. Isn't that true? Yes, 280 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: it is true, Joe Scott. Isn't it true that could 281 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 1: ever dogs did hit in multiple places around the time 282 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 1: misusam Marphew's disappearance? Yes? And isn't it also true that 283 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: if they hit on human remain scent at the time 284 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: of her disappearance, it could also indicate her body had 285 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: been there and was moved, does it not? Yes, that 286 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 1: is true. So isn't it within the realm of possibility 287 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:59,360 Speaker 1: that her body had been her dead body had been 288 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: at those okay where cadaver dogs hit and then was 289 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 1: moved to our more remote location. Isn't that possible? It's 290 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: within the realm of possibility, Laurence Sharp. That is a 291 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: theory on which I'm hanging my hat. I think that's 292 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: what happened. Her body was well. Even in the rest 293 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: after David, one of the investigators said that they saw 294 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:27,439 Speaker 1: like a footprint on the Bobcat bucket, but they didn't 295 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 1: take a photograph or or a cast of the bucket, 296 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: but the investment they did note it in their rest 297 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 1: after David that there was a bare footprint like someone there, 298 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: you know, footprint in the bucket of the bobcat. I 299 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: think there was, Matthew Mangina jumping and go ahead, Matthew, Yes, so, Nancy, 300 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: I guess my question is why, now, on the eve 301 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: of trial, is the body so important in this case? 302 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 1: Obviously the prosecution thought that they could prove guilt beyond 303 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 1: the reason used to be the district attorney, right, Matthew 304 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: means you, you know, the elected DA, and you of 305 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 1: all people, are asking why is it somebody important that 306 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: you have the dead body? Really, you would have thought 307 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: I would have thought before I filed the charges in 308 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 1: this case that the body was important. But if I 309 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: thought I thought the body was important, man Gino, but 310 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: they didn't know where it was. And now apparently they 311 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 1: think they've got an idea. Why should they go forward 312 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: the trial if they could have the body? But Nancy, 313 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 1: if I thought I could prove my case beyond a 314 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,679 Speaker 1: reasonable doubt, and therefore I filed charges without a body, 315 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: so I would be confident to go forward without a 316 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: body in this case. To me, the body now seems 317 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: like a ruse because the case is falling apart that 318 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:46,479 Speaker 1: they've been precluded from using witnesses because of uh, you know, 319 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 1: not complying with Brady rules. They have other issues in 320 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: this case that are making their case unravel. So now 321 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: they're looking for a reason to withdraw these charges because 322 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: they don't want to face a jury in a week 323 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: from now with the case that they have. And that's 324 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: that's problematic from the prosecutors standpoint. And to say, well, now, 325 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,880 Speaker 1: to say, and you're pleading now, we think the public 326 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 1: wants to know if Susanne Morphew is dead, if there 327 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 1: is a body, I mean, that's that's crazy. But that's 328 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: where we are in this case. If they have an idea, 329 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: a good idea where the body is you, John right, 330 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: I would postpone the case. And I'm very curious as 331 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: to why they aren't simply postponing instead of dropping unless 332 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: the defense risk fused to postpone. To Lawrence Sharpe joining 333 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: us Fox twenty one, was the defense pushing the case forward? Now, yeah, 334 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:01,120 Speaker 1: Iris Econ you know Barry Morphew's leave it attorney said 335 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: that they were prepared for trial and they wanted to 336 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: get more few acquitted. But previously they had filed for 337 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: motion to get the case dismissed. And you know what 338 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: one of your experts just said. You know, the court 339 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 1: had gotten twelve out of the fourteen of their of 340 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: the prosecutions, you know, expert witnesses to not be able 341 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 1: to testify as experts, and they that said that that 342 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 1: really hurt their evidence, their best evidence to move the 343 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: case forward as well. In the motion to dismiss go ahead, 344 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 1: Jes Scott. Yeah, I gotta tell you the prosecution has 345 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: really stuck their neck out here, I mean, big tim 346 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: and this is why from a forensic standpoint, what they 347 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:57,199 Speaker 1: are saying in the affirmative is that they there's a 348 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:01,640 Speaker 1: high likelihood that they know where her body is. This 349 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: thing is going to really stink badly if they get 350 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: up there. And if you don't. I if there's nobody 351 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: watching this case prior to this, and we know that 352 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 1: there has been tremendous national attention, I guarantee you all 353 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: eyes are going to be on this now because they're 354 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: going to be having their their feet held through the 355 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: fire and people are gonna say, well, when are you 356 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 1: going out there? When are you going out there? There's 357 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: gonna be news trucks showing up everywhere. They're gonna follow 358 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 1: these people everywhere, And what is going to happen when 359 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,679 Speaker 1: they show up and they go to this this area 360 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: that they're talking about and they come back with a 361 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: big fat goosec You know, they've really stuck their neck 362 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: out here. And I think that it is curious that 363 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 1: timing is very, very curious that they throw the brakes 364 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 1: on here right at the last minute. They have already 365 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: like shown their cards, I mean, the very more few, 366 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: and its defensive seeing all the discovery, and now they 367 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: file this motion with pretty much the location of where 368 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 1: they think Suzanne is, but they're showing their cards. Let 369 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: me add a psychological factor in here. What if Barry 370 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: gets paranoid and now that he doesn't have any tracking 371 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 1: to find the body, and yeah, he might decide to 372 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 1: move the body if he thinks they know where it's 373 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: at and it may not be at the where they think, 374 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 1: but he knows where it is. If he does, you know, 375 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 1: if he's involved in it, he knows where he goes 376 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: to the body and if they track him. I mean, 377 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: you know, I look at his past behavior. He's been 378 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: very I guess indecisive and paranoid, and rightfully so. But 379 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: now he doesn't have any tracking devices. If he doesn't 380 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: take his cell phone or stuff like that, he's free 381 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: to move about unless you know they track him somehow. 382 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 1: Drones or survey would absolutely think that announcing that they 383 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 1: constably they know where the body is would trigger the 384 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: killer to go try to move the body. I would hope, 385 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: against hope that Morphew is being watched or try right now, 386 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 1: like I think also might just have surveillance video where 387 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: they think the body is. That's a good idea because 388 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: they can never get the picture of Scott Peterson returning 389 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,479 Speaker 1: over and over and over to gaze out at San 390 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: Francisco Bay where he dumped his wife Lacy and their 391 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 1: unborn child, Connor. It's almost instinctive to go back and 392 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:27,120 Speaker 1: back and back to the scene of a crime. Let 393 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,640 Speaker 1: me go back to you, Joe, Scott Morgan. I'm very 394 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: curious about what you said because you're worried about the 395 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: state quote sticking its neck out. I'm sorry. Did you 396 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: get your law degree when I wasn't looking? Oh no, no, 397 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: But I've seen I've seen. I've seen enough lawyers train 398 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: wreck cases, and it's just a curious thing. Okay, because 399 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: don't you agree that it's the state's duty to seek 400 00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: the truth above all else. If they think they know 401 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: where the body is, isn't it their obligation, their duty 402 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: to try to find the body? And if they're wrong, 403 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: they're wrong. I don't know that I would call that 404 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,719 Speaker 1: a goose egg as you described it. I've thought a 405 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: lot of things during trials and have been proven wrong 406 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: by the evidence, thank goodness, before I gave my opening statement. 407 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: But it's their duty to look where they believe her 408 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 1: body is. And why in the world, counselor Joe Scott Morgan, 409 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,439 Speaker 1: would you go to trial without a body if you 410 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: could get the body with the snow melts, But why 411 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 1: in the world would you have this epithanal moment. I 412 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe it's a question and that it is 413 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: not within your realm. You don't need to understand it, 414 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 1: and I don't need to understand it. But unless the 415 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:56,120 Speaker 1: district attorney is lying through their teeth, then I believe them. 416 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: I mean, do you have a reason to disbelieve the 417 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: elected district attorney just got Do you know something we 418 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: don't know? No? I don't, but I think that I 419 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: have the opportunity to ask that question. I think any 420 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,120 Speaker 1: right person, thinking person would ask that question, why, at 421 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: this last moment are you going to do this? Why? 422 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, let's go to the source. Laurence Sharf. 423 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 1: What could possibly be the reason for them now stating 424 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: they think they know where the body is unless they've 425 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 1: gotten some types of evidence regarding that, we don't know 426 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 1: when they got this evidence that to lead them to 427 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: this specific location. And they could have gotten that after 428 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: they had pressed the charges, after the preliminary hearing, which 429 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: would have like led them during the winter time that 430 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,119 Speaker 1: they couldn't have searched, and they're just now waiting for 431 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: the weather to get better for to excavate that area. Okay, 432 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,880 Speaker 1: Jesscott Morgan, let me entertain your theory. How about this 433 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: about they got an idea before the body was but 434 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: they thought they could excavate before trial. Now they see 435 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: they can't, So they've got to lay all their cards 436 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: on the table and say, hey, we think we know 437 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 1: where the body is. Okay, you're just not happy with 438 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: an innocent explanation. You want something more nefarious. No, no, 439 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 1: you know, but we're talking about we're talking about snow 440 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: melts and all these sorts of things. I'm not a 441 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: weatherman either, just like I'm not. I'm sure that won't 442 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: stop you from giving your Kenyon No, but it you know, 443 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 1: I have to ask this question, Nancy, why why at 444 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,679 Speaker 1: this moment, Tom and I think that it's something that 445 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: needs to be understood. And I gotta tell you. You know, 446 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: back at you, you mentioned the term you throughout the 447 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: term elected DA. Okay, well, their neck is on the 448 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: line here, aren't they gonna look silly if this turns 449 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: out its big who looks silly? If you can motivation? 450 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: Oh you know what, you want there to be an 451 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: affairious explanation for what they've done. I'm not buying into 452 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 1: that time stories with Nancy Grace. For those that you 453 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: just joining us, take a listen to our friends at 454 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: Fox thirty one. The move to dismiss an extremely rare 455 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: move by a DA, but may have been necessary. When 456 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: you have the judge strike twelve of your expert witnesses 457 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: on things that are critical of proving your case, you 458 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: really don't have a reasonable likelihood of success a trial anymore. 459 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: Some attorneys described the move as a do over due 460 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: to lack of evidence and witnesses. As a defense, I'm 461 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: very frustrated that this appears to be an effort by 462 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: the district attorney to retool you start and get away 463 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 1: from significant pre trial rules. A case full of twists 464 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: and turns took another today that no one expected, and 465 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: that twist and turn regarding the judge dropping the case 466 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: against Barrymorephew, includes police claiming they believe they have located 467 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: missing wife Susan Morphew's body. So, now, Joe Scott Morgan, 468 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: I guess your conspiracy theory that there is a nefarious 469 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: or evil, surreptitious, sneaky reason for dismissing the charges, I 470 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: guess you'd have to accept that the cops are in 471 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: on it too. Wow, maybe oj didn't do it. Maybe 472 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: the cops did it. Were you one of those people, 473 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,959 Speaker 1: because it sounds like you may be. Is that man 474 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: Gino jumping in go ahead? Yeah, this is this is 475 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: Matt Gino. And I think that Joseph raise's a legitimate issue. 476 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know that he's saying that there's 477 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: a nefarious reason for it, but we have to look 478 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: at the track record of the prosecutor in this case. 479 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: I mean, the court you know, dismissed twelve or fourteen 480 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: expert witnesses and said that their behavior during this, you know, 481 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: found a pattern of recklessness. You know what's interesting about 482 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: you and Joe Scott. You know what's interesting about the 483 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: two of you. Both of you seem to be focusing 484 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: on a witch hunt of the prosecution. Both of you. 485 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: All you can say is the prosecution did this wrong, 486 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: the prosecution did that wrong? What the hell about the 487 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 1: dead body? Can we focus on that for a minute. 488 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:40,479 Speaker 1: That's why I'm here. I'm here right now because I 489 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: want justice for Susanne Morphy wherever that may lead me. 490 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 1: Does it lead me to be more few? Maybe? Maybe not, 491 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 1: But I can tell you this much, I'm more worried 492 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: about her body being under six feet of snow right 493 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: now than I am about you and Joe Scott Morgan 494 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: doing the tango over what the prosecution may have done wrong? 495 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: All right, So can't we focus on finding her body 496 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: instead of you guys throwing stones at the prosecution If 497 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: they've done something wrong, okay they did, I'm not here 498 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: to exonerate them. I'm here to find justice for Susanne 499 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 1: more for you. So, if anybody on this pamily it 500 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: has anything to add about that feel free to jump 501 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 1: in in the meantime, Nancy, Yes, okay. I spook with 502 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: a couple members of Suzanne's family and they told me 503 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: that they are hopeful that investigators will find Susanne Susanne's 504 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: Susanne's remains and that they want to bring her back 505 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 1: to Indianna and give her a paper burial next to 506 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: her dad. Susanne's sister Melinda told me that she's trusting 507 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: in God's perfect timing that all will be revealed. She says, 508 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: for the past two years she hasn't been bitter or 509 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: resentful because of God, and the family is putting their 510 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: trust in the work, in the investigator's work to you know, 511 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 1: find Susanne. And Melinda also said that she has compassion 512 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: for the for the daughters of Susanne too. I want 513 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: to go back to doctor Jerry Cross and joining us 514 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 1: psychologists and faculty Saint Leo. Little lies bother me, especially 515 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: when they are in conjunction or contemporaneous with a disappearance. 516 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: And I believe murder of mom Susanne Moorephew. The fact 517 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: that barrymore few of all days went away on Mother's 518 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 1: Day when he knew his grown girls who were out 519 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: on a camping trip, and then lied about what time 520 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 1: he left the home, what time he last saw Susanne moorephew, 521 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 1: claiming he had a work job, but then hastily trying 522 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: to put together a work crew as he was driving 523 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: going within a stone's throat that early early morning, around 524 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: three or four o'clock in the morning to where Susanne 525 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: Helmet was found out in a field. I mean, just 526 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 1: the lies, they really stick in my craws. Lies by 527 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 1: the husband contemporaneous with the wife's murdyr No, I reject 528 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: that wasn't he actually seen on some video cameras visiting 529 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 1: different dumpsters. Let's ask Lauren Sharp. Lauren helped me. Yeah, 530 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 1: he said that true. What our friend Jerry Crossen just said. Yeah, 531 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 1: the prosecution had surveillance video and you know, photos of 532 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:49,760 Speaker 1: him going to at least I think five different dumpsters 533 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,720 Speaker 1: when he was going to Broomfield or around the time 534 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 1: he was in Broomfield on Mother's Day, you know, throwing 535 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: away things that some one dumpster. I think they see 536 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 1: him on surveillance video, like pushing the trash that he 537 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 1: had put in, like all the way down past his 538 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,360 Speaker 1: elbows into the trash. How many dumpsters did he visit? 539 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 1: Five at least that's what the record, And when were 540 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 1: they done? Was the dumpster visit? When were the dumpster visits? 541 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 1: As realized to the Times, Suzanne went missing Lawrence Shar 542 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 1: the same day she went was reported missing. You know, 543 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 1: if my husband God plays forbid ever guy's missing, I 544 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 1: would do everything in my power to find him. Take 545 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,280 Speaker 1: a listen to our cut twenty Our friends at Fox 546 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:47,919 Speaker 1: twenty one curious they want to stay anonymous, but say 547 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: they're worried Suzanne's husband, Barry is tampering with the investigation. 548 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,239 Speaker 1: This family member says Barry refused to polygraph tests and 549 00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:00,320 Speaker 1: a critical analysis test. The family member also says data 550 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 1: collected from Barry's truck doesn't match up with the information 551 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 1: he gave investigators. As of Monday night, no clarification was 552 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 1: offered on any of that information by the Chiefee County 553 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: Sheriff's office. Let me understand, then, Laurence Sharf, when they 554 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 1: say the navigation system on his car's GPS did not 555 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 1: match up with his story, what exactly does that mean? 556 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 1: Like his truck telematics, So you know, when you do things, 557 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,240 Speaker 1: you even if you like, break or open the door, 558 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:39,400 Speaker 1: close the door. There's data that's you know, reported and 559 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 1: what that data so did not line up with what 560 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 1: he had told investigators to me, that is damning. Also, 561 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,759 Speaker 1: we were speaking of this earlier. Take a listen to 562 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:58,279 Speaker 1: our cut thirty one on our friend Doctor Phils. We 563 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 1: were forts that are enough to have searched all its 564 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,840 Speaker 1: in from Missouri and another set from New Mexico yesterday 565 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,400 Speaker 1: and we made a little discovery. The dogs hit in 566 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 1: a particular area, which we turned over to the FBI. 567 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,319 Speaker 1: Now there's two areas of interest, and I've got a 568 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,399 Speaker 1: third one on the way tomorrow. So they actually hit 569 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:21,400 Speaker 1: on something. So tell me about these dogs. Two of 570 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 1: them were small Australian shepherds. I believe they were black 571 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,399 Speaker 1: and white. And when they go in and they see 572 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:32,440 Speaker 1: something suspect or smell something suspect, they'll taste the grass 573 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 1: and they'll circle the item many times and then they'll 574 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 1: finally set down on it. And the German shepherds behave 575 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 1: almost the same way, only they get extremely excited. Their 576 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 1: faces will wrinkle up, their ears will come forward to 577 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,400 Speaker 1: catch sent. They'll also kind of scratch on the site. 578 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 1: They'll dig I hate to ask this, but are these 579 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 1: sent and hunting dogs? Are these cadaver dogs? What type 580 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 1: of training to these dogs have? A couldaver? I believe 581 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 1: a dog of a barrymore few any day of the week. 582 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 1: But that's not all. Take a listen to our cut 583 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 1: thirty seven. Our friend doctor Phil the EEDI information would 584 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 1: instructed in the lineup. So he said he's all or 585 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 1: if five am, and he did not. And how do 586 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,840 Speaker 1: you know that testimony from an employee that he was 587 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,480 Speaker 1: rambling down the road texting people at four in the morning, 588 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,920 Speaker 1: trying to get them together to Broomfield and so can 589 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,200 Speaker 1: be at home at five and talking to somebody on 590 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 1: the road at four, right, That is so that the 591 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,439 Speaker 1: timeline doesn't add up at all, not at all. You've 592 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 1: got two nieces, Mallory who's now twenty two and Macy 593 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 1: who's sixteen. Would she go off writing by herself or 594 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,360 Speaker 1: would she be in contact with them? Would she go 595 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:51,880 Speaker 1: off the radar for seven days and have no social 596 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:56,719 Speaker 1: media presence, no presence electronically for that period of time 597 00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:01,480 Speaker 1: with her daughters now? Absolutely not? And more from Suzanne 598 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 1: morpheused own blood brother Andy Mormon on KTVR tv R 599 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:11,520 Speaker 1: cut forty two. I think she was abducted Saturday, not Sunday. 600 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,319 Speaker 1: I don't think she ever got on her bicycle. If 601 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:17,360 Speaker 1: you want the truth of the matter, I expect that 602 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:23,520 Speaker 1: she was killed and hidden somewhere in the mountains. And 603 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 1: her husband's not involved in this search. Have you talked 604 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,560 Speaker 1: to him? What's the relationship there? I have not talked 605 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 1: to him. He was invited into the search by Profiling 606 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 1: Evil and he did not respond. We ran into him 607 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 1: yesterday and he was out hanging trail cams with a 608 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,080 Speaker 1: shotgun on his shoulder and just kind of told us, 609 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 1: you know, hey, you're about to step on private property. 610 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:50,080 Speaker 1: So we turned around and went back. We did uncover 611 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 1: some things on that mountaintop close to the home yesterday 612 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 1: that are being processed by CBI and the Sheriff's department, 613 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,919 Speaker 1: and we hope to find more today. Do you think 614 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,399 Speaker 1: anyone would want to hurt Suzanne? No, I really don't. 615 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,320 Speaker 1: I'm afraid this is domestic abuse. To be honest with you, 616 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:16,359 Speaker 1: the road to the truth is very rarely easy. We wait, 617 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,680 Speaker 1: it's just as sun falls. Nancy Grace Crumb story signing 618 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,120 Speaker 1: off goodbye friend